17:34 I think Usher could hear it because when she’d been hearing it at the office- it _was_ in her head- but back at her apartment the sound was literally there so he could hear it, too.
Something that i've noticed most reviewers miss when talking about the shows connections to Poe's stories, was that episode 6 was also based on Poe's story about a man who's being haunted by his doppleganger just like how Tamerlane sees Verna acting as her doppleganger throughout the episode.
The Goldbug in the original story was supposed to save the family, The Goldbug in tfofhu is supposed to save the families reputation. I think Tammy’s death is sadder than the rest of the kid’s bc she showed just the tiniest hint of character growth (apologizing to Bill even though it was too late and he was already gone, offering a small amount of comfort to Juno about Rodrick) and it was more than the rest of her siblings combined. Also Verna kept telling her to just lie down and relax, that she was only going to hurt herself.
One overlooked point: no one mentions that Roderick and Madeline are sleeping in the same bed the night the mom claws out of her buried coffin. I imagine they probably scared but that is weird. There is a Phoenix House Foundation that was established in 1967. Phoenix House is a nonprofit drug and alcohol rehabilitation organization operating in ten states with 150 programs. Programs serve individuals, families, and communities affected by substance abuse and dependency. You guys ROCK!
Also, sorry to keep commenting but Morella’s name comes from Morella, a story about a woman who becomes extraordinarily ill and it destroys every part of her except her teeth, her husband in his grief robs her grave to take them.
A lot of people complain that this was a shallow series that lost the opportunity to explore the Ushers in depth. But that's the whole point. 1. This is a story about shallow people that make shallow decisions, who raise shallow children that make shallow decisions. 2. Poe was a master of short stories and other tales shared in short form. These did not take the time to go into depth on the characters and plot. The show reflects that. 3. The whole story is narrated from Roderick Usher's POV. His children were already dead and they told him about their last days on Earth afterwards. So there's no way Roderick could go into depth on them, because even though we see them on the screen, they are really just retold memories. The only character they go into depth was Roderick himself, because he's the narrator. Even then it feels shallow because he's a shallow man that makes shallow decisions. 4. The Ushers were not meant to be liked. The more in depth you go into characters, the more opportunity for sympathy there will be. And I don't think Mike Flanagan wanted us to feel any sympathy for any of the Ushers except Lenore.
Verna is fate, according to the actress. Also, I wonder if the ash on Madeline’s hands was mortar from the brick wall they built in ‘79? Kind of like blood on her hands, but…mortar 😂. It was so fun to watch this series without knowing the episode titles, it made it all the more exciting to figure out how the different stories were being used.
In Madeline’s monologue Verna’s voice replaces Madeline’s voice when she says, “the bill is due.” The deal was set. All would die. Had Roderick and Madeline done good with the fortune the only difference would have been painless deaths. The conflicted message given to young Roderick and Madeline by their mother was the basis of what Roderick gave to his own. He did not know how to raise children because his mother was unhinged and his father was the essence of cruelty. Madeline had the foresight to prevent pregnancy by getting an I.U.D. Now I’m reaching but the timbre of Griswold’s voice, especially, in the scenes with young Roderick was very similar to old Roderick’s. It was as if Roderick was talking to himself. Like young Roderick was getting counseled by the person he became.
First time stumbling upon your channel and I absolutely love the vibes and the dynamic between you two! 💗 I enjoyed tfothou but if I compare it to Hill House and Bly Manor, it felt a bit "lengthy".
You kinda missed a rather important moment - Arthur's discussion with Verna and his rejection of her offer. It shows that she isn't actually Death, just karma, or cause and effect. THAT would also have been the best moment to reveal that she is truly supernatural.
I’ve been reading so many reviews where people are saying Verna “works for the devil”, she’s evil etc. I couldn’t possibly disagree more with these statements, though. I feel like she’s more fate, a pretty grim reaper of sorts lol .. she was simply following through on the deal made in the bar. She told Morella to “go, now”, she gave Lenore a peaceful death, Camille’s face didn’t need to get ripped off so violently, if only she would’ve shut up. Everyone’s got their own interpretation of course. I admit I watched the series three times in its entirety in the past week, it’s cool finding more Easter eggs each time lol .. another topic while I’m at it is how Roderick & Madeline are to blame for the kids deaths & it’s true, they made the deal, however, the kids lived very selfish, arrogant & not so nice lifestyles that it made it hard to feel sorry for any of them. It would be different if they were decent people, but they weren’t. So whether that deal was made or not the way they lived their lives they quite possibly could’ve met similar fates anyway 😂
i have to point out ^^ you guys said the only miss step was the thing where she vanished in ash i have to say the biggest misstep atleast for me was the death of vic and here is why.... all kids died because of there own choices verna always gave them the choice or told them or manipulated their outcome of death but only with vic she choose to take over vic herself and kill her for all other deaths she was just a bystander but not in vics case and that was a bit odd for me
I think out of everybody, Victorine had THEE MOST chances to do the right thing. I remember when Verna was trying to ask if Ruiz was okay with the surgery because nobody had seen her. The room went orange, and the heartbeat got louder, and you saw this dual feature of the patient vs. Verna speaking. Vic also needed to come to terms with what she did, killing her partner, watching her bleed out even though help was right outside the door, and trying to "fix it" by putting the heart device on. She blocked it out until the last moments before her death. She was already psychologically dead. And while Vic should have went out on her own in a sense, Roderick needed to come to terms that he was dying, the damage he did to everyone, how messed up his family is. I think if he saw Verna in the room, he would still have been in denial.
thats all good points why she had to die but still is no answer to my argument... vic was about the use someone inocent in her experiment yeah but still my argument was that vic was the only one who got killed by vernas own hands and thats fact and yeah what she wanted to do was terrible but what fredderick did was alot worse and she still didnt lay hands on him so prove me wrong .... the way vic dies doesnt fit
17:34 I think Usher could hear it because when she’d been hearing it at the office- it _was_ in her head- but back at her apartment the sound was literally there so he could hear it, too.
Something that i've noticed most reviewers miss when talking about the shows connections to Poe's stories, was that episode 6 was also based on Poe's story about a man who's being haunted by his doppleganger just like how Tamerlane sees Verna acting as her doppleganger throughout the episode.
Mrs. Know-It-All said nice catch! Thank you for that insight.
@@arealknowitall -You're welcome 🙂. Glad you loved the show as much as I did.
William Wilson is the name of the Story and also the name of Tammy’s husband.
@@jaimelowe4246 -Thanks for the reminder 🙂👍. I remembered the story, I just couldn't remember what it was called.
The Goldbug in the original story was supposed to save the family, The Goldbug in tfofhu is supposed to save the families reputation.
I think Tammy’s death is sadder than the rest of the kid’s bc she showed just the tiniest hint of character growth (apologizing to Bill even though it was too late and he was already gone, offering a small amount of comfort to Juno about Rodrick) and it was more than the rest of her siblings combined. Also Verna kept telling her to just lie down and relax, that she was only going to hurt herself.
Tammy's final moment was really poignant
One overlooked point: no one mentions that Roderick and Madeline are sleeping in the same bed the night the mom claws out of her buried coffin. I imagine they probably scared but that is weird.
There is a Phoenix House Foundation that was established in 1967. Phoenix House is a nonprofit drug and alcohol rehabilitation organization operating in ten states with 150 programs. Programs serve individuals, families, and communities affected by substance abuse and dependency.
You guys ROCK!
Also, sorry to keep commenting but Morella’s name comes from Morella, a story about a woman who becomes extraordinarily ill and it destroys every part of her except her teeth, her husband in his grief robs her grave to take them.
Heck no keep it up we love discussing this stuff and you keep bringing up such great stuff thank you!
I'm still gobsmacked by how cleverly Flanagan connects RUE Morgue to House of Usher. Creating that acronym was a seriously literary flex💪🏼🙊
A lot of people complain that this was a shallow series that lost the opportunity to explore the Ushers in depth. But that's the whole point.
1. This is a story about shallow people that make shallow decisions, who raise shallow children that make shallow decisions.
2. Poe was a master of short stories and other tales shared in short form. These did not take the time to go into depth on the characters and plot. The show reflects that.
3. The whole story is narrated from Roderick Usher's POV. His children were already dead and they told him about their last days on Earth afterwards. So there's no way Roderick could go into depth on them, because even though we see them on the screen, they are really just retold memories. The only character they go into depth was Roderick himself, because he's the narrator. Even then it feels shallow because he's a shallow man that makes shallow decisions.
4. The Ushers were not meant to be liked. The more in depth you go into characters, the more opportunity for sympathy there will be. And I don't think Mike Flanagan wanted us to feel any sympathy for any of the Ushers except Lenore.
Verna is fate, according to the actress. Also, I wonder if the ash on Madeline’s hands was mortar from the brick wall they built in ‘79? Kind of like blood on her hands, but…mortar 😂. It was so fun to watch this series without knowing the episode titles, it made it all the more exciting to figure out how the different stories were being used.
Verna is an anagram
@@terrystewart1973 her name is an anagram
In Madeline’s monologue Verna’s voice replaces Madeline’s voice when she says, “the bill is due.”
The deal was set. All would die. Had Roderick and Madeline done good with the fortune the only difference would have been painless deaths.
The conflicted message given to young Roderick and Madeline by their mother was the basis of what Roderick gave to his own. He did not know how to raise children because his mother was unhinged and his father was the essence of cruelty. Madeline had the foresight to prevent pregnancy by getting an I.U.D.
Now I’m reaching but the timbre of Griswold’s voice, especially, in the scenes with young Roderick was very similar to old Roderick’s. It was as if Roderick was talking to himself. Like young Roderick was getting counseled by the person he became.
Roderick could hear the heart mesh because it was in Victorine's house.
First time stumbling upon your channel and I absolutely love the vibes and the dynamic between you two! 💗 I enjoyed tfothou but if I compare it to Hill House and Bly Manor, it felt a bit "lengthy".
You kinda missed a rather important moment - Arthur's discussion with Verna and his rejection of her offer. It shows that she isn't actually Death, just karma, or cause and effect.
THAT would also have been the best moment to reveal that she is truly supernatural.
the fact that your wife is a fellow Poe nerd makes me happy c:
I did the same thing and watched all episodes yesterday - it was awesome 😎
People were visibly upset when Lenore had to die.
I’ve been reading so many reviews where people are saying Verna “works for the devil”, she’s evil etc. I couldn’t possibly disagree more with these statements, though. I feel like she’s more fate, a pretty grim reaper of sorts lol .. she was simply following through on the deal made in the bar. She told Morella to “go, now”, she gave Lenore a peaceful death, Camille’s face didn’t need to get ripped off so violently, if only she would’ve shut up. Everyone’s got their own interpretation of course. I admit I watched the series three times in its entirety in the past week, it’s cool finding more Easter eggs each time lol .. another topic while I’m at it is how Roderick & Madeline are to blame for the kids deaths & it’s true, they made the deal, however, the kids lived very selfish, arrogant & not so nice lifestyles that it made it hard to feel sorry for any of them. It would be different if they were decent people, but they weren’t. So whether that deal was made or not the way they lived their lives they quite possibly could’ve met similar fates anyway 😂
i have to point out ^^ you guys said the only miss step was the thing where she vanished in ash i have to say the biggest misstep atleast for me was the death of vic and here is why....
all kids died because of there own choices verna always gave them the choice or told them or manipulated their outcome of death but only with vic she choose to take over vic herself and kill her for all other deaths she was just a bystander but not in vics case and that was a bit odd for me
I can see this ok fair enough
I think out of everybody, Victorine had THEE MOST chances to do the right thing. I remember when Verna was trying to ask if Ruiz was okay with the surgery because nobody had seen her. The room went orange, and the heartbeat got louder, and you saw this dual feature of the patient vs. Verna speaking.
Vic also needed to come to terms with what she did, killing her partner, watching her bleed out even though help was right outside the door, and trying to "fix it" by putting the heart device on. She blocked it out until the last moments before her death. She was already psychologically dead.
And while Vic should have went out on her own in a sense, Roderick needed to come to terms that he was dying, the damage he did to everyone, how messed up his family is. I think if he saw Verna in the room, he would still have been in denial.
When Verna appeared to her as the perfect human candidate all she had to be was say no
thats all good points why she had to die but still is no answer to my argument... vic was about the use someone inocent in her experiment yeah but still my argument was that vic was the only one who got killed by vernas own hands and thats fact and yeah what she wanted to do was terrible but what fredderick did was alot worse and she still didnt lay hands on him so prove me wrong .... the way vic dies doesnt fit
@@hattaki3208 I thought she killed herself
Isnt the cat episode also based off of a H.P. Lovecraft story? The rats in the walls?
It's based on The Black Cat, by Poe
Stop talking over the female. Not an even commentary