This channel truly has the best quality serial killer docs. Even though I know so much about many of the ones they do, I always learn something new! This channel deserves so much credit!
@@SerenDipity64711 I hadn't realised she died. I just hope she was able to overcome the horror of what those two beasts inflicted on her, enough to find real joy in her life.
The books Anne Marie West (daughter of Fred and Rena) and Mae West (daughter of Fred and Rose) have written, give a very good insight in what was going on in their household. If you can stomach it, give it a chance!
It must have been Anne Marie's book I have read a quite a few years ago. Horrible, horrible things that girl endured. I have watched the first part of this documentary, which explains more about Anne Marie's mother, Reena.
RIP Heather, Kathryn and every victim. Never forgotten either are the survivors of that household, those brave enough to speak and those not ever able to. ❤
I have seen this series before a few years ago. Since then I have watched a lot of documentaties about serial killers and this case is by far the most depraved of the depraved.
Documentaries twenty-five years ago always said what Fred and Rose actually said which was, "if you scream our black friends are gonna have their way with you and then we're gonna bury you under the pave stones of Gloucester".. Now it's always "our friends are gonna etc" , it's a bit weird though given its just a quote of them. It was entered into court testimony...is someone worried people might think Fred and Rose West were racists as well as serial killers or something?
I noticed language being changed in the last episode too. "Fred got a 13 year old girl pregnant, who was close to the family". It was his 13 year old sister Kitty. Im not sure why we're trying to skirt over certain things here
@@clare2401 I think that might be because of sensitivity towards the brother who says that Fred misrepresented his upbringing, and said he would only participate if he could set record straight about it,'ll have to look it up, but I think the brother would know whether that was true I think Fred west may have lied about his parents to try and make his miss deeds someone else's fault..On the other hand it could be nothing to do with that, maybe it's not a verifiable fact, I will look it up though, maybe you're right, thanks for pointing it out.
There were very few black people in Gloucester back then. If the were involved they would be easily found today. I haven’t watched this documentary yet, I don’t think so anyway, but my guess Rose would shag anything anyone.
Wow! This is a heavy watch. Very hard to get through. I'm shocked the services at the time didn't catch on. I know some slip through the net and that this was a long time ago....even so!
I read Geoffrey Wansell's book 'An Evil Love' about a year ago and now seeing all these recreations is making it all so horribly real. It was a harrowing read, but actually having these visuals and seeing it all happening is just chilling.
The Police back then - crikey! Really makes you wonder.They were told outright about the bodies in the cellar by the Nanny and obviously, they thought all women were slags. That wasn't that long ago either.
@@MikeBarratt-lk3gt What’s there not to understand? Men can be evil more frequently but women can be more evil less frequently. Think about a paedophile ring, 5 men and 1 woman and she is having sex with them all. How much power do you think that woman has over the men?
The reason they got away with this for so long was because there victim were the underclass if they had been killing professionals like business women they would not of got away with it for so long.
I got involved with a weird family when I was a 15yr old run away...they made me feel good and worthy(for a while) one tried to rape me, I got away..and a father and son had me pinned trying it on with me...I fought then they accused me of stealing from them to make me look bad...luckily my parents didn't give up on me and fought to have me put in care. I am a gloucester girl...the family and their friends used and abused me when I looked to them for safety. This was 95. Although they wasn't murderers...quite a few families of low income and intelligence then acted similarly to the west's. And men on underage girls was very common.
Because she was an alcoholic sex worker who was only interested in herself. If she had taken the girls she'd have had the hassle of finding someone to watch them, not being able to take on particular jobs....it would have been a complete inconvenience to her. They were all wrong'uns
Much the same reason a lot of females give their parents to look after their children. Drugs and alcohol, poor parenting and crap genes. One or all of the above. Women should really be means tested these days to see if they’re fit to be good mothers.
@@Summermute7 Well I see it’s a foregone conclusion in your opinion, hence your disingenuous sympathy. I would love to hear your rationale behind that statement and back it up, specifically referencing the text I submitted. Then I’d like to know what’s so different in my statement to that of @clare2401 and her other statement that she made two comments above and under replies to @moohoho123 comment and tell me if you would make the same sweeping statement to her that you did to me? Once you’ve done your homework above, I would then like to know the following. Are you happy for society to continue to degenerate further into the cesspit it already is? I’m at odds to come to the conclusion that you could be so sheltered or indeed stupid enough to believe that single parenthood is or has been a success over the past 50 years, to the point that it has benefited society as a whole.
Apparently she was said to be quite attractive when she was young. I didn’t think much of her when she was caught in the 90s, she looked frumpy and unattractive by that point.
Highlyyy recommend Scott & Bailey, a detective series from ~10 years ago, by the incredible Sally Wainwright (Happy Valley, etc.). The Season 3 story-arc is based on the Gloucester case, starring Nicola Walker as one of the surviving adult children. It's fantastic!
I can’t get my head around this mother reena who keeps jumping in an out of her daughters lives after years - “trying to get kids back “ load of bollocks . She was irresponsible an could hv took her kids by there hands away from them .
It makes one wonder if she did it just to say she did, so she would be able to tell others (but especially men) that it's not her fault, it's her ex and his evil wife's doing! You know 🤨, like dad's do when they meet a new woman, they're suddenly interested in the children🙃 he hasn't spoken with for months, now! It makes me CrAzY!🙈
@ScorpioDog1211 Oh, stop it. The only victims here were those children. Rena Costello was an alcoholic sex worker. She made herself a priority over those children. We get women in exactly the same position today, the only difference is the children would be taken off of them and put into care. We need to stop making excuses for women's crappy behaviour, especially when it revolves around children. At any stage she could have contacted the authorities to let them know what was going on, but she didn't because she knew it would shine a light on her and her lifestyle
@fussyjupiter217 I'm not personally invested in anything. You tried to insinuate I wanted the woman murdered because she was a crappy mother.....no one said she deserved anything. Then, because you didn't like my response, you then tried gaslighting me by saying IVE got a problem. A conversation would have been "Yes, I agree she was a bad mother, how do you think she should have dealt with Fred?"
Reena just left her Children in the care of a teen-age girl and a perverted men, Who does that!! Whilst not directly responsible, she still had a hand in her daughters death. She paid the price . She should have just taken them with some back up!
I 'm discovering your channel with this horrible story.i didn't know the West's evil story in details .it's much worse than i thought,really twisted couple.i 'm suscribing to your channel .RIP to the victims.
As someone who witnessed domestic violence against my mother as a child, and endured physical, sexual, and mental torment at the hands of my father, this really resonates with me. The fear those poor women and children felt. Unless you've been through it yourself, you have no idea how much it fucks you up for the rest of your life.
Not the point of " this is before we " you police officers lost people because you were not bothered about the victims or what they said. For that you're as guilty of their murders as the two that did it.
A lot of the time the women they picked up were lured there and sometimes it was in broad daylight. They also did lots of lifts where they didn’t kill them just dropped them off to build up reputation, the large family was a front. All planned. They’ll answer for what they did the hard way in the afterlife
Fred is being interviewed at the Cop Shop How many people did you kill Fred? About six or seven........ We dug a Dozen up......I am a Builder....That is just an Estimate
Did you here about the time Rose fainted in court. The judge asked her if she needed a glass of water. She replied, no but I could murder a few tennents.
How the hell did Caroline go the rest of her life, after the suffering she went through and then knowing she was the only one who survived them? That is one strong woman!
The dominant partner in a bdsm relationship is usually the one under the complete control of the submissive one. The sub makes the rules and gives the dom a script to play out.
@@246kisses that's what was printed in the press, and it was her who performed the "punishments" - but, she did it to please Fred. He could control her with a glance. He fabricated tales about his own family, making them out to be monsters to Rosie, and did the same in reverse, causing them to see her as an evil witch.
After a few short visits to a psychology clinic, which didn't happen until after the arrest unfortunately, they were both completely cured and became well rounded individuals, albeit with reduced prospects for the future. Fred formed close friendships with the guards, who expressed that they were sorry to see him go.
Anne Marie must have been devastated to find Charmaine had 'gone to live with her mother'. They only had each other in their little chaotic lives😩
This channel truly has the best quality serial killer docs. Even though I know so much about many of the ones they do, I always learn something new! This channel deserves so much credit!
Rest in peace Caroline - you were so brave to tell your horrific story🥀
Caroline died in 2016🌹
@@SerenDipity64711 I hadn't realised she died. I just hope she was able to overcome the horror of what those two beasts inflicted on her, enough to find real joy in her life.
@@SerenDipity64711😢 rip ❤
me too..@@AngelicAmygdala
The books Anne Marie West (daughter of Fred and Rena) and Mae West (daughter of Fred and Rose) have written, give a very good insight in what was going on in their household. If you can stomach it, give it a chance!
Do you know the titles?
@@Rando15 "Out of the shadows." (1995) and "Love as always, mum." (2018).
@@lexie1302 Thank you so much.
It must have been Anne Marie's book I have read a quite a few years ago. Horrible, horrible things that girl endured. I have watched the first part of this documentary, which explains more about Anne Marie's mother, Reena.
I tried reading one of the books I couldn't I was getting nightmares
RIP Heather, Kathryn and every victim.
Never forgotten either are the survivors of that household, those brave enough to speak and those not ever able to. ❤
I have seen this series before a few years ago. Since then I have watched a lot of documentaties about serial killers and this case is by far the most depraved of the depraved.
Documentaries twenty-five years ago always said what Fred and Rose actually said which was, "if you scream our black friends are gonna have their way with you and then we're gonna bury you under the pave stones of Gloucester".. Now it's always "our friends are gonna etc" , it's a bit weird though given its just a quote of them. It was entered into court testimony...is someone worried people might think Fred and Rose West were racists as well as serial killers or something?
I noticed language being changed in the last episode too. "Fred got a 13 year old girl pregnant, who was close to the family".
It was his 13 year old sister Kitty. Im not sure why we're trying to skirt over certain things here
@@clare2401 I think that might be because of sensitivity towards the brother who says that Fred misrepresented his upbringing, and said he would only participate if he could set record straight about it,'ll have to look it up, but I think the brother would know whether that was true I think Fred west may have lied about his parents to try and make his miss deeds someone else's fault..On the other hand it could be nothing to do with that, maybe it's not a verifiable fact, I will look it up though, maybe you're right, thanks for pointing it out.
welcome to 1984 - the woke age
There were very few black people in Gloucester back then. If the were involved they would be easily found today. I haven’t watched this documentary yet, I don’t think so anyway, but my guess Rose would shag anything anyone.
Woke society now wants to protect black people even when theyre clearly a part of something evil. Must protect the blacks at all costs!
As a couple, What Sick Evil Monsters they where.. CONDOLENCES TO ALL THE FAMILIES🙏💐.RIP TO ALL THE CHILDREN & ALL THE VICTIMS 👼🙏🌹
C'mon man. That was just cruel to end it like that.
Well presented and researched
This couple is by far the most sickening and has been a haunting nightmare since I heard this story years ago . Definitely in my top 10 of evil
What is wrong with the police not investigating anything
That’s what they were like back then it’s how pedo’s used to get away with it so easy
Total incompetence
See something, say something. 💔 rip sweet babies and kids. They didn’t deserve that.
I wish that place would have just hired Heather. 😥
When is the final episode due for release?
Fred and his brother look so much the same 🤷🏻♂️‼️
Right 😳 it’s uncanny
My Mom thought so too.
Wow! This is a heavy watch. Very hard to get through. I'm shocked the services at the time didn't catch on. I know some slip through the net and that this was a long time ago....even so!
It was unbelievably shocking viewing, I agree. I'm not sure that tracking of teenage runaways is better now. I hope it is....but there's a lot of them
I read Geoffrey Wansell's book 'An Evil Love' about a year ago and now seeing all these recreations is making it all so horribly real. It was a harrowing read, but actually having these visuals and seeing it all happening is just chilling.
The Police back then - crikey! Really makes you wonder.They were told outright about the bodies in the cellar by the Nanny and obviously, they thought all women were slags. That wasn't that long ago either.
Could have been the police were involved as is mentioned in another video
There are equally incompetent nowadays; just look at the LISK/Gilgo Beach slayer and Jeffrey Dahmer cases.
Rose was worse than Fred, she was pure evil
When you find evil on this earth, you’ll always find the worst of it in a woman.
@@iant9461not sure what you mean by that
@@MikeBarratt-lk3gt
What’s there not to understand? Men can be evil more frequently but women can be more evil less frequently.
Think about a paedophile ring, 5 men and 1 woman and she is having sex with them all. How much power do you think that woman has over the men?
He was already a cold blooded killer when they met when she was 15. She became more brutal than Fred.
@@cassiebennet4262 no not really he carried on killing and dismembering bodies
Evil couple.
OMG Caroline didn’t press rape charges!?? 😱😳
The reason they got away with this for so long was because there victim were the underclass if they had been killing professionals like business women they would not of got away with it for so long.
Not all victims were
I got involved with a weird family when I was a 15yr old run away...they made me feel good and worthy(for a while) one tried to rape me, I got away..and a father and son had me pinned trying it on with me...I fought then they accused me of stealing from them to make me look bad...luckily my parents didn't give up on me and fought to have me put in care. I am a gloucester girl...the family and their friends used and abused me when I looked to them for safety. This was 95. Although they wasn't murderers...quite a few families of low income and intelligence then acted similarly to the west's. And men on underage girls was very common.
@@cherihayward350So glad you got away from them.
Hi where is part three thanks
It’ll probably be up in a few days. The first part was up 6 or so days ago.
It says there is a 3rd video but hidden so hopefully is released for the weekend viewing lol
Where? is part 3
Why did Reena leave her kids in the first place??!!
Because she was an alcoholic sex worker who was only interested in herself. If she had taken the girls she'd have had the hassle of finding someone to watch them, not being able to take on particular jobs....it would have been a complete inconvenience to her.
They were all wrong'uns
Much the same reason a lot of females give their parents to look after their children. Drugs and alcohol, poor parenting and crap genes. One or all of the above. Women should really be means tested these days to see if they’re fit to be good mothers.
@@iant9461, it sounds like some woman hurt you, you poor thing.
@@Summermute7
Well I see it’s a foregone conclusion in your opinion, hence your disingenuous sympathy.
I would love to hear your rationale behind that statement and back it up, specifically referencing the text I submitted.
Then I’d like to know what’s so different in my statement to that of @clare2401 and her other statement that she made two comments above and under replies to @moohoho123 comment and tell me if you would make the same sweeping statement to her that you did to me?
Once you’ve done your homework above, I would then like to know the following.
Are you happy for society to continue to degenerate further into the cesspit it already is?
I’m at odds to come to the conclusion that you could be so sheltered or indeed stupid enough to believe that single parenthood is or has been a success over the past 50 years, to the point that it has benefited society as a whole.
@@iant9461, I just noticed this isn’t your only misogynist comment on this video. Walks like a duck, talks like a duck. It’s probably a 🦆.
These actors portraying Fred and Rose are too sympathetic.
And the actress they cast as Rose is so pretty! WTF!
Charmaine was at the Hospital with a knife cut on her ankle, and NO ONE did anything!!???
Real life devil's regects.
Oh dear the acting - I’m pretty sure rose west didn’t have a french manicure at that time 🙄
RIP to Kathryn, and RIP to all the people who did die under the hands of the vile West's.
The actress portraying Rose is way to attractive.
Apparently she was said to be quite attractive when she was young. I didn’t think much of her when she was caught in the 90s, she looked frumpy and unattractive by that point.
Look at the younger pictures of Rose - she isn’t ugly.
She was apparently attractive!
I KNOW, I am watching this thinking the same
Rest in peace Caroline, Kathryn, Heather, and every other victim :(
Highlyyy recommend Scott & Bailey, a detective series from ~10 years ago, by the incredible Sally Wainwright (Happy Valley, etc.). The Season 3 story-arc is based on the Gloucester case, starring Nicola Walker as one of the surviving adult children. It's fantastic!
I feel sick. 🤢. Imagine admitting to a relationship with those TWO
Poor Heather West so sad.
Where is the last part? How they wete found out?
10:20 Surprised Fred could afford an Old Bailey Solicitor.
I can’t get my head around this mother reena who keeps jumping in an out of her daughters lives after years - “trying to get kids back “ load of bollocks . She was irresponsible an could hv took her kids by there hands away from them .
It makes one wonder if she did it just to say she did, so she would be able to tell others (but especially men) that it's not her fault, it's her ex and his evil wife's doing!
You know 🤨, like dad's do when they meet a new woman, they're suddenly interested in the children🙃 he hasn't spoken with for months, now!
It makes me CrAzY!🙈
and Fred was an angel himself? Classic, blame the victim.
@ScorpioDog1211
Oh, stop it. The only victims here were those children. Rena Costello was an alcoholic sex worker. She made herself a priority over those children.
We get women in exactly the same position today, the only difference is the children would be taken off of them and put into care. We need to stop making excuses for women's crappy behaviour, especially when it revolves around children.
At any stage she could have contacted the authorities to let them know what was going on, but she didn't because she knew it would shine a light on her and her lifestyle
@@fussyjupiter217
Now point out where ANYONE in this entire thread said she deserved to be murdered 🙄
@fussyjupiter217
I'm not personally invested in anything. You tried to insinuate I wanted the woman murdered because she was a crappy mother.....no one said she deserved anything. Then, because you didn't like my response, you then tried gaslighting me by saying IVE got a problem.
A conversation would have been "Yes, I agree she was a bad mother, how do you think she should have dealt with Fred?"
Reena just left her Children in the care of a teen-age girl and a perverted men, Who does that!! Whilst not directly responsible, she still had a hand in her daughters death. She paid the price . She should have just taken them with some back up!
I thought about that too. They really don't go into much detail about her situation at the time. She might not have had any support.
Fred actually had custody and took the girls from Reena
Reena isn't alive to tell her side
I 'm discovering your channel with this horrible story.i didn't know the West's evil story in details .it's much worse than i thought,really twisted couple.i 'm suscribing to your channel .RIP to the victims.
Definitely a Hollywood Rose there
Rose was quite a looker in her early years and Fred was Shrek without the comedy. So what tf happened there then?
Makes you think the police involvement with these murders. Keeping a open mind.😢
Nope!
Off the scale sickening, unimaginable pain, suffering, terror. I hope West is in Hell and that she will follow him soon.
Fred's solicitor making excuses for him blaming rose ,he used her to loure girls cos he knew it was the easiest way.
As someone who witnessed domestic violence against my mother as a child, and endured physical, sexual, and mental torment at the hands of my father, this really resonates with me. The fear those poor women and children felt. Unless you've been through it yourself, you have no idea how much it fucks you up for the rest of your life.
I’m so sorry. You deserved so much better.
I hope you can find some peace and strength as a survivor.
@@Dalabombana Thank you ❤️
It only takes one.
😢😫😭horrible
Not the point of " this is before we " you police officers lost people because you were not bothered about the victims or what they said. For that you're as guilty of their murders as the two that did it.
Before i knew who he was , I thought Fred’s solicitor looked and sounded a bit of a villain ..
hahaha he doesn't look how you'd imagine a solicitor looks!
You’d have to be to represent Fred. Makes you wonder how much he got paid for defending a monster.
Fred rose was not only a sick excuse for a human but that " white man's fro" of his makes him look like he has a gia pet on his head.
Stupid and weird comment mate.
🤣🤣🤣🤣
Lmao
I find the brother a bit strange
Perverts R not charged . . ? . . .
A lot of the time the women they picked up were lured there and sometimes it was in broad daylight. They also did lots of lifts where they didn’t kill them just dropped them off to build up reputation, the large family was a front. All planned. They’ll answer for what they did the hard way in the afterlife
Afterlife? Please grow up🤦♂️
We R being told to trust no one anymore...Sad but apparently true ' ; ' ;
Sad that this is truth for you. I trust my family and friends totally . My doctor and dentist....the list is long. Feel sorry for you!
Fred is being interviewed at the Cop Shop
How many people did you kill Fred?
About six or seven........
We dug a Dozen up......I am a Builder....That is just an Estimate
Did you here about the time Rose fainted in court. The judge asked her if she needed a glass of water. She replied, no but I could murder a few tennents.
How the hell did Caroline go the rest of her life, after the suffering she went through and then knowing she was the only one who survived them? That is one strong woman!
I actually knew a man who told his daughter the same thing about the dad shoukd be the first person u have sex with.
The dominant partner in a bdsm relationship is usually the one under the complete control of the submissive one. The sub makes the rules and gives the dom a script to play out.
I always thought rose was more of the mastermind and Fred just followed behind because he liked it and loved her more than anything else in his life
@@246kisses that's what was printed in the press, and it was her who performed the "punishments" - but, she did it to please Fred. He could control her with a glance. He fabricated tales about his own family, making them out to be monsters to Rosie, and did the same in reverse, causing them to see her as an evil witch.
After a few short visits to a psychology clinic, which didn't happen until after the arrest unfortunately, they were both completely cured and became well rounded individuals, albeit with reduced prospects for the future. Fred formed close friendships with the guards, who expressed that they were sorry to see him go.
Such good looking folk
Jokes and jokes and jokes.
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