Thank you for this review Gabe. I found my SC4 to be very reliable and accurate on carry distance in an outdoor, into a net setup. Perhaps because I'm not a single digit handicap, but I don't give too much weight to spin numbers (unlike 99% of reviewers). I really care to have accurate carry numbers and flight direction because these data points immediately influence my decisions on the course. All in all, thank you for the review and please provide any updates in the future. Cheers!
I’m not sure if it’s my outdoor setup but the accuracy seems to drop off when I get into the 6 iron and longer. The data says my 6 iron has the same launch angle as my 9 iron and the carry is much less than what I hit on the course. Do you have any ideas for my setup?
The carry numbers are accurate, it’s the roll that’s off but that is also unpredictable when you are playing depending on how and where the ball lands. The carry number is what you really need.
Hi Gabe, there's a recent Firmware Update for the SC4 and would you make a video update also if the spin rates and other parameters have been addressed? Looking forward to your next video.
Thanks Gabe. This was super helpful. I also saw consistent high spin numbers outdoors as well about 2,000 more on nearly every club. Note wedges outdoors will not read spin numbers. The driver spin numbers seemed much closer outdoors. Carry numbers quite good. Roll out subjective and will vary. Very easy to set up and great portability fits easily in your golf bag. Nice unit especially for the price.
I have the Garmin Approach R10 and I really like it. This video is making me want to buy this launch monitor now. This thing looks really nice and I like that it has audio features too. The price is not too over the top either. I would hope they get the spin number issue fixed because that is one of the data points I really need to keep track of. I hope you do a follow up video on this device if they get the spin numbers fixed. Having false data like that can really throw you off when you're practicing out at the range. Maybe I'll give them a call to see if that feature has been corrected with a software update befor I make a decission to buy this launch monitor. Gabe, thanks again for the great videos. Keep up the good work!
This is a surprise bonus device. I was not counting on this device coming out this spring. I know you mentioned seeing it at the PGA Show. After all the other devices and their anticipated roll-outs, This device seems a bit late to the party? And then you say that the SC4 has next level data such as face to path launch data. Bonus is the ability to turn your phone or device into a camera recording device. This is a big leg up on the MLM2Pro. This device could probably be used as a teaching device. Most likely what I would choose to help me to see not only the results but how I swing and or what I did on good or bad swings. Then you say a software update and E6 add-ons ... cmon this is a really great product and getting better. Thank you as always. You always seem out of breath working hard providing great content. Id say I watch you as much as the real news!
SUPER EXCITED 😂 MINE ARRIVES ON FRIDAY 1. If it does everything the SC300i does (in an updated for factor) that’s already a win 2. Firmware updates will doubtlessly improve upon this initial offering. 3. Could we get a dedicated review/how to with the app?
What do you think about updating this video on the SC4? Has the firmware update fixed the spin rate issue? I’m a new subscriber. Great video, I like your presentation style.
Never had very good results with a Swing Caddie unit...Tried two and both were off and missed shots...Thiink I will go with the Rapsodo MLM2..Thanks Gabe...
Looks like a pretty accurate unit. As others have stated, no spin axis is a bit of a downer for me. If they ever buikd a better unit to detect spin axis without a subscription will definitely be on my radar. Thanks for the video.
Good initial review. Definitely worth a follow up with RCT balls to see if spin tightens up. And , as will all the lower end monitors, dispersion is the most important. At this price point, most people wont have projectors and will be relying on an ipad next to them. If it can match the high end monitors on shot direction, then i can live with carry, spin etc being off by 2/3%.
SC4 + E6 doesn't mix, if you have android. iPhone or iPad only! I'am experiencing distance issues on all clubs. I hit into a net that's open to sunlight, etc. I will move the netting, 10ft from hitting area and see if the numbers get closer! Thanks,
I have a Mevo +, same issue with spin when hitting into a net at recommended distance. On an open range, it's fine. Probably same here. I like the price on this one better!
Voice Caddy, which manufactures the sc4, is a major shareholder in Superstroke and is listed on the Korean stock market. Collaboration products with Supostroke are expected in the future.
As always we appreciate the efforts in all the testing you do. I am wondering which launch monitor you would recommend between the Swing Caddie SC4 and the Garmin R10. I would be using outdoors and hitting into a net. I look forward to the new travel channel also. Thanks again for all you do.
Would appreciate another comparison with a large set of shots to compare. Also some 3/4 and 1/2 shots to see how accurate the SC4 is. Please and thanks
I have the SC 300i. I've been quite pleased with it. However, I have to mentally adjust the results for range balls. I'm concerned that the more this device tries to do with the data it collects, the more erroneous it will be. Garbage in, garbage out. ("Garbage," in this case, range ball performance.)
UPDATE: I am returning this unit to Play Better and getting a Garmin. I used at a range off mats and it was consistently 20 yards longer than the flight system they had. I then hit off grass and altered the angle with respect to the ball plane and distance (also have the official case)...nothing changed the over estimate also confirmed by my Bushnell range finder. Huge disappointment. Gabe, I bought the SC4 off Play Better because you always mention them. I emailed them saying i ordered because of your channel but no coupon code and they emailed me with a discount after I bought it! Awesome people like you always say! Now i watch the review to see if I made an alright choice....
Just finished. I think this device will be just fine after a firmware update for spin. Hope data export will be or is user friendly I like to use excel for data.
Bryson DeChambeau set up in the station next to me at the range. You can't believe the sound the ball makes off his club. Super nice. He had a Boschnell swing monitor with him. I had my $550 SC4 swing monitor. He was more than happy to set his up in my station and hit 195 yard 8 irons. All the stuff on my monitor matched up. Awesome. Spin, ball speed, launch angle, carry, and apex all the same. So their firmware upgrade fixed the spin rate issue. Last time he was there he left a box of tees I snagged.
Hi Gabe, has the manufacturer given you any indication as when it is likely that the Simulation functions will be integrated? What Sim packages will it support i.e. E6, GS Pro, etc and if they are intending to package some FREE Sim Courses (5, 10, 15) like MEVO does with E6???? or Zero i.e. integration but no free corses. Love your review and followups... Keep'em coming!
Hi, liked your review. As I assume you still have the sc4, could you test it with “almost golf balls” and other practice balls? I cannot find nowhere if the sc4 works with this balls. Thanks, that would be great. Or you can just tell me 😊
I just got the SC4 and love the software, especially used with E6, however, I can't get the swing speed right. My 7 iron has a normal swing speed of 90 mph but it is showing 20mph slower. What is the issue? I am set up approx 10ft from the net and the SC4 is about 5ft to 5.6ft behind where I am hitting the ball. I wonder if it could be lighting in my garage?
I think the precise alignment is critical. A little bit of misposition (not exactly behind the ball and accurately facing the target) can have a considerable effect on the result.
@@jamesc3544 man I have tried to be as precise as possible. Spent hours in the garage tweaking it and still. I love the software but I can’t trust the results right now until I know it’s calculating the swing speed accurately. All the videos I’ve watching no one has this issue.
Great video and review. I have this unit and have compared it to trackman indoors. Distance is very consistent with trackman results but the spin rate is off just like l was the case with the Bushnell. My question to everyone is how is it able to be consistent with distance with the spin rate difference? Thanks great job
The MLM2PRO struggles mightily with chip shots, anything 12 yards and under it and you are probably looking at 50% no reads or miss reads. Did you test the SC4 in those kind of scenarios because that is sort of a big deal when it comes to simulation play especially when there’s no putting
Hello, I have a net and a mat for practise. You hit balls into what looks like a sheet that has a picture projected on it. Will this unit work with my set up. Thank you
I have an SC300i and have been skeptical about its numbers. I took it to the range yesterday and was hitting a PW well to a target. The SC said 106 yds, so I got the range finder out to verify and the target I was hitting was at 136 yds. Needless to say, something is amiss. How does the SC4 do with range balls?
When hitting into a net, Is the launch directon alone pointless without path and clubface measures? As in it could launch straight but hook ferociously?
I was using regular golf balls, which to me, is a big selling point of this unit. I actually did try the RCT balls and couldn’t get a reading from them bizarrely enough.
Your reviews have been my foundational research tool! Thank you. Do you know if the SC4 has the technology already included in the device to someday push a software update to include axis spin (show slice/hook) data? If so, do you know if there has been any indication that they are working on that upgrade at this time?
how have your carry distances with short (30-80y) partial wedge shots been with the sc4? that's usually another difficult zone for inexpensive radar units but it's among my priorities.
@@LetsPlayThru Yeah, I am dismantling my backyard sim (really hard in a 4-season area vs a fixed indoor setup). REALLY loved my skytrak for dialing in distances like this and am trying to find the best (albeit prob not as good) of the simpler ones to just get wedge carry at a driving range - mevo, SC200/300/4, etc. I like the swing caddie no-app interface but think maybe the mevo (non plus) might be arguably the best in this bracket since it's now like 350 bucks. Hard to say.
FINALLY someone did a real review of the sc4. Seems like spin is 2000 more. So just subtract. I really like this unit so hopefully they can fix the spin issue Can you do a review of this at an outdoor range?
Yes sorry for the delay. I have been testing it for a while just to make sure of what I was seeing. I even tried multiple units. Outdoors I was getting the same results more or less. I am also confident that they can fix the spin since it’s so specifically high.
@@islandsnow yes that’s the only thing I see. Yes I have contacted them and I will put up a new video as soon as it’s fixed. I am very confident they will do so.
Just picked mine up. Carry numbers were pretty close I’d say. Spin was all over the place. Some saying 1900 on the driver and some 4400. I avg like 3300 on the driver spin. Also the launch of the ball on the app were in directions the ball didn’t travel in real life. Is it something I’m doing wrong?
No, it's not you - the SC4 doesn't know how to measure (nor does it try to estimate) the spin axis which means no accurate shot shaping. Let's say the ball has 7000 rpm of back spin - it's how that spinning ball is tilted in the air that sends it more left or right and creates shape. I was disappointed that the SC4 doesn't measure or calculate it. It seems like it may only be good for carry distances and club head speed.
How does this device compare with the new Optishot Orbit? Second, does this integrate with awesome golf? How does E6 compare to Orion? I'm completely new to golf and new to similators, but I'm building one. Open to any/all recommendations and insight. Lastly, thank you.
with your fade shot you had a 138 carry, the swing caddie reported 151 total and your bushnell reported 138 carry and 137 total.....may want to take the bushnell back...😂
BLP releasing 12-13 yards (Total - carry) with a PW? I think the SC4 giving a more realistic PW total. Even 5 yards a release with a PW is high. Thoughts?
Yeah, I never trust total distance on any device really. On the range it always gives a longer number. So yeah, roll out looked better with the SC4 there. Spin is really my only concern.
Look at the launch conditions though on that first one, only 6274 RPM of spin, 96mph, and a launch angle of 19.8° landing on the fairway. That sounds very realistic for the ball to roll out that much with those launch conditions, it's essentially a thinned PW.
Nice review on the sc4… curious if you have tried the new fsx pro app update for iOS and has the range experience gotten any better when using the BLP with a iOS device? Ty
Assuming they make the SC4 firmware updates I’d say it will be the better option since it will be priced significantly cheaper and with no subscription needed and no RPT balls necessary. If they can’t then Rapsodo would be my choice.
I have the SC300i and the spin rates seem to be right. All of my use has been outside, have you tried the SC4 outside to see if there is any difference?
Can you specify what your lofts are for each club within the SC4 app because maybe the algorithm it runs off of is different from your actual clubs. If your irons are stronger by so many degrees its going to say your spin rates higher than it actually is. Wonder if you preform tests with the 9i but select the 8i on the SC4 it gives closer numbers. If would be best if you can input your clubs with lofts to get the most accurate numbers and if you have other use the system the numbers may be a bit off unless you can update with profiles. Just thoughts I had but Im no app developer or at all a great player. Just love tech and enjoy your reviews.
@@tylerjarvis9765 Bryson DeChambeau set up next to me at the range with his expensive launch monitor. I asked if he would do a compare for me. He set his up and hit about 12 8 irons 195 yards in my stall with SC4 and his device. All the numbers matchup with the SC4 and his expensive device. The 12 balls were all good strikes. I think the numbers are good.
Hey Gabe, I m thinking of going this lunch monitor for my Christmas present for indoor and out door use ,did they ever get the spin numbers fixed on this product?? I do not have an indoor launch bay built I just hit into a net in the garage the it gets cold and out doors with the net when its warm and will use it at the driving range and at the golf course on slow days ! Or do you have a better suggestion for a monitor under $500 that would serve my golfing needs???
Thanks for your review... Been looking for the difference between the 300i and SC4. Is there a big difference? Would be willing to pay the difference between the two but can't seem to find anything explaining the difference between the two. Thanks
This disappoints me. I got mine about 3-4 weeks ago and haven't even used it yet. My biggest thing I wanted was spin on my driver. For the life of me I cannot get the spin low enough. I'm right about 4500+ I thought I'd tried everything but this doesn't seem to be the thing I want. With that number being off it seems the carry would be off as well. Yes, the rollout will be off but it seems to me the spin number being almost double your usual would drop the yardage.
Does this unit have feature that can adjust the numbers if you're hitting range balls? Does any consumer unit have this feature? I'd really like to dial in distances at the range but my range uses standard range balls.
@@LetsPlayThru Ok. I've searched the product description pages and user guides for both and can't see this feature described anywhere. Seems like a selling point they'd want to advertise.
The lack of spin axis is really what kills it for me. You can't play (or simulate accurately) a ball flight indoors that is not close to what would really happen. If you slice or hook the ball, the worst this thing would do is report a push or pull that probably doesn't look as bad because the horizontal launch isn't what takes it OB - it's that PLUS the tilted spin axis.
It is strange that they get the carry distance right with such a high spin number as more spin equals less distance - rule of thumb is that every extra 500 rpm equals 1.5 yards less carry. My concern would be that if they are getting back spin so wrong what is side spin and therefore shot shape like indoors?
Unfortunately with how much spin determines (carry, total, height) these low budget monitors are all but useless if they can't get spin right. Your last strike the bushnell is more likely cotrect because at 90mph swing speed 1900 spin isnt enough to keep it in the air which is why it was shorter. Sc4 reported as longer carry because 4k spin kept it up. Spin determines everything, SC4 looks useless.
It will depend on what you want to use it for. The Garmin R10 will give you an estimated spin axis which is a lot more accurate for the shape of your shots than nothing at all. The SC4 is going to be a really inaccurate launch monitor for simulation if you want to try and get close to where the ball would go in real life. It doesn't measure or try to estimate/calculate spin axis, so where the ball lands according to Voice Caddie can be very different than what would happen in real life. If you just want to hit balls on a driving range or into a net to get carry distances, seems like either would work for you.
Thank you for this review Gabe. I found my SC4 to be very reliable and accurate on carry distance in an outdoor, into a net setup. Perhaps because I'm not a single digit handicap, but I don't give too much weight to spin numbers (unlike 99% of reviewers). I really care to have accurate carry numbers and flight direction because these data points immediately influence my decisions on the course.
All in all, thank you for the review and please provide any updates in the future. Cheers!
I’m not sure if it’s my outdoor setup but the accuracy seems to drop off when I get into the 6 iron and longer.
The data says my 6 iron has the same launch angle as my 9 iron and the carry is much less than what I hit on the course.
Do you have any ideas for my setup?
The carry numbers are accurate, it’s the roll that’s off but that is also unpredictable when you are playing depending on how and where the ball lands. The carry number is what you really need.
You are correct, carry is the most important metric. I’m confident they will get the spin number resolved.
Hi Gabe, there's a recent Firmware Update for the SC4 and would you make a video update also if the spin rates and other parameters have been addressed? Looking forward to your next video.
Thanks Gabe. This was super helpful. I also saw consistent high spin numbers outdoors as well about 2,000 more on nearly every club. Note wedges outdoors will not read spin numbers. The driver spin numbers seemed much closer outdoors. Carry numbers quite good. Roll out subjective and will vary. Very easy to set up and great portability fits easily in your golf bag. Nice unit especially for the price.
I just received my SC4 yesterday from PlayBetter. I can't wait to take it to the driving range! Thank you for your review video!
I have the Garmin Approach R10 and I really like it. This video is making me want to buy this launch monitor now. This thing looks really nice and I like that it has audio features too. The price is not too over the top either. I would hope they get the spin number issue fixed because that is one of the data points I really need to keep track of. I hope you do a follow up video on this device if they get the spin numbers fixed. Having false data like that can really throw you off when you're practicing out at the range. Maybe I'll give them a call to see if that feature has been corrected with a software update befor I make a decission to buy this launch monitor. Gabe, thanks again for the great videos. Keep up the good work!
This is a surprise bonus device. I was not counting on this device coming out this spring. I know you mentioned seeing it at the PGA Show. After all the other devices and their anticipated roll-outs, This device seems a bit late to the party? And then you say that the SC4 has next level data such as face to path launch data. Bonus is the ability to turn your phone or device into a camera recording device. This is a big leg up on the MLM2Pro. This device could probably be used as a teaching device. Most likely what I would choose to help me to see not only the results but how I swing and or what I did on good or bad swings. Then you say a software update and E6 add-ons ... cmon this is a really great product and getting better.
Thank you as always. You always seem out of breath working hard providing great content. Id say I watch you as much as the real news!
SUPER EXCITED 😂 MINE ARRIVES ON FRIDAY
1. If it does everything the SC300i does (in an updated for factor) that’s already a win
2. Firmware updates will doubtlessly improve upon this initial offering.
3. Could we get a dedicated review/how to with the app?
I’m looking for something to play golf indoors in the winter in my 10X12 shed into a net, for fun, not so much for accuracy per se’! Thanks Gabe
You can use E6, but only in Demo mode at the moment. I've messed around with it a bit and super excited to have something like this in my garage.
What do you think about updating this video on the SC4? Has the firmware update fixed the spin rate issue? I’m a new subscriber. Great video, I like your presentation style.
Never had very good results with a Swing Caddie unit...Tried two and both were off and missed shots...Thiink I will go with the Rapsodo MLM2..Thanks Gabe...
Looks like a pretty accurate unit. As others have stated, no spin axis is a bit of a downer for me. If they ever buikd a better unit to detect spin axis without a subscription will definitely be on my radar. Thanks for the video.
Good initial review. Definitely worth a follow up with RCT balls to see if spin tightens up. And , as will all the lower end monitors, dispersion is the most important. At this price point, most people wont have projectors and will be relying on an ipad next to them. If it can match the high end monitors on shot direction, then i can live with carry, spin etc being off by 2/3%.
The SC4 does not recognize the RCT balls ….
SC4 + E6 doesn't mix, if you have android. iPhone or iPad only! I'am experiencing distance issues on all clubs. I hit into a net that's open to sunlight, etc. I will move the netting, 10ft from hitting area and see if the numbers get closer! Thanks,
I have a Mevo +, same issue with spin when hitting into a net at recommended distance. On an open range, it's fine. Probably same here. I like the price on this one better!
Voice Caddy, which manufactures the sc4, is a major shareholder in Superstroke and is listed on the Korean stock market. Collaboration products with Supostroke are expected in the future.
As always we appreciate the efforts in all the testing you do. I am wondering which launch monitor you would recommend between the Swing Caddie SC4 and the Garmin R10. I would be using outdoors and hitting into a net. I look forward to the new travel channel also. Thanks again for all you do.
check this vid out, it should help in the decision making process: ua-cam.com/video/iOIda30g2_c/v-deo.html
Would appreciate another comparison with a large set of shots to compare. Also some 3/4 and 1/2 shots to see how accurate the SC4 is. Please and thanks
I have the SC 300i. I've been quite pleased with it. However, I have to mentally adjust the results for range balls. I'm concerned that the more this device tries to do with the data it collects, the more erroneous it will be. Garbage in, garbage out. ("Garbage," in this case, range ball performance.)
UPDATE: I am returning this unit to Play Better and getting a Garmin. I used at a range off mats and it was consistently 20 yards longer than the flight system they had. I then hit off grass and altered the angle with respect to the ball plane and distance (also have the official case)...nothing changed the over estimate also confirmed by my Bushnell range finder. Huge disappointment.
Gabe, I bought the SC4 off Play Better because you always mention them. I emailed them saying i ordered because of your channel but no coupon code and they emailed me with a discount after I bought it! Awesome people like you always say! Now i watch the review to see if I made an alright choice....
Playbetter is the absolute best. Glad to hear you had a good experience
Just finished. I think this device will be just fine after a firmware update for spin. Hope data export will be or is user friendly I like to use excel for data.
Enjoying your videos! Have you found a solution for the spin issue?
Curious. Which Garmin did you go with and are you satisfied with the Garmin. I am trying to get the best launch monitor for my budget.
Looks good. A lot of great options for personal LMs these days.
It’s awesome we have so many options now
Bryson DeChambeau set up in the station next to me at the range. You can't believe the sound the ball makes off his club.
Super nice. He had a Boschnell swing monitor with him. I had my $550 SC4 swing monitor. He was more than happy to set his up in my station and hit 195 yard 8 irons. All the stuff on my monitor matched up. Awesome. Spin, ball speed, launch angle, carry, and apex all the same.
So their firmware upgrade fixed the spin rate issue.
Last time he was there he left a box of tees I snagged.
Nice review. Must be nice to practice next to Bryson. So the spin rate issue is resolved?
@@phibs2 yes I believe so. I am about to install the second firmware update.
It was at a public driving range. I have seen him there several times.
Great review gabe. Do you prefer this and find more accurate than the Garmin r10?
I used mine with E6 a month ago it’s already set up in there
Hi Gabe, has the manufacturer given you any indication as when it is likely that the Simulation functions will be integrated? What Sim packages will it support i.e. E6, GS Pro, etc and if they are intending to package some FREE Sim Courses (5, 10, 15) like MEVO does with E6???? or Zero i.e. integration but no free corses. Love your review and followups... Keep'em coming!
Looks like it s already on,some can accès to it already🤷♂️.
Type this in UA-cam u will find it. Swing Caddie SC4 - Driving Range Videos and E6 Connect Quick Demo
Hi, liked your review. As I assume you still have the sc4, could you test it with “almost golf balls” and other practice balls? I cannot find nowhere if the sc4 works with this balls. Thanks, that would be great. Or you can just tell me 😊
I just got the SC4 and love the software, especially used with E6, however, I can't get the swing speed right. My 7 iron has a normal swing speed of 90 mph but it is showing 20mph slower. What is the issue? I am set up approx 10ft from the net and the SC4 is about 5ft to 5.6ft behind where I am hitting the ball. I wonder if it could be lighting in my garage?
I think the precise alignment is critical. A little bit of misposition (not exactly behind the ball and accurately facing the target) can have a considerable effect on the result.
@@jamesc3544 man I have tried to be as precise as possible. Spent hours in the garage tweaking it and still. I love the software but I can’t trust the results right now until I know it’s calculating the swing speed accurately. All the videos I’ve watching no one has this issue.
A laser pointer or laser level may help with alignment!
Great video and review. I have this unit and have compared it to trackman indoors. Distance is very consistent with trackman results but the spin rate is off just like l was the case with the Bushnell. My question to everyone is how is it able to be consistent with distance with the spin rate difference? Thanks great job
The MLM2PRO struggles mightily with chip shots, anything 12 yards and under it and you are probably looking at 50% no reads or miss reads. Did you test the SC4 in those kind of scenarios because that is sort of a big deal when it comes to simulation play especially when there’s no putting
Two questions: Does this device work with Awesome Golf? And, will "dot" balls help the spin numbers? Thanks!!!!
Hello, I have a net and a mat for practise. You hit balls into what looks like a sheet that has a picture projected on it. Will this unit work with my set up. Thank you
I have an SC300i and have been skeptical about its numbers. I took it to the range yesterday and was hitting a PW well to a target. The SC said 106 yds, so I got the range finder out to verify and the target I was hitting was at 136 yds. Needless to say, something is amiss. How does the SC4 do with range balls?
Thoughts on the voice caddie sc4 pro?
When hitting into a net, Is the launch directon alone pointless without path and clubface measures? As in it could launch straight but hook ferociously?
On the SC4, can you set up the video to be player facing, not down the line?
Great review Gabe. This model have the swing speed without hitting the ball ? Like sc200 plus
I’m not sure, I didn’t even think to test that to be honest. But I will do so, and get back to you.
@@LetsPlayThru thanks Gabe
Seems to me like the Bushnell total number is off. I know my 9 iron doesn’t roll out 11-12 yards?
Good for you
Great video! What golf ball were you using? If you werent using an RCT ball can you try one and see if the spin numbers are more accurate?
I was using regular golf balls, which to me, is a big selling point of this unit. I actually did try the RCT balls and couldn’t get a reading from them bizarrely enough.
Your reviews have been my foundational research tool! Thank you. Do you know if the SC4 has the technology already included in the device to someday push a software update to include axis spin (show slice/hook) data? If so, do you know if there has been any indication that they are working on that upgrade at this time?
seems like the spin numbers were always roughly 2000 rpms higher on the sc4
What about outdoors on a driving range setting especially spin numbers?
Same results
Any tips of the shot EQ. Not too sure how to use it effectively other than lowering or Increasing it a percentage higher
how have your carry distances with short (30-80y) partial wedge shots been with the sc4? that's usually another difficult zone for inexpensive radar units but it's among my priorities.
It’s definitely tougher with a Doppler device at this price point.
@@LetsPlayThru Yeah, I am dismantling my backyard sim (really hard in a 4-season area vs a fixed indoor setup). REALLY loved my skytrak for dialing in distances like this and am trying to find the best (albeit prob not as good) of the simpler ones to just get wedge carry at a driving range - mevo, SC200/300/4, etc.
I like the swing caddie no-app interface but think maybe the mevo (non plus) might be arguably the best in this bracket since it's now like 350 bucks. Hard to say.
FINALLY someone did a real review of the sc4. Seems like spin is 2000 more. So just subtract. I really like this unit so hopefully they can fix the spin issue
Can you do a review of this at an outdoor range?
Yes sorry for the delay. I have been testing it for a while just to make sure of what I was seeing. I even tried multiple units. Outdoors I was getting the same results more or less. I am also confident that they can fix the spin since it’s so specifically high.
@@LetsPlayThru so it’s just the spin levels everything else looks good. Are you able to contact swing caddie and let them know about the issue?
@@islandsnow yes that’s the only thing I see. Yes I have contacted them and I will put up a new video as soon as it’s fixed. I am very confident they will do so.
@@LetsPlayThru will be editing for your video and I’m buy mine from your affiliation with that store that sells it
Don’t the dots help better track spin, especially indoors?
Just picked mine up. Carry numbers were pretty close I’d say. Spin was all over the place. Some saying 1900 on the driver and some 4400. I avg like 3300 on the driver spin. Also the launch of the ball on the app were in directions the ball didn’t travel in real life. Is it something I’m doing wrong?
This sounds promissing .... Might try this one.
One remark about the advise link .... I said under 700 and 2 out off 3 advise are 2000+ ... :).
I’ve had it about two weeks now and it really doesn’t do shot shape. Do you think it’s because I don’t have enough room for it to read ball flight?
No, it's not you - the SC4 doesn't know how to measure (nor does it try to estimate) the spin axis which means no accurate shot shaping. Let's say the ball has 7000 rpm of back spin - it's how that spinning ball is tilted in the air that sends it more left or right and creates shape. I was disappointed that the SC4 doesn't measure or calculate it. It seems like it may only be good for carry distances and club head speed.
Very interesting and valuable test. Thank you very much!👋
Can you change the altitude on this monitor? I live at 5600 ft and find that many monitors are hard set at sea level
How does this device compare with the new Optishot Orbit? Second, does this integrate with awesome golf? How does E6 compare to Orion?
I'm completely new to golf and new to similators, but I'm building one. Open to any/all recommendations and insight.
Lastly, thank you.
It’s the exact same hardware. They licensed it from Voice Caddie.
Never tried Orion but e6 is proven. I’d def be buying the SC4 for $200 less.
Do you know how much the orion software costs?
with your fade shot you had a 138 carry, the swing caddie reported 151 total and your bushnell reported 138 carry and 137 total.....may want to take the bushnell back...😂
BLP releasing 12-13 yards (Total - carry) with a PW? I think the SC4 giving a more realistic PW total. Even 5 yards a release with a PW is high. Thoughts?
Yeah, I never trust total distance on any device really. On the range it always gives a longer number. So yeah, roll out looked better with the SC4 there. Spin is really my only concern.
Look at the launch conditions though on that first one, only 6274 RPM of spin, 96mph, and a launch angle of 19.8° landing on the fairway. That sounds very realistic for the ball to roll out that much with those launch conditions, it's essentially a thinned PW.
How much are the Sim subscriptions like E6?
I'll just buy all of them and then decide.
Nice review on the sc4…
curious if you have tried the new fsx pro app update for iOS and has the range experience gotten any better when using the BLP with a iOS device? Ty
I haven’t yet, but def will do soon. I’ve heard good things.
@@LetsPlayThru appreciate it. Fingers crossed, it should be better
Thank you! So how would you stack it up against the rapsodo assuming they fix the issue and add E6 ability and then assuming they don’t?
Assuming they make the SC4 firmware updates I’d say it will be the better option since it will be priced significantly cheaper and with no subscription needed and no RPT balls necessary. If they can’t then Rapsodo would be my choice.
I have the SC300i and the spin rates seem to be right. All of my use has been outside, have you tried the SC4 outside to see if there is any difference?
That's great to hear, John. Yes did try mine outdoors as well.
What simulator software does it work with now that its been out out for 6 months
Can you specify what your lofts are for each club within the SC4 app because maybe the algorithm it runs off of is different from your actual clubs. If your irons are stronger by so many degrees its going to say your spin rates higher than it actually is. Wonder if you preform tests with the 9i but select the 8i on the SC4 it gives closer numbers. If would be best if you can input your clubs with lofts to get the most accurate numbers and if you have other use the system the numbers may be a bit off unless you can update with profiles. Just thoughts I had but Im no app developer or at all a great player. Just love tech and enjoy your reviews.
Yes you can
@@jcigno4 if so then the numbers are not inaccurate the error in video were an operator error.
@@tylerjarvis9765 Bryson DeChambeau set up next to me at the range with his expensive launch monitor. I asked if he would do a compare for me. He set his up and hit about 12 8 irons 195 yards in my stall with SC4 and his device. All the numbers matchup with the SC4 and his expensive device. The 12 balls were all good strikes. I think the numbers are good.
Could be signal interference between the two launch monitors
Just wondering if you tried putting dots on the ball to see if spin numbers changed?
I didn’t try that
Hey Gabe, I m thinking of going this lunch monitor for my Christmas present for indoor and out door use ,did they ever get the spin numbers fixed on this product?? I do not have an indoor launch bay built I just hit into a net in the garage the it gets cold and out doors with the net when its warm and will use it at the driving range and at the golf course on slow days !
Or do you have a better suggestion for a monitor under $500 that would serve my golfing needs???
Hi Shane, it definitely improved since I first reviewed. I think value to money this and the R10 are the best two choices in that price range.
@@LetsPlayThru thank you for your input , and keep up 2024 with your great content !!!
Thanks for your review... Been looking for the difference between the 300i and SC4. Is there a big difference? Would be willing to pay the difference between the two but can't seem to find anything explaining the difference between the two. Thanks
The big difference is that the SC4 will have simulation. That’s not possible with the 300i.
@@LetsPlayThru thanks for that... Thru watching videos I came to that conclusion. Don't really care about that so the 300i will work fine!
Gabe, any update on the spin on this?
Last I knew they had definitely improved it
Are you taking it on outside on range Gabe? Would spin improve?
I did, yes. Same result
This disappoints me. I got mine about 3-4 weeks ago and haven't even used it yet. My biggest thing I wanted was spin on my driver. For the life of me I cannot get the spin low enough. I'm right about 4500+ I thought I'd tried everything but this doesn't seem to be the thing I want. With that number being off it seems the carry would be off as well. Yes, the rollout will be off but it seems to me the spin number being almost double your usual would drop the yardage.
If you can just wait a couple of days. Let’s see if a firmware fix comes out.
Are you using a normal golf ball or are you using a reflective ball like the Titleist rct? That would make a huge difference.
RCT balls would not work for me. No reads. And the promise of this device is that you can use regular balls.
@LetsPlayThru so SC4 vs MLM2pro. Which one would be your go to for range practice and indoor practice?
my sc4 arrived today, unfortunately the Swing Caddie app just isn't working.
You need to make sure you get the MySwingCaddie app. There’s also a MyVoiceCaddie app but that won’t work.
@@LetsPlayThru thanks for the response. it is the swing caddie app. I downloaded them both to be sure.
The website says it requires 5ft behind the ball but no requirement in front. How about hitting into a net? Anyone have feedback?
10 ft + is optimal, 6-7 ft minimum.
Hey Mate, In my SC4 with video mode it doesn't seem to want to export the video with the shot data. Any Ideas on what I need to do to get that?
Hey David, could you shoot me an email or Insta message. I can try to help.
@@LetsPlayThru thanks mate, will msg you on IG
Does this unit have feature that can adjust the numbers if you're hitting range balls? Does any consumer unit have this feature? I'd really like to dial in distances at the range but my range uses standard range balls.
The R10 and new Rapsodo both do. I did not see it on here though.
@@LetsPlayThru Ok. I've searched the product description pages and user guides for both and can't see this feature described anywhere. Seems like a selling point they'd want to advertise.
Does the SC4 record video or do you need to use your phone or tablet?
Your phone/tablet
Voice Caddie always has an issue with spin, but they always fix it in time with software updates,
Yes, I'm confident they'll get it right
The lack of spin axis is really what kills it for me. You can't play (or simulate accurately) a ball flight indoors that is not close to what would really happen.
If you slice or hook the ball, the worst this thing would do is report a push or pull that probably doesn't look as bad because the horizontal launch isn't what takes it OB - it's that PLUS the tilted spin axis.
Yes I’d like to see that curvature as well
Agree with you that the reason I haven't buy it...
I’m hoping we will see a firmware update soon. 🤞
@@LetsPlayThru Is that something they are able to add/do you know if its something they are actively working on?
@@JackMunro-fv4lx probably an algorithm 🤷♂️
It is strange that they get the carry distance right with such a high spin number as more spin equals less distance - rule of thumb is that every extra 500 rpm equals 1.5 yards less carry. My concern would be that if they are getting back spin so wrong what is side spin and therefore shot shape like indoors?
I agree, and this is def what gives me hope that the next firmware update should solve it
Were you using rct balls?
Unfortunately with how much spin determines (carry, total, height) these low budget monitors are all but useless if they can't get spin right.
Your last strike the bushnell is more likely cotrect because at 90mph swing speed 1900 spin isnt enough to keep it in the air which is why it was shorter. Sc4 reported as longer carry because 4k spin kept it up. Spin determines everything, SC4 looks useless.
This or the Garmin R10????
It will depend on what you want to use it for. The Garmin R10 will give you an estimated spin axis which is a lot more accurate for the shape of your shots than nothing at all. The SC4 is going to be a really inaccurate launch monitor for simulation if you want to try and get close to where the ball would go in real life. It doesn't measure or try to estimate/calculate spin axis, so where the ball lands according to Voice Caddie can be very different than what would happen in real life.
If you just want to hit balls on a driving range or into a net to get carry distances, seems like either would work for you.
@@robgillanofficial Thank you !!
is there a minimum distance requirement from ball to net ? i cant seem to find the information on their website
Maybe not official, but the general rule with this Doppler tech is 8’
Biggest thing I don't like is the audio of the carry I wouldn't buy it just cause of that
That can be changed to “total” or turned off altogether
@Lets Play Thru good to know the voice isn't something others would want to hear on the range, if it was a home Sim wouldn't be a issue
Just get an R10.