What do you mean "some shortminded technocrat taken over, stealing, and displacing jobs with automation for a fictitious altruistic purpose" villain, is thankfully fictional?
@@defaulted9485 a literal supervillain that builds impossible gadgets and robots is fictional. An evil company executive is real. I’m fairly certain personalities weren’t taken into account when writing that comment.
@@DeltaStormYT It's a ponzi scheme, they never expect you to use the insurance and they will do everything they legally can from doing so even when you need it the most.
And then the most dastardly line related to todays standards... "We're supposed to help the people!" "We're supposed to help OUR PEOPLE, Bob! Starting with our stockholders! Who's helping them huh?"
An aspect that I don't see when describing Mr Incredible is how intelligent he is. Sure he has super strength but he's able to use it while problem solving on his feet. In the case of this video Bob knows the best and sneakiest ways to give his customers what they're owed which requires knowledge of company policy and law to keep himself and his customers out of trouble.
Absolutely! Something I realized the last time I watched the Incredibles is that even though there’s clear influence from tons of different comic book heroes in it, I actually can’t think of a character like Mr. Incredible that exists anywhere in comics. Yes he’s a family man, but in his prime, he’s presented almost like a James Bond archetype. Fast cars, nice suits and suave, masculine charisma. The scene where he’s sneaking around Syndrome’s base, discovering his evil plan by putting together clues and cracking the code to his console is right out of a Bond film. He’s like a vintage 60’s era secret agent with super strength, which is a really fun idea for a character. Obviously the whole movie drips with spy movie influence, but I just think it’s neat how by using so much from so many sources, they created a character who feels so fresh and unique within the superhero genre.
@@peytonalexander5300Closest thing is probably Superman tbh. Superman is known for his big amount of powers but he is pretty smart himself and a lot of golden age stuff was a mix of random bullshit go but also 'ah but you see, I outsmarted you by doing the thing that is unlikely that you overlooked'
@@taekinuru2 I'm too young to outright dismiss what Superman meant for so many people. For instance my older brothers loved the show Smallville. But we all know Superman's powers are BS and having too much power isn't good for plot, and later flaws and vulnerabilities were introduced haphazardly to try and fix this problem. I personally prefer the short fun story of Bruce Almighty over the Superman stories I've seen. My point is, if Superman's powers are virtually beyond limit or comprehension, your suspension of disbelief has to be so much higher that his super-Intelligence can just be assumed. The ultimate Good should be free of almost any limitations. I think I don't like Superman because he's strictly an alien. Good writing can make his stories compelling by showing his "Humanity" as exceptional and capacity for good exceeding that of the average man (which isn't that inspiring to me)... a Great contrasting story is that of Metroman and Megamind (zoomer take, I know), where both characters' underlying motivations are subverted and allow for actual Growth.
Surprised no mention of him being physically short and small compared to the size of Bob symbolically shows how much further Mr. Incredible has been forced to bend to the will of someone in complete power despite having clearly minimal physical strength or build
It honestly works as satire : Mr. Incredible is incredible , He supports his family , he is selfless objectively a great guy who will be remembered fondly ... Mr. Huph is a squiggle he is forgettable and annoying
One of the major themes Pixar was going for in Incredibles was the contrast between the mundane and the fantastic. Syndrome is the fantastical villian while Mr. Huph is the villian of the mundane.
Syndrome also blurs the line because he was so good at providing for the mundane (weapons) he achieved fantastical status (buying a private island, advanced tech, a super suit, robots, acting childish and no one punishing him because he had the power to never be told no) and everyone in the island was working for a price, again, using the mundane he transforms it into the fantastical. Using money, something Mr. Humph teases Bob with at the beginning of the film, he manages to beat the fantastical and become the new fantastical.
2 other things not mentioned in the video. 1. The elderly woman Bob is helping with her insurance cover is the same woman he once helped years ago as a superhero to rescue her cat. 2. The mugger after attacking the random civilian doesn't even take anything from them. We see them examine the wallet and see nothing of value in it before discarding it. So Bob had to witness an innocent person who he could have helped get beaten up for ultimately nothing, meaning the robber was probably going to just attack someone else instead too.
@@iamerror6546 They might have off screen but the most we see is them pickup the wallet and check it before throwing it away a second later. We never actually see them take anything out of it.
Conformity is the main antagonistic force of The Incredibles: "when everyone's super, no one will be" "Everyone's special, dash" "that's just another way of saying no one is" And what does Mr. Huph do? He enacts conformity every step of the way; his fingernails are perfectly trimmed, the five pencils on his desk perfectly in line and perfectly sharpened all the exact same amount, even the memo on his desk threatening insuricare employees not to take office supplies is perfectly aligned. He proceeds to rant at Bob about fitting into a perfect, clock-like system of a company, all while Bob's moral impetus to stick out, to NOT conform but go above and beyond, crime that goes unpunished, is taunted in front of Bob's eyes, and he knows he COULD stop it, he SHOULD stop it, but to do so would not conform, and so even though he could, even though it eats away at him, conformity wins, and the robber gets away. When Huph, a manifestation of evil thriving in conformity antagonizes him a little further, Bob snaps, and throws him through walls. A person so exceptional forced into such conformity just CANNOT succeed.
Two things I noticed as well was the four clocks on the wall, and chart. The chart no doubt is related to profits or the company, but it shows a nearly flat, horizontal line. It's like the company it's self is not allowed to be special or terrible, just a bland existence of doing enough to not fail.
@@purple781 I can't believe I have to use the term "media literacy" unironically but it seems I do, and that is something you need to learn. They were trying to get across as much info as possible about Insuricare, and what Bob has to deal with nearly every day. Not just a boring office job, but an *unethical* boring office job.
He's also the kind of evil we're more likely to encounter ourselves. While most villains aspire to be as evil as our greatest, very few people are actually Hitler.
@@tminusboom2140, who do you think financed Hitler's rise to dominance and, consequently, his rampage against Poland, the jews, soviets and basically the entirety of Europe, right?
@@Lolxlol21_ no, Scrooge was more proactive in his evil. It wasn’t that he was villainous, something just happened in between his happy youth, and his angry old age that made him only care about money. If I were to hazard to guess, it was likely hearing those sob stories of destitute people, and being determined that it would never happen to him slowly morphing into lust for money. Bob Marley probably wasn’t a good influence either
My favorite quote is during the mugging scene. Bob: “hey, there’s a guy out there getting mugged!” Huph: *”Well in that case let’s hope we don’t cover him!!”* Like OK. WOW.
Can we talk about the bit where Hugh grabs Bob by the jaw? The little bastard has such a _need_ to exert his own power and authority over other people that he doesn't hesitate to literally manhandle someone three or four times his size, just to make them pay attention to his monologue.
@@Malevolence460 I don't know if it would because the retaliation happened a little bit afterwards after Huph had let go, also the courts would probably see throwing someone through a wall almost killing them as being unproportionable to the chin grab.
Part of it I think is with the themes of trying to rise above mediocrity if you will. You see, Bob is actually doing his job well, and is once again finding himself being punished for not being mediocre.
I’m not sure if it’s about being mediocre but more like Bob is being heavily “encouraged” to screw his clients out of as much money as possible which goes against his very being as a superhero.
@@jeffythesomething8772 It literally goes against the point of an insurance company. Sure there's a lot of legal bullshit, but at it's most basic concept an insurance company is something you pay a recurring fee to with the expectation that if you do end up in a tough financial spot such as what the specific insurance is for such as car, home, or life, they pay you a certain amount to help you quickly deal with the sudden financial need brought on by the costly incident. Mr Huph is illegally going against this, using a bunch of legal bullshit to keep people liek the old lady giving Insuracare money but not having to dish out as much as they'd actually need to. I'd cut ties to that company if I was a customer and if I worked there I'd quite. I'm surprised they're still afloat with how shitty they are. Must have really good PR backing them to keep negativity at bay.
Not exactly. The point of mr Huph corporate ideology is to make the deals of his company as favorable for them as possible at the expense of the clients. Bob, however, is having none of that. Plus, Huph is clearly one of those guys who gets pleasure of having control and throwing his weight around. Of course a boss like that is gonna hate someone like mr Incredible.
@@user-unos111 With Bob, his job *in theory* is to help people. However, he's being punished for doing "his job" too well, if you will. In fairness there's definitely more to it than that, but it's an element of it.
I also love the contrast between him and Syndrome (and the other villains in general). Not every evil guy can be defeated by punching him. An evil mime with bombs? A geek with killer robots? Yeah just fight them. Your boss? That’s a different story. Bob gives him exactly what he deserves. But in doing so, gets in a ton of trouble. It shows the contrast that you can’t beat all evil by just punching them
Quite the opposite. His mistake was not just outright offing him imo. If you are going to lash out, make sure they never live to tell the tale or are able to harm someone ever again.
@@ethanduncan1646 Killing him wouldn't have been easy to hide though, plus it wouldn't fit Mr. Incredible's character to intentionally execute him for that alone. It makes more sense that he gave him the whooping of a lifetime but almost went overboard and killed him in the heat of the moment.
@@Chicky_Lumps additionally, it would not have stopped the next Boss who would rise to run the coporation. Insura-care is designed to be exploitative, meaning that many of the upper ranks of the company share that mindset, especially with how upfront Mr. Hugh was with "The law requires that I answer no." So, let's say Bob killed Mr. Hugh, then Mr. Hugh's next in line moves up, takes over the company, and the pain continues. It would require a mass lawsuit to cripple the company. IE: Not Mr. Incredible. It would take a guy in a grey suit and a briefcase to take down Insura-care.
@@Chicky_Lumps Its not about hiding it. If you are already going on for assault against some asshole who deserves it and will always be morally bankrupt no matter what might as well follow through. You are already going to prison might as well do some good while you are at it.
One detail I notice with that scene is the fact that Bob literally could not have helped the mugging victim either way. He doesn't have super speed; even if he went at a full sprint out of the office and ran down the stairs, by the time he got out of the office, the mugger would have been long gone. It emphasizes even further how frustrated he is that he would lose his temper and lose his job over not being allowed to help someone who he literally could not have helped anyway.
@@spongeintheshoe indeed. but he was not allowed to do either... he was forced to stay in that office and take the talking to from that little tool (who seemed to enjoy how much power he has over someone like Bob) and so the mugger got away without any interferance any number of things could have been done to stop what happened... but bob was left helpless to help a man he could help. he could have done something... but his boss won't let him. So you can understand very much why bob at the end of his tether finally just snaps and throws his boss through several walls.
Tbh he could have made it. After all, he does have super strength... He probably could have left the office, found a quiet part of the floor and hopped out the window and land in the ally. But yeah sucks since that didn’t happen...
If you think he's bad in the movie... *_HE'S WORSE IN THE ORIGINAL SCRIPT_* I will quote an exerp from Brad Bird's original screenplay, page 37 : 《 Huph follows Bob's gaze to the window. On the street, the larger man clubs the smaller man with a mace. He crumples to the sidewalk. Huph jerks Bob's face back towards his-- 》 He was not only _concious_ of the mugging, witnessed it himself, and _willingly chose to ignore it,_ but the mugging was *_FAR MORE BRUTAL_* than the few melodramatic punches we saw in the movie. Huph saw a hepless man being beaten half to death and chose to _look past it_ to get back to scolding his employee for helping those in need like the victim on the other side of the glass.
Its probably because I had an unnecessarily dark imagination as a kid. But I always thought the guy died. So the scene upset me probably as much as bob himself.
Even if his situation was depressing, it was still nice to see Mr Incredible/Bob was still fighting for the common man. Be either beating super villains or helping his clients navigating through the traps of a crooked insurance company.
I used to feel bad for him getting thrown through so many walls and ending up hospitalized. I mean yeah for that I feel bad for him, but I never realized just how bad of a guy he actually was.
As a kid I saw him as a mean boss who wouldn’t even call the cops for a mugging happening in front of him. As an adult I saw his actual business model and realized this guy is worse than I realized
I knew something was wrong with him when he didn't care that a person was getting assaulted and mugged outside his office, and stopped bob from trying to help
Same, but I was a kid back then. DIdn't really understand the hardships of being an adult. Even grade 10-12, I had a number 1 best friend explain how bad the world is, I still didn't get it, which is pathetic, but when I entered college. I started to go like wait a minute, my number 1 best friend was spitting out sense here. And I have been apologetic since college and onwards towards him. Kind of seeing how I was being an ass to someone that was just getting me down to Earth about the real world.
In my opinion, one of the most vexing things about Mr. Huph's narrative is that Bob, despite all his best efforts and intentions, is not able to put an end to Huph's exploitation of his clients and / or employees - without losing his job, that is. Any actions that Bob could take to undermine Mr. Huph would simply put his own family in financial trouble. Huph basically uses Bob's family as a hostage against him, and he doesn't even have to violate the law like a common criminal.
It all goes back to, "If you are punished for doing good things you are run by evil people." Which is why people eventually need to rebel against the system but I digress.
4:35 Did anyone ever noticed that Bob is literally in a tight space just by observing his cubicle compared to others? Doesn't it also make sense as a key symbolism of all the pressure and challenges he faced everyday of his life since when he resigned being a superhero for 15years?
@@byronsmothers8064 Now that's another key symbolic feature. It seems the makers really sat down and thought this through. No wonder the movie was really a huge hit in the cinema.
I just realized that Huph is gonna have to be forced to go through the same twisted system that Bob helped others through. But this time, there will be no Bob Parr to guide Huph through every loophole & obstacle
With his sallery he probably has a different company with a better premium and policy that only takes candidates via private referrals. It's remarkable how much better a service gets when it's an exclusive club you need to be an upstanding member of.
In the world of The Incredibles, superhumans using their incredible gifts to help people when no one else can is forbidden but parasites like Mr. Huph and his insurance company exploiting customers for money is perfectly fine.
@@hebercluff1665 no bathroom breaks while on shift, working unrealistic speeds, meeting impossible quotas, worked sortation and had a hard time keeping up despite going real fast
@@lordfelidae4505 I think the implication of the line is that it's not the physical strength or amount of power of the bully that makes them a bully, it's that they lack the moral strength to not be a bully. But it's such a short and vague line that it's easy to read some worrying stuff into it. Plus, it lacks nuance (something that's true for most aphorisms)
@@lordfelidae4505 A statement can be true even when said by someone who uses it as part of a messed-up ideology, what makes the ideology messed-up is the parts that are not true and the fallacious logic that constitutes the rest of it. You can disagree with a statement, but I encourage you to develop why, instead of limiting yourself to "a bad guy said it". Otherwise you risk falling into other kinds of messed-up ideologies.
Mr Gilbert Huph is the most realistic villain in The Incredibles series . He is more realistic than Syndrome , Bomb Voyage, Screenslaver or the Underminer. His power is manipulation, bribery and dishonesty rather than a super power like strength or speed. People will more likely encounter a corrupt boss than fighting a criminal.
I may be stretching it but I like how there seems to be a slight mirrored duality between Mr Hoff/Insuricare and Syndrome. Both claim to help people, with the former providing insurance and the latter being a hero, but they both have terrible motivations, with the former only interested in money and the later with the glory and usurping his idol, both instead of actually caring for the people.
I remember reading this writing prompt answer-about a super hero who, rather than directly participating in typical hero work, instead uses his powers of matter manipulation to repair damages after your typical super powered brawl. It starts off hopeful, with him utilizing his powers to restore livelihoods that'd usually be lost as he repairs the homes of those caught in the crossfire of those caught between villain hero showdowns, but as it progresses, it becomes steadily clear just how much the system itself is failing, pushing back at his attempts to fix homelessness. Finally, he snaps, beginning to destroy stadiums built over people's homes, rejecting a stark esqu hero request to build a base from which he could build a surveillance system, and otherwise demolishing suites and other luxurious housings to create housing for the people that need it. Eventually the 'heroes' are sent to stop him. He loses, because he simply never used his powers for actual combat. As he sits in his cell, he wonders if all the villains he's next to were exactly like him. With that thought, he rises up, breaks his cell with his powers, and quickly leads a revolt.
I'm not a huge fan of most rich people, but this prompt started off sounding interesting then just devolved into French Revolution political daydreaming.
I think the worst part is how realistic of a character Gilbert Huph is. There are so many bosses, managers, and corporate executives in real life that are just like Mr. Huph and get away with it.
It's not often that I am able to make the most out of a single set of scenes and elaborate on their details, let alone in a movie like this. Massive respect.
In the film commentary, Brad Bird mentions that one animator REALLY wanted to animate the scene where Bob finally snaps and grabs Mr Huph by the neck. He suspected that said animator had issues with a previous boss that they were channeling into their work.
Well, not exactly. He works perfectly in his role as someone who enforces the mundane. Screensaver was someone who wanted everybody to forge their own paths and not need dependence. I know the sequel gets a lot of flack, and the criticisms on how the B plot was a bit too big as well as screenslaver's execution do hold up. However, that villain WORKED. Mr. Huph is the exact opposite of Screenslaver. He doesn't need exceptions in his company. He needs a well-oiled machine, one that functions only because no piece is able to tell the time of his giant clock by themselves.
I still think Incredibles 2 is pretty much as great as the original. It isn’t quite as deeply thematic, but it still has the same atmosphere. Screenslaver is a cool villain, but the competition is Syndrome so naturally Evelyn isn’t going to be as good.
My family was denied money *three times* by their insurance companies, one for a serious medical emergency and two for natural catastrophes that damaged their hotel business. They always required paper after paper, certificate after certificate and dragged the whole process before giving some bullshit excuse and denying us the money. Sue them you say? The case would drag on for years and it would cost more money than you actually lost. Even if you won, it would not be worth it. Mr Huph was probably not the CEO of those companies, but he definitely trained their managers.
@@DracoMagnius 🤣😂You're not wrong there. Most company executives now-a-days are probably much like him. They probably wouldn't care if there was a murder in progess right outside their window.
In a world of superheroes, there are supervillains and everyday villains. That's what I like in any superhero project; it shows that each different villain requires a different approach from the hero. Fighting a supervillain works, but fighting your antagonistic boss... Not so much
9:10 - 10:15 Some dreamworks animator/graphic designer is crying tears of joy as you read and appreciate this long-lost cutting room floor tragedy. As small a detail as this is, thank you for bringing this to my attention.
The Incredibles is one of those movies I can watch several times over and still pick up on new details over 20 years later. I'm always happy to see people still talking about the movie.
Remember - the only way insurance companies make a profit is by denying claims. The idea of health insurance is ludicrous, as you will NEED to claim it. Insurance is only useful as is when there is a CHANCE you will need it.
The more I think of it, spending money on something you can claim to have, but never use how you want, insurance begins to sound an awful lot like NFTs...
This is not correct. Insurance companies generally make a profit by charging the average policy holder more than the average policy holder will use per time period. Denying claims is one way to reduce the "average policy holder usage" part, but it is by no means necessary. Insurance companies are entirely capable of operating purely like a giant emergency savings account for large numbers of people, letting policy holders who don't use it much subsidize those that suddenly encountered giant healthcare costs, and skimming a bit off the top - it just makes competitive rates harder to achieve.
I feel like one of the reason's that superhero's were banned was so they could never learn that there are even worse villains on the other side of the Law and do something about it.
I mean the movie was pretty explicit that it was cheaper for insurance to pay out to the victims of supervillains than it was for the government to pay for the damages to infrastructure caused by so called heros. I feel like there's a bit of subtle commentary there.
Mr. Incredible used to help people; he used to help them out with major or mundane things (such as the scene where he gets the old lady’s kitten from a tree and stops a robbery). But now he’s not allowed to be a superhero, so he still tries to help people with more mundane problems, but his job actively encourages him to screw over clients instead of helping them. He used to help people with their problems, now he’s heavily encouraged to BE a problem for people. His frustration is extremely understandable.
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Thanks. I've actually had a couple of videos that have done reasonably well, I just can't seem to get those kind of results consistently. The algorithm giveth and the algorithm taketh away, I suppose.
I'm surprised Bob didn't go full villain, ignoring the law and declaring himself an arbiter of justice. Imagine that for a movie, a Hero who went rogue because his desire to save the innocent outweighed the law.
But isn’t what you described essentially what he did? After the anti-hero law was put in place, he was sneaking around looking for trouble under the cover of darkness with Frozone, going as far as to use their powers against law enforcement, then Bob got himself caught up in Syndrome’s hero-snuffing schemes under the pretence of being a professional undercover vigilante. He WAS going rogue, but had the incentive to do it secretively for the sake of his family and not blowing their cover. The only way Bob would end up “full villain” would be if he were to completely disregard his family for his own gain, and that isn’t in Bob’s nature at all. Maybe you could play with the idea of him being driven clinically insane, but I don’t see that happening when he has such a loving family to fall back on.
This is simply my take on this, but the paper on the desk while Mr. Huph is lecturing Bob isn't shown so that the audience can read it and see how evil the company is, but rather the focus is on Mr. Huph's body language in that moment. Just like the pencils, the man is so orderly that he has become predictable. The adjustment of the paper is a visual signal for Bob that a line he's heard before, enough times where he's memorized the exact movement of the paper that precedes it, is on its way. Hence, he predicts Mr. Huph's words and parrots them alongside him, much to Mr. Huph's pleasure. The shot's composition (from Bob's POV) is as it is in order to convey to the audience that this is a detail Bob is noticing and reacting to. Admittedly, it's rather amazing that Pixar took the time to write out the entire memo despite its primary purpose likely being that of a visual signal to the audience that Mr. Huph's personality is predictable and life-draining.
The scene with the paper does have one particular purpose. It pairs with things such as him straightening the pencils. The specific action he's taking with the paper is to straighten it out on the desk. This gives us some insight as to his personality. We know through his words and facial expressions that he's a greedy narcissist and sadistic control freak, but through the little gestures such as with the pencils and paper we can also tell he's something of an obsessive perfectionist who desires all within his control to be in perfect order. Everything in its place exactly down even to the precise orientation. This pairs nicely with what he's reprimanding Bob for. Bob correctly states that he's been a model employee who has fulfilled his legal obligations down to the letter, but this isn't how his boss views his role. His goal is to make money at any cost and never spend it, going so far as to design his business model around it being as close to impossible for customers to get any payout they deserve as possible. Bob providing a means for customers to actually get what they are owed puts him "out of line" in the eyes of his boss like a tilted pencil, and the reprimanding is meant to adjust his behavior to get him "straightened out" in line with his boss's ambitions.
I absolutely love the office note for two reasons: 1) The implication of the letter is that Mr. Huph is more concerned with having the company pay for his parking and office supplies then the wellfare of his fellow man. 2) The fact that you would never know this unless you paused the film and read it.
The thing is that Mr hoth knows Bob was Mr incredible cause it’s implied the government helped Bob secure the job and keep things under wraps so the fact he knows and still laughs at the idea of a dude getting mugged is insane to me
The government helped Bob secure the job, yes. That doesn't mean his direct superior knows anything. It's very likely his superpowers were known only to a few people in HR, and possibly the board. Keeping secrets requires being subtle.
Even though not every a-hole is a villain,this dude IS both I don't feel bad when Mr.Huph was thrown through those walls. Probably bad the least bad thing to ever happen to him
3:41 Head cannon: Hoff: "Tell me how you're keeping Insuricare 'in the black'! Tell me how that's possible with you writing checks to every Harry Harluck and Sally Sob story that gives you a phone call!" Bob: "Tell me how we can call ourselves an insurance company if we *can't afford* to insure anyone!"
I mean, sure he's definitely an evil guy but the reason he is that way was due to a tragic backstory. He was abandoned by his owner which left him with a nihilistic worldview that he then applied to everyone else he ever met. You can't condone his actions but you can at least sympathize with what led him down that path.
@@stuartbarron7117 I kinda find that goes out the window cos the reason why she replaced him was because he was her favourite toy and she lost him purely by accident, he wasn't abandoned cos she didn't love him any more. His gaslighting of Chuckles and Big Baby into believing they too had been abandoned didn't help either. I can see why people might feel that way, but I just think him not going to push the button is such an infamous Moral Event Horizon for a reason.
@@historicflame972 Yeah, my sympathy had run dry for Lotso, it’s clear he was a complete and utter narcissist to the end. He didn’t even try to find a work around for the situation, maybe his owner would have loved to have two Lotsos, but he didn’t care, he felt replaced and no one else should be as loved as him. He didn’t care about Chuckles or Big Baby, he just didn’t want to be alone in his misery. He’d leave Woody and his friends to die by incinerator rather than help them like how they helped him because he’s just filled with that much spite.
It's a bit more sad, when you realise the true irony of Daisy getting a new Lotso. While all three toys were left by accident, Lotso was the only one that was replaced. There was no new Big Baby or Chuckles the clown, because Lotso was the only one she cared about. That would say that she loved all three equally, but in reality, she only cared that Lotso was gone. Her parents either pulled the 'We found him(secretly bought a new one)' or got a new one outright. Either way, she has Lotso back, her favorite toy, who cares about the other two. Old Lotso didn't see it that way though. He saw it as a betrayal: she had Lotso back, but not the Lotso that was 'him'. Even worse was him telling the others that they had all been replaced, despite Chuckles knowing the truth, and spinning it so that they would abandon Daisy altogether.
The Mr. Huph should be shown to all companies as an example of how not to be a manager: *Deliberately deceiving customers in a borderline illegal manner. *Lacking restraint and shouting in the office frequently. *Punishing employees who are technically not doing anything wrong, which opens up the potential of a lawsuit. *Being boring and repetitive, which doesn't improve morale. *Physically contacting and shouting at an employee. *Ignoring a violent crime and not immediately reporting it (which is likely its own crime), then making jokes about it. Granted, Bob being an unprofitable employee is an actual management issue. However, Bob is not doing anything wrong, and Huph admits that. The best course of action would be to update their policies to prevent these exploits from draining company profits. It would be an unpopular change, but it's not like the competition isn't already doing stuff like that anyways.
8:52 That seemingly random shot of a piece of paper, to me, is one of either two things: Either the storytellers wanted to reinforce Mr. Huph's overly meticulous nature with this shot (adding to the pencils he keeps in line). Or, as I have taken it: it is an attempt at a psychological power play. The contents of the paper don't actually matter - it is the fear that it could be something like a disciplinary notice that would worry many employees and drive them to cooperate with/pay attention to Mr. Huph. Given Mr. Huph's ego about his management position, it wouldn't surprise me if he's the kind of manager to try to intimidate his employees like this...he clearly enjoys the power he has over them. It could be a bit of both. But the fact that Bob rolls his eyes at this display makes me think he's seen this tactic before and isn't impressed or especially concerned. Anyways, great video! Syndrome gets most of the glory out of the villains in this movie (rightfully, I'd say), but Mr. Huph is the kind of mundane villain we love to hate and he fills the role well.
One thing I love about these scenes is that as a kid, I had no idea what insurance was or that this was all commentary about real world malicious and manipulative business practices, but the line delivery, cinematography, and editing all perfectly allowed me to understand exactly what was going on and still follow the film
I kinda wonder why bob didn't try to become a fire fighter, or a police officer his physical abilities and experience as a super hero would help alot for those professions. i mean he might not get paid super well but i don't see a desk jockey gets paid much either.
I think the government specifically picked a job where Bob is least likely to show off his powers by accident. Heroes are supposed to be in hiding at this point
The fact thay you read the one frame page that im pretty sure everyone forgot about is just awesome, nice pixar detail and great love for the content man
He’s literally a little man abusing his big position. A kind of villain I’m sure we all know. He represents that Bob doesn’t just fight cartoonish costumed supervillains, he’ll stand up to realistic ones too.
The boss' office scene is one of the most underrated in the movie. The lack of color, the 4 pencils that are all of equal length and perfectly placed on the desk, the 4 clocks all showing the exact same time, the stagnating graph in the back whatever it means and now the note you pointed out. it just tells you a ot about the company and the boss as a character
Huph is arguably more evil than syndrome. Syndrome has killed hundreds of heroes and endangered thousands. Huph is making the lives of thousands of employees and tens of thousands of people a living hell. And he does it willingly and joyfully. Huph and his company need a visit from Tyler Durden and Project Mayhem.
Insurance is the thing that made all heroes stop heroing and he's forces to confront insurance claims as a job. When he punched his boss, it's him punching the system that forced him to stop heroing personified.
I think that second scene was to help young audiences really understand what kind of villain this guy is. He really is an unsung villain that is waay too real
This man makes Syndrome seem likeable and relatable. Yeah, Syndrome a psychopath, but he's a genius engineer doing something I can wrap my mind around: acting out of spite, the dark side of parasocial relationships before that word was in our popular vernacular, in another timeline he could have been a more heroic figure possibly, had his earlier life gone differently. Mr Hoff is loathsome because I see him as a functional sociopath, the kind who is why our society is so passively cruel to others. We don't see them as villains or even bad people because they're normalized to the point of being mundane.
9:00 - How prescient. This is (an extreme portrayal of) how many corporations acted during and after the pandemic. Record profits, slashing hours and benefits.
That’s interesting about what the paper actually says when you zoom in. The movie implies that Huph is lecturing Bob from a script, because Bob eyes the paper Huph tries to nonchalantly orient and then predicts the next words Huph says.
In a privately traded company "record profits" is a bad sign for the employee since about the 70s. Investors expect record dividends too, so the company has to placate them so that they don't drop their shares. That means cutbacks, sometimes even downsizing.
My mum has worked in a lot of offices in her life, and she had a few bosses that were just like Mr. Huph. She always likes the head office scene, not just because it’s funny, but because she wished she could throw some of her bosses through a wall. And I can agree; Gilbert Huph represents one of those everyday villains who cause people problems on a regular basis.
This was a really great video! It really made me reflect on just how great the writing for Mr. Huph is, and you also helped me notice small details that I otherwise missed, such as the "Morning break is now over" line. I'm sorry I only found this video now. You do great work!
Villains like Syndrome, are thankfully fictional.
Villains like Mr. Huph, are unfortunately very real.
This comment is good.
@@knellycornnan5132 Thanks!
What do you mean "some shortminded technocrat taken over, stealing, and displacing jobs with automation for a fictitious altruistic purpose" villain, is thankfully fictional?
@@defaulted9485 a literal supervillain that builds impossible gadgets and robots is fictional. An evil company executive is real. I’m fairly certain personalities weren’t taken into account when writing that comment.
@@defaulted9485 And I assume there was someone specific you were refering to?
"The law requires that I answer no." is genuinely an evil line and is telling of Insuracare's true motivations.
WELL LET'S HOPE WE DON'T COVER HIM
A true definition of lawful evil. You absolutely can follow every rule and still be a horrible person.
And what is your experience with “insurances true motivations” or are you just spouting crap?
@@DeltaStormYT It's a ponzi scheme, they never expect you to use the insurance and they will do everything they legally can from doing so even when you need it the most.
@@DeltaStormYT He was talking about the fictional company.
"Exploiting every loophole. Dodging every obstacle."
Boy, look at his body language. It just looks so... Villainous.
only slightly hampered by the camera angle
He's literally a mini-Hitler.
They're penatrating the beaucrocy!
But that voice is adorable and goofy
@@austinmccormick8952 Did I do something illegal?...
The best (or worst) part of Insuracare’s portrayal, is the fact that many insurance companies _genuinely_ operate like that.
It is infuriating and depressing what society allows big businesses to get away with because "they're supposed to make profits."
@@KibblezanBitz I could not agree more!
Yeh but that’s the only way it could work in capitalism, not to say that the state would do better.
@@SteinBee do better by not requiring health insurance
Yeh but then you have to pay out of pocket
And then the most dastardly line related to todays standards...
"We're supposed to help the people!"
"We're supposed to help OUR PEOPLE, Bob! Starting with our stockholders! Who's helping them huh?"
That's shows who he is going to side with at the end of the day!
Thank you, American economic standards.
@lordfelidae4505 Sadly, that is true
The corpos don't represent America. Just one of its big problems.
this aged like fine wine in regards to all the enshittification going on rn
An aspect that I don't see when describing Mr Incredible is how intelligent he is. Sure he has super strength but he's able to use it while problem solving on his feet. In the case of this video Bob knows the best and sneakiest ways to give his customers what they're owed which requires knowledge of company policy and law to keep himself and his customers out of trouble.
Absolutely! Something I realized the last time I watched the Incredibles is that even though there’s clear influence from tons of different comic book heroes in it, I actually can’t think of a character like Mr. Incredible that exists anywhere in comics.
Yes he’s a family man, but in his prime, he’s presented almost like a James Bond archetype. Fast cars, nice suits and suave, masculine charisma. The scene where he’s sneaking around Syndrome’s base, discovering his evil plan by putting together clues and cracking the code to his console is right out of a Bond film. He’s like a vintage 60’s era secret agent with super strength, which is a really fun idea for a character.
Obviously the whole movie drips with spy movie influence, but I just think it’s neat how by using so much from so many sources, they created a character who feels so fresh and unique within the superhero genre.
Honestly another reason why the incredibles 2 falls flat
@@peytonalexander5300Closest thing is probably Superman tbh. Superman is known for his big amount of powers but he is pretty smart himself and a lot of golden age stuff was a mix of random bullshit go but also 'ah but you see, I outsmarted you by doing the thing that is unlikely that you overlooked'
@@peytonalexander5300 i honestly think he's an idealized captain america.
@@taekinuru2 I'm too young to outright dismiss what Superman meant for so many people. For instance my older brothers loved the show Smallville.
But we all know Superman's powers are BS and having too much power isn't good for plot, and later flaws and vulnerabilities were introduced haphazardly to try and fix this problem.
I personally prefer the short fun story of Bruce Almighty over the Superman stories I've seen.
My point is, if Superman's powers are virtually beyond limit or comprehension, your suspension of disbelief has to be so much higher that his super-Intelligence can just be assumed. The ultimate Good should be free of almost any limitations.
I think I don't like Superman because he's strictly an alien. Good writing can make his stories compelling by showing his "Humanity" as exceptional and capacity for good exceeding that of the average man (which isn't that inspiring to me)... a Great contrasting story is that of Metroman and Megamind (zoomer take, I know), where both characters' underlying motivations are subverted and allow for actual Growth.
Surprised no mention of him being physically short and small compared to the size of Bob symbolically shows how much further Mr. Incredible has been forced to bend to the will of someone in complete power despite having clearly minimal physical strength or build
An analogy for those who failed upwards. And all it could really be because God forbid we show the actual people who are currently failing upwards.
It honestly works as satire :
Mr. Incredible is incredible ,
He supports his family , he is selfless objectively a great guy who will be remembered fondly ...
Mr. Huph is a squiggle he is forgettable and annoying
Shows how power comes in many forms
@@davidegaruti2582In the latino spanish/mexican dub, Mr. Huph is known as "Mr. Anger" (Señor Rabia).
Yep. That’s what I was thinking to. A bull, bowing to a dog.
One of the major themes Pixar was going for in Incredibles was the contrast between the mundane and the fantastic. Syndrome is the fantastical villian while Mr. Huph is the villian of the mundane.
Syndrome also blurs the line because he was so good at providing for the mundane (weapons) he achieved fantastical status (buying a private island, advanced tech, a super suit, robots, acting childish and no one punishing him because he had the power to never be told no) and everyone in the island was working for a price, again, using the mundane he transforms it into the fantastical. Using money, something Mr. Humph teases Bob with at the beginning of the film, he manages to beat the fantastical and become the new fantastical.
To a lesser degree, I think Bernie Kropp is also another villain of the mundane.
2 other things not mentioned in the video.
1. The elderly woman Bob is helping with her insurance cover is the same woman he once helped years ago as a superhero to rescue her cat.
2. The mugger after attacking the random civilian doesn't even take anything from them. We see them examine the wallet and see nothing of value in it before discarding it. So Bob had to witness an innocent person who he could have helped get beaten up for ultimately nothing, meaning the robber was probably going to just attack someone else instead too.
I thought the Mugger took the valuable stuff out of the wallet, and then got rid of it once it was empty?
@@iamerror6546 They might have off screen but the most we see is them pickup the wallet and check it before throwing it away a second later. We never actually see them take anything out of it.
I never noticed they were the same people.
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Conformity is the main antagonistic force of The Incredibles: "when everyone's super, no one will be"
"Everyone's special, dash" "that's just another way of saying no one is"
And what does Mr. Huph do? He enacts conformity every step of the way; his fingernails are perfectly trimmed, the five pencils on his desk perfectly in line and perfectly sharpened all the exact same amount, even the memo on his desk threatening insuricare employees not to take office supplies is perfectly aligned. He proceeds to rant at Bob about fitting into a perfect, clock-like system of a company, all while Bob's moral impetus to stick out, to NOT conform but go above and beyond, crime that goes unpunished, is taunted in front of Bob's eyes, and he knows he COULD stop it, he SHOULD stop it, but to do so would not conform, and so even though he could, even though it eats away at him, conformity wins, and the robber gets away. When Huph, a manifestation of evil thriving in conformity antagonizes him a little further, Bob snaps, and throws him through walls. A person so exceptional forced into such conformity just CANNOT succeed.
cool comment, but it's 4 pencils.
@@purple781 eh, potato tomato.
@@purple781 "There are FOUR lights"
Two things I noticed as well was the four clocks on the wall, and chart.
The chart no doubt is related to profits or the company, but it shows a nearly flat, horizontal line.
It's like the company it's self is not allowed to be special or terrible, just a bland existence of doing enough to not fail.
@@purple781 I can't believe I have to use the term "media literacy" unironically but it seems I do, and that is something you need to learn. They were trying to get across as much info as possible about Insuricare, and what Bob has to deal with nearly every day. Not just a boring office job, but an *unethical* boring office job.
He’s not really a villain. He’s the banality of evil.
He’s a person who had all the care kicked out of him before it could root in solidly.
He's also the kind of evil we're more likely to encounter ourselves. While most villains aspire to be as evil as our greatest, very few people are actually Hitler.
@@tminusboom2140I mean yeah, but he's not really a villain- he's just a prick
@@tminusboom2140, who do you think financed Hitler's rise to dominance and, consequently, his rampage against Poland, the jews, soviets and basically the entirety of Europe, right?
Like Scrooge from Christmas Carol?
@@Lolxlol21_ no, Scrooge was more proactive in his evil.
It wasn’t that he was villainous, something just happened in between his happy youth, and his angry old age that made him only care about money.
If I were to hazard to guess, it was likely hearing those sob stories of destitute people, and being determined that it would never happen to him slowly morphing into lust for money.
Bob Marley probably wasn’t a good influence either
My favorite quote is during the mugging scene.
Bob: “hey, there’s a guy out there getting mugged!”
Huph: *”Well in that case let’s hope we don’t cover him!!”*
Like OK. WOW.
In Russian, they said:
Боб: Но его грабят !/He's getting robbed.
Хаф: Надеюсь, что он застрахован этот иуда./I hope he is well ensured, then.
@@therussianwanderer4851 you forgot the Judas in the translation
Can we talk about the bit where Hugh grabs Bob by the jaw? The little bastard has such a _need_ to exert his own power and authority over other people that he doesn't hesitate to literally manhandle someone three or four times his size, just to make them pay attention to his monologue.
Soooo does bobs retaliation count as self defense?
@@Malevolence460 I don't know if it would because the retaliation happened a little bit afterwards after Huph had let go, also the courts would probably see throwing someone through a wall almost killing them as being unproportionable to the chin grab.
@@sarjurastormblade953 _Four_ walls, but still a valid point.
@@danielbilodeau9045 Yep, I think the only reason Huph didn't die was because the walls were drywall instead of brick or concrete.
@@danielbilodeau9045Bob managed to break 4 walls without breaking the 4th one.
Part of it I think is with the themes of trying to rise above mediocrity if you will. You see, Bob is actually doing his job well, and is once again finding himself being punished for not being mediocre.
I’m not sure if it’s about being mediocre but more like Bob is being heavily “encouraged” to screw his clients out of as much money as possible which goes against his very being as a superhero.
@@jeffythesomething8772 It literally goes against the point of an insurance company. Sure there's a lot of legal bullshit, but at it's most basic concept an insurance company is something you pay a recurring fee to with the expectation that if you do end up in a tough financial spot such as what the specific insurance is for such as car, home, or life, they pay you a certain amount to help you quickly deal with the sudden financial need brought on by the costly incident. Mr Huph is illegally going against this, using a bunch of legal bullshit to keep people liek the old lady giving Insuracare money but not having to dish out as much as they'd actually need to. I'd cut ties to that company if I was a customer and if I worked there I'd quite. I'm surprised they're still afloat with how shitty they are. Must have really good PR backing them to keep negativity at bay.
@@jeffythesomething8772 Not just as a hero, as a person. He wants to help people, and he's forced to not do that.
Not exactly. The point of mr Huph corporate ideology is to make the deals of his company as favorable for them as possible at the expense of the clients. Bob, however, is having none of that. Plus, Huph is clearly one of those guys who gets pleasure of having control and throwing his weight around.
Of course a boss like that is gonna hate someone like mr Incredible.
@@user-unos111 With Bob, his job *in theory* is to help people. However, he's being punished for doing "his job" too well, if you will.
In fairness there's definitely more to it than that, but it's an element of it.
Mr. Huph is so scary, he was hired to voice dinosaur toys.
XD
And the Grand Nagis.
Inconcieveable!
I can’t believe I never made the connection until this comment.
Bro.... I realised he voices Rex! Now whenever i see this scene i cant unimagine Rex firing Bob
I also love the contrast between him and Syndrome (and the other villains in general). Not every evil guy can be defeated by punching him.
An evil mime with bombs? A geek with killer robots? Yeah just fight them.
Your boss? That’s a different story. Bob gives him exactly what he deserves. But in doing so, gets in a ton of trouble.
It shows the contrast that you can’t beat all evil by just punching them
Quite the opposite. His mistake was not just outright offing him imo. If you are going to lash out, make sure they never live to tell the tale or are able to harm someone ever again.
@@ethanduncan1646 Killing him wouldn't have been easy to hide though, plus it wouldn't fit Mr. Incredible's character to intentionally execute him for that alone. It makes more sense that he gave him the whooping of a lifetime but almost went overboard and killed him in the heat of the moment.
@@Chicky_Lumps additionally, it would not have stopped the next Boss who would rise to run the coporation.
Insura-care is designed to be exploitative, meaning that many of the upper ranks of the company share that mindset, especially with how upfront Mr. Hugh was with "The law requires that I answer no."
So, let's say Bob killed Mr. Hugh, then Mr. Hugh's next in line moves up, takes over the company, and the pain continues.
It would require a mass lawsuit to cripple the company. IE: Not Mr. Incredible. It would take a guy in a grey suit and a briefcase to take down Insura-care.
@@Chicky_Lumps Its not about hiding it. If you are already going on for assault against some asshole who deserves it and will always be morally bankrupt no matter what might as well follow through. You are already going to prison might as well do some good while you are at it.
@@ethanduncan1646 the government would be willing to cover injury caused by his powers, not outright murder.
One detail I notice with that scene is the fact that Bob literally could not have helped the mugging victim either way. He doesn't have super speed; even if he went at a full sprint out of the office and ran down the stairs, by the time he got out of the office, the mugger would have been long gone. It emphasizes even further how frustrated he is that he would lose his temper and lose his job over not being allowed to help someone who he literally could not have helped anyway.
He probably could have made it there… but… he would have to break the window. Something that he would not be allowed to do.
@@Motleydoll123 Or they could call the police.
@@spongeintheshoethey wouldn't arrive in time, the police can't teleport lol
@@spongeintheshoe indeed. but he was not allowed to do either... he was forced to stay in that office and take the talking to from that little tool (who seemed to enjoy how much power he has over someone like Bob) and so the mugger got away without any interferance any number of things could have been done to stop what happened... but bob was left helpless to help a man he could help. he could have done something... but his boss won't let him. So you can understand very much why bob at the end of his tether finally just snaps and throws his boss through several walls.
Tbh he could have made it. After all, he does have super strength...
He probably could have left the office, found a quiet part of the floor and hopped out the window and land in the ally.
But yeah sucks since that didn’t happen...
If you think he's bad in the movie...
*_HE'S WORSE IN THE ORIGINAL SCRIPT_*
I will quote an exerp from Brad Bird's original screenplay, page 37 :
《 Huph follows Bob's gaze to the window. On the street, the larger man clubs the smaller man with a mace. He crumples to the sidewalk. Huph jerks Bob's face back towards his-- 》
He was not only _concious_ of the mugging, witnessed it himself, and _willingly chose to ignore it,_ but the mugging was *_FAR MORE BRUTAL_* than the few melodramatic punches we saw in the movie. Huph saw a hepless man being beaten half to death and chose to _look past it_ to get back to scolding his employee for helping those in need like the victim on the other side of the glass.
Its probably because I had an unnecessarily dark imagination as a kid. But I always thought the guy died. So the scene upset me probably as much as bob himself.
@@revolvingworld2676
With how the scene framed it, I honestly always thought he died as well.
Either way, Bob’s fury was understandable.
Unless the mugger was a super villain the mace would seem a little weird for him to be carrying
@@roberthosford1658 Mace was likely a stand in for club or something similar
@@patchmoulton5438 why write mace if you don't mean it? I guess it doesn't matter since it's not a mace in the actual movie
Even if his situation was depressing, it was still nice to see Mr Incredible/Bob was still fighting for the common man. Be either beating super villains or helping his clients navigating through the traps of a crooked insurance company.
I used to feel bad for him getting thrown through so many walls and ending up hospitalized. I mean yeah for that I feel bad for him, but I never realized just how bad of a guy he actually was.
I didn't feel sorry for Mr. Huff at all. He's kind of like the pointy haired boss from Dilbert, only much, much worse.
I think once you or your family and friends start struggling with potentially losing insurance, then you wish to be the one that threw him.
As a kid I saw him as a mean boss who wouldn’t even call the cops for a mugging happening in front of him.
As an adult I saw his actual business model and realized this guy is worse than I realized
I knew something was wrong with him when he didn't care that a person was getting assaulted and mugged outside his office, and stopped bob from trying to help
Same, but I was a kid back then. DIdn't really understand the hardships of being an adult. Even grade 10-12, I had a number 1 best friend explain how bad the world is, I still didn't get it, which is pathetic, but when I entered college. I started to go like wait a minute, my number 1 best friend was spitting out sense here. And I have been apologetic since college and onwards towards him. Kind of seeing how I was being an ass to someone that was just getting me down to Earth about the real world.
In my opinion, one of the most vexing things about Mr. Huph's narrative is that Bob, despite all his best efforts and intentions, is not able to put an end to Huph's exploitation of his clients and / or employees - without losing his job, that is. Any actions that Bob could take to undermine Mr. Huph would simply put his own family in financial trouble. Huph basically uses Bob's family as a hostage against him, and he doesn't even have to violate the law like a common criminal.
It all goes back to, "If you are punished for doing good things you are run by evil people."
Which is why people eventually need to rebel against the system but I digress.
4:35 Did anyone ever noticed that Bob is literally in a tight space just by observing his cubicle compared to others? Doesn't it also make sense as a key symbolism of all the pressure and challenges he faced everyday of his life since when he resigned being a superhero for 15years?
In short: he's being forced to fit into a role that doesn't suit him.
@@byronsmothers8064 Now that's another key symbolic feature. It seems the makers really sat down and thought this through. No wonder the movie was really a huge hit in the cinema.
That also makes me wonder if the company also has other things that discriminate against differently abled people
I like the implication that Bob and that old lady were in that office for 15+ years
Least time-consuming insurance meeting.
Still several magnitudes quicker than the DMV.
"Sorry, your insurance doesn't cover a full-body cast. We're going to have to put you out on the streets in new york."
-Ball Par
I just realized that Huph is gonna have to be forced to go through the same twisted system that Bob helped others through. But this time, there will be no Bob Parr to guide Huph through every loophole & obstacle
@@venomfan2020 As a boss in an insurance company he is probably more than rich enough to not need it.
With his sallery he probably has a different company with a better premium and policy that only takes candidates via private referrals. It's remarkable how much better a service gets when it's an exclusive club you need to be an upstanding member of.
@@venomfan2020 that would have been poetic justice
@@venomfan2020 Aah, sweet justice. Maybe that'll teach the little shithole a lesson.
4:15 *WAIT* I never noticed the pillar!
Me neither, omg
Me neither.
In the world of The Incredibles, superhumans using their incredible gifts to help people when no one else can is forbidden but parasites like Mr. Huph and his insurance company exploiting customers for money is perfectly fine.
Sadly, that's happening to our world.
have you heard of Amazon and how their fulfillment centers treat their employees?
Well it shows the real world pretty fine.
People helping people and being good is a fairy tail. Humans exploiting other sadly the reality norm.
@@ThiccTropius how do they treat their employees? I work at Amazon - 3 years at a fulfillment center, and 1 at a delivery station.
@@hebercluff1665 no bathroom breaks while on shift, working unrealistic speeds, meeting impossible quotas, worked sortation and had a hard time keeping up despite going real fast
"Contrary to popular wisdom, its actually the weak who bully the strong."
I forget who said that and when, but it's a quote that sticks to me.
That sounds an awful lot like something a social Darwinist would say, so I’m not sure about that one.
@@lordfelidae4505 I think the implication of the line is that it's not the physical strength or amount of power of the bully that makes them a bully, it's that they lack the moral strength to not be a bully.
But it's such a short and vague line that it's easy to read some worrying stuff into it. Plus, it lacks nuance (something that's true for most aphorisms)
That reminds me of a Jordan Peterson quote: "If you think strong men are capable of terrible acts, just imagine what weak men can do."
@@lordfelidae4505 A statement can be true even when said by someone who uses it as part of a messed-up ideology, what makes the ideology messed-up is the parts that are not true and the fallacious logic that constitutes the rest of it. You can disagree with a statement, but I encourage you to develop why, instead of limiting yourself to "a bad guy said it". Otherwise you risk falling into other kinds of messed-up ideologies.
It's obvious what the quote means. Get over yourself.
Mr Gilbert Huph is the most realistic villain in The Incredibles series . He is more realistic than Syndrome , Bomb Voyage, Screenslaver or the Underminer. His power is manipulation, bribery and dishonesty rather than a super power like strength or speed. People will more likely encounter a corrupt boss than fighting a criminal.
You say that like a corrupt boss isn't also an example of a criminal
Street criminal
I may be stretching it but I like how there seems to be a slight mirrored duality between Mr Hoff/Insuricare and Syndrome. Both claim to help people, with the former providing insurance and the latter being a hero, but they both have terrible motivations, with the former only interested in money and the later with the glory and usurping his idol, both instead of actually caring for the people.
I remember reading this writing prompt answer-about a super hero who, rather than directly participating in typical hero work, instead uses his powers of matter manipulation to repair damages after your typical super powered brawl. It starts off hopeful, with him utilizing his powers to restore livelihoods that'd usually be lost as he repairs the homes of those caught in the crossfire of those caught between villain hero showdowns, but as it progresses, it becomes steadily clear just how much the system itself is failing, pushing back at his attempts to fix homelessness. Finally, he snaps, beginning to destroy stadiums built over people's homes, rejecting a stark esqu hero request to build a base from which he could build a surveillance system, and otherwise demolishing suites and other luxurious housings to create housing for the people that need it. Eventually the 'heroes' are sent to stop him. He loses, because he simply never used his powers for actual combat.
As he sits in his cell, he wonders if all the villains he's next to were exactly like him. With that thought, he rises up, breaks his cell with his powers, and quickly leads a revolt.
serious this deserve to be some good novel.
Cringe
Thats sounds an awful lot like what happens in Invincible
I'm not a huge fan of most rich people, but this prompt started off sounding interesting then just devolved into French Revolution political daydreaming.
It'd be easy to write something like that in support of socialism and/or communism.
I think the worst part is how realistic of a character Gilbert Huph is. There are so many bosses, managers, and corporate executives in real life that are just like Mr. Huph and get away with it.
When Bob throws Mr. Huph, he actually breaks the fourth wall. Literally.
Good catch. I never counted the walls before.
It's not often that I am able to make the most out of a single set of scenes and elaborate on their details, let alone in a movie like this. Massive respect.
In the film commentary, Brad Bird mentions that one animator REALLY wanted to animate the scene where Bob finally snaps and grabs Mr Huph by the neck. He suspected that said animator had issues with a previous boss that they were channeling into their work.
in that case, they REALLY nailed the fury put into it
Hope that animator got some catharsis out of it. Too bad he/she couldn't do that to their shitbag previous boss in real life.
If this movie were made today, they'd make this guy the main villain.
Hell, they practically do in the sequel.
Well, not exactly. He works perfectly in his role as someone who enforces the mundane. Screensaver was someone who wanted everybody to forge their own paths and not need dependence. I know the sequel gets a lot of flack, and the criticisms on how the B plot was a bit too big as well as screenslaver's execution do hold up. However, that villain WORKED. Mr. Huph is the exact opposite of Screenslaver. He doesn't need exceptions in his company. He needs a well-oiled machine, one that functions only because no piece is able to tell the time of his giant clock by themselves.
Just like Japanese society.@@plaidhatter1674
I still think Incredibles 2 is pretty much as great as the original. It isn’t quite as deeply thematic, but it still has the same atmosphere. Screenslaver is a cool villain, but the competition is Syndrome so naturally Evelyn isn’t going to be as good.
damn... who couldve guessed mr incredible worked for EA
My family was denied money *three times* by their insurance companies, one for a serious medical emergency and two for natural catastrophes that damaged their hotel business. They always required paper after paper, certificate after certificate and dragged the whole process before giving some bullshit excuse and denying us the money.
Sue them you say? The case would drag on for years and it would cost more money than you actually lost. Even if you won, it would not be worth it.
Mr Huph was probably not the CEO of those companies, but he definitely trained their managers.
Instead of having insurance just have an emergency fund or something, all insurance is scam lmao.
You forgot that he dropped the absolute coldest line when the guy was getting mugged "well lets hope we dont cover him" 🥶🥶
Incredibles 1 had genuinely good villains, even as a Kid I knew something was wrong with Mr. Huph when he didn't care that a man was getting mugged.
After you read what that paper said on the desk, I started to think to myself, he really is a villain. Maybe a "small one", but a villain nonetheless.
He's no more a villain that your typical company executive...oh wait.
@@DracoMagnius 🤣😂You're not wrong there. Most company executives now-a-days are probably much like him. They probably wouldn't care if there was a murder in progess right outside their window.
In a world of superheroes, there are supervillains and everyday villains. That's what I like in any superhero project; it shows that each different villain requires a different approach from the hero.
Fighting a supervillain works, but fighting your antagonistic boss... Not so much
9:10 - 10:15
Some dreamworks animator/graphic designer is crying tears of joy as you read and appreciate this long-lost cutting room floor tragedy.
As small a detail as this is, thank you for bringing this to my attention.
The Incredibles is one of those movies I can watch several times over and still pick up on new details over 20 years later. I'm always happy to see people still talking about the movie.
Remember - the only way insurance companies make a profit is by denying claims. The idea of health insurance is ludicrous, as you will NEED to claim it. Insurance is only useful as is when there is a CHANCE you will need it.
The more I think of it, spending money on something you can claim to have, but never use how you want, insurance begins to sound an awful lot like NFTs...
This is not correct. Insurance companies generally make a profit by charging the average policy holder more than the average policy holder will use per time period. Denying claims is one way to reduce the "average policy holder usage" part, but it is by no means necessary. Insurance companies are entirely capable of operating purely like a giant emergency savings account for large numbers of people, letting policy holders who don't use it much subsidize those that suddenly encountered giant healthcare costs, and skimming a bit off the top - it just makes competitive rates harder to achieve.
@@somdudewillson Okay, Mr. Huph.
@@BababooeyGooey They were more or less explaining why Mr. Huph was insurance-ing wrong.
@@byronsmothers8064sounds like taxes and public services TBH
I feel like one of the reason's that superhero's were banned was so they could never learn that there are even worse villains on the other side of the Law and do something about it.
I mean the movie was pretty explicit that it was cheaper for insurance to pay out to the victims of supervillains than it was for the government to pay for the damages to infrastructure caused by so called heros. I feel like there's a bit of subtle commentary there.
Mr. Incredible used to help people; he used to help them out with major or mundane things (such as the scene where he gets the old lady’s kitten from a tree and stops a robbery).
But now he’s not allowed to be a superhero, so he still tries to help people with more mundane problems, but his job actively encourages him to screw over clients instead of helping them. He used to help people with their problems, now he’s heavily encouraged to BE a problem for people. His frustration is extremely understandable.
this feels like a channel that should be semi-famous with like 50k-200k subs, but i was unpleasantly surprised when i saw how unsung your channel is. im super sure you're going to blow up very soon. good luck
Thanks. I've actually had a couple of videos that have done reasonably well, I just can't seem to get those kind of results consistently. The algorithm giveth and the algorithm taketh away, I suppose.
Hobbs represents the stereotypical evil boss most have at dead end corporate jobs that we all gotta deal with, unfortunately.
I'm surprised Bob didn't go full villain, ignoring the law and declaring himself an arbiter of justice. Imagine that for a movie, a Hero who went rogue because his desire to save the innocent outweighed the law.
That should have been the incredibles 2 plot!
@@racionador Nah.
Anti heroes are overdone.
@racionador Nah we already have that, it's called Rise of the Underminer for the PS2.
Also would that be a villain or vigilante?
But isn’t what you described essentially what he did? After the anti-hero law was put in place, he was sneaking around looking for trouble under the cover of darkness with Frozone, going as far as to use their powers against law enforcement, then Bob got himself caught up in Syndrome’s hero-snuffing schemes under the pretence of being a professional undercover vigilante. He WAS going rogue, but had the incentive to do it secretively for the sake of his family and not blowing their cover.
The only way Bob would end up “full villain” would be if he were to completely disregard his family for his own gain, and that isn’t in Bob’s nature at all. Maybe you could play with the idea of him being driven clinically insane, but I don’t see that happening when he has such a loving family to fall back on.
I'd also look at the old lady's paperwork - it lists her as a Profit Risk, and specifically mentions that she may "use" her age "against" Insuracare.
He is secretly the angry South Pole elf from the movie, well, Elf.
They don't want us to know the truth😂
FBI OPEN UP!!
This is simply my take on this, but the paper on the desk while Mr. Huph is lecturing Bob isn't shown so that the audience can read it and see how evil the company is, but rather the focus is on Mr. Huph's body language in that moment. Just like the pencils, the man is so orderly that he has become predictable. The adjustment of the paper is a visual signal for Bob that a line he's heard before, enough times where he's memorized the exact movement of the paper that precedes it, is on its way. Hence, he predicts Mr. Huph's words and parrots them alongside him, much to Mr. Huph's pleasure. The shot's composition (from Bob's POV) is as it is in order to convey to the audience that this is a detail Bob is noticing and reacting to.
Admittedly, it's rather amazing that Pixar took the time to write out the entire memo despite its primary purpose likely being that of a visual signal to the audience that Mr. Huph's personality is predictable and life-draining.
I never caught the PA system saying "Morning break is over" or that it was implying he was working during his break.
Damn.
I love Bob's little smile as she walked out.
The scene with the paper does have one particular purpose. It pairs with things such as him straightening the pencils. The specific action he's taking with the paper is to straighten it out on the desk. This gives us some insight as to his personality. We know through his words and facial expressions that he's a greedy narcissist and sadistic control freak, but through the little gestures such as with the pencils and paper we can also tell he's something of an obsessive perfectionist who desires all within his control to be in perfect order. Everything in its place exactly down even to the precise orientation. This pairs nicely with what he's reprimanding Bob for. Bob correctly states that he's been a model employee who has fulfilled his legal obligations down to the letter, but this isn't how his boss views his role. His goal is to make money at any cost and never spend it, going so far as to design his business model around it being as close to impossible for customers to get any payout they deserve as possible. Bob providing a means for customers to actually get what they are owed puts him "out of line" in the eyes of his boss like a tilted pencil, and the reprimanding is meant to adjust his behavior to get him "straightened out" in line with his boss's ambitions.
4:56 I love hearing him SCREAMING in the background of the secretary call. It adds so much character.
I absolutely love the office note for two reasons:
1) The implication of the letter is that Mr. Huph is more concerned with having the company pay for his parking and office supplies then the wellfare of his fellow man.
2) The fact that you would never know this unless you paused the film and read it.
The thing is that Mr hoth knows Bob was Mr incredible cause it’s implied the government helped Bob secure the job and keep things under wraps so the fact he knows and still laughs at the idea of a dude getting mugged is insane to me
Does he?
The government helped Bob secure the job, yes. That doesn't mean his direct superior knows anything. It's very likely his superpowers were known only to a few people in HR, and possibly the board. Keeping secrets requires being subtle.
9:57 This basically predicted the entire 2020s with "record profits, financial uncertainty" 😅
WOTC over christmas be like:
I hope Mr.Hoff's insurance denied him, just as he denied his customers.
Even though not every a-hole is a villain,this dude IS both
I don't feel bad when Mr.Huph was thrown through those walls. Probably bad the least bad thing to ever happen to him
And imagine, what if his own insurance company refused to fund his time off, that would be the icing on the cake.
My boss looks exactly like this guy. Like if my boss went to get a characature done of himself the artist would draw thus guy
Ditto.
Does your boss act like this guy?
@anancapcat4221 Nah, he's not that bad, a bit annoying, tbh
@@Dmgladiator2642 Is it okay if I ask what company you work for and what position?
Sounds kind of cool or should I just stop right here?
3:41 Head cannon:
Hoff: "Tell me how you're keeping Insuricare 'in the black'! Tell me how that's possible with you writing checks to every Harry Harluck and Sally Sob story that gives you a phone call!"
Bob: "Tell me how we can call ourselves an insurance company if we *can't afford* to insure anyone!"
Humph: I didn't become this rich by writing checks out!
Putting Lotso as sympathetic is crazy
I mean, sure he's definitely an evil guy but the reason he is that way was due to a tragic backstory. He was abandoned by his owner which left him with a nihilistic worldview that he then applied to everyone else he ever met. You can't condone his actions but you can at least sympathize with what led him down that path.
@@stuartbarron7117 I kinda find that goes out the window cos the reason why she replaced him was because he was her favourite toy and she lost him purely by accident, he wasn't abandoned cos she didn't love him any more. His gaslighting of Chuckles and Big Baby into believing they too had been abandoned didn't help either. I can see why people might feel that way, but I just think him not going to push the button is such an infamous Moral Event Horizon for a reason.
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Yeah, my sympathy had run dry for Lotso, it’s clear he was a complete and utter narcissist to the end.
He didn’t even try to find a work around for the situation, maybe his owner would have loved to have two Lotsos, but he didn’t care, he felt replaced and no one else should be as loved as him.
He didn’t care about Chuckles or Big Baby, he just didn’t want to be alone in his misery. He’d leave Woody and his friends to die by incinerator rather than help them like how they helped him because he’s just filled with that much spite.
It's a bit more sad, when you realise the true irony of Daisy getting a new Lotso. While all three toys were left by accident, Lotso was the only one that was replaced. There was no new Big Baby or Chuckles the clown, because Lotso was the only one she cared about. That would say that she loved all three equally, but in reality, she only cared that Lotso was gone. Her parents either pulled the 'We found him(secretly bought a new one)' or got a new one outright. Either way, she has Lotso back, her favorite toy, who cares about the other two. Old Lotso didn't see it that way though. He saw it as a betrayal: she had Lotso back, but not the Lotso that was 'him'. Even worse was him telling the others that they had all been replaced, despite Chuckles knowing the truth, and spinning it so that they would abandon Daisy altogether.
The Mr. Huph should be shown to all companies as an example of how not to be a manager:
*Deliberately deceiving customers in a borderline illegal manner.
*Lacking restraint and shouting in the office frequently.
*Punishing employees who are technically not doing anything wrong, which opens up the potential of a lawsuit.
*Being boring and repetitive, which doesn't improve morale.
*Physically contacting and shouting at an employee.
*Ignoring a violent crime and not immediately reporting it (which is likely its own crime), then making jokes about it.
Granted, Bob being an unprofitable employee is an actual management issue. However, Bob is not doing anything wrong, and Huph admits that. The best course of action would be to update their policies to prevent these exploits from draining company profits. It would be an unpopular change, but it's not like the competition isn't already doing stuff like that anyways.
It’s insane but this is how most real insurance agencies operate. In varying degrees of this corruption obviously
I'm so glad you also talked about the letter on his desk, which just goes to show how much detail Pixar includes.
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8:52 That seemingly random shot of a piece of paper, to me, is one of either two things:
Either the storytellers wanted to reinforce Mr. Huph's overly meticulous nature with this shot (adding to the pencils he keeps in line).
Or, as I have taken it: it is an attempt at a psychological power play. The contents of the paper don't actually matter - it is the fear that it could be something like a disciplinary notice that would worry many employees and drive them to cooperate with/pay attention to Mr. Huph. Given Mr. Huph's ego about his management position, it wouldn't surprise me if he's the kind of manager to try to intimidate his employees like this...he clearly enjoys the power he has over them.
It could be a bit of both. But the fact that Bob rolls his eyes at this display makes me think he's seen this tactic before and isn't impressed or especially concerned.
Anyways, great video! Syndrome gets most of the glory out of the villains in this movie (rightfully, I'd say), but Mr. Huph is the kind of mundane villain we love to hate and he fills the role well.
Criminally underrated video
Was going to comment the same thing
One thing I love about these scenes is that as a kid, I had no idea what insurance was or that this was all commentary about real world malicious and manipulative business practices, but the line delivery, cinematography, and editing all perfectly allowed me to understand exactly what was going on and still follow the film
I kinda wonder why bob didn't try to become a fire fighter, or a police officer
his physical abilities and experience as a super hero would help alot for those professions.
i mean he might not get paid super well but i don't see a desk jockey gets paid much either.
I think the government specifically picked a job where Bob is least likely to show off his powers by accident. Heroes are supposed to be in hiding at this point
hes probably not allowed to by law. to closely related to "being a super hero"
The fact thay you read the one frame page that im pretty sure everyone forgot about is just awesome, nice pixar detail and great love for the content man
the most impressive thing about this video is you have such a great appreciation for film WITHOUT seeing The Princess Bride
Huph's treatment of his customers and employees is inconceivable!
Ah, the micro manager.
😂😂🤣 It all makes sense now.
He’s literally a little man abusing his big position. A kind of villain I’m sure we all know. He represents that Bob doesn’t just fight cartoonish costumed supervillains, he’ll stand up to realistic ones too.
0:04 Your best option would have been to go to the unions and call for a strike.
This is back in the 80s unions hadn't been invented yet
@@NoName-xc6cgWorker strikes have been a thing since 1830's Britain
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I thought it was the 60s or 50s. @@NoName-xc6cg
@NoName-xc6cg 60s actually
The Umbridge of Pixar.
Mr. Huph got exactly what he deserves
His insurance likely didn't pay out either
It shows how BRILLIANT Brad Bird's writing is! He is a GENIUS story teller!
I nEVER noticed the pillar in his cubicle. Thank you for pointing it out, definitely puts the scene in a new perspective for me!
The boss' office scene is one of the most underrated in the movie. The lack of color, the 4 pencils that are all of equal length and perfectly placed on the desk, the 4 clocks all showing the exact same time, the stagnating graph in the back whatever it means and now the note you pointed out. it just tells you a ot about the company and the boss as a character
8:21, Wallace Shawn did a great job playing Vizzini
Huph is arguably more evil than syndrome. Syndrome has killed hundreds of heroes and endangered thousands. Huph is making the lives of thousands of employees and tens of thousands of people a living hell. And he does it willingly and joyfully. Huph and his company need a visit from Tyler Durden and Project Mayhem.
I’m wouldnt be surprised if Mr Huph and Syndrome encountered each other at one point
Very good! A minor antagonist can be just as interesting as a main villain.
You must write your own scripts. 😅
Insurance is the thing that made all heroes stop heroing and he's forces to confront insurance claims as a job.
When he punched his boss, it's him punching the system that forced him to stop heroing personified.
you should definitelt give princess bride a watch, it's a classic and for good reason :)
I think that second scene was to help young audiences really understand what kind of villain this guy is. He really is an unsung villain that is waay too real
I remember seeing a traumatized Mr.Huph's toy in one of those bootleg figure sets when I was a child
Bob's fellow innsuracare employees probably saw him as a hero after sending the short one through three walls
This man makes Syndrome seem likeable and relatable. Yeah, Syndrome a psychopath, but he's a genius engineer doing something I can wrap my mind around: acting out of spite, the dark side of parasocial relationships before that word was in our popular vernacular, in another timeline he could have been a more heroic figure possibly, had his earlier life gone differently. Mr Hoff is loathsome because I see him as a functional sociopath, the kind who is why our society is so passively cruel to others. We don't see them as villains or even bad people because they're normalized to the point of being mundane.
I recently had to deal with an insurance claim and it went horribly. This scene kept running through my mind.
9:00 - How prescient. This is (an extreme portrayal of) how many corporations acted during and after the pandemic. Record profits, slashing hours and benefits.
I never considered Bob disrupting the pencils mirroring how he disrupts how Mr. Huph wants to run his business. Nice detail!
A fun idea for a punishment is that he got his memory erased and tried to claim insurance, only to not get denied but arrested for insurance fraud.
That’s interesting about what the paper actually says when you zoom in. The movie implies that Huph is lecturing Bob from a script, because Bob eyes the paper Huph tries to nonchalantly orient and then predicts the next words Huph says.
In a privately traded company "record profits" is a bad sign for the employee since about the 70s. Investors expect record dividends too, so the company has to placate them so that they don't drop their shares. That means cutbacks, sometimes even downsizing.
My mum has worked in a lot of offices in her life, and she had a few bosses that were just like Mr. Huph. She always likes the head office scene, not just because it’s funny, but because she wished she could throw some of her bosses through a wall. And I can agree; Gilbert Huph represents one of those everyday villains who cause people problems on a regular basis.
This was a really great video! It really made me reflect on just how great the writing for Mr. Huph is, and you also helped me notice small details that I otherwise missed, such as the "Morning break is now over" line. I'm sorry I only found this video now. You do great work!