The reason Young Link's Bombs did the zoom in is cause it actually hits twice. The first hit spikes hence the zoom in but the second hit sent him upwards.
@@1fellswoop614 I mean jigglypuff was born low tier for the simple reason that high risk, high reward characters tend to be bad that's the same reason why mac and ganon are terrible. She struggles against swords, projectiles and has terrible kill power outside from rest so three new kill confirms isn't enough.
And they think plant is the worst in the game, when plant has so many setups and great damage and KO potential, he has good recovery and amazing advantage state
@@epistarter1136 You Go The Right Hand Corner, and click options and After that You Click on Smash, and it will show a list Of custom Settings, one Settings is labeled custom balance
Arguably people probably don't use it more than they would because you can't use it online. You can't use a lot of custom things that would be online. Which is a little bit ironic given that Smash is primarily a casual party game. The online portion even private games are exclusively more 'serious' matches.
I have an idea that could maybe make the stats more balanced for these videos. Currently, a former top-tier facing a former bottom-tier will have a cumulative stat gap of *60%,* which is kinda bonkers. I have a different scale that could make things a little more even, but still feel different enough from the base game. *Top tier:* Stats reduced by 20%. *High tier:* Stats reduced by 10%. *Mid tier:* Stats unchanged. *Low tier:* Stats increased by 10% *Bottom tier:* Stats increased by 20%. With this scale, the highest cumulative stat gap between characters is only 40%, which is still impactful without being unwinnable. Most matchups will only have a stat gap of 10-20%. Mid tier characters are not directly buffed, but they indirectly benefit from high tier characters and other tough matchups being nerfed, making them feel like more competitive choices overall. I think this could be a decent way to make more characters viable without completely flipping the tier list upside down --like Australia.-- Anyways, great video as always! I'm looking forward to seeing more videos where you mess around with the stat changing feature and play with friends.
@@0yaSumi6908 quick clarification: It probably only does it when at the edge of a platform or at ledge, but I have broken a full shield with a robin rapid jab before when messing w/ custom balance
@@level0maid your right, i at first tried it normally, and it didnt work, then i did it at the ledge and it did! Thats crazy, also thanks for responding, i know your comment is old
Actually because of how hard he already hits there is a big difference, try it yourself. This legit makes him somewhere in high tier like Ganondorf. Heck it's not even 30% it's 20%. 30% buffed Mac would be top 15. KO Punch just kills some characters at 0 with a 30% buff. But I do think 30% is much and only low and bottom tiers should get 20. Same for top tiers, -20% is good enough.
This is great! I think I could watch this all day! Get them to do this on the Underdogs channel with teams so we can see some stupidly broken team combos.
why not just balance everyone in an upward direction, leaving the top tiers untouched? as in high tier gets a ten percent buff, mid tier gets 20, and low gets 30. that way everyone is top tier.
4:20 Pyra and Mythra were my most wanted characters. 100% would have main them even if they would've been low/mid tier if they would still be fun. I've stuck to Byleth when everyone said they were bad, and I would've done the same to Pyra and Mythra
I genuinely believe that if they just exaggerate the good aspects of the low tiers more without nerfing the top tiers, then all characters would truly feel viable (mainly speaking for Doc, Mac and Ganon).
There are fundamental problems with those three that can't be "made up" by buffs. Doc can't recover. No buffs can fundamentally fix that considering it's a platform fighter. If you buffed Ganon damage-wise, he'll still be comboed, still get edgeguarded, and if he somehow lands a hit it'll almost kill. That's it. Doesn't fix the game, just makes it more inconsistent. Like, it changes rolling a d4 with 2-5 on it to be a d8 with one 8 and the other sides being 1 1 1 2 2 2 3
i think that the reason the 'buffed characters' do better on a majority is because it implies that the best absolute top tiers and absolute bottom tiers are 60% different, which i think to be the reason why
4:15 why is it so hard for Smash players to comprehend that some people actually *do* play characters just because they like the character? Like I do understand that most Smash fans literally play no other games but like some people who play Smash actually do just play characters because they like the characters in their home series, myself included. It’s not my fault that some of my favorite games of all time include Xenoblade Chronicles 2, Persona 5 Royal, and Kid Icarus Uprising: I just have good taste 🤷♂️
I think it’s because it’s rare to hear about someone who plays a character they like from from their respective game also fit their play style in smash
I'm beginning to think that -30% is too much of a down side, maybe only -20% for every top tier except maybe(?) the top 3 and for the worse characters all the fighters at low and bottom still keeps +20 to 30%, mid tiers get +10%, high tiers should stay the same.
30% is pretty significant if we make it easier for the ones that are 1 lower 1 higher to be just the usual and squish all the buffs and nerfs down it may be more balanced
I feel like sheik kills now. Her 3 smashes are all pretty good killing at 80-100%. Fair combos to carry off stage is ez on most characters. Teleport kills, bouncing fish kills, grenade kills. Up air and back air both kill at 100-140% on stage but sub 100 if you hit them off stage near borders. Everything else is just combo tools and have insane frame data.
I think there's some changes you should make to the custom balance levels -10%: Bowser +20%: Any character that formerly got the +30% buff other than Dr. Mario, Little Mac and Ganondorf, DK, Dedede, Ice Climbers, Isabelle, Ridley and Mii Swordfighter +30%: Only Dr. Mario, Little Mac and Ganondorf
I think it'd be actually balanced if you reduced the changes by 1. So the mid tiers would remain the same, but the high and low tiers would be only 20% changed
This is reversed, exactly what I thought with the first vid! So good to see some of these characters being top tiers and some being so bad now. Because making a character 30% better whilst also making the good character 30% weaker now you have the good characters theoretically being worse than the bad characters. Love this idea though and is so cool to see Gannon so op.
Hi Hopcat, so happy to see you have uploaded today. I was really down in the dumps lately, had to take a day off of school. Im a little late to the video because i was sleeping, but due to this i decided to call my friend and talk to him. It ended up making me feel better, and i just wanted to thank you for your amazing content. Hope you have a great day!
If the Underdogs ever decide to host another Big Smash Bash, Hopcat's "Balanced" Smash should be one of the events.
Yeah but they think Pac Man isn't broken, that's the problem.
@B Chu You mean even better
@@GorgeGrouse You mean even funnier
@@Adam-to5xu he got the max nerf tho didn't he?
@@vick7868 your correct he did
The reason Young Link's Bombs did the zoom in is cause it actually hits twice. The first hit spikes hence the zoom in but the second hit sent him upwards.
Wow, very cool.
Yeah it hits like 4 times.
HopCat: “I feel like I’m climbing a mountain.”
Poppt1: “The mountain is gonna kick you in the face.”
HopCat: *immediately gets kicked in the face*
Yessss let’s go. This should just be a series at this point, messing with the custom balance in different ways and with different people.
It really starts to get meta when you make a tier list for this mode and then change them again based on that
Oh no my brain
I would love to see you play against pro players with and do this with their teirlists
Would be hard because it’s only offline
Marss: ok ZSS is actually pretty average and has bad MUs, so you should just leave her as is
@@sneddo6929 they could probably use yuzu but I don’t know
@@DJKokaKola One might even say ZSS Sux
The fact that this is based on the BSD tier list make some of the buffs/nerfs VERY questionnable lmao
I consider jigglypuff high tier after the buffs. She got 3 new kill-confirms and they still put her in low tier.
@@1fellswoop614 I mean jigglypuff was born low tier for the simple reason that high risk, high reward characters tend to be bad that's the same reason why mac and ganon are terrible.
She struggles against swords, projectiles and has terrible kill power outside from rest so three new kill confirms isn't enough.
And they think plant is the worst in the game, when plant has so many setups and great damage and KO potential, he has good recovery and amazing advantage state
Game and Watch not being top tier
>Puff worse than Incineroar
*hmmm*
Ironically, when the Blue Kirby is stronger it losses. Guess it just proves that the unbeatable Blue Kirby is perfect the way he is.
All of Diddie Kong’s bones all broken while Bowser Jr’s all buffed in this
8:25
DAMN, I didn't know that Plant's down-b reached that far!
It's a shame no one else uses this mode. It almost completely changes the game in a really funny way
Right. I found this mechanic, and It changed the way how I play smash
it’s real fun to mess around with
Where do you find this?
@@epistarter1136 You Go The Right Hand Corner, and click options and After that You Click on Smash, and it will show a list Of custom Settings, one Settings is labeled custom balance
Arguably people probably don't use it more than they would because you can't use it online. You can't use a lot of custom things that would be online. Which is a little bit ironic given that Smash is primarily a casual party game. The online portion even private games are exclusively more 'serious' matches.
8:26
Plant: "Welp guess thats what hopcat victory means."
Popp1t: *dies inside*
"WHY AM I AT [INSERT OUTRAGEOUS NUMBER HERE]" Is probably the most said sentence when playing against piranha plant
This is top tier content
Would love to see more like balancing the character using tier lists made by the underdogs (together or one each)!
We love to see the first hopcat upload of 2022!
I can’t wait to see where 2022 takes us all. 🥳❤️
actually his first one was 2 days ago
The end of the last video:
Let’s make Poppt not optimal!
The first clip in this video:
This was genuinely funny and I really like the buffs/nerfs. It was fun to watch. Great video!
I have an idea that could maybe make the stats more balanced for these videos. Currently, a former top-tier facing a former bottom-tier will have a cumulative stat gap of *60%,* which is kinda bonkers. I have a different scale that could make things a little more even, but still feel different enough from the base game.
*Top tier:* Stats reduced by 20%.
*High tier:* Stats reduced by 10%.
*Mid tier:* Stats unchanged.
*Low tier:* Stats increased by 10%
*Bottom tier:* Stats increased by 20%.
With this scale, the highest cumulative stat gap between characters is only 40%, which is still impactful without being unwinnable. Most matchups will only have a stat gap of 10-20%. Mid tier characters are not directly buffed, but they indirectly benefit from high tier characters and other tough matchups being nerfed, making them feel like more competitive choices overall. I think this could be a decent way to make more characters viable without completely flipping the tier list upside down --like Australia.--
Anyways, great video as always! I'm looking forward to seeing more videos where you mess around with the stat changing feature and play with friends.
Poppt1: I always Edge-Guard, you'll never see me go off sta-
Lil Mac 20% Buff: *I'm going in for the kill! I'm doing it for a thrill!!*
Watching Ploppt rage was the most fun I’ve had in a looooooong time.
Friendly tip, use Robin's rapid jab on somebody's shield with the +10% custom balance :)
What happens?
@@0yaSumi6908 it breaks shields
@@level0maid wtf!? A rapid jab!? I gotta trt this
@@0yaSumi6908 quick clarification: It probably only does it when at the edge of a platform or at ledge, but I have broken a full shield with a robin rapid jab before when messing w/ custom balance
@@level0maid your right, i at first tried it normally, and it didnt work, then i did it at the ledge and it did! Thats crazy, also thanks for responding, i know your comment is old
Fun fact: a bear without teeth is a gummy bear
When nerfing the combo characters just gives them more combos.
On the other hand it gives them all Marthitis, and can't even kill at 200%
Fun fact: swimming is just flying in water and flying is just swimming in the air
9:00 famous last words before getting deleted from existence
4:26 Hi, Bayonetta main here! Lmao really though we need more Bayos. Including me I know like... 1.
4:25 The REAL videogame saga fan (ej: me with Shulk) : Look, I wouldn't even be mad if that happened, I'll still enjoy playing as them
Popp1 "I have to do so much effort, and then you hit me once and we are even."
Sheik mains laugh
As a Little Mac main myself, I'd say those are actually pretty normal Mac kill percents
Actually because of how hard he already hits there is a big difference, try it yourself. This legit makes him somewhere in high tier like Ganondorf. Heck it's not even 30% it's 20%. 30% buffed Mac would be top 15. KO Punch just kills some characters at 0 with a 30% buff. But I do think 30% is much and only low and bottom tiers should get 20. Same for top tiers, -20% is good enough.
This is great! I think I could watch this all day! Get them to do this on the Underdogs channel with teams so we can see some stupidly broken team combos.
A versions of this with every character +30% would be super cool
If everyone is super, no one will be.
@@Terrabyte13 Except for the Smash Mode Shulk of course
That would just be 1.3 launch rate
why not just balance everyone in an upward direction, leaving the top tiers untouched? as in high tier gets a ten percent buff, mid tier gets 20, and low gets 30. that way everyone is top tier.
@@AlmostUselessPenguin I mean, I’m pretty sure it also increases damage output.
What Poppt didn't see is that Blue Kirby was actually entirely nerfed (you can tell by his colour), so the true Blue Kirby remains undefeatable
I love how Mad Dummy's theme is playing the whole time.
4:20 Pyra and Mythra were my most wanted characters. 100% would have main them even if they would've been low/mid tier if they would still be fun. I've stuck to Byleth when everyone said they were bad, and I would've done the same to Pyra and Mythra
Xbc2 is one of my FAVORITE games so i agree with you
4:15 I do play Pyra/Mythra because I love Xenoblade 2 but I also play Bayonetta for the same reason. I exist on both sides of this conversation.
7:48 I knew Jordan looked like Swaggy
whats the name of the music playing here? 5:33
Hopcat is a LEGEND! Not only did he beat Blue Kirby, he beat BUFFED Blue Kirby!
You should mod it to where the characters have their stats/power based on how powerful they are in their canon lore. That’d be interesting to see.
Bayonetta: This is my kingdom come.
Fun fact: if you stab a bowl of cereal you will be a cereal killer
They should do this sort of thing in Smash 6 but also add options for recovery and mobility
This should be an underdogs twist it’s great
I genuinely believe that if they just exaggerate the good aspects of the low tiers more without nerfing the top tiers, then all characters would truly feel viable (mainly speaking for Doc, Mac and Ganon).
There are fundamental problems with those three that can't be "made up" by buffs. Doc can't recover. No buffs can fundamentally fix that considering it's a platform fighter. If you buffed Ganon damage-wise, he'll still be comboed, still get edgeguarded, and if he somehow lands a hit it'll almost kill. That's it. Doesn't fix the game, just makes it more inconsistent. Like, it changes rolling a d4 with 2-5 on it to be a d8 with one 8 and the other sides being 1 1 1 2 2 2 3
And removing Mewtwo’s tail hurtbox
i think that the reason the 'buffed characters' do better on a majority is because it implies that the best absolute top tiers and absolute bottom tiers are 60% different, which i think to be the reason why
I think - and +20% should be good enough for the very good and very bad fighters.
8:16 oh so that's what the Twitter clip was
4:15 why is it so hard for Smash players to comprehend that some people actually *do* play characters just because they like the character?
Like I do understand that most Smash fans literally play no other games but like some people who play Smash actually do just play characters because they like the characters in their home series, myself included.
It’s not my fault that some of my favorite games of all time include Xenoblade Chronicles 2, Persona 5 Royal, and Kid Icarus Uprising: I just have good taste 🤷♂️
I think it’s because it’s rare to hear about someone who plays a character they like from from their respective game also fit their play style in smash
Fun fact: if you fall out of a plane without a parachute you will fall for the rest of your life
That Young Link kill zoom happened to me in tournament once. Led to a very awkward handshake afterwards
4:25 Yo i didn't know Hop used one of my quotes in his video!!! That's chill
"I BEAT BLUE KIRBY!"
HopCat, 2022
Happy new year
Fun fact: if you work at security at a samsung store you will be a guardian of the galaxy
This is new best thing. Hopcat, my man, you are finding those new amazing content ideas. Let’s see the channel explode. ^_^
4:24 hey, I love Xenoblade, but I also really love their moveset, so the fact that I love Xenoblade is kind of a bonus (yes I know it’s a joke)
If you invited Jackson, he would've decimated you since you buffed more than half his character pool.
The Young Link bomb exploded before hitting the blast zone
Imagine how Cogger would react to this mode
Guys I found the next doubles twist.
Even if it is his “balanced” smash I love watching the underdogs play some competitive 1v1s
I'm beginning to think that -30% is too much of a down side, maybe only -20% for every top tier except maybe(?) the top 3 and for the worse characters all the fighters at low and bottom still keeps +20 to 30%, mid tiers get +10%, high tiers should stay the same.
12:04
The cycle has been broken
I love poppt so much bless him. Love everyone from the Underdogs but Poppt has to be my fav
Hearing dummy is not something I was expecting
30% is pretty significant if we make it easier for the ones that are 1 lower 1 higher to be just the usual and squish all the buffs and nerfs down it may be more balanced
That first diddy game is what playing sheik feels like. Nothing kills but good combos
I feel like sheik kills now. Her 3 smashes are all pretty good killing at 80-100%. Fair combos to carry off stage is ez on most characters. Teleport kills, bouncing fish kills, grenade kills. Up air and back air both kill at 100-140% on stage but sub 100 if you hit them off stage near borders. Everything else is just combo tools and have insane frame data.
Very true, it’s been a hot minute since I played sheik but I know she’s gotten better
Altérnate title: the smash tier list on opposite day
anyone else notice that only the k rool vs wolf match had the +10% and -30% at the start like hop did one and didnt feel like doing the others
This video is just what it feels like to main sheik always
7:26 based hopcat
Australians would rather neutral get up into a guy charging a smash attack than do a get up attack
Mythra up tilt chaining just went from 2 in a row to 358 in a row
If anyone wants to try this out, go to the bar on the right of the menu, then options, then smash. Custom balance should be right there.
I think there's some changes you should make to the custom balance levels
-10%: Bowser
+20%: Any character that formerly got the +30% buff other than Dr. Mario, Little Mac and Ganondorf, DK, Dedede, Ice Climbers, Isabelle, Ridley and Mii Swordfighter
+30%: Only Dr. Mario, Little Mac and Ganondorf
I think it'd be actually balanced if you reduced the changes by 1. So the mid tiers would remain the same, but the high and low tiers would be only 20% changed
1:25 Every sheik player ever
That DK vs Kirby was hype
When you see your 2 best characters are buffed
Doubles with a twist: everyone's balanced
Great concept. Even greater in reality
This is reversed, exactly what I thought with the first vid! So good to see some of these characters being top tiers and some being so bad now. Because making a character 30% better whilst also making the good character 30% weaker now you have the good characters theoretically being worse than the bad characters. Love this idea though and is so cool to see Gannon so op.
Bro ganon was always op
@Dipper Pines defo not, any character with a good recovery can proper gimp ganon no problem.
At this point, Cuckles are basically NFT's
The thumbnail is top tier
Poppt got a taste of his own medicine 🤣🤣🤣🤣
who knew, all little mac needed to be viable was a 30% buff while nerfing his opponent by 30%
Idea for underdogs. One player has plus 30% and the other 3 with minus 30%. Kina like one has spirits
5:13 you remember what I commented last video? Fuck it, he did it this time.
This should be a underdogs video
It changes knockback when I looked it up it said it applies non-percental changes to fighters
You should secretly change your switch out with Zach’s so the balanced smash happens
Imagine if they made top tiers buffed and bottom tiers nerfed but the one with the top tiers only have one stock and the other has 3
Balanced smash with the underdogs
this reminds me to play with MY custom balance. Even Olimar with 30% less attack is annoying
When does the Underdogs doubles Twist of this come out?
Hi Hopcat, so happy to see you have uploaded today. I was really down in the dumps lately, had to take a day off of school. Im a little late to the video because i was sleeping, but due to this i decided to call my friend and talk to him. It ended up making me feel better, and i just wanted to thank you for your amazing content. Hope you have a great day!
So... Part 3 with Cogger and part 4 with Rays?
you uploaded this on my mother's birthday
You need to make a tier list for this!
peak editing with wooyeah
Yes 2 in a row I wouldn’t mind seeing this more
I like how shiek vs dark pit got cut off and the match right after was young link vs plant as if it wasn’t less exciting
I like how steve is only nerfed twice while lucina is nerfed thrice