High Density Backyard Fruit Growing: In Ground & In Containers
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- Опубліковано 25 сер 2024
- Using the method's Dave Wilson Nursery made popular I have taken high density in ground plantings of fruit trees further to containers. With roughly 5 gallons of soil worth of growing space pomes and stone fruit trees do wonderful in containers.
Be sure to prune the center, select similar rootstocks preferably dwarfed & trees of similar fruiting/growing nature and you'll do better than expected. A great alternative to those that can't graft & a great way to achieve better pollination.
Enjoy and I'm looking forward to an update in the summer months.
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Would you mind to show those containers plants now please I would like to know the success after 4 years
Just starting a high density orchard. Was wondering if you can post an update on your success and/or failures. Thanks.
Actually I think it was nature who first started high-density planting LOL
Was thinking the same thing lol I'm sure hundreds of ppl over the years of life have done this haha
I have an apple tree 🍏 🌳 I planted in my back yard; it’s small. So I needed a second one and found out you plant them close and keep them pruned down and still have a harvest.
I like your 4 trees all together.
Wow! nowadays,these trees have to sharing a room, or living in a Condominium house each another.🤣
Such a cool topic. I really want to see how these do this year so please make several updates!
Will do.
Please do! Watching now in 2023
Perfect! I have three Redlove Apples coming this week. This was incredibly helpful.
I do 3 trees and the next year I plant a grapevine in the middle. Some Borage, peas and squash and I'm there. Just keep the squash stays off the trees. I plant about 2' to 2.5' apart. The trees act as a trellis for the grapes. I do prune a bit more. That's why I wait a year for the grapes.
How interesting.
How often do you fertilize, and water please? I'm curious as different trees have different needs. i.e. regarding the fertilizer, do you use different ones which are specific to each of your many different plants, or have you discovered one which serves all the many different plants and trees? I'm hoping you've discovered a way of keeping things simple.
I do high density planting. Quince,persimmon and pomegranate 20 ft trees
Sorry that I’m tardy to the party. I’m a fellow Pennsylvanian. I’m planning about 24 fruit trees for this year. I’m going to do 5’ spacing. Everyone tells me it can’t be done. 😬
Hi, it's been a while, i bet many of us would love to see an update. Is there a new video? Thanks!
I wonder how the potted trees are doing two years later?
Happy Birthday Ross!
We noticed today that we lost a good sized fig tree today...😣
We're in Eastern Ontario(Canada)
Planted the fig in ground last season and made a huge box out of plywood and lined it with styrofoam, made a top for the box, installed it over the fig tree, and covered it with a couple inches of dirt and a tarp. When we uncovered it, it was covered in mold...We are gonna leave it another couple weeks before we pull it out, to see if maybe some new shoots come out.
Think it was just too long and harsh a winter. Or we left it covered too long.
All our potted figs, that we winter in the garage, are doing well.
A few freinds of the family have good luck with burying their figs.
Might give that a try next fall
Covering is risky business. Too much moisture and no ventilation equals disaster. Sorry to hear that :/
I'm guessing that new growth will come up from the roots. When I uncover my inground trees, sometimes they can be one mass of waterlogged leaves on top of the figs.....one to two meters deep. Once they are uncovered and allowed to dry, the trees almost always bounce back. What variety was it? Oh, and happy birthday again, Ross!!
Thank you, Steve!
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I believe its a white fig variety from Italy. It did really well in the pot, and last yr was the first yr it went into the ground. We were really hoping that it survived the winter...
Our friends that bury them, get the best figs from those trees, compared to the ones they have in pots, same variety.
Ross Raddi
Ya, i believe thats what happened here...
Not sure if maybe we had too long a winter and couldnt get the fig uncovered early enough...
Any updates? How are the trees doing?
After reading about 9000 apple trees per acre , I think that high density farming is a game changer. This is potentially a way to make a 1 acre farm compete with a 15 acre farm because the typical grounded fruit trees are 150-650 trees an acre. 5000-9000 trees in an acre is 60 times what some farmers are growing per acre. I think the best part to your strategy is you can also sell trees.
Very good job !! You have a great start for terific food forest !!
Potted plants is the way to go . You convinced me I'm going to bury my potted trees in the ground, fully or partially to allow ground temperature to assist in cooling and heating the roots ( summer winter)
Hey R, still loving these older videos. Looking back today at your example in this video (minute 7:19), do you still combine your stone fruit in one large grow bag? If so, how are they doing now that they are of fruiting age? If not, did they not survive or did you just change up your planting style?
Happy Birthday Ross!
Thank you!
Good for pollination !
So i can plant grafted lume lemon s together
is there an update to this?
I think high density planting is a great idea. Thanks for sharing.
Happy Birthday!
Happy birthday! I turned 38 yesterday 😊 Anyway, the tree I bought during the Staten Island fig festival hasn’t woken up. I don’t think it’s dead but now I’m not so sure. 😕
Very nice, Jackie! We share the same birthday?? Send me a photo of your tree.
Jackie es radiante, muy bella
The trees in the pots, will they not become root bound or is more like bonsai?
I am limited as to what i can plant in ground so have all my fruit trees in grow bags so far only 1 per bag however
Amazing!
Do you have a video/picture on how this 4 planting looks in last 4 years.
HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOU. 😄
where do you purchase your trees?
Thank you for the video and happy birthday 🎉🎈🎂 you're probably 28 by now so happy birthday twice. Btw you're unbelievably handsome
Happy birthday 🎁
Love, Light, Peace & Gratitude.
Your 27!! Happy Birthday!!
Thank you, Maddog!
I eat 20 apples a day. It costs me 150 a week. I need a whole orchard in my yard STAT! I took the seeds and so far have made Ruby frost, sweet tango, fuji, pink lady, wild twist, snap dragon trees that are about 5 inches tall now and this week I got a cosmic crisp seed to germinate!! God I hope they are real varieties and not crab apple trees! I will find out in a few years
Can you ever separate them in the future if potted this way? I imagine the roots will all be intertwined. I only ask because when it comes time to put these in the ground you may decide your want more space between them. I'm actually following your lead on this and doing something similar.
After one year the roots are quite entangled. Not worth separating as I would have lost a lot of roots this way and potentially killed them. If that were the case, I probably have to take a saw to them and be very careful. It hadn't occurred to me about trunk spacing in those containers. What you mentioned Mark is definitely the plan. I think the best plan of action would be to stake them now so that they're at least on an angle away from each other.
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Happy Birthday!!! :-)
Thank you!
Hi Ross , Im in North Jersey zone 6B, if you could only choose 3 types of plums which would they be?
Great idea😊
Ross have you ever grafted fruit tree in pot?
Happy Birthday Ross! Can you give me any wisdom in keeping the birds and squirrels away from my fruit. I live in zone 10A and the squirrels have now eaten all the tropical peaches I had for the third year in a row. I have never eaten a peach from this tree! Protecting my figs is almost impossible, but I might have some luck this year!
Hi, a lot of gardeners use those nylon gift bags you buy from the dollar store. They have a tie string which you tie around one fruit or if your fruit is a bunch say like Longans or Lychees, people use a bigger bag.
What Garry said. I use things called "Organza Bags." They are usually used as gift bags in weddings.
Cougar98- I was also having major issues with squirrels helping themselves to my fruits also. Even worse, they would take a few bites and leave the rest. I purchased a have-a-heart trap for squirrels, use peanut butter as bait and started trapping them. I then drove them a few miles away and released them elsewhere. I was up to 9 squirrels in one season. What a difference it made. We were able to enjoy our fruits after that. Good luck.
A Maine Coone cat.
They were bred to be amazing hunters.
have you done this with Figs?
Have you tried that technique with figs? And, congrats on turning 27. I turned 59 today.
it works on pretty much anything as long as the species is the same as he mentions in the video. Growers do the huge 15x15 spacing for truck and equipment access but even they are starting to reduce the spacing and plant more trees per acreage.
You certainly can. Not something I've done in the ground, but you can make it work in a warm climate. 1 tree per 5 gallon of soil. Stems from the base need to be limited.
What’s the yellow stuff on top of the soil in the pots? Looks like crushed lime?
Saw dust maybe?
Great info! I see some stakes in some of the pots. Did you weigh them down or just bury them deep in the pot? Thanks!
Happy birthday Ross! I love your video's. I'm in central FL. zone 9b and I also do the high density planting.
Thank you, Jan!
What kind of soil did you use for your fruit trees? If you don't mind me asking. I am planning to plant more fruit trees this coming spring.
Any updates?
Would this method work putting several grow bags is the bottom part of a IBC container?
Any updates on these. Would you still recommend this technique in containers?
Not really.
Please elaborate. I was planning on using the pot technique.
It was popular long before the internet existed. 😎👍🐶👋
Hey Ross. What soil mix do you use for your fruit trees? Apples and figs in particular.
Thanks Mate!
50% compost, 50% bark
Hello Ross. I started a food forest this year. I've put 12 fruit and nut trees in my yard and garden. I live in Ct.
That's a very cool idea to plant four trees together either in the ground or in a pot. I was wondering when you put three or four trees in a large pot like that. Do you eventually plant them in the ground? Or keep them in the pot in maintain their small stature?
Thank you for taking the time to do your videos and answer our comments. Keep on Growing!
The plan is to eventually plant them in ground, but you could keep them in a pot to dwarf them. Root pruning will be necessary every 3-4 years though once the trees become root bound. As for when.. you can stick them in the container like that as soon as you get them. Similarly aged and on similar rootstock.
Is this doable with citrus trees?
Yeah, but I don't recommend it.
What is high density planting
😍 New Fan here in 8a! Have you tried this with Persimmons?
It can be done. Have no tried it, but I have not failed with any species.
Where do you get those containers with the handles? There are a few different sizes you have. Are the main bodies of the containers rigid or flexible? Thanks
John Perkins these are fabric pots. You can get them on Amazon. They are great because they air prune the roots. I love them!
shaxs Thanks! Found them, and ordered some. 👍🏼🌱
is your container mix the same for stone fruit,apples and figs?
Yes.
Once they become sizable, will they merge into one tree?
They could!
Hey, Ross. Quick question: what kind of semi-dwarf or dwarf root stock should I look for from acnursery.com for fruit trees appropriate to my area (Philadelphia Pennsylvania)? Any types you recommend specifically? Thanks!
I wouldn't get dwarf rootstock. They are not long lived trees. Proper pruning will get your standards to the height you want. IF you had to get dwarfs, I have no opinion on which is preferred here.
Thanks, Ross! I was just about to make an order for dwarf rootstock trees, so I’m really glad I got this message in time to stop me. I’m going to trust that dense planting and assiduous pruning will work for me. So, how do I approach AC Nursery (trees)? Do I just ask for a standard tree? Should it be grafted onto root stock? They may have the answers for me, but if you have some input I always value it. Thanks! Best, Best, Bonnie
What style of dense planting are you doing? You may want a dwarf rootstock depending on what you're doing.
Grated to orange an Portugal together
Incredible! I’m going to do this on my third floor, very sunny southern balcony in Philadelphia. So, 25 gallon bags are what I should go with? I would like to grow some citrus as well. What is the best root stock to use for this project? Also, is there a resource to tell me which varieties of a type of fruit will ripen in succession? Thanks!
acnursery.com has some really nice ripening charts. I would recommend anything above a 10g for most fruit trees. Go with plastic. Semi dwarf rootstocks do well. Dwarfs are best if you're more patient.
Thank you for your input! And, for the referral to a good nursery. We are both Pennsylvania residents so I am assuming the kinds of trees you are growing would work best on my third floor deck in Center City Philadelphia. Looking forward to learning more from your very informative videos. Thanks!
Ross, I’ve just been reading reviews on davesgarden.com about AC nursery and I’m very, very impressed! I didn’t know it was possible for nursery to get such positive reviews. I think I will start there and looking for trees. Also appreciate the informative charts they have which I will study in more detail soon. Love your channel and really appreciate your information. Keep them coming…
Where did you get plots from?
Which ones?
I meant pluots
😂😂😂
Seems like an expensive way to get lots of fruit fast and not much fruit in the long run.
1, 1, 1, No! Excuse me. I, i, i,You did the work , you did the figuring. Now alls I have to do is ride your coat taìls.
Putting trees on pots is the only way to go:
As a barrier against grub infestation
To be able to rotate the plant to promote leafing or fruiting on the otherside
To be able to move them
But ! But What? But we the neophyte don't know how small of a pot we can get by with and that's why we seek your advise and council. So four trees in a 25 Fallon pot. Did I say Fallon? No I ment gallon. 4 trees in a 25 gallon pot. Heavy pot even with light weight soil. A big pot ,but a pot. Factory made soil like peat Moss, vermiculite and what's that white stuff called? Styrofoam? No ! Perlite
But it's not bio dee gradible. Who the hell cares about bio dee gradible you are planting them in plastic pots for crying out loud and the micro beeds are suffocating the snail-darter
What's a snail darter? You milllimials get off your mother's couch and read a little history
Where was eye? Oh yeah now I remember. Four trees in a 25 gallon pot two trees in a -a-a. Did you say a 16 gallon pot