I believe you got the wrong Guyana. The Guyanas encompass the ex- Spanish, English, Dutch, French and Portuguese Guyanas, which is now Venezuela, Guyana, Suriname, Frenh Guiana, and Amapa in Brazil. See how Guyana and Guiana are spelt differently. In Japanese, Guyana and Guiana are also spelt differently. You even show it at 7:59. Guyana is ガイアナ Ga-i-a-na, while Guiana is ギアナ Giana). And they took the "Giana" one, as French Guiana. *Mew originally comes from French Guiana, not Guyana, according to Japanese source.* And it makes more sense for French Guiana to be where on earth it was found. Mew is said to be the origin of all life on earth (in the lore). It is a wink to a popular belief that life comes from outer space. Thus, its apparence in Space in the anime and Pokémon Snap. You know where the European Union have their Spaceport? In French Guiana. It also explain Team Rocket's quest for Mew or Mewtwo. You may wonder why Team Rocket and their admin has rocketry name? Because, well because of the space theme, which is further link to French Guiana and its spaceport.
Oh man, thank you for that correction! A lot of things are starting to come together for me. People thanking me for pronouncing Guyana properly, but I knew there's also French Guiana, but being Canadian, I guessed that it'd be pronounced more like "Gee-a-na". Google Translate sometimes gave me ガイアナ, and sometimes gave me ギアナ. I thought it was one of those things where they just changed the spelling at some point. I'm aware of country names being pronounced, uh, "interestingly", even though the sounds would be available in the other language, haha I never made the connection since I would've expected to see something to indicate Guiana's "French" status in Japanese, haha And you're blowing my mind with all of the space and Team Rocket stuff -- I love it!
@@BabusGameRoom This is my head canon. French Guiana makes more sense, so I am arguing about a mistranslation. Spanish and Italian versions are also talking about Guyana, but they took the English version as their basis. That is why they have the same English name for their Pokémon (not localized). Meanwhile, French and German versions are different: they are translated directly from Japanese! The translator were Julien Bardakoff and Thomas Spindler. And they didn't pick Guyana! Instead they picked... "X" and "No Man's Land" _(Niemandsland)_ respectively. Yeah... underwhelming development, isn't it? I can't speak about the other languages, I cannot speak or decypher them. So my only argument is taking the orthography of Guyana / Guiana in the Japanese version. Weak, isn't it? *Fun fact:* Bardakoff and Spindler were also the first voice actors of Luigi and Wario. First as the Mario Kart 64 Japanese version _(Luigi is the Pope!)._ But if you played Mario Party 1 or 2, you heard their voices!
So, we had a lot of nearby places named Guiana. And what Guiana means to be used like that? It seems is the name the natives used to a large region where those countries take place. And in their language means "land of much water", therefore Mew is from Hoenn😅
@@Clemehl because of your comment i found out that japan calls french guiana フランス領ギアナ, which is literally the same, フランス領(french territory) ギアナ(guiana). and also that both guyana and guiana, plus suriname, delta amaruco and guyana region( both from venezuela) and amapá (from brazil) are called the guyanas, guiana or guayanas. this holds true in japanese, so possibly when the journal referred to ギアナ it may have referred the whole guyana region, not any specific country (i'm sorry if something is not understanable, english is my second language)
We can mathematically estimate how buoyant exeggcute is. The dex entry puts the pokemon at 5.5 pounds and just over a foot tall. The eggs are roughly spherical so each would displace about a half cubic foot or 3.89 gallons. Water weighs about 8 pounds. Not only does exeggcute float, they float extremely high in water.
Oooh, that's great! I don't know if I'd call them spherical. Ob...loid? Ovoid? Sounds like an egg word, too, haha So maybe Exeggcute really can float! It's hard to be sure if the measurements are for one or many of the Exeggcute seeds, but if it were for just one seed, then it'd probably just make them even more likely to float. ...and I would be really impressed if Game Freak considered any of this when filling in those numbers for Exeggcute, haha
@@BabusGameRoom late to the party, but it sounds like an egg word because "oval" itself comes from Latin "ōvālis" which basically means "egg-y" and as for them not being spheres messing with the calculations, as I understand it, physicists like to pretend a lot of things are spherical for the sake of simpler calculations, (there's a famous joke about physicists assuming a spherical cow) so I'd say an egg is actually reasonably close to a sphere
Has Pokemon ever officially used the naming convention of "Kantonian Rattata" or something similar? I haven't seen them do anything like that - they've always just said "Rattata" unless they're specifically referring to "Alolan Rattata." As far as I can see, they're open to Rattata and other pokemon being native to multiple regions - it's just the regional variants themselves that are from one region in particular.
Fun Fact: the reason Lapras is limited repeated in gen 2 is because it was an endangered species at first in the series but later on it's species made a recovery due to conservation efforts. From gen 1 - gen 6 Lapras was an endangered species. From pokemon Moon's entry: "These Pokémon were once near extinction due to poaching. Following protective regulations, there is now an overabundance of them." So it's safe to say Lapras can be native to both Sinnoh and Johto as places they are breeding grounds, outside of that they are more of an ocean species.
That makes a lot of sense! And it's actually a heart-warming story instead of a depressing one, like a lot of the other ones that have to do with Pokemon going nearly extinct...ahaha
@@BabusGameRoom A little like the history of Lions in Europe and North Africa. Hunted, the last survivors ended up living in the mountains. The last lion in Europe went extinct less than 1000 years ago (medieval period!) and it has been 50 years that Barbary Lion in Maghreb region has not be sighted (we have photography of them!). Lapras could have the same fate. Prized and hunted, the last remnant seek refuge in more inhospitable place like a cave.
Adding to this with something I thought about: Blueberry Academy near Unova. Now I don’t know if the game states how “new” Blueberry Academy and the Terrarium are, but what we see in game is numerous species conserved, including Hisuian Quilfish, Cleavor (through its evolution item), several Alolan forms, and most importantly for this, Lapras. Blueberry Academy may well have played a hand in the conservation efforts of Lapras!
I think faraway island IS the Guyana region Pokémon has a habit of using real world things as placeholders until they add an in lore equivalent For example: Before Gen 8: FireRed Its electric charges can reach even 100,000 volts. Careless contact can cause even an Indian elephant to faint. After Gen 8: Legends: Arceus It can discharge bursts of electricity exceeding 100,000 volts- a single strike with that amount of power would incapacitate one of the Copperajah of my homeland.
Maybe Faraway Island is IN the Guyana Region.... so, this way, we still don't know its name and it keeps being a mysterious place/region (and it can be properly introduced in a future generation)...
One thing you gotta keep in mind is that in the earlier games gens and dex entries (specially regarding to Kanto stuff) is that they (Gamefreak) initially might have thought the Pokemon world to be the same as our world, given that Satoshi Tajiri's main inspiration for Pokemon was his experiences as a kid in bug catching, which is also backed up by the fact that the first games take place in a region that goes by the name of a same place in our world, Kanto's Japan. After Red and Green, they still made some references to our world locations for a while with namedrops like South America on Xatu's dex, China on Arcanine's or India on Raichu's, but as far as I remember they stopped doing that with newer mons by gen 5 and nowadays they sometimes recontextualize these old mentions to our would in more recent entries by changing the name of our world location to a generic place/unnamed region/stuff like that, like Raichu's indian elephant entry in older games that in a new game (Legends Arceus) states that it can knock out a Copperajah.
Additionally, when gen 1 was being made the intention was clearly that this is the real world but with Pokemon. The og Japan only Pokedex/lore book makes reference to even more countries and Kanto is an actual Japanese region. But by gen 2, they decided to use different names. I've also absolutely used real country names while discussing my headcanons as a stand-in for "region inspired by" (I considered similar project to this, but one that considers origins a lot. For example the Tepig line would be native to China)
It's definitely a good question! The catch is that it's a lot harder to answer conclusively. And as I mentioned, it's also liable to be changed at any point in the future. It'd be easy enough to see where a Pokemon is most common, but even that isn't the best indicator -- invasive species can have a much greater population than native species, for example.
I mean... yes... its a question worth answering, but the problem lies in the Water and Flying type Pokemon who can freely roam and navigate the Pokemon World, as they aren't limited to land. Then there is the issue of Kitakami, which in itself is its own region. However, are you going to count it, because its a DLC region. Like obviously, with Lapras being based on the Loch Ness Monster, geographically and design wise, you can only place them in Galar. Then there is the issue with baby Pokemon as well. Pichu can first be caught in the wild in Alola, suggesting the line is from there. However, its only catchable in 2 locations. However, in Kitakami its the most abundant, suggesting its from Kitakami. Cleffa - again, can be found in Sinnoh first, but is most abundant in Kitakami. Igglybuff - Most abundant in Paldea, while you can catch it first in Alola Togepi - Only region its catchable in without bringing in a mechanic like Pokerader is Galar. Tyrogue - Galar (Most abundant there) Some Pokemon are more abundant than others in certain regions. Like, Eevee is either from a region that introduced an Eeveelution, but thats made problematic a little bit as well, since you cannot catch Eevee in gen 1, gen 2, gen 4 in the wild, effectively placing Eevee in Kalos. However, placing Eevee in Kalos might be a stretch as well, considering you can only catch it at Route 10 and even then it only has a 5% encounter rate, suggesting Eevee is really rare in Kalos as well. Eevee is probably from Galar, not only can it Gigamax, its also found in the most locations in Galar. So while Eevee might be native to other regions, it might find its ORIGINS in Galar (So i feel like Origin would be a better term to use to pinpoint where a Pokemon is from is actually better).
@@nickdentoom1173The babies bring up an interesting question for sure. Those introduced in Gen II, with the exception of Togepi, clearly were supposed to be just from where their parents were from, we just never saw them even if it would make more sense to - looking specifically at the three which evolve by level and are available *very* below that level in the wild in GSC and HGSS. The two from Gen III make it weirder still - Marill is only in Mt. Mortar at a 1% chance, but abundant in Hoenn. Wynaut is the *only thing* you find on Mirage Island, while Wobbuffet is much more common in Dark Cave than Marill is in Mt. Mortar. Then there's Gen IV - that's all over the place. Sudowoodo may be Gen II, but it's a one off like Snorlax, so it can't be truly Johtonian. Mantine is Gen II too, but it's kinda weird that we find no Mantyke in Johto when the only Remoraid you'd be able to find to evolve it are restricted to a landlocked lake in the mountains, while in Sinnoh and later regions, Mantyke and Remoraid are found in the same place. And then there's Riolu. Same deal as Togepi, but clearly intended as native to Sinnoh.
@@doomsdayrabbit4398 Your Mantine argument is exactly why we cannot pinpoint the exact origin region for Water and Flying type. For all we know the Mantine in Johto, migrated there when they evolved from Mantyke, but the distance is too far for Mantyke to travel too.
@@nickdentoom1173 I was thinking more Wingull than Mantine for that. And yeah, sure, in Gen IV it needed incense to breed Mantyke, but then how does that explain there being wild ones of the incense babies in Hoenn and Sinnoh?
Weird thing on Clefairy and a neat bit of folklore studies that a lot of people don't know about, it's actually believed by some folklorist believe that alien encounters and sightings may be a modern version of fairy and elf sightings of the olden days. So Clefairy being a fairy from space may be a reference to that.
That sounds legit! We've long-since found everything possible on land and in the forests, but space?! That's where the new scary, small, human-shaped creatures come from. ...now it's just making me believe that any sightings like that were mostly just kids playing pranks, haha
I think an overlooked idea would be invasive species. Just because it's able to be caught in abundance, doesn't necessarily mean it's native to an area.
Wow, thank you so much! =D As a smaller channel, it's easier for me to stay connected to the fans through comments. I'm currently at the stage where I can not only read every top-level comment, but also reply to them. And a lot of commenters made really great points! (and clearly, I make lots of mistakes, ahaha)
Regarding Mew, even in the original Japanese Red and Green, it does first say Mew is from Guyana. The retcon later on was not necessarily to change where it was from so much as it was to remove the references to the real world. There are other examples of this happening over time as well, the most easily notable being Raichu. An early Pokedex entry says it can knock out an Indian Elephant, but a later entry changes it to a Copperajah, removing the reference to the real world and replacing it with a Pokemon equivalent. This would suggest that for Mew, the change to being found in a jungle is just to remove the reference to Guyana. If there was already a Guyana-inspired region, that's likely what they would have put instead. But rather than mislead fans by naming a region that doesn't exist, locking them into that name while fans repeatedly cry out for that region to finally appear and get angry over a tease like that, they decided to be vague. Basically, yes, it comes from an unknown Guyana-inspired region, which Faraway Island is a part of. If and when we will ever go there beyond just Faraway Island is... Unlikely. It's unlikely they'd want to give unlimited access to Mew, so they'd have to find a way to prevent access to Faraway Island without refraining from mentioning it entirely. Or they would have to find a way to explain why Mew is suddenly no longer available there (it is implied that Faraway Island specifically is uninhabited and remote, so maybe they could just have that change in the time since Mew was discovered, with people of the region starting to inhabit the island and thus unintentionally scaring off any remaining Mew, but that feels unlikely to happen). I think the most we can expect would be more events taking us there instead of a full region, as much as I personally would love to eventually have regions based on every part of the world.
You're definitely right that the retcon was to remove references to the real world. Some commenters seemed to believe that the Guyana part was added to the English release of RB though, so I wanted to dispell that notion. They could still have a game in the region that owns Faraway Island though! Mew doesn't need to be plentiful. It could be a more regular legendary/mythical in that region, and that'd be more than enough. Heck, just let players Surf to Faraway Island (maybe in the post-game), and let them play out the same Mew event from before! haha
@@Wertercat I'm not clear on the definition between Legendary and Mythical...but wouldn't that just mean they made Deoxys (as a mythical) available in ORAS?
@@Wertercat That makes sense. I'm not sure what the definition actually is...Bulbapedia says they're Pokemon that are "usually" event-only, but says that starting with Gen 6, they started including Mythicals in the games without events. Deoxys' appearance in ORAS is explicitly listed as a mythical Pokemon that's available in-game.
Sorry to correct your corrections, but exeggcute’s bulbapedia page says it’s more closely related to seeds than to eggs. Granted, some seeds still don’t float. Also, don’t all the Kanto games canonically take place in separate timelines? Isn’t that why there’s mega evolution in the Let’s Go games but not the Gen 1 or 3 games? Great video btw! 🙌 Love these
Thank you so much! =D They're related to seeds in that they fall from "trees" rather than come out of an animal's behind, and may they grow in soil...but just look at them! They're clearly pink eggs! ahaha It may be that the only way to make sense of some of these things is to go with separate timelines, but I want to do as little of that as possible. But since Let's Go seems to take place chronologically after Gen 2 (which is explicitly 3 years after Gen 1), I think it's safe to put it in the same timeline. The remakes, however, are more "retellings" rather than "different timelines" imo. I'm not sure what the difference is, but there aren't TOO many inconsistencies between RB and FRLG, at least in terms of the habitats and such that I'm discussing...at least, I think so! lol
@@BabusGameRoom in LGPE Blue takes over the Viridian City gym without the 3 year wait. There's no Janine in the Fuchsia City gym too, also no Koga, Karen in the elite 4 in any point of the game, meaning this takes place before gen 2.
@@iuxbaesuzystanyeah I thought LGPE took place a year or two before the Johto games. Also the volcano on Cinnabar hasn’t erupted yet but it’s becoming more active during the LGPE games. I’ve always wondered whether the battle between Groudon and Kyogre in Hoenn took place on some kind of fault line and it’s their battle that caused the volcano in kanto to erupt. Plus having the Hoenn games take place slightly after the kanto games allows for Professor Oak (the creator of the Pokédex) to create and distribute pokedexes to the other professors of neighbouring regions.
i think the question of "what region were they first infinitely catchable?" is getting a bit muddled with stuff like discussions of exeggutor and clefairy. even if they *did* originally evolve (like irl evolution not pokemon evolution) in another region (or planet) and then migrate to kanto or johto later, that shouldn't matter based on your criteria. i think the question of where these pokemon geographically originated is interesting, but it seems like a different question from the one posed by these videos. like, just because a mon is infinitely catchable in a region doesn't mean they didn't first evolve in the region right-next-door which we might hypothetically explore next generation. for example, if gen 10 has a new infinitely catchable wild pokemon who's described as "originating from the mountains in the east" and then gen 11 take place in a region to the east of gen 10's region and this hypothetical pokemon is found in the mountains there, and stated by local NPCs as having originated there, then you have a bit of a dilemma. two questions with two answers.
Yeah, you're definitely right. In my list, I'm putting Exeggcute in Johto and Clefairy in Kanto. Clefairy wasn't ever a question for me. This video is more of a response to a lot of the recurring comments that I got. I probably had dozens of comments telling me that I should've put Exeggcute in Alola! haha It's my fault for not properly explaining my criteria in the previous videos, haha
5:30 THERE I AM GARY! Great job again, good on you for clearing things up and stating mistakes where they were. Happy to see more of what you make going forward.
I love this community style of videos that you've created. It's nice to have a "healthy" dialog going. I don't think gamefreak really had origins in mind when developing most pokemon. But it is fun to wonder.
Thank you so much! I'm thankful that, as a small creator, I'm able to engage with everyone here and correct my (many) mistakes. Game Freak definitely didn't think about any of this stuff (and I don't blame them -- they just wanted to make some fun designs), but have the fans ever thought about it! So many different ideas about all these Pokemon!
The Sevii Islands are based off of the Okinawa Islands, which are part of the real world Kanto prefecture, so I assume they’d be part of Kanto as well.
10:10 the player has actually been on space in oras when battling deoxys with your mega rayquaza and in gen 7 in ultramegalopolis and ultra wormholes in general 👍
How do you know that lmao like i understand your making this assumption based off the real location but whats to say gamefreak wouldnt just do whatever they wanted with the region
Those would be some great settings! Thinking of the regions as their countries, I feel like we had "pyramids" already in Gen 5's "New York"...wherever Yamask was found, along with the desert that has Sigilyph, those felt like a little piece of Egypt. Weird place for them in hindsight. But if they did a proper Guyana region with rainforests, pyramids, and tall mountains? That'd be great!
I think he meant more beyond the exosphere, as far as we can tell the scene that Delta Episode takes place in is happening within the Exosphere. And I think he's more hoping we get an entire region in space or at least an entire small location to explore like on the moon. Not just a one and done Pokemon battle that ends with the player back on earth with no real chance to explore the environment
@@BabusGameRoom Although it's not explorable, it totally made the playground rumor "You go to space to catch Deoxys" true. You totally do go to space in the cutscene.
The idea that Faraway Island is in/off Guyana is awesome and has joined my head canon. And unless Hoenn is in, like, Venezuela, Guyana is indeed far away.
Oops! Thanks for that correction. I guess if someone doesn't want to count post-game content, then Lapras is a bit of an Eevee situation. For me, I guess that'd make Lapras a Kanto Pokemon if I wanted to give it a region.
in regards to the old sea map (the mew event item), hacking it in doesn't work easily, the mystery gift actually activates a flag in the code that turns tells the game you can play the event, the item is mostly to let the player know something is new in the game, that and to hide the way it works from the player just a tidbit, but i felt like sharing it
Oh, thank you for that! I am seeing some stuff online that suggests that one caught in a non-Japanese game wouldn't be Home legal, so I do have to wonder how much it should count...haha
@@BabusGameRoom home checks arent as thourough as stuff like pkhex, they were transferable into bank, so it's probably considered legal in home, it's worth checking otherwise though.
Good for thought; there is an Aerodactyl skeleton in the Pewter Museum, what’re the chances this skeleton was found in the region and wasn’t sent from abroad??? Also, this skeleton is seperate from the old Amber we revive it from, meaning some where fossilised. Also, Old Amber can be discovered in Kanto in Cerulean Cave, Johto in the Ruins of Alph, Sinnoh underground, and Kalos in Glittering Cave. Surely this means with the presence of Old Amber across those locations (including Kanto), it’s native to all of these? And that’s just in-game; in the anime a live one is found in Kanto, a petrified egg is found on Sayda Island (which is counted as being in Kanto), and Goh finds Old Amber near Pewter while excavating looking for fossils. As an extra note, it’s Pokédex entries refer to it as being from prehistoric times in the age of dinosaurs, which if the Pokémon world follows plate tectonics, surely the world would’ve had its own Pokémon Pangaea and Gondwana at some point, it may have been that it’s fossils formed BEFORE the lands split from one another, hence why evidence of its existence is found in multiple locations. Just me being too invested in Aerodactyl I guess 😅 (edit, I paused and commented this before seeing the Aerodactyl section and the infinite requirement, but as this Pokémon is extinct I feel it’s a little tricky to quantify that.)
I mentioned in the earlier video that museums are well known for..."acquiring" things from all over the world. So it's possible that it was found in Kanto, but there's no evidence of that. While the Dome and Helix fossils are found in Mt. Moon, the Old Amber isn't actually explicitly found in Kanto, so it could be from anywhere! (including Kanto...but I wanted to dig deeper, haha The anime (and other extended universe stuff like the manga) adds too many variables to consider, so I haven't been looking at that. But either way, there's no ability to send Pokemon from the anime to the games, so it's not like we can get an Old Amber that was found in an Anime area of Kanto! haha But yeah, the world probably looked very different when the Old Amber was originally fossilized. So whether it's fair to assign it a "real region" or not is up for debate. But I put Omanyte and Kabuto in Kanto, so I should be fair to Aerodactyl! haha
UA-cam just recommended this to me and I binged this whole series. I do have one thing that I want to point out. So... there's some book or magazine or strategy guide or something (it's not the game's manual, I can confirm that cause I double-checked) that I remember from my childhood that had Professor Oak in the corner at one point with a speech bubble where he actually explained that he found the starters in the tall grass that surrounds Pallet Town in the original Gen 1 games. I am racking my brain to try and remember where I read this, but I swear there is some official merchandise that covers it... Of course, in the actual games themselves, that grass is inaccessible, and even if you do get there via cheating/hacking/glitching, there are no wild encounters that spawn there.
Thanks for checking it out! I'm glad it found its way to you! =D I'm really curious about that. I have two Gen 1 strategy guides that I could look at, but I know there were a ton of "supplementary" books released around Gen 1 that could've had that tidbit. Pokedex books, "Trainers Guides" (that have nothing to do with the games), etc. I do also recall Professor Oak sometimes giving misinformation, but I never figured it out as a kid...haha But I'm taking "The grass outside of Pallet Town" as completely canon either way! haha
It would be fun to see the ranges of Pokemon within the first four/five gens (since their ranges kinda jump the shark from gen six onwards). Zubat for example just lives across all of Poke-Japan.
That was a consideration for the direction to take this series. Rest assured that the notes I'm taking are kept in such a way that investigating this down the line should be pretty easy! =D
6:34 Legends Arch is gen8. Letsgo is gen7. Paldea is gen9 just throwing out there 12:40 be happy you are doing this before Legends Za came out. Then you would be suggesting that Terrasoars lived in Industrial revolution France(or atleast thats the current guess on when ZA is set)
Oh it's weirder than that - internally, Arceus apparently claims itself to be Gen IX. The definition of "generation" has gotten way too fuzzy since Gen VII had new Pokémon, not just new forms, thrown in in the later released games, though whether you think of the Ultra games as much more than $40 DLC...
Going forwards in other regions, I like to believe that if a Legendary or Mythical Pokémon was directly tied to its debut region lore, then it is native to the debut region.
Yeah! It was a bad move on my part to put Mew immediately after discussing my criteria, lol For Johto, I quickly put the Legendary Beasts and Ho-oh/Lugia in Johto for their in-game lore. Same with Mewtwo for Kanto. But Mew simply wasn't available to catch in Kanto without glitching.
These days, the lore of Kanto is equal parts what Game Freak intended while programming it between 1990 and 1996 and the crazy stuff we made up on the playground from 1998 onward that we started discussing online. Mew is native to Truck.
I like the idea that Lapras is from the Sevii Islands, because Lapras is one of Lorelei's Pokémon and basically her ace, and we know that she is from the Sevii Islands as well, so maybe she met Lapras there a long time ago, and that's why it's her ace.
@@BabusGameRoom I haven't played much of Fire Red and Leaf Green either. At least not vanilla. I don't even remember where I learned that this where Lorelei comes from. Probably a video talking about the story of the Kanto Elite 4 or something.
In my opinion, the starters are a conservation program, and Legends Arceus backs me up on that because Rowlet, Cyndaquil, and Oshawott are nowhere to be seen in modern-day Sinnoh, but Turtwig, Chimchar, and Piplup are infinitely catchable in Hisui. If you give a bunch of endangered Pokemon to ten year olds setting out on their journeys, they might wind up breeding a lot, and then establishing themselves in the region again; this would explain them being in the wild in Let's Go, because Let's Go are in an AU where Red and Blue already went on their journeys before Team Rocket started to show up.
That's really interesting! I never actually got that far in ORAS, so this was news to me! haha It would've been neat if they at least gave us a little dungeon or something though...
I think I’d personally place the Sevi Islands as apart of the Kanto region, since they’re accessible from Kanto. Makes most sense to me than giving it a separate region 🤷♂️ Love the content!
Thanks so much! =D That would make sense! Though Johto and Kanto are accessible from one another, but are different regions. And I think someone said that the post-game Gen 5 area isn't part of Unova, but I might be mistaken...still though, Sevii Islands as part of Kanto makes sense to me!
Let's Go takes place in alternate timeline as gen 1 because the same story beats happen with different characters. I'd place it a year after Gen 1 so Red and Blue can be your senpais.
Yeah, it is a bit weird like that. It's like Red decided to ignore Giovanni. Or Giovanni tried again after Red and Blue were busy being Champions and whatever. ...guess that'd explain why he disbanded Team Rocket after Gen 1. He lost to a 11-ish-year old TWICE in a row...haha
Great followup vid! Excited to see more of these videos! I agree a Guyana region or anywhere in South America would be very cool to see. Though I've been waiting for an Australia region for a while (not from there but there are a lot of neat ideas for Pokemon and environments you can do in Australia). I would say Sevii Islands are close enough to the Kanto Region to count them as part of it so I think Lapras is in fact a Kanto Pokemon but I understand the logic that says otherwise. And I understand why you wouldn't want to be contradicted with this future region fits this Pokemon pretty well like you said with Reflection Cave and Mr Mime though I do think Exeggcute being in Alola makes too much sense for it to not be originally from there. Now for Aerodactyl, Gen 1 sprites for the Old Amber show the mosquito which was retconned in later gens and I know that Kalos' Mega form is the truest form of it (as scholars claim) but I don't think it's too far of a stretch for mosquitos in ancient Sinnoh/Hisui which is based off of Hokkaido to travel south maybe in the winter (I don't know, I'm not a bug expert) travel south a bit to a warmer climate of Kanto and died there? Just a theory I thought of, I could be wrong on a lot of this though.
Thank you so much! =D Pokemon really does need to head down to the southern hemisphere, huh? It makes sense that the Sevii Islands would be part of Kanto. I just wish they were in more games than FRLG! haha As for Exeggcute, it does seem like they've retconned it to give it a nice place to be from in Alola. You're right -- I just don't want to open the door for future (potentially unlimited) retcons, and I'd rather focus on normal places where a Pokemon is catchable. It's just more satisfying to me! haha With the mosquito, I'm not sure if they'd live long enough to migrate to other regions, and the Old Amber wasn't ever explicitly found in Kanto (unlike the Dome and Helix fossils). So where the mosquito lived is up for debate, but I'd vote that it originally lived (game release-wise) in either ancient Kalos or ancient Johto (if you want to count the Gen 4 retcon where players could get fossils from Rock Smash).
@@BabusGameRoom Right I agree with you on the Exeggcute thing because then it's like you're never done. And yeah you brought up a good point that there was only one Old Amber in Kanto so either one mosquito made it that far or maybe the Kanto scientist visited Sinnoh or Kalos and brought back something he found.
I'll be honest, I'm not terribly big on the criteria listed out, as opposed to discussing where a pokemon is ecologically/geographically from. While I understand wanting a critia that would allow you to settle on something definitive, personally it's simply not as satisfying than trying to map pokemon by looking at their irl inspirations, lore and dex entries. To me, anyways. Not to say the conclusions you've reached and the videos aren't interesting, just that they're using a methodology that I wouldn't have gone with, it wasn't made clear previously be it by video title or explanation, and will bring up some weird edge cases eventually. (As a side note, maybe it would help the flow of the video and overall clarity if you stated your baseline assumptions at the start, as well how you'll treat evidence from game to game? Food for thought.) Also some things I think worth bringing up: - I think its limiting to consider Surf as the main criteria as to whether a pokemon can traverse water (whether by floating, active swimming, etc) or not. Some similar logic applies with Fly. Going by this, Marikarp cannot swim, and Gligar cannot fly. The important part about Surf as a field move is the ability to _ferry a person_ by the pokemon, not an indication if a pokemon can swim or not. - There can be multiple aspects to pokemon designs. Is there any reason that Exeggcute can't be both seeds and eggs? Sure, they resemble eggs superficially and their name includes the word "eggs", but the fact they are a grass type (synonymous with plants), and evolve into a tree even in Gen I would indicate to me that they're seeds of some sort as well. That's more or less what I have to say for this vid that other commenters haven't already said. Despite my personal hangups, its still an entertaining watch. Looking forward to the Gen 3 vid.
I definitely get where you're coming from! Honestly, I figured the "real-world counterpart" thing had already been done to death (not that I really went searching for it), but it's also pretty outside of my area of expertise. Ecology, biology, taxonomy? Nah. Things inside video games? YEAHHH!!! haha Thank you as well for the advice. I think it'd be a good idea to remind viewers of the criteria at the beginning. When I made the second video in this series, the first one only had a few thousand views, I think, and as such a very small audience. So it was written under the assumption that it'd be viewed by the same handful of people who watched the first one and wanted me to "dig deeper". That's not quite the case anymore, and I agree that being upfront would probably be helpful! =D As for Surf, it was mostly a joke -- but I could get behind Magikarp not being able to swim or Gligar not being able to fly. Gligar GLIDES, and Magikarp is too weak to fight against currents...so it just floats around wherever the water takes it unless it evolves, haha (but to be fair, I did mention that Exeggcute really only needs to *float* on water) And Exeggcute is definitely supposed to *be* seeds, but its design is visually (and nominally) based on eggs. The various Pokedex entries describe them as having qualities of both eggs and seeds...I just thought it was common knowledge that they're biologically seeds (and I had probably a dozen comments in the last video saying "but exeggcute are seeds"), so I took that part for granted and just said the "but they're also eggs" part, haha Thanks for your comment, and I'm glad you're looking forward to Gen 3! =D
Something about the Pokedex, we see in Legends Arceus that Pokedex entries were based on real events that the Professor wrote. So at the very least those entries are accurate. But I don't see why only these ones would count if the whole point of the dex is to explain things about Pokémon. As for why some of the entries are ridiculous you got to remember the Pokémon world is a world created to have these creatures. Not the real world were those entries would be ridiculous.
I'd get it if it was some sort of temperature conversion issue, but it's bizarre that the Pokedex would have temperature in "Fahrenheit" (as in Magcargo's entries) at all if it wasn't based on the real world. Both Fahrenheit and Celsius are named after their inventors, but Fahrenheit had some additional arbitrary decisions that would be unlikely to be repeated in a separate world.
@@BabusGameRoom Something we just can't think too hard about or just assume a version of it happened in the Pokémon World. Certain things just have to exist, for it makes sense to the audience.
I imagine there are a lot of rare pokemon that exist in the areas between routes and towns the places you can't go and are not traveled meaning there can be a small population of foreign or even undiscovered pokemon living happily alone in the wild
I love how in the early gens Pokémon kinda sorta took place in the real world with mentions of Guyana and Indian Elephants etc but gradually it's become definitively a separate fantasy world. They want us to forget Guyana was Mew's home but we never will!
This little series has been lovely to watch. It gave a few new perspectives to some of the origins. I'd like to make a claim about Snorlax not being from either Kanto or Sinnoh due to it's message when you defeat one in the field. It says something along the lines of Snrolax returned / fled to the mountains (Sadly the exact quote is not on the wiki from what I saw so I am going off memory here, my apologies). Now, Kanto has some mountains that are sadly devoid of Snorlax so they might be from a yet unnamed region close to Kanto since the north of it seems to be just mountains. One little bit of trivia I did only find out today though is that Snorlax has a special response in HGSS when you talk to it while it follows you in Mt. Silver (though that one is shared by Charizard and Pikachu aswell, so it's most like linked to Red being there also using those Mons) Either way, Sinnoh most likely makes the most amount of sense going by your rules of them being sorta kinda infinitely available there on a honey basis but it's interesting to think about I suppose.
Speaking of Lapras. I have a special one, which is not very rare tbh, but not too easy to get either (using legal methods, of course)... it knows Dragon Breath. It's a gen 2 move that Lapras can only learn by TM in that generation, where TMs were still unique, while Lapras itself appearing only on Fridays in Union Cave. I have it with me in Paldea now.
Lapras being available in Victory Road is technically also post-game content; the area that Bulbapedia labels as “1F Back 2” is only accessible after the hall of fame and solving the Marley sidequest. For what it’s worth I’d personally count Union Cave as being within your rules, making it a Johto native
Oops, you're absolutely right about Victory Road! I checked the maps so carefully to make sure they weren't hidden...but they didn't include NPCs on those maps! ahaha
I believe there was an episode of the anime of pokemon from 5th gen that featured some strange time travel thing going on? and the cast ended up back in time with the prehistoric pokemon tirtuga and archeops; it may also have included some aerodactyl in the background, might be worth a watch, also depends on how much you want to trust the anime for its cannon vs the games Assuming the biology and geology of pokemon parallel real life, it may be a fruitless endevour to try and pin down the origin of aerodactyl specifically. Along with the possible pangea-like continent you mention, pterosaurs in real life (especially the larger winged ones like aerodactyl seems to be) had *enormous* ranges, migrading thousands to TENS OF THOUSANDS of miles, much like modern migratory birds (I believe the current longest migratory bird range is around 60,000 miles?). Even accounting for the possibility that the regions used to be closer together, its still likely that aerodactyl lived its life flying between the equivilent of madagascar and alaska and everywhere in-between. And because of this constant movement of teh whole species, its evolution also becomes hard to pin down, as unlike say "cows originated in europe and were sent to other parts of the world", you cant pin down a single place these came from since before it was aerodactyl it was still in a bunch of regions moving across them all. hey that being said want to try a speculative tree of life featuring the "macro evolution" (hate that phrase, creationists use it to say evolution in real life cant happen, anyway) of some pokemon from one to another? just remember to not fall in the trap of things looking similar means they must be related, convergent evolution exists haha.
Oh, interesting! I've been focusing on the game canon exclusively for these videos, but that's good to know those species' timelines line up in the anime's canon! It makes sense that Aerodactyl would have huge ranges. So even if the mosquito that got trapped in the Old Amber had a short range, that doesn't mean that Aerodactyl didn't also live elsewhere. It just means it's harder to "prove". But great point in the parallels to real world pterodactyls...it'd be hard to track down a "single place" for their origins because their world was so different to ours. As for a "macro evolution" video, I'm not completely opposed to it, but I have virtually no background in animal biology, ecology, or archaeology, so I don't know if I'd be better than anyone else saying "These look alike and share similarities, so they're related by macro evolution!!!" ahaha
I love it when a UA-camr makes a video correcting themself in a non agressive, clearly humble way. It takes a big person to change their mind, and a bigger person to admit it. I will forever consider Lapras a Johto pokemon, but I agree that the migratory with cave breeding is a realistic approach. Thanks for the vid! Also, did you know, each generation so far has added at least 1 pokemon who's inspiration species is native or naturalized to Australia? 1: Kangaskhan 2: Corsola 3: Pelipper 4: Garchomp 5: Scolipede 6: Carbink 7: Komala 8: Grapploct 9: Spidops I personally count a couple starters as well but this is an easier and non-controversial chunk I think XD
haha, thank you so much! I'm not perfect, and I know that I make mistakes. And with a lot of these Pokemon, there are plenty of people who made really compelling arguments. Just because I'm the one that put my arguments into video form doesn't mean my arguments are the best! And with those Australia-inspired Pokemon...I never noticed that! That's really cool! Now I'm hoping for an Australia-based region, too! (but what the heck kind of animal is Carbink based on? haha)
@@BabusGameRoom Carbink looks like a rabbit, of which Australia has a massive problem. It's also a gemstone and Aus has a very famous Opal mine(look up Coober Pedy)
I was definitely wondering what you meant about Aerodactly and Hisui, because even the fossil pokemon native there are only catchable in a space/time distortion. Thankfully this video came up right after the last. Also I did not know about floating coconuts either. I just assumed those get where they are via normal trade and importing.
@@PepeePolska For one: many consider the end of Feudal Japan to be the battle of Sekigahara in 1600 (because they equate Feudal Japan to Sengoku Jidai) though it's true this isn't universal. For two: It would be correct and not at all too strict to differentiate Napoleon's France from feudalism despite feudalism only being finally dismantled a few years earlier. I don't see how it's too nitpicky to point out that it isn't feudal when the whole period is defined by a massive set of government reforms that abolishes the old system.
After your first video I was playing yellow and notice something about Snorlax. If you dont catch and just defeat it, you got a msg "Snorlax returned to the montains". I get that you need a criteria and your is about the mon beeing infinitly avaiable. But what the game is saying is that the Snorlax is native but it lives in a place that is not accessible to the player.
You're right! I am only considering areas that are available to the player, since for my purposes, Kanto is generally "the part of Kanto that's available to the player". I'm looking at it from a game perspective as much as possible, and prioritizing game mechanics over game lore at that. Of course, others have suggested that Snorlax's return to the mountains indicates that it walks all the way back to Sinnoh after being beaten up! haha
on exeggcutor, in '97 the jungle set was released. on the Japanese boxes, it has what looks like an alolan exeggcutor on it. i remember having a promo poster with it and several other mons, like marill b4 it was released, but i can not find that photo anywhere online..
I've seen what you're talking about! I feel like it was on Bulbapedia. Of course, it's hard to know what the intention was (I doubt they had any idea about a region that would become Alola back in the 90's). I also think they originally intended for Pokemon to be of different shapes and sizes, but retconned that pretty early on. Consider the "Shellder" on Slowbro and Slowking's bodies, haha
@@BabusGameRoom of course. i wasn't criticizing your takes, just adding to the convo. if anything i do think that it's the reverse of what you said then tho, that they got the idea of alolan exeggcutor when they made the alola region from that box art/poster. since even tho it said jungle, it was a tropical area. in the various anime and manga, there are different sizes, but i know what u meant.
@@BabusGameRoom i just googled slowbro's pokedex descriptions, and saw that the slowbro and shelder are still separate beings. and if the shelder is ever slung off, it will devolve back into slowpoke. idk why but i thought they fused or something. like once shelder was on, it was then on a slowbro
Ngl your statement in the previous video about the Kanto fossil pokemon (and insinuating pterodactyls existed in feudal japan)(God I wish American cowboys road ceratopsians...) lead me down a mini rabbit hole of scouring through all the fossil pokemon pokedex entries while trying to make an ancient world timeline and I learned a ton of fun little tidbits that I feel like randomly sharing! Assuming the pokedex entries are accurate and not just bullshit (*side eyeing the Bone Wars fossils and how all their entries should just say "Whoopsie"*) I think Kabuto is an interesting one, because while KABUTOPS went extinct KABUTO can still be found in the wild in, I think it was Alola? Referencing that horseshoe crabs are still a thing. One of Kabutops entries state that it STARTED evolving to live on land but didn't evolve fast enough and died out. This is actually interesting because it shows an environment where the only reason Kabutops went extinct is simply because evolving was seen as more of a detriment to the Kabuto and it's survivability became better when staying the same. Omanyte ALSO exists in the wild in a later Gen but it's dex entry states these escaped from a lab and are an invasive species. Omanyte eventually evolves into Omastar who's biggest weakness is dying out when it's shell grows to heavy to allow it the required speed to catch food. Unlike Kabuto deciding evolution was a detriment, Omanyte/Omastar slowly evolved into the modern Octillery, which makes sense that when the shell became less useful, due to slowing down the omastar preventing hunting but ALSO by this point Tirtouga and Carracosta are roaming the primordial sea (and can bite through a steel girder so that shell ain't saving you) the mobility and ability to squeeze into the tiniest of crevices to avoid that terrifying turtle makes a lot of sense! Shellder was also fed upon by Omanyte/Omastar thus making it a living fossil technically as it has existed unchanged since the primordial sea 300 Million Years ago! The age of dinosaur pokemon chilling about started 100million years ago and lileep and Cradily died out right around the start of the dinosaur era.
Thank you for sharing these tidbits! =D That's really interesting about Kabuto. I also like fossils coming back. It tells us where they are now, not as much about where they used to be...but it would definitely give us insight as to what their habitats would've been like back then! Is it actually canon that Omanyte evolved (real-world style, not Pokemon style) into Octillery? That's really cool if they mention that anywhere! Also really liking the idea that the Tirtouga line drove the Omanyte line to extinction. Well, loving it from a hypothetical perspective...thinking about it is a bit sad! lol And that's cool about Shellder! Where's that bit of information from? =o I'm actually surprised that you were able to piece this much together. It normally doesn't seem like Game Freak did their homework for this kind of stuff, ahaha
@BabusGameRoom Citing my Sources: -Omastar's Ultra Sun pokedex entry claims it to be a distant ancestor of Octillery, meaning pokemon don't just Poke-Evolve but there's also a degree of Darwinian evolution within the pokemon world! :D Considering multiple Pokedex entries claim it went extinct when it's shell grew too big to move freely it makes sense hiding would be a better defense when your getting eaten by... everybody... as octopuses can squeeze into anything their little beaky mouth can fit in! -It's mentioned that Omastar preyed on Shellder in it's Gold/Heartgold and Stadium dex entries! -Carracosta has multiple pokedex entries claiming it not only has a bite force strong enough to cut through steel beams, as well as multiple entries that say it eats it's food whole unbothered by shell and bone, Ultra Sun's entry specifcally mentions it preyed on Omastar and Omanyte! -Archeops also apparently preyed on Omanyte according to Ultra Sun.(Though no mention of Omastar) (These poor guys getting eaten...) -Bonus fun fact: Between Aerodactyl, Tyrantrum, and Carracosta I am not surprised the majority of the Age of Dinosaur pokemon are heavily armored. All of them have entries that set them up as being able to tear through metal. -I like that Ultra Sun claims Tyrantrum can't be completely restored, as it sets up, along with Mega Aerodactyl, that aside from Kabuto who is not extinct and has not changed, all the fossil pokemon have the chance of not looking how they should have. I absolutely love natural history and paleontology specifically so it was fun swinging all these entries together. It's sad that most pokedex entries are just repeating the same two or three fact (Ultra Sun had some fun new entries) when it would be a great opportunity to add new fun facts! With how Legends Arceus was willing to do a time travel story I'm not going to lie I would love a whole Legends side game that is a time travel to the Age of Dinosaurs or the Primordial Sea (As the pokedex calls those eras) where all the pokemon are Fossil Pokemon, Pokemon that evolve with Ancient Power, and living Fossils like Relicanth or Shellder! Or even just new regional variants that are ancient versions of their modern counterparts..... and maybe unscramble versions of the Sword and Shield pokemon...? because those poor things are 4 fully realized fossils waiting to happen D: (They put poor Arctovish's Dunkleosteus head on upsidown!!!)
Thank you for sharing those!! I too would like to see unscrambled versions of the fossils...it's funny, but it just seems cruel that those are "real" Pokemon now! lol
I know it's a bit of an old video, but I imagine the Sevii Islands are likely their own region, or at least island territories not claimed in game canon by a region. It's been awhile since I booted up FRLG, but I think that in the town map they have their own, added pages.
I think I'd agree with the Sevii Islands being separate from Kanto -- and I believe there's in-game dialogue that suggests that they are! And it's never too late to comment on our videos! =D
@@BabusGameRoom I know it's a little unrelated to the video, but I'd love a youtuber (maybe you :3) go in depth into the Sevii Islands, what they are for the in game lore, and how every little easter egg and interesting concept made it into the game
Well, Exeggcute's "category" is "Egg Pokemon", so there's that...the closest kind of plant to Exeggcute that I can find seems to be a type of mushroom (which could be a Grass type, but that's very different from coconuts)
Another interesting concept could be naturalized species - non-native species that can independently sustain a population outside of their original habitat. Some naturalized species in real life have been introduced by prehistoric and ancient humans so long ago that today we often don't realize that these aren't actually native. Dingos, for example, were likely brought from SE Asia to Australia by humans a bit over 8000 years ago, house sparrows were brought from Asia to Europe by the Iron Age, and several species of bamboo originating from the Asian mainland were brought to islands like Japan or Taiwan several hundred years ago as ornamental plants or for timber. If we were to assume that prehistory in the Pokémon world was largely similar to our timeline (ie. humanity originating in their equivalent of Africa, migrating out to Poké-Europe, Poké-Asia, Poké-Australia and the Poké-Americas...), it is likely that there are several naturalized species of Pokémon (we do know of recently introduced species like Rattata in Alola).
Wow! Thank you for sharing these facts/hypotheses about real world naturalized species! I'd imagine that for Pokemon, there'd be a bit of a question about whether Pokemon are migrating or are actually naturalized to a region, but for regions that are far apart, that might be easy enough to answer.
The scientific community has long come to consensus that exeggcute was brought to Kanto by Snorlax eating them whole in alola and surfing across the ocean to poop in Kanto.
An egg doesn't necessarily need to be rotten to float, a fertile egg that contains a live embryo can too! It just depends on the age of the egg either way. An air pocket gradually forms as all the membranes and goop inside cool and settle down. The egg floats once this air cell is big enough, and it'll still float with a baby inside 'cuz animals are naturally buoyant unless adapted otherwise. So, having the physical properties of an egg doesn't preclude a living Exeggcute from floating! ;p Being all cracked probably does, though. Maybe they got scuffed up along the way?? Anyway, these videos are great and I love seeing feedback like this taken into account! Gives the impression that you're curious and enjoying everyone sharing ideas and contributing to the conversation. Fun to see your thoughts on this stuff!
Also, I apologise, but I can't help it: I know some of the Pokedex entries call Aerodactyl a dinosaur, but pterosaurs aren't dinosaurs :p they were dinos' closest relatives, though! I'd also definitely still hold by my idea of it being from Kalos rather than Sinnoh even by your basic criteria, completely disregarding the Mega Evolution stuff, just because yeah, being findable in Glittering Cave right away feels more natural than "wait until the postgame and then you can find it underground." In fact, the Old Amber specifically is findable in both X and Y the first time you can access that part of the cave, unlike all the other fossils, which only appear after you've beaten the League. Even the Jaw + Sail fossils are a one-time gift. Really fun to see you agreed and went over both points in this update.
Oh, that's interesting! I didn't know fertilized eggs float! Though, are Exeggcute seeds ever fertilized? Since they...come from eggs themselves. Sometimes? lol Thank you so much for your kind words! =D I definitely am curious and always willing to learn. Like how I learned (or, re-learned?) that pterodactyls aren't dinosaurs! But if the Pokedex says Aerodactyl is a dinosaur, then it must be canon, right??! ahaha
On the topic of Lapras, it’s actually only catchable in a section of the Victory Road in Sinnoh accessible AFTER the National Dex. What’s weird is that the barrier is just a random person blocking it, so it could be argued that it should count as base game. However, many of the pokemon in that section and the areas it leads to are all national dex exclusive and separate from the Sinnoh Dex/Sinnoh natives. Since anything there is technically National Dex exclusive, that would include Lapras. If you choose to look past that, then it would bring Aerodactyl back to Sinnoh since it is also found in base game areas only after receiving the National Dex. This next point is technically regarding the Johto video, but Sinnoh National Dex exclusivity also makes me want to talk about Togepi. Technically, Togepi is catchable in the wild in Sinnoh using the poke radar. The problem with this is that it is in the post game island where the three “areas” exist (Fight, Survival, and Resort). Since this is post game it would seem to not count going by other rules, but I think this island should count as regular Sinnoh. For one, it is always viewable on the Sinnoh Map. It is not in some other section you have to leave the original map from to access, like the Sevii Islands. Second, most characters in game seem to treat it like part of Sinnoh. Barry’s father even works there, while he and his mother live on the mainland. Third, the Sinnoh gym leaders can all be found on a daily basis there for rematches, so it can’t be that distinct or else they’d surely be shirking their gym duties? Overall, I’d argue the Sinnoh postgame islands should count as Sinnoh. This makes Togepi a Sinnoh pokemon. Togepi’s last evolution is also available in Sinnoh games first, so that’s too. That being said, I’m also too tired to think about whether including the Sinnoh postgame messes up any of your other classifications. It definitely could I don’t know
Darn. Thanks for the correction on Sinnoh Lapras! I looked at the maps, and they didn't include NPCs. I thought I checked carefully...ahaha I would consider an area being blocked by someone different than something that starts "magically appearing" in existing areas because the player received the National Dex, though. Old Ambers suddenly appearing in Sinnoh feels like magic. Lapras being blocked by a person feels silly, but at least "normal", haha The issue with Togepi in Sinnoh for me isn't the fact that it's post-game, but the fact that it requires the PokeRadar. Using special tech in regular areas to find new Pokemon feels like it's more of a gameplay bonus for beating the game, rather than the actual location of Pokemon. It's in a post-game area regardless, but the PokeRadar's mechanics do stuff that feels like "magic" as I mentioned above. Once things start getting "magical", to me, that feels like gameplay bonus rather than canon stuff. It could be argued either way, though!
Definitely worth mentioning when Pokémon are apparently native to more than one region. Kangaskhan and Mr. Mime for example are also native in Kalos, but can be found in the Gen II games and their remakes, while Alolan Rattata and Galarian Mr. Mime are examples of Darwinian/Branching Evolution/mutation. Scyther are apparently native to Alola and Kalos, unless future lore says otherwise. I could go on, but I should have made my point, and included enough interesting examples. Not everything necessarily has to be such a simple one-word answer.
For the purposes of this list, I'm just placing them based on where they first meet the criteria (by the games' release dates). Where the Pokemon are natively caught at all would be another list entirely!
@@BabusGameRoom I do appreciate when you went out of your way to mention other examples however, such as Rattata apparently being native to Johto, even though they were first introduced in Kanto.
While it doesn’t change anything, the logic that Mega Arodyctal being the true form of the species and thus it must be native to Kalos just doesn’t line up with the lore around Mega evolution. No Arodyctal could have Mega evolved in pre-history, as no Pokémon was capable of Mega evolution until AZ blew up his big machine 3,000 years prior to X and Y, potentially bar Rayquaza, and even then it requires humans for the process, which very likely did not co-exist with Arodyctal. What is more likely happening is what we call Mega Arodyctal was simply the species native state back then, and issues with the fossil revival process prevented its full return in the modern era. The unrelated process of Mega Evolution then corrects the flaws, returning Arodyctal to its true form.
@@BabusGameRoom yep, the fact all non-Galar Fossils are Rock type, the Galar Fossils are sins against Arceaus, and the past Paradox Pokémon are so different are strong supporting evidence to the fossil restoration process being wack. Additionally, Hoenn is also host to Mega Evolution, so Kalos wouldn’t even be the only option if Mega was even a factor
You can also catch wild Eevee in Lets Go. In reality, Lets Go does more harm or good for the context of this video anyways, since in Lets Go, we don't have a Safari Zone, so we can infinite catch Scyther/Tauros/Dratini/Pinsir as well, as well us having infinite Snorlax in Cerulean Cave and then i haven't even mentioned the exclusive Game Corner mons being catchable, as well as Hitmonchan and Hitmonlee. And then we have the issue of Lets Go also having Mega Evolution, placing Aerodactyl in Kanto instead of Kalos. Yeah, i don't count post-game or DLC for that matter either, else all the fossils are native to Galar (Using your definition), since you can infinite catch them there. However, come to think of it, we should probably not use the term native to a region, but rather use origin for the term instead Like for example - Stantler is native to Johto, since it can be found in the wild there. However, it finds its origin in Hisui, due to Wyrdeer being a thing in Hisui, but not the other regions Its the same for Zigzagoon as well... We have Hoennian and 'Galarian' Zigzagoon. One is native to Hoenn and one to Galar... however... both find their origins in Galar, as the Galarian Zigzagoon is the original Zigzagoon. Going into a technicality, is that we shouldn't refer to Galarian Zigzagoon as Galarian Zigzagoon, since we technically just should call it Zigzagoon, since its the original and we should refer to the Hoenn Zigzagoon as the Hoennian Zigzagoon, since that one is the form.
That's definitely true about Let's Go! Thankfully, most of the mons you mentioned have been "resolved" in earlier gens, and I'm going by the release order of games. They only end up coming before Galar, Hisui, and Paldea for now, and MOST Kanto Pokemon have "explanations" by Gen 6, haha I never did look into why Let's Go has Mega Evolution. Other than "Kanto needed something new" lol All the changes they keep adding are why I'm going by release order of the games. To me, having a stopping point is better than leaving things open for Game Freak to change things indefinitely...like retroactively giving us a Hoennian Zigzagoon! haha
2:46 Regarding Exeggcute, if the pokedex entry is to be believed, then the tropics would exclude Hoenn and the Sevii Islands. Hoenn may have a nice and mild climate, but it's based on the island of Kyushu in Japan, lying ~800km above the Tropic of Cancer. The Sevii Islands are based on the Izu Islands and a couple of the Ogasawara islands. Again, the islands they're based upon in the Ogasawara are still some 300km away from the tropics. I know in another video you said your focus was just on info from the games because the anime played a little too fast and loose, but the tall Alolan Exeggutor debuted in some promotional art for the 1997 Jungle TCG set in Japan, predating the gen 3 pokedex entry by several years (as well as Johto and the North American release of Red and Blue). Jungle, and the next set Fossil contained many pokemon you had on your non-Kanto list. They were seemingly left out of the base set, perhaps because they truly came from some far off land, distant from Kanto. If the artwork depicts Exeggutor as nice and tall in their native land, the short ones we see in game must have been imported. Just some deep lore to consider here.
Sevii Islands are likely based on the island chains south of Tokyo, which actually count as part of the city of Tokyo, weirdly enough. For that reason, I think you could argue they are just part of Kanto.
One thing I considered after watching this video was the specific Dex entries about Exeggcute being from a Tropical region, and as it turns out- Johto and Alola both fit this criteria, to the best of my understanding. Johto, according to what I found on Bulbapedia, is closely related to the Kansai region in real life Japan, which seems tropical from my research. And Alola, based on Hawaii, is obviously a Tropical region. Now, I believe I previously suggested it was up in the air for whichever region is more accurately the native home to Exeggcute. And this doesn’t super lend evidence to either side. I just thought it would be interesting to see how the real world Japan climate helped or hurt the Ruby/Sapphire Dex entry and gave a more definitive answer on that front. But it didn’t, lol.
Oh man, is Johto/Kansai actually tropical?! A quick search suggests they have some "tropical islands", but I'm wondering if that's a translation issue, haha I could see Hoenn being considered tropical, but maybe the Exeggcute are really from Johto, and have just headed to the mainland from their habitat on the tropical island off the Johto map...for whatever reason! ahaha
@@BabusGameRoom I couldn’t get a definitive answer, but what I did see suggested tropical/subtropical or something. It at least puts Johto in the conversation.
Even if Union Cave Lapras is technically infinitely obtainable, the mechanic of it showing up "every friday" is clearly playing into the idea of it traveling a lot, which in my mind makes this encounter at most evidence for it being a frequent "visitor" of the Johto region rather than coming from it. I like the thought of it being from the Sevii islands, as it makes sense in a lot of ways; - those being an archipelago of islands spread out across bigger distances; the perfect environment for Lapras; - while also being close enough to Johto to explain its Union Cave visits; - and even though I normally don't like anime connections as evidence, the instrumental role of a Lapras as the "Transport Pokémon" in the entire Orange island season (likely a major inspiration for the Sevii islands as an addition in the first place), makes it feel perfect But at the same time, the Sevii islands being an addition specific to a remake, makes them feel less strongly canon than if it was a location we had reasons to think existed in the world of an original main game. So I think it's worth contemplating the next potential places on the list: Its appearance in the Sinnoh victory road is post-game exclusive, so I'm not sure that should count, as post-games often expand the fauna drastically as more of a game feature. Village Bridge in Unova faces a similar issue. The Azure Bay in Kalos however, not only has Lapras available as a normal wild encounter, within the initial adventure part of the game and the regional Pokedex, you're also gifted one right there from an NPC, and to highlight its presence further, you can even get a photo taken exclusively at this photo spot while on the back of Lapras! On Azure Bay, Lapras feels the most at home it's ever felt. It's not just hiding in some specifically cold cave ocassionally, it's not just a stop on its routes, it's out in the open water, being true to its nature.
I agree, Lapras does seem like a "frequent visitor" rather than a regular wild encounter in Johto. If Lapras were available all over the Sevii Islands, I'd be inclined to agree about those as well. However, it's not found in the waters around the islands, it's specifically in a cave (and at a 1% encounter rate to boot). That causes me to lean towards the idea that it's migrating through there too, just like it did in Johto. (Also consider that FRLG didn't have a day of the week mechanic...or did they? lol Otherwise, Lapras may have been given the same treatment as it got in Johto). I didn't realize that the Sinnoh appearance was also post-game exclusive, though! Oops! I'm normally counting post-game areas if it's in a fairly normal area (e.g., part of the region, no special technology, no space/time weirdness, etc)...but still. Funny how Kalos could potentially end up getting another Gen 1 Pokemon though! Great find! =D
Lapras is indeed catchable in Victory Road in Sinnoh, but the specific areas of Victory Road where it is only open up after beating the main game, hence making it a post-game Pokémon, just in a non-Post game area. Sort of. I do agree Lapras is not native to a region, but the ocean instead. That's a good way of thinking about it I believe.
technically you do go to space in the Delta Episode of OR/AS but I definitely don't think that counts as a region, it's literally a cutscene and one encounter. Spacemon would be awesome, I'm sure there's a fangame about that somewhere. I would personally put the Sevii islands as part of Kanto but that's entirely based on the fact they're only really in FR/LG. in terms of timeline there's an argument for the Let's Go games being at the same time as OG R/B/Y but in another timeline. since mega evolutions are only found in Kalos, OR/AS Hoenn and Let's Go Kanto (excluding their postgame appearance in Su/Mo, since that seems to be the established precedent for this series) and Mega Stones in lore (I believe? it's been a while since I played X/Y) are the result of the whole superweapon thing in X/Y's lore (iirc there's also some stuff in OR/AS postgame that references a potential Hoenn where this event didn't happen and mega evolution was never a thing, referencing the OG Hoenn games, but postgame is postgame). You could use this to put Let's Go Kanto and OG Kanto as different regions based on alternate universes, the one where AZ built the superweapon thingy and Mega Evolution is possible, and the one where he didn't. I realise that OR/AS could be the only one that's an alternate universe and Mega Evolution / the superweapon in Kalos is canon in the main timeline, and also adding alternate timelines to this opens a whole can of worms regarding remakes in general, but I believe OR/AS postgame is the only time it's directly referenced that this is a possibility in game. Sorry for the long comment that isn't formatted and full of half remembered information, I'm very tired.
I actually didn't know that about ORAS! But you're right, it doesn't feel anything like a region if it's just a cutscene and an encounter, haha Great points about the other games, as well! I guess Legends: Z-A will tell us more about that superweapon thing. But I don't know if I want to start counting "multiple universes", since that just feels like an easy answer to everything, ahaha
I think national dex/post-game rule should be on a case by case basis. Some stuff is added just to be rewards and excuses to bring back old pokemon, yes, but places like the Sevii Islands are definitely lore-friendly and 3 of them are even accessible before the national dex. Likewise, with Unova, you explore different parts of Unova in each game so it's just as valid as Kanto in Gen 2
Yes, I'm definitely taking them on a case-by-case basis. I'm not completely opposed to putting Lapras in the Sevii Islands, for instance! With Unova, I've had some commenters inform me that all of the newly-introduced Pokemon in B2W2 are explicitly non-native and newly introduced. As well, the White Forest doesn't really seem like a "normal area" to me, what with it being influenced by which people are present. Were there other Pokemon in other parts of Gen 5 that you were thinking of?
@@BabusGameRoom To add to this thing about Lapras in the Sevii Islands. You actully have to visit the first three islands after beating Blaine. Bill is waiting for you outside the gym and takes you to the first island, and if you go with his you have to do a series things before you can go back to the main land. So you can only count the forth island(where you find Lapras) and onward as post-game.
That's true! I wasn't sure if I wanted to include new Gen retcons when I originally decided on Sinnoh for Aerodactyl. Kalos does coincide with a bunch of other tidbits that people really liked though (particularly the Mega evolution thing)!
@@BabusGameRoom well, in the Kanto and Johto games leaf stones are only available through gifts and purchases, but they're only available through repeatable methods in the kalos games. Soooo 🤔
Alolan Exeggutor was probably at leas partialy inspired by the booster box. Also Pokemon Home refers to the original variant as just the species name, Ie Alolan Meowth and Galarian Meowth are referred to as Alola Form and Galar form while regular Meowth is just Meowth. I don't think the more common forms are referred to as Kantonian/Hoenn/Unovan/Kalos Pokemon normally. Also a few regional Variants are stated to be the original in universe. Galarian Zigzagoon is stated to be the oldest known form and Alolan Exeggutor is theorized to be the original.
Yeah, someone drew something interesting for fun, and someone later saw it and said "Let's make it real", haha Good point on the naming conventions. But it's weird that Galarian Zigzagoon would be "the original" but also a "Galarian Form". You'd think the original would just be "Zigzagoon" and then we'd have "Hoennian Zigzagoon" or something. Game Freak does NOT make this easy for us! haha
@@BabusGameRoom Proably in universe the hoenn Zigzagoon would be the common variant. I'd imagine that in universe it was assumed that regular Zigzagoon was assumed to be the original until genetic evidence or fossil record proved other wise. Also across the entire switch libray of pokemon games don't add any reference to form on the first debut variants like they do with regoinal variants and pokemon with named forms like Oricorio and Basculin.
12:04 there are some mega dex entries that say that dorment or latent powers/genes were awaken from mega evolution like mega amphos getting hair again ans becoming part dragon
6:27 In 1869, ~Hokkaidō~ sorry, Sinnoh was host to the short-lived Ezo Republic, founded by forces loyal to the Tokugawa bakufu in ~Yedo~ Saffron who had lost the Bōshin War against the Emperor and his forces. Two of the founders of the Ezo Republic were Jules Brunet and André Cazeneuve, members of a French military mission to Japan from 1867 who had refused to leave after being recalled by the French government. So maybe they and their associates/hangers-on brought veevees with them from Kalos, who became an invasive species in Hisui and the Japanese archipelago more generally. 13:18 The Orange and Sevii Islands are both based on the Bōnin/Ogasawara island chain off the “corner” of Japan, and are administratively part of Tōkyō Prefecture. So I count them as part of the Kantō region. As for Guyana, I and a few of my friends on Discord headcanon that Holon from the TCG is Lake Maracaibo and the surrounding region of Venezuela, due to the Catatumbo lightning that occurs there. (We need more TCG sets with lore.)
saw this after leaving a long comment about exeggcute on the other video only for the points to be brushed on here, oops i know these videos focus exclusively on the game lore so maybe this isn't in consideration, but it's worth mentioning some artwork (cant remember where its from, TCG promotional material i think?) depicts Exeggutor in its elongated form 10+ years before it became real in Gen 7, so its possible this was thought of from the start (especially with the real-world inspiration of Japan and Hawaii)
6:55 By this definition, Eevee IS from Unova. Yes, it’s a city, but it’s not some trophy garden situation. It does seem like wild Pokémon. Animals live in cities. As for it not being in BW1… how do you know? You can’t get to the area with Eevee in BW1 to check if they’re there or not. I swear, Eevees home region is going to go back and forth every video lol
There's been a lot of back and forth about Eevee, but the B2W2 Pokemon are explicitly non-native as far as I know. Even if the area isn't accessible, some commenters have mentioned that there's NPC dialogue that says the new (non-Gen 5) Pokemon in Unova have been introduced in the time skip between BW and B2W2. That would go against the "normal" part of the definition, haha
@@BabusGameRoom Just an encounter map if I’m understanding correctly. From what I remember, it’s one of the final battles in the post game and involves encountering/capturing Rayquaza at Sky Pillar, riding it into space, and battling Deoxys. It isn’t really an area, more so a cutscene and BOOM! Deoxys. Serebii has a complete breakdown of everything about it including the lead up if you’re interested. Should be able to just search for “Delta Episode” and find it in the first few results.
@@BabusGameRoom Not even an encounter map really. It's a cutscene from the Sky Pillar that leads directly into a battle in space and then returns to the sky pillar after it's over. ua-cam.com/video/jPqWP_9vxbk/v-deo.html
The timeline probably causes some interesting implications though. Chronologically, Exeggcute's recording in the Hoenn dex would happen before the Johto games do, because supposedly Kanto/Hoenn happen at the same time... Wouldn't that make it being from the tropics supercede where we first technically see it? Yes, retcons are opinion, but I feel like in current canon that's the case
Chronologically by game canon, but my preference is to go by the games' release date as much as possible. I've also had others suggest that parts of Johto could be considered tropical if we're going by real-world parallels. But I'm not entirely convinced yet that it isn't just marketing fluff, haha
I believe you got the wrong Guyana.
The Guyanas encompass the ex- Spanish, English, Dutch, French and Portuguese Guyanas, which is now Venezuela, Guyana, Suriname, Frenh Guiana, and Amapa in Brazil.
See how Guyana and Guiana are spelt differently. In Japanese, Guyana and Guiana are also spelt differently. You even show it at 7:59. Guyana is ガイアナ Ga-i-a-na, while Guiana is ギアナ Giana). And they took the "Giana" one, as French Guiana.
*Mew originally comes from French Guiana, not Guyana, according to Japanese source.*
And it makes more sense for French Guiana to be where on earth it was found. Mew is said to be the origin of all life on earth (in the lore). It is a wink to a popular belief that life comes from outer space. Thus, its apparence in Space in the anime and Pokémon Snap. You know where the European Union have their Spaceport? In French Guiana.
It also explain Team Rocket's quest for Mew or Mewtwo. You may wonder why Team Rocket and their admin has rocketry name? Because, well because of the space theme, which is further link to French Guiana and its spaceport.
Oh man, thank you for that correction!
A lot of things are starting to come together for me. People thanking me for pronouncing Guyana properly, but I knew there's also French Guiana, but being Canadian, I guessed that it'd be pronounced more like "Gee-a-na".
Google Translate sometimes gave me ガイアナ, and sometimes gave me ギアナ. I thought it was one of those things where they just changed the spelling at some point. I'm aware of country names being pronounced, uh, "interestingly", even though the sounds would be available in the other language, haha
I never made the connection since I would've expected to see something to indicate Guiana's "French" status in Japanese, haha
And you're blowing my mind with all of the space and Team Rocket stuff -- I love it!
@@BabusGameRoom This is my head canon. French Guiana makes more sense, so I am arguing about a mistranslation.
Spanish and Italian versions are also talking about Guyana, but they took the English version as their basis. That is why they have the same English name for their Pokémon (not localized).
Meanwhile, French and German versions are different: they are translated directly from Japanese! The translator were Julien Bardakoff and Thomas Spindler. And they didn't pick Guyana! Instead they picked... "X" and "No Man's Land" _(Niemandsland)_ respectively. Yeah... underwhelming development, isn't it?
I can't speak about the other languages, I cannot speak or decypher them.
So my only argument is taking the orthography of Guyana / Guiana in the Japanese version. Weak, isn't it?
*Fun fact:* Bardakoff and Spindler were also the first voice actors of Luigi and Wario. First as the Mario Kart 64 Japanese version _(Luigi is the Pope!)._ But if you played Mario Party 1 or 2, you heard their voices!
French Guiana? You mean KALOS Guiana?
So, we had a lot of nearby places named Guiana. And what Guiana means to be used like that? It seems is the name the natives used to a large region where those countries take place. And in their language means "land of much water", therefore Mew is from Hoenn😅
@@Clemehl because of your comment i found out that japan calls french guiana フランス領ギアナ, which is literally the same, フランス領(french territory) ギアナ(guiana).
and also that both guyana and guiana, plus suriname, delta amaruco and guyana region( both from venezuela) and amapá (from brazil) are called the guyanas, guiana or guayanas.
this holds true in japanese, so possibly when the journal referred to ギアナ it may have referred the whole guyana region, not any specific country
(i'm sorry if something is not understanable, english is my second language)
We can mathematically estimate how buoyant exeggcute is. The dex entry puts the pokemon at 5.5 pounds and just over a foot tall. The eggs are roughly spherical so each would displace about a half cubic foot or 3.89 gallons. Water weighs about 8 pounds. Not only does exeggcute float, they float extremely high in water.
Oooh, that's great!
I don't know if I'd call them spherical. Ob...loid? Ovoid? Sounds like an egg word, too, haha
So maybe Exeggcute really can float!
It's hard to be sure if the measurements are for one or many of the Exeggcute seeds, but if it were for just one seed, then it'd probably just make them even more likely to float.
...and I would be really impressed if Game Freak considered any of this when filling in those numbers for Exeggcute, haha
If we're going by the Pokédex, apparently Wailord's density is so low it would float in *air*.
Well, it does look like that's how it moves around when you send it out of the Pokeball! lol
Exeggutor Surf when
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late to the party, but it sounds like an egg word because "oval" itself comes from Latin "ōvālis" which basically means "egg-y"
and as for them not being spheres messing with the calculations, as I understand it, physicists like to pretend a lot of things are spherical for the sake of simpler calculations, (there's a famous joke about physicists assuming a spherical cow) so I'd say an egg is actually reasonably close to a sphere
Has Pokemon ever officially used the naming convention of "Kantonian Rattata" or something similar? I haven't seen them do anything like that - they've always just said "Rattata" unless they're specifically referring to "Alolan Rattata." As far as I can see, they're open to Rattata and other pokemon being native to multiple regions - it's just the regional variants themselves that are from one region in particular.
Yes! I’m pretty sure in either SM or USUM, Kukui calls the player’s mother’s Meowth a “Kantonian Meowth”
@@brandonjw1215 he said what about my mom?!
@@brandonjw1215 Huh, neat. Guess I stand corrected!
@@mbii7667You know who else says stuff about ur Mom ???
@@massivelegend6610 deez nuts
Technically we do go to space in oras when we go fight deoxys. We wear a space suit and everything
Lol
Oh man, I never did that in ORAS. That's neat!
Is there an actual dungeon, or is it just an encounter map?
@@BabusGameRoom It's a cutscene and a single battle against Deoxys. Very cool though.
Fun Fact: the reason Lapras is limited repeated in gen 2 is because it was an endangered species at first in the series but later on it's species made a recovery due to conservation efforts.
From gen 1 - gen 6 Lapras was an endangered species. From pokemon Moon's entry: "These Pokémon were once near extinction due to poaching. Following protective regulations, there is now an overabundance of them."
So it's safe to say Lapras can be native to both Sinnoh and Johto as places they are breeding grounds, outside of that they are more of an ocean species.
That makes a lot of sense! And it's actually a heart-warming story instead of a depressing one, like a lot of the other ones that have to do with Pokemon going nearly extinct...ahaha
@@BabusGameRoom A little like the history of Lions in Europe and North Africa. Hunted, the last survivors ended up living in the mountains. The last lion in Europe went extinct less than 1000 years ago (medieval period!) and it has been 50 years that Barbary Lion in Maghreb region has not be sighted (we have photography of them!).
Lapras could have the same fate. Prized and hunted, the last remnant seek refuge in more inhospitable place like a cave.
Adding to this with something I thought about: Blueberry Academy near Unova. Now I don’t know if the game states how “new” Blueberry Academy and the Terrarium are, but what we see in game is numerous species conserved, including Hisuian Quilfish, Cleavor (through its evolution item), several Alolan forms, and most importantly for this, Lapras. Blueberry Academy may well have played a hand in the conservation efforts of Lapras!
I think faraway island IS the Guyana region Pokémon has a habit of using real world things as placeholders until they add an in lore equivalent
For example:
Before Gen 8: FireRed Its electric charges can reach even 100,000 volts. Careless contact can cause even an Indian elephant to faint.
After Gen 8: Legends: Arceus It can discharge bursts of electricity exceeding 100,000 volts- a single strike with that amount of power would incapacitate one of the Copperajah of my homeland.
Maybe Faraway Island is IN the Guyana Region.... so, this way, we still don't know its name and it keeps being a mysterious place/region (and it can be properly introduced in a future generation)...
Guyana *has* Islands, but it's not just an island. Faraway Island is way too small (and uninhabited) to be all of Guyana, imo! haha
One thing you gotta keep in mind is that in the earlier games gens and dex entries (specially regarding to Kanto stuff) is that they (Gamefreak) initially might have thought the Pokemon world to be the same as our world, given that Satoshi Tajiri's main inspiration for Pokemon was his experiences as a kid in bug catching, which is also backed up by the fact that the first games take place in a region that goes by the name of a same place in our world, Kanto's Japan. After Red and Green, they still made some references to our world locations for a while with namedrops like South America on Xatu's dex, China on Arcanine's or India on Raichu's, but as far as I remember they stopped doing that with newer mons by gen 5 and nowadays they sometimes recontextualize these old mentions to our would in more recent entries by changing the name of our world location to a generic place/unnamed region/stuff like that, like Raichu's indian elephant entry in older games that in a new game (Legends Arceus) states that it can knock out a Copperajah.
Additionally, when gen 1 was being made the intention was clearly that this is the real world but with Pokemon. The og Japan only Pokedex/lore book makes reference to even more countries and Kanto is an actual Japanese region. But by gen 2, they decided to use different names. I've also absolutely used real country names while discussing my headcanons as a stand-in for "region inspired by" (I considered similar project to this, but one that considers origins a lot. For example the Tepig line would be native to China)
also in fire red and leaf green lt. surge is american
My uncle works at Nintendo and he told me that Gen 10 is going to be the region "Exeggutia" which is canonically where exeggute comes from.
I still think the "where do they geographically come from" question is worth answering, and kind of the first thing one things with titles like this.
It's definitely a good question! The catch is that it's a lot harder to answer conclusively. And as I mentioned, it's also liable to be changed at any point in the future.
It'd be easy enough to see where a Pokemon is most common, but even that isn't the best indicator -- invasive species can have a much greater population than native species, for example.
I mean... yes... its a question worth answering, but the problem lies in the Water and Flying type Pokemon who can freely roam and navigate the Pokemon World, as they aren't limited to land. Then there is the issue of Kitakami, which in itself is its own region. However, are you going to count it, because its a DLC region.
Like obviously, with Lapras being based on the Loch Ness Monster, geographically and design wise, you can only place them in Galar.
Then there is the issue with baby Pokemon as well.
Pichu can first be caught in the wild in Alola, suggesting the line is from there. However, its only catchable in 2 locations. However, in Kitakami its the most abundant, suggesting its from Kitakami.
Cleffa - again, can be found in Sinnoh first, but is most abundant in Kitakami.
Igglybuff - Most abundant in Paldea, while you can catch it first in Alola
Togepi - Only region its catchable in without bringing in a mechanic like Pokerader is Galar.
Tyrogue - Galar (Most abundant there)
Some Pokemon are more abundant than others in certain regions. Like, Eevee is either from a region that introduced an Eeveelution, but thats made problematic a little bit as well, since you cannot catch Eevee in gen 1, gen 2, gen 4 in the wild, effectively placing Eevee in Kalos. However, placing Eevee in Kalos might be a stretch as well, considering you can only catch it at Route 10 and even then it only has a 5% encounter rate, suggesting Eevee is really rare in Kalos as well. Eevee is probably from Galar, not only can it Gigamax, its also found in the most locations in Galar. So while Eevee might be native to other regions, it might find its ORIGINS in Galar (So i feel like Origin would be a better term to use to pinpoint where a Pokemon is from is actually better).
@@nickdentoom1173The babies bring up an interesting question for sure. Those introduced in Gen II, with the exception of Togepi, clearly were supposed to be just from where their parents were from, we just never saw them even if it would make more sense to - looking specifically at the three which evolve by level and are available *very* below that level in the wild in GSC and HGSS. The two from Gen III make it weirder still - Marill is only in Mt. Mortar at a 1% chance, but abundant in Hoenn. Wynaut is the *only thing* you find on Mirage Island, while Wobbuffet is much more common in Dark Cave than Marill is in Mt. Mortar. Then there's Gen IV - that's all over the place. Sudowoodo may be Gen II, but it's a one off like Snorlax, so it can't be truly Johtonian. Mantine is Gen II too, but it's kinda weird that we find no Mantyke in Johto when the only Remoraid you'd be able to find to evolve it are restricted to a landlocked lake in the mountains, while in Sinnoh and later regions, Mantyke and Remoraid are found in the same place. And then there's Riolu. Same deal as Togepi, but clearly intended as native to Sinnoh.
@@doomsdayrabbit4398 Your Mantine argument is exactly why we cannot pinpoint the exact origin region for Water and Flying type. For all we know the Mantine in Johto, migrated there when they evolved from Mantyke, but the distance is too far for Mantyke to travel too.
@@nickdentoom1173 I was thinking more Wingull than Mantine for that. And yeah, sure, in Gen IV it needed incense to breed Mantyke, but then how does that explain there being wild ones of the incense babies in Hoenn and Sinnoh?
Weird thing on Clefairy and a neat bit of folklore studies that a lot of people don't know about, it's actually believed by some folklorist believe that alien encounters and sightings may be a modern version of fairy and elf sightings of the olden days. So Clefairy being a fairy from space may be a reference to that.
That sounds legit! We've long-since found everything possible on land and in the forests, but space?! That's where the new scary, small, human-shaped creatures come from.
...now it's just making me believe that any sightings like that were mostly just kids playing pranks, haha
You know, I never really thought of that.
I think an overlooked idea would be invasive species. Just because it's able to be caught in abundance, doesn't necessarily mean it's native to an area.
That's true! I'll be taking it into consideration when it's explicitly mentioned.
See Alolan Rattata
I subbed because of this video, very few poke channels listen to criticism and actually use the comments to improve theory’s/lists. Great work
Wow, thank you so much! =D
As a smaller channel, it's easier for me to stay connected to the fans through comments. I'm currently at the stage where I can not only read every top-level comment, but also reply to them. And a lot of commenters made really great points! (and clearly, I make lots of mistakes, ahaha)
Regarding Mew, even in the original Japanese Red and Green, it does first say Mew is from Guyana. The retcon later on was not necessarily to change where it was from so much as it was to remove the references to the real world. There are other examples of this happening over time as well, the most easily notable being Raichu. An early Pokedex entry says it can knock out an Indian Elephant, but a later entry changes it to a Copperajah, removing the reference to the real world and replacing it with a Pokemon equivalent. This would suggest that for Mew, the change to being found in a jungle is just to remove the reference to Guyana. If there was already a Guyana-inspired region, that's likely what they would have put instead. But rather than mislead fans by naming a region that doesn't exist, locking them into that name while fans repeatedly cry out for that region to finally appear and get angry over a tease like that, they decided to be vague.
Basically, yes, it comes from an unknown Guyana-inspired region, which Faraway Island is a part of. If and when we will ever go there beyond just Faraway Island is... Unlikely. It's unlikely they'd want to give unlimited access to Mew, so they'd have to find a way to prevent access to Faraway Island without refraining from mentioning it entirely. Or they would have to find a way to explain why Mew is suddenly no longer available there (it is implied that Faraway Island specifically is uninhabited and remote, so maybe they could just have that change in the time since Mew was discovered, with people of the region starting to inhabit the island and thus unintentionally scaring off any remaining Mew, but that feels unlikely to happen). I think the most we can expect would be more events taking us there instead of a full region, as much as I personally would love to eventually have regions based on every part of the world.
You're definitely right that the retcon was to remove references to the real world. Some commenters seemed to believe that the Guyana part was added to the English release of RB though, so I wanted to dispell that notion.
They could still have a game in the region that owns Faraway Island though! Mew doesn't need to be plentiful. It could be a more regular legendary/mythical in that region, and that'd be more than enough. Heck, just let players Surf to Faraway Island (maybe in the post-game), and let them play out the same Mew event from before! haha
@@BabusGameRoomThey made Deoxys a normal Legendary in ORAS.
@@Wertercat I'm not clear on the definition between Legendary and Mythical...but wouldn't that just mean they made Deoxys (as a mythical) available in ORAS?
@@BabusGameRoom It's not a Mythical because there's no event required. You can catch it as a normal part of the postgame
@@Wertercat That makes sense. I'm not sure what the definition actually is...Bulbapedia says they're Pokemon that are "usually" event-only, but says that starting with Gen 6, they started including Mythicals in the games without events.
Deoxys' appearance in ORAS is explicitly listed as a mythical Pokemon that's available in-game.
Sorry to correct your corrections, but exeggcute’s bulbapedia page says it’s more closely related to seeds than to eggs. Granted, some seeds still don’t float.
Also, don’t all the Kanto games canonically take place in separate timelines? Isn’t that why there’s mega evolution in the Let’s Go games but not the Gen 1 or 3 games?
Great video btw! 🙌 Love these
Thank you so much! =D
They're related to seeds in that they fall from "trees" rather than come out of an animal's behind, and may they grow in soil...but just look at them! They're clearly pink eggs! ahaha
It may be that the only way to make sense of some of these things is to go with separate timelines, but I want to do as little of that as possible. But since Let's Go seems to take place chronologically after Gen 2 (which is explicitly 3 years after Gen 1), I think it's safe to put it in the same timeline.
The remakes, however, are more "retellings" rather than "different timelines" imo. I'm not sure what the difference is, but there aren't TOO many inconsistencies between RB and FRLG, at least in terms of the habitats and such that I'm discussing...at least, I think so! lol
@@BabusGameRoom in LGPE Blue takes over the Viridian City gym without the 3 year wait. There's no Janine in the Fuchsia City gym too, also no Koga, Karen in the elite 4 in any point of the game, meaning this takes place before gen 2.
@@iuxbaesuzystanyeah I thought LGPE took place a year or two before the Johto games. Also the volcano on Cinnabar hasn’t erupted yet but it’s becoming more active during the LGPE games. I’ve always wondered whether the battle between Groudon and Kyogre in Hoenn took place on some kind of fault line and it’s their battle that caused the volcano in kanto to erupt. Plus having the Hoenn games take place slightly after the kanto games allows for Professor Oak (the creator of the Pokédex) to create and distribute pokedexes to the other professors of neighbouring regions.
Great points!
i think the question of "what region were they first infinitely catchable?" is getting a bit muddled with stuff like discussions of exeggutor and clefairy. even if they *did* originally evolve (like irl evolution not pokemon evolution) in another region (or planet) and then migrate to kanto or johto later, that shouldn't matter based on your criteria. i think the question of where these pokemon geographically originated is interesting, but it seems like a different question from the one posed by these videos. like, just because a mon is infinitely catchable in a region doesn't mean they didn't first evolve in the region right-next-door which we might hypothetically explore next generation. for example, if gen 10 has a new infinitely catchable wild pokemon who's described as "originating from the mountains in the east" and then gen 11 take place in a region to the east of gen 10's region and this hypothetical pokemon is found in the mountains there, and stated by local NPCs as having originated there, then you have a bit of a dilemma. two questions with two answers.
Yeah, you're definitely right. In my list, I'm putting Exeggcute in Johto and Clefairy in Kanto. Clefairy wasn't ever a question for me. This video is more of a response to a lot of the recurring comments that I got. I probably had dozens of comments telling me that I should've put Exeggcute in Alola! haha
It's my fault for not properly explaining my criteria in the previous videos, haha
5:30 THERE I AM GARY!
Great job again, good on you for clearing things up and stating mistakes where they were. Happy to see more of what you make going forward.
Congratulations! =D
Thanks so much! I'm a big fan of mistakes. Sometimes they lead to learning! haha
I love the "Controversy about dinosaurs," isn't even about a Dinosaur
ahaha, you can tell I'm not big on paleontology! lol
I love this community style of videos that you've created. It's nice to have a "healthy" dialog going. I don't think gamefreak really had origins in mind when developing most pokemon. But it is fun to wonder.
Thank you so much! I'm thankful that, as a small creator, I'm able to engage with everyone here and correct my (many) mistakes.
Game Freak definitely didn't think about any of this stuff (and I don't blame them -- they just wanted to make some fun designs), but have the fans ever thought about it! So many different ideas about all these Pokemon!
Can we just acknowledge how cool it would’ve been if samurai’s and pterodactyls existed in the same place at the same time? thank you for your time
It's a trope for Ninja to have dogs as pets...we need to start the trend of Samurai having pterodactyls as pets in media!!
The Sevii Islands are based off of the Okinawa Islands, which are part of the real world Kanto prefecture, so I assume they’d be part of Kanto as well.
That's a great bit of evidence!
This isn't true. They are based off the islands south of Tokyo, not Okinawa.
Okinawa is its own prefecture irl, but it is part of Japan, so itd probably be nearby the other 4 japanese regions at least, id imagine.
@@PichuscuteOh, that'd make more sense. Okinawa is its own prefecture, but those islands aren't.
10:10 the player has actually been on space in oras when battling deoxys with your mega rayquaza and in gen 7 in ultramegalopolis and ultra wormholes in general 👍
these are some of my favorite pokemon videos!! cannot wait for more of these, i love how you categorize pokemon
Wow, thank you so much! =D I'm really glad you're enjoying them. More are definitely on the way!
@@BabusGameRoom YAYYYYY
A region based off Guyana would be cool. It would be mostly rainforests, and then pyramids and tall mountains...
How do you know that lmao like i understand your making this assumption based off the real location but whats to say gamefreak wouldnt just do whatever they wanted with the region
Also Silph's Tiksi Branch
@@Forty3Snakesbro doesn't understand the meaning of "based on"
Those would be some great settings!
Thinking of the regions as their countries, I feel like we had "pyramids" already in Gen 5's "New York"...wherever Yamask was found, along with the desert that has Sigilyph, those felt like a little piece of Egypt. Weird place for them in hindsight.
But if they did a proper Guyana region with rainforests, pyramids, and tall mountains? That'd be great!
I just recently watched your johto video, your really entertaining. Also decent editing. hope your channel blows up 👍
Thank you so much! I'm glad you're enjoying them! =D
I love the way you speak, the joy you have for what you are doing is apparent and you put so much research into this.
Wow, thank you so much! I really appreciate your kind words!! =D
10:03 "Of course, the player never actually goes to space"
Uh, Delta episode from ORAS exists.
I think he meant more beyond the exosphere, as far as we can tell the scene that Delta Episode takes place in is happening within the Exosphere. And I think he's more hoping we get an entire region in space or at least an entire small location to explore like on the moon. Not just a one and done Pokemon battle that ends with the player back on earth with no real chance to explore the environment
You're exactly right! Thank you for that =D
I didn't actually know that! It sounds like it's just a cutscene and an encounter though, and not anywhere actually explorable though
@@BabusGameRoom Although it's not explorable, it totally made the playground rumor "You go to space to catch Deoxys" true. You totally do go to space in the cutscene.
The idea that Faraway Island is in/off Guyana is awesome and has joined my head canon. And unless Hoenn is in, like, Venezuela, Guyana is indeed far away.
The section of Sinnoh's Victory Road that Lapras is found in is post-game exclusive.
Oops! Thanks for that correction. I guess if someone doesn't want to count post-game content, then Lapras is a bit of an Eevee situation.
For me, I guess that'd make Lapras a Kanto Pokemon if I wanted to give it a region.
No corrections, just appreciate the upbeat tone of your videos and your openness to feedback and following up. subscribed and looking forward to more
Wow, thank you so much! =D
More is definitely on the way!
in regards to the old sea map (the mew event item), hacking it in doesn't work easily, the mystery gift actually activates a flag in the code that turns tells the game you can play the event, the item is mostly to let the player know something is new in the game, that and to hide the way it works from the player
just a tidbit, but i felt like sharing it
Oh, thank you for that!
I am seeing some stuff online that suggests that one caught in a non-Japanese game wouldn't be Home legal, so I do have to wonder how much it should count...haha
@@BabusGameRoom home checks arent as thourough as stuff like pkhex, they were transferable into bank, so it's probably considered legal in home, it's worth checking otherwise though.
Good to know!
Good for thought; there is an Aerodactyl skeleton in the Pewter Museum, what’re the chances this skeleton was found in the region and wasn’t sent from abroad??? Also, this skeleton is seperate from the old Amber we revive it from, meaning some where fossilised. Also, Old Amber can be discovered in Kanto in Cerulean Cave, Johto in the Ruins of Alph, Sinnoh underground, and Kalos in Glittering Cave. Surely this means with the presence of Old Amber across those locations (including Kanto), it’s native to all of these? And that’s just in-game; in the anime a live one is found in Kanto, a petrified egg is found on Sayda Island (which is counted as being in Kanto), and Goh finds Old Amber near Pewter while excavating looking for fossils. As an extra note, it’s Pokédex entries refer to it as being from prehistoric times in the age of dinosaurs, which if the Pokémon world follows plate tectonics, surely the world would’ve had its own Pokémon Pangaea and Gondwana at some point, it may have been that it’s fossils formed BEFORE the lands split from one another, hence why evidence of its existence is found in multiple locations. Just me being too invested in Aerodactyl I guess 😅 (edit, I paused and commented this before seeing the Aerodactyl section and the infinite requirement, but as this Pokémon is extinct I feel it’s a little tricky to quantify that.)
I mentioned in the earlier video that museums are well known for..."acquiring" things from all over the world. So it's possible that it was found in Kanto, but there's no evidence of that. While the Dome and Helix fossils are found in Mt. Moon, the Old Amber isn't actually explicitly found in Kanto, so it could be from anywhere! (including Kanto...but I wanted to dig deeper, haha
The anime (and other extended universe stuff like the manga) adds too many variables to consider, so I haven't been looking at that. But either way, there's no ability to send Pokemon from the anime to the games, so it's not like we can get an Old Amber that was found in an Anime area of Kanto! haha
But yeah, the world probably looked very different when the Old Amber was originally fossilized. So whether it's fair to assign it a "real region" or not is up for debate. But I put Omanyte and Kabuto in Kanto, so I should be fair to Aerodactyl! haha
UA-cam just recommended this to me and I binged this whole series. I do have one thing that I want to point out. So... there's some book or magazine or strategy guide or something (it's not the game's manual, I can confirm that cause I double-checked) that I remember from my childhood that had Professor Oak in the corner at one point with a speech bubble where he actually explained that he found the starters in the tall grass that surrounds Pallet Town in the original Gen 1 games. I am racking my brain to try and remember where I read this, but I swear there is some official merchandise that covers it... Of course, in the actual games themselves, that grass is inaccessible, and even if you do get there via cheating/hacking/glitching, there are no wild encounters that spawn there.
Thanks for checking it out! I'm glad it found its way to you! =D
I'm really curious about that. I have two Gen 1 strategy guides that I could look at, but I know there were a ton of "supplementary" books released around Gen 1 that could've had that tidbit. Pokedex books, "Trainers Guides" (that have nothing to do with the games), etc.
I do also recall Professor Oak sometimes giving misinformation, but I never figured it out as a kid...haha
But I'm taking "The grass outside of Pallet Town" as completely canon either way! haha
It would be fun to see the ranges of Pokemon within the first four/five gens (since their ranges kinda jump the shark from gen six onwards). Zubat for example just lives across all of Poke-Japan.
That was a consideration for the direction to take this series. Rest assured that the notes I'm taking are kept in such a way that investigating this down the line should be pretty easy! =D
6:34 Legends Arch is gen8. Letsgo is gen7. Paldea is gen9 just throwing out there
12:40 be happy you are doing this before Legends Za came out. Then you would be suggesting that Terrasoars lived in Industrial revolution France(or atleast thats the current guess on when ZA is set)
OMG I did it again!! lmao...
Oh it's weirder than that - internally, Arceus apparently claims itself to be Gen IX. The definition of "generation" has gotten way too fuzzy since Gen VII had new Pokémon, not just new forms, thrown in in the later released games, though whether you think of the Ultra games as much more than $40 DLC...
Oh man, that's crazy. I guess I can blame Game Freak for me not knowing what generation is what! ahaha
@@BabusGameRoomgenerations is a fan term gamefreak doesn’t say generations they say new era of pokemon or just the new Pokemon games
@@madnessarcade7447 Not to be confused with the animated series, Pokemon Generations lmao
Going forwards in other regions, I like to believe that if a Legendary or Mythical Pokémon was directly tied to its debut region lore, then it is native to the debut region.
Yeah! It was a bad move on my part to put Mew immediately after discussing my criteria, lol
For Johto, I quickly put the Legendary Beasts and Ho-oh/Lugia in Johto for their in-game lore. Same with Mewtwo for Kanto. But Mew simply wasn't available to catch in Kanto without glitching.
These days, the lore of Kanto is equal parts what Game Freak intended while programming it between 1990 and 1996 and the crazy stuff we made up on the playground from 1998 onward that we started discussing online.
Mew is native to Truck.
I like the idea that Lapras is from the Sevii Islands, because Lapras is one of Lorelei's Pokémon and basically her ace, and we know that she is from the Sevii Islands as well, so maybe she met Lapras there a long time ago, and that's why it's her ace.
That makes sense! I didn't actually know Lorelei was from the Sevii Islands...I played RBY much, much more than FRLG! haha
@@BabusGameRoom I haven't played much of Fire Red and Leaf Green either. At least not vanilla. I don't even remember where I learned that this where Lorelei comes from. Probably a video talking about the story of the Kanto Elite 4 or something.
11:26 Hey, that’s me!! I like these videos, makes me want to consider going through all the Pokémon myself to see where they’re native.
=D Congrats!!
If you did that, I'm sure we'd have some different answers! It's subjective where each person will draw the lines.
In my opinion, the starters are a conservation program, and Legends Arceus backs me up on that because Rowlet, Cyndaquil, and Oshawott are nowhere to be seen in modern-day Sinnoh, but Turtwig, Chimchar, and Piplup are infinitely catchable in Hisui. If you give a bunch of endangered Pokemon to ten year olds setting out on their journeys, they might wind up breeding a lot, and then establishing themselves in the region again; this would explain them being in the wild in Let's Go, because Let's Go are in an AU where Red and Blue already went on their journeys before Team Rocket started to show up.
That makes a lot of sense, and it's a really popular hypothesis!
In Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire you **sorta** go to space. But only for a single post game story fight in the Delta episode.
That's really interesting! I never actually got that far in ORAS, so this was news to me! haha
It would've been neat if they at least gave us a little dungeon or something though...
@@BabusGameRoom Frfr. It would have been sick to have a space dungeon similar to the distortion zone in platinum.
Congrats on the channel growth pal. Good things happen to good creators
haha, thank you so much! =D
I think I’d personally place the Sevi Islands as apart of the Kanto region, since they’re accessible from Kanto. Makes most sense to me than giving it a separate region 🤷♂️
Love the content!
Thanks so much! =D
That would make sense! Though Johto and Kanto are accessible from one another, but are different regions. And I think someone said that the post-game Gen 5 area isn't part of Unova, but I might be mistaken...still though, Sevii Islands as part of Kanto makes sense to me!
Interesting topic and I'm all for it, keep it coming bro.
.. And you're getting a sub
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Thank you so much! =D
@@BabusGameRoom just keep it up bro, it's really good content.
Let's Go takes place in alternate timeline as gen 1 because the same story beats happen with different characters. I'd place it a year after Gen 1 so Red and Blue can be your senpais.
Yeah, it is a bit weird like that. It's like Red decided to ignore Giovanni. Or Giovanni tried again after Red and Blue were busy being Champions and whatever.
...guess that'd explain why he disbanded Team Rocket after Gen 1. He lost to a 11-ish-year old TWICE in a row...haha
Great followup vid! Excited to see more of these videos! I agree a Guyana region or anywhere in South America would be very cool to see. Though I've been waiting for an Australia region for a while (not from there but there are a lot of neat ideas for Pokemon and environments you can do in Australia). I would say Sevii Islands are close enough to the Kanto Region to count them as part of it so I think Lapras is in fact a Kanto Pokemon but I understand the logic that says otherwise. And I understand why you wouldn't want to be contradicted with this future region fits this Pokemon pretty well like you said with Reflection Cave and Mr Mime though I do think Exeggcute being in Alola makes too much sense for it to not be originally from there.
Now for Aerodactyl, Gen 1 sprites for the Old Amber show the mosquito which was retconned in later gens and I know that Kalos' Mega form is the truest form of it (as scholars claim) but I don't think it's too far of a stretch for mosquitos in ancient Sinnoh/Hisui which is based off of Hokkaido to travel south maybe in the winter (I don't know, I'm not a bug expert) travel south a bit to a warmer climate of Kanto and died there? Just a theory I thought of, I could be wrong on a lot of this though.
Thank you so much! =D
Pokemon really does need to head down to the southern hemisphere, huh?
It makes sense that the Sevii Islands would be part of Kanto. I just wish they were in more games than FRLG! haha
As for Exeggcute, it does seem like they've retconned it to give it a nice place to be from in Alola. You're right -- I just don't want to open the door for future (potentially unlimited) retcons, and I'd rather focus on normal places where a Pokemon is catchable. It's just more satisfying to me! haha
With the mosquito, I'm not sure if they'd live long enough to migrate to other regions, and the Old Amber wasn't ever explicitly found in Kanto (unlike the Dome and Helix fossils). So where the mosquito lived is up for debate, but I'd vote that it originally lived (game release-wise) in either ancient Kalos or ancient Johto (if you want to count the Gen 4 retcon where players could get fossils from Rock Smash).
@@BabusGameRoom Right I agree with you on the Exeggcute thing because then it's like you're never done. And yeah you brought up a good point that there was only one Old Amber in Kanto so either one mosquito made it that far or maybe the Kanto scientist visited Sinnoh or Kalos and brought back something he found.
I'll be honest, I'm not terribly big on the criteria listed out, as opposed to discussing where a pokemon is ecologically/geographically from. While I understand wanting a critia that would allow you to settle on something definitive, personally it's simply not as satisfying than trying to map pokemon by looking at their irl inspirations, lore and dex entries. To me, anyways. Not to say the conclusions you've reached and the videos aren't interesting, just that they're using a methodology that I wouldn't have gone with, it wasn't made clear previously be it by video title or explanation, and will bring up some weird edge cases eventually. (As a side note, maybe it would help the flow of the video and overall clarity if you stated your baseline assumptions at the start, as well how you'll treat evidence from game to game? Food for thought.)
Also some things I think worth bringing up:
- I think its limiting to consider Surf as the main criteria as to whether a pokemon can traverse water (whether by floating, active swimming, etc) or not. Some similar logic applies with Fly. Going by this, Marikarp cannot swim, and Gligar cannot fly. The important part about Surf as a field move is the ability to _ferry a person_ by the pokemon, not an indication if a pokemon can swim or not.
- There can be multiple aspects to pokemon designs. Is there any reason that Exeggcute can't be both seeds and eggs? Sure, they resemble eggs superficially and their name includes the word "eggs", but the fact they are a grass type (synonymous with plants), and evolve into a tree even in Gen I would indicate to me that they're seeds of some sort as well.
That's more or less what I have to say for this vid that other commenters haven't already said. Despite my personal hangups, its still an entertaining watch. Looking forward to the Gen 3 vid.
I definitely get where you're coming from! Honestly, I figured the "real-world counterpart" thing had already been done to death (not that I really went searching for it), but it's also pretty outside of my area of expertise. Ecology, biology, taxonomy? Nah. Things inside video games? YEAHHH!!! haha
Thank you as well for the advice. I think it'd be a good idea to remind viewers of the criteria at the beginning. When I made the second video in this series, the first one only had a few thousand views, I think, and as such a very small audience. So it was written under the assumption that it'd be viewed by the same handful of people who watched the first one and wanted me to "dig deeper". That's not quite the case anymore, and I agree that being upfront would probably be helpful! =D
As for Surf, it was mostly a joke -- but I could get behind Magikarp not being able to swim or Gligar not being able to fly. Gligar GLIDES, and Magikarp is too weak to fight against currents...so it just floats around wherever the water takes it unless it evolves, haha
(but to be fair, I did mention that Exeggcute really only needs to *float* on water)
And Exeggcute is definitely supposed to *be* seeds, but its design is visually (and nominally) based on eggs. The various Pokedex entries describe them as having qualities of both eggs and seeds...I just thought it was common knowledge that they're biologically seeds (and I had probably a dozen comments in the last video saying "but exeggcute are seeds"), so I took that part for granted and just said the "but they're also eggs" part, haha
Thanks for your comment, and I'm glad you're looking forward to Gen 3! =D
Something about the Pokedex, we see in Legends Arceus that Pokedex entries were based on real events that the Professor wrote. So at the very least those entries are accurate. But I don't see why only these ones would count if the whole point of the dex is to explain things about Pokémon.
As for why some of the entries are ridiculous you got to remember the Pokémon world is a world created to have these creatures. Not the real world were those entries would be ridiculous.
I'd get it if it was some sort of temperature conversion issue, but it's bizarre that the Pokedex would have temperature in "Fahrenheit" (as in Magcargo's entries) at all if it wasn't based on the real world. Both Fahrenheit and Celsius are named after their inventors, but Fahrenheit had some additional arbitrary decisions that would be unlikely to be repeated in a separate world.
@@BabusGameRoom Something we just can't think too hard about or just assume a version of it happened in the Pokémon World. Certain things just have to exist, for it makes sense to the audience.
You made that Monty Python joke with Spearow when Swellow was RIGHT THERE
RIGHT THERE, but in a different Gen! ahaha
@@BabusGameRoom eh fair enough
Such a fun video(s) idea. It was really enjoyable to think about this.
Thank you so much! I'm glad you're enjoying them! =D
Absolutely LOVE this videos, man.
ahaha, thank you so much!! =D
Kudos on the European vs African joke. A real one
Can't believe I missed the opportunity the first time around! haha
I imagine there are a lot of rare pokemon that exist in the areas between routes and towns the places you can't go and are not traveled meaning there can be a small population of foreign or even undiscovered pokemon living happily alone in the wild
"That was one of my most controversial statements that wasn't about coconuts or dinosaurs" xD
ahaha, I'm glad you liked that! =D
I thought this was a video made in like 2013 before I actually checked
When you have a budget and a skillset from 2013, you work with what you have! ahaha
14:11 The Sinnoh Victory Road part we're Lapras can be found is postgame only, being blocked before you beat the league
Oops. I even checked the maps, but the maps didn't show NPCs who block the routes...ahaha
I love how in the early gens Pokémon kinda sorta took place in the real world with mentions of Guyana and Indian Elephants etc but gradually it's become definitively a separate fantasy world. They want us to forget Guyana was Mew's home but we never will!
It's our job to remember these bits of lore so that they don't become forgotten!
Okay, but a movie about dinosaurs in feudal Japan sounds fucking awesome
I'd also take a video game. Beat 'em up, perhaps? haha
This little series has been lovely to watch. It gave a few new perspectives to some of the origins. I'd like to make a claim about Snorlax not being from either Kanto or Sinnoh due to it's message when you defeat one in the field. It says something along the lines of Snrolax returned / fled to the mountains (Sadly the exact quote is not on the wiki from what I saw so I am going off memory here, my apologies). Now, Kanto has some mountains that are sadly devoid of Snorlax so they might be from a yet unnamed region close to Kanto since the north of it seems to be just mountains. One little bit of trivia I did only find out today though is that Snorlax has a special response in HGSS when you talk to it while it follows you in Mt. Silver (though that one is shared by Charizard and Pikachu aswell, so it's most like linked to Red being there also using those Mons)
Either way, Sinnoh most likely makes the most amount of sense going by your rules of them being sorta kinda infinitely available there on a honey basis but it's interesting to think about I suppose.
Speaking of Lapras. I have a special one, which is not very rare tbh, but not too easy to get either (using legal methods, of course)... it knows Dragon Breath.
It's a gen 2 move that Lapras can only learn by TM in that generation, where TMs were still unique, while Lapras itself appearing only on Fridays in Union Cave. I have it with me in Paldea now.
That's awesome! I hope we can continue to use Pokemon Bank for a long time so that this kind of special Pokemon can continue to be available!
3:40, that was a top-tier Monty Python reference! I'm surprised that no one's pointed it out yet.
Lapras being available in Victory Road is technically also post-game content; the area that Bulbapedia labels as “1F Back 2” is only accessible after the hall of fame and solving the Marley sidequest.
For what it’s worth I’d personally count Union Cave as being within your rules, making it a Johto native
Oops, you're absolutely right about Victory Road! I checked the maps so carefully to make sure they weren't hidden...but they didn't include NPCs on those maps! ahaha
I believe there was an episode of the anime of pokemon from 5th gen that featured some strange time travel thing going on? and the cast ended up back in time with the prehistoric pokemon tirtuga and archeops; it may also have included some aerodactyl in the background, might be worth a watch, also depends on how much you want to trust the anime for its cannon vs the games
Assuming the biology and geology of pokemon parallel real life, it may be a fruitless endevour to try and pin down the origin of aerodactyl specifically. Along with the possible pangea-like continent you mention, pterosaurs in real life (especially the larger winged ones like aerodactyl seems to be) had *enormous* ranges, migrading thousands to TENS OF THOUSANDS of miles, much like modern migratory birds (I believe the current longest migratory bird range is around 60,000 miles?). Even accounting for the possibility that the regions used to be closer together, its still likely that aerodactyl lived its life flying between the equivilent of madagascar and alaska and everywhere in-between. And because of this constant movement of teh whole species, its evolution also becomes hard to pin down, as unlike say "cows originated in europe and were sent to other parts of the world", you cant pin down a single place these came from since before it was aerodactyl it was still in a bunch of regions moving across them all.
hey that being said want to try a speculative tree of life featuring the "macro evolution" (hate that phrase, creationists use it to say evolution in real life cant happen, anyway) of some pokemon from one to another? just remember to not fall in the trap of things looking similar means they must be related, convergent evolution exists haha.
Oh, interesting! I've been focusing on the game canon exclusively for these videos, but that's good to know those species' timelines line up in the anime's canon!
It makes sense that Aerodactyl would have huge ranges. So even if the mosquito that got trapped in the Old Amber had a short range, that doesn't mean that Aerodactyl didn't also live elsewhere. It just means it's harder to "prove". But great point in the parallels to real world pterodactyls...it'd be hard to track down a "single place" for their origins because their world was so different to ours.
As for a "macro evolution" video, I'm not completely opposed to it, but I have virtually no background in animal biology, ecology, or archaeology, so I don't know if I'd be better than anyone else saying "These look alike and share similarities, so they're related by macro evolution!!!" ahaha
I love it when a UA-camr makes a video correcting themself in a non agressive, clearly humble way. It takes a big person to change their mind, and a bigger person to admit it. I will forever consider Lapras a Johto pokemon, but I agree that the migratory with cave breeding is a realistic approach.
Thanks for the vid!
Also, did you know, each generation so far has added at least 1 pokemon who's inspiration species is native or naturalized to Australia?
1: Kangaskhan
2: Corsola
3: Pelipper
4: Garchomp
5: Scolipede
6: Carbink
7: Komala
8: Grapploct
9: Spidops
I personally count a couple starters as well but this is an easier and non-controversial chunk I think XD
haha, thank you so much! I'm not perfect, and I know that I make mistakes. And with a lot of these Pokemon, there are plenty of people who made really compelling arguments. Just because I'm the one that put my arguments into video form doesn't mean my arguments are the best!
And with those Australia-inspired Pokemon...I never noticed that! That's really cool! Now I'm hoping for an Australia-based region, too!
(but what the heck kind of animal is Carbink based on? haha)
@@BabusGameRoom Carbink looks like a rabbit, of which Australia has a massive problem. It's also a gemstone and Aus has a very famous Opal mine(look up Coober Pedy)
Ohhh, thanks for that! I can definitely see Carbink as a rabbit now!
I was definitely wondering what you meant about Aerodactly and Hisui, because even the fossil pokemon native there are only catchable in a space/time distortion. Thankfully this video came up right after the last.
Also I did not know about floating coconuts either. I just assumed those get where they are via normal trade and importing.
Still doesn't account for that Gen 1 Red and Green book in Japan
The Meiji Restoration isn’t feudal Japan either but you’re getting there
ahaha, this is what I get for going with what the comments say about Legends Arceus without fact checking it, lol
Don't be that strict, Meiji Restoration ended feudal Edo period
@@PepeePolska For one: many consider the end of Feudal Japan to be the battle of Sekigahara in 1600 (because they equate Feudal Japan to Sengoku Jidai) though it's true this isn't universal.
For two: It would be correct and not at all too strict to differentiate Napoleon's France from feudalism despite feudalism only being finally dismantled a few years earlier.
I don't see how it's too nitpicky to point out that it isn't feudal when the whole period is defined by a massive set of government reforms that abolishes the old system.
After your first video I was playing yellow and notice something about Snorlax. If you dont catch and just defeat it, you got a msg "Snorlax returned to the montains".
I get that you need a criteria and your is about the mon beeing infinitly avaiable. But what the game is saying is that the Snorlax is native but it lives in a place that is not accessible to the player.
You're right! I am only considering areas that are available to the player, since for my purposes, Kanto is generally "the part of Kanto that's available to the player". I'm looking at it from a game perspective as much as possible, and prioritizing game mechanics over game lore at that.
Of course, others have suggested that Snorlax's return to the mountains indicates that it walks all the way back to Sinnoh after being beaten up! haha
I love this type of videos.
Awesome, I'm glad! =D
on exeggcutor, in '97 the jungle set was released. on the Japanese boxes, it has what looks like an alolan exeggcutor on it. i remember having a promo poster with it and several other mons, like marill b4 it was released, but i can not find that photo anywhere online..
I've seen what you're talking about! I feel like it was on Bulbapedia. Of course, it's hard to know what the intention was (I doubt they had any idea about a region that would become Alola back in the 90's). I also think they originally intended for Pokemon to be of different shapes and sizes, but retconned that pretty early on. Consider the "Shellder" on Slowbro and Slowking's bodies, haha
@@BabusGameRoom of course. i wasn't criticizing your takes, just adding to the convo. if anything i do think that it's the reverse of what you said then tho, that they got the idea of alolan exeggcutor when they made the alola region from that box art/poster. since even tho it said jungle, it was a tropical area. in the various anime and manga, there are different sizes, but i know what u meant.
@@BabusGameRoom i just googled slowbro's pokedex descriptions, and saw that the slowbro and shelder are still separate beings. and if the shelder is ever slung off, it will devolve back into slowpoke. idk why but i thought they fused or something. like once shelder was on, it was then on a slowbro
Exeggcute can be caught in Berry Forest in the Sevii Isles. Which I think would count as the "tropical" region they come from.
Ngl your statement in the previous video about the Kanto fossil pokemon (and insinuating pterodactyls existed in feudal japan)(God I wish American cowboys road ceratopsians...) lead me down a mini rabbit hole of scouring through all the fossil pokemon pokedex entries while trying to make an ancient world timeline and I learned a ton of fun little tidbits that I feel like randomly sharing!
Assuming the pokedex entries are accurate and not just bullshit (*side eyeing the Bone Wars fossils and how all their entries should just say "Whoopsie"*)
I think Kabuto is an interesting one, because while KABUTOPS went extinct KABUTO can still be found in the wild in, I think it was Alola? Referencing that horseshoe crabs are still a thing. One of Kabutops entries state that it STARTED evolving to live on land but didn't evolve fast enough and died out. This is actually interesting because it shows an environment where the only reason Kabutops went extinct is simply because evolving was seen as more of a detriment to the Kabuto and it's survivability became better when staying the same.
Omanyte ALSO exists in the wild in a later Gen but it's dex entry states these escaped from a lab and are an invasive species. Omanyte eventually evolves into Omastar who's biggest weakness is dying out when it's shell grows to heavy to allow it the required speed to catch food. Unlike Kabuto deciding evolution was a detriment, Omanyte/Omastar slowly evolved into the modern Octillery, which makes sense that when the shell became less useful, due to slowing down the omastar preventing hunting but ALSO by this point Tirtouga and Carracosta are roaming the primordial sea (and can bite through a steel girder so that shell ain't saving you) the mobility and ability to squeeze into the tiniest of crevices to avoid that terrifying turtle makes a lot of sense!
Shellder was also fed upon by Omanyte/Omastar thus making it a living fossil technically as it has existed unchanged since the primordial sea 300 Million Years ago!
The age of dinosaur pokemon chilling about started 100million years ago and lileep and Cradily died out right around the start of the dinosaur era.
Thank you for sharing these tidbits! =D
That's really interesting about Kabuto. I also like fossils coming back. It tells us where they are now, not as much about where they used to be...but it would definitely give us insight as to what their habitats would've been like back then!
Is it actually canon that Omanyte evolved (real-world style, not Pokemon style) into Octillery? That's really cool if they mention that anywhere! Also really liking the idea that the Tirtouga line drove the Omanyte line to extinction. Well, loving it from a hypothetical perspective...thinking about it is a bit sad! lol
And that's cool about Shellder! Where's that bit of information from? =o
I'm actually surprised that you were able to piece this much together. It normally doesn't seem like Game Freak did their homework for this kind of stuff, ahaha
@BabusGameRoom
Citing my Sources:
-Omastar's Ultra Sun pokedex entry claims it to be a distant ancestor of Octillery, meaning pokemon don't just Poke-Evolve but there's also a degree of Darwinian evolution within the pokemon world! :D Considering multiple Pokedex entries claim it went extinct when it's shell grew too big to move freely it makes sense hiding would be a better defense when your getting eaten by... everybody... as octopuses can squeeze into anything their little beaky mouth can fit in!
-It's mentioned that Omastar preyed on Shellder in it's Gold/Heartgold and Stadium dex entries!
-Carracosta has multiple pokedex entries claiming it not only has a bite force strong enough to cut through steel beams, as well as multiple entries that say it eats it's food whole unbothered by shell and bone, Ultra Sun's entry specifcally mentions it preyed on Omastar and Omanyte!
-Archeops also apparently preyed on Omanyte according to Ultra Sun.(Though no mention of Omastar) (These poor guys getting eaten...)
-Bonus fun fact: Between Aerodactyl, Tyrantrum, and Carracosta I am not surprised the majority of the Age of Dinosaur pokemon are heavily armored. All of them have entries that set them up as being able to tear through metal.
-I like that Ultra Sun claims Tyrantrum can't be completely restored, as it sets up, along with Mega Aerodactyl, that aside from Kabuto who is not extinct and has not changed, all the fossil pokemon have the chance of not looking how they should have.
I absolutely love natural history and paleontology specifically so it was fun swinging all these entries together. It's sad that most pokedex entries are just repeating the same two or three fact (Ultra Sun had some fun new entries) when it would be a great opportunity to add new fun facts! With how Legends Arceus was willing to do a time travel story I'm not going to lie I would love a whole Legends side game that is a time travel to the Age of Dinosaurs or the Primordial Sea (As the pokedex calls those eras) where all the pokemon are Fossil Pokemon, Pokemon that evolve with Ancient Power, and living Fossils like Relicanth or Shellder! Or even just new regional variants that are ancient versions of their modern counterparts..... and maybe unscramble versions of the Sword and Shield pokemon...? because those poor things are 4 fully realized fossils waiting to happen D: (They put poor Arctovish's Dunkleosteus head on upsidown!!!)
Thank you for sharing those!!
I too would like to see unscrambled versions of the fossils...it's funny, but it just seems cruel that those are "real" Pokemon now! lol
I know it's a bit of an old video, but I imagine the Sevii Islands are likely their own region, or at least island territories not claimed in game canon by a region. It's been awhile since I booted up FRLG, but I think that in the town map they have their own, added pages.
I think I'd agree with the Sevii Islands being separate from Kanto -- and I believe there's in-game dialogue that suggests that they are!
And it's never too late to comment on our videos! =D
@@BabusGameRoom I know it's a little unrelated to the video, but I'd love a youtuber (maybe you :3) go in depth into the Sevii Islands, what they are for the in game lore, and how every little easter egg and interesting concept made it into the game
That Monty Python reference earned you a sub, good sir!!!
ahaha, thank you! =D
It's usually hard to know about okemon that can fly, because they can emigrate a lot.
Definitely! Though without any idea of what seasons are in the games, it can be hard to be certain about even that!
Common misconception, Eggsecute is based on a type of seed, not eggs
but it only says that in half of its pokédex entries, in the other half it says that they are based on eggs. So it’s pretty inconsistent for sure.
Well, Exeggcute's "category" is "Egg Pokemon", so there's that...the closest kind of plant to Exeggcute that I can find seems to be a type of mushroom (which could be a Grass type, but that's very different from coconuts)
@@BabusGameRoom The meta inspiration is an egg, but it's more "a seed that looks like an egg" kind of deal.
Another interesting concept could be naturalized species - non-native species that can independently sustain a population outside of their original habitat. Some naturalized species in real life have been introduced by prehistoric and ancient humans so long ago that today we often don't realize that these aren't actually native. Dingos, for example, were likely brought from SE Asia to Australia by humans a bit over 8000 years ago, house sparrows were brought from Asia to Europe by the Iron Age, and several species of bamboo originating from the Asian mainland were brought to islands like Japan or Taiwan several hundred years ago as ornamental plants or for timber. If we were to assume that prehistory in the Pokémon world was largely similar to our timeline (ie. humanity originating in their equivalent of Africa, migrating out to Poké-Europe, Poké-Asia, Poké-Australia and the Poké-Americas...), it is likely that there are several naturalized species of Pokémon (we do know of recently introduced species like Rattata in Alola).
Wow! Thank you for sharing these facts/hypotheses about real world naturalized species!
I'd imagine that for Pokemon, there'd be a bit of a question about whether Pokemon are migrating or are actually naturalized to a region, but for regions that are far apart, that might be easy enough to answer.
The scientific community has long come to consensus that exeggcute was brought to Kanto by Snorlax eating them whole in alola and surfing across the ocean to poop in Kanto.
Oh, right! How could I have forgotten that?! ahaha
An egg doesn't necessarily need to be rotten to float, a fertile egg that contains a live embryo can too! It just depends on the age of the egg either way. An air pocket gradually forms as all the membranes and goop inside cool and settle down. The egg floats once this air cell is big enough, and it'll still float with a baby inside 'cuz animals are naturally buoyant unless adapted otherwise. So, having the physical properties of an egg doesn't preclude a living Exeggcute from floating! ;p Being all cracked probably does, though. Maybe they got scuffed up along the way??
Anyway, these videos are great and I love seeing feedback like this taken into account! Gives the impression that you're curious and enjoying everyone sharing ideas and contributing to the conversation. Fun to see your thoughts on this stuff!
Also, I apologise, but I can't help it: I know some of the Pokedex entries call Aerodactyl a dinosaur, but pterosaurs aren't dinosaurs :p they were dinos' closest relatives, though!
I'd also definitely still hold by my idea of it being from Kalos rather than Sinnoh even by your basic criteria, completely disregarding the Mega Evolution stuff, just because yeah, being findable in Glittering Cave right away feels more natural than "wait until the postgame and then you can find it underground." In fact, the Old Amber specifically is findable in both X and Y the first time you can access that part of the cave, unlike all the other fossils, which only appear after you've beaten the League. Even the Jaw + Sail fossils are a one-time gift. Really fun to see you agreed and went over both points in this update.
Oh, that's interesting! I didn't know fertilized eggs float!
Though, are Exeggcute seeds ever fertilized? Since they...come from eggs themselves. Sometimes? lol
Thank you so much for your kind words! =D I definitely am curious and always willing to learn. Like how I learned (or, re-learned?) that pterodactyls aren't dinosaurs! But if the Pokedex says Aerodactyl is a dinosaur, then it must be canon, right??! ahaha
Pterodactyls should absolutely have been in feudal Japan, would've been dope
Right?! It would've led to the best video games
On the topic of Lapras, it’s actually only catchable in a section of the Victory Road in Sinnoh accessible AFTER the National Dex. What’s weird is that the barrier is just a random person blocking it, so it could be argued that it should count as base game. However, many of the pokemon in that section and the areas it leads to are all national dex exclusive and separate from the Sinnoh Dex/Sinnoh natives. Since anything there is technically National Dex exclusive, that would include Lapras. If you choose to look past that, then it would bring Aerodactyl back to Sinnoh since it is also found in base game areas only after receiving the National Dex.
This next point is technically regarding the Johto video, but Sinnoh National Dex exclusivity also makes me want to talk about Togepi. Technically, Togepi is catchable in the wild in Sinnoh using the poke radar. The problem with this is that it is in the post game island where the three “areas” exist (Fight, Survival, and Resort). Since this is post game it would seem to not count going by other rules, but I think this island should count as regular Sinnoh. For one, it is always viewable on the Sinnoh Map. It is not in some other section you have to leave the original map from to access, like the Sevii Islands. Second, most characters in game seem to treat it like part of Sinnoh. Barry’s father even works there, while he and his mother live on the mainland. Third, the Sinnoh gym leaders can all be found on a daily basis there for rematches, so it can’t be that distinct or else they’d surely be shirking their gym duties? Overall, I’d argue the Sinnoh postgame islands should count as Sinnoh. This makes Togepi a Sinnoh pokemon. Togepi’s last evolution is also available in Sinnoh games first, so that’s too.
That being said, I’m also too tired to think about whether including the Sinnoh postgame messes up any of your other classifications. It definitely could I don’t know
Darn. Thanks for the correction on Sinnoh Lapras! I looked at the maps, and they didn't include NPCs. I thought I checked carefully...ahaha
I would consider an area being blocked by someone different than something that starts "magically appearing" in existing areas because the player received the National Dex, though. Old Ambers suddenly appearing in Sinnoh feels like magic. Lapras being blocked by a person feels silly, but at least "normal", haha
The issue with Togepi in Sinnoh for me isn't the fact that it's post-game, but the fact that it requires the PokeRadar. Using special tech in regular areas to find new Pokemon feels like it's more of a gameplay bonus for beating the game, rather than the actual location of Pokemon. It's in a post-game area regardless, but the PokeRadar's mechanics do stuff that feels like "magic" as I mentioned above. Once things start getting "magical", to me, that feels like gameplay bonus rather than canon stuff. It could be argued either way, though!
Definitely worth mentioning when Pokémon are apparently native to more than one region. Kangaskhan and Mr. Mime for example are also native in Kalos, but can be found in the Gen II games and their remakes, while Alolan Rattata and Galarian Mr. Mime are examples of Darwinian/Branching Evolution/mutation. Scyther are apparently native to Alola and Kalos, unless future lore says otherwise. I could go on, but I should have made my point, and included enough interesting examples.
Not everything necessarily has to be such a simple one-word answer.
For the purposes of this list, I'm just placing them based on where they first meet the criteria (by the games' release dates). Where the Pokemon are natively caught at all would be another list entirely!
@@BabusGameRoom I do appreciate when you went out of your way to mention other examples however, such as Rattata apparently being native to Johto, even though they were first introduced in Kanto.
While it doesn’t change anything, the logic that Mega Arodyctal being the true form of the species and thus it must be native to Kalos just doesn’t line up with the lore around Mega evolution.
No Arodyctal could have Mega evolved in pre-history, as no Pokémon was capable of Mega evolution until AZ blew up his big machine 3,000 years prior to X and Y, potentially bar Rayquaza, and even then it requires humans for the process, which very likely did not co-exist with Arodyctal.
What is more likely happening is what we call Mega Arodyctal was simply the species native state back then, and issues with the fossil revival process prevented its full return in the modern era. The unrelated process of Mega Evolution then corrects the flaws, returning Arodyctal to its true form.
Ahh, corrupted fossils definitely make sense! So Mega Evolution doesn't have to correlate with Aerodactyl's location at all! =o
@@BabusGameRoom yep, the fact all non-Galar Fossils are Rock type, the Galar Fossils are sins against Arceaus, and the past Paradox Pokémon are so different are strong supporting evidence to the fossil restoration process being wack.
Additionally, Hoenn is also host to Mega Evolution, so Kalos wouldn’t even be the only option if Mega was even a factor
You can also catch wild Eevee in Lets Go.
In reality, Lets Go does more harm or good for the context of this video anyways, since in Lets Go, we don't have a Safari Zone, so we can infinite catch Scyther/Tauros/Dratini/Pinsir as well, as well us having infinite Snorlax in Cerulean Cave and then i haven't even mentioned the exclusive Game Corner mons being catchable, as well as Hitmonchan and Hitmonlee.
And then we have the issue of Lets Go also having Mega Evolution, placing Aerodactyl in Kanto instead of Kalos.
Yeah, i don't count post-game or DLC for that matter either, else all the fossils are native to Galar (Using your definition), since you can infinite catch them there.
However, come to think of it, we should probably not use the term native to a region, but rather use origin for the term instead
Like for example - Stantler is native to Johto, since it can be found in the wild there. However, it finds its origin in Hisui, due to Wyrdeer being a thing in Hisui, but not the other regions
Its the same for Zigzagoon as well... We have Hoennian and 'Galarian' Zigzagoon. One is native to Hoenn and one to Galar... however... both find their origins in Galar, as the Galarian Zigzagoon is the original Zigzagoon. Going into a technicality, is that we shouldn't refer to Galarian Zigzagoon as Galarian Zigzagoon, since we technically just should call it Zigzagoon, since its the original and we should refer to the Hoenn Zigzagoon as the Hoennian Zigzagoon, since that one is the form.
That's definitely true about Let's Go!
Thankfully, most of the mons you mentioned have been "resolved" in earlier gens, and I'm going by the release order of games. They only end up coming before Galar, Hisui, and Paldea for now, and MOST Kanto Pokemon have "explanations" by Gen 6, haha
I never did look into why Let's Go has Mega Evolution. Other than "Kanto needed something new" lol
All the changes they keep adding are why I'm going by release order of the games. To me, having a stopping point is better than leaving things open for Game Freak to change things indefinitely...like retroactively giving us a Hoennian Zigzagoon! haha
2:46 Regarding Exeggcute, if the pokedex entry is to be believed, then the tropics would exclude Hoenn and the Sevii Islands. Hoenn may have a nice and mild climate, but it's based on the island of Kyushu in Japan, lying ~800km above the Tropic of Cancer. The Sevii Islands are based on the Izu Islands and a couple of the Ogasawara islands. Again, the islands they're based upon in the Ogasawara are still some 300km away from the tropics.
I know in another video you said your focus was just on info from the games because the anime played a little too fast and loose, but the tall Alolan Exeggutor debuted in some promotional art for the 1997 Jungle TCG set in Japan, predating the gen 3 pokedex entry by several years (as well as Johto and the North American release of Red and Blue). Jungle, and the next set Fossil contained many pokemon you had on your non-Kanto list. They were seemingly left out of the base set, perhaps because they truly came from some far off land, distant from Kanto. If the artwork depicts Exeggutor as nice and tall in their native land, the short ones we see in game must have been imported. Just some deep lore to consider here.
Sevii Islands are likely based on the island chains south of Tokyo, which actually count as part of the city of Tokyo, weirdly enough. For that reason, I think you could argue they are just part of Kanto.
Oh wow, interesting! That would make sense!
One thing I considered after watching this video was the specific Dex entries about Exeggcute being from a Tropical region, and as it turns out- Johto and Alola both fit this criteria, to the best of my understanding.
Johto, according to what I found on Bulbapedia, is closely related to the Kansai region in real life Japan, which seems tropical from my research. And Alola, based on Hawaii, is obviously a Tropical region.
Now, I believe I previously suggested it was up in the air for whichever region is more accurately the native home to Exeggcute. And this doesn’t super lend evidence to either side. I just thought it would be interesting to see how the real world Japan climate helped or hurt the Ruby/Sapphire Dex entry and gave a more definitive answer on that front.
But it didn’t, lol.
Oh man, is Johto/Kansai actually tropical?! A quick search suggests they have some "tropical islands", but I'm wondering if that's a translation issue, haha
I could see Hoenn being considered tropical, but maybe the Exeggcute are really from Johto, and have just headed to the mainland from their habitat on the tropical island off the Johto map...for whatever reason! ahaha
@@BabusGameRoom I couldn’t get a definitive answer, but what I did see suggested tropical/subtropical or something. It at least puts Johto in the conversation.
I hope you get to 10K soon
Thank you so much! I never actually thought it'd be possible! haha
Even if Union Cave Lapras is technically infinitely obtainable,
the mechanic of it showing up "every friday" is clearly playing into the idea of it traveling a lot, which in my mind makes this encounter at most evidence for it being a frequent "visitor" of the Johto region rather than coming from it.
I like the thought of it being from the Sevii islands, as it makes sense in a lot of ways;
- those being an archipelago of islands spread out across bigger distances; the perfect environment for Lapras;
- while also being close enough to Johto to explain its Union Cave visits;
- and even though I normally don't like anime connections as evidence, the instrumental role of a Lapras as the "Transport Pokémon" in the entire Orange island season (likely a major inspiration for the Sevii islands as an addition in the first place), makes it feel perfect
But at the same time, the Sevii islands being an addition specific to a remake, makes them feel less strongly canon than if it was a location we had reasons to think existed in the world of an original main game.
So I think it's worth contemplating the next potential places on the list:
Its appearance in the Sinnoh victory road is post-game exclusive, so I'm not sure that should count, as post-games often expand the fauna drastically as more of a game feature.
Village Bridge in Unova faces a similar issue.
The Azure Bay in Kalos however, not only has Lapras available as a normal wild encounter, within the initial adventure part of the game and the regional Pokedex, you're also gifted one right there from an NPC, and to highlight its presence further, you can even get a photo taken exclusively at this photo spot while on the back of Lapras!
On Azure Bay, Lapras feels the most at home it's ever felt. It's not just hiding in some specifically cold cave ocassionally, it's not just a stop on its routes, it's out in the open water, being true to its nature.
I agree, Lapras does seem like a "frequent visitor" rather than a regular wild encounter in Johto.
If Lapras were available all over the Sevii Islands, I'd be inclined to agree about those as well. However, it's not found in the waters around the islands, it's specifically in a cave (and at a 1% encounter rate to boot). That causes me to lean towards the idea that it's migrating through there too, just like it did in Johto. (Also consider that FRLG didn't have a day of the week mechanic...or did they? lol Otherwise, Lapras may have been given the same treatment as it got in Johto).
I didn't realize that the Sinnoh appearance was also post-game exclusive, though! Oops!
I'm normally counting post-game areas if it's in a fairly normal area (e.g., part of the region, no special technology, no space/time weirdness, etc)...but still.
Funny how Kalos could potentially end up getting another Gen 1 Pokemon though! Great find! =D
@@BabusGameRoom yeah, the post-game portion of Sinnoh's victory road is kinda sneaky in this context lol
it would have been amazing if the Icefall Cave had a "Tuesday Lapras" spawn or something... we could be speculating what other days it spends where
Oh, really? I was exploring random caves in crystal yesterday and found that lapras, and I’d never seen it before.
Wow, that's an awesome coincidence! You picked the right day to go there!
Lapras is indeed catchable in Victory Road in Sinnoh, but the specific areas of Victory Road where it is only open up after beating the main game, hence making it a post-game Pokémon, just in a non-Post game area. Sort of.
I do agree Lapras is not native to a region, but the ocean instead. That's a good way of thinking about it I believe.
Oops! I even looked at the maps to make sure, but apparently, it's blocked by an NPC...who don't show up on the maps I looked at! ahaha
@@BabusGameRoom Yeah, that makes sense.
I believe the post-game area is where you partner with Marley.
technically you do go to space in the Delta Episode of OR/AS but I definitely don't think that counts as a region, it's literally a cutscene and one encounter. Spacemon would be awesome, I'm sure there's a fangame about that somewhere. I would personally put the Sevii islands as part of Kanto but that's entirely based on the fact they're only really in FR/LG. in terms of timeline there's an argument for the Let's Go games being at the same time as OG R/B/Y but in another timeline. since mega evolutions are only found in Kalos, OR/AS Hoenn and Let's Go Kanto (excluding their postgame appearance in Su/Mo, since that seems to be the established precedent for this series) and Mega Stones in lore (I believe? it's been a while since I played X/Y) are the result of the whole superweapon thing in X/Y's lore (iirc there's also some stuff in OR/AS postgame that references a potential Hoenn where this event didn't happen and mega evolution was never a thing, referencing the OG Hoenn games, but postgame is postgame). You could use this to put Let's Go Kanto and OG Kanto as different regions based on alternate universes, the one where AZ built the superweapon thingy and Mega Evolution is possible, and the one where he didn't. I realise that OR/AS could be the only one that's an alternate universe and Mega Evolution / the superweapon in Kalos is canon in the main timeline, and also adding alternate timelines to this opens a whole can of worms regarding remakes in general, but I believe OR/AS postgame is the only time it's directly referenced that this is a possibility in game. Sorry for the long comment that isn't formatted and full of half remembered information, I'm very tired.
I actually didn't know that about ORAS! But you're right, it doesn't feel anything like a region if it's just a cutscene and an encounter, haha
Great points about the other games, as well!
I guess Legends: Z-A will tell us more about that superweapon thing. But I don't know if I want to start counting "multiple universes", since that just feels like an easy answer to everything, ahaha
I think national dex/post-game rule should be on a case by case basis. Some stuff is added just to be rewards and excuses to bring back old pokemon, yes, but places like the Sevii Islands are definitely lore-friendly and 3 of them are even accessible before the national dex. Likewise, with Unova, you explore different parts of Unova in each game so it's just as valid as Kanto in Gen 2
Yes, I'm definitely taking them on a case-by-case basis. I'm not completely opposed to putting Lapras in the Sevii Islands, for instance!
With Unova, I've had some commenters inform me that all of the newly-introduced Pokemon in B2W2 are explicitly non-native and newly introduced. As well, the White Forest doesn't really seem like a "normal area" to me, what with it being influenced by which people are present.
Were there other Pokemon in other parts of Gen 5 that you were thinking of?
@@BabusGameRoom To add to this thing about Lapras in the Sevii Islands.
You actully have to visit the first three islands after beating Blaine.
Bill is waiting for you outside the gym and takes you to the first island, and if you go with his you have to do a series things before you can go back to the main land.
So you can only count the forth island(where you find Lapras) and onward as post-game.
You missed that you can get Old Ambers infinitely via Rock Smash in Johto (HGSS), without the National Dex.
That's true! I wasn't sure if I wanted to include new Gen retcons when I originally decided on Sinnoh for Aerodactyl. Kalos does coincide with a bunch of other tidbits that people really liked though (particularly the Mega evolution thing)!
In my mind, it makes sense for Exeggcute to be from Johto, but it was only able to evolve into Exeggutor for the first time in Alola
Well, it could always evolve into Exeggutor, just not Alolan Exeggutor, haha
@@BabusGameRoom well, in the Kanto and Johto games leaf stones are only available through gifts and purchases, but they're only available through repeatable methods in the kalos games. Soooo 🤔
Hmm...but leaf stones first obtainable infinitely "in the wild" in Sinnoh...the plot thickens! haha
@@BabusGameRoom so suspicious! 🤭
Alolan Exeggutor was probably at leas partialy inspired by the booster box. Also Pokemon Home refers to the original variant as just the species name, Ie Alolan Meowth and Galarian Meowth are referred to as Alola Form and Galar form while regular Meowth is just Meowth. I don't think the more common forms are referred to as Kantonian/Hoenn/Unovan/Kalos Pokemon normally.
Also a few regional Variants are stated to be the original in universe. Galarian Zigzagoon is stated to be the oldest known form and Alolan Exeggutor is theorized to be the original.
Yeah, someone drew something interesting for fun, and someone later saw it and said "Let's make it real", haha
Good point on the naming conventions. But it's weird that Galarian Zigzagoon would be "the original" but also a "Galarian Form". You'd think the original would just be "Zigzagoon" and then we'd have "Hoennian Zigzagoon" or something. Game Freak does NOT make this easy for us! haha
@@BabusGameRoom Proably in universe the hoenn Zigzagoon would be the common variant. I'd imagine that in universe it was assumed that regular Zigzagoon was assumed to be the original until genetic evidence or fossil record proved other wise.
Also across the entire switch libray of pokemon games don't add any reference to form on the first debut variants like they do with regoinal variants and pokemon with named forms like Oricorio and Basculin.
Love these videos!
Thank you so much! I'm glad you're enjoying them! =D
12:04 there are some mega dex entries that say that dorment or latent powers/genes were awaken from mega evolution like mega amphos getting hair again ans becoming part dragon
Hmm...I wonder if that makes Mega evolutions something sort of between the Scarlet Paradox Pokemon and modern day Pokemon...
6:27 In 1869, ~Hokkaidō~ sorry, Sinnoh was host to the short-lived Ezo Republic, founded by forces loyal to the Tokugawa bakufu in ~Yedo~ Saffron who had lost the Bōshin War against the Emperor and his forces. Two of the founders of the Ezo Republic were Jules Brunet and André Cazeneuve, members of a French military mission to Japan from 1867 who had refused to leave after being recalled by the French government. So maybe they and their associates/hangers-on brought veevees with them from Kalos, who became an invasive species in Hisui and the Japanese archipelago more generally.
13:18 The Orange and Sevii Islands are both based on the Bōnin/Ogasawara island chain off the “corner” of Japan, and are administratively part of Tōkyō Prefecture. So I count them as part of the Kantō region.
As for Guyana, I and a few of my friends on Discord headcanon that Holon from the TCG is Lake Maracaibo and the surrounding region of Venezuela, due to the Catatumbo lightning that occurs there. (We need more TCG sets with lore.)
saw this after leaving a long comment about exeggcute on the other video only for the points to be brushed on here, oops
i know these videos focus exclusively on the game lore so maybe this isn't in consideration, but it's worth mentioning some artwork (cant remember where its from, TCG promotional material i think?) depicts Exeggutor in its elongated form 10+ years before it became real in Gen 7, so its possible this was thought of from the start (especially with the real-world inspiration of Japan and Hawaii)
6:55 By this definition, Eevee IS from Unova. Yes, it’s a city, but it’s not some trophy garden situation. It does seem like wild Pokémon. Animals live in cities. As for it not being in BW1… how do you know? You can’t get to the area with Eevee in BW1 to check if they’re there or not.
I swear, Eevees home region is going to go back and forth every video lol
There's been a lot of back and forth about Eevee, but the B2W2 Pokemon are explicitly non-native as far as I know. Even if the area isn't accessible, some commenters have mentioned that there's NPC dialogue that says the new (non-Gen 5) Pokemon in Unova have been introduced in the time skip between BW and B2W2.
That would go against the "normal" part of the definition, haha
The player did go to space in the Delta Episode of Pokemon ORAS
Wow, I didn't know that!
Is it a full dungeon, or just an encounter map?
@@BabusGameRoom Just an encounter map if I’m understanding correctly. From what I remember, it’s one of the final battles in the post game and involves encountering/capturing Rayquaza at Sky Pillar, riding it into space, and battling Deoxys.
It isn’t really an area, more so a cutscene and BOOM! Deoxys. Serebii has a complete breakdown of everything about it including the lead up if you’re interested. Should be able to just search for “Delta Episode” and find it in the first few results.
@@BabusGameRoom Not even an encounter map really. It's a cutscene from the Sky Pillar that leads directly into a battle in space and then returns to the sky pillar after it's over.
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Oh, thanks for the link!
Ohh, I just watched the cutscene video! The player does go to space, but doesn't even get to walk around at all?? Huge missed opportunity!! haha
The timeline probably causes some interesting implications though.
Chronologically, Exeggcute's recording in the Hoenn dex would happen before the Johto games do, because supposedly Kanto/Hoenn happen at the same time...
Wouldn't that make it being from the tropics supercede where we first technically see it? Yes, retcons are opinion, but I feel like in current canon that's the case
Chronologically by game canon, but my preference is to go by the games' release date as much as possible.
I've also had others suggest that parts of Johto could be considered tropical if we're going by real-world parallels. But I'm not entirely convinced yet that it isn't just marketing fluff, haha