I love that if you kill Gortash and then use the talk to dead spell, it's not him who you talk to. It is his dark patron, Bane, who talks back, and makes it clear that Gortash's soul is too preoccupied to answer you due to being tortured eternally by him. What an absolute (pun intended) unit!
Also, Gortash has no intention of actually sharing power with you. He's Bane's chosen, the guy loves to deceive people, you don't think he wouldn't be able to lie inside his own mind to better trick people? You have a tadpole in your head, he doesn't. Do the math.
How are you not gonna have Magus of Chrono Trigger here?! Everyone is led to believe that he's summoning the big bad of the game, Lavos, to destroy/rule the world, but he's been trying for over 9,000 years to summon him for the sole purpose of destroying Lavos before the planetary parasite could fully mature and destroy the world on Emergence Day in 1999. He was basically trying to solo the questline altogether before you came along and realized your goals aligned.
1. It's a bit misleading to say that "he's been trying for over 9000 years" when actually he's only in his 20s/30s. 2. He wasn't exactly doing what he did for such heroic and altruistic reasons. Not at least until he joins up with the gang. He was doing it purely to take revenge on Lavos for taking Schala and to a smaller extent, also his home away from him.
Shadowtrap from The Pre-Sequel: He was an ally to Claptrap all along. He just wanted Claptrap to stand up to people who didn't respect him and warned him not to trust his "friends." In the end he was proven right and is the only reason Claptrap survived being shot by Handsome Jack (so technically, it is thanks to Shadowtrap that Handsome Jack gets to be defeated by BL2).
Whats crazy about Shadowtrap is he is also the left over subroutine of the program that made all the claptraps go crazy and actually fight back in the Claptrap revolution dlc for the first game, and even then it's focus was to keep claptraps alive and free from the abuse everyone was giving them.
Fallouts Father is NOT a secret ally lmao Hes a fair-weather friend who only allies with you if you do what he wants you to, just like the other factions
To be fair he was secretly you all along and is the cause of his own girlfriends death, past girlfriend? ex girlfriend? I don't know how to label that one
Rudolph from Fire Emblem Echoes. He attacked Mila because he was trying to prevent their deity from being corrupted like Duma and to show that people should not heavily depend on Mila's blessings. Rudolph is literally Alm's father who planned on dying to his son and leaving his kingdom in Alm's capable hands.
@@stevenlannister184I know it goes against what the game is trying to tell, but you can grind out the necessary gold at the blacksmith and have all the good choices lol
No mention of Prince Logan from Fable 3? He knew that MC was a “Hero” and that he was not. You were the only thing that could stop the encroaching darkness and so he did terrible things to force you to seek allies and git gud in order to stop it.
Kain? Like, Legacy of Kain's Kain? The one who seemingly sets off the end of the world in Blood Omen, turns into the most persistent, constant "final boss" of the series, only to find at the very end that he's the *savior* of Nosgoth, and that you - as Raziel - were always meant to heal his black heart and be the loyal blade by his side? I thought for sure he'd be on here, but I guess poor ol' Kain's been forgotten.
I mean Kain was the protagonist of the Blood Omen games and then becomes the antagonist in Legacy of Kain which always left me a bit sad but sceptical. So yeah i guess i was right
TL:DR He is if you're also a despotic psychopath who doesn't view synths as people. But he is the reason you're free. Depending on the kind of choices you make, if you're going for evil/bigot/despot, he'd make fast friends. The only constant that made the institute the villain up until you meet father is they have your kid. Well, he is your kid, how about now? Although I didn't like the idea of my character having such a railroad of an origins story, it is a pretty good twist. Makes the player question this. You want your son to be a good guy. And he does seem intelligent and compassionate in some ways. But depending on your stance on synths' autonomy, there are implicit red flags from the beginning. Red flags that don't really lower the more you dig.
Their is also controversy if he is actually the protagonist real son . A dark theorie is that the actual son died while his DNA was extracted, and Father is actually his clone . And if you know anything about clones in Fallout like the Gary ones , they have tendencies to develop psychotic problems .
Gortash fully intends on betraying the Dark Urge too. The entire thing between the three chosen of the Dead Three was that only one could claim the control of the crown at the end, they all planned to kill each other. Gortash is a master mannipulator, he uses and then throws them away when he no longer needs them. He did it to Karlach, the other two Chosen, and he would've done it the Dark Urge if the opportunity arose.
You can read Gortash's mind. Gortash has no intention of betraying the Dark Urge, or of betraying Karlach again if you do an evil ending in her Origin playthrough. He's extremely enthused she's stopped acting like a lackey and buoyant about their future co-rule. Apparently, both aloud and if you use telepathy, he thought she was spineless and hated she always did what she was told no questions asked their first time around. His reaction to Karlach is right in line with the narration that he missed The Dark Urge being unafraid to meet him with pushback in their parallel version of the conversation. The Dark Urge, on the other hand, promises his father he'll betray Gortash in a letter written to Bhaal pre-game. So it might have ended poorly.
It's pretty clear neither you nor the writers ever played Pokemon Black/White, because that's not the story _at all._ N starts out as being fully on-board with Team Plasma, but starts having doubts as a consequence of your very first encounter with him (which is in the very first town you travel to, before even getting your very first Gym Badge). Doubts that keep getting more and more difficult to ignore. It's only when his father, Ghetsis reveals that Team Plasma's real goal is to ensure only _he_ (Ghetsis) has Pokemon, that a horrified N actually turns to your side. It's in Black/White 2 that Team Plasma's hardliners turn genocidal (with those who... well, aren't crazy/brainwashed being quite opposed to their new plans).
Baldur’s Gate 3 technically has several, and it can depend on your choices. Minthara is initially set up as a major antagonist and can even be a boss fight in Act I before joining you in Act II, and you’re initially told you have to KILL Karlach and she’s a much bigger monster than she actually is. Far Cry 4 also pulls it on a smaller scale with Noore. She’s set up as one of Pagan’s generals but once you actually meet her she begins secretly helping you against Pagan and it eventually turns out she has pretty good reason to want him dealt with. In Assassin’s Creed Odyssey you spend most of the game killing members of the Cult of Cosmos, but when you finally get to the last one, the one supposedly running it, you learn she actually WANTED you to destroy it, mainly because it had lost sight of it’s original goals after its members became corrupted by being overwhelmed with power.
with farcry 4 id also mention that the golden path is honestly worse then pagan min... its funny that the only good options in farcry 4 and 5 is to just do nothing
@@jessicamason2526 Not neccessarily. That ending has Pagan Min basically hand a war-torn country over to a guy with zero political or military leadership experience or even any real knowledge of Kyrat's geography or culture. That would pretty much mean making Ajay a target of the Golden Path, and possibly leave the government even more vulnerable. I know Pagan thinks he's doing you a favor but he really didn't think this one through. So it doesn't really make things a whole lot better. If anything it allows Pagan Min to get off scott-free for all his crimes while throwing an innocent man under the bus. Best case scenario Ajay has to become an even bigger tyrant in order to fight back, worst case scenario he gets easily overthrown and executed which would inevitably lead to further infighting within the Golden Path leading to further civil war.
@@HitchcockJohn as opposed to under Amita, Kyrat becomes a Totalitarian Drug state, running on forced labor and fear with a sprinkling of the use of child soldiers, or under Sabal it becoming a totalitarian religious extremist state/ theocracy which massacres people for the slightest infraction against the established religion? sorry but again im siding with ajay being the better option
Glad to finally see this list pop up, but I'm stunned that Jeane in the first Bayonetta didn't make the cut. Until her face turn just before pursuing Father Balder, she seemed like she was purely an enemy.
You also could have chosen Balthazar from Baldur's Gate: Throne of Bhaal. The main villains of the expansion pack are a group of Bhaalspawn called The Five. Which, as soon as you meet Balthazar, you should have no trouble guessing that he is one of them. But unlike the other four, who wanted to become gods after eliminating all of the other Bhaalspawn and absorbing their power, Balthazar's intention is to commit a ritual suicide after absorbing all of their power so that there will be NO god of murder.
Sarevok , who was the antagonist of the first game, can also become your ally in Throne of Bhaal if you ressurect him. And you can even influence him to become chaotic good.
That's ok, he had no real intention of honoring his deal and sharing power. No matter how much you determine he's not lying, the motherfucker is lying. That's what he does.
Thank you Jules for doing a proper sign off at the end. It's something I have been missing from the whatculture of past. Abruptly ending a video without a word feels so...icky.
Magus in Chrono Trigger. Being told the entire game up to that point that he's the main baddy, slogging through his castle, narrowly beating him in an epic battle...only to learn that he was trying to kill the REAL main baddy, just like you, all along, and the game wasn't even half done...THAT was a twist.
Another one from a relatively recent game is Yorinobu Arasaka. If you play through The Devil ending you find out that he is just as much of an enemy to the corp as you are.
Other options: Proto-Man (Mega Man 3): Spends most of the game randomly attacking you in selected levels mid-quest, only to eventually rescue you from Dr. Wily at the end of the game. Knuckles (Sonic3/Sonic and Knuckles): Proves to be a right royal nuisance for most of Sonic 3, whereby it’s also implied that he’s working for Dr. Eggman, only for it to be revealed that the two of you have a common enemy in the (not so good) doctor of cybernetics. Estelle Aguirre (Streets of Rage 4): Twice throughout the main story of SOR4 do your heroes encounter the Rhonda Rousey inspired SWAT officer Estelle Aguirre, who seems Hell-bent on booking for the aggravated assault of her crooked cop colleagues. Thankfully, following your second encounter aboard the Sky Train, she instead chooses to join you on your crusade against the Y Twins. She then becomes a playable character with some of the best moves in the game. Vincent (Silent Hill 3): This creepy cleric and academic who resembles an anorexic version of 1990s Bill Pullman always seems to appear out of nowhere to harass Heather when she needs it the least. In fact, for much of the narrative you’re almost certain that Vincent is manipulating Heather in much the same way that Dahlia Gillespie manipulated Heather’s father Harry in the original Silent Hill game. This being said, creepy as his is, Vincent ultimately has the same goal as Heather. Both want to stop Claudia from bringing the demonic ‘God’ of the town back to life, though both have very different methods for doing so. Flamethrower man (Until Dawn): Of the 3 antagonists that dog the characters of Until Dawn, the Flamethrower Man is the most misunderstood because, much like the Hacketts in The Quarry, he’s not trying to harm the teens but trying to protect them from the far greater threat of the wendigos that infest the mountain where the game is set. Virgil (Devil May Cry 3): Despite eventually becoming the big bad for DMC5, Dante’s twin brother proves a priceless asset during the final battle of DMC3. Yes, he does act like a cross between Albert Wesker from ResEvil and Seifer Almassy from FFVIII. Yes, he does severely wound Dante midway through the game. But much like Trish in the original DMC, or even Dante himself in DMC4; his face-turn in the final reel only makes that last boss victory all the more sweet. Plus, if Virgil didn’t make his supreme sacrifice at the end of the game there’d likely be no franchise.
I’m gonna bend the rules a bit by saying Ardyn Izunia in FF15. If the games second batch of DLC had been completed it would’ve been revealed fully that Bahamut is the real antagonist and to defeat him Ardyn was going to be given the ring and sacrifice himself to defeat Bahamut and destroy the starscurge. But someone had to abandon the project, resulting in it all being thrown away and recycled into some novels.
kreia/darth traya, literal last boss and villain of kotor 2 who is your companion who teaches you and helps you reconnect with the force before forcing you to kill her. how you made a list like this and omitted her is beyond me.
3:46 “necromancers make for good friends” 😶😶 I mean Dorian Pavus is permanently in my Inquisitor’s team. Especially on this run where I romanced him lol
@@illyahrthebard3303 bc I wanted to romance him? literally made male lavellan just so i can do that. I rarely play as male chars. Also, Jaws Of Hakkon hits different with Male Lavellan/Dorian.
Revolver Ocelot from MGS3 and 4...sort of. It's hard to quantify who he's helping, but he's truly loyal to Big Boss. The Boss definitely from MGS3. Mynce from Bloodrayne is a double agent, infilitrating the Nazis to kill them and take Belial's heart. Before Rayne finds out, she fights Mynce as a boss. There's also Angela Cross, the Masked thief from Ratchet and Clank: Going Commando. She's trying to stop the destructive protopet. King Dedede in some of the Kirby games, though not the first.
Liked the video, but if you're going to have "Spoiler Warning for Baldur's Gate 3" at the start of the list, maybe don't use Gortash's face as the thumbnail?
I couldn't bring myself to kill Pagan cause honestly he's really not a bad guy. Pagan loved AJs mom who was suppose to spy on him for her husband who was a d--k and she ended up falling in love with Pagan cause he's again not a bad guy. Now AJs biological father was so mad when he found out she had a baby with Pagan that he literally kills the baby girl, causing his wife to flee the country with AJ and turning Pagan into the man he becomes a bit unhinged sure but who wouldn't be after having your baby girl killed and the love of your life dissappear. Let me remind you that later in this game you have to pick who you want to run the country and it comes down between a religious radical who will kill anyone and everyone who didn't follow the old ways or a person who want to use child slaves to work in the opium fields, yeah now this game has a karma system and if it's high enough you can kill one or both. Now I personally banished the child slave lady from ever returning and I definitely killed the radical religious guy but in the end I could never see a point to killing Pagan cause again he truly did nothing wrong, he was charismatic, charming, and a awesome guy whos plan was to leave the country in your hands all along. I just let him get on his helicopter and fly away, Pagan suffered enough already and honestly was a better father to AJ than his real one. I was a huge fan of Vaas but ultimately Pagan stole the show, he was a way more compelling character and I wanted to learn more about him. Vaas was a pirate full of insanity sure he's more iconic but Pagan is overall way more interesting.
Reeves from Final Fantasy 7. I didn't like his original outing but I like his remake outing. He controls Cait Sith throughout the game but his biggest assist is in rebirth when he helps Cloud and the group get in Cosmo Canyon.
N is not your ally during Black and White! He's committed to his goals of freeing Pokemon from their trainers because he's under the impression that all Pokemon are repressed. While he starts having doubts as you run into him during your adventure, he's still not on your side. This is what happens when the only Pokemon he's talked to before were all abused, and Ghetsis keeps lying to him. He's effectively in a cult. It isn't until Ghetsis reveals his true colors that N turns on him, but he never truly gives up on his ideals.
What about Sydney from Vagrant Story. Sydney knows that his father is dying, and did not want Leá Monde's dark powers to fall to the wrong hands. He was the antagonist throughout but he was just making sure that Ashley is the right person to be the successor
I disagree with Fallout 4. He only lets your character out just to see if they would survive; they don't care one iota for them and only want you to their point-of-view and not have your character have their own. He is the ultimate villain and only on his own side. He makes clones of himself when the other scientists are against it; he doesn't care about other peoples opinions, he only cares about his own, and his legacy. He's there to help himself not anyone else.
They probably already did it, but for the allied that were secretly your enemies, i put forth Ardyen, Flowey, Murai, V (Vergil), Atlas, the Dark God (Shadow of the Colossus), and Alex Mercer
There was also Freelancer's Orillian who is actually one of the two Big Goods (as well as Chkobi), but everyone think's he's the Big Bad until you find out the REAL Big Bad are alien parasites. Jet Lancer has all of the RED mechs. They're all good guys that have lost their programming, which your ship the L4NC3R, is actually one of, and it attempts and fails each time to establish a handshake with them. You discover why they were made later in the game, and who the Big Bad is. Also, I won't spoil it, but... when you fight The Black Knight on NG+, bring the hacking upgrade and hack it instead of destroying it. DRAINUS has the Layla who works under the Big Bad. She turns out to be the player character's sister and betrays the Big Bad. Twice. Play NG+ and you'll see what I mean.
The real number 1, Emet-Selch, the antagonist who desperately set up the Devils Advocate like roll for himself to act out so that humanity, and you, would prove your worth to exist, both in might, and in ideals and will, he never drops the act, even on death.
Evil Durge: Gortash a friend?, psh more like another obstacle or means to an end. After all, I rule alone. Also I’ll gladly take that hand of yours, to add to my collection.
Jetstream Sam starts out as a broken person who helps out Armstrong sincerely as he thinks he has no other choice since "if the strong are right" then he must be weak since he was defeated by Armstrong. Sam's tone is mocking on your first encounter since he expects Raiden to like him and just crumble if defeated. Then Raiden gets back up again, something he never expected. On the second encounter in Denver, his tone is mocking. Subconsciously he wants Raiden to break like he did to justify himself breaking, instead, Raiden gets up again, something he never did. Sam's tone is respectful on the third and final encounter as he, after some reflection, has come to the realisation that Raiden is a lot stronger mentally than him since Raiden keeps getting back up again where he himself stayed down to crawl. Now he wants to see if Raiden is physically strong enough to stand a chance against Armstrong, something he never did.
i must say that i was expecting logan from fable 3 since the whole time you were leading rebellion he was preparing kingdom for war against ancient evil from aurora desert
The first two seem to be misreads. Sam isn't planning to betray Armstrong, or bring him down from the inside. He's literally just planning to fight you to the death and let the survivor do whatever. Father is even more incorrect - he's fully behind the Institute, and only supports you as his successor to... keep doing what the Institute is already doing, no secrecy. At most, he just lets you free at the beginning, and immediately tells you about it the first moment you meet. Which isn't secretly.
Pokemon black and white was peak also it's sequel was so good and refreshing the story was captivating not like the newer ones. Although I like mega evolution.
Spoiler alert! Regarding the Quary, I'm a bit conflicted. Cause through the game, the Hacketts do help the player. At the same time I do recall that the other members of the family is at some point being mad at the cop-son for keeping the characters alive who know of the werewolf curse. But I'm open to my memory being faulty here.
I love that if you kill Gortash and then use the talk to dead spell, it's not him who you talk to. It is his dark patron, Bane, who talks back, and makes it clear that Gortash's soul is too preoccupied to answer you due to being tortured eternally by him. What an absolute (pun intended) unit!
Also, Gortash has no intention of actually sharing power with you. He's Bane's chosen, the guy loves to deceive people, you don't think he wouldn't be able to lie inside his own mind to better trick people? You have a tadpole in your head, he doesn't. Do the math.
Deserved
The biggest mic drop Jetstream Sam is when you find out he’s almost entirely organic, the entire time he can stand as equals or better with cyborgs
Oh my God.
How are you not gonna have Magus of Chrono Trigger here?! Everyone is led to believe that he's summoning the big bad of the game, Lavos, to destroy/rule the world, but he's been trying for over 9,000 years to summon him for the sole purpose of destroying Lavos before the planetary parasite could fully mature and destroy the world on Emergence Day in 1999. He was basically trying to solo the questline altogether before you came along and realized your goals aligned.
Magnus was awesome.
1. It's a bit misleading to say that "he's been trying for over 9000 years" when actually he's only in his 20s/30s.
2. He wasn't exactly doing what he did for such heroic and altruistic reasons. Not at least until he joins up with the gang. He was doing it purely to take revenge on Lavos for taking Schala and to a smaller extent, also his home away from him.
Shadowtrap from The Pre-Sequel: He was an ally to Claptrap all along. He just wanted Claptrap to stand up to people who didn't respect him and warned him not to trust his "friends." In the end he was proven right and is the only reason Claptrap survived being shot by Handsome Jack (so technically, it is thanks to Shadowtrap that Handsome Jack gets to be defeated by BL2).
Whats crazy about Shadowtrap is he is also the left over subroutine of the program that made all the claptraps go crazy and actually fight back in the Claptrap revolution dlc for the first game, and even then it's focus was to keep claptraps alive and free from the abuse everyone was giving them.
Fallouts Father is NOT a secret ally lmao
Hes a fair-weather friend who only allies with you if you do what he wants you to, just like the other factions
Totally agreed, he was a total dick, just more subtle than most villain but still a total dick :P
Kessler from Infamous…
That was my first thought when I saw the name of this video.
To be fair he was secretly you all along and is the cause of his own girlfriends death, past girlfriend? ex girlfriend? I don't know how to label that one
@@Joyful_Traitor Tenses always get screwy with Time Travel.
@@Joyful_Traitor Even so, I think Cole being his own ally counts.
Top ten boss entrances please!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Omg Yeeeess!!!
I feel like a majority of those would be from the borderland series because they’re awesome.
@@MoonHawkZero Souls series, Dead Rising, Metal Gear, and of course Borderlands
Agreed that would be a interesting list
Killer Croc on Arkham Asylum? that one isnt explosive but you know he can snap you body
What about Fable 3 where it turns out your brother is actually trying to stop some scary stuff you didn't know about?
I always spared Logan he was a chad.
This was my first thought also
Rudolph from Fire Emblem Echoes. He attacked Mila because he was trying to prevent their deity from being corrupted like Duma and to show that people should not heavily depend on Mila's blessings. Rudolph is literally Alm's father who planned on dying to his son and leaving his kingdom in Alm's capable hands.
How about Logan in Fable 3? He’s a prick, but he’s doing it to save the world.
I did the opposite of him after taking over and accidentally got almost every non essential NPC killed
@@stevenlannister184I know it goes against what the game is trying to tell, but you can grind out the necessary gold at the blacksmith and have all the good choices lol
@@DiseasedCows buying property and just leaving the game running while you slept or was at school/work also allowed you to the same thing
@@truekurayami The first is generally how you afford the second.
No mention of Prince Logan from Fable 3? He knew that MC was a “Hero” and that he was not. You were the only thing that could stop the encroaching darkness and so he did terrible things to force you to seek allies and git gud in order to stop it.
Kain? Like, Legacy of Kain's Kain? The one who seemingly sets off the end of the world in Blood Omen, turns into the most persistent, constant "final boss" of the series, only to find at the very end that he's the *savior* of Nosgoth, and that you - as Raziel - were always meant to heal his black heart and be the loyal blade by his side?
I thought for sure he'd be on here, but I guess poor ol' Kain's been forgotten.
I mean Kain was the protagonist of the Blood Omen games and then becomes the antagonist in Legacy of Kain which always left me a bit sad but sceptical. So yeah i guess i was right
Jetstream Sam is the single greatest thing in an amazing over the top masterpiece that is a thrill ride from start to end
2:28 "Shaun never tried to harm your character"
Also Shaun: "It seems her death was a bit of a collateral damage"
Father is _not_ your ally in FO4
Yeahhh I'm with you
Yeah, he’s a total psychopath who’s mind has been irreparably warped by the Institute
TL:DR He is if you're also a despotic psychopath who doesn't view synths as people.
But he is the reason you're free. Depending on the kind of choices you make, if you're going for evil/bigot/despot, he'd make fast friends.
The only constant that made the institute the villain up until you meet father is they have your kid. Well, he is your kid, how about now? Although I didn't like the idea of my character having such a railroad of an origins story, it is a pretty good twist. Makes the player question this. You want your son to be a good guy. And he does seem intelligent and compassionate in some ways. But depending on your stance on synths' autonomy, there are implicit red flags from the beginning. Red flags that don't really lower the more you dig.
Their is also controversy if he is actually the protagonist real son . A dark theorie is that the actual son died while his DNA was extracted, and Father is actually his clone .
And if you know anything about clones in Fallout like the Gary ones , they have tendencies to develop psychotic problems .
He is if you side with the institute, the bigger. Rime is the misunderstanding of Black and White
The number 1 earliest secret ally IMO is Protoman
Followed by Zero, though also technically Bass
Gortash fully intends on betraying the Dark Urge too. The entire thing between the three chosen of the Dead Three was that only one could claim the control of the crown at the end, they all planned to kill each other. Gortash is a master mannipulator, he uses and then throws them away when he no longer needs them. He did it to Karlach, the other two Chosen, and he would've done it the Dark Urge if the opportunity arose.
You can read Gortash's mind. Gortash has no intention of betraying the Dark Urge, or of betraying Karlach again if you do an evil ending in her Origin playthrough. He's extremely enthused she's stopped acting like a lackey and buoyant about their future co-rule. Apparently, both aloud and if you use telepathy, he thought she was spineless and hated she always did what she was told no questions asked their first time around. His reaction to Karlach is right in line with the narration that he missed The Dark Urge being unafraid to meet him with pushback in their parallel version of the conversation.
The Dark Urge, on the other hand, promises his father he'll betray Gortash in a letter written to Bhaal pre-game. So it might have ended poorly.
It's pretty clear neither you nor the writers ever played Pokemon Black/White, because that's not the story _at all._
N starts out as being fully on-board with Team Plasma, but starts having doubts as a consequence of your very first encounter with him (which is in the very first town you travel to, before even getting your very first Gym Badge). Doubts that keep getting more and more difficult to ignore.
It's only when his father, Ghetsis reveals that Team Plasma's real goal is to ensure only _he_ (Ghetsis) has Pokemon, that a horrified N actually turns to your side.
It's in Black/White 2 that Team Plasma's hardliners turn genocidal (with those who... well, aren't crazy/brainwashed being quite opposed to their new plans).
Baldur’s Gate 3 technically has several, and it can depend on your choices. Minthara is initially set up as a major antagonist and can even be a boss fight in Act I before joining you in Act II, and you’re initially told you have to KILL Karlach and she’s a much bigger monster than she actually is.
Far Cry 4 also pulls it on a smaller scale with Noore. She’s set up as one of Pagan’s generals but once you actually meet her she begins secretly helping you against Pagan and it eventually turns out she has pretty good reason to want him dealt with.
In Assassin’s Creed Odyssey you spend most of the game killing members of the Cult of Cosmos, but when you finally get to the last one, the one supposedly running it, you learn she actually WANTED you to destroy it, mainly because it had lost sight of it’s original goals after its members became corrupted by being overwhelmed with power.
with farcry 4 id also mention that the golden path is honestly worse then pagan min... its funny that the only good options in farcry 4 and 5 is to just do nothing
@@jessicamason2526 Not neccessarily.
That ending has Pagan Min basically hand a war-torn country over to a guy with zero political or military leadership experience or even any real knowledge of Kyrat's geography or culture. That would pretty much mean making Ajay a target of the Golden Path, and possibly leave the government even more vulnerable. I know Pagan thinks he's doing you a favor but he really didn't think this one through.
So it doesn't really make things a whole lot better. If anything it allows Pagan Min to get off scott-free for all his crimes while throwing an innocent man under the bus. Best case scenario Ajay has to become an even bigger tyrant in order to fight back, worst case scenario he gets easily overthrown and executed which would inevitably lead to further infighting within the Golden Path leading to further civil war.
@@HitchcockJohn and yet the alternative is a country built on drugs, child soldiers... or both
@@HitchcockJohn as opposed to under Amita, Kyrat becomes a Totalitarian Drug state, running on forced labor and fear with a sprinkling of the use of child soldiers, or under Sabal it becoming a totalitarian religious extremist state/ theocracy which massacres people for the slightest infraction against the established religion? sorry but again im siding with ajay being the better option
@@HitchcockJohn I've tried responding to this twice now.... lovely how UA-cam keeps deleting my responses...
Fordola in Final Fantasy XIV
Started as an ennemy, but saved us and saved others multiple times despite being hated by nearly everyone.
Father?! What? No! Did you even play Fallout 4?
Soo disappointed that Sydney from Vagrant Story wasn't on this list. He has been my model for "villains" for 30 years.
Glad to finally see this list pop up, but I'm stunned that Jeane in the first Bayonetta didn't make the cut. Until her face turn just before pursuing Father Balder, she seemed like she was purely an enemy.
You know what else everyone loves?
Jules.
I feel Kain was more worthy of being on this list over some of those chosen but in fairness I'm rarely happy unless I get to hear a Kain monologue
Silver and Blaze are basically Sonic's version of X-Men's Cable and/or Bishop.
You also could have chosen Balthazar from Baldur's Gate: Throne of Bhaal. The main villains of the expansion pack are a group of Bhaalspawn called The Five. Which, as soon as you meet Balthazar, you should have no trouble guessing that he is one of them. But unlike the other four, who wanted to become gods after eliminating all of the other Bhaalspawn and absorbing their power, Balthazar's intention is to commit a ritual suicide after absorbing all of their power so that there will be NO god of murder.
Bhaalsy plan.
Can you help him do that though?
Sarevok , who was the antagonist of the first game, can also become your ally in Throne of Bhaal if you ressurect him. And you can even influence him to become chaotic good.
No The Boss from MGS3 ?
No 1: The Boss
That one hurt so much at the end 🥲
Especially, at her funeral
Or revolver ocelot for that matter
Thanks for bringing back the end cards, Jules. ❤
Yeah I just can't say no to Karlach so Gortash is always going to die
I mean if you keep him alive you have the pleasure to see how the absolute kills him and karlach have something to say about it
That's ok, he had no real intention of honoring his deal and sharing power. No matter how much you determine he's not lying, the motherfucker is lying. That's what he does.
Can you guys also make a Top 10 Enemies Turned Allies?
For example, in “Final Fantasy 7 Remake and Rebirth” there’s Roche a.k.a. Cloud’s fanboy.
Thank you Jules for doing a proper sign off at the end. It's something I have been missing from the whatculture of past. Abruptly ending a video without a word feels so...icky.
Rudolf from fire emblem echoes
A very heart breaking sequence
Where is Magus from Chrono Trigger?
Magus in Chrono Trigger. Being told the entire game up to that point that he's the main baddy, slogging through his castle, narrowly beating him in an epic battle...only to learn that he was trying to kill the REAL main baddy, just like you, all along, and the game wasn't even half done...THAT was a twist.
Another one from a relatively recent game is Yorinobu Arasaka.
If you play through The Devil ending you find out that he is just as much of an enemy to the corp as you are.
No, I disagree. He's certainly not playing the Arasaka ballgame, but he's not your friend, either.
Didn't expect Xardas and Gothic in this list, good catch!
"Spoiler alert, but the thumbnail already gave it away." - Narrator
Other options:
Proto-Man (Mega Man 3): Spends most of the game randomly attacking you in selected levels mid-quest, only to eventually rescue you from Dr. Wily at the end of the game.
Knuckles (Sonic3/Sonic and Knuckles): Proves to be a right royal nuisance for most of Sonic 3, whereby it’s also implied that he’s working for Dr. Eggman, only for it to be revealed that the two of you have a common enemy in the (not so good) doctor of cybernetics.
Estelle Aguirre (Streets of Rage 4): Twice throughout the main story of SOR4 do your heroes encounter the Rhonda Rousey inspired SWAT officer Estelle Aguirre, who seems Hell-bent on booking for the aggravated assault of her crooked cop colleagues. Thankfully, following your second encounter aboard the Sky Train, she instead chooses to join you on your crusade against the Y Twins. She then becomes a playable character with some of the best moves in the game.
Vincent (Silent Hill 3): This creepy cleric and academic who resembles an anorexic version of 1990s Bill Pullman always seems to appear out of nowhere to harass Heather when she needs it the least. In fact, for much of the narrative you’re almost certain that Vincent is manipulating Heather in much the same way that Dahlia Gillespie manipulated Heather’s father Harry in the original Silent Hill game. This being said, creepy as his is, Vincent ultimately has the same goal as Heather. Both want to stop Claudia from bringing the demonic ‘God’ of the town back to life, though both have very different methods for doing so.
Flamethrower man (Until Dawn): Of the 3 antagonists that dog the characters of Until Dawn, the Flamethrower Man is the most misunderstood because, much like the Hacketts in The Quarry, he’s not trying to harm the teens but trying to protect them from the far greater threat of the wendigos that infest the mountain where the game is set.
Virgil (Devil May Cry 3): Despite eventually becoming the big bad for DMC5, Dante’s twin brother proves a priceless asset during the final battle of DMC3. Yes, he does act like a cross between Albert Wesker from ResEvil and Seifer Almassy from FFVIII. Yes, he does severely wound Dante midway through the game. But much like Trish in the original DMC, or even Dante himself in DMC4; his face-turn in the final reel only makes that last boss victory all the more sweet. Plus, if Virgil didn’t make his supreme sacrifice at the end of the game there’d likely be no franchise.
I’m gonna bend the rules a bit by saying Ardyn Izunia in FF15. If the games second batch of DLC had been completed it would’ve been revealed fully that Bahamut is the real antagonist and to defeat him Ardyn was going to be given the ring and sacrifice himself to defeat Bahamut and destroy the starscurge. But someone had to abandon the project, resulting in it all being thrown away and recycled into some novels.
kreia/darth traya, literal last boss and villain of kotor 2 who is your companion who teaches you and helps you reconnect with the force before forcing you to kill her. how you made a list like this and omitted her is beyond me.
Thanks for the outro! 😊
3:46 “necromancers make for good friends” 😶😶 I mean Dorian Pavus is permanently in my Inquisitor’s team. Especially on this run where I romanced him lol
Why would you deny the Iron Bull/Dorian romance? If you keep them in the party together long enough, they even get an ending together lol
@@illyahrthebard3303 bc I wanted to romance him? literally made male lavellan just so i can do that. I rarely play as male chars. Also, Jaws Of Hakkon hits different with Male Lavellan/Dorian.
@@liathedoll Fair enough lol
Top 10 bosses you would want to be friends with.
Kessler from Infamous is my personal favorite. That reveal...
FC4 needed a Pagin path
Revolver Ocelot from MGS3 and 4...sort of. It's hard to quantify who he's helping, but he's truly loyal to Big Boss. The Boss definitely from MGS3.
Mynce from Bloodrayne is a double agent, infilitrating the Nazis to kill them and take Belial's heart. Before Rayne finds out, she fights Mynce as a boss.
There's also Angela Cross, the Masked thief from Ratchet and Clank: Going Commando. She's trying to stop the destructive protopet.
King Dedede in some of the Kirby games, though not the first.
Liked the video, but if you're going to have "Spoiler Warning for Baldur's Gate 3" at the start of the list, maybe don't use Gortash's face as the thumbnail?
I couldn't bring myself to kill Pagan cause honestly he's really not a bad guy. Pagan loved AJs mom who was suppose to spy on him for her husband who was a d--k and she ended up falling in love with Pagan cause he's again not a bad guy. Now AJs biological father was so mad when he found out she had a baby with Pagan that he literally kills the baby girl, causing his wife to flee the country with AJ and turning Pagan into the man he becomes a bit unhinged sure but who wouldn't be after having your baby girl killed and the love of your life dissappear. Let me remind you that later in this game you have to pick who you want to run the country and it comes down between a religious radical who will kill anyone and everyone who didn't follow the old ways or a person who want to use child slaves to work in the opium fields, yeah now this game has a karma system and if it's high enough you can kill one or both. Now I personally banished the child slave lady from ever returning and I definitely killed the radical religious guy but in the end I could never see a point to killing Pagan cause again he truly did nothing wrong, he was charismatic, charming, and a awesome guy whos plan was to leave the country in your hands all along. I just let him get on his helicopter and fly away, Pagan suffered enough already and honestly was a better father to AJ than his real one. I was a huge fan of Vaas but ultimately Pagan stole the show, he was a way more compelling character and I wanted to learn more about him. Vaas was a pirate full of insanity sure he's more iconic but Pagan is overall way more interesting.
Reeves from Final Fantasy 7. I didn't like his original outing but I like his remake outing. He controls Cait Sith throughout the game but his biggest assist is in rebirth when he helps Cloud and the group get in Cosmo Canyon.
N is not your ally during Black and White! He's committed to his goals of freeing Pokemon from their trainers because he's under the impression that all Pokemon are repressed. While he starts having doubts as you run into him during your adventure, he's still not on your side. This is what happens when the only Pokemon he's talked to before were all abused, and Ghetsis keeps lying to him. He's effectively in a cult. It isn't until Ghetsis reveals his true colors that N turns on him, but he never truly gives up on his ideals.
What about Sydney from Vagrant Story. Sydney knows that his father is dying, and did not want Leá Monde's dark powers to fall to the wrong hands. He was the antagonist throughout but he was just making sure that Ashley is the right person to be the successor
Kain from Legacy of Kain should have been #1. Hell he should have atleast been on the list.
in my eyes, father doesn’t count because he’s only on your side if you are on this side of the Institute so he’s not really on your side
I disagree with Fallout 4. He only lets your character out just to see if they would survive; they don't care one iota for them and only want you to their point-of-view and not have your character have their own. He is the ultimate villain and only on his own side. He makes clones of himself when the other scientists are against it; he doesn't care about other peoples opinions, he only cares about his own, and his legacy. He's there to help himself not anyone else.
Red: so what does N stand for?
N: well it stands for Ni *credits roll*
That Pokémon entry was rough😅
We need a part 2 because Kessler from InFamous did not deserve to be left out.
In "Shantae and the Seven Sirens", Risky Boots sort of fits this list.
Goro Majima
what about ocelott from mgs3?
Figures, the one way I haven't finished BG3 yet was the spoiler lol.
Do not worry.
There are man, ways to finish the game.
8:18 This game's version of The Baker Family!!!
They probably already did it, but for the allied that were secretly your enemies, i put forth Ardyen, Flowey, Murai, V (Vergil), Atlas, the Dark God (Shadow of the Colossus), and Alex Mercer
There was also Freelancer's Orillian who is actually one of the two Big Goods (as well as Chkobi), but everyone think's he's the Big Bad until you find out the REAL Big Bad are alien parasites.
Jet Lancer has all of the RED mechs. They're all good guys that have lost their programming, which your ship the L4NC3R, is actually one of, and it attempts and fails each time to establish a handshake with them. You discover why they were made later in the game, and who the Big Bad is.
Also, I won't spoil it, but... when you fight The Black Knight on NG+, bring the hacking upgrade and hack it instead of destroying it.
DRAINUS has the Layla who works under the Big Bad. She turns out to be the player character's sister and betrays the Big Bad. Twice. Play NG+ and you'll see what I mean.
A very rare topic to talk about.
Torment Planescape - Morte and about half the crew are somewhat against you in the start meant to babysit you and keep you away.
The real number 1, Emet-Selch, the antagonist who desperately set up the Devils Advocate like roll for himself to act out so that humanity, and you, would prove your worth to exist, both in might, and in ideals and will, he never drops the act, even on death.
I did notice a typo, Sonic rush was an original DS game, not a 3DS one.
Where’s Roku/Ansem in kh2?
Savathun.
Lets call it "Rough love"
Evil Durge: Gortash a friend?, psh more like another obstacle or means to an end. After all, I rule alone. Also I’ll gladly take that hand of yours, to add to my collection.
I love pagan m,in hands down
You guys forgot Clifford Unger from death stranding
" show me a good time jack"
I love the canon of Durtash ❤❤❤
Cool list 🎮
7:09 The three most popular members, not including Giovanni!!!
Savathun from Destiny 2
I didn't expect Gothic on this list!
Also Sleeper is not an evil god but a demon. Beliar is evil god in this universe.
technically the sleeper is the avatar of beliar at the time of gothic 1 but you're not wrong.
Jetstream Sam starts out as a broken person who helps out Armstrong sincerely as he thinks he has no other choice since "if the strong are right" then he must be weak since he was defeated by Armstrong.
Sam's tone is mocking on your first encounter since he expects Raiden to like him and just crumble if defeated. Then Raiden gets back up again, something he never expected.
On the second encounter in Denver, his tone is mocking. Subconsciously he wants Raiden to break like he did to justify himself breaking, instead, Raiden gets up again, something he never did.
Sam's tone is respectful on the third and final encounter as he, after some reflection, has come to the realisation that Raiden is a lot stronger mentally than him since Raiden keeps getting back up again where he himself stayed down to crawl. Now he wants to see if Raiden is physically strong enough to stand a chance against Armstrong, something he never did.
No one will ever tell me Handsome Jack couldn't be my sugar daddy.
11 Game Villains That're the ACTUAL Heroes please... unless it's been done? 😉
I feel like spec ops: the line should've probably been included on this list
What about Golbez from Dissidia?
i must say that i was expecting logan from fable 3 since the whole time you were leading rebellion he was preparing kingdom for war against ancient evil from aurora desert
I agree with what they said about Shawn I sided with the institute I do think he could have definitely handled it better
I think grovyle from pokemon mystery dungeon explorers of sky also fits well into that category
I'm surprised Sir Hendrick from Dragon Quest XI wasn't on this list.
Better yet, Marcello from DQVIII.
The first two seem to be misreads. Sam isn't planning to betray Armstrong, or bring him down from the inside. He's literally just planning to fight you to the death and let the survivor do whatever. Father is even more incorrect - he's fully behind the Institute, and only supports you as his successor to... keep doing what the Institute is already doing, no secrecy. At most, he just lets you free at the beginning, and immediately tells you about it the first moment you meet. Which isn't secretly.
How about Ally turned Enemy turned Ally Angel from Boarderlands?
Best bald characters. (Egg boys!)
Solas from inquisition
Father is most definitely NOT your ally...you do know what the institute's goal is right?
Pokemon black and white was peak also it's sequel was so good and refreshing the story was captivating not like the newer ones. Although I like mega evolution.
Jetstream sam is kewl and all but how does he get a mention and not ocelot? Lol
Top ten powerful weapons that also damage the player
Spoiler alert!
Regarding the Quary, I'm a bit conflicted. Cause through the game, the Hacketts do help the player. At the same time I do recall that the other members of the family is at some point being mad at the cop-son for keeping the characters alive who know of the werewolf curse. But I'm open to my memory being faulty here.
How can you do this list and not mention mgs3? Big boss is one of the best twists ever
Tell that to Shang Tsung and Qua Chi Jules.
Gortash was never an ally, he will betray you later on