Debunking the worst sunscreen misinformation on TikTok
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- Опубліковано 28 тра 2024
- It's sunscreen myth time! Again, TikTok serves up the best misinformation - let's talk about the actual science.
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0:00 Intro
0:31 Paul Saladino’s DIY “animal-based” sunscreen
4:39 Seed oils don’t cause sunburn (more Saladino)
10:50 SPF isn’t strength?
14:29 Sunscreen isn’t preventing cancer?
20:06 Dermatologist avoids chemical sunscreens, endocrine disruption, pregnancy
29:50 Sunscreen is bad for your skin?
31:39 Huberman: sunscreen found in the brain 10 years after use
37:29 Sunscreen cushion hack
39:03 Chemical lip SPF - featuring @Moskinlab
42:08 Bobby, milk, coral reefs, non-toxic
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Note: I don't think the librarian was responsible for the NOAA page, I think librarians usually know the limits of their expertise and how to assess sources far better than most scientists! IMO it was probably filtered through a bunch of graphic designers and interns and marketing people, plus I have some suspicions about why the NOAA page still hasn't been changed. Stay tuned!
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Hope you enjoyed this video! I think the next one in this series might be debunking product tests on social media... which ones do you keep seeing?
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Hi lab muffin! Thank u for all the information, as always. The info about reef safety was really helpful. 🌻🌻
What do you think about edible sunscreen?
can you please talk about what to do after shaving my beard? I have a lot
I'm.a chemistry phd in WA and i love your work!
I really need to know if this video answers “what did Michelle survive in 1996?” I keep trying to look under the screen line, I’m old & tired & the senior living group who came to my work today had the stomach flu… PS I Googled, kinda bummed it’s not real..,
Just remember, if the person talking about sunscreen has burnt orange elephant skin...
Probably dont pay them attention
Ha ha ha 😂 that’s what I thought. Your « animal » sunscreen (zinc is animal based now?) is not working, my man. Sunscreen is not some cloak of invisibility that lets you bronze but still fights UV.
Are you talking about Donald Drump?
@@SR-mv2mfha ha ha orange man bad lol like love how you spelled his last name w a D 😂 epic own
@@ghostoflazloyou seem upset
i was going to say 😭
When I don't use high sunscreen, I tan and burn. When I do, I don't. 😮. You don't have to be a genius to figure out that suncreen works.
It's like these people have never missed a spot...
I don't even tan. I just burn. And as neither that nor skin cancer (I'm a redhead. No such thing as sunscreen season for me as every season is sunscreen season) are all that appealing to me I always make sure to wear SPF50 where my skin is showing. Though I honestly prefer just to cover up as reapplying sunscreen to my entire body every few hours isn't something I am willing to do. Thank god for maxi skirts and dresses. They're lifesavers in summer.
@@DM-nw5lu I'm not a redhead but I'm pretty darned pale/freckly myself and I second that! I lived in Egypt for a few years as well so I always made sure to wear flowy, long sleeved clothes etc.. There was no other way!
Oh my god. I was visiting a southern country and missed a tiny spot on my chest after applying sunscreen. I burnt so badly that it bubbled. It bled and then got infected. I still have the scar 10 years later.
@@stephstevens2 Oh, it definitely goes for all pale ladies. I only mentioned red hair as the MC1R variant responsible for our red hair also increases the risk of skin cancers including melanoma. I barely have freckles anymore as I wear sunscreen religiously.. only some on my arms and hands. My face has been freckle free since a few summers after I started wearing sunscreen. I do kind of miss my face freckles as I always thought they're cute but health trumps cuteness for me.
Someone really wrote to you that "he has access to graduate level research studies and clinical trials not released to the public because he's a Stanford professor"? How do they come up with this misinformation? Firstly, Michelle ALSO has access to research that is behind paywalls. But even if she didn't, everyone has access to all peer-reviewed study abstracts - it is just that some journals are annoying and require subscriptions to access some whole articles. AND, if you really want the article, but don't want to pay for it, you just email any of the authors and they will send it to you FOR FREE. Because there is no such thing as "big science". We all want our research to be out there and to get read. When there is a paywall, it isn't our choice, that is just a consequence that we have to suffer to get our studies out there in the right journals. We hate it too.
^^^exactly, and a study with an outcome as sensational (for lack of a better word) would, even if it were not accessible at all, still show up as at least the title&authors in citations of other studies and articles . If somebody really found sunscreen particles in brain matter, tons of people would either reference or respond to that article.
Like I think everyone in academia knows this phenomenon, where somebody wrote a controversial or very influential paper and from that point on 90% of publications on the topic cite that one specific paper
as if research groups would do experiments for fun and not have them published 😆
"Big science" are the journals with their pay walls despite most often it being public money that funded the research that has gone into the articles. THAT is "big science", it's actually "big science publishing". And while authors may send you the articles they've written, some of us struggle with feeling like we'd be a waste of their time. I felt that way even when I was a uni student, so I RARELY went to office hours cuz I thought I wasn't worth their rarified time and that my smarter classmates that did stand a chance at one day becoming professors deserved it more
Also, students have access to additional articles too?? At least usually
Sci-hub is literally there lol
As a dark skin black woman, ask me if I wear mineral sunscreen lol!
The best sunscreen for you is the one you will ACTUALLY wear everyday. Not that ghost chalky mess that will turn my whole family blue and purple.
95% of BIăck Americans have insufficient Vitamin D levels, because our dark skin already acts as a natural sunscreen, and modern western populations are not getting enough sunlight.
I don't want to burst the bubble, but unless you're a day laborer, you may want to rethink wearing sunscreen all the time.
Totally agree! 🤗 If a sunscreen feel bad, smells bad or makes your skin look a strange colour, you would stop wearing it no matter how good the reviews. The one you actually wear every day is then simply the best for you instead of wearing no sunscreen at all 🤷♀️
This is a friendly reminder that over 90% of BĪăck Aměricans lack the recommended amount of Vitamin D.
Our skin naturally acts as a sunscreen and works against us in cultures where people stay indoors all the time.
Lmao Im a pale white boy and it still makes me look like im dying and need a blood transfusion 😂 I still wear it though but I gotta spread it out well
@@dfpguitar That is a "bit" misguided. Melanin does help protect against the sun, but it is wise not to overestimate its capabilities. Even deeply dark skinned-people can develop melanoma, or at least sun damage through prolonged exposure.
And build tolerance? Against the sun? Unless you have some kind of photosensitivity disease where building tolerance can be recommended for treatment, I don't believe that would be particularly effective or necessary for someone of regular health, unless you mean something else specifically?
Good sleep and nutrition are just good things to practice, though.
11:30
Maybe the sun won't burn you but Michelle sure will 😭
I cackled, thank you😂
It's true though, I haven't seen any who don't have some bizarre stuff going on 😩
Yeeees 👏🏽👏🏽😂
I came to the comments section just to show appreciation for Michelle’s definition of « holistic ».
It’s funny cause it’s true.
Bada-dummm 😅
Yay, group therapy with Michelle!
As a fellow Australian, it absolutely blows my mind that there are people who don't "believe" in sunscreen. Like, tell me you've never lived somewhere with a UV index above 6 without telling me. My skin would literally be cooked if I used that "animal based" sunscreen with our average UV index of 12 in summer :')
I think literally every Australian knows *at least* one person who has had a melanoma removed at some point, which probably plays a role in our culture around sun protection.
omg i thought the UV ended at 11 💀
@@AutumnVulpes369 a lot of things will only report it up to 11, and after that just say it's "above 11" because anything 11 or above is considered to be extreme and the exact number doesn't really matter anymore. The UV index going above 11 is also pretty uncommon in most of the northern hemisphere, even in summer.
In summer in Australia, though, almost the entire country is at or above 11 every day, so just reporting "at or above 11" would be pretty meaningless for us since it would pretty much say that all the time.
In 2021 one of our major cities, Brisbane, recorded a UV index of 15.9. Personally, the highest I've ever seen it get in Sydney is 14, but that doesn't mean it hasn't been higher here. At UV indexes above 11 it only takes about 5 to 10 minutes to get a sunburn, I pretty much never leave the house without sunscreen at least on my face.
If you wanna see how high the UV index gets across Australia for pretty much any date you can search for "Arpansa UV index" and it'll take you to a page that has historical and current real time UV data for all major cities in Australia. Keep in mind that our seasons are switched, so summer is December - February here.
I'm from regional Queensland and most people I know don't wear sunscreen, and quite a few even believe it's bad for you or it will give you cancer. Quackery and conspiracy-theories seem to be very ingrained in most people I know (although it's worsened in the last few years).
@@biosparkles9442 no worries about the switched seasons 👍 i used to live in cape town so im pretty used to it still. thanks for the in depth explanation!
@@AutumnVulpes369I think I've been under UV 14 in Mexico. Yes it is hell here 😂 And you can feel the sun just roasting your skin as soon as you step under it.
We don't have a sunscreen culture like Australia to use it daily but we often use umbrellas, hats, sunglasses and try to walk in the shade. (I do try to use daily sunscreen and a lot of young people do, but it's been a recent development.)
Once, whilst a nurse was taking my blood, she commented on my skin being very pale and told me to get a tan. She said I'm clearly not getting enough sun exposure and therefore not enough vitamin d.
I told her that's just my skin colour and I don't want skin cancer so I'm careful. She said, "yeah, wear sunscreen to protect you against cancer, but you still need a tan."
It's true. Medical training doesn't make a person know about every health related thing😅 but it seems to make them think they do.
Nurses are constantly concerned about my skin colour. They think I'm going to pass out any minute I'm like "Hun I just look like this I've been wearing sunscreen since I was a kid"
Same - I'm naturally very, very, very pale and I wear sunscreen religiously since childhood due to having had birthmarks that looked fishy to childhood dermatologist. I heard that I must have anemia or that I "look sick" from nurses so many times I've lost count, often nurses that looked like they have members card for tanning bed salon. And then they look at my birth year, surprised.
Why people feel the need to comment on other people's appearance and give advice outside of their scope,I wonder...
Yeah I honestly find it really weird and rude. It's also dangerous advice. I wish experts in the relevant field could directly put them in their place all at once😂 it's ridiculous how bold they are about things they don't actually know about...
Nurses aren’t great regarding diet or skincare.
My sister-in-law, a nurse, still uses a tanning bed. And is anti-vaccine. So do not base health decisions only on the role of the speaker. It helps me to look at greed as a reason for outrageous statements. Difficult to assess the true expertise of the speaker also. What we truly need is better science education.
molecular biologist here - I had no what the actual molecular mechanism was for sunburn beyond generic "DNA damage" until today. Every day is a school day and I am a very happu little nerd to have learnt this!
I can imagine if you use the DIY sunscreen all the neighbourhood dogs will flock to you like a suburban Disney Princess
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SUBURBAN DISNEY PRINCESS! 😭🤣🤣🤣🤣
And then the flies after the food oils go rancid 😮
As someone who has oily skin, I can’t imagine how terribly that animal “sunscreen” would make my skin break out. The tradeoffs of using that “sunscreen” are not worth it…
real
Huberman shouldn't be a university professor while spreading misinformation and pulling things out of his ass. That is extremely unethical for an academic.
That's his entire deal though. Same class and type as Jordan Peterson, the "I have a PhD in a very specific area so I must be an expert in literally anything and everything that exists" men.
I love it. I was interested in what Huberman had to say for a while but fairly early on his podcasts he made a very intense negative claim about a kind of medication I'd been taking and experiencing positive effects from for a long time and had a lot of knowledge about. Weeks and weeks of further searching and I failed to find any trace of the study/evidence he referred to. The specialist who prescribed me was dismissive of his claim also. Super dodgy 💩
@@Alice_Walker which medication you refer to?
32:05 to see in writing what actually comes out of this prestigious university professor's mouth is shocking. This is middle school broscience level of conversation
@@Sandy-of6gqfacts.
I’m European and guilty of not using sunscreen on a daily basis. Sunscreen causing cancer, imbalances women’s hormones and preventing from getting a tan bc the sun isn’t that strong in Europe were the reasons why I used coconut oil as a sunscreen bc so many blogger, influencer and people said it’s healthier than sunscreen.
But everything you explained makes so much sense. I ordered my first spf 50 now 😄 thank you for debunking those things
I think it's easier for Europeans to fall for those tricks than people who live in very sunny areas. I live in South Africa, growing up my mom used to wear coconut oil to help her tan more, now she has to get melanoma lazered off that are a result of years of coconut oil tanning. I'm a woman and don't expereince any hormonal issues with sun screen, if it makes you break out it could just be too thick for your skin instead of messing with hormones. Take it from someone who has to live with the sun at its harshest, if you're planning on being in the sun all day - wear sunscreen!
As a white dude in his early twenties who has neglected skincare most of his life, your channel has done a great job in dispelling a lot of the misinformation I used to believe. I used to think sunscreen was the devil but I am no longer afraid to wear it. Thank you!
"I'm standing in direct sunlight right now" . "Nobody gets burned in 20 minutes " yes they do. As a pale blonde who was born and raised in Europe I haven't known what REAL SUN feels like until l traveled to Florida. Europeans have this very lax attitude towards sun safety because the whole continent is very northern, and we aren't really aware of how cold we have it relative to almost everyone else. Even the southern parts like the Mediterranean region get snowy winters. We shouldn't export our sun behavior. Seriously. Let's stay in our lane.
Fr not all skin tone is resistance to sun some skin burn easily than other
People with dark skin burn and get sun damage from UV as well, it's just not as visually apparent but it happens just as quickly as it does to people with pale skin when the UV index is high. Everyone should be wearing sunscreen on any exposed skin whenever outside, it's the easiest way to prevent UV damage.
I knew someone who could burn in 10 minutes in a car. It's so different for everyone.
I am brown and I still got burned easily and I turn into dark chocolate and flaky for days.
Same here. I'm another pale European who moved to the bright US sun (I'm in a desert on the opposite coast from where you are), and I never leave the house without wearing SPF 50+ on all exposed skin during the spring, summer, and fall, because if I don't then I burn in about five minutes. Long sleeves are our friends!
"They don't *look* like they care about skincare" 9:10
Oh, Michelle's coming for blood in this one 😂
This was the most nicely worded take... 😅
Honestly a valid take, if someone is very tan I assume they don't care about their skin at all.
Yes, it’s always people with thin villainous lips and rampant sun damage who say sunscreen is “toxic”
@@9090lillypadvillainous lips😂 so trueeee
I was thinking the same thing. Like, maybe he should stop EATING IT and put it on😂😂😂😂
People also forget that tanning beds were a big thing in the 2000s and it increases your chance of skin cancer.
Dr. Huberman disappointed me a long time ago. I’m a researcher with a terminal degree. I stay in my lane, and I respect other researchers who stay in their lanes. Influencer culture is dangerous when it’s irresponsible. Thank you for continuing to share responsible, peer-reviewed evidence.
agreed. i wish he would stick to his specific area of study, especially when so many people listen to his podcast and happen upon his clips
As a scientist myself I can only speak to my area of expertise and defer to others for theirs. And even then I still don’t claim to know everything in my area. As I say to other people that I train, I am still learning new things every day as science progresses every day! I believe arrogance in any scientist is a major red flag 🚩
@@zannabondesson2544 , yes! I’ve learned a lot from him sharing information related to his specific field, but I’ve heard him share misinformation about other fields more than once. I’m afraid people may view him as an expert and then internalize everything he shares.
@@sunshine5777 , absolutely! We learn new things every day and must be careful to stay current in our fields and practice care when sharing information not related to our specific field.
I'm careful just about what I say in normal conversation and I'm still studying, it's just that among my friends and family I've become the “science one” so people tend to believe what I say, and a lot of the time people misinterpret me when I'm trying to joke. I feel like surely everyone who has pursued a career in science must have had this kinda experience so how can that not make you careful about what you say!
My mom has had skin cancer, so when i saw a brand basically saying SPF causes cancer, i was pretty annoyed. I cannot believe theres so many totally unrealistic myths/rumors about SPF
My best friends mom died from skincancer thwt eventually soread. She wax only 35 years old and left behind two young duaghters. Horrible.
My mom also had skin cancer. Basically had her whole nose removed then reconstructed. She still doesn’t wear sunscreen and “doesn’t believe SPF is real.” 🙄
@@sugarplumcarlysame with mine!
Skin cancer is a multifaceted problem, but just so you know blue light or indoor living will stimulate melanocytes more than UV light will. All the big cancers we know about including skin cancer will show low vitamin D in the patients. Work that one out.
@@NickMarshallMusic can i get a source on that first claim? Are you saying that blue light/LED lightbulbs will stimulate melanocytes more than the sun's UV light??
how on earth did that man make it all the way through medical school with no interest in science?
His medical degree is in psychiatry.
@@maryeckel9682every md goes through the same med school as any other medical doctor. You graduate, get your your title, and then specialize.
I also wouldn’t trust his “homemade” formula given how tanned and dry aged his skin looks
I may be wrong but I don't think medical school requires you to write a thesis like other stem graduate degrees. So I guess it's possible that he's good at memorizing for exams but not at critical thinking when it comes to scientific research 😅
@@BreakofDawn speaks for itself, melanoma here i come
The increase of skin cancer could be for tons of reasons like the ozone depletion, tanning beds, more recreational activities, higher populations in more sunny areas, longer lives, better healthcare, more access to healthcare, etc
I think a lot of it has to do with the ozone depletion, caused by industrial pollution, and local environmental pollution and stress which can contribute to health issues including cancers. And anything that can impact your immune system could cause skin issues which make you more vulnerable to UVA and UVB. And yeah, some places have worse sun than others. But historically ozone depletion has gotten worse over time.
People spend less time in the sun than ever. Skin cancer is is very likely due to exposure to the chemicals in industrial sunscreen. The pharma industry is the largest funder of: -academic research -media -medical organizations -politicians. Chronic disease is a multi-trillion dollar industry. Whatever good information is available is not going to come from conventional information streams for this reason.
@@PrometheanFlame I do too. That's probably the number one reason
I believe one factor could be our diets too but I might be wrong. Just kinda gut feeling speculation not much to back it up but I do know the foods we eat today are worst and far more industrialized than ever before.
@@2nerC9 who knows. Might have something to do with it.
As a currently pregnant lady whose anxiety skyrocketed in pregnancy- thank you. There is so much fear mongering to pregnant women and it’s so scary. You just want to protect your baby who you know is so vulnerable and so small and it starts to feel like nothing is safe- then people tell you that feeling anxious will hurt the baby too and I’ve just felt like I’m failing my baby this whole pregnancy.
As an organic chemist, I appreciate the more in-depth discussion of the mechanism of sunburn. The phrase 2+2 cycloaddition makes me feel right at home.
After I uploaded I realised I accidentally said "the double bond moves" instead of "the bond moves", I was hoping no one would notice but may as well come clean now 😅
People that have never been to Australia don’t even know that one could get sunburned in literally 10 min outside - go to Queensland and then you’ll start wearing 50++++ in your home with the blinds down 😂👌🏻
Australia had me wearing spf 75 on overcast days 😭
australia sun is brutal just like the wildlife in there 😂
It's d same in india, d tropical overhead sun, d heat, d humidity n water scarcity is a deadly cocktail
@@coffee_2234Australia wants people 💀
Tasmania is surprisingly bad! It's usually cold, but your skin feels strangely painful...
I'm SICK of Andrew Huberman. He's constantly getting promoted by youtube and I'm not gonna listen to his opinions and recommendations on literally anything and everything just because he's an expert in one thing.
Honestly I don't think he is asking anyone to stop using sunscreen he just he doesn't cuz he found molecules in neurones. Ppl can think for themselves right?
Am still gonna use sunscreen lol😂
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As a biologist I'm ashamed of Hubrisman
I tried to rebuke you in all caps and then put emojis 1 through 10 afterwards, but I got auto-flagged as spam. You're lucky youtube hates and crimps my style.
I made sunscreen exactly once…I got sunburned within half an hour. Lesson learned.
I lost an older friend to melanoma two years ago. She beat every expectation by living for sixteen years with stage IV melanoma. But it was brutal, and she suffered a lot.
Margaret had a message for everyone at her funeral, delivered by her daughter: Wear sunscreen. Always.
The major problem is people speaking outside their expertise. Huberman has been called out on this so many times but his following are cultish and believe everything he says. They’re at risk for getting burned and even skin cancer. He himself looks significantly older. He’s only 48, but he looks a decade older with leathery wrinkled skin of a 65 year old. He shouldn’t be speaking outside his expertise. He’s profiting by fear mongering.
Believing someone is right about everything because they were right about a bunch of things is the real problem. Anyone with decent parents probably gave them "life changing advice" at some point, but no one even listens to their parents about everything.
I’m annoyed that Huberman leans on his credentials as a Stanford Medicine professor, when he doesn’t teach and his “lab” nowadays is just one or two researchers who he mostly ignores.
It took that New York Magazine exposé to bring that to light, although the focus ended up being on his sketchy dating practices.
Crap like this discredits the legit work that the rest of Stanford Medicine faculty and researchers are doing.
It's all about money... controversys bring more attention an money.
@catc8927 so was he never a professor there or?
@@catc8927Mind sharing where I can find that exposé on? (as in keywords). I used to listen to his podcasts about sleep so I was fascinated with his content.
21:08 typical fearmongering rhetoric: "nobody can say the effects after 50 years, so it must be bad."
So real. And meanwhile we DO know the damage the sun does if we’re exposed to it for 50 years 😭 still people would rather cling onto the imaginary
This is how I feel about people who are scared of toothpaste too.
Whenever I hear "Increased rates of (medical condition) in the last x years" I always think "Yeah, increased rate of DIAGNOSIS in the last x years."
And no one ever talks about the falls in other diagnoses as we either got better at diagnosing things or treating them. Like the rise in autism diagnoses coincides with a fall in schizophrenia diagnoses because it used to be the case that basically everything got diagnosed as schizophrenia. Similarly rising cancer rates coincides with a fall in deaths from infectious diseases because when people stopped dying of turbecolosis they started living long enough to die from cancer instead.
The sunscreen during pregnancy thing absolutely drives me mad - it's such an emotionally fraught time, and when you're told you MUST use sunscreen because your skin is more sensitive, but you're also receiving the message all over the place that sunscreen is dangerous and will harm your baby, the outcome is inevitably that a percentage of pregnant women will either get burnt, or stop going outside altogether. My sister refused to wear any spf during pregnancy and she has a scientific background, so it can strike anyone.
People consciously preying on first time mothers wanting to do the best thing for their baby deserve jail time. We really ought to fight misinformation as not only it causes harm, but incidences of restrictive eating disorders and OCD are increasing as well. Fearmongering makes people paranoid and unsure whom they can trust due to strategies used by people using fear to make money. It's despicable.
Don't stop going outside altogether, but if you avoid going outside between 10AM and 4PM you are not very likely to get burned (edit: and avoiding some fruits like citrus helps a lot too)
@@defeqel6537 Wtf? Stop SPREADING MISINFORMATION. You can get burned anytime during the day, even on overcast days. Avoiding citrus in the Sun is the only thing you said backed up by science. Get a better hobby than trying to kill people with skin cancer misinformation.
My friend died from melanoma aged 34 and a friend’s sister died aged 32. I have many friends who have had skin cancers removed. Just wear sunscreen.
Oh how sad! I’m so sorry to hear that.
I've heard that the melanomas that kill us don't usually arise in places the sun would be hitting
Still wearing my sunscreen even indoors cuz I'm combatting dark spots that would come back if I didn't, I'm not looking for excuses to not wear sunscreen, I'm just saying that sunscreen preventing skin cancer might not be as straightforward as we've been telling each other
What did she eat on the regular though because the chemicals in sunscreen are terrible . Slathering babies with chemicals seems insane to me . Trying not to get sun ever is insane too .. I believe people are lied to about skin cancer in general .
I got melanoma at 21 and wore sunscreen religiously at the time. I changed my diet, wear sunscreen far less, and never found another sign of melanoma after 22 years. I increased red meat significantly. I now also don't eat seed oils.
@@NoOctopussWere you stressed ? Or had a traumatic event before the diagnosis ?
A friend of mine has lupus and her rheumatologist told her to only use mineral sunscreen (lupus causes photosensitivity so sunscreen is imperative). When prompted the doctor said it's because she wouldn't have to reapply a mineral sunscreen as often as chemical sunscreen. It's really a shame that, like you said, doctors' misunderstanding of cosmetic science can impact patients skin health, especially for people who are more sensitive. Especially since mineral sunscreen (tend to) suck and you end up using less than what's advisable.
Unfortunately she is actually lucky the dr mentioned sunscreen at all. I found out the importance from lupus website
@@user-lp5ci9bi2j that's terrible. But I'm glad the lupus foundation website exists, it's a great resource
As someone who could be considered an expert in a field, you'll notice a real expert because they immediately caveat what they say and the limits of their expertise even in their field. It's actually a problem in science communication because lay people see this reticence for absolutes as though we're unsure.
It is so fucking exhausting how over the past 10 years we've globally adopted this culture of "everyone's wrong and my criticisms are useful because I can use Google".
@@rawkhawk414 Dunning-Kruger suuuuuucks
Actually the exact opposite is true. When "experts" give unequivocal advice about a topic where a lot of uncertaintly exists and they turn out to be wrong, THAT is when they lose public trust.
*cough cough, you know like pretty much everything related to the pandemic, all kinds of health interventions and food
@@jonnynice8366 Sounds more like you already made up your mind on what you want to be true and based your view of the world on it.
@@hedgehog3180 lol, no. I actually enjoy nothing more than changing my mind based on evidence and logic.
You go girl. Huberman takedown: not going out of your way to do it; not going out of your way to avoid it. Perfectly done.
all this time I thought I was just overly sensitive as a child because I used to hate wearing high spf sunscreen, when in reality they really have gotten less irritating since then
Same. That Johnson's & Johnson's sunscreen burned the hell outta my skin and my mom thought I was just being whiny and difficult and kept buying it.
It's wild - when I first started blogging in 2011 I remember it being hard to find a sunscreen over SPF 15 that felt nice! Now my top sunscreen list keeps growing and it's almost all SPF 50+ 😀
I have MCAS had a very hard time with sunscreen until I was 40 and found Korean sunscreen. They all burned my eyes and made they inflamed for many days or ever weeks after. In one year I tried over 35 sunscreens!! Thank UA-cam where I heard about K Beauty sunscreens
YES. I thought that's what it was supposed to feel like 😭
As a child I thought it is supposed to burn. As an adult I found out I'm sensitive to Octocrylene and Perfumes. Iam so thankful for new modern sunscreen filters.
“She’s a doctor not a dermatologist this time” 😂😂😂 pick me up off the floor LOL
She has never once claimed to be a Dermatologist. She made a whole video speaking on her credentials and showed her diploma. Don't know why Michelle said this...
@@AricaMichellewell Doctor V has claimed multiple, lets says, dermatological statements in the pasts that are not true, like the one in the video. She also doesnt like chemical sunscreen because of that news about going into tje blood stream, and she also believes in the comedogenic rating. 😅
@@AricaMichelleI always thought she was a dermatologist until this video. I think Dr V is a little misleading.
@@AricaMichelleI took it to mean that a lot of the doctors she reacts to are dermatologists, rather than another discipline
sunscreen and bug repellant are 2 things where I dont fuck with the natural versions. give me that all-chemical protection babyy
Same. I have to wear the highest deet concentration or i will get bit by something
As a melanated person whose uncle died due to skin cancer, i will never quit telling people to wear sunscreen!!!!
I've never been to Australia nor worn one of those hats, but that teacher screaming at Tim really got me
Every school has a little shit called Tim!
I laughed out loud! So good!
@@LabMuffinBeautyScience Also lets give credit to the flaps joke! You are my new favourite you-tuber ;)
After watching your review on Korean sunscreens I purchased Isntree Hyaluronic Acid Watery Sun Gel SPF 50+ and Beauty of Joseon SPF 50+. WOW. America has it all wrong! These sunscreens are so lightweight and because they don't cause me to break out I don't mind wearing SPF during the winter or while indoors. Thanks for having our back, front and all the bits between!
K beauty sunscreens are the best - nothing compares in my opinion
I literally use the BoJ as MOISTURIZER. It’s that nice! 🤓
@@ambergerhelper7852oh, you rich rich 😏
and boj doesn’t sting your eyes!!
Thank you for bringing to my attention what Hubberman said 😮 I am actually a Neuroscientist, and I always found the way Huberman present "facts' a bit weird. I always feel suspicious when people are too certain about something, that is not how science works. But, I thought it was okay, maybe it was a just my impression. But now hearing that he doesn't wear sunscreen, I cannot take him seriously anymore.
From my memory he suggested to get exposed to early sun for the purpose of vit D synthesis, not so much frying in the sun without sunscreen
@@esvedra2419 You can also just take vitamin supplements though.
@@hedgehog3180 vitamin D supplements are often poorly absorbed, you can take highest dose and still be deficient.
as an oily girl with acne, i feel really bad just watching at this diy sunscreen 😭
Sometimes i wonder how some of these charlatans sleep at night. Do they completely buy into their own BS? Do they know that they're spreading dangerous lies? I honestly don't know which is worse.
Probably. Considering most of them look like beef jerky.
Yes, they sleep like babies. It's possible when u don't hav a conscience. U wudnt believe how happy ppl can be while conning others, until u actually come across one such person.
@@xyz-jv9df god, if I found out I took money from someone under false pretenses I'd never sleep again
I imagine they focus on the money lol
Reminds me of some scammer who constantly talks about medbeds xD keeps saying it’ll heal everything and you don’t need to go to the doctors or hospital at all. So people with cancer aren’t getting treatment because they believe some quackadoodle. And if people call her out or people who listen then ended up super sick almost died from listening to her advice. They literally get blocked and comments are deleted… she literally is killing people and stealing money from these people… tf
That dramatic re-enactment “Tim, put down your flap” with the black and white filter, squinting, and pauses in between each Tim just TOOK ME OUT. What a masterpiece, Michelle.
i feel like i’ve been transported back to primary school honestly LMAO 😭
"Avoiding sunscreens because of tryclosanes would be like avoiding refridgerators because you don't like dial-up internet - it's not around anymore, and was never in that thing in the first place" 😂
Thank you, Michelle, for the feature. It's always a thrill to see "experts" getting lost in the maze of their own overconfidence!
Thank you for letting me use your video! I always appreciate your insights, there are so few toxicologists on social media 🥲
Huberman is constantly making ridiculous claims. It's extremely disheartening to see the number of people he's taking advantage of.
I am extra annoyed with him for tarnishing Stanford Medicine’s good name in the process. There are dozens of hard working legit non-quacks there who are now indirectly associated with this very public quack.
Of all the off-the-rails scientists out there, he's been by far the most disappointing, and continues to be. The most infuriating thing about is that he is still very much aware how to sound like a scientist (i.e. being careful to appear moderate, reference peer review and studies, etc.), and has avoided cultivating a red-flag bombastic persona. This is what makes his BS even more impactful.
He is one of the few that actually knows what he talks about. Do you have any examples of falsehoods?
Mika did you watch the video you commented on
@@MissMovies29yes I did. He said ‘certain sunscreens’ (NOT ALL). And he is most likely referring to old sunscreens from the 80s as they would be the only ones that could have been tested after 10 years. He didn’t make any crazy claim in this video? Also, he was the only one in this video that didn’t.
So question remains, do you have any example where he has said anything fraudulent or obviously wrong?
Tallow sunscreen guy looks sunburnt tbh
I don't think it's just the sun...
Roasted
Fully cooked 🍳
“Nobody gets burned in 20 min” ma’am, I fell asleep next to a lake in Colorado for MAYBE 15 min and had a 3rd degree sunburn and sun poisoning. Maybe you can’t get a sunburn in 20 min at sea level and nearer to the north and South Poles, but there are absolutely places you can burn very very fast.
It's intriguing how individuals often portray themselves as authorities on subjects when, in truth, they're simply misinformed!
0:41 Somebody said it last time but I'm not gonna trust the sunscreen recipe of someone who currently has a sunburn, and whose skin looks like beef jerky
"Lineoleic acid is bad for you."
It's literally one of only TWO essential fatty acids, and arguably the more essential of the two. Fail on skincare *and* nutrition for the man who rubs a weird snack on his skin.
Pufas oxidize. Saturated fat does not. Since being ketovore I never burn in the sun anymore. Eating seed oils makes you burn.
@@juliamanning2658
"biochemistry shmiochemistry, i'm on a fad diet and have anecdotal claims"
edit to add: literally all fats oxidize. it'd be bad if they didn't.
It does appear to be quite bad for you, yes, mainly in the excessive quantities that are obtained in modern diets. Obviously humans need a small amount of Omega-6 but that low threshold is met while actively avoiding seed oils and linoleic acid in foods.
@juliamanning2658 Ever heard of cognitive bias?
@@juliamanning2658everything oxidizes, stoopid.
Here in Sweden we have a woman called Johanna Gillbro who has a doctorate in experimental and clinical dermatology and is one of Sweden's leading skin experts. She talks a lot about how many sunscreens have hormonal disrupting ingredients and should be avoided. She is an expert in skincare and is a doctor and scientist. It is really hard to know these days who to trust. Every scientist and expert says different things.
I’ve seen Australian schoolkids with the hats and thought it was just a weird uniform 😭 it makes so much sense that it’s for sun protection!
I am from Florida where our UV index is almost always super high and I really wish we had had that kind of education as kids. I had SO many awful sunburns
i have a sun sensitivity, lady i DO get burned in 20 min direct sun even with SPF 50+ on a UV rating of 4+ usually not on 3 and below ut sunscreen at UV rating 2+ is a MUST for me. commenting to promote your content, love your videos!
Thank you! ❤
That woman who says nobody burns in twenty minutes in direct sunlight needs to explain how I have burned in less than that time on a partly overcast spring day in Scotland (not exactly a high UV hotspot and I have the complexion of someone adapted to Northern Europe.
i'm as brown as i can be and mid day is 40°c in bangkok so yes, you can literally burn within 10-20mins
i'm from a nordic country living in QLD australia. it's trivially easy to burn in 5 minutes or less. zinc sunscreen is the only way i can exist outside when the sun is bad.
I've never burned in india. But also, I'm an introvert who rarely leaves her house 😅 I am the only person in my department who wears sunscreen and I've been teased about it but IDC I'm 30 and i don't wanna get skin cancer or look too old 😭
Its a shame because I believe you are correct. People intentionally misuse the term "holistic" to seem more knowledgeable than they are. They have no training in holistic medicine and have a less than minimal understanding of how these things work. It's wild.
As someone studying Science and looking to go into a field similar to yours, I'm really grateful that there are such good science communicators out there like yourself. As someone who fell into the mineral is better than chemical myths, it was a relief to be pulled out of that fallacy in a way that respects my intelligence and informs me so comprehensively.
I've been a fan of your videos for a long time now, and you honestly inspire me to have a career in toxicology, or even strive to be a science communicator such as yourself. The work you do is very important, and thank you for always engaging in the uphill (and often thankless) battle of challenging science misinformation.
The same people who focus on cosmetics being unhealthy for our bodies turn a blind eye to oil spills being bad for our planet. Thank you for this therapy session Michelle!
"You need violence to do that. " 😂
Animal-based should be called violence-based or cruelty based.
Vegan people gonna have a field day with that one
My grandma will always keep my faith that over exposure to the sun is not good for our skin. She’s always diligently used spf never goes out in direct sunlight without a huge sun hat and glasses. She has aged brilliantly at 80 years old. She is often mistaken as my mothers sister despite a 30 year age gap!
I have avoided the sun and used sunscreen since my early 20’s and my sister who is two years older than me was a sunworshiper. She has had multiple skin cancers removed (hands, face, and arms). And I make a point of saying she’s my sister so no one calls her my mother, it would kill her if someone did.
I used to follow dr Vanita but I found that a lot of stuff she says is so extreme. Her whole anti-chemical sunscreen and all that hormone imbalance and pregnancy stuff seems insane to me. I use chemical European, Japanese and Korean sunscreens all the time and they work perfectly in protecting me from the sun. LRP ones are all chemical and worked perfectly when I went to Dubai, pretty strong stuff.
If you told me in my 20s that I'd be sooooo excited to watch a 45-minute video on sunscreen science in my 40s, I absolutely wouldn't believe you. But here we are! Love the debunking so we can all take it to people in our lives who repeat things like this that they've heard and continue to share solid information with people we care about. Thank you, Michelle!
I’m 19 and I love watching her videos😂 I’ve been wearing sunscreen on and off since 16 as recommended by a doctor following an epiduo prescription for acne, and consistently since 17years old.
It’s crazy to see that people “don’t believe” in sunscreen… I try to get everyone my age to wear it!
@@LeilalareinaGood for you! It will help so much, and I hope your friends listen to you…then they’ll thank you later!
@@Leilalareina Wear it every day! Skin damage is cumulative and builds over your lifetime. Plus you will look younger than everyone who doesn't wear it.
All the conspiritualists being so scared of linoleic acid, meanwhile I eat it as a supplement for my PMS.
I used to take an omega blend with evening primrose oil in it, it helped my KP!
Inositol was a literal lifesaver for my previously debilitating periods - just sharing in case anyone else is reading this & hasn't heard of it. You can find it in stuff like wheatgerm but taking a pill has helped me so much (along with maintaining my vitamin D and iron levels).
I take it for MS. It's been 30 years now and, not only do I have no Iil effects from it, my MS has not progressed WHATSOEVER. I am 51, fully ambulatory and haven't had a relapse in over 2 decades.
I hate these people.
This comment is metal af
Girl, I've watched your channel for some years now. And you are still CRIMINALLY UNDERRATED!!! The amount of Skincare Knowledge and Scientific research you bring to your videos is astounding. Just watching the part about Huberman and the people telling you that you don't do enough research which is so ironic. Your work is great and I didn't even know you wrote a book, so already on my way to order it!
You and Dr Dray calling this crap out, I hate when people make crap up just because. I need to buy your book ASAP.
I did find one valuable thing about homemade sunblock. WAIT, DON'T RUN.
I live in Seattle, where the sun is weak for most of the year. Several years back, I decided to add some zinc oxide to my everyday lotion, just so I had some basic protection on my arms/neck/shoulders while walking to work. (I wear real sunblock when I'm out for long, don't worry.)
And...my skin was really happy about it. Surprising happy.
Turns out I have a zinc deficiency. (I take it as a supplement now.)
Happy how?
@@No-ky3kb Mostly I remember that insect bites and acne healed really slowly, and I was prone to some sort of mild eczema or keratosis pilaris. Taking zinc isn't a miracle cure for all of that, but I have experienced a noticeable improvement.
Thank you ma'am for stoping misinformation from spreading by spiting nothing but facts on how things work
My pleasure! The annoyance fuels me 😂
@@LabMuffinBeautyScience That same annoyance you have to be patient with (out of respect) when hearing your loved one watch fear-driven claims, and instead have to trust their ability to assess the information. 😄 I am glad you are using that energy to create these informative videos that our friends may find and make the better decision.
Thank you for highlighting that even doctors and dermatologists can get it wrong. They could benefit mightily from reading your book!!
Thank you for this video! The atlantic just published an article (june 2024 issue) titled "against sunscreen absolutism". They say that Australia is backtracking its sunscreen recommendations because of scientific studies that claim that vitamin d supplementation is not as beneficial as """"real""" vitamin d produced through sun exposure. They say that their opinion is the more science based one etc. and is more complicated to debunk because of the style of the article (they mention studies but do not cite theme etc.). I would love for you to debunk/discuss it and assess if their argument is valid or if they are just cherry picking.
The Australian guidelines haven't actually been backtracked, it's just been clarified for darker skin types - I've talked about the older guidelines (mostly for light skin) here: ua-cam.com/video/CAqRMr47KWk/v-deo.html
I was thinking about doing an update on the new guidelines because they're quite complex, but the to-do list is very long!
@LabMuffinBeautyScience Thank you for taking the time to answer! Yes, the rationale behind the new guidelines seems quite complex and that's why I find it concerning that the atlantic mixes them with claims about MS and how efficient vitamin d supplements are.
Anyway, I'm looking forward to any new content you post, be it on the new guidelines or not! (I watch on nebula, I was very happy to see your videos there!)
Thank you for this video. The misinformation I have seen about sunscreen and summer skincare is rampant and dangerous.
Agree all of this misinformation make my brain hurt and im tired of all of this misinformation being spread especially if it perpetuating by someone who isn't educated of how things works
Omg reef safe sunscreen being a myth is crazy! Thanks for debunking lol
I drove myself mad trying to find reefsafe sunscreen that I liked and would wear... (I got an insane allergic reaction to one of the mineral ones that supposedly was great for sensitive skin)
I just wanna do the right thing and help preserve nature so its kind of a bummer that it doesn't really make a difference
Every time I watch one of your videos, I'm flabbergasted that you don't have a million followers yet. Thank you for such an in-depth breakdown!
I went to the blog you linked in the description as debunking the "seed oils are bad" position. It didn't check out. The major meta-analysis cited by that blog flat out concluded that there was no all-cause mortality benefit to replacing saturated fat with other dietary elements.
I am definitely going to describe apoptosis as cellular seppuku in my next biology test!
I bear no responsibility for your exam decisions 😅
When an immune cell orders it I sorta imagine it like a prison guard handing an inmate a gun and giving a nod to them so they know what to do.
I used to avoid wearing sunscreen because of all these myths or “reasons to not wear sunscreen,” until I got a questionable mole removed. After that, I decided that even if all these things about sunscreen were true, I would hate getting melanoma even more. It’s crazy to me that there are actually people like Huberman, who weigh their fear of sunscreen at the same level as skin cancer. It’s unfortunate that misinformation about sunscreen is so prevalent and in turn, that’s causing people to either use sunscreen incorrectly or avoid it altogether.
I'm going to start an apprenticeship as a Gardener in September and I'm really glad you uploaded this! I'm not prone to conspiracy thinking about sunscreen (of all things) but as someone who is from Western Europe and usually spends a lot of time indoors, I definitely don't wear enough sunscreen. Luckily my (soon to be) place of work is really rigorous with applying sunscreen, drinking water and wearing hats
"they don't look like they're into skincare" that was such a nasty read, Michelle I'm laughing my a off 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Paul Saladino looks like he has skin of 60 year old
Damaged, dry and leather like.
I don't think it's just overexposure to the sun, but his appearance has changed drastically over the last few years. I believe he had health problems that triggered his switch from carnivore to "animal-based"...
Huberman has been getting exposed by a bunch of experts in different fields lol
I love how you debunk these influencer's claims with such elegance and without shaming, but some of these if not all of them need to be proper shamed for what they are doing. also I love the Brandolini in the back :)
I got confused by sunscreen season, then I realised a lot of your audience is in the US. Of course for us Down Under every season (not that we have seasons in Brisvegas other than "Hot and Wet" and "Warm and Dry") is sunscreen season. 😁
It's super weird - I'm digging out my electric blanket while people are asking me about sunscreen for swimming!
@@LabMuffinBeautyScience I’ve always avoided electric blankets due to my mom’s confirmation biases (or maybe they were more unsafe like 15+ years ago). She’s a nurse and saw enough people with burns from it catching on fire that she was like NO ELECTRIC BLANKETS. She did offer to get me one last Christmas so yay change.
My parents are convinced they cause leukemia... I turn it off before I get into bed, not so much because of the risk, but because I'll never hear the end of it if I get leukemia!
@@LabMuffinBeautyScience That is a very odd concern! But it’s too relatable to do things even as adults to not hear the parental “told you so”.
@@AM-tl1xi It is totally possible to engineer an electric blanket that can't catch on fire, as long as the consumer doesn't do something stupid. Though I'd be more concerned about electricity bills compared to just using a thicker blanket.
Andrew Huberman is the modern day Dr Oz
Can I just say the way you break things down and make arguments is so helpful and has helped the way I respond to ocd anxieties. Listening to your process over and over again is a great influence even though I’ve known the specific information for a couple years and am not too invested in that part.
So grateful to have this on my feed! The world of TikTok advice is crazy 😧 good to see some efforts to mitigate the harm being done❤
It's funny that chemical sunscreens are called "organic." Lol. That must drive these folks nuts. 😅
Just wanted to say a massive thank you for recommending the neutrogena zinc stick for sting prone eyes. I’m 29 and finally have found something that works on my eyelids and under eye areas without issue! Only wish I found it sooner but now use it religiously. Thank you so much!
THANK GOD for this channel🙏. In the age of social media, misinformation is just everywhere. SUBSCRIBED.
As someone with a degree in biochemistry from 15 years ago who doesn’t use it in her current work, I loved the chemistry lesson and completely understood the diagrams in science! Thanks for the “throwback” for me 😂
Your analogy about avoiding refrigerators because you don't like dial-up internet is making me periodically chuckle to myself, seemingly out of nowhere, like a crazy person. Thanks for that 😂
I watched Dr. Huberman once and never again. Some people just cant see certain things.
Because he’s wrong about this one thing he’s wrong about everything? He’s a very smart man who surrounds himself with other smart people and FREELY gives out information. You seem closed minded
There's no one on the internet that has podcasts about health and science as much as he does. Like him or not, he has helped a lot of people.
@@7ShadowMaiden7he's incorrect about many things plus his credentials ≠ he knows every field. he should stick to his field of studies or actually invite a guest who's actually KNOWLEDGEABLE not some anti-science misinformation paddlers. he's been called out multiple times now but he refuses to acknowledge it and it doesn't help that most people are gullible, they see stanford, they believe it.
Creeps me out that he’s a womanizer. It’s apparently consensual and with adults but I still feel that as a profession it can (not always) be fishy when someone with authority has a bunch of side chick. Mostly because I knew a teacher who did that and it was a weird power dynamic to be around
@@7ShadowMaiden7Huberman is barely present at Stanford nowadays. According to the NY Mag article about him, in 2020, he moved to the wrong end of California (LA, not Bay Area, 350 miles away).
His lab is basically defunct. Their Stanford Medicine webpage doesn’t list any current or past graduate students, post docs, current grants, conference presentations, paper awards, recent publications, or anything else (group ski trip photos, graduation photos) that a working research lab group usually has.
I’ve seen emeritus faculty with more fleshed-out group websites than this. In a publish-or-perish industry like academia, having a blank website is a death sentence, so this is quite unusual.
Judging by this lack of activity, Huberman is now a full-time celebrity and podcaster, far removed from his original research field on optical neurons.
I’m an Aussie doctor working in skin cancer. I love, love, love this. Your explanation of the cellular mechanism for sunburn was more detailed than any lecture I’ve ever seen. I will definitely be recommending this video to my patients!
Glad we have you, Michelle. Thank you.
I’ve said it before but even if the “evidence”is somehow all type 2 errors, I’d still risk whatever they’re claiming over skin cancer
The "SPF measures the time it takes to sunburn" reminds me of how every few years a post will go viral saying the same thing about toaster settings 😅
Tbf no one knows what the knobs on them do.
Just pre-ordered your book! Thanks for trying to stop misinformation!
I can't believe your videos are free! This is fantastic information. Thanks for all your research and debunking these myths! 🙌🏻 There is too much misinformation and poor assumptions floating around.
Did no one tell those stupid scientists that instead of spending years perfecting and testing highly functioning sunscreens in scientifically equipped labs, all they really needed was a pan, some beeswax and a handwhisk!? Simples. 😅
Michelle, you are truly fantastic and a master of your subject. And I think I might just have fallen in love with one guy called Mo. 👏 😍
can't wait to see them turn into roasted pig while trying out their diy 'animal based' sunscreen during this heat wave 🤩
i rlly dont get how they are that pale and want to play around with sunscreen lmao. i have tan skin, and getting burned once was enough to traumatize me to take sunscreen seriously
@@sunfvalleymaybe bcuz they don't actually use d sunscreen. If they only use it for d video, that wud explain d paleness
@@xyz-jv9df seems like it, probably live in europe where it's just not that sunny compared to other regions. they need to be humbled
it hasnt happened to me in 50 years 🤣
@@sunfvalley i guess we just don't really have that much of a sunscreen culture in europe (yet. i think in gen z we are changing that). Aside from going to the beach/pool, the only time i can think of that applying sunscreen is seen as obligatory, kind of, is for mountain sports like hiking, rock climbing or skiing. But I absolutely have seen my white friends get burned from ~15 minutes of sun exposure lol
I could listen your debunking videos about sun protection every day! Thank you, you make my life so much easier.
I had similar sunscreen conversations with friends and work colleagues and I cannot for the love of god understand their resistance to the idea that sunscreens work and are safe. They think I am crazy or “too extreme” because I apply sunscreen twice a day daily.