Scott: "It's the overexposure to Wesker that's making people not enjoy going against him. So how do you fix that? Make him less fun so people don't want to play him more? No--" Someone at BHVR: "Guys! I know how to fix the game's Wesker problem!!"
Isn't that literally what they did with Hillbilly back in his prime? Everyone was playing him and they gave him a complete add-on rework and the overheat mechanic And boom, nobody plays Hillbilly
@@Yoshiinite tbf billy was also considered to be high A or low S tier back then. Nerfing billy back then would be the equivalent of nerfing blight today, except blight's base kit is substantially better, so he wouldn't suffer from an add-on nerf that much.
@@yunero6132 What? Clown is boring as hell. you get to a loop survivor is forced to Pre drop because of the bottles and now you play the Vaulting game with the pallet. He disables loops so survivors are just forced into playing safe and its boring.
The only thing I dislike about wesker is when I vault pallet or window, he uses his power and like I am on the other side of loop and because he dashed I am getting teleported back and grabbed. EVERY SINGLE TIME.
What i dislike is the Infection progression not stopping when you're being chased, they really need to give that the Pig trap treatment, where it pauses if the killer is chasing It's literally so bad, getting unhooked and Wesker chasing to tunnel and have that thing not stop, terrible design in that part.
Hot take, you didn't actually make the vault by seconds and because his wack animation for vaults is currently non-existent (except for endurance hits), it looks like he got a hit that he shouldn't have.
@@sam7259considering you can grabbed from the other side of the window when you didn’t vault it’s not that you didn’t me make it. It’s that his grab hit box goes through walls.
@@Idontknowwhat2type if your feet landed, sure. If not, any killer can get hits like that with ping in the equation. Demogorgon shred lands those same hits you describe frequently.
The thing about Weskers hitbox as well is the fact that he pulls you to his position, unlike other killers such as huntress or demogorgon. This makes hit seem way worse than they really are, while it is no different than any other killer who gets an awkward hit because of latency.
The hit box is awful, when you get grabbed after a 85% jump feels like you've been had. When he holds power and hits you 5m from your mod its gross (console btw)
Also, there needs to be an animation change for when Wesker catches you at a window instead of just resetting you back. What should actually happen is you get downed/injured but on the other side of the window. It's too jarring otherwise and just breaks the flow
I think it's also to due with the fact that his virulent bound logic is really janky when it comes to hitting survivors at window vaults. During his first release, I remember when you got hit at a vault when he was bounding at you, and you were halfway through the vault, he just slapped you with his tentacle and you finished the vault. Nowadays, I will literally see my character's model hit the ground on the other side of the window vault, and Wesker will just pull me to the other side, as if the vault didn't happen, slam me, and force me to vault the window again. This also happens at pallets, where you drop the pallet on the other side of Wesker, he grabs you, pulls you to other side, and slams you against the pallet.....that you just dropped... If they had the tentacle-slap animation play in these instances, instead of these weird grabs, I would be more okay with Wesker.
Also more jank after one of the latest updates to where he grabs a survivor from behind another survivor and slams them into the supposed protector. Making it even more fun to play as him since it's easier to get kills.
Like normal hits, the bound hits can and are supposed to hit through pallets. If you drop it late and get hit that's your own problem. The issue is the grab part, like the window logic, they are supposed to slap as you are locked in animation, not grab, but they do anyway. Although most people seem to think that it's impossible to get hit during the pallet drop animation and they boil it down to a Wesker problem. The only issue I see with getting grabbed instead of slapped when dropping a pallet is losing the momentum and an extra half-second or so of speed boost. Getting grabbed and put onto his shoulder does nothing but save him 5.34 seconds, assuming he breaks the pallet, which is pretty much insignificant.
ive watched a survivor vault a window for the 3rd time, i pull them back and now they're on the other side with the entity blocker. that was ridiculous
@@Yoshiinite just imagine how many times you played whatever-side using some mid-tier perks and add-ons and still managed to get called a slur in endgame chat. People just be salty on this game and you can't cater to everyone.
I really like playing Wesker and even versing him. I just get really frustrated when I A get too many Weskers or B die because I was able to loop him long enough to die due to his infection which also feels kinda bad. Other than that he is definitely a great Killer
Running a Wesker until infection kicks in, starting from 0 charges to the 100 charges it takes is a minute and 40 second chase (without infection rate add-ons) if he still hasn't downed you by the time it kicks in, which at that point that's so much time he's spent going after you that it's been nothing but a detriment to him in the long run so I disagree with you on your second point for that. It only really sucks when you do that and your team isn't competent enough to do gens in the meantime.
@@xbruhmomentx4869 It still kinda feels shit to get hit because of that -8%. Infection shouldn't go up or at least should go up much slower in chase. Like 50% slower.
@@M4ysFu I know right? It's so bad that whenever i get non-Wesker killers i sigh of relief lol Like i get so hyped when i see Twins, Hag or Bubba, Twins I've seen like once in all of this year so far, Hag i have seen a couple times. Bubba is the more common of the three But oh my god, this is so bad, I'd gladly eat a 5 minute queue wait if they bring the killer repeat prevention feature, honestly
Wesker’s music is also a huge factor to why I love playing him, it makes the chase so much more intense than any other chase theme and makes it feel like an event, couple that with an amazing power and voice lines, I never wanna stop playing this man
My guy how on Earth do you not get triggered hearing the SAME 10 second loop of music over and over every damn game for a year? 😂 that's my biggest gripe with overexposed killers... Gameplay wise I love Wesker but God damn that FN' music 😡
@@boringmonkey6958Cuz it’s intense and fits the mood of a chase against a man who can cover 50 steps in two seconds Plus it fits better as a 10 second loop than most other killers imo because most of the music is too mellow and low to be intense for me, Wesker’s and Nemesis’s are just perfect to me
I don't hate Wesker, he can be really hilarious. Like when he goes for his charge and you dodge at the last second and he vaults! This shit never fails to make me cry laughing.
Nothing make me cry in game after missing the gear and vaulting out the window down to the second floor. Funny and sad. A roller coaster of emotions in a second.
@@wargutz7291 Did you see the clip where someone used the new nick cage perk to down themselves as a wesker goes to dash, and the wesker vaults down to floor one on midwich? Had be dying for like 5 minutes
All fun and games until you do that and after Wesker misses you and vaults the window, you get teleported to the other side of the window and slammed against that said window from the other side... Still lots of bugs which can sometimes be hilarious, but most often that not are just frustrating
I personally also dislike playing against wesker. Part of that is the amount of super sweaty weskers i've faced and part of it has to do it with getting grabbed through pallets, windows or from around corners paired with the amazing tunneling potential wesker has when someone is infected (which many weskers that ive faced used). The whole dashing part of his kit is fine its just the amount of times that youre 90% done with the vault and then get grabbed back by the wesker or the wesker just decides to tunnel of hook bc youre infected. TLDR the hitboxes are jank and the infection when coming off hook is a pain in the ass.
I hate playing against wesker for these reasons. 1. Not being able to get to another loop on time. When I'm playing against wesker and get trash rng its a pain, when your forced to go to another loop, more often then not the wesker might just get a free hit because either the loop your forced to run to is not viable and unsafe or he can close the distance quickly and you might not get anywhere in time. 2. I don't like repeating what others have said so I'll make it quick, I'm tired of getting pulled back on the other side even though it's pretty clear that the vault animation is pretty much finished or should be finished. 3. The fucking infection. By wesker having his infection needing to be cleansed it indirectly encourages tunneling just for the fact that it gives away location and its the same problem I have with nemesis, I don't like trying to heal up and recover only for my location to be revealed because I don't wanna be downed in one hit. If the wesker player can't find anybody and has nothing better to do and he noticies you cleansed your infection why would he not go after you again, he only benefits from it.
I'd say one of the annoying things with wesker is his terror radius. I got him 6+ times in a row the other day, and because his radius is so massive, that's 6 games where you have it playing on loop with almost no break.
Biggest problem with Wesker is that most tunnel the shit out of you after unhook if you are infected, because it's so easy to do - to what Scott also gave criticism about The hitbox on windows and pallets etc, which will be fixed, but lastly also the lunge hitbox on m1 often feels like it shouldn't reach, but it does, so even if it felt like you could do one more loop before dropping the pallet, it feels bad to get hit there, when Wesker is on not too bad of a ping...
m1 hitbox is for very simple reasoning, that being that all killers have the same hitbox there. pyramidhead feels like hits should connect when they dont, meanwhile something like wesker of freddy be having that extendo arm
I had a game like two days ago against wesker, where I dropped a pallet in the office on Lérys, waited for a second to see if wesker would use his power to vault it, then watched in disbelief as he used his power and I got teleported to the opposite side of the pallet and got injured. Just gave up the chase at that point.
My main issue with Wesker for a while now is his hitbox. I can't even begin to explain how many times I've been grabbed a ridiculous distance around a corner or through a window and the window one is more annoying. People say it would hit and injure/down anyway, yeah sure, but it's annoying in chase to have feet on the ground running away, the Wesker grabs you and pulls you through the window, losing a window vault and near all your distance from the hit too. I feel this issue just goes ignored and the devs don't even seem to want to fix the window stuff.
They're going to fix the window grabs in the Nicholas Cage patch I'm pretty sure, with the hitboxes though, it usually comes down to ping and/or what the killer sees in comparison to what you may see. But I will agree on the fact that there are for sure numerous times where some hits shouldn't land
It feels the opposite when u play him as killer. You find yourself missing attacks that seem like they should hit, and if u miss its by an actual hair.
He's also one of the most iconic characters in video gaming, and quite honestly the best looking male killer in the entire roster without being blatantly over sexualized, with loads of style and fun quotes.
I've been keeping track of what killers I get over the past 3 weeks. I played an average of 6-8 hours of DBD per week and in that span of time, I faced 39 Weskers. My next highest killer count was 12. I wish I had your problem. lol
I’ve always hated him honestly, between the janky hitboxes and his infection mechanic encouraging tunneling, I’ve never really enjoyed facing him. And the fact that he’s so overplayed is the icing on the cake
I wouldn't mind Wesker if his virulent bound hit boxes were fixed. I'm sick of getting grabbed through solid walls, from opposite sides of tiles, over downed pallets or even from separate floors (RPD)
The only issue I have with Wesker is his Hindered when fully infected. I think BHVR has been spamming Hindered and Haste way too much lately, and I think it's really, really lazy and problematic. Hindered is something that should be taken lightly or completely designed around. Clown's chase power is designed around Hindering them. Wesker's is designed around bounding at them, not Hindering them. He should not get both.
It's even worse how the infection doesn't even stop in chase, like you get unhooked and Wesker goes after you immediately to tunnel, you're just screwed because you can't even grab a spray can and that shit infection never stops. It's so ass, i wish they'd give it the Pig trap treatment.
@@KarlDelaney99 i know right? Lmao just disinfect, it's so easy But really, if the infection progression doesn't pause during a chase, then might as well turn the sprays into an insta-cure syringe or something instead of a slow ass spray can to counter tunneling Weskers 😭
I don't think it's an overexposure thing entirely. I think the main problem lies in that he's a high-tier killer that can traverse the map easily, has great anti-loop, can vault god windows and pallets, hit multiple survivors at once, can displace survivors and that remains 115% speed with additional tasks that must be performed ASAP otherwise you'll be rendered a slow, instadownable sitting duck. And even if you successfully complete these tasks, there's a chance he just saw your exact location and he's heading straight towards you right away. Curing the infection has to be streamlined because it's miserable and overwhelming from a casual perspective on top of everything Wesker already has.
I think you're just bad. 😅 Genuinely, no offense, but I've faced nonstop Wesker's and it's given me better insight into counter-play. I think you just either main survivor or don't have so many hours, because I'll hear silly solutions by newbies all the time. "Wraith should have limited cloaks." "Trapper's traps should be sabotaged faster." "Nemesis is too OP with tentacle." "Huntress should have less hatchets." "It should take longer for Oni to gather orbs." Some people are just asking for free wins.
Please keep in mind Wesker's 2 dashes go about 21~ meters combined. Base time to recharge is 6 seconds per bound, with a -0.5 sec per charge buff for each infected survivor. One Blight Rush is 27.6 meters, and he has 5 of those basekit, and takes 2 seconds to get each token back, so 10 secs + 2.5-3 sec fatigue is 12.5-13 secs of downtime. I think you might have a skewed sense of Wesker's map traversal ability.
@@KingBurger52 just focus on the ovrerall point i made about the infection being unfun to deal with on a killer with a kit like weskers. calling me bad and a survivor main and listing a bunch of stupid things people have said isn't going to change my perspective and is just asinine.
@@dylanu1384 yeah, but that's blight. compare wesker to pretty much everyone below him and he has much better and more practical map traversal. i actually enjoy facing blight significantly more than wesker too.
@@Headspr0uter Here's another comparison of a lower tier killer than Wesker. Bubba: 5.29 m/s x 6 (3 charges x 2 secs each) = 31.74m with a 4.5 second fatigue, & 12 second cooldown for 3 charges. Is Bubba's map control too strong also?
My own baseless theory about it is Wesker just attracts a certain crowd of more competitive people who pick high skill ceiling characters and play harder than most to win -- think sweaty blights -- but where it goes differently for Wesker is his power is balanced enough so those players will still resort to more annoying M1 killer strategies like tunneling because they can't keep coasting along on his power alone.
Nah I just think wesker attracts more casual players that don't care about if they camp or tunnel all game because he's an easily recognizable character and has a power that actually fits him unlike nemesis I don't think the sweaty blights that bring adrenaline vial, compound 33 ec are gonna downgrade from a top 2 character
@@chemistrymike Then those killers that scott mentioned just didn't have high enough ping. It's literally a latency issue that is not related to wesker at all.
If every killer was as fun to play as and against as wesker, then there wouldn’t be so much of him. It’s behaviors issue with designing boring killers not wesker himself
(big rant incoming) hot take: I don't really like playing as wesker because his power feels too simple and passive to use (excluding techs but I'll get to that) with dredge you can build up nightfall by hitting survivors, using your power, keeping them injured, hooking survivors making an interesting way to play where you can choose to use your power normally or sacrifice it temporarily to build up nightfall or drop chase with an injured survivor to injure a healthy one making nightfall come faster it's not super impactful especially against good survivors with map knowledge but it is fun to try to manage your nightfall, with wesker you just use your power that you would use anyways to hit a survivor like you would do anyways to infect them and there's nothing else you can do to speed up their infection or anything to think about like who you should focus on infecting first/faster than other survivors compared to huntress, deathslinger, oni, billy, trapper, hag his power doesn't feel rewarding to hit with a trapper it feels amazing to have that annoying survivor step into a trap infront of you, with a billy that cross map saw feels as if you could 1v1 god and win, with wesker you just grab them and move on sure you could get a hit after a rebound but it doesn't feel like you did anything special you literally just stand in a place and look in a direction then the game does it for you I am probably just bad at wesker which is why I don't like him but at the same time I have no motivation to want to learn him as his only strategies to learn are just techs which in my opinion is boring since there is no sense of getting better at the killer gradually instead you just learn a tech, know when to use it and then implement it giving you a spike of feeling as if you've learned something that wares off after the 5th time you do it but at the end of the day I'm just a dopamine junkie who likes flashy and strategically intensive things as well as micromanaging what I'm doing which at least from my point of view wesker doesn't have, I'm open to changing my mind on this and if someone would like to try to suggest something I'll be happy to hear it and try it out myself but at least for the time being wesker will be one of my least played killers only being beaten out by nurse and trapper
Wesker try not to tunnel challenge(impossible edition) Seriously tho, like the second you unhook he 180s and beelines for the hook and yeah it’s basically every wesker
This, he like 180's his head. Like sure, sometimes people do unsafe unhooks while he's still in the area, but I have seen Wesker's drop chase on the opposite side of the map to go for the person who had just been unhooked or in rare cases, the player who did the unhooking.... 😅
Had a tunneling ttv wesker get me out of the game at 4 gens yesterday because of this. He even had his mods spamming messages in chat to practice the game and get better if said streamer tunneled you out. Like seriously? This guy is a p100 wesker and he thinks he's good because he can tunnel you out right off hook while infected lmao You literally have no time to heal let alone cleanse if a wesker chooses to tunnel you.
@@shawnmclaren8924 I had a VPN Wesker hard tunnel me at 5 gens, no sooner had I loaded into the match trying to get my bearings on where I was he was on top of me. I couldn't run or loop him, just down in two minutes flat. Everytime I tried to get away from him, he was on top of me. Like he either had really good map sense or he was hacking, (he didn't have lethal or infectious) he just *knew* where I was. >.>
Played 4 Weskers last night and all of them did exactly this. It’s extremely boring when you face him every other match. His infection mechanics need to be changed to prevent braindead gameplay like this.
@@lungzsno he's right, your just ass and can't play against wesker. If i want to tunnel I'll play make your choice deathslinger, no escape there, hell I'll play sadako because no body blocks, wesker is not the easiest killer to tunnel with, you just cant loop against him because you are inadequate, thats a skill issue, that's coping. Back to playing wesker until they nerf him to keep bitches like you happy.
my 2 cents since wesker seems to be suddenly hated. I've never really liked going against him because for me, he is part of those coin toss killers that have powers which at first seems interactive but all it takes is the killer to play correctly for you to have not so much to do. To kinda explain, I feel exactly the same towards huntress. You can deny her power but at some point she will be able to use it, and the only thing you can do now is pray because most hatchet plays are within a distance that is simply not dodgeable (or coim toss as I said). It's similar with Wesker where you either deny his power or there is simply nothing you can do about it. His only redeeming factor, which makes him more bearable than other killers to me, is the fact that he is 115% so if you deny his power he can still loop normally and you as a survivor get to use your looping skills as well
6:06 I disagree with Wesker's hitbox being "completely fine". Every single Wesker I encounter, the same exact thing happens: He starts using his M2 > I juke it > I get grabbed anyway. There's nothing I can do but hope Wesker misses me by a large margin so I don't get magneto grabbed, which is essentially Nurse gameplay ("hoping that the Killer messes up else you get hit") and it's so boring. And people who play Wesker love nodding for some reason, so after getting unfairly downed they start aggressively nodding every time, as if I didn't just get robbed. And yes, I always check the Killer's ping, and it doesn't seem to matter if the Wesker player has a red ping or not.
I genuinely think implementing bonus BP incentives for the least played Killers each patch would help ease people off Wesker and reward and encourage the people that like playing the more niche killers. Obviously, Killers like Freddy and Twins will always have the incentive on since there's virtually nothing to like about them on either side aside from their lore, but who knows, people might actually start seeing Hillbilly and Pig played more than once every blue moon.
I'd say the only change he needs is basically just nerfing is ability to tunnel, like lower the infection you retain from an unhook to 35% from 50%, and like what Scott said, make it not progress until either the unhook timer fully decays, or preforming a conspicuous action, also possibly decreasing the full infection slowdown to 5% from 9%.
I was surprised when I found out my friends hate Wesker, but they said it's mostly because of his bugs. Like how you get grabbed mid window vault, the janky hit boxes, desync, etc. Also, most importantly: Wesker is like one of the most played killers, and facing the same killer all the time could be boring.
I just hate how comically large and forgiving the hitbox is on his dash. That combined with how many killer players seemingly live on the moon with how bad their connections are, and just how many there are playing wesker, makes facing him kinda annoying lately. I'd rather him to A LOT of other killers though so like I'm not sad about getting one or anything.
There's also only so many times you can make a killer who's fast, fair and probably is using a lunge you can dodge. "Make a good killer" gets way harder when it becomes "make a beloved killer."
The main issue I have with him is that a lot of Weskers will tunnel pretty often and the fact that his infection stays even after hook makes it super boring and there’s little counter play when you’re 8% slower.
My main issue with wesker isn’t really him, it’s the servers and their terrible desync, on top of that I have no choice but to play with higher ping because I’m from South Africa and the nearest servers are Europe and Brazil so I always get 180+ ping. The amount of time this killer gets me with his power when he shouldn’t just makes it really unfun for me, and even ping aside it happens to my gf too and she’s in Portugal and so it just makes it not feel as rewarding because he gets hits/grabs with his power sometimes when he shouldn’t simply because the servers aren’t great. He’s a great design and I love the way he works, I just wish behaviour had better servers
Not to make this about Singularity, but I /really/ want to like him... IMO, two things could change and make him feel way better to play: 1) When you see a survivor on a camera (even if you don't see enough to slipstream) their aura should be revealed for like 2 seconds when you come out of the camera just to help you reorient. 2) Minor obstructions should let you fill up the slipstream bar at a slower rate - even if it's very slow like it is near a hook. Maybe that would make him too strong, but for me it's just... lowering the barrier of entry. IDK. I really want to like him. I was hype from the moment I saw his power.
the reason i hate wesker right now is because all i ever verse is facecamping weskers who tunnel people out at 5 gens, who barely use their power for anything else than mobility
I believe I saw a comment that said that its gonna get patched next update. Since its not even supposed to work like that, they had entirely different animations about these situations.
I think for me its because since he has returned to the game he has had some weird ass hitbox hits on many players and they feel robbed. If I see his whole body fly past me and then half a second later I am teleported into his arms and slammed its just a shitty feeling overall.
Wesker feels awful to get chased by because his infection builds up in chase and persists through hook states, once his infection fully charges, you're dead no matter what, it feels like what I imagine old legion felt like
The problem with Wesker is the playstyle almost all of them employ. 80% of them beeline straight back to hook after an unhook and tunnel until they either down the unhooked person, or until their infection reaches max and you’re all but guaranteed to go down. It feels awful to play against and infection should work like other killer mechanics. Why does it not pause like pigs traps while in chase? Why does infection not remove upon being hooked like singularity?
bro i've been hating wesker since launch because for 3 months i was the only goddamn killer that didn't main him, 9/10 survivor matches were wesker for those 3 months and at this point i have experienced every possible niche scenario you can with him i've 100%'d wesker and never have fun as or against him because of it
I've never really liked Wesker, but I always thought it was just me. The reason I don't like wesker though, has moreso to do with the people playing him than the actual killer. I will usually get tunneled in a way where I can never get to a spray can. So I will always be injured or fully infected (which is basically exposed). Which Scott actually mentions at 3:08
I noticed they shadow buffed him before I used to vault a window and when he would go to vault it he would get cucked now I notice myself getting vacuumed back into his tentacle even tho my whole bodies already over the window
nah ive hated him from the beginning. just a stupid character from a stupid franchise. ive stopped playing survivor altogether since his release because of him
I'd also add a point on why Wesker and Singularity to an extent are fun, mobility. I love Clown and Hag, but trying to walk across a huge map or rely on a trap web doesn't always feel good or optimal. Wesker's dash, particularly with its vault, similarly to Nurse feels good almost anywhere.
This isn't a Wesker problem. It's a Dead by Daylight problem. There simply aren't enough killers that are fun from an objective stand point. The only way they could fix this is by adding more fun killers (which they should do) or they nerf him by a ton (which they shouldn't)
I agree but they should definitely adjust his collision hitbox to match his grab hitbox so he can't grab you through corners or hug tech. Not really a nerf, more of a bug fix.
@@xc809 Not trying to sound rude but the majority of the community just suck at playing the game. You notice how most the Killers that Survivors have “fun” against are the weak ones Myers, Pig, Sadako etc.
Good for you to find going against Wesker to be a fun time, I find playing against him is absolutly miserable, it's the opposite of fun. He ignores pallets, he ignores windows, he ignores running away, his slow down for taking his power is insignificant, he has free slow-down and free stealth because you're constantly in his TR. If you enjoy going against tombstone Myers, good for you, but don't blame people for not liking boring killers to play against. Also, how to fix Wesker: longer cool-down to retract tentacle, remove infection (he already has movement, slow-down isn't needed at all). I've started DC-ing against him now, and my casual friend stopped playing the game because of that killer, he also has 0 fun going against him and it's all we're getting as opponents.
Nothing like being grabbed around walls due to the classic hi-ping weska, nothing like being hit by uwuboros as you’re dropping the pallet, being grabbed and the pallet being dropped anyway… nothing like the built in tunnel feature of infection, I could go on. Fun killer to play tho
The overexposure was the same reason I hated seeing crack billies every game back in 2018-2019. Now I see a billy and I say “thank god it’s not another Wesker” LOL
I noticed my friends don't like to play against him either, however they aren't very skilled at the game, hold w, and don't look behind them much. They don't interact with mind gaming his power or anything so they thinks he's just an oppressive killer with little counterplay. I don't want to call out everyone who hates him but I wonder if it's skill issue.
@larsliamvilhelmthat's just feature creep, and those other killers shouldn't be the standard at all, like half of them suck terribly. Like you really about to sit here and explain how pig or legion is well designed
I don't hate Wesker, I hate the Rebecca who led him directly to me, TWICE, when I had the last gen literally ten seconds away from being completed. An easy three man escape became a 4k.
I don't enjoy playing as or against wesker because of his janky collision. That's really the long and short of it, it's frustrating to get robbed at a corner with a random invisible wall sticking out or have the wesker chasing you slide off 3 rocks and throw you into a volcano. That and I never found him that fun to go against in the first place, he's just mid
I'd say infection not progressing isn't enough, and I would even remove the Killer Instinct if the person hasn't done a conspicuous action after being hooked. All too often Weskers end up tunneling the teammate who uses the spray shortly after hook because either A: The Wesker doesn't know where anyone else is, or B: The Wesker is intentionally tunneling the baby soloq teammate. Killer Instinct on spray encourages tunneling too much, when they are making progress against camping and tunneling everywhere else in the game.
weskers's hitboxes are abysmal. Being pulled back while 3/4 of vaulting is most miserable experience in this game. People complain about mending vs Legion while wesker is spraying simulator After mending because wesker will tunnel someone instantly. Baby Blight can't do mad flicks 1st game but wesker can dash and apply passive showdown no problem.
The main reasons why people dislike Wesker are from what I experienced: A: Wacky hitboxes B: Tryhard behaviour (extensive camping and tunneling) Yes, these issues are not Wesker exclusive but the overexposure gives people who experienced this too often a grudge against the killer himself. (The only thing I complain about is getting fully infected for lasting long in chase and being hindered majorly for something I could not nothing against, but that's not something common I see complained about)
As a survivor main I enjoy playing against Wesker, as well as Blight which I know is uncommon for most. But it’s because they’re generally fun in chase and you can counter them simply. I think the big problem though is that you have these killers with crazy good addons or very strong abilities and as survivor we are losing most our best perks left and right. Next they’re nerfing BNP and Prove Thyself for example. With self heals taking so long and half the killers running sloppy butcher, no incentive to run boons because they’re just not worth the perk slots now, staying injured being the strong survivor meta it just becomes a grind for us. * EDIT * His hit box is most certainly NOT fine. His power while counterable, does have a very bad exploit that can be utilized after just a few hours playing Wesker. It gives him the ability to basically slingshot around objects with his dash when they should ordinarily stop him.
My personal problem with Wesker is i verse him way too much, yes. But that isnt really bothering me. What bothers me more is of how overtuned he is and especially how buggy he is. If he can slam me from a vault while i fall down from said vault because i teleported to him i personally think that is so buggy its unfun. Or when he slams me against something that isnt even there, like a tree with a hitbox of a fucking Van. What Wesker needs is a consistancy of what is a slap or a slam! i just cant stand getting slammed from the other side of the vault. That what makes the killer so unfun for me, otherwise im okay versing Wesker, and i am normally glad to see him but DAYUM vsing him 5 times in a row is just so tiring. there are other fun simple killers like dredge, demo or even Nemesis that i personally love to play as/against. But yeah, Wesker really is suffering from sucess. xD
As what Killer the player on that side is playing is locked in before the pre-game lobby is even loaded an extra layer of matchmaking could be added where the game tracks the past three Killers each Survivor played against and then matchmaking tries to match the majority of the Survivors up against a Killer they have not played against recently. It'd be impossible for the devs to code of course, so would never happen, but is a nice idea on paper.
I decided to make wesker my main killer during the 7th year event and the amount of people that flamed me for playing wesker was the most I’ve ever experienced than any other killer on the current roster. Pretty sure I didn’t get flamed as much for playing twins and snooze merchant for the tome challenges.
People seem pretty okay with Twins in my experience. I think I've only ever received positive feedback playing as them. Do you find that they are disliked, or have a bad reputation?
Definitely agree, I've played him like once or twice but I just realised the other day he's my favourite killer to verse - trying to loop him with his monumental chase music blaring is so much fun
Yessss I agree, I think I mentioned this in a twitter post but they need to incentivise people to play lesser picked killers like etc BP or even shards. Given the repetitive of the game itself (complete gens and then leave), it’s nice to go against different killers instead of the same killer 10 times in a row (I’m obv exaggerating but ygm).
@@user-yq4wo5dc1jThat won't happen til' Behaviour buffs the rest of the killers into the same range of oppressive power range and map control that Spirit, Nurse and Blight have at their respective basekits. The issue is that Behaviour doesn't understand that a killer like Trapper needs more than just the general basekit changes that got introduced with the 6.1.0 patch for being able to keep up with for example Blight - hence why we see less Trappers and literally any M1 oriented killers at average.
I've always thought of a concept to fix the issue of overexposure and it'd be a simple 5 match pool where if you get a killer twice it adjusts Matchmaking to block you facing that killer again depending on how many matches it been since you last faced it (of course after 5-10 minutes that limit is removed to help find matches). The best way to explain it is something like this. You have played three matches and you had Wesker for the first and third now you're gurranteed to not see wesker for 3 matches. A visual for the idea would be like. -Wesker -Bubba -Wesker -Oni -Legion And then after the next match lets say Artist it'd look like this meaning that Wesker is back on the menu. -Bubba -Wesker -Oni -Legion -Artist I hope that makes some sense but I do believe this should be a toggle then a forced thing because yeah I love facing certain killers over and over. As for the topic of the video its alot like my opinion on Wraith I love the killer and think bugs and all he's fun to face but like most killers there'll always be those people play toxic and those matches stick more then the fun matches for most people which ruins the reputation of the overall killer. great video Scott
My biggest issues with wesker aren't his popularity but the number of things he gets for free. Namely, infection shouldnt be able to progress for 30 or so seconds after being unhooked or until a conspicuous action is performed during that period of time, and he should only get killer instinct when a survivor cleanses themselves when fully infected in my opinion
Wesker is fun to play but we see him constantly and his hitboxes are atrocious. I went against him the other day and had vaulted a window and was well away from it and he still got the grab from inside the killer shack.
@@ScottJundno he means something else. He and most of the community hates the window grabs or pallet grabs which don't occur due to latency. It's due to shitty bigass hitbox survivors got on their asses instead of normal looking hitbox like in other games.
I just like him for the reason I like Blight, not because of strength but because of how fast he moves in power it feels less of an anti loop and more of anti shift W More designs that aren’t just killer uses power survivor is forced to leave loop would be great
As a Wesker main, I appreciate Scott keeping the video within 7 minutes, since that’s all the time I can spare to watch this
I didn't watch the last 12 seconds as I couldn't spare that time to watch anymore.
@@mrdardon3463 Ah yes, a true Wesker main, not an extra second to spare
lol😂😂
underrated coment. cheffs kiss
@larsliamvilhelm
I usually don't call anything cringe but you're really gunning for it.
Scott: "It's the overexposure to Wesker that's making people not enjoy going against him. So how do you fix that? Make him less fun so people don't want to play him more? No--"
Someone at BHVR: "Guys! I know how to fix the game's Wesker problem!!"
Introducing: The Worm Merchant
The worst part is that's probably what they'll do. They're so nerf happy it's baffling
@@cryguy0000what could you do to nerf him though? His kit is so perfectly balanced that any nerf would still make him fun to play
Isn't that literally what they did with Hillbilly back in his prime? Everyone was playing him and they gave him a complete add-on rework and the overheat mechanic
And boom, nobody plays Hillbilly
@@Yoshiinite tbf billy was also considered to be high A or low S tier back then. Nerfing billy back then would be the equivalent of nerfing blight today, except blight's base kit is substantially better, so he wouldn't suffer from an add-on nerf that much.
Dbd community proving to me that half the killer roster is hated no matter what
Still boggles me that people hate clown
@@yunero6132 What? Clown is boring as hell. you get to a loop survivor is forced to Pre drop because of the bottles and now you play the Vaulting game with the pallet.
He disables loops so survivors are just forced into playing safe and its boring.
Half of them is anti-loop, the other half is like the top killers
@@yunero6132 yey predropping every pallet and not being able to see anything during chase, many fun
I’ve heard people say that Billy, Huntress, Demo, Oni, Wesker, Singularity, etc are boring there’s just no pleasing people
The only thing I dislike about wesker is when I vault pallet or window, he uses his power and like I am on the other side of loop and because he dashed I am getting teleported back and grabbed. EVERY SINGLE TIME.
that is at least fixed next patch
What i dislike is the Infection progression not stopping when you're being chased, they really need to give that the Pig trap treatment, where it pauses if the killer is chasing
It's literally so bad, getting unhooked and Wesker chasing to tunnel and have that thing not stop, terrible design in that part.
Hot take, you didn't actually make the vault by seconds and because his wack animation for vaults is currently non-existent (except for endurance hits), it looks like he got a hit that he shouldn't have.
@@sam7259considering you can grabbed from the other side of the window when you didn’t vault it’s not that you didn’t me make it. It’s that his grab hit box goes through walls.
@@Idontknowwhat2type if your feet landed, sure. If not, any killer can get hits like that with ping in the equation. Demogorgon shred lands those same hits you describe frequently.
Wesker in game is the exact definition of "Simple yet effective" and outside of it is the exact definition of "It's weskin' time."
The thing about Weskers hitbox as well is the fact that he pulls you to his position, unlike other killers such as huntress or demogorgon. This makes hit seem way worse than they really are, while it is no different than any other killer who gets an awkward hit because of latency.
The hit box is awful, when you get grabbed after a 85% jump feels like you've been had. When he holds power and hits you 5m from your mod its gross (console btw)
Exactly this, he has ability throw you to really uncomfortable places and that makes it annoying, bcs sometimes you’re fucked up.
Not even, yeah it feels awful, and I also get grabbed around corners by wesker
Cry more
Also, there needs to be an animation change for when Wesker catches you at a window instead of just resetting you back. What should actually happen is you get downed/injured but on the other side of the window. It's too jarring otherwise and just breaks the flow
I think it's also to due with the fact that his virulent bound logic is really janky when it comes to hitting survivors at window vaults. During his first release, I remember when you got hit at a vault when he was bounding at you, and you were halfway through the vault, he just slapped you with his tentacle and you finished the vault. Nowadays, I will literally see my character's model hit the ground on the other side of the window vault, and Wesker will just pull me to the other side, as if the vault didn't happen, slam me, and force me to vault the window again.
This also happens at pallets, where you drop the pallet on the other side of Wesker, he grabs you, pulls you to other side, and slams you against the pallet.....that you just dropped...
If they had the tentacle-slap animation play in these instances, instead of these weird grabs, I would be more okay with Wesker.
The fixed that in Nicolas cages ptb, he tentacle slaps you on vaults now again
Also more jank after one of the latest updates to where he grabs a survivor from behind another survivor and slams them into the supposed protector. Making it even more fun to play as him since it's easier to get kills.
Like normal hits, the bound hits can and are supposed to hit through pallets. If you drop it late and get hit that's your own problem. The issue is the grab part, like the window logic, they are supposed to slap as you are locked in animation, not grab, but they do anyway. Although most people seem to think that it's impossible to get hit during the pallet drop animation and they boil it down to a Wesker problem. The only issue I see with getting grabbed instead of slapped when dropping a pallet is losing the momentum and an extra half-second or so of speed boost. Getting grabbed and put onto his shoulder does nothing but save him 5.34 seconds, assuming he breaks the pallet, which is pretty much insignificant.
This is where I'm at. I liked him but he's been broken for months now
ive watched a survivor vault a window for the 3rd time, i pull them back and now they're on the other side with the entity blocker. that was ridiculous
I think Wesker is the pure definition of "Suffering From Success"
this comment reminded me about this 0:25
Whoever needs to see this, don't let people dictate your picks. Your opponents whether killer or survivor will be mad no matter what you run.
Cringe post of the year
@@loneone559Talking about yourself?
Well i for one don't get mad about killer variety, didn't you see how celebrated Wesker's Killswitch was last month? Lmao
@@loneone559calm down Karen.
@@Yoshiinite just imagine how many times you played whatever-side using some mid-tier perks and add-ons and still managed to get called a slur in endgame chat. People just be salty on this game and you can't cater to everyone.
I really like playing Wesker and even versing him. I just get really frustrated when I A get too many Weskers or B die because I was able to loop him long enough to die due to his infection which also feels kinda bad. Other than that he is definitely a great Killer
Running a Wesker until infection kicks in, starting from 0 charges to the 100 charges it takes is a minute and 40 second chase (without infection rate add-ons) if he still hasn't downed you by the time it kicks in, which at that point that's so much time he's spent going after you that it's been nothing but a detriment to him in the long run so I disagree with you on your second point for that. It only really sucks when you do that and your team isn't competent enough to do gens in the meantime.
@@xbruhmomentx4869 It still kinda feels shit to get hit because of that -8%. Infection shouldn't go up or at least should go up much slower in chase. Like 50% slower.
@@agentf672-8%!? I need to play more Wesker! Getting sick of the made for this/resilience combo.
this
@@agentf672nah, Wesker is absolutely balanced.
I don't hate Wesker, i only hate seeing him all the goddamn time, every single match
Man that sucks
@@M4ysFu I know right? It's so bad that whenever i get non-Wesker killers i sigh of relief lol
Like i get so hyped when i see Twins, Hag or Bubba, Twins I've seen like once in all of this year so far, Hag i have seen a couple times. Bubba is the more common of the three
But oh my god, this is so bad, I'd gladly eat a 5 minute queue wait if they bring the killer repeat prevention feature, honestly
Play killer sometime :)
@@onnxyeah i play killer a lot and i play every killer, I'm not glued to just Wesker lol
@@YoshiinitePlaying Twins huuuurts right now.
Wesker’s music is also a huge factor to why I love playing him, it makes the chase so much more intense than any other chase theme and makes it feel like an event, couple that with an amazing power and voice lines, I never wanna stop playing this man
My guy how on Earth do you not get triggered hearing the SAME 10 second loop of music over and over every damn game for a year? 😂 that's my biggest gripe with overexposed killers... Gameplay wise I love Wesker but God damn that FN' music 😡
@@boringmonkey6958Cuz it’s intense and fits the mood of a chase against a man who can cover 50 steps in two seconds
Plus it fits better as a 10 second loop than most other killers imo because most of the music is too mellow and low to be intense for me, Wesker’s and Nemesis’s are just perfect to me
@@DwayneTheSquidJohnson I love everything about Nemesis. Punch, music, tentacle, they're all amazing.
I don't hate Wesker, he can be really hilarious. Like when he goes for his charge and you dodge at the last second and he vaults! This shit never fails to make me cry laughing.
Nothing make me cry in game after missing the gear and vaulting out the window down to the second floor. Funny and sad. A roller coaster of emotions in a second.
@@wargutz7291 Did you see the clip where someone used the new nick cage perk to down themselves as a wesker goes to dash, and the wesker vaults down to floor one on midwich? Had be dying for like 5 minutes
@logandaugherty492 no i didn't, totes something 8 would see actual nick cage doing lol
All fun and games until you do that and after Wesker misses you and vaults the window, you get teleported to the other side of the window and slammed against that said window from the other side... Still lots of bugs which can sometimes be hilarious, but most often that not are just frustrating
@@logandaugherty492 that's Scott's clip! That hurt just as bad 😭 😂
the only problem i have with wesker is that in my experience 4/5 weskers will tunnel you off the hook as soon as you come off it
Infection shouldn't increase for 30 seconds after an unhook. Easy fix.
@@sabre3001 imo infection should just remove on hook
Cause it works
Don’t blame the killer blame the player
Yep. Every Wesker I run into, they tunnel you off hook because you're going to be infected soon enough, and are easy prey.
I personally also dislike playing against wesker. Part of that is the amount of super sweaty weskers i've faced and part of it has to do it with getting grabbed through pallets, windows or from around corners paired with the amazing tunneling potential wesker has when someone is infected (which many weskers that ive faced used).
The whole dashing part of his kit is fine its just the amount of times that youre 90% done with the vault and then get grabbed back by the wesker or the wesker just decides to tunnel of hook bc youre infected. TLDR the hitboxes are jank and the infection when coming off hook is a pain in the ass.
I hate playing against wesker for these reasons.
1. Not being able to get to another loop on time. When I'm playing against wesker and get trash rng its a pain, when your forced to go to another loop, more often then not the wesker might just get a free hit because either the loop your forced to run to is not viable and unsafe or he can close the distance quickly and you might not get anywhere in time.
2. I don't like repeating what others have said so I'll make it quick, I'm tired of getting pulled back on the other side even though it's pretty clear that the vault animation is pretty much finished or should be finished.
3. The fucking infection. By wesker having his infection needing to be cleansed it indirectly encourages tunneling just for the fact that it gives away location and its the same problem I have with nemesis, I don't like trying to heal up and recover only for my location to be revealed because I don't wanna be downed in one hit. If the wesker player can't find anybody and has nothing better to do and he noticies you cleansed your infection why would he not go after you again, he only benefits from it.
I'd say one of the annoying things with wesker is his terror radius. I got him 6+ times in a row the other day, and because his radius is so massive, that's 6 games where you have it playing on loop with almost no break.
Biggest problem with Wesker is that most tunnel the shit out of you after unhook if you are infected, because it's so easy to do - to what Scott also gave criticism about
The hitbox on windows and pallets etc, which will be fixed, but lastly also the lunge hitbox on m1 often feels like it shouldn't reach, but it does, so even if it felt like you could do one more loop before dropping the pallet, it feels bad to get hit there, when Wesker is on not too bad of a ping...
m1 hitbox is for very simple reasoning, that being that all killers have the same hitbox there.
pyramidhead feels like hits should connect when they dont, meanwhile something like wesker of freddy be having that extendo arm
I had a game like two days ago against wesker, where I dropped a pallet in the office on Lérys, waited for a second to see if wesker would use his power to vault it, then watched in disbelief as he used his power and I got teleported to the opposite side of the pallet and got injured. Just gave up the chase at that point.
My main issue with Wesker for a while now is his hitbox. I can't even begin to explain how many times I've been grabbed a ridiculous distance around a corner or through a window and the window one is more annoying. People say it would hit and injure/down anyway, yeah sure, but it's annoying in chase to have feet on the ground running away, the Wesker grabs you and pulls you through the window, losing a window vault and near all your distance from the hit too. I feel this issue just goes ignored and the devs don't even seem to want to fix the window stuff.
have you read the recent ptb patch notes? wesker window grab will turn into a normal hit instead
They're going to fix the window grabs in the Nicholas Cage patch I'm pretty sure, with the hitboxes though, it usually comes down to ping and/or what the killer sees in comparison to what you may see. But I will agree on the fact that there are for sure numerous times where some hits shouldn't land
It feels the opposite when u play him as killer. You find yourself missing attacks that seem like they should hit, and if u miss its by an actual hair.
@lem0n865 I quit playing the game so no, but regardless it went months and months with not a word.
Hitboxes in general has been complete wack
He's also one of the most iconic characters in video gaming, and quite honestly the best looking male killer in the entire roster without being blatantly over sexualized, with loads of style and fun quotes.
So you’re telling me Wesker has finally achieved “TOTAL GLOBAL SATURATION”?
I wish I ran into Wesker as often as people seem to complain about him! Those are rare matches for me!
Try playing on the NA West Coast servers then, or as the dbd players there like to call it, the Wesk Coast.
That's because 7 minutes is all they can spare to play with you.
I've been keeping track of what killers I get over the past 3 weeks. I played an average of 6-8 hours of DBD per week and in that span of time, I faced 39 Weskers. My next highest killer count was 12. I wish I had your problem. lol
I’ve always hated him honestly, between the janky hitboxes and his infection mechanic encouraging tunneling, I’ve never really enjoyed facing him. And the fact that he’s so overplayed is the icing on the cake
I wouldn't mind Wesker if his virulent bound hit boxes were fixed. I'm sick of getting grabbed through solid walls, from opposite sides of tiles, over downed pallets or even from separate floors (RPD)
I'd never hate Mastermind. Literally a beautiful person.
The only issue I have with Wesker is his Hindered when fully infected. I think BHVR has been spamming Hindered and Haste way too much lately, and I think it's really, really lazy and problematic. Hindered is something that should be taken lightly or completely designed around. Clown's chase power is designed around Hindering them. Wesker's is designed around bounding at them, not Hindering them. He should not get both.
It's even worse how the infection doesn't even stop in chase, like you get unhooked and Wesker goes after you immediately to tunnel, you're just screwed because you can't even grab a spray can and that shit infection never stops.
It's so ass, i wish they'd give it the Pig trap treatment.
Maybe disinfect
@@theagaming7410 Ah yes I will disinfect mid chase against a tunneling Wesker
@@Yoshiiniteust disinfect mid chase bro (I'm being sarcastic)
@@KarlDelaney99 i know right? Lmao just disinfect, it's so easy
But really, if the infection progression doesn't pause during a chase, then might as well turn the sprays into an insta-cure syringe or something instead of a slow ass spray can to counter tunneling Weskers 😭
I don't think it's an overexposure thing entirely. I think the main problem lies in that he's a high-tier killer that can traverse the map easily, has great anti-loop, can vault god windows and pallets, hit multiple survivors at once, can displace survivors and that remains 115% speed with additional tasks that must be performed ASAP otherwise you'll be rendered a slow, instadownable sitting duck. And even if you successfully complete these tasks, there's a chance he just saw your exact location and he's heading straight towards you right away. Curing the infection has to be streamlined because it's miserable and overwhelming from a casual perspective on top of everything Wesker already has.
I think you're just bad. 😅 Genuinely, no offense, but I've faced nonstop Wesker's and it's given me better insight into counter-play. I think you just either main survivor or don't have so many hours, because I'll hear silly solutions by newbies all the time.
"Wraith should have limited cloaks."
"Trapper's traps should be sabotaged faster."
"Nemesis is too OP with tentacle."
"Huntress should have less hatchets."
"It should take longer for Oni to gather orbs."
Some people are just asking for free wins.
Please keep in mind Wesker's 2 dashes go about 21~ meters combined. Base time to recharge is 6 seconds per bound, with a -0.5 sec per charge buff for each infected survivor.
One Blight Rush is 27.6 meters, and he has 5 of those basekit, and takes 2 seconds to get each token back, so 10 secs + 2.5-3 sec fatigue is 12.5-13 secs of downtime.
I think you might have a skewed sense of Wesker's map traversal ability.
@@KingBurger52 just focus on the ovrerall point i made about the infection being unfun to deal with on a killer with a kit like weskers. calling me bad and a survivor main and listing a bunch of stupid things people have said isn't going to change my perspective and is just asinine.
@@dylanu1384 yeah, but that's blight. compare wesker to pretty much everyone below him and he has much better and more practical map traversal.
i actually enjoy facing blight significantly more than wesker too.
@@Headspr0uter Here's another comparison of a lower tier killer than Wesker.
Bubba: 5.29 m/s x 6 (3 charges x 2 secs each) = 31.74m with a 4.5 second fatigue, & 12 second cooldown for 3 charges.
Is Bubba's map control too strong also?
Hate his big ass terror radius especially a distressing Wesker you're just constantly hearing your heartbeat
My own baseless theory about it is Wesker just attracts a certain crowd of more competitive people who pick high skill ceiling characters and play harder than most to win -- think sweaty blights -- but where it goes differently for Wesker is his power is balanced enough so those players will still resort to more annoying M1 killer strategies like tunneling because they can't keep coasting along on his power alone.
This is pretty much it. When you find a Wesker player that's actually kissed a girl, it's awesome.
Nah I just think wesker attracts more casual players that don't care about if they camp or tunnel all game because he's an easily recognizable character and has a power that actually fits him unlike nemesis
I don't think the sweaty blights that bring adrenaline vial, compound 33 ec are gonna downgrade from a top 2 character
Saying anything in DBD is 'well designed' is a crackpot theory.
His hit being so broken is the main reason people hate him. I've gone around coners and he still hits me with his dash attack.
that is just latency. the same thing would happen with huntress, deathslinger, billy saw, trickster knives, corrupt purge, anything.
@@ScottJund it never does
@@chemistrymike Then those killers that scott mentioned just didn't have high enough ping. It's literally a latency issue that is not related to wesker at all.
This is my calling to play dbd again for the first time in years and que as Demo and Billy to spread the gospel of variety lol
If every killer was as fun to play as and against as wesker, then there wouldn’t be so much of him. It’s behaviors issue with designing boring killers not wesker himself
(big rant incoming) hot take: I don't really like playing as wesker because his power feels too simple and passive to use (excluding techs but I'll get to that)
with dredge you can build up nightfall by hitting survivors, using your power, keeping them injured, hooking survivors making an interesting way to play where you can choose to use your power normally or sacrifice it temporarily to build up nightfall or drop chase with an injured survivor to injure a healthy one making nightfall come faster it's not super impactful especially against good survivors with map knowledge but it is fun to try to manage your nightfall, with wesker you just use your power that you would use anyways to hit a survivor like you would do anyways to infect them and there's nothing else you can do to speed up their infection or anything to think about like who you should focus on infecting first/faster than other survivors
compared to huntress, deathslinger, oni, billy, trapper, hag his power doesn't feel rewarding to hit with a trapper it feels amazing to have that annoying survivor step into a trap infront of you, with a billy that cross map saw feels as if you could 1v1 god and win, with wesker you just grab them and move on sure you could get a hit after a rebound but it doesn't feel like you did anything special you literally just stand in a place and look in a direction then the game does it for you
I am probably just bad at wesker which is why I don't like him but at the same time I have no motivation to want to learn him as his only strategies to learn are just techs which in my opinion is boring since there is no sense of getting better at the killer gradually instead you just learn a tech, know when to use it and then implement it giving you a spike of feeling as if you've learned something that wares off after the 5th time you do it
but at the end of the day I'm just a dopamine junkie who likes flashy and strategically intensive things as well as micromanaging what I'm doing which at least from my point of view wesker doesn't have, I'm open to changing my mind on this and if someone would like to try to suggest something I'll be happy to hear it and try it out myself but at least for the time being wesker will be one of my least played killers only being beaten out by nurse and trapper
Wesker try not to tunnel challenge(impossible edition)
Seriously tho, like the second you unhook he 180s and beelines for the hook and yeah it’s basically every wesker
This, he like 180's his head. Like sure, sometimes people do unsafe unhooks while he's still in the area, but I have seen Wesker's drop chase on the opposite side of the map to go for the person who had just been unhooked or in rare cases, the player who did the unhooking.... 😅
Had a tunneling ttv wesker get me out of the game at 4 gens yesterday because of this. He even had his mods spamming messages in chat to practice the game and get better if said streamer tunneled you out. Like seriously? This guy is a p100 wesker and he thinks he's good because he can tunnel you out right off hook while infected lmao You literally have no time to heal let alone cleanse if a wesker chooses to tunnel you.
@@shawnmclaren8924 I had a VPN Wesker hard tunnel me at 5 gens, no sooner had I loaded into the match trying to get my bearings on where I was he was on top of me. I couldn't run or loop him, just down in two minutes flat. Everytime I tried to get away from him, he was on top of me. Like he either had really good map sense or he was hacking, (he didn't have lethal or infectious) he just *knew* where I was. >.>
Played 4 Weskers last night and all of them did exactly this. It’s extremely boring when you face him every other match. His infection mechanics need to be changed to prevent braindead gameplay like this.
If infection didn’t build on hook that would be fixed
Besides the fact tunneling is a little easier on him he is so much fun to play against.
No
holy COPIUM
@@НикитаМишенин-э9ы you dont know what that word means. stop using it
@@lungzsno he's right, your just ass and can't play against wesker. If i want to tunnel I'll play make your choice deathslinger, no escape there, hell I'll play sadako because no body blocks, wesker is not the easiest killer to tunnel with, you just cant loop against him because you are inadequate, thats a skill issue, that's coping.
Back to playing wesker until they nerf him to keep bitches like you happy.
Agreed he is fun to play as and against. His not OP, his no not weak, not annoying, just perfect.
my 2 cents since wesker seems to be suddenly hated. I've never really liked going against him because for me, he is part of those coin toss killers that have powers which at first seems interactive but all it takes is the killer to play correctly for you to have not so much to do. To kinda explain, I feel exactly the same towards huntress. You can deny her power but at some point she will be able to use it, and the only thing you can do now is pray because most hatchet plays are within a distance that is simply not dodgeable (or coim toss as I said). It's similar with Wesker where you either deny his power or there is simply nothing you can do about it. His only redeeming factor, which makes him more bearable than other killers to me, is the fact that he is 115% so if you deny his power he can still loop normally and you as a survivor get to use your looping skills as well
6:06 I disagree with Wesker's hitbox being "completely fine". Every single Wesker I encounter, the same exact thing happens: He starts using his M2 > I juke it > I get grabbed anyway. There's nothing I can do but hope Wesker misses me by a large margin so I don't get magneto grabbed, which is essentially Nurse gameplay ("hoping that the Killer messes up else you get hit") and it's so boring. And people who play Wesker love nodding for some reason, so after getting unfairly downed they start aggressively nodding every time, as if I didn't just get robbed.
And yes, I always check the Killer's ping, and it doesn't seem to matter if the Wesker player has a red ping or not.
I genuinely think implementing bonus BP incentives for the least played Killers each patch would help ease people off Wesker and reward and encourage the people that like playing the more niche killers. Obviously, Killers like Freddy and Twins will always have the incentive on since there's virtually nothing to like about them on either side aside from their lore, but who knows, people might actually start seeing Hillbilly and Pig played more than once every blue moon.
I'd say the only change he needs is basically just nerfing is ability to tunnel, like lower the infection you retain from an unhook to 35% from 50%, and like what Scott said, make it not progress until either the unhook timer fully decays, or preforming a conspicuous action, also possibly decreasing the full infection slowdown to 5% from 9%.
6:54 that 360 hit from Wesker was so clean lol
I was surprised when I found out my friends hate Wesker, but they said it's mostly because of his bugs.
Like how you get grabbed mid window vault, the janky hit boxes, desync, etc. Also, most importantly: Wesker is like one of the most played killers, and facing the same killer all the time could be boring.
I just hate how comically large and forgiving the hitbox is on his dash. That combined with how many killer players seemingly live on the moon with how bad their connections are, and just how many there are playing wesker, makes facing him kinda annoying lately. I'd rather him to A LOT of other killers though so like I'm not sad about getting one or anything.
Are you from Europe? Here in Europe half of the games have 🔪 📶
@@PacoReer that's a server issue. I normally play on 20-30 ping on the Frankfurt server, but recently my ping has been like 150-200.
There's also only so many times you can make a killer who's fast, fair and probably is using a lunge you can dodge. "Make a good killer" gets way harder when it becomes "make a beloved killer."
I just bought Weser and I frickin love him
I also noticed Weskers tend to BM overly proportional more than other killers (humping, hitting on hook repeatedly etc)
gigachad behaviour
Karma for every survivor that BM:s / have BM:ed at a daily rate before Wesker got introduced, maybe?
@@not_purgatory310 Ah, more us vs them BS.
@@not_purgatory310 try this comment again without making it into extremely corny us vs them bullshit pls
I wish ping wasn't a thing, so dodging his dash actually resulted in me not getting grabbed
You basically summed it up with one phrase, "He's strong and easy to play."
Basically every pubscrub Spirit/Wraith player we had a while ago moved on to play Wesker.
One day I had 4 out of my 6 games against wesker. I stopped playing for a week
Wesker is like Blight. It's fun to go against an average player, but a really good killer leaves you no chance.
His hit box has gotten so janky since release. Pretty simple concept on why he's hated rn
The main issue I have with him is that a lot of Weskers will tunnel pretty often and the fact that his infection stays even after hook makes it super boring and there’s little counter play when you’re 8% slower.
My main issue with wesker isn’t really him, it’s the servers and their terrible desync, on top of that I have no choice but to play with higher ping because I’m from South Africa and the nearest servers are Europe and Brazil so I always get 180+ ping. The amount of time this killer gets me with his power when he shouldn’t just makes it really unfun for me, and even ping aside it happens to my gf too and she’s in Portugal and so it just makes it not feel as rewarding because he gets hits/grabs with his power sometimes when he shouldn’t simply because the servers aren’t great. He’s a great design and I love the way he works, I just wish behaviour had better servers
Not to make this about Singularity, but I /really/ want to like him... IMO, two things could change and make him feel way better to play:
1) When you see a survivor on a camera (even if you don't see enough to slipstream) their aura should be revealed for like 2 seconds when you come out of the camera just to help you reorient.
2) Minor obstructions should let you fill up the slipstream bar at a slower rate - even if it's very slow like it is near a hook.
Maybe that would make him too strong, but for me it's just... lowering the barrier of entry. IDK. I really want to like him. I was hype from the moment I saw his power.
Wesker is broken, braindead and easy to tunnel with. The only other killer I hate to face more is Skull Merchant
“Everybody hates Wesker”
Me not caring and continuing to play him every single match
the reason i hate wesker right now is because all i ever verse is facecamping weskers who tunnel people out at 5 gens, who barely use their power for anything else than mobility
As long as he doesn’t grab me through window vaults anymore I’m happy
I believe I saw a comment that said that its gonna get patched next update. Since its not even supposed to work like that, they had entirely different animations about these situations.
I think for me its because since he has returned to the game he has had some weird ass hitbox hits on many players and they feel robbed. If I see his whole body fly past me and then half a second later I am teleported into his arms and slammed its just a shitty feeling overall.
Wesker feels awful to get chased by because his infection builds up in chase and persists through hook states, once his infection fully charges, you're dead no matter what, it feels like what I imagine old legion felt like
My only problem with him is how bugged his hitboxes have been since he got killswitched
The problem with Wesker is the playstyle almost all of them employ. 80% of them beeline straight back to hook after an unhook and tunnel until they either down the unhooked person, or until their infection reaches max and you’re all but guaranteed to go down. It feels awful to play against and infection should work like other killer mechanics. Why does it not pause like pigs traps while in chase? Why does infection not remove upon being hooked like singularity?
bro i've been hating wesker since launch because for 3 months i was the only goddamn killer that didn't main him, 9/10 survivor matches were wesker for those 3 months and at this point i have experienced every possible niche scenario you can with him
i've 100%'d wesker and never have fun as or against him because of it
I've never really liked Wesker, but I always thought it was just me.
The reason I don't like wesker though, has moreso to do with the people playing him than the actual killer. I will usually get tunneled in a way where I can never get to a spray can. So I will always be injured or fully infected (which is basically exposed). Which Scott actually mentions at 3:08
The only thing I get annoyed with playing against Wesker is the 8% speed slowdown. I understand why he has it but I just hate how slow I feel.
I noticed they shadow buffed him before I used to vault a window and when he would go to vault it he would get cucked now I notice myself getting vacuumed back into his tentacle even tho my whole bodies already over the window
the issue is he’s played too much. People don’t hate him, they hate how much they see him in games. It gets boring
The fact that the last few killers they released were all duds is a big reason for this.
That's why I main twins. Much better killer imo.
nah ive hated him from the beginning. just a stupid character from a stupid franchise. ive stopped playing survivor altogether since his release because of him
@@Nathan-xt6mpmaybe ur just bad?
@@Nathan-xt6mp Soooooo... Did Wesker kidnapped your family or something?
Scott just invented TF2 character formula
I'd also add a point on why Wesker and Singularity to an extent are fun, mobility. I love Clown and Hag, but trying to walk across a huge map or rely on a trap web doesn't always feel good or optimal. Wesker's dash, particularly with its vault, similarly to Nurse feels good almost anywhere.
Good Entity, would you look at the time?
It's weskin' time It's weskin' time
It's weskin' time It's weskin' time
It's weskin' time It's weskin' time
This isn't a Wesker problem. It's a Dead by Daylight problem. There simply aren't enough killers that are fun from an objective stand point. The only way they could fix this is by adding more fun killers (which they should do) or they nerf him by a ton (which they shouldn't)
And prioritizing a solution to tunneling ^^
I agree but they should definitely adjust his collision hitbox to match his grab hitbox so he can't grab you through corners or hug tech. Not really a nerf, more of a bug fix.
There’s plenty of “fun” Killers, people just don’t know how to use them.
@@RedCommunistDragonfun is subjective, you may consider plenty of them fun but clearly the majority doesn't
@@xc809 Not trying to sound rude but the majority of the community just suck at playing the game. You notice how most the Killers that Survivors have “fun” against are the weak ones Myers, Pig, Sadako etc.
I've experienced one too many of those dodgy window vacuum hits that I just want to DC each time I play against a Wesker.
i really enjoy going against him, i'm a bit sad we don't see singularity as much but wesker is actually fun to go against in my opinion
Singularity is only good on pc. Nightmare on console with not being being able to turn you camera that fast and get those angles
@@Izzy-nh9skI’m a console Singularity / Dredge main, and it’s not that bad lmfao
Getting chased is fun if you dont get slipstreamed every 5 seconds lol
@@HigherDarkness i don't even get the chance to play against him
@@HigherDarkness how did you make the @ on your name go away?
Good for you to find going against Wesker to be a fun time, I find playing against him is absolutly miserable, it's the opposite of fun.
He ignores pallets, he ignores windows, he ignores running away, his slow down for taking his power is insignificant, he has free slow-down and free stealth because you're constantly in his TR.
If you enjoy going against tombstone Myers, good for you, but don't blame people for not liking boring killers to play against.
Also, how to fix Wesker: longer cool-down to retract tentacle, remove infection (he already has movement, slow-down isn't needed at all).
I've started DC-ing against him now, and my casual friend stopped playing the game because of that killer, he also has 0 fun going against him and it's all we're getting as opponents.
Nothing like being grabbed around walls due to the classic hi-ping weska, nothing like being hit by uwuboros as you’re dropping the pallet, being grabbed and the pallet being dropped anyway… nothing like the built in tunnel feature of infection, I could go on. Fun killer to play tho
The overexposure was the same reason I hated seeing crack billies every game back in 2018-2019. Now I see a billy and I say “thank god it’s not another Wesker” LOL
I noticed my friends don't like to play against him either, however they aren't very skilled at the game, hold w, and don't look behind them much. They don't interact with mind gaming his power or anything so they thinks he's just an oppressive killer with little counterplay. I don't want to call out everyone who hates him but I wonder if it's skill issue.
It is really just down to pick rate honestly. He is picked so often that it is not uncommon to play DBD and only go against him. incredibly boring.
@larsliamvilhelmthat's just feature creep, and those other killers shouldn't be the standard at all, like half of them suck terribly. Like you really about to sit here and explain how pig or legion is well designed
I don't hate Wesker, I hate the Rebecca who led him directly to me, TWICE, when I had the last gen literally ten seconds away from being completed. An easy three man escape became a 4k.
I don't enjoy playing as or against wesker because of his janky collision. That's really the long and short of it, it's frustrating to get robbed at a corner with a random invisible wall sticking out or have the wesker chasing you slide off 3 rocks and throw you into a volcano. That and I never found him that fun to go against in the first place, he's just mid
I'd say infection not progressing isn't enough, and I would even remove the Killer Instinct if the person hasn't done a conspicuous action after being hooked. All too often Weskers end up tunneling the teammate who uses the spray shortly after hook because either A: The Wesker doesn't know where anyone else is, or B: The Wesker is intentionally tunneling the baby soloq teammate. Killer Instinct on spray encourages tunneling too much, when they are making progress against camping and tunneling everywhere else in the game.
weskers's hitboxes are abysmal. Being pulled back while 3/4 of vaulting is most miserable experience in this game. People complain about mending vs Legion while wesker is spraying simulator After mending because wesker will tunnel someone instantly. Baby Blight can't do mad flicks 1st game but wesker can dash and apply passive showdown no problem.
The main reasons why people dislike Wesker are from what I experienced:
A: Wacky hitboxes
B: Tryhard behaviour (extensive camping and tunneling)
Yes, these issues are not Wesker exclusive but the overexposure gives people who experienced this too often a grudge against the killer himself.
(The only thing I complain about is getting fully infected for lasting long in chase and being hindered majorly for something I could not nothing against, but that's not something common I see complained about)
I know this aint a popular opinion, but my favorite killer to play is the knight.
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As a survivor main I enjoy playing against Wesker, as well as Blight which I know is uncommon for most. But it’s because they’re generally fun in chase and you can counter them simply.
I think the big problem though is that you have these killers with crazy good addons or very strong abilities and as survivor we are losing most our best perks left and right. Next they’re nerfing BNP and Prove Thyself for example. With self heals taking so long and half the killers running sloppy butcher, no incentive to run boons because they’re just not worth the perk slots now, staying injured being the strong survivor meta it just becomes a grind for us.
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His hit box is most certainly NOT fine. His power while counterable, does have a very bad exploit that can be utilized after just a few hours playing Wesker. It gives him the ability to basically slingshot around objects with his dash when they should ordinarily stop him.
My personal problem with Wesker is i verse him way too much, yes. But that isnt really bothering me. What bothers me more is of how overtuned he is and especially how buggy he is. If he can slam me from a vault while i fall down from said vault because i teleported to him i personally think that is so buggy its unfun. Or when he slams me against something that isnt even there, like a tree with a hitbox of a fucking Van. What Wesker needs is a consistancy of what is a slap or a slam! i just cant stand getting slammed from the other side of the vault. That what makes the killer so unfun for me, otherwise im okay versing Wesker, and i am normally glad to see him but DAYUM vsing him 5 times in a row is just so tiring. there are other fun simple killers like dredge, demo or even Nemesis that i personally love to play as/against. But yeah, Wesker really is suffering from sucess. xD
We love you scott
As what Killer the player on that side is playing is locked in before the pre-game lobby is even loaded an extra layer of matchmaking could be added where the game tracks the past three Killers each Survivor played against and then matchmaking tries to match the majority of the Survivors up against a Killer they have not played against recently. It'd be impossible for the devs to code of course, so would never happen, but is a nice idea on paper.
every wesker i went against has a heart of coal
BHVR tier hitbox jank, playing against him half my games, honestly dont understand how his design could be fun from either side
I decided to make wesker my main killer during the 7th year event and the amount of people that flamed me for playing wesker was the most I’ve ever experienced than any other killer on the current roster. Pretty sure I didn’t get flamed as much for playing twins and snooze merchant for the tome challenges.
People seem pretty okay with Twins in my experience. I think I've only ever received positive feedback playing as them.
Do you find that they are disliked, or have a bad reputation?
@@jeffreymonsell659 I feel like twins have a bad rep, are they the best.. no. But do I think they’re the most hated, also no.
Definitely agree, I've played him like once or twice but I just realised the other day he's my favourite killer to verse - trying to loop him with his monumental chase music blaring is so much fun
They should definitely add extra killer incentives based on the killer not being played much. Like, hag, twins, trickster etc
Yessss I agree, I think I mentioned this in a twitter post but they need to incentivise people to play lesser picked killers like etc BP or even shards. Given the repetitive of the game itself (complete gens and then leave), it’s nice to go against different killers instead of the same killer 10 times in a row (I’m obv exaggerating but ygm).
@user-yq4wo5dc1j Or some sort of challenges. Something like get x amount of kills with hag and recieve this skin, weapon, etc.
@@user-yq4wo5dc1j maybe if most killers were good to use they would be picked more
@@user-yq4wo5dc1jThat won't happen til' Behaviour buffs the rest of the killers into the same range of oppressive power range and map control that Spirit, Nurse and Blight have at their respective basekits.
The issue is that Behaviour doesn't understand that a killer like Trapper needs more than just the general basekit changes that got introduced with the 6.1.0 patch for being able to keep up with for example Blight - hence why we see less Trappers and literally any M1 oriented killers at average.
All those killers are awful to go against so no
For me it’s not that he is too popular, it’s because his hit box doesn’t work half the time.
when you get 4 weskers in a row and he has no cool down and lets not talk about hits boxes
I've always thought of a concept to fix the issue of overexposure and it'd be a simple 5 match pool where if you get a killer twice it adjusts Matchmaking to block you facing that killer again depending on how many matches it been since you last faced it (of course after 5-10 minutes that limit is removed to help find matches).
The best way to explain it is something like this. You have played three matches and you had Wesker for the first and third now you're gurranteed to not see wesker for 3 matches.
A visual for the idea would be like.
-Wesker
-Bubba
-Wesker
-Oni
-Legion
And then after the next match lets say Artist it'd look like this meaning that Wesker is back on the menu.
-Bubba
-Wesker
-Oni
-Legion
-Artist
I hope that makes some sense but I do believe this should be a toggle then a forced thing because yeah I love facing certain killers over and over.
As for the topic of the video its alot like my opinion on Wraith I love the killer and think bugs and all he's fun to face but like most killers there'll always be those people play toxic and those matches stick more then the fun matches for most people which ruins the reputation of the overall killer.
great video Scott
My biggest issues with wesker aren't his popularity but the number of things he gets for free. Namely, infection shouldnt be able to progress for 30 or so seconds after being unhooked or until a conspicuous action is performed during that period of time, and he should only get killer instinct when a survivor cleanses themselves when fully infected in my opinion
DBD community: "I'm fed up with Wesker!"
Scott: "Hold my Matador tech!...."
Wesker is fun to play but we see him constantly and his hitboxes are atrocious. I went against him the other day and had vaulted a window and was well away from it and he still got the grab from inside the killer shack.
you are referring to latency. his hitbox is fine.
@@ScottJundno he means something else. He and most of the community hates the window grabs or pallet grabs which don't occur due to latency. It's due to shitty bigass hitbox survivors got on their asses instead of normal looking hitbox like in other games.
that 4-5 min mark is the most value anyone has ever gotten from a single LT loop
I just like him for the reason I like Blight, not because of strength but because of how fast he moves in power it feels less of an anti loop and more of anti shift W
More designs that aren’t just killer uses power survivor is forced to leave loop would be great