How to shoot in the dark with GH5 or any camera
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- Опубліковано 7 вер 2024
- Let's figure out how to shoot in the dark with any camera and specially with the Panasonic GH5. This is kind of a low light test, but more like a tutorial for dark film making. I'll be testing the new firmware's 6K 10bit codec and how it compares to the normal 4k 10bit.
We'll go trough the iso, aperture and shutter speed for low light.
I'll compare log and a non-log profile and see witch is better for dark.
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I've learned a lot since buying your kit and watching your videos. I never heard of setting the shutter speed to 1/25 to improve low light shooting. I can't wait to experiment with what I've learned from this video. Thanks, Joo!!
Glad I came across this video because I ordered a LUMIX G85 and the only thing I was worried about was its inability for use in low lighting. Great tips on how to improve this! ThankYou!!!!
Vania Brewda you are wellcome. Good to be at service.
Light travels through clear glass the same way - It doesn't matter if you have a 100 feet of glass or 1mm. If it's clear the light is the same.
A prime lens at f5.6 will let in the same amount of light as a 100mm telephoto at f5.6.
Source:
www.bhphotovideo.com/explora/content/prime-vs-zoom-can-you-tell-difference
You had me subbed by 1 minute in, It was the music and cuts, I loved the audio levels. But I'm just an audio engineer guy. suuuuuupppppper informational. You put a lot of work into this and it shows.
Great video. 90% of the “expert” camera channels will bang on about 180° shutter angle laws bla bla. It is absolutely valid to vary your shutter speed and for 60p playback or any electronic stability, faster shutter is better.
You should do a comparison between the amount of noise from 4K vs the "6K" setting. Similar to what you did at the beginning when analyzing the clips, but more thorough.
I'm not sure what else is there to test. Colour noise, grain, makro blocking? What would you be interested of?
Yea those would be good. Also, how high the “6K” ISO can go still being useable vs normal 4K.
DJ Shadow on the intro music? Okay I’m hooked
I have the same setup & great tips about colour space & dynamic range didn't know that!
Hey, very cool explanation. I think this is something that popular opinion gets very wrong on UA-cam. They all want to change night for day instead of just accepting dark frames and grounding those with a highlight or a reflection. Great explanation, Joonas. 👍🏻
I love this: "... so that your frame is dark by design not by bad decisions or exposure."
"Dark by Design," makes sense. Thanks for a thorough walkthrough and great examples/footage.
I love watching channels that are so low insubscriber count but content is sooooo good. you are definitely on your way to 100k in no time 🙏🏽
Very well done video Joonas! Thanks for putting this together. I've always stuck to the 180 degree rule, but maybe I'll try a slower frame rate.
Love the “DARK DAYS” music djshadow!!
Another hard to understand aspect is that during low light you usually don't have much DR in the scene... Then why compressing all the input into V-Log is giving better results... compared to Cine-D you should have more space to record the same data...?
The slower shutter speed in video is a great idea! Wish I thought of it!
I totally agree I have always used very comparable settings and have always paid attention to most important in my opinion and that is what's in front of my camera "The Lens" not so much on whether I have Canon, Sony or Panasonic. Balancing the triangle is the trick. I love Olympus 17mm f0.95 on my GH5 for low light.
There is a 0,95 native lens? Is it manual?
Yes. My bad I meant Voigtlander 17 mm 0.95 MFT & 25 MM both are amazing lenses Manual Focus and these are probably the sharpest best low light lenses for the GH5. I also have an Olympus I use for wide angle but it's not as good as Vogtlander it's a 12mm f1.8
Brilliant video, awesome that you're replying to questions. May times I see video and people have questions but they are never answered. This is a great way to keep people looking at your videos. Love it. Cheers from Canada.
Thanks Andy. There isn't too many comments so I have time to answer them now and then. I hope to have more time to do more videos as well.
Recently I saw someone use the CineV profile for the GH5. Tonight, I shot some night scenes using the CineV profile and 10-bit. The CineV profile has a much cleaner grain structure than Log. So, I brought my shots into DaVinci Resolve and I was able to pull out more shadow detail and tone down the saturation without losing the nice grain structure. I really like the colors and details I can capture with CineV.
I recommend shooting the same scene with both profiles and then lift (make bright) the shadows up from the cine-v profile to same level as the V-log or push v-log down (make dark) to the level of cine-v. I would assume they're not to be much of a difference in 10bits. 8bits maybe because V-log is not so good in 8bits. While you are at it, try to compare HLG, Cine-V and V-log. You might get interesting results.
You have great music taste my friend, you truly know how to build emotion with a grain of art ;)
Nicely done. I'm rushing out to try.
god that music takes me back. great video just what i needed thanks
Great tips and I enjoyed your breakdown of each scenario! 👍🏻
Did you shoot both V-Log and Vivid in 10bit? why you say that Vivid has narrower color space?
Yep. all are 10bit 4k and 6k.
Vivid is recorded into rec709 colour space when v-log is panasonic v-gamut. v-gamut is larger than adobe RGB so it's rather large. You can see it sometime like with the clipping saturation on this video.
I'll do some videos about colour spaces and stuff soon.
Is Cine-D same as Vivid -> rec709? Yea explanation of relationship between color space and 8/10bit would be very nice. I thought that bits are what defines how many color gradiens you get... But apparently there is more to it.
Colour space is how what colours can be captured and how the colours are captured.
Dynamic range is how wide is the distance between totally black and totally white.
Bit depth is how many steps there is between totally white and totally black.
I'll do some videos about these later on to explain these all and what's the practical application of them
I LOVE THOSE OLD NIKKOR LENS!!! I am so excited to see someone else with them (subbed for that alone)
I've always shot in V-log for my GH5 but If it gets too dark I read it is better to shoot non log profile. In that case which profile should i shoot in? since Log + ISO 800 is normally the highest ISO I will go to keep sharp image on an f1.4 lens. THANKS! and keep up the great work!
TOLife I’m not sure if there is really a difference in noise between profiles or is the noise just more visible in v-log. You can just push down in grading. I´ll do some test later on.
You should link @djshadow if you're using his music... Just saying...🙏
True that. I should add it to the description as well. In the end of the video it's there.
Great video, congrats on reaching 1k! I'm sure you'll get many more 👍
i really like your channel. so glad i found it. just got my GH5. thank you for your efforts.
v-log you actually have less data per stop, but more stops of DR - So rec709 profiles will have more color information in the important stops - You are calling more accurate, but that is not really the case. Vivid ( not my preference ) will have more color information in the stops that carry the color in night shooting.
Thanks for the explanation. :)
Thanks for the video. Getting the G85 this week. First Dslr.
is it better to shot in 8 Bit or 10 Bit in Lowlightsituation with the GH5?
Did I miss what 1.8 zoom you were using with the speedbooster?
SpectreSoundStudios Hi, it's the sigma 18-35mm f1.8 Nikon glass that I use with the metabones adapter.
Thanks for the test and info. The technical comparisons were very useful. Thanks for sharing!
You are wellcome!
Just seeing this now. Thank you!
your videos are so helpful. just wanted to say thanks. I'm learning a lot from you. Also Panasonic should say thank you to you too. I'll probably upgrade from a6000 to gh5
great video. your video examples are super helpful for context.
Thanks for the video nice to compare the different profiles.
Great Video 👌 these clips looks super awesome with the wet surfaces...now I'm excited to also shoot in dark conditions :D
Great video! all things I do as well. all these camera people want the faster chips, the faster processors. if they learned how to use their cameras and lenses, it would look GREAT! subbed
Nice to see Tampere at night - maybe a good idea to stop for a while when passing on E12...
Great and very informative video from you fellow tamperelainen! Keep up the good work!
I also shoot with speedbooster 1.4 or 1.8 aperture (= 1 or 1.2 with speedbooster) and 1/25s shutter speed. BUT there is a counterpart : the image is necessarily blury. Because the 1.4 aperture make the lmenses sharp only in the center. And sometimes even the center is not so sharp at the smaller f-stop. Because 1/25s makes movement blury too. Having such a small sensor is really a pain until technology is not able to make it possible to be more sensible. Blury image + the loss of the light lenses (speedbooster + full frame or APS-C lenses) + not able to go to real 8 mpixel in next years. No major improvement in sensor = the micro 4/3 will be dead in 5 years. Major improvement in sensor and micro 4/3 will conquer all the market.
Great video ! Enjoyed watching it and you are very good at expalaining
Congrats on reaching 1k. Next stop: 10k!
Thanks! It came faster than I thought. Next goal? ;-) 10k?
As usual, very informative and professional, thanks!
Great informative video makes me want to take my gh5 out at night time
Dude, I love your videos! Thank you for sharing your awesome knowledge :) Much love!
Great techniques, useful informations. Well done, thank you!
Nice work! Interesting as always.
i think you use a gate for your voice-over in the second part. If it's so, i think a lower threshold or different attack/release-times would be better, or manual volume-correction. Because i find it irritating, like it sounds in this video.
Nevertheless good and informative video.
The Unknown One you are corret, and I'm leaning my doing. It was a setting in my recording software.
Lol everyone seems to enjoy the music in the background. I sadly have to turn off the video now, I just get distracted and stressed by that sound. I'm a beginner to all this and I thought what you're saying was good and informative, but I just couldn't keep my focus any longer. I prefer tutorials without music, cause I'm not here for that. Sorry man hope you understand.
all profiles will look better out the camera over vlog which is meant for grading. And vlog has a higher noise pattern especially at low light. I think at low light, cineD is the natural alternative to vlog but only if ISO is close to 3200 AND the waveform is showing crushed blacks. That's assuming you don't have neat video or some denoiser.
I have not noticed more noise with vlog compared to other profiles when v-log is graded to match the other profiles. Though with high iso Vlog seems to give more colour noise (3200iso) than the other profiles, but with good lenses you rarely need to go that high.
So you prefer cine-d to v-log in low light? Does it have less noise or better colour?
Joo.Works I prefer vlog at all times...especially with all-I update. I have lenses that open to .95, 1.1, and 1.4....but if I can't get the waveform acceptable...CineD and natural are next. But this is because I'm grading and showing my narratives on big screens. For vacation videos or out of the camera...cineV and portrait are ones I try first...and vivid. I think each person's circumstances are different. And like you did experiment with different settings. Which is a joy on gh5
Hey! I'm interested where do you see the difference in the 400 mbps codec? I'm lost I just don't see it. I did some tests and didn't realise it. If you do big screen stuff then you might have better eye for it.
Joo.Works it's not "that" big of a difference in normal shots. Shots with smoke, fire,,water are better with the ALL-I. The rest is tough to see. The good news is with a gh5 and all-I, you are able to be hired for Netflix productions because the camera fits the criteria for use. A big thing for working DP's...
Hmm.. I have a shoot comming where we are playing around with fire. Maybe I'll shoudl test it then. I just hope that the netflix part is relevant for me someday. :-D
Not one mention of a light or exposure meter?
Awesome video and nice background music. Thanks for sharing Subscribed
um.. im here with a problem. i've bought my gh5 like 4 days ago, and.. it is freezing when i want to watch what i have got.. it just keep telling me "this motion image cannot be played", and when im trying to delet it, it says "this picture cannot be deleted" any solutions out there? coz i really love this camera a lot.. or should i return it back, and buy another one?
That was what i looking for! Thanks!
As far as I'm new to video, I'm not new in audio. Your mic gate - probably treshold is set to hi or something because it cuts too fast and too drasticly. Sometime it cuts your voice at the beginning of the frase. Rest in my opinion was awesome :)
Thanks! True that. It was a setting in my streaming software. Noise gate -effect. I'm learning by doing. :-)
I agree with both of you :D
really nice video! Thanks!
I highly enjoy the cleanliness of your static room shot. It really makes everything looks crisp. I also did not know about the 6K on the GH5 until I saw this video and now I am researching faster cards and how to set it up. Is it worth going to 6K on the GH5 for certain projects?
this is a great great great tutorial thanks a lot!
Really good.
Good explanation of the perennial small sensor problem and the sensible methods of minimising noise. Interesting points made about noise at 6K, too.
The GH5 will never be a Sony A7RII (24000 ISO and little noise!) but your shots are as good as it gets, in my opinion. I had a GH4 and sold it because of the noise problem - above 800 ISO it was rubbish - but I will give the GH5 a go. The new GH5S is as yet untried but since my work is half stills and half video I may have to look at that too. Thanks for a clear and accurate presentation without the woffle!
Whit good noise reduction I would call 3200 iso usable on the gh5. Try it out with neat video noise removal plugin.
Thanks. I've used Neat before and it's very good. For some reason it was not that good on my GH4, but it was better than not using it. Perhaps the GH5 will be better. The GH5S promises to be much better in low light, so perhaps a de-noiser will not be required.
J.D. Hughes yes, there is a limit on how low light you really want to shoot. The neat video is really good at 3200. At 6400 the image starts to fall part. Test it out, my requirements are not that high, for I do videos mostly to web.
I did try it at 3200, but it is poor for film use, although the GH5 makes up for the lack with its other features, internal 10 bit 4-2-2 for instance. Used Neat again and it is an improvement, but still not clean enough above 800 ISO/ASA, although probably good for Vlogging. Anyway, what do I know, I'm just a retired director still wading through reels of 16/35mm film :)
J.D. Hughes I like to keep the iso at 400 or 800. It's the sharpest, but I would add 3200 (+neatvideo) if needed to the mix. :-)
I started shootin, at 6k, because premiere suddently started supportin, it. I'm loving the quality and now the difference in iso is really clear.
Great and clear video, thanks man!!!
so informative thanks so much for this video
Good work mate! / Hyvää työtä äijjä!
Mun kanavalle on tulos testivideota GH5 + Kipon Baveyes x0.7 EF-MFT AF II + Sigma 18-35mm Art.
En tiä onko Metabonesin speedboosterilla samaa ongelmaa, mutta täydellä aukolla lähes kaikki lasit aika pehmeitä reunoilta, (lasit parempia esim. tuos täydenkennon 5DIII)
Testasin: Canon 24-70mm f2.8 L + Sigma 50mm Art + Canon 85mm USM + Canon 100mm L Macro f2.8 myöskin varmistaakseni asiaa.
Samoin täydellä aukolla aikas laitta chromaattiasta aberraatiota.
Noh, video tulee mun kanavalle tuos alle viikon sisään kuitenkin! :)
Toki hinta on speedboosteriin nähden 2x halvempi, että sikäli enemmän rahalle vastinetta kyllä tässä.
Ostin aikanaan metabonesin koska testeissä se näytti tarkemmalta, vaikka edullisempiakin oli tarjolla. En ole testannut ilman boosteria, että miltä tarkkuus näyttää täydellä aukolla, mutta tyytyväinen oon ollut.
Joo.Works Kyllä. Päivitän varmaan speedboosteriin joskus jos sattuu investointi budjettia riittämään.
Noissa kaikissa on omat huonot puolensa. Metabones ei myöskään ole virheetön, mutta uudemmat mallit suoriutuvat jo kohtuullisen hyvin, eikä esim. Ultraa vaivaa niin paljoa tuollainen soft focus -tyyppinen pehmeys täydellä aukolla. Kaikenlaista värisiirtymää silläkin kuitenkin esiintyy, joten kompromisseja täytyy tehdä. Itse suosin sekä linssitöntä että linssillistä adapteria eri tilanteisiin. GH5:lle uskallan antaa suosituksen Metabones Ultralle, joissain tapauksissa 35mm järjestelmiin tarkoitetuille objektiiveille Metabones XL:lle, sekä Zhongyi Lens Turbo II:lle. XL saattaa vinjetoida kuvanvakaimen toimiessa aika rajustikin joillain objektiiveilla ja LT II taas näyttää täydellä aukolla hieman diffuusoidulta.
B R I L L I A N T 📸👍🏻
Which Nikon 1.4 lens was it exactly? Are you using Metabones Ultra?
Beautiful
OPINIONS NEEDED!!! I just bought a GH5. I own no lenses yet. I love shooting night street (video) scenes (on my iPhone) exactly as you beautifully captured in this video. You shot that with the speed booster? Could I achieve that same performance with a native lens like the Panasonic Leica 25mm 1.4 lens do you think? Or should I start with a Metabones booster and buy like a used fast prime to adapt? I really want a killer low light video setup. Buckets of gratitude.
Vagabond-Dogs TV! Leica primes are actually quite fast. Sigma 18-35mm with the speedbooster is pretty much the same as leica 25mm 1.4... as fast.
Thank you! I just discovered the Olympus 25mm 1.2 which I hope will be great for night video. Gets good reviews so I think it will be my first lens.
Excellent video, I learned a lot- my question is, can I use this type of set up on my older GH2?
Yes you can. The metabones should work on any m43 mount camera.
That's great news, thanks so much, btw- you have a great channel here- thanks for all your hard work and bringing people this great information, I will visit here often, cheers to you.
very helpful! thank you
When I want to the dpreview camera comparison graph, the GH-4 was rated better than the GH-5.
RufusLeakin really. Interesting. :-) what graph?
Go to DPreview and look up the GH5 and go to conclusion, scroll down and you'll see a graph where you can compare it to other cameras.
I’ve gotten to know my gh5 but am always sticking to the 2 native iso, 400 for daylight and 800 for indoors, lowlight. I use the ninja v and always shoot 4k 60 in prores- which gives me more noise but the dynamic range helps with post where i can just raise my shadows or lower highlights 3x more than without prores. I use topaz video ai for noise removal as it actually does quite a baller job. Im wondering from a veteran gh5 user, to which iso have you raised above 800 and could still get a nice clean image after noise reduction. I never even tried it as i expose my shots by : lowest iso, preffered aperture and sufficient shutter, and am kind of scared to even try to shoot above native😅
I have a sirui 35mm lens with 1.8f and incoming laowa 7,5mm with 2f if anyone is wondering, my lens are fast
Good tips! Wonderful. Maybe check out the Kamlan 50mm f1.1 lens? It's for Micro Four Thirds too! And only 160 dollars
It didn't look that sharp, but other than that quite promising.
Great atmosphere with music. Nice video. Speed booster are expensive I see, do you need them with FF lens to get more light? Usually aps-c designed lens has smaller lens hole at the body. Do you lose infinite focus with old manual lense and those adapters? Thanks
hi my friend can you make settings for gh5 to instal to camera please and which lense is best for very clear video because i have problem with my video alway same noise is there i not understand please help me thank you
Really good asnalysis.
BTW very awesome presentation and content style. Your subscriber now. Thanks
Thanks for this video was very helpful, I have just purchased a second hand GH5 and was wondering how I change my video for low light use to 1/25th second also which lens would you best recommend for astro photography? many people seem to think this camera will not do this kind of work thanks :) Tim
I thought i had another video window open with music. :) But thanks for the video! :)
Great video- thanks! May I ask how shooting at a slower than normal shutter speed of 1/25th sec at 24fps how that will affect the look or filmic look to the video? What about if shooting slow mo at higher frame rates up to 60- 180fps? Thank you UPDATE: I see you kind of answered this in a comment below.. So movement will be more blurred but will it lose sharpness in shots in general that have less movement and will it still look 'filmic'?
Great Video Joo Thank you! But what the hack is vivid?
Very Nice explanation!
Super video - great information!
Suomiaksentti ja rallienglanti bongattu.
Good one.
Henri T Näillä vahvuuksilla mennään. :-D
Really enjoyed your tutorial. Nicely done :)
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What is your fps if your shooting on 1/25 shutter?
Jus having problem between setting shutter 180 degrees for film low iso and low aperture...so ig i drop shutter am i maintaining film standards....
Awesome video. Thank you.
You just got another subscriber from me! Sweet video
Yeaaah DjShadow! 😎😎😎
Congratulations!
Great video
nice video mate
What kind of speed booster are you using?
great tutorial again.
I would like to see a tutorial about audio post processing :)
Hi, I'm no expert on that. I often just use mach volume to -16 and that's it :-) But I have done some test with binaural mics mixed with shotgun mic worth sharing. :-)
www.lynda.com/Audition-tutorials/Audio-Video-Production-Post-Sound-Techniques/176757-2.html
Just subscribed. Excellent content. Keep it up!
Sure I'll try my best. Thanks!
Thank you super informative!