Why are manhole covers round? - Marc Chamberland

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  • Опубліковано 12 кві 2015
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    Why are most manhole covers round? Sure it makes them easy to roll, and slide into place in any alignment. But there’s another, more compelling reason, involving a peculiar geometric property of circles and other shapes. Marc Chamberland explains curves of constant width and Barbier’s theorem.
    Lesson by Marc Chamberland, animation by Pew36 Animation Studios.

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  • @MattsMotorz
    @MattsMotorz 7 років тому +318

    The reuleaux triangle is used in rotary engines, it spins in the same way as shown in the video. Very cool!

    • @obviouslydead6971
      @obviouslydead6971 7 років тому

      No, rotors in rotary engines from a figure eight path.

    • @JD-ub5ic
      @JD-ub5ic 7 років тому +7

      Look at the graphic here
      en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wankel_engine
      then note that it is referred to as an epitrochoid.
      Now look at a definition for an epitrochoid here
      en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epitrochoid
      Note that an epitrochoid is formed by rolling a circle around another cirlce (two curves of constant width) forming another shape having a curve of constant width. See 1:48
      So after a tiny bit of research on wikipedia and using this video it can be shown that wankel rotors are in fact, curves of constant width (or reuleaux shapes).
      Also Im not sure what you mean about a figure eight path, look at the graphic on the wankel engine wiki page, it obviously rotates about a circular path.

    • @juanmanuelpenaloza9264
      @juanmanuelpenaloza9264 3 роки тому

      The Magic Doritos

  • @BoogsterSU2
    @BoogsterSU2 9 років тому +1100

    Petition to make Rulo Triangle manhole covers.

    • @nmmeswey3584
      @nmmeswey3584 9 років тому +15

      Boogster Su Where do I sign to put this in my city?

    • @Haguatchi
      @Haguatchi 9 років тому +3

      *roleaux, named after the french guy who thought of them i think lol

    • @jaydeeh77
      @jaydeeh77 9 років тому +3

      I would sign that petition!

    • @DragonOriginWar
      @DragonOriginWar 9 років тому +3

      Haguatchi Franz Reuleaux was a German engineer during the 19th century

    • @thepip3599
      @thepip3599 8 років тому +1

      Rulo isn't how it's spelt at all. It has an "x" at the end. (it's French.) it has a lot of other differences too.

  • @sonicpsycho13
    @sonicpsycho13 9 років тому +137

    Also, because when you make a hole sharp corners are weak points, areas or extremely high stress concentrations. While a circular hole is still a stress concentration, it's the lowest of any geometric shape.

    • @skyfly200
      @skyfly200 8 років тому +3

      +Shivanand Pattanshetti actually, if material a function of perimeter it would be equal. It would take removing less material though.

  • @JaySee5
    @JaySee5 9 років тому +152

    A Reuleaux triangle also is the heart of a rotary engine.

    • @noahakers6718
      @noahakers6718 9 років тому +6

      JaySee5 I thought I was the only one thinking that!

    • @TaroutCommodore
      @TaroutCommodore 9 років тому +4

      JaySee5 that's the Only thing I was thinking

    • @jhaabhishek
      @jhaabhishek 9 років тому +5

      ***** yes, compulsive wanking goes on to propel the car =)

    • @gayMath
      @gayMath 6 років тому +2

      only on the internet...

    • @b0bsaget007
      @b0bsaget007 6 років тому +2

      JaySee5 *I'MMA TELL YOU HOW A ROTARY ENGINE WORKS*

  • @tommythai1043
    @tommythai1043 8 років тому +43

    2:25
    Partially true. We can indeed make surfaces of constant widths in 3 dimensions but the reuleaux tetrahedron is not one of them. The reuleaux tetrahedron is slightly wider edge to edge than corner to face. Rounding off 3 edges or 3 corners of a reuleaux tetrahedron will however, give you a surface of constant width - this specific occurrence is known as a meissner tetrahedron.

    • @TheAvgCommentator
      @TheAvgCommentator 7 років тому +8

      ed.ted.com/lessons/why-are-manhole-covers-round-marc-chamberland under Dig Deeper. You're right and they know it.

    • @NeonV01D
      @NeonV01D 6 років тому +2

      Or you could get it by turning a Reuleaux triangle around one of it’s lines of symmetry and the space that it passes through will be a surface of constant width

  • @shivaanumahendrarajan5668
    @shivaanumahendrarajan5668 7 років тому +479

    So pretty much, the answer is:
    So the manhole cover doesn't fall in

    • @Tjita1
      @Tjita1 7 років тому +4

      Correct.

    • @churrocharcharm
      @churrocharcharm 7 років тому +16

      But... the reason it doesnt fall in isnt cause its a circle. it's cause there is a smaller circular suport under it :L Just like metal storm drains and such. A manhole could easily be another shape

    • @Tjita1
      @Tjita1 7 років тому +5

      Yes, but it wouldn't be much point in making a square man hole cover with a circular support in it, now would it?

    • @churrocharcharm
      @churrocharcharm 7 років тому +4

      Tjita1 Oh. I dont know... maybe you could...
      MAKE A SQUARE SUPPORT UNDER IT

    • @Tjita1
      @Tjita1 7 років тому +5

      Charlie The Cartoonist But if you want to stop the cover from falling into the hole the support has to be smaller than the shortest straight edge of the hole, which as it happens for a square is a circle just smaller than the side of the square.

  • @Owiko7
    @Owiko7 8 років тому +640

    All this to find out that square manholes covers would fall in...

    • @HiVizCamo
      @HiVizCamo 8 років тому +18

      We actually knew that going in didn't we, plus now we're smarter. Did not know about these other shapes, aside from the Wankel rotary engine, which ironically is a very dumb idea.

    • @Owiko7
      @Owiko7 8 років тому +12

      bfjb70 I was expecting some special reason.

    • @JonatasAdoM
      @JonatasAdoM 8 років тому +2

      +Owiko7 Same

    • @englishgrammar3298
      @englishgrammar3298 6 років тому +2

      In the United kingdom, all the manhole covers, big or small, new or old, are square shaped. In the UK they are all square, without exception. Never, ever, round, always square, billions of them! MANHOLE COVERS IN THE UK ARE SQUARE, NEVER ROUND! So, doesn't that disprove your point, you silly Yanks?

    • @panobato5984
      @panobato5984 6 років тому +5

      +English Grammar what exactly is the point that you disproved?

  • @xden
    @xden 7 років тому +14

    why does this channel consistently teach me things that I didn't know that I wanted to learn. ITS SO GOOD

  • @Sehemo108
    @Sehemo108 9 років тому +11

    Very good example of such an interesting topic. I really hope TED continues to do all sorts of educational videos.

  • @chromosoze
    @chromosoze 5 років тому +56

    Short answer: So the cover wouldn't fall in
    Long answer: Because if you rotate a circle the distance between the bottom edge and the top edge will stay the same distance apart and they could act like a wheel.

  • @DmitryKiktenko
    @DmitryKiktenko 3 роки тому +3

    What an awesome cartoon story was made for this lesson! I love cartoonist's humour in this one so much! Wise and intelligent caveman teaches geometry, riding a board, and that funny fall down into square hole. Great job!

  • @youngshinyun5517
    @youngshinyun5517 3 роки тому

    Eureka...I have already known that other shape of manhole cover, such as triangle, square, and etc, could fall in, but the concept of curve of constant width.... is something new to me... Thank Ted-Ed...you are my great teacher...

  • @user-kv5uk3bt1k
    @user-kv5uk3bt1k 3 роки тому +1

    Спасибо. Как всё просто, когда объясняют кратко и только суть. Удачи вам.

  • @friebender
    @friebender 9 років тому +2

    I love those kind of topics. Thanks Ted-Ed :)

  • @HansenSWE
    @HansenSWE 9 років тому +35

    I paused an episode of my favorite show to watch this, because... manhole covers! Why _are_ they round?

  • @kslader8
    @kslader8 9 років тому

    Great video! I love the theorem behind Reuleaux polygons.

  • @peterstiles1
    @peterstiles1 9 років тому

    Great video, learned way more from this than I'd expected to. Thanks.

  • @werewolf_13
    @werewolf_13 7 років тому

    Really loved the ideas shared in the video👍

  • @hannahpeterson7236
    @hannahpeterson7236 5 років тому

    I'm doing this as my science fair and it helped me sooooooooooooooooooooooooooo much thank you for this amazing video.

  • @shimi_ek
    @shimi_ek 8 років тому +147

    Someone said that it would be easier to just say "so they can't fall through the hole."
    - showing us exactly how the science IS taught at schools instead of how it SHOULD be taught.

    • @crimmus
      @crimmus 4 роки тому +12

      I can’t tell- are you saying TedEd is wrong for being roundabout in their answer or the person is wrong for just wanting the answer and not wanting to learn.

    • @nation5743
      @nation5743 4 роки тому +2

      Maybe this guy was not taught English effectively?

    • @Xykaru
      @Xykaru 4 роки тому +8

      @@nation5743 He is saying that somebody else suggested the video can be summed up as 'it can't go in the hole". He then went on to suggest that schools simply tell you that it can't go in the hole instead of explaining why.
      It's really not complicated, he made perfect sense.

    • @pyroromancer
      @pyroromancer 4 роки тому +3

      the sky is blue because i said so

    • @crazydissy3893
      @crazydissy3893 3 роки тому +1

      You do know that now you know more than you came for? this is way better, don't keep blaming schools

  • @TheDrB0B
    @TheDrB0B 9 років тому +38

    Is it just me or did 2:56 look extremely violent?

  • @sexywildlad
    @sexywildlad 8 років тому +186

    Hmmm... looks familiar

  • @jaydeeh77
    @jaydeeh77 9 років тому

    Now I hope they change all the manhole covers into those other shapes! :-)
    That was great!

  • @klauskuchengabel6394
    @klauskuchengabel6394 3 роки тому

    I love topics like this.

  • @evank3718
    @evank3718 3 роки тому

    This is such fluid animation

  • @deadasfak
    @deadasfak 9 років тому

    I was putting this episode off until I had nothing interesting to watch. This video was far more informative than the title suggested. It's like anti clickbait. Thanks for the surprise.

  • @isabelhuang_1
    @isabelhuang_1 5 років тому +2

    The video explained in depth WHY a shape like a circle wouldn’t fall on, then showed you the practical application
    And they say maths is useless

  • @brianspruill5424
    @brianspruill5424 8 років тому +5

    A manhole is made of two parts. The manhole cover and the frame it sits in. The frame has an inner lip which the cover or lid sits in. The actual diameter of the lid and the concrete tubes which are stacked on top of each other may be the same diameter but the lid itself will never fall through the frame.

    • @timothymantor7332
      @timothymantor7332 Рік тому +2

      Exactly. The hole isn't just one diameter and its never a friction fit like is show in the video. The counter bore of the hole, or the "lip" so to speak would allow any shape to work. The whole argument for it needing to be constant width completely ignores the real world application of manhole covers.

    • @ttmfndng201
      @ttmfndng201 Рік тому +1

      @@timothymantor7332 If you don't want the lip to have to be huge though, the shape needs to be of constant or near constant width. If you had a square manhole cover, for example, it could fall through the diagonal unless the lip is huge (at least (sqrt(2)-1)/2 ≈ 0.2 times the side of the cover. So if it was 1m wide, you would need a 20cm lip on each side )

  • @catandcomparator
    @catandcomparator 3 роки тому

    Love the animation.

  • @777jonah888
    @777jonah888 6 років тому

    this is an interview question: Production costs would be my answer.
    consider we need a hole 2 feet in diameter:
    a square would be 4 sq/ft: 2 w x 2 L = 4
    now a circle's area is pi r squared :
    if diameter is 2 feet, then radius is 1/2 = 1 foot
    pi(rounded) 3 x (radius) 1= 3 sq/feet
    so you save 1 foot of production, distribution and labour
    plus, the squares have a hinge which raises production costs.
    Is the math above correct?

  • @sivasparch
    @sivasparch 7 років тому +1

    thanks for this video!

  • @ASLTheatre
    @ASLTheatre 7 років тому +1

    1) I like the animation. Well done and a good way to break the norm.
    2) what if we had a Rulo-triangle wheel? How would that work out? Better or worse then our current tires? Would it save on materials needed to make the tire/wheel?

  • @IstasPumaNevada
    @IstasPumaNevada 9 років тому +1

    I knew the answer to the original question, but the rest of the video was way more interesting than the answer. Cool.

  • @Gaudentic
    @Gaudentic 9 років тому +1

    I dont allways comment on a youtube video, but when I do, I do it because I am quite impressed.
    cheers-.

  • @Lerkero
    @Lerkero 9 років тому

    Learn something new every day

    • @jaypee9575
      @jaypee9575 8 років тому +1

      Don't tell me what to do!

  • @hemantdhaked1903
    @hemantdhaked1903 8 років тому

    thanks,you cleared my doubt.

  • @Noah-kd6lq
    @Noah-kd6lq 4 роки тому +1

    Would an equilateral triangle fall in though? With other polygons you can fit an edge between two opposite vertices, but an equilateral triangle's edges are the lines between opposite vertices.

    • @ttmfndng201
      @ttmfndng201 Рік тому

      With an equilateral triangle you can fit its height inside a base

  • @sameerahamed4420
    @sameerahamed4420 8 років тому +38

    Rotary engine

  • @AntonyCannon
    @AntonyCannon 8 років тому

    This is fascinating. Is there an advantage of a Rulo triangle over a circle in this case?

    • @roxyvaseline
      @roxyvaseline 8 років тому +4

      +Antony C Less area which means less material needed to create one

    • @tellercamille8080
      @tellercamille8080 8 років тому +1

      +roxyvaseline Very, very true. But it would require trial and error since they have to get the size exactly right

  • @boballende
    @boballende 9 років тому

    Excellent!

  • @AdarshMadrecha
    @AdarshMadrecha 7 років тому

    nice explanation

  • @ghosttwo2
    @ghosttwo2 9 років тому +1

    "Ruleaux tetrahedra" are NOT solids of equal width. There's a bit on the corner edges that over laps. The actual analogue that does work is bounded by a fifth, much smaller sphere in the middle. Another one looks kinda like an 'egg bullet'.

  • @kristianwilliams441
    @kristianwilliams441 7 років тому

    Oh hey, Numberphile did a video on surfaces of constant width!

  • @SEVlLLE
    @SEVlLLE 9 років тому +6

    Well that ending was rather dark.

  • @Delicious_J
    @Delicious_J 4 роки тому +2

    Legend has it that the caveman is still down there.

  • @MrKangdon
    @MrKangdon 8 років тому +1

    I think the Reuleaux tetrahedron is *not* a constant width surface.

  • @poshiey1734
    @poshiey1734 7 років тому

    I love this speaker

  • @VexylObby
    @VexylObby 9 років тому +1

    So turtle shells can fit through them?

  • @ricefox2555
    @ricefox2555 6 років тому

    The thing about curves of constant width is that the length isn't constant exept circles that's why manhole covers are circles and not some other shape that has the property "curve of constant width"

  • @geekman2000
    @geekman2000 7 років тому +1

    We should make Reuleaux triangle manholes. #ReuleauxManhole

  • @DesireeTucker
    @DesireeTucker 8 років тому

    Everyone seems to over look this important detail. The circles can fall through there holes, which is why it sits on a ledge, so ultimately it they chose a circle to sit on ledge then a square because they would need bigger ledges for it to rest on and not fall in. So to sum it up, the answer as to why man hole covers are round is because it's more convenient for everybody.

  • @AMTrane
    @AMTrane 8 років тому

    That's a fine reason.

  • @starrmayhem
    @starrmayhem 5 років тому

    reuleaux tetrahedron is Not a surface of constant width, go search it
    that title belongs to meissner tetrahedra which is modified from reuleaux tetrahedron

  • @Bobo-1
    @Bobo-1 3 роки тому

    The rulo triangle is a guitar pick

  • @marcusfilangi
    @marcusfilangi 9 років тому +1

    Is it just me or was anyone else thinking about rx-7s after they brought up the reuleaux triangle?

  • @headrockbeats
    @headrockbeats 7 років тому +1

    Why, it's a Toblerone-Rolo combo!!
    (read in heavy Geordie accent)

  • @Msstrawcherryblack
    @Msstrawcherryblack 9 років тому

    Only at the very end did the video tell you why manhole covers are not square. Manly talked about Rulo Triangles not manhole covers! It was interesting though!

  • @MoneyD
    @MoneyD 4 роки тому

    Hey what about circular rectangle

  • @LizardWizard444
    @LizardWizard444 8 років тому

    does anyone else wonder about the idea of useing the rulo tetrehedrea as surfing power. Cause I realy want to do that.

  • @MittalMakwana
    @MittalMakwana 8 років тому

    for a reuleaux polygon the shape must have odd number of vertices and since circle is a reuleaux polygon with infinite vertices dose this means circle has odd number of vertices i.e. Dose this mean infinity is an odd number??

    • @zchelmerjoashgamboa7366
      @zchelmerjoashgamboa7366 7 років тому

      wowzer

    • @jinmo-ri7886
      @jinmo-ri7886 7 років тому

      As you can see with the polygons, as the number of sides increases, the length of these sides decreases until such an extent that these sides are too small to be seen and from a distance, the polygon with very many sides looks like a perfect circle.
      It's not that infinity is odd, its just that there is relatively not much of a difference between a polygon having N sides (N being a very large number) and a polygon with (N+1) sides. Surely, one of these shapes have an odd number of sides. But because of the very small lengths of the sides, there is but, an infinitesimal* difference. The difference is so small, it almost doesn't matter anymore.
      The beauty of the circle seen here is that the number of its sides is too large and therefore described as infinity but we cannot even imagine the exact number and this can be thought of as either even or odd.
      ____________________________________________________________________________
      infintesimal is the opposite of infinite : it is used to describe very small numbers (ex: 0.00000...more zeroes...000001 is an infinitesimal number)

  • @yousufazad6914
    @yousufazad6914 7 років тому

    *Question* : what about *Equilateral triangle* ? They shouldn't fall in, should they? if so, how?

    • @tylermercer9187
      @tylermercer9187 7 років тому +1

      Yousuf Azad Sami They don't. But good luck rolling it!

    • @ttmfndng201
      @ttmfndng201 Рік тому

      The height of the triangle can fall in through a base

  • @DPowered2
    @DPowered2 8 років тому

    to put it more simply a circle wont fall down its own hole

  • @helicoptergary3632
    @helicoptergary3632 4 роки тому

    HAHAHAHA the cave man falling through the square killed me

  • @raiyanamin8914
    @raiyanamin8914 3 роки тому +1

    Uhm...So I'm kinda worried about the guy at 3:11, couldn't TEDEd have gotten him out or something...

  • @heyitzrane3025
    @heyitzrane3025 6 років тому +1

    Reuleaux any-shape-with-odd-number-of-sides manhole cover? Ok! (Reuleaux shape are ROUND as well, but not spherical)

  • @jayx7980
    @jayx7980 2 роки тому

    One of interview questions

  • @sirpublius1942
    @sirpublius1942 8 років тому +2

    The rotary motor....

  • @MrNobodyX3
    @MrNobodyX3 8 років тому

    I tried doing this with a square... just keep getting a circle

  • @wahhmann123
    @wahhmann123 9 років тому

    cool!

  • @colleen9493
    @colleen9493 5 років тому

    Why does the rulo triangle work? I’m very confused.

  • @juanpablosalazar4336
    @juanpablosalazar4336 3 роки тому

    Ok, I think I just made a Roleau square with my compass, how is this posible?

  • @leizeldamo9624
    @leizeldamo9624 5 років тому

    the when the orange suit man falls in the manhole there will be a sound and that is so funny

  • @linhhoang1363
    @linhhoang1363 3 роки тому +2

    3:12 have anyone come across a Reuleaux triangle manhole yet? Say hi to that poor caveman :-)

  • @AnytimeMinutes
    @AnytimeMinutes 9 років тому

    Don't these shapes also distribute pressure evenly from cars passing over?

  • @pizzapm
    @pizzapm 8 років тому

    im confused about the reasoning at 3:02 because squares are like the only shape that can fall through the hole they make. equilateral triangles cant, right pentagons cant, right hexagons cant, right heptagons cant and the list goes on...

    • @ttmfndng201
      @ttmfndng201 Рік тому

      Those shapes all can. the height of equilateral triangles can fall through the base, and with any "right" shape a shorter diagonal can fall through a longer one.
      If a shape isn't of constant width, that means at some points it will have more width and at others less width, and so the parts with less width can fall through the ones with more width

  • @ThaKodiakkiller
    @ThaKodiakkiller 8 років тому

    you can put on a circular manhole at any angle, so yeah

  • @jakeokeefe7546
    @jakeokeefe7546 8 років тому

    My town has square man hole covers for some reason…

  • @bottomtext5872
    @bottomtext5872 3 роки тому

    They used the triangles for good engines

  • @nallisanketh
    @nallisanketh 6 років тому

    wow!

  • @johngammon6450
    @johngammon6450 Рік тому

    Moral of the story: Cavemen are still alive and are just trapped in reuleux triangle manholes across the world.

  • @juanmanuelpenaloza9264
    @juanmanuelpenaloza9264 3 роки тому

    Car Guys: THE MAGIC DORITOOOO!!

  • @lilavahgt6486
    @lilavahgt6486 8 років тому

    There was a space between our beds and when I was 5-? years old , I called it a manhole.

  • @zach2070
    @zach2070 8 років тому +3

    lol gotta love the caveman animation!

  • @josephm.6453
    @josephm.6453 9 років тому

    I was wondering why some watches are shaped like this.

  • @cacksacker6937
    @cacksacker6937 7 років тому

    we have square man holes here in our subdivision.

  • @coltenhunter2000
    @coltenhunter2000 8 років тому

    More like these

  • @linhhoang1363
    @linhhoang1363 3 роки тому +1

    Here in Vietnam we always have squared concrete manholes. Guess bc of the expense reason

  • @paulfoss5385
    @paulfoss5385 7 років тому

    But the Reuleaux tetrahedron doesn't have constant width. You're thinking of the Meissner tetrahedron.

  • @brockm7256
    @brockm7256 9 років тому

    ...how in the hell did TED Ed make shapes so interesting?

  • @TickedOffPriest
    @TickedOffPriest 9 років тому

    CGI Ted Ed.
    What is next?

    • @gordontaylor2815
      @gordontaylor2815 9 років тому

      The CGI style looks familiar, reminds me of "The Croods" movie. Same animators?

  • @r.anthony8685
    @r.anthony8685 8 років тому

    1:20 - o.O (Amaterasu! - R.I.P. Itachi)

  • @anthonyjohnjr
    @anthonyjohnjr 9 років тому

    I gasped when the caveman fell in the whole. Really surprised me with that one

    • @metalmech583
      @metalmech583 9 років тому

      And you call yourself a teufel...

    • @forcelifeforce
      @forcelifeforce 8 років тому

      +Anthony Nichols -- You mean he fell in a hole.

  • @ieuanhunt552
    @ieuanhunt552 8 років тому +1

    I prefer to call it a plectrum

  • @kuasocto3528
    @kuasocto3528 6 років тому

    Yhh, the animation...

  • @kevinoduor9841
    @kevinoduor9841 5 років тому

    2:24 he invents rulotetrahedron and just walks away!!!

  • @kdot4068
    @kdot4068 4 роки тому

    Now we know how Tri-beams make square holes.

  • @rishavg9524
    @rishavg9524 7 років тому

    Google interviews asked this question.

  • @JixieDye
    @JixieDye 7 років тому +2

    but in England we have square and rectangular ones.....

    • @EloNaj
      @EloNaj 7 років тому

      In Germany we have them too

    • @churrocharcharm
      @churrocharcharm 7 років тому +1

      Well, this video is very incorrect xD

  • @koushijee3844
    @koushijee3844 4 роки тому +1

    why the hands are so big

  • @ekananda9591
    @ekananda9591 6 років тому

    Now I wonder the math of mastermorphix