“What dies on the cross is not only the earthly-finite representative of God, but God himself, the very transcendent God of beyond.” - Zizek. “God is dead. God remains dead. And we have killed him. How shall we comfort ourselves, the murderers of all murderers? What was holiest and mightiest of all that the world has yet owned has bled to death under our knives: who will wipe this blood off us? What water is there for us to clean ourselves? What festivals of atonement, what sacred games shall we have to invent? Is not the greatness of this deed too great for us? Must we ourselves not become gods simply to appear worthy of it?” - Nietzsche Theosis can now be interpreted as the ultimate atheistic humanism found within the story of Christ, that God became man that man might become God. There is no big Other to watch you or save you. We are here, together, to make use of this world left to us after God let us kill him so that we may feast on his flesh to become gods ourselves. This is the greatest love of a Father: to make himself obsolete by upbuilding his own children to the point of their total freedom from dependence on Him. Now we may learn this love as the God the Father so loved us by the death of the Son, in the Holy Ghost left by the death of God, which is found as the social network of communities of believers (the logos). "Many die too late, and some die too early. Yet strange soundeth the precept: 'Die at the right time!'" - Nietzsche This frees us for power, to truly love ourselves that we may truly love one another, that through us higher life may arise, not because some Big Other demands it as sacrifice, but because we must serve life or die a soul death. Subjective Destitution: "The second, more radical step, is subjective destitution, in which "the analysand has to suspend the urge to symbolize/internalize, to interpret, to search for a ‘deeper meaning’; he has to accept that the traumatic encounters which traced out the itinerary of his life were utterly contingent and indifferent, that they bear no ‘deeper message.'"[1]" nosubject.com/Subjective_Destitution
@@basicbrothermailSubjective destitution? Do you care to put more of your ideas forward? I mean, a sort of “how it looks in your estimation”? (Beyond what’s provided here). I’d gladly cover it. [id even read a brief essay or overview of some idea or what have you, if you have one].
@@SharperPenImageConsulting I am sorry. I misled you by accident. All quoted is not my own. I should have spoken more accurately. However - since I am learning I will give it a go, but know it is a student's attempt. In this case subjective destitution is going beyond all frameworks, akin to the nothingness that the lion experiences in "The Three Metamorphoses" of Nietzsche's "Thus Spake Zarathustra." It is once this destitution is reached that we can allow the meaning built within, the oversoul that does the doing that we are, to 'take over,' so to speak. Catholics might refer to this as 'abandoning the [false] self to the divine,' in a kind of 'giving in,' from which higher spontaneity, organic, erotic longing takes over - guiding us, as little children, who say YES. Now - obviously this is framing things. Subjective destitution is a stage, but it is inherently unstable. We can't survive long outside of symbolization, and I've gotten close, but I don't know that I've achieved actual pure nothingness ... not sure that's possible. But these conceptual frameworks made to describe the purgative process of shedding old, work out frameworks has inherit limits, but for now I'm limited by me, not the framework as such. ua-cam.com/video/9EilqfAIudI/v-deo.html I look forward to learning more alongside you!
No problem. I like that. I also like to recast myself as student, as needed. Otherwise, you wind up constipated, old, stupid, ridiculous, and/or insane, and then you die anyway. What you say largely makes total sense to me, though I could argue with anything and everything as is my nature, but I was thinking, not in terms of false consciousness, alienation, and the like, but a supra-position of self by way of self extrication - which requires a casting and recasting of self (virtue - creation/procreation) over time, whose own limited conceptions must eventually break down, and then the position is only ever a question of ascending or descending therefrom - and at what heights, length, scale, distance? That is to say, one eventually wakes to the (other) voice within, or, you're left repeating other people's words, and questioning yourself, because you never learned to trust your self wholly (as if there was something or someone outside the self to create or designate value - it's arguable that this is a "brain-dead-ness," and that its even inherited - the disease, the pathology, the madness, becomes "permanently internalized" - differentiated from paganism, the imminent, reality unfolding, outer forces and visions). Long story short, when Nietzsche writes the Superman must have his Superdragon, it's basically a never-before-witnessed case of transference that would cook your "average" psychiatric patient's (average westerner's) noodle. This is exactly what he means by "when you stare into the abyss..." There's "no other way out," or, "there was never a way out," as Alice learns, through the looking class, the characters here are transparent jerks, generally insane, and whether "in or "out" of the looking glass, there is no "escape." Also, you might like the video I put out today on Guerdjiff. Take care, and I'll see you around.
“What dies on the cross is not only the earthly-finite representative of God, but God himself, the very transcendent God of beyond.” - Zizek.
“God is dead. God remains dead. And we have killed him. How shall we comfort ourselves, the murderers of all murderers? What was holiest and mightiest of all that the world has yet owned has bled to death under our knives: who will wipe this blood off us? What water is there for us to clean ourselves? What festivals of atonement, what sacred games shall we have to invent? Is not the greatness of this deed too great for us? Must we ourselves not become gods simply to appear worthy of it?” - Nietzsche
Theosis can now be interpreted as the ultimate atheistic humanism found within the story of Christ, that God became man that man might become God.
There is no big Other to watch you or save you. We are here, together, to make use of this world left to us after God let us kill him so that we may feast on his flesh to become gods ourselves. This is the greatest love of a Father: to make himself obsolete by upbuilding his own children to the point of their total freedom from dependence on Him. Now we may learn this love as the God the Father so loved us by the death of the Son, in the Holy Ghost left by the death of God, which is found as the social network of communities of believers (the logos).
"Many die too late, and some die too early. Yet strange soundeth the precept: 'Die at the right time!'" - Nietzsche
This frees us for power, to truly love ourselves that we may truly love one another, that through us higher life may arise, not because some Big Other demands it as sacrifice, but because we must serve life or die a soul death.
Subjective Destitution: "The second, more radical step, is subjective destitution, in which "the analysand has to suspend the urge to symbolize/internalize, to interpret, to search for a ‘deeper meaning’; he has to accept that the traumatic encounters which traced out the itinerary of his life were utterly contingent and indifferent, that they bear no ‘deeper message.'"[1]" nosubject.com/Subjective_Destitution
Is that all Zizek? He seems very endearing. I mean that (partially from what little I’ve seen / know of him), and also what you provided here.
@@SharperPenImageConsulting Only what is quoted and attributed directly to Zizek is Zizek's. The rest is influenced by Zizek but is my own.
@@basicbrothermailSubjective destitution? Do you care to put more of your ideas forward? I mean, a sort of “how it looks in your estimation”? (Beyond what’s provided here). I’d gladly cover it. [id even read a brief essay or overview of some idea or what have you, if you have one].
@@SharperPenImageConsulting I am sorry. I misled you by accident. All quoted is not my own. I should have spoken more accurately.
However - since I am learning I will give it a go, but know it is a student's attempt.
In this case subjective destitution is going beyond all frameworks, akin to the nothingness that the lion experiences in "The Three Metamorphoses" of Nietzsche's "Thus Spake Zarathustra." It is once this destitution is reached that we can allow the meaning built within, the oversoul that does the doing that we are, to 'take over,' so to speak. Catholics might refer to this as 'abandoning the [false] self to the divine,' in a kind of 'giving in,' from which higher spontaneity, organic, erotic longing takes over - guiding us, as little children, who say YES. Now - obviously this is framing things. Subjective destitution is a stage, but it is inherently unstable. We can't survive long outside of symbolization, and I've gotten close, but I don't know that I've achieved actual pure nothingness ... not sure that's possible. But these conceptual frameworks made to describe the purgative process of shedding old, work out frameworks has inherit limits, but for now I'm limited by me, not the framework as such.
ua-cam.com/video/9EilqfAIudI/v-deo.html
I look forward to learning more alongside you!
No problem. I like that. I also like to recast myself as student, as needed. Otherwise, you wind up constipated, old, stupid, ridiculous, and/or insane, and then you die anyway.
What you say largely makes total sense to me, though I could argue with anything and everything as is my nature, but I was thinking, not in terms of false consciousness, alienation, and the like, but a supra-position of self by way of self extrication - which requires a casting and recasting of self (virtue - creation/procreation) over time, whose own limited conceptions must eventually break down, and then the position is only ever a question of ascending or descending therefrom - and at what heights, length, scale, distance? That is to say, one eventually wakes to the (other) voice within, or, you're left repeating other people's words, and questioning yourself, because you never learned to trust your self wholly (as if there was something or someone outside the self to create or designate value - it's arguable that this is a "brain-dead-ness," and that its even inherited - the disease, the pathology, the madness, becomes "permanently internalized" - differentiated from paganism, the imminent, reality unfolding, outer forces and visions). Long story short, when Nietzsche writes the Superman must have his Superdragon, it's basically a never-before-witnessed case of transference that would cook your "average" psychiatric patient's (average westerner's) noodle. This is exactly what he means by "when you stare into the abyss..."
There's "no other way out," or, "there was never a way out," as Alice learns, through the looking class, the characters here are transparent jerks, generally insane, and whether "in or "out" of the looking glass, there is no "escape." Also, you might like the video I put out today on Guerdjiff. Take care, and I'll see you around.