Nietzsche and Dionysus: Tragedy and the Affirmation of Life
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Are you familiar with the Dionysian myth of Zagreus? The god Zagreus, apparently, was the first incarnation of Dionysos. While this story further affirms the similarity of Dionysus to Jesus, the myth of Zagreus implies a fundamental divine nature to mankind, as well as a path of reincarnation that finally leads to full expression of that divine form after shedding the mortal form. Also, Zagreus was a shape-shifter, possibly the origin of the epithet "many-forms" . . .
I love the way myths of different people at different times have so many common threads. Actually, he does not seem that similar to Jesus, except maybe that he changed everything. Dionysus seems darker. This reminds me more of Eastern religions that more fully embrace death and destruction as a part of the cycle.
coreycox2345 don't worry; I'm not a Christian, just making an observation, and clearly the myths of Zagreus and Dionysus preceded the myths of Jesus or the Catholic religion . . . .
excellent video 10/10.
coreycox2345 the history of Christianity represents to me that paradox here on one hand is salvation and on the other hand suffer accordingly this inability to attain to expectations beyond the abilities that evolution has equiped one with. One need only view history to see the shadows of Christianity yet within all that I find self overcoming and the beatitudes speaks of a personal resolve rather than a resolve one has no choice but to accept as in Christianity.
That twice born is within us all though definitions apply to differentiate, to me to die and be reborn in lesser deaths gaining those wonderful self -destructive energies into a rebirth and of refuelling to replace or recharge the energies necessary in artistic creation that amor fati painful as it might be does have that a recompense.....
"I don't want you to remove my pain. I need my pain. My pain is what makes me who I am."
James T. Kirk.
I don't like Star Trek. But it's a good quote! ♡
Nice. From which episode?
well said.
That is a pretentious and manifestly false statement.
Illogical Captain, but one way to deal with pain I suppose.
never stop making content
Thanks Ab. Man its really ashame Ur brains got blown outta Ur skull.
Same here never stop making content
D t never stop not making co tent nev r ever
I was thinking of writing the comment from a long time.
To Whoever is the creator of this content-
Nietzsche would be proud of you for the kind of work you are doing through these videos. Not only him, but a lot of great thinkers would be proud of you. You have helped me, and I'm sure you have helped a thousand others.
I'm from India- a country which itself has a great ancient tradition of intellectual thought as it is the birthplace of Hinduism, Buddhism, Sikhism, Jainism, and the home of Sufi Islam. However, we went into a rot a couple of hundred years ago- a total and absolute rot! we have not produced anything original or significant since at least 500 years. Indian society needs a big shock or destruction in order to start afresh without being weighed down by its own ancient traditions.This video just reminded me of it. Societies need shocks and suffering to truly flourish. Anyways, I will surely support you through Patreon. If you ever visit India, just let me know - you have a host.
Thank you.
I am a fellow Indian. Thank you for sharing that. You truly still carry ancient Indian hospitality by your spirit.
India is perhaps one of the only few countries in the modern world that accepts the Dionysian and also instinctively practices it unapologetically. The amount of suffering and pain that is seen around and yet the affirmation of the will to live and survive. A western man may not be able to survive India even for a year, if he chose to relive his life based upon the inhumane conditions.
However, what India needs is a reevaluation of her ancient myths to a modern context. To bring dignity to the human life through her mythology, to heal former errors through a revaluation of values. Every nation of historic value goes through a time of sunkenness, but eventually as history affirms, due to a rich folklore that is life affirming, she rises like a Phoenix from it's ashes. The time has reached it's full fruition; the next two generations will reshapen the psycho-spiritual malady that has plagued the nation due to the Varna system as well as the christianization from past Anglo-Saxon roots.
On a different note, Nietzsche would go into the annals of history as the man who saved humanity from the machines through acceptance of the Dionysian will.
Wise word friends.✨
@@danielraju4458 The idea struck me, as most of our temples have sexual portrayal , symbolizing maybe the pain which proceeds later, similar to how the greek worshiped procreation
The more I get familiar with Nietzsche's thoughts, the more I understand what a great person he was.
People do not understand, Nietzsche was Pensioned out of University for
Ill Health, it was Syphilis a terror in those days. Text Books lie, he
had paresis cerebral atrophy in late-stage syphilis.which the wrongly
label Mental Breakdown .
The miracle was he lived and wrote as a man with Syphillis and wrote his
greatest works, then late stage Syphillic Paresis took his life. Not
insanity, Syphillis. It was kept secret by stupid people who like to
say" His hatred of God drive him Insane." Rather stunning how mean liars
and jealous morons hate upon Nietzsche because he was righteous in all
his words and deeds, while Christianity was committing Genocidal Mass
Murder on Red, Yellow and Coloured People world-wide?
@@edwardlouisbernays2469 Hey man. I'm no expert, but I've read a few articles stating that the diagnosis of syphilis was in fact ungrounded and the widespread diagnosis that he contracted syphilis from a prostitute was also used as a smear campaign.
The most compelling argument I've read states that Nietzsche had CADASIL. It best explains his symptoms and psychopathological behaviour.
"Cerebral autosomal dominant arteriopathy with subcortical infarcts and leukoencephalopathy (CADASIL) accounts for all the signs and symptoms of Nietzsche's illness."
Nietzsche was soo ahead of his time his parents haven’t met yet lol
@@edwardlouisbernays2469 Based on what i've read in some of his works he never really shat heavily on religion or believers for their reasons either, which makes it even more tragic. Just demonized for presenting an alternative school of life.
@@edwardlouisbernays2469 you just had to plug in your ahistorical 21st century last man egalitarianism at the end there.
The best channel on Nietzsche!
True.. Your Picture. Who is that? That mustache reminds me of Wyatt Earp.
Tauney Elysia that’s nietzsche
@@N12Gautam nah I'm pretty sure its Wyatt Earp. You can tell by the mustache.
John Doe tf u talking about John Doe
@@N12Gautam that's rootin tootin shootin Wyatt Earp. Are we looking at different pictures?
"The secret is that only that which can destroy itself is truly alive." ~ C.G. Jung
I am at one of the toughest times in my life right now and have had several vivid dreams involving Dionysus and his companion Pan, as well as strange synchronicity events of them randomly popping up in my life in completely unrelated contexts, so I decided to look into it more, since I knew nothing about the two.
Thank you for this video. Its messages are very important to me. I will take it to heart.
Please never stop man. You are changing people's lives whether you know it or not. You changed my whole outlook
This certainly put today's crazy-ness in perspective. I suddenly feel free to embrace all of life, without resentment. This is definitely a message for our time.
Dionysus be like Yin and Yang on crack
Good observation. It's interesting to note that Yin/Yang is a Chinese/Eastern philosophy, yet Dionysus awoke from a Western philosophy. But yet, they come to the same conclusion. It shows that there really is no "east" or "west," but that all human experience is fundamentally the same.
He do be like that doe
@@doomdong69420 he do be likes dat mayne
In Nietzsche’s book, “Beyond Good and Evil,” he proposed that we “expel the anti-Semitic squallers out of the country.” He wrote, and “I will have all antisemites shot.”
A drunk yin and yang if you will
Accidentally stumbling on this jewel of a channel, I can say that this is what's missing in my UA-cam diet. Unlike the more popularising philosophy channels (which I also find useful), this is much more focused and nuanced, if not a little tedious at times. A worthwhile sacrifice, to be a little Dionysian :) Great work AoI. Cheers!
Also, I find having a little foreknowledge greatly helpful to my understanding of the topic, thus I recommend Taleb's 'Antifragile', a more modern take on Dionysus.
i swear i wast thinking about this book as well watching this...
Dionysus, Entropy and Chaos. Maddness. Nice God.. Always love the savage who eats people..
The words of Joseph Campbell came back to me while listening to this. You must say, "yes" to all of life, the good and the evil. It was in the context of questioning a Buddhist teacher touching upon the essence of enlightenment. It sounded familiar and true at the time I first encountered it, but I had never before associated this with the ancient Greek myth of Dionysus. This has definitely given me a new perspective on both Nietzsche and Dionysus. What a mind stimulating and terrific lecture! Thank you.
The world needs this information more than ever right now. We struggled for thousands of years acting, mimicking, iconically representing, and finally articulating these important human truths. These ideas need to be made common knowledge again if not in the articulated way at least acted out and discovered.
Wouldn’t it be good if people embraced this notion of life instead of OxyContin!
cheers to a dyonysian exsistence
theres always the statue of Attis
Just got woke up by a dream of going to army boot camp, (am 63), now have a pipe in one hand and a gin and tonic in the other. Does that qualify?
CHEERS!
The affirmation of negation within dionysian becoming or nihilism is justified through affirmation of transvaluation as a gateway to cultural or spiritual renewal. This sounds very Hegelian and may have been why Nietzsche was critical of his early work. The conjunction of opposites within the dialectic of self overcoming was perhaps never shaken off by him. From the perspective of our current culture wars I see more dionysian elements in the woke inspired Left than the Right. In any case, the affirmation of the destructive spirit for some utopian future is more dionysus than most of us want.
This is saving me. I started meditating today after a couple weeks of not doing so. As I was meditating on the root chakra, the name Dionysus just came in my head and it sounded so familiar. I woke up this morning feeling empty, I was certain it was due to me not focusing on the moment and starting to let thoughts take over. I had negative thought patterns all day till I meditated and researched who Dionysus was when the name sounded in my head. I’m a huge fan of Donnie Darko and everything that has the “as above so below” complex. Destruction is a form of creation
I don't know how old you are. Do you remember The doors and Jim Morrison?. That dude personified Diosysos the way he experienced his life. He read Nietzsche and others of that mind when he was like 12 years old. Sad because I doubt he had enough emotional intelligence to handle it. He died just to experience it at such a young age.
Darko is my fav movie
@@michelledicesare9808 i had been thinking of Morrison while listening to this video. The guy literally became Dionysus.
love is dionisian, we experience insane duality of suffering and joy, but all what we would recall is the brief moments of joy we felt, i love Dionysus so much
Your channel gives me hope at least two folks in my country share the same fascinations as I do.
Indeed,
Man cannot survive without a ray of hope.
That bai
lon nhat
cua
Doi nguoi
La
Tuyet vong.
I’m right there with you Bud
So nice... your narrative and narration itself feels like poetry.
amor fati
So the duality of joy and virtue with sorrow and sin.
Yes. Embrace both. I did only "good" side through beliefs of christianity and repressed my "evil" side. I'm glad it reminded me of itself through suffering and breakdown. Depression and other mental illnesses can be a blessing.
I don't think you realize how immensely important the work your doing is friend, thank you
That was scary and beautiful.
I've seen a number of your videos, I'm especially impressed with this one.
i love your nietzsche videos, good job! great channel!
For better or for worse, it seems one must first thirst in order to appreciate the quencher. In other words, it may be that the Taoist assertion that positivity and negativity are necessary to each other, is true. You may be an eternal being engaged in the negative phase of a never ending cycle, a form of eternal recurrence if you will, of oscillating polarity which enables you to cope with that which you neither determine nor control. Like breathing, first you find yourself in a state of unbearable deprivation, which is wonderfully satisfying to fulfill. Once fulfilled, if one attempts to hold on to that feeling, it loses its potency and becomes unbearably burdensome, leaving one desirous of relief. That relief is oh so sweet but comes at a price; returning one to a state of deprivation and so, the cycle continues.
christ your full of shit.
dragonfishing What are you, a moron? Layman terms: Ya gotta be really tired to enjoy a good nights rest. If you were always sleeping at 11 p.m. and waking up at 7a.m., would you REALLY enjoy the sleep? Sounds pretty bland to me.
I'm replaying this over. It's so comforting and the paintings are superb accompaniment.
Great lecture ...thanks for imparting the profundity of Dionysian imperatives , which is sublime .
Great video, although if you could insert the names of the paintings as you show them that would be fantastic :)
I think you can find them by print screening and searching for the painting with google image search, at least you can get some site where it is linked and probably named. :)
Although i wouldn't mind seeing the names in the video either.
Haha we have an art collector here?
Maybe not an art collector, more of an art enthusiast ;)
I approve this!
SainteLucile yes! I always think this in videos that don't label the works
Without life there is no death.
Without death there is no life.
Life is the source of death.
Death is the source of life.
Therefore, when I meet death, I want to say to him:
`I am ready for you, my friend.'
1+ -1=0= 1+ -1
Is this from you or part of it or is a quote or part of one?
Greate quote, where did you get it?
Black and white are man made at the end these are all words when you see out of black and white you'll see time is a flat circle
"I don't know why you say goodbye,
I say hello."
-Dionysus, as "The Beatles"
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Just seeing this video.... Awesome Work! This was the fastest most in depth synopsis of Nietche Dionysus/Dionisio and Dionysian principles.
Thanks!!!
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Amazing passion to put this together. I will share this with my circle.
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This was great! I starting writing after hearing this. It's a great analogy to use, no wonder Nietzsche liked it.
The one channel all young men need to be watching today.
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Reminds me of the concept of Han and Jeong in Korean Culture.
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I would like to add to this, in that the story of Dionysus did not begin with his birth; In many myths, he was previously born to Zeus in the form of a serpent, and Persephone - Rulers of the heavens and the underworld, respectively. The titans captured him, torn him limb from limb, boiled his flesh and devoured him, save for his heart, which Athena managed to rescue and return to Zeus. Zeus ground the heart into a potion to give to Semele, and from there, Dionysus was reborn once more, not only of the divinity of the light on high and the dark below, but also of the mortal in-between. Thus he is shown in many cases to have two distinct forms - This older Dionysus, known as Zagreus, with a beard and masculine features - And a younger, effeminate form.
I read of the myth of Zagreus and saw within him the duality and contrast of my own soul over a year ago, and that is why I have decided to bear his name.
Amazing! Where did you learn this? I am interested in this version of his birth
WOW
what valuable work you present!
Thank you!
Greetings from Switzerland
Thank you my friend! I needed this today!!
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Absolutely incredible content. Thank you so much
Heavy content all making sense. Thanks for the journey.
Great video. Clear and easy to follow.
Apollo next please! this was great!
This was such a great video! I was always drawn to Dionysis myself and especially at this point in my life have found myself surrounded by the most questionable of characters, having fun with their eccentricities. People tell me I need to find peers of "better quality" lol but they don't understand me.
After listening to a handful of youtube Nietzsche lextures, I would like to commend you for being the best of the bunch, sir.
Thank you, this is a game changer in perspective. And rightfully so as things are as such.
Bravo, great work, my deepest thanks.
This revitalised me. Made me cry.
I'm intrigued by the similarity between Shiva and Dionysus
Dionysus is kind of more of an anti-shiva. Siv is complete control organization like a Father. Dionysus is chaos and hedonism
@@shadowforger2035 oh no.. he is the god of death as well as life. Chaos and order. He dwells on cremation ground. his offering is somam and weed (the agoris for example)
Great video. I haven't read him much since college, so this was a nice recap.
you have amazing videos i have seen them all and of course will send them to friends :)
Really good explanation. Congrats!
This probably the most valuable and important channel on youtube.
I think this is my favourite of the Nietzsche videos 👌🏼
Dionysus is such an interesting character in Greek myth, ignored but not forgotten
This is brilliant and very helpful.
I love your channel. Thank you so much.
Needed this today.
Before I knew of Nietzsche I was loving the pain with the joy, but it was because I was so poor and neglected as a child that my only possession was an encyclopedia; I read it, in fact, I learned to read by reading it and once I had exhausted every article, my mind made an insane leap forwarders and I literally evolved into a higher man that could see and love the duality of pain and joy. Though I was poor and neglected, I was blessed.
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Loved this video, kudos!
I love this form of thinking and it makes me wonder
Thank you, i really needed this...
Also, very very well done. Keep going, this is what "content" should be, yet all too rare in the jungle of the internet....
Thanks for keeping me posted
TLDR: being super depressed and still hanging on is the best state of being.
Hanging on since depression really hit back in around 91, when I was 13.
This was an excellent video. Kudos.
“If you have hitherto believed that life was one of the highest value and now see yourselves disappointed, do you at once have to reduce it to the lowest possible price?”
Nice information. Dionysius, such an interesting idea. So compelling, so relatable.
Favorite video hands down
This was incredible.
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Jim Morrison was Dionysus personified.
Nietzsche was Dionysus personified.
So was grant Morrison funny enough
I think that the Doors introduced me to Dionysian ecstasy before I ever read any of Nietzsche's work. I heard them when I was a toddler and they remain a favorite band of mine. Each of these names have impelled me to create in the vein of Dionysus.
Beside Jim there is another Morrison and his name is Van Morrison
@Suspicious Ned Flanders Only he was not a pop star, and, as is screamingly obvious, attempted to escape that image in every way possible, hence why he grew a beard and went to France to get away from the commotion. Listen to the Celebration of the Lizard and tell me what about that is "Pop." Not to mention, in saying this, that the Birth of Tragedy was a favorite book of his. Have you watched any of The Doors performances? He was "the raging one," "the mad one," "the eater of raw flesh," and given his liking for Nietzsche, it is not difficult to draw a line from the Dionysian art drive as expounded in the Birth, and its effect on the aesthetic listeners of ancient Attic society, to what Morrison and ostensibly the rest of the band hoped to achieve with regard to their audience: a paradoxical and emotional response to a manic, primordial, religious-type performance onstage.
Excellent. Thanks
Excellent. Thank you.
Great video. Very learned.
A 10/10 video. Amor fati is the core concept of Nietzsche's philosophy imo. Everything else stems from it and aims toward it.
say, where do you get all the ancient paintings you use in your videos? i love the style, but couldnt find a good collection of them yet.
Beautiful. It is really fucking difficult to affirm the greater tragedies, but it is totally true, and worth it eventually.
Of all the philosophy content on youtube, which is a very mixed back, this remains my favorite.
your videos are magnificent.
"Since I grew weary of the chase/and search, I learned to find;/and since the wind blows in my face,/I sail with every wind." Nietzsche, "The Gay Science"
Fantastic video
Ahh - I love the good vs evil paradox within all of us and collectively, thank you for sharing as I’ve never heard of Dionysus but I am eager to study him.