Was Bendu Correct About the Force Destroying the Jedi?
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The Non-Canon Expert explains why the Bendu was correct in concluding that it was the will of the Force that the Jedi, and all their kind, perish as seen within the season 3 finale of Star Wars: Rebels.
Hey everyone! In today’s video I referenced the Canon containing examples that demonstrate an emerging concept that “balance” or the “totality” of the Force is its true nature, rather than a focus on just the light or just the dark. Because I’ve discussed these examples in previous videos, I did not go over them in fine detail in order to keep the video shorter and on topic. But if you would like to see an in-depth discussion of these examples, please take a look at the following videos:
Why Luke Skywalker Must End the Jedi Order: ua-cam.com/video/wabUYtC4y74/v-deo.html
BALANCE: Luke’s Dark Side Evolution by the Disciples of the Whills: ua-cam.com/video/Ob8bQ7CT1Yw/v-deo.html
Thank you as always for your support everyone, I hope that you enjoy the video!
Star Wars Reading Club, the Force works in mysterious ways.
Star Wars Reading Club Kind of believe this because in both canons the original order were jerks
in canon a clone ages twice as fast as a normal person
Star Wars Reading Club - Do you think that this renewed focus on balance (which I'm truly loving) was hinted at in the fates of The Father, The Daughter and The Son? The Daughter and The Son both brought about their own downfalls by dogmatically plowing ahead; seeking to destroy the 'imbalance' of the others existance/ dominate through the dagger (i.e. force), ultimately weakening, corrupting and killing The Father... just a thought but I'd love to hear your take on whether this previous exploration of balance is still relevant.
This video brings a whole new level of meaning to Anakin's statement in Revenge of the Sith of "From my point of view, the jedi are evil!"
I think this makes perfectly sense. The Jedi do NOT represent the Force or "its will". They focus too much on its Aspect, which they call "the light side". The Force, like every force of nature is beyond good and Evil. Every attempt to manipulate it, even in favor of the "light side" results in horrible consequences.
DEMIAN Zarnoski There’s a group of grey jedi who follow that ideal
kazemizu
No, Grey Jedi just means Jedi who do not follow the will of the council, regardless of force allegiance.
@@stellaraevum799 look into 7 grey force orders
kazemizu
Grey force order =/= Grey Jedi. That is a false equivalency.
@@stellaraevum799 Exactly that's what I've been explaining to lots of people about grey jedi
I feel like to be true “peace keepers” you would have to learn both the dark and the light.
Hmm, i wonder how many characters so far that master both light side and dark side of the force ? So far i only knew Revan.
@@muhammadalifto8076 and Yoda... 'cause force lighting
Rather than understanding conflict they avoided it or downright ignored it until it became too much when it attacked them.
And that’s why Revan is the best star wars character ever.
@@gonhunter3994 idk about force lighting but count duku always felt he was train or has vast knowledge and can use the dark side
"I am Anakin Skywalker, I speak for the Force.
The Force says 'murder children.'"
This comment needs way more likes!!
no, he was ordered by palpatine to kill every jedi, he was way too consumed with all that noise
I was eating when I read this and started choking from laughing.😂😂
I speak for the trees. Lol
@@thegr8rambino
Palpatine: "I AM the Force!"
My interpretation of the chosen one prophesy is that both the jedi and sith represented imbalances in the force that had grown too powerful, and the force spawned an avatar of destruction in Anakin.
First he destroyed the jedi, then the sith, leaving only luke who was balanced between light and dark at the time of vaders death.
So when Han Solo’s kid (Legends) turn into a Sith. Was that not supposed to happened?
Playboi Mario Ben is a product of the force as well as a sky walker he was suppose to become a sith to lead to the what he did in bringing balance to the force like his grandfather
"Force powers aren't inherently good or evil, it's how you use them." ~Kyle Katarn
@@ModernSpartan300 so far a unplanned mistake, 1st we thought he did it for power and betrayal but a comic decided he was possessed by palpatine and went columbine on Luke's academy.
Agreed. That theory somewhat takes away from the arc of redemption, but I would agree. Some consider the light side of the force balance, itself, though and the Dark side being a perversion of the force for selfish use, but because of how the Jedi order tried to confine the force and limit it, it would make sense for the force to betray them in that way, so I like the theory.
I'd like to point out that a key word was dropped from your quotation of Bendu's words and that is "Perhaps." It a little difficult to hear over the maelstrom but it's there. And it changes the Bendu's words from a prophecy to speculation. It is also worth noting that the Bendu also said that he serves the will of the force and Kanan managed to survive the night despite being the one person that the Bendu seemed to want to kill.
I would also argue that the Wills are just as likely to be fallible as the Jedi and the Sith. And I think that should be kept in mind when considering their philosophies.
So I think there is a lot more room for debate as to what the force wants as a whole.
Honestly, for the Bendu, there is no perhaps. What makes sense is this is a manner of speaking. Essentially the jedi, at this point have ended. Most of the leadership were killed.
This, to me, falls into the category of knowing something to be true but suggesting it to be the case to someone who does not know (perhaps giving them something to think about). To be short, had Caleb Dume's master not died he likely does not end up on Lothal, meeting the Lothwolf, his next life. (?) Who guides him to saving his friends and changing the outcome of the war. (Thrawn's Tie Defender likely striking a major blow to the Rebel cause if it had been implemented.)
I think, considering the Bendu's whole manner, this is likely the case.
(And we see how Kanaan's path, sacrifice, effects Ezra.)
If Anikan is the chosen one and he was brought into existence by the Force to balance.. He helped remove most of the remaining Jedi and the last Sith. When Luke attempt to bring back the Jedi all of them were killed. So when Luke states that it is time for the Jedi to end, it is saying they would take the Force out of balance. I agree with you and the Bendu.
Bobby Vee so bassicly all force users that are born, have been born and will be born must find their win path
nahhh...luke is gonna kill all force sensitive beings to bring balance to the force and galaxy...this includes all the babies born each year - you know that old saying " father like son "
i guess what luke was saying the jedi have to end is that this whole light and dark side of the force has to end as the force has no sides it is neither light or dark but in fact it is neutral and it is the hubris of the jedi to create such barriers that would hinder and stop perfect alignment in the force and in once self .
Did this guy really try to link Lucas movies to Disney's garbage? Disney had a clear agenda and it wasn't to tie their excrement to canon, but to kill the Characters and lore of the OT, so they could establish their own , but it backfired. Rian johnson wrote the script to the Last Jedi and that bloated talentless troll, knows nothing or care about Star wars lore. He proved that with his nihilistic plothole riddled movie, that destroyed everything that even Jar Jar Abrams established in the force awakens.
Bobby Vee couldn’t agree more, I did a similar comment to yours and was told that I was downright stupid lol well at least someone agrees😂
this is the reason why kreia wanted to destroy the force as she view it as concious entiny that destroys trilions of lives cause balance and effectively controls universe
is that even possible?
@@thegr8rambino Perhaps. If a Jedi tearing herself off the Force wounds it, then maybe a sufficiently large wound would kill the Force. And perhaps that would kill not just the Force, but all things touched by it, ie all life in the Galaxy.
But since this is Kreia, it's possible that it was but a convenient lie to draw the exile to Malachor V, and to turn herself into another figment of the past for the Exile to confront and defeat. And it's also possible that the purpose for all this was to train the Exile and her apprentices in her image, and prompt the to rebuild a new, better Jedi order. One which would not have its old Masters sit idly by as the galaxy burns around them, and young Knights fall to the Dark Side en masse in their victory over whoever does the burning. Something which went horribly right in it's own way during the Clone Wars.
@@mpnuorva I'm reasonably certain killing the Force *was* her plan. Though whether or not it would work, or if she *wanted* to be stopped are whole different issues.
Still, her version of the Force as "Fate" tying it's leash around people's necks, was less... "active" then the manipulation of chance and probability that seems to exist in Disney canon. It was more in it's influence on Force users themselves, and the endless cycles of war that result from said influences. Be they the stagnation of the Jedi, or the self destructiveness of Sith.
After all, Kreia a Jedi historian before she became a Sith, and it isn't particularly hard to see how Force users are always at the center of all the many, many, *many* galactic wars in the galaxy far far away.
Ahhh free will, the drive to fuck over other people.
Or be kind to other people.
Damn shame that force, for giving free will. Guess everyone will have to die.
Because your emotions in a moment command you to do a thing. I must obey. Certainly not quite as bad as palps ordering Anakin to kill the young ones. Anakin did have a choice to not do it. Damn that free will.
"As the dark rises, the light to meet it." Snoke. He knew that he and Luke were a balance, and that Kylo Ren and Rey were another element of balance. Snoke's death meant that Luke had to die also.
That's dumb, that would have to mean that smoke was a Sith but he wasn't. If that theory is true then it would mean that Luke would have to die after Palpatine died not smoke.
This kind of makes the like of Anakin and Vader even more sad. Think about it, he was a tool for the Jedi, than he became a tool of the Sith but through it all he was only ever a tool of the force. Anakin and Vader never had a chance to really live his own life a more natural and free way whether he knew it or not.
In my opinion the number one lesson to all of this is blind obedience is highly destructive no matter whether you want to call yourself good or bad so you need to take the time to develop critical-thinking and independent thought as well as thoroughly studying what you are dealing with
@@sabbathcore bruh Star Wars isn't real life lmao, know your realities, we are speaking about the Force, and how Anakin is a slave of it, since he wasn't born as a normal human, but by midichlorians
if Palpatine was the Bendu
I am the light, I am the dark, I am the Senate
Robo_Destroyer / Darth Troller DEW IT
great quote tho.
How do Bendu and the Father of Mortis fit together? I understand they're very separate arcs in entirely different shows, but how would it play out if the two would ever meet? Would the Bendu scoff at the children of Light and Darkness? Would the Father see Bendu as little more than a pawn of the Force? Or simply as someone who can't pick a side?
The Father himself sought balance, but he didn't condemn his children for their devotion to one side, either. Dogmatic devotion to balance is just as bad as dogmatic devotion to one side.
I believe he would see them as more representatives of what he sees the Force as.
The bendu is never actually stated to be a being like the father. Simply an old and powerful force sensitive.
The closest is hom saying he is between the light in dark, as opposed to the jedi amd sith. There are several ways to take that
This is something I brought up in my review of the Episode III novelization: that Anakin was meant to eliminate both the old Jedi Order and the Sith in order to bring the Force back into balance, as the Jedi's complacency was doing just as much damage to the galaxy as the Sith. I don't complete buy the idea that the Force targeted them because of their dedication to the light, as I don't see that as being problematic in and of itself given it's philosophy of peace and compassion isn't inherently bad until the Jedi took it to the extreme in their waning days. That, and their support of a broken and corrupt system made it clear they had to go (although, as I point out in my review, I don't think the Jedi HAD to be exterminated; that was the result of a personal failing on Anakin's part. As the Chosen One, Anakin was the catalyst for change, and it was only because of flawed Jedi teaching and Sidious' manipulation that the Jedi were wiped out, rather than reforming after the war and the arrest/execution of Palpatine).
Leak to my review, for those curious:
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blackknight401 I concur reformation possibly, but nor the decimation of the entire Jedi Order.
Yes, and Old Luke was right too. The Jedi had grown complacent, overtly strict, full of hubris, lost touch to the natural balance of the Cosmic Force. A balanced "Middle Way" that is more in tune with the greater Cosmic Force is far better than only embracing the "Light Side" or just the "Dark Side".....
I've always felt that the Je'daii order or those like them need to return. I thoroughly enjoyed those comics about the Je'daii. Great video!
I think they were the closest to really understanding the force
The problem is that nothing about the force in those stories make sense elsewhere. Yes we keep being told that's how it works, but it never matches with what is shown. There is a conflict between show and tell
Having said that, would you then further argue that Sidious succeeded in avenging the Sith precisely because he held a "greater" and more total view of the Force?
Remember, when Palpatine revealed himself as a Sith Lord to Anakin, he claimed "Palpatine: Anakin, if one is to understand “the great mystery” one must study all it’s aspects, not just the dogmatic narrow view of the Jedi. If you wish to become a complete and wise leader, you must embrace a larger view of the force."
It'd be eerie to hear the same thing from Luke in VIII, though I expect it, since the diection of the New Canon seem to advocate this perspective.
Oh please. He was telling Anakin exactly what he wanted to hear. When did an absolute monster like Sidious ever use or study the light?
For me that make sense, in the cinical and pragmatic view of the sith.
In order to destroy your enemy you need to know it, this is understandable if you see how Sidious (and what Plagueis tried before) destroyed the jedi: by exploiting their weaknesses
For me its completly true Who deastroyed Jedi Order ? The Chosen One who will bring ballance to the force
Ending both the Jedi & the Sith. The cycle of violence between light & dark must end.
There can't be darkness without light just as light can't be without darkness. They both need each other as balance.
My theory is that Anakin was the Force's last chance for the Sith and the Jedi. For tens of thousands of years the Force tried to undo the damage caused by the First Skism that created the Jedi and Sith. When it realized they were both too think necked to do this it created Anakin as their final chance. They could use Anakin to unite the Jedi and the Sith to create true balance, or they could use him as a weapon to destroy. In the end they both took Anakin and attempted to use him as a weapon to whipped the other out, so the forth did exactly that, whipped them both out and left only Luke. Hoping Luke would recreate the Jedi, but not as they were during the Old Republic, but as they were in the time before the first Schism. When Luke began recreating the Jedi not as they should be but as they were, the force lashed out having no more patience with the Jedi and destroyed them before they could have a chance to exist properly.
Emmett Leone-Woods the force can think?
Plaguis tried to manipulate the midoclorians to create life during deep meditation with sidious tapping into dark side, the force fought back in retaliation and created anakin. So in a sense you're both right if it were not for plaguis trying to create life then the force would of never fought back
@@bryce34725 Yep
Always wondered how the jedi though what balance to the force was, I mean what did they expect the chosen one to do, just kill the Sith cause he was more powerful, the order was part of the problem as well, doesnt seem like they thought ghey will have to face consequences as well.
@@Spartan3D213 The Jedi and Sith both had versions of the Chosen One.
The Sith said that he would destroy the Jedi and lead the Sith and the Jedi said that he would destroy the Sith and bring balance to the Force. Both weren't right.
In the end, The Chosen One was purer than any of them.
Anyone want to know about Plagueis?
Emperor Palpatine OK. Fill me in
Darth Sidious Thanks
Palpatine, are you alright? You're kinda talking to yourself.
Emperor Palpatine Was Plagueis wise?
Nah. We are good. We all heard the Tragedy of Darth Plagueis The Wise
As an avid reader of the books after the Star Wars Movies first came out, Luke did indeed eventually realize what a balanced in the force was.
It is not how you fight but what you are fighting for.
Interesting Idea, I also recently left a comment on another video explaining why i believe Vader was the chosen one, not for turning back to the light and killing sidious but b/c he turned evil in the first place and killed the jedi, my reasoning is simply put Balance, everyone says the chosen one is meant to balance the force and at that time the lightside saturated the galaxy and only according to the movies after order 66 there only remain two jedi and two sith hence balancing the force. theory needs some hashing out for sure but imo it's really good.
I can see where your coming from and agree with it.
The Force is all things. Not the limited scope either the Jedi or Sith peddled. You cannot escape the Dark side anymore then you can avoid the Light. Mind and body, thought and emotion...these things are linked. Both orders were fatally flawed and so had to be destroyed so as to allow growth towards true understanding.
There is no light. There is no dark. There is only the Force.
When I was very young maybe 4or5 a priest told me "without death life is meaningless" the words have stuck with me throughout my life it wasn't until my late 20s that I understood that we can't value something that exists without a prospect of being removed it has brought me untold & profound understanding that is so powerful
The Bendu is by far 1 of my favorite characters in all of star wars.
This view isnt new, Revan Kreia and Jolee bindo explored along similar lines.
Force metaphysics has become more complex since the OT. I dont know if that means better.
After watching the movies, several of the series and reading the magazines (canons and legends) and some of the books, I realize that the Jedi didn't bring balance to the Force and were even careless, manipulative and arrogant in their view of predominance of light side. I think that true balance will be a "gray" vision, per say.
I've never been one for dichotomy. If Light and Dark are two sides of the same coin, I'd much rather get my money's worth.
I honestly can't make up my mind about all this. The new approach to the Force is interesting and creates a lot of potential for future stories, but on the other hand the Jedi and Sith are so integral to the Star Wars mythos to me that not having them around post sequel trilogy will be extremly weird.
It's not that Legends did not also have leanings in these directions for the Force. It's just that they were mostly limited to a few individuals in the larger Jedi Order, rather than becoming the basis for a completly new order. It weirds me out far more this way, with this actually happening in the movies.
But yeah, the Force must have played a role in the Jedi's destruction. There are too many clues to it.
Sith and jedi are interchangeable named and consepts. Lore wise they had many names over the eos of star wars.
Id say the only thing serperating star wars from every other sci fi action adventure series is the Force and the Abilities of those who use it regardless of factional standing
When the force dies star wars just beomes another sci fi sjw shoot em up that takes itself too seriously
Thats why i think that future jedi should become like revan both like and dark and true unity and power.
Oh my Force! This is an epic thought process. My belief from the beginning was that Anakin brought balance to the force, as only an inside man could-
This is really awesome that my understanding of the force(and Vader's role) has been correct since i was a very young child.
There's just one canonical problem here. If the force hated the Jedi then why on earth did it give Yoda the strictest of all Jedi to the code and council rules the gift of maintaining conscious existence after death. Surely the whills would have told him otherwise. Instead he tells anakin the same montra about attachments and warns Luke of the dark. Yet the force clearly deemed him worthy despite his beliefs and practices.
TheMasterOptimus That's the mystery of the Force understanding it's inner workings is unknowable at this point in Canon. However, I believe the Force to be more neutral and harmonious than it trying to actively destroy the Jedi.
It sounds nice to think of the need for “balance between light and dark”, but the dark side always has so many negatives- drawing on fear, hatred, anger, etc.... is there ever a positive emotion associated with the dark side?
Love.
You can have no emotional attachment with the Jedi.
Love, and attachment, and hating slavers and slavery, are all good things, but all strong Dark emotions that you can take too far.
Just as the Jedi took detachment too far and led slave armies and child soldiers.
To be afraid of your emotions leaves you very cold.
So, Bendu initially didn't want to fight because it was a fight between light and dark, and he couldn't choose a side because he was the one in the middle. Then he gets called a coward, throws a fit, and forgets all that and attacks the Empire. Interesting how easily Force being can be manipulated.
he didn't really choose a side after being called a cowars, he just tried to kill everyone that was annoying him.
He attacked everyone...not just the empire.
CreatorUser Apparently you didn't watch the season finale
He destroyed landed y-wings, hit the ghost multiple times and destroyed A-wing fighters. He also attacked the empires AT-AT walkers and some darktroopers. How is that not 'in the middle' ? He attacked both sides...
Well that's "grey" side in a nutshell.
Sitting on a remote planet, and acting like a hipster who knows everything better, yet does nothing to change the universe.
This was awesome, man. You captured the true aspects of the Force. Keep making these videos. They are cool and a lot of fun to watch.
what about the eternal empire?
they were against the Sith empire and the galactic republic
Amazing video! I have been telling people this (almost) same thing since episode 1, and I was 8 when that came out.... as soon as they said Anakin was to bring balance to the force I understood why he destroyed the Jedi and later the Sith. Never liked either groups philosophy or dogma, and much preferred the views of the Aing-Tii Monks or Revan
Onderon is awesome.
Also all this talk of "the will of the Force" makes me think of the Counter Force from the Nasuverse (Fate/Stay Night).
Is Ezra moving in that direction of true balance?
He he "angry Bendu" Great video! I think you've made a strong case regarding the direction the SW saga seems to be going with the totality of The Force. So now, the question becomes, "What would be the moral/ethical implications of a totality view and how would that likely translate into character stories?" Personally, I think it's going to be a bit like shifting sand underneath the character makeup (unlike what we've seen in the past, even in characters that ended up using the Dark Side at times like Anakin and Luke). Even those characters had strong inclinations that put them on one side or another. However, if/when everyone is morally ambiguous, what kind of story is left to tell? Keep up the great work and gave a great week!
I don't like the whole "balance between light and dark" thing coming up. The light and dark side are about the treatment of the force and the light side followers treat the force as an ally and the dark side followers treat it as a slave. That's why I think the force favors the light side.
Reminds me of Dark Souls story. Someone wanted to prolong the age of fire to prevent the age of dark from coming. Apparently that's a bad thing. Its like prolonging spring to prevent the coming of winter. I guess the force is also like a person having both good and bad sides. To deny ourselves of either side makes us not human anymore.
Luke's revelation about the Jedi needing to end and Plagueis' remark about the Force "striking back" are the strongest pieces of evidence by far. Not sure how I feel about the Force basically being God, though.
The concept of Balance was pretty big in the Legends canon too.
This is why Vergere and Jacen Solo's new insights into the force in the New Jedi Order were so important. By recognizing that the Force does not take sides, and that it is more than the some of all life Luke had been taught it was, they helped to push the Jedi forward into a new era.
I have often wondered if the correct stance is to be anti force. Think about it: Endless conflict brought about to serve its will, deaths of countless billions so that it can being itself back into that balance, no, the force may be the greatest evil and enemy in the canon. Light, dark, or grey, if you serve the force's will, you ARE the enemy.
I would qualify this idea slightly. First, the force is credited with the creation of life itself. It lives inside all beings and returns to the larger living environment only with the death of its host. To be 'anti-force' would therefore mean the end of all organic beings.
Second, not all those with the force 'serve its will'. What you are describing in the light and dark sides of the force amounts two rival religions. This does describe the conflict between the jedi and sith. But many serve their own wills and merely use the force as a tool. Still, your point is well taken. These individuals would not be as powerful without the dogma that would serve as their preeminent duty.
But a larger argument might be made that we should be against those people known as 'force sensitive' beings, those who possess extraordinary abilities and thus carry the potential to greatly influence the world around them. The influence of 'force sensitive' wills would be more or less powerful depending on its owner's strength, yet 'force sensitive' individuals as a group would be able to exert themselves more extensively than ordinary beings. They might, due to their strength, generate endless conflict if divided into opposing camps or even if it were every being for himself. While ordinary beings also participate in conflict to their different interests, the affairs of ordinary beings might go on without too greatly disrupting the world around them. The conflict would be limited within the scope of their ordinary abilities. They would be neither a force of overly powerful force either for good or for evil.
significant actors in history.
The one thing I’ve always found a little odd is that Aniken was supposed to be prophesies to “bring balance to the force”
But there’s really never been any solid evidence as far as I know as to what balance means. The Jedi Council in Phantom Menace just instantly assumed that meant that Aniken was destined to eliminate the Sith. But would that really be balance?
I always thought the Jedi and Sith were supposed to be Yin and Yang, and as such one needed to exist as much as the other for there to be balance the imbalance comes when they start building Deathstars and blowing up Solar systems, there’s no balance to something like that just pure destruction.
"I only know one truth... It is time for the Jedi to end."
Yo, Filoni and Johnson be talking
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Honestly, I thought this is what episode 8 would be...
Suffice to say, I was horribly wrong...
The chosen one would bring BALANCE to the force . There was One Sith , and like thousands of Jedi .. After A Nikon became Vader , a dozen Jedi , Two Sith + a hand full of dark side users . Balance
The will of the Force had me like this Video.
I never comment on videos. But this was incredible. I always watch your videos you tend to repeat yourself over and over. This time, incredible. As for the lore... I've been saying this about Vader/Anakin since Ep.1 first came out.
Thanks @starwarsreadingclub ! Love your videos sir!
This just reminds me how much I love Luke!! I believe the force ultimately exist to protect life (Legends backs me up on this ;), and the reason why Luke has the force's backing so well is seen toward the end of Empire when he races off to save his friend's lives, instead of 'honering what they fight for' and possibly letting them die (like a duch). Of course that was a trap, and anyone more 'learned' would not have gone, but therein lies the difference of Luke and the ever cautious Jedi, Luke didn't question or calculate about what should be done, he knew the right thing to do for him, and unquestionably took a leep of faith! (Did he get sidetracked on Bespan? Sure. He suffer and lose a hand? Sure. Did he not really help his friends? Sure. BUT, did the same optimistic naivety save his life later on... No my friends, as Luke throw the Lightsaber from his hands and uttered the words 'you have failed your highness, I am a Jedi, like my father before me' it saved the Galaxy!)
In light of this new "approach" to the philosophy of the Force, don't you think it would be prudent to re-canonize the Je'daii Order in some way or fashion as they were exactly following the philosophy of the Force this new canon is trying to establish.
I.m.o. The Je'daii Order was the best incarnation of any Force related organizations or orders.
I would very much like to recieve an answer regarding my question. Thank you in advance!
Btw. I'm a huge fan!
This makes me so sad. Curse Disney if they go this route. If they do this, and warp the original meaning of the force, I won't be seeing the last Jedi.
I don't believe Anakin brought balance when he destroyed Sidious, as there was no Dark to balance the light. I do wonder what would have happened if Sidious had allowed Luke to grow as a Jedi under the Sith Empire, creating a true balance.
I think that the dark side being gone negates the need for the Jedi, THAT'S the "balance"
I sorta want to hear him talk a bit about kreia and her philosophy from kotor2
I would totaly understand being in the middle and the balance in the force, hell i am big fan of gray jedi order :)
But question: If the balance tilted to one side(as we see dark side is dominant in Bendu era), shouldn't he or the force itself try to balance that?
In clone wars Yoda also accepted his dark side and went on into his training with the wills...That is interesting to see that the master of all had to learn that he had to accept the dark side into himself to progress to a more complete understanding
I reached this understanding long ago, and came up with a solution. It is called Jedi Exile, and includes special technologies from Several Science Fiction Universes. The "Exiles," led by Revan, are cloned by mysterious people using advanced technology. They will awaken on the planet Zakuul in 550 BBY where they will assume command of the Eternal Empire's Remnants. They will journey to the Ancient Planet of Tython, where they will build an organization known as the Exiles to study (and later build defenses against) the strange people who made the "Asteroid" Canderous encountered. They will end Reestablishing the Je'Daii Order, discovering advanced technologies that will permit them to silently build up a Massive Hidden Civilization to prepare for the Yuuzhan Vong War (once they are aware of the Vong). The information listed here is but a drop in the bucket of the Information gathered for this Project, and the plan is to collaborate with the Star Wars Fandom Lore Masters (All of them) to complete it. By the time this is done, Disney should have made it easy enough for the Fan Base to get someone (or several someones) to help buy Star Wars from Disney (nobody will Want Anything to do with the Disney Canon soon enough).
This is one of your better commentaries that I have heard. Something that you could have added to the story is the Infinite Empire in the Old Republic. Their soldiers were neither light nor dark and they destroyed both the Jedi and Sith when they invaded.
George Lucas himself already stated that the Dark side is an imbalance of the force. The force is not supposed to exist as both light and dark. From the man himself, the creator of Star wars, the very existence of the dark side is what causes the imbalance, and Anakin fulfills the prophecy when he kills Sidious.
" Which brings us up to the films 4, 5, and 6, in which Anakin's offspring redeem him and allow him to fulfill the prophecy where he brings balance to the Force by doing away with the Sith and getting rid of evil in the universe..."
It is perfectly clear from George Lucas himself that the Dark side is a corruption of the force and will always push it out of balance.
Dewinter the same Lucas who turned the greatest villain of all time to a poorly thought out chosen one...his statements should be contradicted in every turn.
And then he changed his mind via clone wars and other post original trilogy stories. And even the return of the jedi changed the concept.
Lucas’ words may very well be the word of god. But by this point all he seems to be doing is killing off potential stories, all to fit an extremely old interpretation of Star Wars. And killing off potential stories is a BIG no no when it comes to storytelling in a developed fictional world with a wide variety of stories being told.
Tl;dr: We should stop paying attention to Lucas, and let him play in his metaphorical sandbox.
Dewinter yes exactly so many stupid people trying to overcomplicate thins. Is society balanced if there are 0 murderers, rapists and thieves, or does it take some to balance out moral living? Exactly. Sounds stupid but it's what people are saying.
Thank you, this is the correct response, all others are foolish wishful thinking or ridiculous spin.
Well done, sir. Even in our world, if it was all light, we would be just as blind as if it was all dark. The light reveals, but the darkness defines. In order to see clearly, one must have both. I would point to the Vedic concept of the Gunas, the three strands that are woven into the rope of reality. One is holy, one is evil and braided between them the one that holds it all together, that which is normal...
#suggestion: I think that it be cool if General Grievious found Darth Tyranus' light saber to add to his collection. As Grievious was escaping the ship a droid from the observation room where Dooku was killed was already in the same area as Grievious. He took Dooku's light saber with him in his escape pod and when he made it to another separatist ship he left that system. Grievious put Tyranus' light saber up in his trophy room where he had other jedi sabers that he gathered after he had killed them. After he left his trophy room, a Bothan came sneaking inside and stole 4 of the light sabers including Dooku's. This Bothan was trading information with the Republic and he felt that the jedi might want these light sabers. He left on a separatist shuttle and headed to Yavin 4 where his contact in the Republic was scheduled to meet him at regular intervals. His contact was waiting for him and he was given the light sabers then he went back to Corrisant to be placed in the jedi temple library. A young padawn came to visit that area of the library soon after and he was immediately obsessed by Dooku's light saber. He used the force to free the light saber from its display case and immediately left the library to escape to the underworld streets of Corrisant. He believed that the jedi would be displeased with his actions and they were, they ordered clone troopers to find the missing padawan. Soon he found passage on a civilian transport and after switching ships many times he made it to Mandelor where he dawned young mandelorian armor and changed his name to hide himself from the other jedi. He became known as Tora Masamada and years after order 66 he enlisted in the storm trooper army as a galactic marine. When he was able, Tora Masamada mastered a plan to fake his death during a mission and leave the storm trooper galactic marines. He engineered adult mandelorian armor that was black with red highlights and goes back to his jedi training as he used Count Dooku's red light saber. He then took on the name of Tyranus and became known in certain circle as a powerful bounty hunter. This Tyranus had a son on Dathomir who he named Tora Masamada after his old name he took while on Mandelor throughout his military career in the storm troopers. Tyranus and his son Tora left Dathomir after 16 years to embark on a father and son bounty hunter career also he taught his son his jedi knowledge which he intermixed with his night brother training to become a powerful force user like his father. Luke Skywalker eventually finds the duo and get them to join his new jedi order. Tyranus gave his son his original blue light saber and he removed the red crystal from Dooku's light saber then switched it with a blue kyber crystal. Master Tyranus was killed by Kylo Ren years later but his son escaped and went to Tattoine where he hid amongst the sand people until Luke was found then he joined the rebel alliance where he used both his father's light saber which was Count Dooku's originally.
Star wars in nutshell, force create and solve all problems.
Dude, by far one of.your best under the radar most comprehensive, on point videos you ever made. Making the choice to tell the story of how Anakin changed the outlook of the force. And how the Force struck back at the Jedi for rejecting Love. Plus all the points you pointed out. Which where all insanely on point n informative. Furthermore, hoping that Disney will resurrect Anakin/Vader after the battle of Endor. And granting him his 15 minutes of FgrantiI found what Snoke said when using Star Killer Base in line with not doing it out of being Evil or "Darkside" more like weighing things out if the conflict drags, the death toll could have been more. But by destroying 5 planets, actually saved more lives in the long run. But would love for Snoke to be Anakin/Vader resurrected in the totality of the force. Not just Darkside.. Snoke doesnt seem to want to purge the pull to the light from Kylo Ren. Its why he is his most talented Apprentice. My bad i just think it be awesome if Anakin/Vader Light and Darkside transcended to the Force. But the Force had more work to do due to the fact that Anakin/Vader could not bring balance to the Force because of Love, granted Snoke more time to bring balance to the Force and reshape Force wielders as he see fit.. Be fucking Awesome.. He just cant Kill Luke himself.. It's his Son after all.. He never told Kylo Ren to Kill Han Solo. He clearly told him it was a test. Of which side of the Force would he choose.. Hence why Snoke said.. "We shall, see.. We shall, see"
This is also shown in Yoda’s trial on Mortis with the Whills.
He must accept and acknowledge the darkside within himself and not discard it. This is how he moves on to become a true part of the cosmic force.
You must know thyself in full
Remember when Star Wars was black and white, good and evil?
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That was true of a lot of franchises! the old battlestar galactica for example whereas the reboot had a more sympathetic take on baltar and some of the cylons! you look at most stuff these days there are far more shades of grey than there ever was in the past! in a way it was inevitable that this trend would impact star wars also! the more you try and explain someones motives the more you have to accept that they may sometimes have a valid point
Nope.
This is a great video. I think the Bendu had a philosophy like that of the Je'daii, that balance was necessary to be maintained. As such, the jedi and sith both represent extremes (the selfless jedi and selfish sith) that were not sustainable and detrimental, and the force helped create the chosen one, anakin skywalker, to curb both orders. Neither order was focused on balance, but rather their own philosophy, which may have been opposed to the force itself. Maybe Kreia had a point about getting rid of the force...
hey SWReading Club, that's what I was telling Stupendous Wave on his vids about the last Jedi... I was telling him to play closer attention to the Bendu, as the Bendu indeed represents a new or fresh manifestation of the Force.. even the name "Bendu" has a significant meaning when it comes to the Force in general.. this is a subject I can go real deep on, but for the sake of time right now, I'll just say all of us real, 'intelligent' Star Wars fans especially those of us who are really into the science of the Force, we really need to pay attention to the character of the Bendu.. the best is yet to come bro!...
message posted just seen this... I'll say to you: stay tuned...
If the dark side is not just in its wielders, but in evil actions across the galaxy, then perhaps the rule of two exists also to increase evil in the wider galaxy as well as reducing the number of enemies.
Alongside the usual reason
I tend to feel like the Force doesn't care one way or the other. Stupid will always take its self out.
At its core the first 6 movies are about the Force cleansing itself. At the end of ROS there is no Jedi Order after ROJ there is no Sith Order.
So the Force strives for ultimate balance with neither side having any real advantage over the other
There's nothing better than confederacy! Roger Roger!
Karl Dönitz FOR THE REPUBLIC
Who is Roger?
JustFriendly end the corruption
What is hyperspace? Splain it pls
He already did a video on it, that's what I linked
Wibbly-wobbly spacey-wacey stuff.
The Only hrdjhskfjsnd another reality what helps you travel a lot faster
Going really fast
i always thought that it was a controlled wormehole
I always thought the se about Anakin. He successfully wiped the old Jedi order from existence before he ever successfully confronted Palpatine. He made a hard reset on all force using organizations. It was needed.
I thought balance was one side doesn't out weight the other
And that's why Qui-Gon Jinn was so dangerous as he was a true follower of the force, as a follower of the Living Force. Hence he was the target of the Sith on Episode 1.
The light and dark isn't just about good and evil either as it's also about how the user controls the force, or the jedi allow it to flow through them while the sith bend the force to their will. Also the sith use emotion to fuel their power while the jedi don't. However though that's is considered to be dark side use by the jedi emotion itself is not inherently bad and only leads to problems if given free reign without an element of intellectual control. Didn't Love help save Regan and bastilla for example? Even though it may be considered wrong use of the force by the jedi? I honestly don't think it's about good or bad I think it's about using the force in all the different ways available.
This is how I've looked upon on the Force ever since I met Kyle Katarn in Jedi Knight series.
And it's also how I look upon Politics these days, the important of striking a Balance.
Wait... Kyle as in a real person? Or Kyle as in Star Wars?
I love ur end tag line lol always gets a laugh
I sincerely appreciate your perspective on this. I've quite a bit of trepidation regarding Star Wars direction as a whole, but this is some Taoist, basis for meaning in general stuff you're talking here. So thanks.
Its fun to think legends darth bane was a perfect sith and qui gon jin was a perfect jedi.
Kreia, the only one to strike back at the Force itself
The ultimate "control" created by Sidious and Vader, through fear and domination over the galaxy, if it were allowed to be fully realized, WOULD have maintained "peace" from their poit of view.
The "bad guy" NEVER thinks of himself as evil.
But individual freedom wouldn't exist for the masses under their control.
Yoda AND Obi-Wan were both in exile, but they were alive and so the force was way out of balance.
So, Luke being able to redeem Vader and destroy the Sith negated the need for the Jedi to be active, because it removed the oppression and allowed real peace through liberty, but liberty is an extremely fragile thing.
Knowing this, Luke tried to create a new Jedi order to protect the galaxy, which is an act born of fear, throwing the force back out of balance again, the dark side would not be far behind, naturally, so enter; Kylo Ren.
He sees the failures that came before, with the dark side ruling through fear in an attempt to bring peace, and then his uncle Luke fails because he was a slave to his own fears.
The Jedi are not necessary without the Sith. The problem is not the force but the force users. Manipulation of the natural process of the galaxy, whether for perceived "good" or "evil" is never the true will of the force.
A Jedi rises and the Sith will come, and vice-versa.
The pendulum swings wildly back and forth. But the problem is CLEAR;
It's not whether it lands heads or tails, but choosing not to flip the coin.
TWSTF So the Jedi can't exist without the Sith? The Sith were born from out of the Jedi and the Jedi had existed for, correct me if I'm wrong, thousands of years prior. The Sith aren't the only reason the Jedi Order exist, in fact it isn't the reason at all. The Jedi Order is a religion not a military war faction that it became in the Clone Wars.
Indeed one cannot have light without dark!
So chirrut imwe and bendu was right ! "I am one with the force,the force is with me " he is one with the force but he is neither the light nor the dark and bendu he doesnt serve the light or the dark , he serves the force. But a question : how about other light side or dark side religion or the grey jedi ? Would the force retalliate them ???
When the prequels were running, I so very much wanted Anakin to pivot in the direction of this outlook and make a conscious choice to embrace the dark side based on a similar logic.
3 years old but, it seemed the force wanted to eliminate both sides as neither of them followed the will of the force anymore, they both sought to control it, , but it almost seems it decided to react to the sith attempt to create life with the force, which would completely upset the balance.
Or, there is no will to the force, and like the name says, it's just a force, like gravity. Gravity doesn't give a shit who lives or dies.
Maybe the concept of bringing balance to the force by the chosen one, is the creation of of a dark side that only destroys wha's unworthy/unhealthy for a prosperous future of relevant beings and matter, while the light side is the essence of prosperity itself.
That can also be said about the sith once they destroy the Jedi order, it was still no balance in the Force and they lost their power two decades later.... You need both the light and the dark for true balance
That would be badass to add the bindu into the new movies!!!!
"there's something familiar about this place", it been a while since I played KOTOR 2, but there seem to be liberal borrowing from that games plot in both the Bendu and what we've seen about Ep 9, not that this is a bad thing as post restro-mod KOTOR 2 is the most interesting SW game to date
I've always viewed the force as just the force. The light or darkness resides not in the force but in those that choose to wield it. The force is elemental it exists, it is. Good and evil, light and darkness comes from those that choose to wield the force in the way that they see fit.
I really like the Bendu. Such a cool idea.
I am the light, I am the dark, I AM BENDU!
Shame the cartoon sucked