@@im-anon He was vegetarian most of his life and even vegan or fruitarian sometime so he probably believed more in alternative medicine than science based medicine.
I had breast cancer during covid. Some people told me about alternatives medicines. I refused and followed my oncologist treatments. I’m grateful to all the doctors and nurses. They were so supportive. I’m cancer free 😁
Had the same cancer. It was in my bile ducts.😅 Causing bile to back up in my system, jaundice, itching everywhere, diarrhea, vomiting, weight loss. Luckily it was in stage 1. I did not need chemotherapy or radiation for treatment. Just a procedure called a Whipple. ( Look up playdough Whipple for a kid friendly version, no gore ). Thank you Dr. Andrew Page from Piedmont Healthcare in Atlanta Ga. Survivor since March 31st 2021.
This happened to my mother as well. She was diagnosed with pre cancer, we have amazing insurance and could easily afford all the co payments that would come along. But she refused any type of traditional treatment and instead used homeotherapy to cure her growing cancer. It's now too late to even consider treating her cancer at all. I wished people would understand that refusing treatment like this also affects your family as well. God bless🙏 * **Edit: thank you all for sharing your kind words and stories with me. My mother aged 47, died on march 5 peacefully in the hospital. We were able to convice her to consent to a hospital stay, knowing she was close to death and in imense pain. Her best friend Norma helped in convincing her. Even all the hurt she caused to her family and herself i still love her and miss her deeply. Fly high mom🕊**
I'm not sure what her weight is but definitely do some research on fasting and or no carb dieting, it's been shown to reverse certain cancers in a few studies. Primarily because the cancer cells mitochondria is dependent on glucose, and even though the body will generate its own glucose through gluconeogenesis in the absence of glucose, it won't feed the cancer cells, ideally.
@@kylefer please, for the love of God, do no not give unsolicitated medical advice when you yourself are not a medical professional. Fasting can help minimally but cancer works faster than anything and sometimes faster than the best treatments. Please think before you comment.
My mom did the same thing. Except she had inflammatory breast cancer. She refused surgery said they would “butcher” her. It was so traumatic to watch the cancer eat away at her body. We had to convince her and her husband to sign a DNR because the cancer had eaten away so much of her chest that compressions would’ve squished her. She died 15 months after her diagnosis and her “treatments”. The icing on the cake however was my father remarried and that wife had a small tumor on her bowls (easily resected and probably wouldn’t need chemo. ) she was convinced that doctors were evil and did all the homeopathic crap. She died this summer. Two wives dead in less than five years. Nothing is worse than false hope. Those hucksters took all their money, sold them treatments and laughed all the way to the bank. Gotta love it.
My godmother had that too. No treatment, refused to get a surgery bc in her words “if they cut out my breast, I won’t be a woman anymore”. Had to watch her laying for months covered with pieces of tissue on her breast bc it was eating her outside too. So, eventually she’d lost her breast with pain and agony, passed away. Husband never married again, left two boys without mother. I can’t get my head around this, even though it was a decade ago. It’s not the same as your pain, but I somewhat understand you. Sorry for your loss
This is why I absolutely despise all pseudo medicine and especially homeopathy. Selling the idea that magic sugar pills are all people need might be harmless for a cold but when people buy into this stuff they're further incentivized to distrust all medicine. There's no reason to go through all the pains of surgery and hospital stays if you believe you can just get away without all that.
Yeah, but big pharma bad, phony pharma good …. Unbelievable ! Most of the discoveries actually take place in Academic Research Labs, and then the pharma companies use that to make medications. There are lots and lots of small startups that are producing some great therapies !
My brother's cancer had metastisized both north and south already when it was discovered, but he responded to chemo unexpectedly efficiently with supplemental treatments, herbal and dietary. But mother got too optimistic and also paranoid, so she pulled him out of medical treatment when it was almost gone. It came back more aggressive, like the doctors said it would. The second time was worse than whatever the treatment ever did.
I'm so sorry for your brother. I take it he's/was underage? Sorry, but in cases like this where parents refuse needed medical treatment for a child, they should be charged with medical neglect and lose decision-making rights, so the child may receive best treatment. And it sounds like it was the actual medical treatment that was helping him. There are no "supplementary treatments" that actually help. Because if something actually helps and there's research showing it actually works, then that is just called *medicine!* Science-based medical treatment adopts anything that is safe and effective - no matter how weird and "alternative" it seems, as long as it's actually proven to work - like using maggots to clean wounds or fecal transplants for microbiome.
Sounds like your mother is a bad parent for making a decision when she knew that she didn't have all the information. She literally took a gamble with your brother's, her son's, life. Terrible is the only word for it
ye iv always had a interest in chemistry I'm aware that around 13 possibly 14 of the poisoning that have happened this year in my city were people trying homeopathy or alternative medicines surprisingly when people with no expertise start messing around with deadly nightshade arsenic and also surprisingly asparagus people end up going to the doctor's iv been recommended hundreds of alternative medicine's for my chronic conditions but iv always explained to people i know if you have no scientific evidence then I'm not gonna try it if it involves possibly dangerous systems there are reason's we have tested methods.@@Czadzikable
That's actually a great point. Didn't even think of that. I love the comment section... people like you and other offering great insights & perspectives!
Probably because Dr's don't listen to young people. I have symptoms of pancreatic cancer but do you think a Dr will listen to a 33 year old female who tells them that? No way they don't at all
@@DrKaran hlo sir i am a your big indian fan. Currently I am Persuing my mbbs . I am a first year student. And i feel extremely motivated after watching your videos.
I just had bowel surgery yesterday to remove cancer. I had chemo before that. It's a fairly big operation but stands a good chance of saving my life, since we caught it early.
When my mother got breast cancer (7 kids, youngest was 3 years old) so many people in our community started approaching our family and telling about ash drinks, different teas etc. My mother was really angry with them, because she has always trusted medicine, and their instructions were really absurd and even dangerous to her health. These people have convinced some other sick people in our community to try homeopathy at the same time as cancer treatments. Doctors say this should never be done! Luckily my mother is completely healthy, we are really grateful to medicine, doctors and nurses for saving her life
Homeopathy doesn't have any effect on cancer treatments though. I really doubt that doctors at large have any problem with their patients taking very small sugar pills while also going through the modern medicine treatment. I am not really a fan of the Homeopathy marketing and community. The ideology can and does harm people that reject modern medicine as a result of fear mongering. On the other hand, those pills have no negative effect whatsoever (literally just micro sugar pills) and the "treatment" can significantly impact the mindest of a patient in a positive way through the placebo effect. It also helps people to feel taken care of and gives them a sense of empowerment over their own healing process. While still not fully understood, modern science has proven that the placebo effect and a positive mindset can have significant effects on the physiological healing process. So why not use alternative medicine as a support during the treatment?
Homeopathy is largely unregulated, meaning I can put few grams of steroid in a bottled water and sell it as homeopathy online. If no one tests the water, no one knows.
A doctors should not prevent the use of complementary medicine if it does not interfere with the medical treatment. Some compl. med procedures can actually help to support side effects and symptoms of traditional medical treatment, rendering it more efficient and easier to administrate. Just refusing without knowing is not a positive thing to do because there is some research about it, like for mycotherapy or fasting.
@@ya-chandesu6340nope. There are no "alternative treatments" that "actually help". Because if something actually helps and there's research showing it actually works, then that is just called medicine! Science-based medical treatment adopts anything that is safe and effective - no matter how weird and "alternative" it seems, as long as it's actually proven to work - like using maggots to clean wounds or fecal transplants for microbiome.
Just be super snarky at them next time. I do. It’s cathartic. People who offer unsolicited advice like that deserve to be yelled at. They are inconsiderate morons.
Regularly scheduled Colonoscopies starting at the age of 45 can help prevent that. If you have a family history of colon cancer you should start screening 10 years before they were diagnosed. Whichever is earlier
Worst thing about some of his "Alternative treatments" is that they most likely sped up the tumor growth. It's a pretty well know fact in Oncology that Fructose speeds up tumor growth and Steve was drinking shit tons of fruit juices which are basically concentrated Fructose with little to no fiber to slow down the absorption. Doing nothing could have dramatically improved his chances
Sugar. Sugar in general, glucose, fructose, etc. Increases cancer growth. Cancer cells use something like 400 times more glucose than any of your body’s natural cells. This is why many people go a Keto or Carnivore diet to deal with their cancer. Zero carbs gives the cancer nothing to feed on.
Imagine having the rare chance of a curable pancreatic cancer and the universe giving him and opportunity to live, he instead chose to die. My aunt passed away from pancreatic cancer and it is one of the most aggressive forms of cancer.
@@tomlxyzIts something about the type of cancer, Neuroendocrine has a better prognosis compared to adenocarcinoma which made it easier to cure due to it being caught much earlier than an adenocarcinoma. Atleast that's what the doc (forgot his name 💀) in the video said in the comments
My mother had breast cancer twice then it spread to her body. The first diagnosis was when I was 9 years old then again when I was 11. She took the traditional route until she was tired of the the effects of chemo. She's decided to live her final 6 months as comfortable as possible. She died at she 39. She fought like hell to stay with us. Yesterday was my birthday, I just turned 37 and I'm constantly seeking new methods in case I meet the same fate.
I’d focus your efforts on preventive measures rather than staying on top of new treatment methods so it could be actionable in the meantime, if it were me. Unless that’s what you meant.
The trouble is, breast cancer that happens that early in life is often a specific type that is extremely aggressive (hence why her mom died so incredibly young), and almost certainly carries a lot of risk for her as well--and even the most aggressive treatment is seldom successful for long. There's no prevention in the world that could stop it. At least no prevention currently known.@@NoPlanNoProb
I was a chemo/infusion RN. I often think of three patients who had very treatable cancers. They chose the alternative route. It was so hard watching them die a painful death when they didn't need to.
I knew a woman who had breast cancer and refused chemo or surgery for it. Tried alternative things that were really making her life harder, and taking away time she could have been spending with her several small children (I think she had 5 but can't remember exactly, it's been several years). She knew it was spreading and getting worse but still didn't try any traditional treatments. One day she suddenly couldn't breathe and she very quickly died in her husband's arms before an ambulance could arrive. It still haunts me to this day thinking of the children she left behind and her husband, now a single dad of several kids, who had to try to pick up the pieces of their life. It's still heartbreaking to me to this day and I didn't even know them very well.
That sounds horrible… I don’t really get not getting any treatment especially when someone has small children. Not even surgery if surgery is possible. I guess I can understand not wanting chemo since it can really take a toll on the body and sometimes it doesn’t help the cancer either. But surgery can help.
@@C00LX100 I don't really see it as selfish, just very misguided. I think she fought hard to get better in the way she believed was best. I think most of the time these people are just scared. Chemo is scary, surgery is scary, putting your life in the hands of a doctor you don't know who says things you don't understand is scary. The thought that you might do all of that and still die or get cancer again is scary. For some maybe it makes cancer more real if they go the traditional route. Maybe some feel they have equal chances either way and might as well try the less invasive option. I really don't know but I don't think it's purely selfish.
Reminds you of the parable of the drowning man who was waiting for god to save him after a flood and he refused all the help offered to him, waiting, waiting, waiting for god to help him, not realizing god had already intervened and sent help but he had refused it all.
@@Enforcer_WJDE I mean, turning vegan doesn’t kill you unless you also happen to be one of these all-natural, no-B12-pill fanatics thinking anemia is good… … sigh. There really are dumb vegans on Twitter saying lack of menstruation from iron deficiency is "healthy". People can get really stupid. Just take your iron pills or eat some enriched flour Chex mix.
He was accustomed to using what was known as the "Steve Jobs Reality Distortion Field", which works pretty well at persuading people to build hardware and software they thought wouldn't be possible, but it was ineffective against cancer.
Ideology and obstinacy, basically he was at least that time intransigent, and basically should never be that, and he unfortunately was a great example, no matter how brilliant you may be, if you refuse to take the information available and examine it and instead automatically discard it or over believe something without proof (specially when your life depends on it can cost you your life, and this was the case
Had 2 ladies come up to me in the vitamins dept at my work. They asked what can they give their father that has stage 4 kidney failure. I said a doctor. They walked away with a kidney flush herbal remedy. Some people think a few plants can reverse the damage, if that was the case we would parade it through the streets and it would be common knowledge. But because we don't have this miracle plant, we have doctors, surgeons, and other professionals that dedicate their lives to finding out how to help others.
And then those people say “well we don’t know about it because BIG PHARMA is covering it up!! They know they’ll make more money this way with a treatment than with a cure” 🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️🙄🤷🏻♀️
We also have to remember that some plants are close to being miracle plants but only for what they are miracles at fixing if my illness is due to low Iron brilliant bang me a load of Kale if I’ve got cancer fuck off with that shit I’m having radiotherapy chemotherapy the fucking works Will something’s help of course some non traditional medicines may help with the side effects of chemotherapy and help boost things like the bodies own immune system or keep other things that chemo and radiotherapy effect at the correct level but are they going to stop the cancer hell no When it comes to certain illnesses they really can be helped by diet changes Liver issues due to drink guess what cut down your alcohol intake High Cholesterol cut down fatty foods and alcohol and so forth
My mother, my aunt and I all got cancer within 24 months of each other. My mother's was lung cancer. She did everything correctly but her diagnosis was too late and she ultimately died from it. My aunt got cervical cancer and her personal witch doctor told her that chemo is poisonous and would kill her and advised her tp pay him $100,000 to formulate a blend of herbs and spices that would cure her cancer and she died six months later. I got lymphoma and it was caught in time and I followed my dr advice to the letter. That was 2006. That was 17 years ago. If you get cancer and you choose the witch doctor route you will die. If you get cancer and choose to follow your dr advice you may live.
That is severely alarming. I would be looking to your environment for some answers. All three of you in that short amount of time, & different cancers, too? That's not natural.
@@jjjsmith2497 Have you ever considered that they went to the doctors when it was too late to be treated? Ironic when you tell people to do research, but don't have any sort of critical thinking yourself.
That was the situation with a co-worker (she was extremely religious) and when she found out she had breast CA, she took off to Arizona to some “healing church”. Came back six months later; but it had already metastasized to other organs. Even them, she was very particular to what medication she would take (including pain meds); ended up dying very miserably….not one single person from her church came to help her in her time of need; especially after her “pastor” told her she didn’t get cure because she didn’t “have enough faith”.
@omobebe8951 Obviously not, since she was both failed by God for not being saved, her community for rejecting her memory, and society for letting bs like that affect actual people's lives. Your god failed to bless her soul. Own it.
I met someone the other day who claimed that she was "healed" from her breast cancer because of her faith in God. She said she didn't trust modern medicine. Like she actually said that to me and my coworker at work unpromptedly. I honestly couldn't respond to her because I knew someone just like her, who has refused treatment for breast cancer and died later that year. They looked so similar. They both looked...sunken. As if they were being devoured from the inside out. She clearly wasn't healed, but I just couldn't say anything.
@blindbrad4719 with cancer esp when it's metastasised to the point of symptoms, they can have periods of good days where they have full energy and minimal symptoms. Its possible shes interpreting that as a sign that shes healed
This is my exact view. By all means, have some juices and alternative therapy alongside your standard medical treatment, but please, don't believe that will fix everything. Also, make sure whatever alternative stuff you are trying won't negatively interact with your treatments.
Talk with your Doctor and Pharma to be sure there is no interaction between your medical treatment. Some interactions with natural products can be deadly.
Might be a Poem by Tim Minchin called Storm. You can find it on youtube and it was quite popular back in the earlier youtube days. Quote from his poem: "'By definition, ' I begin, 'Alternative medicine, ' I continue, 'Has either not been proved to work, or been proved not to work. Do you know what they call Alternative medicine that's been proved to work? Medicine.'"
There's no such thing as alternative medicine; there's medicine and there's bullshit. In most cases, it's snake oil, more expensive and less effective.
My mother also died from pancreatic cancer. This has been undiagnosed for years as she only had skin symptoms. Only a GP doing a routine thing saw her skin issues and suggested her to check for cancer, which she had. 7 years of cancer, 7 years of recurring skin issues that a chief dermatologist in hospital hasn't seen as being cancer but picked up by a young and random GP... When she was diagnosed, it already metastasized and rounf of chemo didn't help, as the cancer became suddenly more aggressive.
97% survival rate, he chose all the methods that provides a 1% survival rate combined. Sometimes bad people takes themselves out for the good of humanity.
@Khaliil bin Ammar he was angry and egoistic as far as i have read but many ppl are like that especially today and that wud be insignificant when compared to his inventions lol
@Khaliil bin Ammar , he treated servers and restaurant staff in general like trash. Source: a friend of mine who worked as a sous chef in a restaurant where top people from Apple often ate Personally, I do not trust people who treat those in subservient roles badly.
My half sister's dad was diagnosed with bowel cancer. He got surgery and just like that, 3 months later there's nothing left. Modern medicine makes wonders, if you follow it.
Same with my dad and aggressive prostate cancer. They cut it out, saw they didn’t quite get the margins, and then blasted the remaining cells with tomotherapy, finishing it off. He’s still cancer free decades later.
A man did this to his mother, a friend of mine. She was so confident in him because he truly believed in what he was saying. Near her death, she expressed her deep regret for not getting the surgery and chemo. The diagnosis came early and she just didn’t want to be sick from the chemo when all she (thought) she needed to do was improve her diet.
Surgery has existed for over 3000 years. The Romans, Aztecs & ancient Chinese all practiced it. Surgery is far more ancient & traditional than all the modern quackery going around.
Same thing happened to my mums aunt. She had a very small tumour. The doctors thought it'd be gone in one surgery. Instead she went on special milk and oils. Her cancer got so bad that before she died she was on the heaviest medication that the hospital had and had a terrible death. She wanted to avoid traditional medication but ended up using way more than the averagevcancer patient.
@@JanneBernards I think she would have refused if she wasn't in so much pain. Her husband was very controlling so I think it was mostly his pride that killed her. (Didn't want to admit that the doctors were right) His children kicked him out and he is now married to a woman who is 40 years younger than him and living in small government housing. They were living with their rich son before and had imported oils and health milks, chiropractors etc. So if they had just listened to the doctor they both would still be living a great life right now.
@@BarrelTitor91 No even if it was skin cancer it would not have worked. It was nonpasteurised milk. They couldn't buy it for drinking so bought it for 'beauty'. As they didn't live near a farm and you can't buy nonpasteurised milk for consumption in Australia. (That isn't to drink right away). Oils and milks would never help with any type cancer. I am all for holistic treatment but that should include medical treatment as well.
Agreed. Once the cancer takes root, deal with removing it. then fix your routine to support healing and strengthen defenses against the cancer's return. Then your body can work on mitigating any stray cancer cells that may emerge.
I definitely agree. Once removed or treated with everything that can be done, you need to approach your health from every angle possible. Can’t go back to eating poorly and expect your body to heal or defend itself.
No not true. Look at what they said about ivermectin and Joe rogan. Even though ivermectin was proven safe they sold a false narrative. That's just one largely known example. We must never forget these things. The government and the health industry as a whole doesn't care about you. The health INDUSTRY... that's why people in America pay exorbitant amounts for needed medicine while people in Canada pay pennies on the dollar. The corruption is deep Satan is the ruler of Earth until Jesus comes back and sets it right. Even an unbeliever can see the wicked truth if they try and do not forget the true injustices that people in power have been committing forever. Luke 12 35 “Be ready and dressed. Have your lights burning. 36 Be like men who are waiting for their owner to come home from a wedding supper. When he comes and knocks on the door, they will open it for him at once. 37 Those servants are happy when their owner finds them watching when he comes. For sure, I tell you, he will be dressed and ready to care for them. He will have them seated at the table. 38 The owner might come late at night or early in the morning. Those servants are happy if their owner finds them watching whenever he comes. 39 But understand this, that if the owner of a house had known when the robber was coming, he would have been watching. He would not have allowed his house to be broken into. 40 You must be ready also. The Son of Man is coming at a time when you do not think He will come.”
@@Nictator42The title “alternative medicine” isn’t used because it doesn’t work. It’s because it’s not part of mainstream/commonly used methods. There are many rare diseases that are often treated with “alternative medicine” because mainstream treatment isn’t working. Don’t be a moron
@@Nictator42some alternate or what people call alternate do help with certain often limited often diet based or lifestyle based illnesses a few multivitamins isn’t going to stop cancer
There is many alternative medicines that actually work... They have known effects on the body... I use aloe gel, literally from the plant itself for skin irritation and burns and just general skin healing. I use omega oil for wounds to help prevent scarring. I use ginger and honey in warm water to gargle/drink for soar throats. Breath peppermint oil for alertness, breath lavender to help me sleep... All of these things have peer reviewed papers proving they work and none of them are even remotely pharmaceutical. That being said I don't know of any herb, root, or otherwise that is known to deal with cancer. I imagine if such a thing existed it would be something people are killed for.
I don't understand theses people ! My cancer is inoperable I'd give my soul and more for a simple surgery. Sad but at least this way these nutcases leave more medical help for people who really want it.
@@OutsiderLabs HAHHAHAHHA where did you get your education? Genuine curious as you seems to think alternative option means not-working option. Which literally would mean its NOT an alternative but hey, you must know better 🤣🤣 since alternative solutions to you mean, not working-solutions, which is an oxymoron.. since it wouldnt be a solution if its not working... 🤣🤣 but again, you must know better.
@@OutsiderLabs wild guess, are you from USA and confusing this with alternative facts which just are false? Do you now think alternative means false? 🤣🤣
Preach! My own mother wanted to question doctors when I was diagnosed with brain cancer!!! I was so angry at her it’s ridiculous where people end up purely because of good marketing. Naturally I got surgery I’m lucky to have all the good type of mutations that grant a slow growing tumor (brain cancer can never be fully removed and always grows back). I didn’t even have chemo or radiation because the approach is to wait until next time when it’s grown back so I look completely healthy. People have to open their eyes and see natural remedies for what they are.
How did you get that cancer in the first place. Hint the modern farming system with pesticides and cancer causing agents. So you have to reply on both modern medicine and traditional ancient medicines to lead a healthy life.
@@GowthamV07 Probably not unless he had such a large dose of herb aside maybe it's genetic Is maybe there's there's a lot of carcinogens In his environment but a lot of things are carcinoge and it's just the dose
I’ve seen a couple of different interviews of people who had brain tumours/cancer and went to a complete carnivore diet. The cancer shrank and hasn’t returned in years.
@@amyfu2047 So did survive people who jumped in the middle of the street with busy traffic: Evidence is anecdotal and lacking, which should be a given to not try it for anybody, but apparently, some people do actually believe in fairy tales and think one sip of snake oil is enough to cure all illments known to humankind.
What's worse about this is that he left it too late and had a liver transplant. This obviously didn't save his life. His arrogance not only cost him his own life, but potentially the life of someone else.
They usually don't take your liver for a transplant if you are healthy and, you know, still need it to survive. If they take your liver, you are either dead or dying
Not only that, his pre-cancer Diet probably gave him Pancreatic Cancer. Ashton Kutcher played Jobs in the movie... Jobs. Ashton decided to try Jobs' nut and seed based diet and after a couple months at most, ended up in hospital, because his Pancreas crashed on him.
Same thing happened to my friends friend. By the time it was obvious that Riki wasn't the solution it was too late despite having an appointment with some of the leading doctors of his cancer he still listened to the wrong people
I lost my piano teacher because she chose to treat her lung cancer with holistic health only. She was an extremely loving woman. Traditional and holistic can work together but never just on their own.
I had my appendix surgery back in 2019, it really got rotten in my body and was becoming painful and threatening day by day, I had to go for surgery, people used to tell me different opinions and options to cure it other than surgery, but you just can't take risks with health. If it gets worse it can be deadly
What kind of moron would think a ruptured/about-to-rupture appendix could be treated by ANYthing other than surgery?? It can kill you within HOURS, and it can't be fucking fixed with fantastical bullshit. I hope those morons aren't able to convince anyone else who needs an appendectomy to refuse it.
RIGHT??? I didn't have a cancer, I had a fibroadenoma, it's not a terrible thing, and you can live for decades with it, but that thing bothered me so much, I wanted it OUT! When the surgeon came to discuss how the surgery would be done, he explained some more things about it, that I either missed or my doc didn't mention, and the thing tha freaked me out was that those things CALCIFY! they turn into rocks! I imagined having a fall with a rock in my chest, and if there were any obscure doubts, they were immediately gone. GET IT OUT! How can you possibly NOT want to get rid of a ticking time bomb in your body? preferably immediately? It's beyond my understanding.
My aunt had cervical cancer. Mom did too. When I started getting fibroids I took action. My doctor said if I waited a year I would have cervical cancer. Your are correct we must get treatment where we can live. I told my only daughter if she started having problems please get the surgery to live. Thank you ❤
I had the same kind and it was found in time. The doctor said that it was almost to the stage that if I waited l, I would need the Whipple surgery. Thankfully it was removed and I haven't had a recurrence since. It's been almost 10 years.
This is EXACTLY my moms situation, she recently got diagnosed with a cancer very similar to Steve Jobs', there is a surgery with a good chance of success, but she choose to do "alternative" treatment instead. I'm afraid it won't go well...
Working in oncology, pancreatic cancers (if she has one of those) are so agressive you should spend alot of time with her while you still have the chance. Months rather than years. I find it incredible, we lose people daily in regret of not finding out earlier. The few lucky ones diagnosted early sometimes refuse treatment, often out of stupidity and ignorance. You cannot sugarcoat it. It is hard to feel empathy when they're back half a year later on the brink of death, pushing the fault to you because you can't help them anymore. Your mum has the full right to let nature take over and refuse treatment. But I hope she is aware that's a death sentence within very few years unless she is the 1 in 1000.
Bro do it fast Make the surgery happen Even you have to Put her in sleep or something My family also uses ayurvedic medicines for basic stuff cold , fever etc But we know where it's limits are Not just me any certified ayurvedic doctor would say the same
A friend of mine went to a healer when he got diagnosed with non hodgkin lymphoma. The therapy was not invasive. The healer urged my friend to still get the chemo as scheduled, saying "I'm helping getting better faster, and you should absolutely follow your doctor's advice." Thankfully, he did. Got married about two years later and hve two kids now.
See, these alternatives could be ok as long as they’re in conjunction with not instead of. My classmate wanted me to drop my Dr and my Cancer treatment and only drink Shakology Shakes to “cure” my cancer! I was shocked to learn She died of cancer a yr later! She never told anyone she had cancer! That company convinced her they’d found the cure and turned her into a pushy obnoxious PIA! They had her believing she’d be rich & famous when she was cured! Instead I’m here, alive & cancer Free and She’s dead. I don’t understand how an intelligent person could ignore her Drs. A drink like slim fast is not a cancer cure
If you add 0 to 1 it's still 1, same as if you have chemotherapy and do some bs like running around a campfire daily, the chemos going to do all the work, making the cancer go away.
@@zebragoboom well, why he trusted more a healer than his own family or friends?? That give you food for thought about how afraid we are sometimes to share with our family.
@@jenniferd264 Unfortunately people who believe in some alternatives usually end up only believing in them. If you start to think that there are effective non invasive treatments with no downsides and doctors just aren't smart or good enough to provide them, dismissing all real medicine isn't much of a leap anymore.
If my mother did this, I'd tell her to just whip up her will, because I don't think I'd be able to bare trying to argue with someone I love while they're slowly dying of curable causes because of their own ignorance...
If it is operable & you can afford it, GET THE OPERATION! You can still do the nontraditional/alternative methods pre & post op! If you have access to the best of both worlds...ACCESS THEM BOTH!
@@zebragoboomnot even that, often the alternative medicine is straight up toxic and dangerous, people like literally ingesting themselves with cyanide because some quack told them it would cure them.
We’re grateful for his contributions here in Memphis. Our largest medical and teaching hospital got a nice upgrade after he helped. Sad we couldn’t help him here.
Never mess with pancreatic cancer. When i was am acute nurse, no one I knew survived this. Get it sorted as ASAP. Soft tissue and organs are very fragile and easily spread.
Conventional medicine should work alongside complementary but with conventional as the main aspect. Complementary can be very beneficial for well-being
One of the higher up doctors at the Hospital where my brother works used to say: "a drug/medicine without side effects, doesn't have a main effect either"
@@myopinions1actually there are a lot of side effects to curcumin (dose matters) and not as much benefits as people tell each other. I researched that topic (pharmaceutical biochemist) during my master few years ago and read every study available. I'm actually eating curcumin but i'd never try to cure anything else than small things with that.
My aunt was diagnosed with cancer in 2021, may last year we thought she was about to die, she was in really bad shape. After changing to a different oncology team she is getting better everyday, is nothing short of a miracle but we know it was the additional surgeries, chemo and radio that helped her.
Steve Jobs likely got Pancreatic cancer due to his lifelong diet choices. He was a Fruitarian for decades before he developed cancer. Eating foods high in sugars isn’t good for the health of a Pancreas. His rare form of Pancreatic cancer was slowing growing than typically aggressive and rapidly fatal pancreatic adenosarcoma. His was an Islet cell tumour, or Gastroenteropancreatic neuroendocrine tumour (GEP-NET). His lifestyle definitely played a role in this.
You’re right! Cutting out all plant foods is what will help. Carnivore!! Even so, a person should use every tool available to their advantage! Clean eating plus medical intervention is the best bet for survival.
But sometimes when all medical options have been exhausted the only options are non-medical and sometimes they work. ua-cam.com/play/PLD4EAA8F8C9148A1B.html&si=XRbam-UFiV8vZ_5M
You don't go to the acupuncturist while you're bleeding out. You go after to deal with scars, helping you nourish your blood, deal with some emotional issues.
Yes acupuncture and other traditional Chinese medicine (or whatever country it's from) is really only to improve Ur general health. Remembered getting a high fever and my parent forcing me to drink disgusting Chinese medicine instead of going to the hospital until I told her I had to go to the hospital. God I hate these lunatics.
@@alcyonecrucis not true how? I am speaking about American acupuncture in particular where triage is not part of treatment. From my understanding in China doctors learn acupuncture to a degree as part of their training and can specialize, but I may be wrong.
I had a friend who had ovarian and breast cancer. She went to a clinic out of the country, paid a flat fee and was cancer free. The clinic had actual doctors who let you know if you are a candidate for alternative treatment. They support you if you want the traditional stuff, but can help you if you come early enough.
Hmm. . Compared to the floaters now lumping up the surface (musk, zuck), jobs wasn't all that bad, and actually was an intelligent visionary. But yeah, so it goes.
I agree. All the PT in the world won't help my degenerative disc disease. It's helpful before and after surgery, but only surgery stops the deep grinding bone on bone pain and neuropathy.
Sadly, Bob Marly had a similar situation. He had a cancer growth on his foot. He figured the natural stuff would save him. It spreaded and killed him, at less than 40 years of age😢
As I understand it, Marley died at 27. I'd always heard the story in the form that he'd simply not recognised that the brown marking on his foot (or under a toenail) was melanoma and so he didn't seek treatment until it was too late.
The difference between an optimist and a pessimist and a realist. The optimist, the cup is half full. The pessimist, the cup is half empty. The realist, this is piss not water.
It should also be up to us what treatment we seek. I have never agreed with forcing someone to undergo a treatment they arent comfortable with. As more and more people start refusing these traditional treatments maybe there is something to be said of that. We should always be researching and trying new alternatives.
The only thing to be said about people dodging real treatments is that it shows just how powerful misinformation and people selling snake oil can be. When you get cancer drink all the Miracle mineral Solution you want 😂
The libertarian in me says, "Yes, people should be allowed to choose, even when it's not in their best interests." Other parts say, "Not if it's a child or someone who is unable to make the choice under their own steam!" And I certainly feel a lot of frustration when people make choices that are clearly not in their best interests and then stick to them through hell and high water, despite the fact that it is becoming increasingly obvious that the "alternative treatment" is doing fuck all to cure them.
That’s very sad he didn’t make it in time! Want to Thank you for being on here😊 All of my relatives are in England 🏴 Never got to meet them, but it’s great listening to you’re accent makes me feel at home 😊
That label is stupid anyways. I think they confused organic with uncontaminated which is basically impossible unless you grow your food isolated from everything.
Organic food is supposed to be pesticide free. It may have traces from neighboring areas. Still, it should be lower. Science suggests that feeding children organic food before age two is helpful. After age 2 it is debatable.
@@WouldntULikeToKnow. Sorry. I should have said that they aren't allowed to use chemicals on the food. Like I said studies have shown that before age two it can be good for health to eat organic food. That would suggest that overall organic food isn't worse. After age 2 there is no proven benefit.
@@skmanny2525 no. “You n I” wouldn’t have the money to do what he did. You can only apply for organs in the state you live in, but not when you’re a billionaire like Steve. He was put on registerys in every state and got a pancreas that someone else was supposed to get
@Crucisphinx Not a stupid, do you know what the person was thinking? Maybe they're afraid of dying on the surgery table and truly believe other methods would work. It's not that simple unless you're in that situation. Also, it doesn't matter if you're stupid or smart. Majority of us would get desperate in the face of death and would do anything to survive.
The idea that people can heal using strictly non-traditional methods seems to have become quite common. Do you think it would help to educate the public on exactly how traditional methods help people? Maybe there's some trust in science-backed medicine that has been lost by the public.
I had stg4 cancer in my sinus. I had surgery and radiotherapy but also hyperbaric oxygen therapy, and supplements such as Reishi . I'm clear of cancer 6yrs and it ain't coming back ❤ "I will not die but live and declare the works of the Lord"
Bhai, aapki approach to medicine bahut sahi hai. We need to find the right balance, to be able to allow for room, for the patient, to find acceptance. But, it is a tricky situation, when a person who has always been healthy, finds it difficult to accept such a situation. 🙏
My mother did the same thing. I think it was for the best to be honest - not because the alternative stuff worked, it didn't, but because her risk of death was super high anyway, and she got to die at home, the way she wanted to go, in a familiar environment, with minimal hospital trauma. The times she did go to hospital were atrocious, they treated her like absolute dogsh!t and it still makes me unhealtily angry to think about. If i face the same situation i'll do the same frankly, but with even less hospital. Animals know how to die and it's something humans could do with relearning too.
I've had cancer 3x. Three different cancers. 2010. 2014. 2020. Each time I asked my doctors who'd they'd go to, or send the person they love most. Did everything each expert said. Going on 14 yrs from the first cancer. Had I not had the surgery & radiation, I wouldn't have lived to get the other two. Early diagnosis is critical. Get checked. Be proactive. Don't be afraid. Don't fall for quacks who will only take your money. It's the best time in the history of humanity to get cancer. And it's only getting better - but you have to go to real doctors.
Everyone has weaknesses in their intellect. If you realize that you can get help from others. I wonder if he was too stubborn to listen to other people around him.
@@Catlily5 ah yes, the nuance that i forgot. I keep thinking "being smart" is like having a good foundation, but it's more like just hording information.
Truly a tragedy. He came to a meeting at our company, and I was basically a newbie nobody and after the meeting he came back and thanked me for the one thing I did, and had remembered my first name. He had a sincerity and awareness few do. Cancer is a black mamba don’t play with it.
My sister was on chemotherapy after her mastectomy. The chemo gave her leukaemia 10 years after remission and she was unable to have further treatment because of it. Cheap passed away last February after falling over and hitting her head. Her blood platelets were so very thin and they couldn't stop the bleed. I miss her so much😢
Funniest thing about it all is that most medications - and especially chemotherapy - are directly derived from plants. They're extracts that are often modified to make them more effective, cleaner, and to have fewer side effects.
Cures don’t make money. Needing several round of a toxic sludge that kills cancer by destroying everything else too also leads to needing more medicine of different kinds. It’s about making money. But keto and carnivore are the best diets to improve your chances of survival.
My mom did go through proper treatment (immunotherapy)but i added tumeric and black pepper along with high doses of CBD with minuscule amounts of THC. Stage 4 metastatic melanoma (brain and lungs) 5 years ago, last 2 years she has been in remission
This man had every resource available to him, but nothing couldn’t save him from his dogma.
Whats a dogma
@@im-anon beliefs or set of beliefs
@@im-anondogma balls
@@im-anon He was vegetarian most of his life and even vegan or fruitarian sometime so he probably believed more in alternative medicine than science based medicine.
@@TLK22 Natural selection
I had breast cancer during covid. Some people told me about alternatives medicines. I refused and followed my oncologist treatments. I’m grateful to all the doctors and nurses. They were so supportive. I’m cancer free 😁
Congratulations! You beat cancer, proud of you.❤️
God bless you, hope you continue to have a long happy healthy life
Guess the real cancer were your friends.
So happy to hear that, God bless 🌹
Congrats on beating cancer! 🎉❤ Let's hope that cancer NEVER comes back!
Had the same cancer. It was in my bile ducts.😅 Causing bile to back up in my system, jaundice, itching everywhere, diarrhea, vomiting, weight loss. Luckily it was in stage 1. I did not need chemotherapy or radiation for treatment. Just a procedure called a Whipple. ( Look up playdough Whipple for a kid friendly version, no gore ).
Thank you Dr. Andrew Page from Piedmont Healthcare in Atlanta Ga.
Survivor since March 31st 2021.
That is great to hear that you made a full recovery
“Just a whipple” just so happens to be one of the biggest abdominal operations you can have! Well done on your recovery.
@@gethboySeriously assisted one case that took about 8 hours
How dare you criticise Steve Jobs. You are doing treatment wrong if you don't follow Steve Jobs methods.
Thanks for giving us the (not gore) one
This happened to my mother as well. She was diagnosed with pre cancer, we have amazing insurance and could easily afford all the co payments that would come along. But she refused any type of traditional treatment and instead used homeotherapy to cure her growing cancer. It's now too late to even consider treating her cancer at all. I wished people would understand that refusing treatment like this also affects your family as well. God bless🙏
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**Edit: thank you all for sharing your kind words and stories with me. My mother aged 47, died on march 5 peacefully in the hospital. We were able to convice her to consent to a hospital stay, knowing she was close to death and in imense pain. Her best friend Norma helped in convincing her. Even all the hurt she caused to her family and herself i still love her and miss her deeply. Fly high mom🕊**
Sorry
To hear my friend :(
Sorry to hear that buddy...stay strong and stay by your mother's side. Give her all the love and respect.
I'm not sure what her weight is but definitely do some research on fasting and or no carb dieting, it's been shown to reverse certain cancers in a few studies. Primarily because the cancer cells mitochondria is dependent on glucose, and even though the body will generate its own glucose through gluconeogenesis in the absence of glucose, it won't feed the cancer cells, ideally.
@@kylefer please, for the love of God, do no not give unsolicitated medical advice when you yourself are not a medical professional. Fasting can help minimally but cancer works faster than anything and sometimes faster than the best treatments. Please think before you comment.
@@kylefer could you please site the studies. I would like to verify it.
My mom did the same thing. Except she had inflammatory breast cancer. She refused surgery said they would “butcher” her. It was so traumatic to watch the cancer eat away at her body. We had to convince her and her husband to sign a DNR because the cancer had eaten away so much of her chest that compressions would’ve squished her. She died 15 months after her diagnosis and her “treatments”. The icing on the cake however was my father remarried and that wife had a small tumor on her bowls (easily resected and probably wouldn’t need chemo. ) she was convinced that doctors were evil and did all the homeopathic crap. She died this summer. Two wives dead in less than five years. Nothing is worse than false hope. Those hucksters took all their money, sold them treatments and laughed all the way to the bank. Gotta love it.
My godmother had that too. No treatment, refused to get a surgery bc in her words “if they cut out my breast, I won’t be a woman anymore”. Had to watch her laying for months covered with pieces of tissue on her breast bc it was eating her outside too. So, eventually she’d lost her breast with pain and agony, passed away. Husband never married again, left two boys without mother.
I can’t get my head around this, even though it was a decade ago.
It’s not the same as your pain, but I somewhat understand you. Sorry for your loss
This is why I absolutely despise all pseudo medicine and especially homeopathy. Selling the idea that magic sugar pills are all people need might be harmless for a cold but when people buy into this stuff they're further incentivized to distrust all medicine. There's no reason to go through all the pains of surgery and hospital stays if you believe you can just get away without all that.
Yeah, but big pharma bad, phony pharma good ….
Unbelievable ! Most of the discoveries actually take place in Academic Research Labs, and then the pharma companies use that to make medications. There are lots and lots of small startups that are producing some great therapies !
Homeopathy and naturopathy should have been banned ages ago!
sounds like your dad has a type 🥲
My brother's cancer had metastisized both north and south already when it was discovered, but he responded to chemo unexpectedly efficiently with supplemental treatments, herbal and dietary. But mother got too optimistic and also paranoid, so she pulled him out of medical treatment when it was almost gone. It came back more aggressive, like the doctors said it would. The second time was worse than whatever the treatment ever did.
I'm so sorry for your brother. I take it he's/was underage? Sorry, but in cases like this where parents refuse needed medical treatment for a child, they should be charged with medical neglect and lose decision-making rights, so the child may receive best treatment.
And it sounds like it was the actual medical treatment that was helping him. There are no "supplementary treatments" that actually help. Because if something actually helps and there's research showing it actually works, then that is just called *medicine!* Science-based medical treatment adopts anything that is safe and effective - no matter how weird and "alternative" it seems, as long as it's actually proven to work - like using maggots to clean wounds or fecal transplants for microbiome.
Sounds like your mother is a bad parent for making a decision when she knew that she didn't have all the information. She literally took a gamble with your brother's, her son's, life. Terrible is the only word for it
you should have every right to hate your mother!
ye iv always had a interest in chemistry I'm aware that around 13 possibly 14 of the poisoning that have happened this year in my city were people trying homeopathy or alternative medicines surprisingly when people with no expertise start messing around with deadly nightshade arsenic and also surprisingly asparagus people end up going to the doctor's iv been recommended hundreds of alternative medicine's for my chronic conditions but iv always explained to people i know if you have no scientific evidence then I'm not gonna try it if it involves possibly dangerous systems there are reason's we have tested methods.@@Czadzikable
Don't ever let her live it down
I find it really odd that a man so involved with tech didn’t believe science could cure him.
It's ego. He thought he was a genius and knew better than what the doctors were telling him and he paid the price.
You might be getting caught up in the mythology of great men
@@DontMessWithCaesarCan't agree more He thought he was gonna brainwash center like he he brainwashed iSheeps, but he reached his limit I guess....
He was a hippy. He ate only raw foods and didn't believe in wiping his ass.
That's actually a great point. Didn't even think of that. I love the comment section... people like you and other offering great insights & perspectives!
That’s insane that he actually caught it early enough too. Usually pancreatic cancer isn’t caught until it’s too late…
He had an islet cell neuroendocrine tumour ..most pancreatic cancers are adenocarcinoma with a much worse prognosis
Probably because Dr's don't listen to young people. I have symptoms of pancreatic cancer but do you think a Dr will listen to a 33 year old female who tells them that? No way they don't at all
@@DrKaran hlo sir i am a your big indian fan. Currently I am Persuing my mbbs . I am a first year student. And i feel extremely motivated after watching your videos.
Steve jobs hubris got the better of him
@dr Karen And he had money to get other tests done
I just had bowel surgery yesterday to remove cancer. I had chemo before that. It's a fairly big operation but stands a good chance of saving my life, since we caught it early.
Good luck, I hope you're recovering well from the surgery!
All the best to you ❤ keep up the great attitude
When my mother got breast cancer (7 kids, youngest was 3 years old) so many people in our community started approaching our family and telling about ash drinks, different teas etc. My mother was really angry with them, because she has always trusted medicine, and their instructions were really absurd and even dangerous to her health. These people have convinced some other sick people in our community to try homeopathy at the same time as cancer treatments. Doctors say this should never be done! Luckily my mother is completely healthy, we are really grateful to medicine, doctors and nurses for saving her life
Homeopathy doesn't have any effect on cancer treatments though. I really doubt that doctors at large have any problem with their patients taking very small sugar pills while also going through the modern medicine treatment.
I am not really a fan of the Homeopathy marketing and community. The ideology can and does harm people that reject modern medicine as a result of fear mongering.
On the other hand, those pills have no negative effect whatsoever (literally just micro sugar pills) and the "treatment" can significantly impact the mindest of a patient in a positive way through the placebo effect.
It also helps people to feel taken care of and gives them a sense of empowerment over their own healing process.
While still not fully understood, modern science has proven that the placebo effect and a positive mindset can have significant effects on the physiological healing process. So why not use alternative medicine as a support during the treatment?
Homeopathy is largely unregulated, meaning I can put few grams of steroid in a bottled water and sell it as homeopathy online. If no one tests the water, no one knows.
@@lolasonne1772you’re right, especially the last paragraph. There’s research that positive mindset and placebo does help.
A doctors should not prevent the use of complementary medicine if it does not interfere with the medical treatment. Some compl. med procedures can actually help to support side effects and symptoms of traditional medical treatment, rendering it more efficient and easier to administrate. Just refusing without knowing is not a positive thing to do because there is some research about it, like for mycotherapy or fasting.
@@ya-chandesu6340nope. There are no "alternative treatments" that "actually help". Because if something actually helps and there's research showing it actually works, then that is just called medicine! Science-based medical treatment adopts anything that is safe and effective - no matter how weird and "alternative" it seems, as long as it's actually proven to work - like using maggots to clean wounds or fecal transplants for microbiome.
My grandpa died from colon cancer and my coworker told me he could have been saved if he ate peach pits. I was never so close to lose my cool
Just be super snarky at them next time. I do. It’s cathartic. People who offer unsolicited advice like that deserve to be yelled at. They are inconsiderate morons.
Don't peach pits contain cyanide? Your coworker was basically saying your grandfather should've poisoned himself o.o
Also, I'm sorry for your loss
@@HaizeyWings ikr she belives in all conspiracy she can find. Writing meds name on a paper and put it under glas of water.
They contain that in a really low dose
Regularly scheduled Colonoscopies starting at the age of 45 can help prevent that. If you have a family history of colon cancer you should start screening 10 years before they were diagnosed. Whichever is earlier
Worst thing about some of his "Alternative treatments" is that they most likely sped up the tumor growth.
It's a pretty well know fact in Oncology that Fructose speeds up tumor growth and Steve was drinking shit tons of fruit juices which are basically concentrated Fructose with little to no fiber to slow down the absorption.
Doing nothing could have dramatically improved his chances
Sugar. Sugar in general, glucose, fructose, etc. Increases cancer growth. Cancer cells use something like 400 times more glucose than any of your body’s natural cells.
This is why many people go a Keto or Carnivore diet to deal with their cancer. Zero carbs gives the cancer nothing to feed on.
Imagine having the rare chance of a curable pancreatic cancer and the universe giving him and opportunity to live, he instead chose to die. My aunt passed away from pancreatic cancer and it is one of the most aggressive forms of cancer.
He didn't realize that he was choosing to die until it was too late.
RIP to your aunt, I wish you all the health the world has to offer 💜
Isn't the problem usually that it's just caught too late?
@@tomlxyzIts something about the type of cancer, Neuroendocrine has a better prognosis compared to adenocarcinoma which made it easier to cure due to it being caught much earlier than an adenocarcinoma. Atleast that's what the doc (forgot his name 💀) in the video said in the comments
Rip to your aunt
You can't cure ignorance, it cures itself.
Actually, you can cure ignorance.
We just need to control the idea of "free speech" and eliminate idiots who spread false information.
@@Rain_21 That's the most ignorant thing I've read today 😄
@@MrLoobu
Well, I can't cure your ignorance.
But normal people can learn and get rid of their ignorance.
@Rain OH can they? With your help and control, right?
@@MrLoobu
Well, yes if people learn without misinformation they will be learned, people.
not people who have the illusion of knowledge.
My mother had breast cancer twice then it spread to her body. The first diagnosis was when I was 9 years old then again when I was 11. She took the traditional route until she was tired of the the effects of chemo. She's decided to live her final 6 months as comfortable as possible. She died at she 39. She fought like hell to stay with us. Yesterday was my birthday, I just turned 37 and I'm constantly seeking new methods in case I meet the same fate.
I’d focus your efforts on preventive measures rather than staying on top of new treatment methods so it could be actionable in the meantime, if it were me. Unless that’s what you meant.
The trouble is, breast cancer that happens that early in life is often a specific type that is extremely aggressive (hence why her mom died so incredibly young), and almost certainly carries a lot of risk for her as well--and even the most aggressive treatment is seldom successful for long. There's no prevention in the world that could stop it. At least no prevention currently known.@@NoPlanNoProb
I was a chemo/infusion RN. I often think of three patients who had very treatable cancers. They chose the alternative route. It was so hard watching them die a painful death when they didn't need to.
I knew a woman who had breast cancer and refused chemo or surgery for it. Tried alternative things that were really making her life harder, and taking away time she could have been spending with her several small children (I think she had 5 but can't remember exactly, it's been several years). She knew it was spreading and getting worse but still didn't try any traditional treatments. One day she suddenly couldn't breathe and she very quickly died in her husband's arms before an ambulance could arrive. It still haunts me to this day thinking of the children she left behind and her husband, now a single dad of several kids, who had to try to pick up the pieces of their life. It's still heartbreaking to me to this day and I didn't even know them very well.
That sounds horrible… I don’t really get not getting any treatment especially when someone has small children. Not even surgery if surgery is possible. I guess I can understand not wanting chemo since it can really take a toll on the body and sometimes it doesn’t help the cancer either. But surgery can help.
@@prinzezze yeah. I don't know exactly what options would have been available to her, but I know she was not seeking any traditional treatment.
That's being selfish, sadly...
@@C00LX100 I don't really see it as selfish, just very misguided. I think she fought hard to get better in the way she believed was best. I think most of the time these people are just scared. Chemo is scary, surgery is scary, putting your life in the hands of a doctor you don't know who says things you don't understand is scary. The thought that you might do all of that and still die or get cancer again is scary. For some maybe it makes cancer more real if they go the traditional route. Maybe some feel they have equal chances either way and might as well try the less invasive option. I really don't know but I don't think it's purely selfish.
@@C00LX100 Except they really believe they are doing the right thing.
Reminds you of the parable of the drowning man who was waiting for god to save him after a flood and he refused all the help offered to him, waiting, waiting, waiting for god to help him, not realizing god had already intervened and sent help but he had refused it all.
Wow why would you ever reject a chance to cure your cancer when you can afford it and there is a relatively high mortality rate
Kinda like veganism....you can afford the alternative but don't choose it because you have the luxury of choice.
@@Enforcer_WJDE the fact that both are choices is where the similarities between veganism and alternative medicine end
@@Enforcer_WJDE I mean, turning vegan doesn’t kill you unless you also happen to be one of these all-natural, no-B12-pill fanatics thinking anemia is good…
… sigh. There really are dumb vegans on Twitter saying lack of menstruation from iron deficiency is "healthy". People can get really stupid. Just take your iron pills or eat some enriched flour Chex mix.
He was accustomed to using what was known as the "Steve Jobs Reality Distortion Field", which works pretty well at persuading people to build hardware and software they thought wouldn't be possible, but it was ineffective against cancer.
Ideology and obstinacy, basically he was at least that time intransigent, and basically should never be that, and he unfortunately was a great example, no matter how brilliant you may be, if you refuse to take the information available and examine it and instead automatically discard it or over believe something without proof (specially when your life depends on it can cost you your life, and this was the case
Had 2 ladies come up to me in the vitamins dept at my work. They asked what can they give their father that has stage 4 kidney failure. I said a doctor. They walked away with a kidney flush herbal remedy.
Some people think a few plants can reverse the damage, if that was the case we would parade it through the streets and it would be common knowledge. But because we don't have this miracle plant, we have doctors, surgeons, and other professionals that dedicate their lives to finding out how to help others.
And then those people say “well we don’t know about it because BIG PHARMA is covering it up!! They know they’ll make more money this way with a treatment than with a cure” 🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️🙄🤷🏻♀️
We also have to remember that some plants are close to being miracle plants but only for what they are miracles at fixing if my illness is due to low Iron brilliant bang me a load of Kale if I’ve got cancer fuck off with that shit I’m having radiotherapy chemotherapy the fucking works
Will something’s help of course some non traditional medicines may help with the side effects of chemotherapy and help boost things like the bodies own immune system or keep other things that chemo and radiotherapy effect at the correct level but are they going to stop the cancer hell no
When it comes to certain illnesses they really can be helped by diet changes Liver issues due to drink guess what cut down your alcohol intake High Cholesterol cut down fatty foods and alcohol and so forth
Dialysis
@@mahoganydoormadmindstories dialysis isn’t exactly a cure more something to prolong until fixable and is for kidney issues
😂 or someone else's kidney. I've got four kidneys now and two pancreases. it's getting full in here*holds belly and gently shakes it 🤣
My mother, my aunt and I all got cancer within 24 months of each other. My mother's was lung cancer. She did everything correctly but her diagnosis was too late and she ultimately died from it. My aunt got cervical cancer and her personal witch doctor told her that chemo is poisonous and would kill her and advised her tp pay him $100,000 to formulate a blend of herbs and spices that would cure her cancer and she died six months later. I got lymphoma and it was caught in time and I followed my dr advice to the letter. That was 2006. That was 17 years ago. If you get cancer and you choose the witch doctor route you will die. If you get cancer and choose to follow your dr advice you may live.
Well said. And congratulations on beating lymphoma!!
That is severely alarming. I would be looking to your environment for some answers. All three of you in that short amount of time, & different cancers, too? That's not natural.
My rule of thumb when it's alternative/natural remedies is, if it's cancer, go to the fucking doctors ASAP.
There a lot more things to go to the doctors ASAP for besides cancer.
I’ve known about seven people who did the same….they all died in short order…will NOT goes to a doctor for this. Research!
@@jjjsmith2497 Have you ever considered that they went to the doctors when it was too late to be treated? Ironic when you tell people to do research, but don't have any sort of critical thinking yourself.
@@asurmenhandofasuryan4610 Yes
@@jjjsmith2497ok and what was their diagnosis then? If youre going to use anecdote then to strengthen your argument youre going to need to reveal it
That was the situation with a co-worker (she was extremely religious) and when she found out she had breast CA, she took off to Arizona to some “healing church”.
Came back six months later; but it had already metastasized to other organs. Even them, she was very particular to what medication she would take (including pain meds); ended up dying very miserably….not one single person from her church came to help her in her time of need; especially after her “pastor” told her she didn’t get cure because she didn’t “have enough faith”.
Shame on that pastor for saying such! May her soul rest in peace.
Nah those are fake churches. Christians go to hospital
@omobebe8951 Obviously not, since she was both failed by God for not being saved, her community for rejecting her memory, and society for letting bs like that affect actual people's lives.
Your god failed to bless her soul. Own it.
Sounds like a fake story
Horrific.
I met someone the other day who claimed that she was "healed" from her breast cancer because of her faith in God. She said she didn't trust modern medicine. Like she actually said that to me and my coworker at work unpromptedly.
I honestly couldn't respond to her because I knew someone just like her, who has refused treatment for breast cancer and died later that year. They looked so similar. They both looked...sunken. As if they were being devoured from the inside out. She clearly wasn't healed, but I just couldn't say anything.
That's hilarious. Trust them enough to tell her she's got cancer, doesn't trusts them enough to find out if she's Clear 😂
By then it was most likely too late. Not much point in arguing at that point
@blindbrad4719 with cancer esp when it's metastasised to the point of symptoms, they can have periods of good days where they have full energy and minimal symptoms. Its possible shes interpreting that as a sign that shes healed
@@zineguri8515 yep, when you don't want to believe that your end is coming it's easy to bury your head in the sand until it's not.
My stepmother tried praying the cancer away too, and it killed her. Weirdly, my father still watches the faith healers grifting online.
This is my exact view. By all means, have some juices and alternative therapy alongside your standard medical treatment, but please, don't believe that will fix everything. Also, make sure whatever alternative stuff you are trying won't negatively interact with your treatments.
if someone refuses treatment in favour of juices, he/she would need to be declared mentally ill and unfit to decide
You sound like you're a very reasonable person who has common sense. That is pretty rare to find in the comments section.
Talk with your Doctor and Pharma to be sure there is no interaction between your medical treatment.
Some interactions with natural products can be deadly.
Or just....stick to treatment. Anything ailment that can be affected by capri sun can be safely left alone.
Or just trust modern medicine and don't be a loon
Not sure where I heard it, but someone once said, "Do you know what we call alternative medicines that are proven to work? Medicine."
Might be a Poem by Tim Minchin called Storm. You can find it on youtube and it was quite popular back in the earlier youtube days.
Quote from his poem:
"'By definition, ' I begin,
'Alternative medicine, ' I continue,
'Has either not been proved to work, or been proved not to work.
Do you know what they call
Alternative medicine that's been proved to work?
Medicine.'"
@@azeon562 sounds about right
Search for Rickey Gervais alternative medicine
There's no such thing as alternative medicine; there's medicine and there's bullshit. In most cases, it's snake oil, more expensive and less effective.
My mother also died from pancreatic cancer. This has been undiagnosed for years as she only had skin symptoms. Only a GP doing a routine thing saw her skin issues and suggested her to check for cancer, which she had.
7 years of cancer, 7 years of recurring skin issues that a chief dermatologist in hospital hasn't seen as being cancer but picked up by a young and random GP...
When she was diagnosed, it already metastasized and rounf of chemo didn't help, as the cancer became suddenly more aggressive.
What kind of skin issues?
@@illustriouschin In specifically glugagonoma, excessive release of glucagon can result in a red rash, or blisters on the skin.
So sorry that happened to your mom and you. Heartbreaking.
97% survival rate, he chose all the methods that provides a 1% survival rate combined.
Sometimes bad people takes themselves out for the good of humanity.
Yet we use the very tech he embraced and created…..
@Khaliil bin Ammar he was angry and egoistic as far as i have read but many ppl are like that especially today and that wud be insignificant when compared to his inventions lol
@@Medicoboi he and his company became obscenely rich on the backs of modern slaves in third world countries
@@luisa146 and people perpetuate it like crazy. then complain about black slavery that was ended 150+ years ago
@Khaliil bin Ammar , he treated servers and restaurant staff in general like trash. Source: a friend of mine who worked as a sous chef in a restaurant where top people from Apple often ate
Personally, I do not trust people who treat those in subservient roles badly.
My half sister's dad was diagnosed with bowel cancer. He got surgery and just like that, 3 months later there's nothing left. Modern medicine makes wonders, if you follow it.
Same with my dad and aggressive prostate cancer. They cut it out, saw they didn’t quite get the margins, and then blasted the remaining cells with tomotherapy, finishing it off. He’s still cancer free decades later.
A man did this to his mother, a friend of mine. She was so confident in him because he truly believed in what he was saying. Near her death, she expressed her deep regret for not getting the surgery and chemo. The diagnosis came early and she just didn’t want to be sick from the chemo when all she (thought) she needed to do was improve her diet.
How did the son react? Probably with an excuse.... those people never change
Very sad. And her son must be eaten up with regret and guilt.
When a doctor says traditional treatment he means modern medicine
That is traditional medicine because it's what the worlds medical traditions built up to minus the things that couldn't be proven to work.
Surgery has existed for over 3000 years.
The Romans, Aztecs & ancient Chinese all practiced it.
Surgery is far more ancient & traditional than all the modern quackery going around.
@Chris B traditional medicine is medicine. alternative medicine is the contrast to common or traditional medicine
@Chris B yea u should do that
@Chris B ?? i didnt say anything wrong what are you smoking 😭
He was one of the worst examples of humanity and he exploited everyone around him.
Yep, he's up there with Stalin and Hitler
@@_wayward_494 ?
Who do you mean steve ?
Who do you mean steve ?
@@Grove-street677 Yeah, from what I've heard he was quite emotionally abusive and manipulative and essentially disowned his young daughter
Same thing happened to my mums aunt. She had a very small tumour. The doctors thought it'd be gone in one surgery. Instead she went on special milk and oils. Her cancer got so bad that before she died she was on the heaviest medication that the hospital had and had a terrible death. She wanted to avoid traditional medication but ended up using way more than the averagevcancer patient.
What a waste resources. They should've refused the drugs.
@@JanneBernards
I think she would have refused if she wasn't in so much pain. Her husband was very controlling so I think it was mostly his pride that killed her. (Didn't want to admit that the doctors were right)
His children kicked him out and he is now married to a woman who is 40 years younger than him and living in small government housing.
They were living with their rich son before and had imported oils and health milks, chiropractors etc.
So if they had just listened to the doctor they both would still be living a great life right now.
😂 milk and oils. As a believer in herb medicine she used snake oil. Maybe if it was skin cancer they would work.
@@BarrelTitor91
No even if it was skin cancer it would not have worked. It was nonpasteurised milk. They couldn't buy it for drinking so bought it for 'beauty'. As they didn't live near a farm and you can't buy nonpasteurised milk for consumption in Australia. (That isn't to drink right away).
Oils and milks would never help with any type cancer.
I am all for holistic treatment but that should include medical treatment as well.
Agreed. Once the cancer takes root, deal with removing it. then fix your routine to support healing and strengthen defenses against the cancer's return. Then your body can work on mitigating any stray cancer cells that may emerge.
I definitely agree. Once removed or treated with everything that can be done, you need to approach your health from every angle possible. Can’t go back to eating poorly and expect your body to heal or defend itself.
Perfect example of smart people doing stupid things. He arrogantly thought he knew more than his doctors.
Call me dumb, cause i would never go to one either.
@@jjjsmith2497 and you are dumb, cause when death comes at your doorstep, you'll do nothing but whimper in silence. Good luck with that
@@jjjsmith2497 for stupid reasons ofcourse?
Doctors can be wildly incompetent
Woz was the smart one Jobs was only there for the aesthetics
If a Alternative medicine turns out to work then it just becomes medicine
No not true.
Look at what they said about ivermectin and Joe rogan. Even though ivermectin was proven safe they sold a false narrative. That's just one largely known example. We must never forget these things. The government and the health industry as a whole doesn't care about you. The health INDUSTRY... that's why people in America pay exorbitant amounts for needed medicine while people in Canada pay pennies on the dollar. The corruption is deep Satan is the ruler of Earth until Jesus comes back and sets it right.
Even an unbeliever can see the wicked truth if they try and do not forget the true injustices that people in power have been committing forever.
Luke 12
35 “Be ready and dressed. Have your lights burning. 36 Be like men who are waiting for their owner to come home from a wedding supper. When he comes and knocks on the door, they will open it for him at once. 37 Those servants are happy when their owner finds them watching when he comes. For sure, I tell you, he will be dressed and ready to care for them. He will have them seated at the table. 38 The owner might come late at night or early in the morning. Those servants are happy if their owner finds them watching whenever he comes. 39 But understand this, that if the owner of a house had known when the robber was coming, he would have been watching. He would not have allowed his house to be broken into. 40 You must be ready also. The Son of Man is coming at a time when you do not think He will come.”
Aint that the truth. If alternate medicine worked we wouldn't be calling it alternate
@@Nictator42The title “alternative medicine” isn’t used because it doesn’t work. It’s because it’s not part of mainstream/commonly used methods. There are many rare diseases that are often treated with “alternative medicine” because mainstream treatment isn’t working. Don’t be a moron
@@Nictator42some alternate or what people call alternate do help with certain often limited often diet based or lifestyle based illnesses a few multivitamins isn’t going to stop cancer
There is many alternative medicines that actually work... They have known effects on the body... I use aloe gel, literally from the plant itself for skin irritation and burns and just general skin healing. I use omega oil for wounds to help prevent scarring. I use ginger and honey in warm water to gargle/drink for soar throats. Breath peppermint oil for alertness, breath lavender to help me sleep... All of these things have peer reviewed papers proving they work and none of them are even remotely pharmaceutical. That being said I don't know of any herb, root, or otherwise that is known to deal with cancer. I imagine if such a thing existed it would be something people are killed for.
You know what they call alternative medicine that actually works?
Medicine.
Well that wouldn't make it alternative lol
I don't understand theses people ! My cancer is inoperable I'd give my soul and more for a simple surgery.
Sad but at least this way these nutcases leave more medical help for people who really want it.
@@ggmanatee That's the point. It's alternative because it doesn't work.
@@OutsiderLabs HAHHAHAHHA where did you get your education? Genuine curious as you seems to think alternative option means not-working option.
Which literally would mean its NOT an alternative but hey, you must know better 🤣🤣 since alternative solutions to you mean, not working-solutions, which is an oxymoron.. since it wouldnt be a solution if its not working... 🤣🤣 but again, you must know better.
@@OutsiderLabs wild guess, are you from USA and confusing this with alternative facts which just are false?
Do you now think alternative means false? 🤣🤣
he probably thought he could "make it" with his stubborn attitude like he did with company
And Jobs got fired as CEO of his own company. And yes you have to have a con do attitude in business.
Preach! My own mother wanted to question doctors when I was diagnosed with brain cancer!!! I was so angry at her it’s ridiculous where people end up purely because of good marketing. Naturally I got surgery I’m lucky to have all the good type of mutations that grant a slow growing tumor (brain cancer can never be fully removed and always grows back). I didn’t even have chemo or radiation because the approach is to wait until next time when it’s grown back so I look completely healthy. People have to open their eyes and see natural remedies for what they are.
How did you get that cancer in the first place. Hint the modern farming system with pesticides and cancer causing agents. So you have to reply on both modern medicine and traditional ancient medicines to lead a healthy life.
@@GowthamV07 Probably not unless he had such a large dose of herb aside maybe it's genetic Is maybe there's there's a lot of carcinogens In his environment but a lot of things are carcinoge and it's just the dose
@@GowthamV07 Could be that, or could be breathing exhaust fumes in a City with many cars.
There is no avoiding ot sometimes.
I’ve seen a couple of different interviews of people who had brain tumours/cancer and went to a complete carnivore diet. The cancer shrank and hasn’t returned in years.
@@amyfu2047 So did survive people who jumped in the middle of the street with busy traffic: Evidence is anecdotal and lacking, which should be a given to not try it for anybody, but apparently, some people do actually believe in fairy tales and think one sip of snake oil is enough to cure all illments known to humankind.
What's worse about this is that he left it too late and had a liver transplant. This obviously didn't save his life.
His arrogance not only cost him his own life, but potentially the life of someone else.
They usually don't take your liver for a transplant if you are healthy and, you know, still need it to survive. If they take your liver, you are either dead or dying
Man must have had one of *those* moms growing up
Haha for real
Actually he did, if I remember correctly his parents were “health nuts,” if I’m not mistaken.
That is how my dad is. Alternative medicine all the way.
Vick's Vaporub on the chest. Fixes everything.
@@morganfreeman5972 💯!! Never fails! And it smells so goood
Not only that, his pre-cancer Diet probably gave him Pancreatic Cancer. Ashton Kutcher played Jobs in the movie... Jobs. Ashton decided to try Jobs' nut and seed based diet and after a couple months at most, ended up in hospital, because his Pancreas crashed on him.
Cancer started the attack, but hubris took his life.
Damn
Same thing happened to my friends friend. By the time it was obvious that Riki wasn't the solution it was too late despite having an appointment with some of the leading doctors of his cancer he still listened to the wrong people
I lost my piano teacher because she chose to treat her lung cancer with holistic health only. She was an extremely loving woman. Traditional and holistic can work together but never just on their own.
Bro wanted juice to cure his cancer 💀💀
A man's ego is one of his biggest downfalls, sure egos are necessary. But you gotta keep it in check or you'll end up in jail or dead.
I had my appendix surgery back in 2019, it really got rotten in my body and was becoming painful and threatening day by day, I had to go for surgery, people used to tell me different opinions and options to cure it other than surgery, but you just can't take risks with health. If it gets worse it can be deadly
What kind of moron would think a ruptured/about-to-rupture appendix could be treated by ANYthing other than surgery?? It can kill you within HOURS, and it can't be fucking fixed with fantastical bullshit. I hope those morons aren't able to convince anyone else who needs an appendectomy to refuse it.
I am all about treating things naturally if possible. HOWEVER-when I was diagnosed with endometrial cancer, I couldn't WAIT to get that cut out of me!
Modern medicine is natural ..
@@winwinmilieudefensie7757 hopefully you know what I mean. Holistically, without chemo or radiation, etc.
I mean, hemlock is natural but Socrates would agree that it's not healthy lol
RIGHT??? I didn't have a cancer, I had a fibroadenoma, it's not a terrible thing, and you can live for decades with it, but that thing bothered me so much, I wanted it OUT! When the surgeon came to discuss how the surgery would be done, he explained some more things about it, that I either missed or my doc didn't mention, and the thing tha freaked me out was that those things CALCIFY! they turn into rocks! I imagined having a fall with a rock in my chest, and if there were any obscure doubts, they were immediately gone. GET IT OUT!
How can you possibly NOT want to get rid of a ticking time bomb in your body? preferably immediately?
It's beyond my understanding.
@@MysteryUser-Who-Is-Mysterious I hear you! I think we instinctively want to remove things which don't belong.
My aunt had cervical cancer. Mom did too. When I started getting fibroids I took action. My doctor said if I waited a year I would have cervical cancer. Your are correct we must get treatment where we can live. I told my only daughter if she started having problems please get the surgery to live. Thank you ❤
I had the same kind and it was found in time. The doctor said that it was almost to the stage that if I waited l, I would need the Whipple surgery. Thankfully it was removed and I haven't had a recurrence since. It's been almost 10 years.
Congratulations on 10 years!!
@@horsepanther ♥️
This is EXACTLY my moms situation, she recently got diagnosed with a cancer very similar to Steve Jobs', there is a surgery with a good chance of success, but she choose to do "alternative" treatment instead. I'm afraid it won't go well...
tell her bro fast! show this vid!
I'm sorry to hear that, it's really hard to convince people who believe these crazy ideas but I hope she comes to her senses.
Working in oncology, pancreatic cancers (if she has one of those) are so agressive you should spend alot of time with her while you still have the chance. Months rather than years.
I find it incredible, we lose people daily in regret of not finding out earlier. The few lucky ones diagnosted early sometimes refuse treatment, often out of stupidity and ignorance. You cannot sugarcoat it.
It is hard to feel empathy when they're back half a year later on the brink of death, pushing the fault to you because you can't help them anymore.
Your mum has the full right to let nature take over and refuse treatment. But I hope she is aware that's a death sentence within very few years unless she is the 1 in 1000.
Please show her this video and the comment section, I hope it wasn't too late and she has changed her mind by now ❤
Bro do it fast
Make the surgery happen
Even you have to Put her in sleep or something
My family also uses ayurvedic medicines for basic stuff cold , fever etc
But we know where it's limits are
Not just me any certified ayurvedic doctor would say the same
A friend of mine went to a healer when he got diagnosed with non hodgkin lymphoma. The therapy was not invasive.
The healer urged my friend to still get the chemo as scheduled, saying "I'm helping getting better faster, and you should absolutely follow your doctor's advice."
Thankfully, he did. Got married about two years later and hve two kids now.
See, these alternatives could be ok as long as they’re in conjunction with not instead of. My classmate wanted me to drop my Dr and my Cancer treatment and only drink Shakology Shakes to “cure” my cancer! I was shocked to learn She died of cancer a yr later! She never told anyone she had cancer! That company convinced her they’d found the cure and turned her into a pushy obnoxious PIA! They had her believing she’d be rich & famous when she was cured! Instead I’m here, alive & cancer Free and She’s dead.
I don’t understand how an intelligent person could ignore her Drs. A drink like slim fast is not a cancer cure
If you add 0 to 1 it's still 1, same as if you have chemotherapy and do some bs like running around a campfire daily, the chemos going to do all the work, making the cancer go away.
lmfao the "healer"s only job is to redirect them to actual medical help
@@zebragoboom well, why he trusted more a healer than his own family or friends?? That give you food for thought about how afraid we are sometimes to share with our family.
@@jenniferd264 Unfortunately people who believe in some alternatives usually end up only believing in them. If you start to think that there are effective non invasive treatments with no downsides and doctors just aren't smart or good enough to provide them, dismissing all real medicine isn't much of a leap anymore.
If my mother did this, I'd tell her to just whip up her will, because I don't think I'd be able to bare trying to argue with someone I love while they're slowly dying of curable causes because of their own ignorance...
If it is operable & you can afford it, GET THE OPERATION! You can still do the nontraditional/alternative methods pre & post op! If you have access to the best of both worlds...ACCESS THEM BOTH!
Its sad that we have to say "if you can afford it" when talking about life saving medicine. What a barbaric society we have.
This
yeah, you can do the alternative medicine and the actual medicine, but it's the same as just doing the actual medicine alone.
@@zebragoboomnot even that, often the alternative medicine is straight up toxic and dangerous, people like literally ingesting themselves with cyanide because some quack told them it would cure them.
We’re grateful for his contributions here in Memphis. Our largest medical and teaching hospital got a nice upgrade after he helped. Sad we couldn’t help him here.
I also believe that most things have an alternate route to curing. But I most definitely wouldn't fuck around with cancer.
Never mess with pancreatic cancer. When i was am acute nurse, no one I knew survived this. Get it sorted as ASAP. Soft tissue and organs are very fragile and easily spread.
Conventional medicine should work alongside complementary but with conventional as the main aspect. Complementary can be very beneficial for well-being
Yes, some of it does show evidence of be by beneficial, especially with pain management.
Which is why it should be "complementary", not "alternative".
Yes...I would agree, use both alternative and traditional together.
One of the higher up doctors at the Hospital where my brother works used to say: "a drug/medicine without side effects, doesn't have a main effect either"
Whats the side effects of curcumin?
@@myopinions1actually there are a lot of side effects to curcumin (dose matters) and not as much benefits as people tell each other. I researched that topic (pharmaceutical biochemist) during my master few years ago and read every study available. I'm actually eating curcumin but i'd never try to cure anything else than small things with that.
@@myopinions1that's not a drug
I suppose insulins side effect is the tiny hole in you you have to make to get it there 😂
@@blindbrad4719Hypoglycemia is insulin's side effect.
Never knew this. How foolish of him.
After he realized he needed real treatment he used his wealth to skip the line for a transplant.
@@gregclough966 The guy behind him died too, so did Jobs. So a perfectly fine organ was wasted.
My aunt was diagnosed with cancer in 2021, may last year we thought she was about to die, she was in really bad shape. After changing to a different oncology team she is getting better everyday, is nothing short of a miracle but we know it was the additional surgeries, chemo and radio that helped her.
Steve Jobs likely got Pancreatic cancer due to his lifelong diet choices.
He was a Fruitarian for decades before he developed cancer.
Eating foods high in sugars isn’t good for the health of a Pancreas.
His rare form of Pancreatic cancer was slowing growing than typically aggressive and rapidly fatal pancreatic adenosarcoma.
His was an Islet cell tumour, or Gastroenteropancreatic neuroendocrine tumour (GEP-NET).
His lifestyle definitely played a role in this.
I agree. I’m all for natural healing but when it comes to cancer, you don’t mess with that. No plant, no juice, no nothing will help.
You’re right! Cutting out all plant foods is what will help. Carnivore!!
Even so, a person should use every tool available to their advantage! Clean eating plus medical intervention is the best bet for survival.
But sometimes when all medical options have been exhausted the only options are non-medical and sometimes they work.
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@@petraliverani1247Or they do not work because it’s cancer.
You don't go to the acupuncturist while you're bleeding out. You go after to deal with scars, helping you nourish your blood, deal with some emotional issues.
Yes acupuncture and other traditional Chinese medicine (or whatever country it's from) is really only to improve Ur general health. Remembered getting a high fever and my parent forcing me to drink disgusting Chinese medicine instead of going to the hospital until I told her I had to go to the hospital. God I hate these lunatics.
Not true
@@alcyonecrucis not true how? I am speaking about American acupuncture in particular where triage is not part of treatment. From my understanding in China doctors learn acupuncture to a degree as part of their training and can specialize, but I may be wrong.
@@inues Apple fanboy baby
@@raconteurboy6640tf does anything he said show he’s fanboying apple you sound more like a baby crying about it 😂
Sad, but foolish. Hopefully others can learn from his mistakes
I had a friend who had ovarian and breast cancer. She went to a clinic out of the country, paid a flat fee and was cancer free. The clinic had actual doctors who let you know if you are a candidate for alternative treatment. They support you if you want the traditional stuff, but can help you if you come early enough.
His narcissism took his life.
Steve's Breifly Explained Video👇
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I wonder if his narc brain imploded when he realized his idiocy meant his death.
@@sorvex9disgusting and rude
Hmm. . Compared to the floaters now lumping up the surface (musk, zuck), jobs wasn't all that bad, and actually was an intelligent visionary. But yeah, so it goes.
@ If you examine his relationship with his daughter, he was pretty disgusting.
I agree. All the PT in the world won't help my degenerative disc disease. It's helpful before and after surgery, but only surgery stops the deep grinding bone on bone pain and neuropathy.
Degenerative disc disease is caused by chronic dehydration.
@@StraitjacketFitness According to who?
To be fair physical therapy is at least evidence based and effective unlike those juices.
Sadly, Bob Marly had a similar situation. He had a cancer growth on his foot. He figured the natural stuff would save him. It spreaded and killed him, at less than 40 years of age😢
As I understand it, Marley died at 27. I'd always heard the story in the form that he'd simply not recognised that the brown marking on his foot (or under a toenail) was melanoma and so he didn't seek treatment until it was too late.
The greatest trick Steve Jobs has ever pulled off was convincing the world that Apple products are innovative.
the greatest trick was convincing the world that he took part in designing those products when actually he was just the PR guy.
And that his logo has nothing to do with the garden of Eden.
@@pysq8 I'm curious, what does it have to do with it?
@@trip_t2122 a bitten apple... garden of Eden 👀 you know the original Apple computers sold for $666 👀
@@pysq8 Thanks for replying. After digging around however I don't agree so much with that. But thanks anyway.
The difference between an optimist and a pessimist and a realist. The optimist, the cup is half full. The pessimist, the cup is half empty. The realist, this is piss not water.
Seriously Underrated!
My mom would've loved this saying 😆
He died as he lived: thinking he's the smartest guy in the room.
If an ACTUAL Doctor says Cancer and CURE in the same sentence!!! You best believe I’m listening!
It should also be up to us what treatment we seek. I have never agreed with forcing someone to undergo a treatment they arent comfortable with. As more and more people start refusing these traditional treatments maybe there is something to be said of that. We should always be researching and trying new alternatives.
New and PROVEN alternative
Not just new alternative
@@greedisbad9890 Hence why I said research and try...meaning full research including human trials. Research doesn't just include text 😉.
The only thing to be said about people dodging real treatments is that it shows just how powerful misinformation and people selling snake oil can be. When you get cancer drink all the Miracle mineral Solution you want 😂
The libertarian in me says, "Yes, people should be allowed to choose, even when it's not in their best interests." Other parts say, "Not if it's a child or someone who is unable to make the choice under their own steam!"
And I certainly feel a lot of frustration when people make choices that are clearly not in their best interests and then stick to them through hell and high water, despite the fact that it is becoming increasingly obvious that the "alternative treatment" is doing fuck all to cure them.
That’s very sad he didn’t make it in time! Want to Thank you for being on here😊 All of my relatives are in England 🏴 Never got to meet them, but it’s great listening to you’re accent makes me feel at home 😊
That's why I have to stop my eyes from rolling back into my head when I hear about organic food.
That label is stupid anyways.
I think they confused organic with uncontaminated which is basically impossible unless you grow your food isolated from everything.
Okay, so don’t eat organic. But people who don’t eat a dogshit diet are a lot less likely to get cancer anyway. Good luck
Organic food is supposed to be pesticide free. It may have traces from neighboring areas. Still, it should be lower.
Science suggests that feeding children organic food before age two is helpful. After age 2 it is debatable.
@@Catlily5 they still use pesticides on organic foods, just different kinds. Sometimes the alternative pesticides are worse though.
@@WouldntULikeToKnow. Sorry. I should have said that they aren't allowed to use chemicals on the food.
Like I said studies have shown that before age two it can be good for health to eat organic food. That would suggest that overall organic food isn't worse. After age 2 there is no proven benefit.
Also don’t forget that after he ruined his own survival chances he stole a pancreas from someone else in a bid to save himself. Truly a selfish man
You n I would as well wtf
@@skmanny2525 no. “You n I” wouldn’t have the money to do what he did.
You can only apply for organs in the state you live in, but not when you’re a billionaire like Steve. He was put on registerys in every state and got a pancreas that someone else was supposed to get
@@skmanny2525 not if I knew I was dying bc of my own stupidity.
@Crucisphinx Not a stupid, do you know what the person was thinking? Maybe they're afraid of dying on the surgery table and truly believe other methods would work. It's not that simple unless you're in that situation. Also, it doesn't matter if you're stupid or smart. Majority of us would get desperate in the face of death and would do anything to survive.
How does one steal a pancreas?
Grew up in a religion with some fringe aspects. I know so many stories like this it’s depressing.
Just goes to show, the only thing we will never learn to cure, is stupid.
I love how he is calling science based medicine traditional and alternative care as non traditional. This is how it should be.
You have to change your thoughts too. Be forgiving. Stop living in anger.
The idea that people can heal using strictly non-traditional methods seems to have become quite common. Do you think it would help to educate the public on exactly how traditional methods help people? Maybe there's some trust in science-backed medicine that has been lost by the public.
He also had an extremely poor diet. He was a fruitarian and refused to incorporate more balanced food to his diet 'till the very end.
He was a fruitarian?? Lunacy.
I had stg4 cancer in my sinus. I had surgery and radiotherapy but also hyperbaric oxygen therapy, and supplements such as Reishi . I'm clear of cancer 6yrs and it ain't coming back ❤
"I will not die but live and declare the works of the Lord"
Bhai, aapki approach to medicine bahut sahi hai. We need to find the right balance, to be able to allow for room, for the patient, to find acceptance. But, it is a tricky situation, when a person who has always been healthy, finds it difficult to accept such a situation. 🙏
My mother did the same thing. I think it was for the best to be honest - not because the alternative stuff worked, it didn't, but because her risk of death was super high anyway, and she got to die at home, the way she wanted to go, in a familiar environment, with minimal hospital trauma. The times she did go to hospital were atrocious, they treated her like absolute dogsh!t and it still makes me unhealtily angry to think about. If i face the same situation i'll do the same frankly, but with even less hospital. Animals know how to die and it's something humans could do with relearning too.
Or you could opt for proper hospice care at home. Look into hospice nurses that visit homes.
I’m with you @vacafuga
I've had cancer 3x. Three different cancers. 2010. 2014. 2020. Each time I asked my doctors who'd they'd go to, or send the person they love most. Did everything each expert said. Going on 14 yrs from the first cancer. Had I not had the surgery & radiation, I wouldn't have lived to get the other two.
Early diagnosis is critical. Get checked. Be proactive. Don't be afraid. Don't fall for quacks who will only take your money. It's the best time in the history of humanity to get cancer. And it's only getting better - but you have to go to real doctors.
There is a reason why doctors are doctors and engineers are engineers
He wasn't an engineer He paid them though.
It's so weird how people who are looked at as being extremely smart, doing things that nothing but superstition.
Everyone has weaknesses in their intellect. If you realize that you can get help from others. I wonder if he was too stubborn to listen to other people around him.
He wasn't "extremely smart", he was just the PR and marketing guy, the products were actually developed by other people.
@@Catlily5 ah yes, the nuance that i forgot. I keep thinking "being smart" is like having a good foundation, but it's more like just hording information.
@@waroftheworlds2008 There are many types of intelligence. More than the two you mentioned.
@@oenrn He was a Genius "marketing Guy”, good hardware doesn’t sell alone.
This is actually fascinating: One of the most successful founder/executives in history had such poor judgement.
Truly a tragedy. He came to a meeting at our company, and I was basically a newbie nobody and after the meeting he came back and thanked me for the one thing I did, and had remembered my first name. He had a sincerity and awareness few do.
Cancer is a black mamba don’t play with it.
If you find out about what a terrible and cruel father he was, it's not that sad that he passed away. Hope his daughter finds peace❤
100% he was a monster
My sister was on chemotherapy after her mastectomy. The chemo gave her leukaemia 10 years after remission and she was unable to have further treatment because of it. Cheap passed away last February after falling over and hitting her head. Her blood platelets were so very thin and they couldn't stop the bleed. I miss her so much😢
Some people think they know better than the entire accumulated knowledge of the human race till now about human body
Bro.. Don't forget all "theories" out there making people think they are way smarter than others
Funniest thing about it all is that most medications - and especially chemotherapy - are directly derived from plants. They're extracts that are often modified to make them more effective, cleaner, and to have fewer side effects.
All of big pharam's products are imitations of chemical reactions that take place in natural life! Including petroleum!😅
Sad and disgusting how cancer treatments are so limited for all the time and money they’ve put into it.
Cures don’t make money. Needing several round of a toxic sludge that kills cancer by destroying everything else too also leads to needing more medicine of different kinds. It’s about making money.
But keto and carnivore are the best diets to improve your chances of survival.
"Even the smartest people can make stupid mistakes" -Someone probably
My mom did go through proper treatment (immunotherapy)but i added tumeric and black pepper along with high doses of CBD with minuscule amounts of THC. Stage 4 metastatic melanoma (brain and lungs) 5 years ago, last 2 years she has been in remission
You should havr asked drs first. Sometimes even things like that can interfere with medicine and reduce efficacy.
Call it a hunch but I don’t think it’s the weed that cured her💀