Damn this is not a major upgrade but it does help improving the look of the car by a bit. I just purchased the 2024 OBW and thanks to your video I ended up getting these spacers. Thanks man and the ride is looking good!
Crazy something as simple as spacers change the look of the car that much, but it is always the little things that makes the biggest difference! Ride is looking good bro!
Buying a blue OBW in two weeks. Won’t be able to afford the mods you’ve done, but I really admire your dedication to detailed videos and your car. Used to live in Portland, love the content :)
Exciting stuff, you’ll love it! I try to find the best prices for the mods so that it doesn’t break the bank. Thank you so much for that. Where are you now?
splash guards and paint protection film are the only real "necessary" modifications in my book. Other mods would be nice, but guards and PPF are essential.
quick jack is on my list an has been for a long time. Oil changes, tire rotations, brake pad replacements, suspension work, exhaust work...all done on a time-saving quick jack. No ramps, no jack stands, no jacks. Boom, one and done. I would have stopped at 10mm-12mm spacers (at the risk of needing longer studs). Of course, there is also adding more Method wheels to the stable.
Definitely makes working on the car easier. If only I had a dedicated garage spot for the jacks so that I wouldn’t have to store them away after each use…20mm is perfect since it allows the studs to fit flush behind the stock wheels. You read my mind on the Method wheels 😀 .
Any negative driving characteristics after putting em on? Looks great- love the channel. I bought a geyser blue OBW as well and the same spacers this week lol
It looks so much better. Quality parts used. I like the OEM wheels. I am probably going to get a Wilderness Forester next year, so the spacers may be on the list for me to.
I added these to my Wilderness and as you said this should have been the factory stance. I’ve also de-coppered the tow hook covers and roof rack covers, much improved.
@ronfromportland 3/4 angle view? Seriously? No one is going to be squatting down and looking at your tires from a 3/4 angle. I see nothing wrong with the stance of your vehicle/tires.
Ron, do the spacers influence the driving in anyway? Mileages to the gallon or turning abilities? Do you feel the difference? Thanks in advance for some answers. It looks awesome I must say.
Some folks will have to go with bigger tires and not spacers, if they aren’t getting new wheels. I’m a PA resident and any spacer over 1/4” is considered illegal and will not pass annual inspection. Additionally, tires that push past the outermost part of the fender are also not street legal.
as a recommendation i advise people all time buy off set rims instead of these as nice as they are as a cheaper alterative they put unwanted stress on the hub and studs these are a nice cosmetic upgrade but they will not be a long term option especially if you plan to serious off road driving
Any photos of the 2020 with spacers? I have a 23 touring and debating it as well. The tech at Subaru said if I do them come back in after 50 miles to have them tightened again.
Nice! Got few Q of you can respond that will be amazing 🤩 1. Was there any problem with insurance for installing spacers? 2. How about Warranty? Does it violate the Warranty conditions? 3. Will it affect the odometer/speedometer? 4. Did you do wheel alignment after installing spacers? Are you planning to upgrade tiers from stock to 235 or 245?
Thanks! No comment on the first two questions since I will never get the right answers for those 🤣. As far as the rest, no impact on the odometer/ speed since the there were no changes to the wheel/tire diameter. I didn’t do an alignment since the suspension was left unaltered. I do recommend getting alignments regularly though. For tires, I do want to get a different set when these need to be replaced but I may keep sizing the same. Hope this helps!
As your neighbor down in LO, I do like the look, but we have been taking my 23 OW off-road in Brown's Camp and around Clatsop Forest. I would be worried that expanded my wheels beyond the flares would play havoc with the paint job on the forest roads. I also have the factory aftermarket mudflaps... but still, those pebbles will always find their way to a painted surface.
There was just something so weird about the Wilderness that made me want to get it. I had no intentions of doing so! After reading about all its capabilities and watching endless videos of it being put through some rough conditions, I was sold. There was just something weird looking about it that made me want it. Most importantly, I wanted the higher ground clearance for the wife.
Thanks a bunch, James! I got the orange caps from eBay. Here’s a link to them: www.ebay.com/itm/153698179953?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=50na-nzrsow&sssrc=2349624&ssuid=Oi-7Za6-SDm&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY
I would get some bigger tires that’s off set for my forester wilderness. I’m thinking about getting some BF Goodrich K02 the standard Yokohama Geolander can only do so much.
Im shopping in a new OB wilderness in Blue or Green. That simple upgrade made the stance on the car look way better. Btw which license plate holder is that?
That green is beautiful. Somedays I wish I got that color instead! This one is the Perrin License Plate Relocator ua-cam.com/video/AWsohdxlskM/v-deo.html
Are you happy with going with the 20mm spacers or would you have gone with the 25 or 30 after seeing how your car looks with the 20s? Or do you think 25 and 30 is overkill?
Anybody running these with a 245/65R17? The Geolanders that came on our OBW just looked too small. We put Nokian 10 on the stock wheels for winter and just put a set of Wildpeaks on a second set of stock wheels. both sets are 245/65R17. No lift and no rubbing either forward or reverse. Also, that Perrin plate bracket is made here in Oregon . Got one ordered.
I think I'm just gonna go with some lower offset wide wheels and slap some meatier tires on it, this is of course after a lift. The spacers don't give it enough of a noticeable poke IMO. It looks better just not what I need.
I didn't like the muffin top look much but I like the stock wheels so I just installed a 235/65/17 Wildpeak AT3W its a size up and the tire runs a bit big so it improved the top heavy look alot on my outback, plus I handle the rocky roads a bit better. I love the road handling and don't want a lift. I would have just bought the bronco if I needed more off-road.
Exactly. Plus with the tires further outside the fenders they’ll just kick up more crap onto the body. I’ve only had my Wilderness for a few weeks but I’m impressed with how well the fenders do in terms of keeping salt/slush off of the painted surfaces. I do agree that it looks better.
Hey man great video, Informative. Does the spacer affect performance or stability now that it's wider? (meaning not just for looks but also functional?) Thanks.
They’re purely for looks, in my opinion, since all you’re doing is pushing the wheels out. I feel no difference in handling/performance. Getting wider wheels is a different story though.
The wider stance actually improves cornering. With 3” spacers on my lifted 4Runner (problem free for 10 years still), body roll was practically eliminated on corners. 20mm will be less noticeable but there.
Looks great, does it offer little better ride or driving experience? I have a same vehicle but not loving the highway drive experience. I am not sure if I should get smoother tires or any mod I can do so I can love my vehicle. Would spacers or lift would help with better ride quality ?
I didn’t notice any changes to the driving experience. I do admit that the highway driving isn’t the best on the Wilderness but it’s not what the car was designed for haha. We had a regular Outback model as a rental and it was smooth on the freeway. Probably due to the lower ride height and all season tires.
Changing the tires is probably all you need to do. Wilderness comes with "all terrain" tires which are a little more stiff. If you stay on the pavement with your car, then normal tires should do you well.
So I just got two new sets of spacers but there’s one bolt on each pair that is really tight. I’m having a hard time loosening it to separate them since I can’t get any leverage. Any tips here?
I was looking at getting these or the 15mm but I'm not sure if Subaru will still do the tire rotations/balancing under the maintenance package I got when I bought my 22. Have you taken it to Subaru to have the wheels rotated recently?
I have not since I plan on rotating tires at home. I would either call ahead to ask or remove them before getting the services done to make sure they don’t ask any questions and/or try to blame the wheel spacers for something failing.
Besides infotainment demons, really the only thing I don’t like about my ‘23 OBW. Thanks for this, spacers ordered. Are you still pleased with how it drives and how it looks? Thanks in advance, cheers!!
So far, it’s amazing and I’m still pretty happy with the drivability! BUT, one thing that I will eventually make everyone aware of is the potential leaking oil pan. Mine has 1400 miles and I was gutted when I found oil leaking from the lower oil pan. I guess the 20-22 Outbacks with the turbo motors are prone to having leaking oil pans due to a seal failure. Not sure if the 23 OBWs are the same but it wouldn’t hurt to check around that area. I’ll eventually do a follow up video on this because it’s unacceptable! Taking mine back to the dealer soon.
@@ronfromportland Sorry man, just leaning on someone that knows more than me. Are you at all concerned with wheel bearings? There are quite a few haters when it comes to spacers. Hard to find good - offset wheels that I like.
@@jasonramsbottom2185 if I was doing some hardcore off-roading then I would be slightly concerned. For driving on a daily basis, I’m not concerned one bit. You’ll need better wheels and tires for off-roading anyway. Plus, if wheel bearings do go bad, they’re not the most expensive to fix.
Coming back to this. Now that you’ve had them on for a while, have you had any bearing issues? If not, and you had it to do again, would you size up to 25mm? Or is 20 just right cosmetically?
The equation for spacers always has to account for the offset of the wheels attached. For example, the OBW factory wheel offset is 48mm, meaning the hub is fixed 48mm away from the center of the wheel (0mm offset) toward the outer rim of the wheel. This means the rim and tire are being moved inward toward the center of the car. Adding a 20mm spacer in effect pushes the hub (rim and tire) placement outward as if the hub inset (distance between the outer rim and hub) were being reduced inward toward the center of the wheel. Therefore, 20mm spacers give the same inset and poke (in relation to the tire and rim's position) as a 28mm offset wheel (48-20=28). If you want the equivalent positioning of 20mm offset wheels, you would need 28mm spacers.
@@ronfromportland It's a common mod on Jeep wranglers and Toyota Tacomas proper torque setting and blue loctite minimum is a part of every installation procedure. It's literally what is holding your wheels on. ua-cam.com/video/5BAVoESfDAE/v-deo.html Every major brand like Spider Trax that markets these wheel spacers and loctite is part of the installation process. I could be wrong. I think they may even suggest red loctite but most in my off road clubs use blue.
@@GF-cb8rr for sure, it won’t hurt to use. Perrin’s instructions specify that re-checking torque after 10 miles is necessary, no mention of Loctite. Proper torque is what’s holding them on.
This is nonsense. The fenders are meant to be "out" so you don't ruin the rims on rocks etc. This is not a street car but if you want to ruin your rims, feel free to copy this guy.
Ron Are you happy with your wheel spacers now that you've had them for awhile? Did you have any loose bolts after driving ? Can you still recommend them? Thanks
I didn’t have any loose bolts. Just gotta make sure to re-torque them a few miles after installing to ensure they didn’t back out. But to answer your question, yes I’m happy with them but I’m also fine without them.
finally someone speaks truth about the outback stance. I'm plunking down for my '24
this the reason why i purchased a base model Forester so i can do this type of thing/upgrades
Damn this is not a major upgrade but it does help improving the look of the car by a bit. I just purchased the 2024 OBW and thanks to your video I ended up getting these spacers. Thanks man and the ride is looking good!
Thanks man!
Hi Bro,i want to used spacer also but a little bit hesistant of its safetiness pls advice tnx.
Crazy something as simple as spacers change the look of the car that much, but it is always the little things that makes the biggest difference! Ride is looking good bro!
I agree bro! It looks so much better. Def should have came like this from factory. Thanks man!
Buying a blue OBW in two weeks. Won’t be able to afford the mods you’ve done, but I really admire your dedication to detailed videos and your car. Used to live in Portland, love the content :)
Exciting stuff, you’ll love it! I try to find the best prices for the mods so that it doesn’t break the bank. Thank you so much for that. Where are you now?
Seattle! Overtime plan on doing some of the mods and little additions you’ve done to my own. Fortunately the car seems pretty good to go stock :)
@@goldenretriever4330 Nice, Seattle is great! Lots of possibilities with this platform but it’s also good the way it is.
splash guards and paint protection film are the only real "necessary" modifications in my book. Other mods would be nice, but guards and PPF are essential.
It was made to not sand your paint :) But if you want to look better you need to apply some protection film to sides of Outback after this tuning.
quick jack is on my list an has been for a long time. Oil changes, tire rotations, brake pad replacements, suspension work, exhaust work...all done on a time-saving quick jack. No ramps, no jack stands, no jacks. Boom, one and done. I would have stopped at 10mm-12mm spacers (at the risk of needing longer studs). Of course, there is also adding more Method wheels to the stable.
Definitely makes working on the car easier. If only I had a dedicated garage spot for the jacks so that I wouldn’t have to store them away after each use…20mm is perfect since it allows the studs to fit flush behind the stock wheels. You read my mind on the Method wheels 😀 .
Stance looks spot on now man. Good looking wilderness thus far 💪
Thanks man!
@@ronfromportland, any wheel rub?
@@Sophos1964 no sir, all is good!
Any negative driving characteristics after putting em on? Looks great- love the channel. I bought a geyser blue OBW as well and the same spacers this week lol
@@Justplainoljeff nope, everything felt and drove the same! Super easy install, you’ll love ‘em!
Thank you for sharing
It looks so much better. Quality parts used. I like the OEM wheels. I am probably going to get a Wilderness Forester next year, so the spacers may be on the list for me to.
Thanks a bunch, man! I love the OEM wheels too, they suit the car pretty well. Great choice on the FW!
2025 forester coming soon
I added these to my Wilderness and as you said this should have been the factory stance. I’ve also de-coppered the tow hook covers and roof rack covers, much improved.
Very nice! I may do the same in the future.
@ronfromportland
3/4 angle view? Seriously? No one is going to be squatting down and looking at your tires from a 3/4 angle. I see nothing wrong with the stance of your vehicle/tires.
@@travelinman482 personal preference.
It will corner a little better, gas mileage should stay the same.
Check you local regs folks. Wheel Spacers are illegal for street use in a number of locations. (Qld Australia for example)
Ron, do the spacers influence the driving in anyway? Mileages to the gallon or turning abilities? Do you feel the difference? Thanks in advance for some answers. It looks awesome I must say.
Hey man! Nope, I don’t feel/see any differences with the spacers. I hope this helps!
Looks Great! Thanks for the video!
I appreciate it! 🙏
Looks much better. Thank you
Some folks will have to go with bigger tires and not spacers, if they aren’t getting new wheels. I’m a PA resident and any spacer over 1/4” is considered illegal and will not pass annual inspection. Additionally, tires that push past the outermost part of the fender are also not street legal.
How does any Jeep or truck pass in your state?!
Heck the new Broncos as well
as a recommendation i advise people all time buy off set rims instead of these as nice as they are as a cheaper alterative they put unwanted stress on the hub and studs these are a nice cosmetic upgrade but they will not be a long term option especially if you plan to serious off road driving
After I watch your video i decided to purchase a set of spacer same as your hopefully look on my 2020 outback touring xt
I think it’ll look great!
Any photos of the 2020 with spacers? I have a 23 touring and debating it as well. The tech at Subaru said if I do them come back in after 50 miles to have them tightened again.
Only thing I would have done was put anti-seize on the threads and back . Cool look !
Thanks man!
Guessing it’s done for wind cheating/gas mileage reasons. But yeah, more poke always looks better 👍🏻
Nice!
Got few Q of you can respond that will be amazing 🤩
1. Was there any problem with insurance for installing spacers?
2. How about Warranty? Does it violate the Warranty conditions?
3. Will it affect the odometer/speedometer?
4. Did you do wheel alignment after installing spacers?
Are you planning to upgrade tiers from stock to 235 or 245?
Thanks! No comment on the first two questions since I will never get the right answers for those 🤣. As far as the rest, no impact on the odometer/ speed since the there were no changes to the wheel/tire diameter. I didn’t do an alignment since the suspension was left unaltered. I do recommend getting alignments regularly though. For tires, I do want to get a different set when these need to be replaced but I may keep sizing the same. Hope this helps!
@@ronfromportlandThank you 😊
For now I will just stick with Ceramic coating and interior LED changes from diode dynamics. Cheers
Great video! Quick question though, do you need to have your OBW Wheel Aligned after the install? Thanks!
Thanks! Nope, since nothing related to the suspension was altered, you won’t need an alignment. Hope this helps!
I've been debating on spacers or new rims.
As your neighbor down in LO, I do like the look, but we have been taking my 23 OW off-road in Brown's Camp and around Clatsop Forest. I would be worried that expanded my wheels beyond the flares would play havoc with the paint job on the forest roads. I also have the factory aftermarket mudflaps... but still, those pebbles will always find their way to a painted surface.
What’s up man! Definitely, I’d remove them for any off-road use. The most off-road the OBW has ever been is on 82nd 😂😂
@@ronfromportland Even Brown's Camp can't hold a candle to 82nd these days. It's probably a six on the technical rating scale.
@@joshuatwhaley 😂😂😂
I wonder if these spaces provide the needed clearance to run tire chains, to not snag up on the brake lines.
I was wondering the same thing 🤔
What made you buya wilderness model ?
There was just something so weird about the Wilderness that made me want to get it. I had no intentions of doing so! After reading about all its capabilities and watching endless videos of it being put through some rough conditions, I was sold. There was just something weird looking about it that made me want it. Most importantly, I wanted the higher ground clearance for the wife.
Great video, I'm sold on the spacers - I'll use your link when I purchase them. By the way, love the orange dust caps, where did you find them?
Thanks a bunch, James! I got the orange caps from eBay. Here’s a link to them:
www.ebay.com/itm/153698179953?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=50na-nzrsow&sssrc=2349624&ssuid=Oi-7Za6-SDm&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY
I would get some bigger tires that’s off set for my forester wilderness. I’m thinking about getting some BF Goodrich K02 the standard Yokohama Geolander can only do so much.
Both great choices! Was thinking about going with either of those when the Geolanders are worn.
Im shopping in a new OB wilderness in Blue or Green. That simple upgrade made the stance on the car look way better. Btw which license plate holder is that?
That green is beautiful. Somedays I wish I got that color instead! This one is the Perrin License Plate Relocator ua-cam.com/video/AWsohdxlskM/v-deo.html
Great video and thanks for sharing. Want to do a few things to my OBW. Why do you choose 20mm?
Thanks, Scott! 20mm seems to be the most popular option. 25mm might be too much and 15mm, if I’m not mistaken, isn’t hub-centric.
Question will the wheels rub on the fender when they articulate a good amount, I do jumps and racing in mine so I was wondering
Are you happy with going with the 20mm spacers or would you have gone with the 25 or 30 after seeing how your car looks with the 20s? Or do you think 25 and 30 is overkill?
Anything over 20 might be overkill, just my opinion though. 20 pops the wheels out just enough to still be ‘subtle’. Hope this helps!
Anybody running these with a 245/65R17? The Geolanders that came on our OBW just looked too small. We put Nokian 10 on the stock wheels for winter and just put a set of Wildpeaks on a second set of stock wheels. both sets are 245/65R17. No lift and no rubbing either forward or reverse. Also, that Perrin plate bracket is made here in Oregon . Got one ordered.
Yes it looks nice but does this cause any issues with the wheel bearings or suspension?
They add additional force/stress. Hence they are illegal in some places.
Have you noticed any difference in ride quality?
I’d be lying if I said I did 😂
I think I'm just gonna go with some lower offset wide wheels and slap some meatier tires on it, this is of course after a lift. The spacers don't give it enough of a noticeable poke IMO. It looks better just not what I need.
Yeah, for sure. I’ll probably head that route in the future. Spacers are a nice addition to make use of the stock wheels.
I didn't like the muffin top look much but I like the stock wheels so I just installed a 235/65/17 Wildpeak AT3W its a size up and the tire runs a bit big so it improved the top heavy look alot on my outback, plus I handle the rocky roads a bit better. I love the road handling and don't want a lift. I would have just bought the bronco if I needed more off-road.
Nice! Any issues with rubbing? Also, did you also do the spare? Curious if it fits in the trunk space.
Did you notice any changes in driving dynamics or fuel economy?
It looks better but if you're going off road now your rims get damaged easier .
Exactly. Plus with the tires further outside the fenders they’ll just kick up more crap onto the body. I’ve only had my Wilderness for a few weeks but I’m impressed with how well the fenders do in terms of keeping salt/slush off of the painted surfaces. I do agree that it looks better.
Hey man great video, Informative. Does the spacer affect performance or stability now that it's wider? (meaning not just for looks but also functional?) Thanks.
They’re purely for looks, in my opinion, since all you’re doing is pushing the wheels out. I feel no difference in handling/performance. Getting wider wheels is a different story though.
@@ronfromportland Just asked some questions but I see some answers already!
The wider stance actually improves cornering. With 3” spacers on my lifted 4Runner (problem free for 10 years still), body roll was practically eliminated on corners. 20mm will be less noticeable but there.
Does the front wheel not come with wheel well liners? The cables are just exposed?
The liner is there but it’s just smaller on the section closest to the rear
Does mud fly up on the car more?
I doubt it. Hard to tell because of the mud flaps I installed but I highly doubt it’ll cause more mud to fling up.
Do you have to do any tightening on the spacers after they are put on ?
Always good to re-torque the spacers after 50-100 miles or so
If a car jack was used doing one wheel at a time the wife dose not need to step on the brakes or am I wrong?
Subaru has open diff so brakes would still need to be applied since the wheel will continue rotating
@@ronfromportland OK . Thanks for the reply
Do the spacers void the warrenty ?
Ron - do you have an opinion about whether moving the wheels 20mm outboard adds enough clearance to use cable chains?
I wouldn’t think so, they don’t provide that much clearance. I’ve also never tried chains. I’d go with dedicated snow tires or studs.
Looks great, does it offer little better ride or driving experience? I have a same vehicle but not loving the highway drive experience. I am not sure if I should get smoother tires or any mod I can do so I can love my vehicle. Would spacers or lift would help with better ride quality ?
I didn’t notice any changes to the driving experience. I do admit that the highway driving isn’t the best on the Wilderness but it’s not what the car was designed for haha. We had a regular Outback model as a rental and it was smooth on the freeway. Probably due to the lower ride height and all season tires.
Changing the tires is probably all you need to do. Wilderness comes with "all terrain" tires which are a little more stiff. If you stay on the pavement with your car, then normal tires should do you well.
Does this model year has the heated steering wheel?
I believe only the Canadian models do. This one doesn’t have it.
Who cares? You drive in freezing weather with the HVAC off and windows down? What a stupid fucking question.
So I just got two new sets of spacers but there’s one bolt on each pair that is really tight. I’m having a hard time loosening it to separate them since I can’t get any leverage. Any tips here?
You can try soaking the studs in some penetrating oil for a few hours. That should help. Just be sure to use some brake cleaner to clean it off.
Need to do any sort of alignment or anything?
Nope, nothing of the suspension assembly was altered so you should be good to go without an alignment.
How does this effect handling & mpg?
I didn’t really notice a difference with either. If there were any effects then they are definitely minimal.
I was looking at getting these or the 15mm but I'm not sure if Subaru will still do the tire rotations/balancing under the maintenance package I got when I bought my 22. Have you taken it to Subaru to have the wheels rotated recently?
I have not since I plan on rotating tires at home. I would either call ahead to ask or remove them before getting the services done to make sure they don’t ask any questions and/or try to blame the wheel spacers for something failing.
will these fit on the 2023 wilderness outback?
Yes, the 2023 models should have the same lug pattern.
What mudflaps do you have? Amazon?
Rally Amor mudflaps: ua-cam.com/video/CZaptwFN-VA/v-deo.html
Besides infotainment demons, really the only thing I don’t like about my ‘23 OBW. Thanks for this, spacers ordered. Are you still pleased with how it drives and how it looks? Thanks in advance, cheers!!
So far, it’s amazing and I’m still pretty happy with the drivability!
BUT, one thing that I will eventually make everyone aware of is the potential leaking oil pan. Mine has 1400 miles and I was gutted when I found oil leaking from the lower oil pan. I guess the 20-22 Outbacks with the turbo motors are prone to having leaking oil pans due to a seal failure. Not sure if the 23 OBWs are the same but it wouldn’t hurt to check around that area. I’ll eventually do a follow up video on this because it’s unacceptable! Taking mine back to the dealer soon.
@@ronfromportland Sorry man, just leaning on someone that knows more than me. Are you at all concerned with wheel bearings? There are quite a few haters when it comes to spacers. Hard to find good - offset wheels that I like.
@@jasonramsbottom2185 if I was doing some hardcore off-roading then I would be slightly concerned. For driving on a daily basis, I’m not concerned one bit. You’ll need better wheels and tires for off-roading anyway. Plus, if wheel bearings do go bad, they’re not the most expensive to fix.
@@ronfromportland Thanks Ron. Appreciate the feedback!
Do you think this could cause any warranty issues with the dealer?
Hard to say, it just depends on the dealer. They could try and blame the spacers for Rod Knock for all we know haha
Coming back to this. Now that you’ve had them on for a while, have you had any bearing issues? If not, and you had it to do again, would you size up to 25mm? Or is 20 just right cosmetically?
so does the achieve the same stance as getting new wheels with a 20mm offset?
No, the spacers are just adding 20mm of space to the existing wheel. 20mm offset wheels are entirely different.
The equation for spacers always has to account for the offset of the wheels attached. For example, the OBW factory wheel offset is 48mm, meaning the hub is fixed 48mm away from the center of the wheel (0mm offset) toward the outer rim of the wheel. This means the rim and tire are being moved inward toward the center of the car. Adding a 20mm spacer in effect pushes the hub (rim and tire) placement outward as if the hub inset (distance between the outer rim and hub) were being reduced inward toward the center of the wheel. Therefore, 20mm spacers give the same inset and poke (in relation to the tire and rim's position) as a 28mm offset wheel (48-20=28). If you want the equivalent positioning of 20mm offset wheels, you would need 28mm spacers.
No blue loctite?😮
Nope, wasn’t needed!
@@ronfromportland It's a common mod on Jeep wranglers and Toyota Tacomas proper torque setting and blue loctite minimum is a part of every installation procedure. It's literally what is holding your wheels on.
ua-cam.com/video/5BAVoESfDAE/v-deo.html
Every major brand like Spider Trax that markets these wheel spacers and loctite is part of the installation process.
I could be wrong. I think they may even suggest red loctite but most in my off road clubs use blue.
@@GF-cb8rr for sure, it won’t hurt to use. Perrin’s instructions specify that re-checking torque after 10 miles is necessary, no mention of Loctite. Proper torque is what’s holding them on.
@@ronfromportland 👍🏻
This is nonsense. The fenders are meant to be "out" so you don't ruin the rims on rocks etc. This is not a street car but if you want to ruin your rims, feel free to copy this guy.
You’re not wrong. If I were to take the car off-road, the spacers should be removed.
Ron Are you happy with your wheel spacers now that you've had them for awhile? Did you have any loose bolts after driving
? Can you still recommend them? Thanks
I didn’t have any loose bolts. Just gotta make sure to re-torque them a few miles after installing to ensure they didn’t back out. But to answer your question, yes I’m happy with them but I’m also fine without them.