I believe they released a patch that slowed down the attack animation of this staff. It's still rated the same, but it isn't actually as fast. For those of you wondering.
Hey WikiGameGuides, they don't need to have armor on the right arm for you to get the weapon, as long as you cut the right arm, even if it is armor-less, you will get the weapon.
It's easier to deal way more damage with the Pax 1h wep, after he slides at you do a slide move of your own positioning your self behind him. The 1h move set after each slide hit (sprint + horizontal attack) followed by a vertical hit guarantees a 3 hit strike ( slide slash + horizontal + vert)
I just got this game and i also have just obtained the staff. Its been a year since this vid and i don't see that this is such an OP weapon anymore. The dev's must have done an update since this games release because i just don't see the hitting power at all. unless there are implants i'm missing to increase my hitting power
i feel like their armor is more valuable.. also funny thing, the two dudes by the train tracks aren't there in my game and there are 2 more by the vending machine cult
I'm pretty sure if I remember right, I got the staff by attacking his arm even though it had no armor. I didn't get the armor blueprint, but I got the staff still and it was easier to kill the officer. Also, if I give the lady an upgraded version of the staff, will I have to re-upgrade the staff if I get another one?
Yes, you'll have to re-upgrade the new one. But at one point when she asks for armor, equip the upgraded armor parts and craft lvl 1 parts for her. This way, you're sure you won't give her the upgraded parts.
Any specific weapon that I should use to fight them? Every time I get some hits in then they get super armor or something while I'm in the middle of an attack and one shot me.
Ugh, the guards downstairs dont spawn for me and I didnt know about the Irene thing when I killed the 1st set of security guards.. and Ignis seems like its not an option to give to her considering it wont show up as an option when trying to give her a staff
So I killed the guards by accident and they did not drop the staff. Is there another way to get it? Also the two security guards below Irena did not spawn for me.
Idk if youre still looking but the ones by irena were moved over by the vending machine cult when creo wprld came out in this area there are only 4 but you can fight more later on in the game
It's range and moveset is supercool! Elemental dmg is not so good as enemy armor easily eats it. Stagger is not so high either, heavier armors just don't feel it. Overall damage is super cool though. :3
I defeated both by operations but now they no longer spawn any more. In this video it shows another pair located down the steps but for me no one is down their.
Just restart the game. If you're struggling with the enemies then its totally worth it. Also if you have an implant where you can gain more power from attacking then you don't need to attack an armored arm. Just the one holding the weapon. If they look like they're going to die and you don't have enough power then do as WGG said and run to Ops and reset the area that way.
@@thecomplainer6365 Could be they reset after certain things have been done, again though the negotiator's staff is barely worth the fight to get it, PAX is king
I got this weapon somewhere further down where that Women is searching through the trash, there are 2 security people too, and promptly gave it away to that women because i thought i had the blueprint or something Turns out i had the blueprint of the arm and i killed the others for the other blueprints, so now no weapon sadly, anyone know if there are more security guys in the 2nd area aside from those 4, or are they in the 3rd area?
I actually dont like it alot it has low impact and doesn't deal as much as other staffs and has shorter range than other staffs, in this zone I found the big ass hammer thing worked really well because it stun locks so hard and with the lynx it swings pretty fast but I mostly use single rig and heavy weapons for heavy sturnlocking and damage, twin rigs are crazy weak, one handed is ok, staffs are great (not this one though, after the second boss you can find a much better staff with better elemental damage, base damage, impact and it sets dudes on fire and its longer) single rig is great with good poise damage and damage and heavy just wrecks shit.
Actually you can, I was trying to cut of the armored right arm of the 2nd one (1st one was already dead) and accidentally killed him losing my chance on that save
Did they move the second location of the security guards in a patch at some point? (perhaps for easier access to the DLC train). When I played the game for the first time a few days ago I killed the ones near the barriers and gave the staff to Irina (never journeying below). Then later when I went down to kill the other two there were none on the train platform like in the video. I found them later guarding the gate by the IronMaus vending machine. Perhaps Irinia is keeping the guards from climbing the stairs and when you complete the first part of her quest and she moves on, the guards change their location?
It can be easier than that way :D i just pulled them both out, ran away and at the moment they turnt back i ran behind them and backstab em . Just do that a couple of times and they wont harm u :)
I wasn't comfortable fighting security guards, ie good enough yet, until I progressed to the next area with the grwenhouses. I used the fire staff from the 2nd boss to get the staff, however if you meet the Scientist lady and progress the story the girl is no longer in the stairway. I found her again, but there was just dialog about how she found her own staff. I think I acrewed up her quest chain.
Also, if you have the Creoworld DLC there's a way to give an MG negotiator to Irina, keep an MG negotiator for yourself, and still get the full MG Gorgon set bonus before killing the 2nd boss. Cut off the right arm to get the weapon and give it to Irina, then cut off the right arm again to get the weapon for yourself (making sure one of the times you do this the right arm is armored). Now for the other 2 enemy spawns cut off the leg and the body. You now have every Gorgon piece but the head. Enter the DLC via the graffiti train below Irina and dismember the head of the first mascot you see. The mascot heads are universally compatible and will pair up with any armor set allowing you to keep the set bonus. Craft the mascot head to add to the rest of the gorgon set and you now have the faster stamina regen set bonus.
Lynx is increased attack speed, Liquidator set is Additional Bonus to Elemental Resistance, RHINO is increased impact while under the effect of implants that boost your weapon damage, Scarab increases the effect of all Vital Boost implants MG Gorgon increases Stamina Regeneration, this guy demonstrates the set: watch?v=g9BA0jngrpY still missing the legs myself sadly
That security door need to upgrade you Exo-rig for open it. it's in the map that has black cerberus boss. it's near the med bay of that area. That exo rig give you 16 slot for implant at level 105 core power. And my favorite armor is MG gorgon. Feel so good with high rate stamina recovery. Get from the enemy in this video.At first you find just 4 of them in the same map in this video but later they become normal enemy and can be respawn.
Tried the staff it sucks compared to my one or two hit kills with the first boss weapon drop staff always gets broken through and I get slaughtered using the first boss drop weapon I kill them all 2 or 3 hits and they stagger enough to not hit me once just aim at head of duel dagger dude huge hammer guy or other guy slide into them keep light attacking or 2 or 3 then hold square on ps4
Not sure what version of the game this video is from but this weapon is terrible now. No poise damage whatsoever in a game where poise damage is extremely important. For bosses that are immune to poise damage maybe its ok but for everything else stay away
I just finished out the Greenhouse, and I'm still using the vibroblade at Rank II, with proficiency 15. With an implant that gives me a +30 energy gain on top of the sword's +30, X-Cables bringing down cost by 10%, and the v3 medical implant that allows unlimited heals with an energy cost I'm a wrecking ball. I never feel an energy crunch if I want to target a body part, because 4 hits will fill my bar enough for the chop. At the same time if I get too aggressive and eat a hit or two, a full bar of energy equals about a half a bar of health. I still slot one v3 heal injector as an "oh shit" button, but it lets me play the game like Bloodborne where aggression is key and the solution to damage is to lay down the hurt.
That being said, fucking bloodhounds. FUCKING bloodhounds. Just when I got good at dealing with the welding robots last sector, these backflipping motherfuckers show up.
Honestly the 2nd best weapon of the game The only better weapon is the one you get from the gurl you give armor and staffs whichbhas a bit more raw damage and same elemenral damage 108 at max upgrade, onky thing with higher max damage i found so far numbers wise is the arm weapon of tge like astronaut of the first zone of the game after you beat the big green robot
I did this earlier thinking i could get the weapons, but i didnt get them at all so thought they didnt drop anything... Now that i see that someone else got something im kinda sad :/
ua-cam.com/video/w1tNg2vxd_s/v-deo.html these guards were removed due to the arrival of the Creo world DLC, does anyone know if they appear in this place in the early game or only there on the 2nd or 3rd visit after the firebug?
I dono why ppl keep saying thus the best weapon staffs suck oax is by far the best early game weapon so far till biolab i didnt have a single problem using it and only died due to falling through holes pax is op
They come in a pair of too. I got the chainsaw and well... you have to cheese them. Let the bot shoot them. let them come to the stairs. Let them attack. Attack them twice on the right arm. Then run away and repeat.You get the weapon this way.
nevermind, i got it on the 3rd security guard. its just like you said. just attack the arm and only the arm. i went with weak points then attack the arm on half hp to make things quick coz im still using the damn pipe. took the 4th guard's shirt after that XD
Ya I found a better trick of getting it (I have the free dlc control rod) I used the heavy attack after one slams his staff down then do a combo of 2 then dodge back
I believe they released a patch that slowed down the attack animation of this staff. It's still rated the same, but it isn't actually as fast. For those of you wondering.
But with full lynx armor and some implants it's ridiculous.
Hey WikiGameGuides, they don't need to have armor on the right arm for you to get the weapon, as long as you cut the right arm, even if it is armor-less, you will get the weapon.
You are completely right
He want that mk3 parts tho
It's easier to deal way more damage with the Pax 1h wep, after he slides at you do a slide move of your own positioning your self behind him. The 1h move set after each slide hit (sprint + horizontal attack) followed by a vertical hit guarantees a 3 hit strike ( slide slash + horizontal + vert)
I got this weapon also quite early, I love it, still using it. Only minus is that it doesnt give much power from hits.
wanted to let you know you can also block there staff attacks when they first attack you helps a ton.
I just got this game and i also have just obtained the staff. Its been a year since this vid and i don't see that this is such an OP weapon anymore. The dev's must have done an update since this games release because i just don't see the hitting power at all. unless there are implants i'm missing to increase my hitting power
Black Knight Halberd?
Maybe
i feel like their armor is more valuable.. also funny thing, the two dudes by the train tracks aren't there in my game and there are 2 more by the vending machine cult
DeuceDrop same I killed both feuding guards and now there not in the basement
Same for me.
Yeah same here
Same for me
What does the woman give you for giving her the staff? Or what is the benefit in giving her the staff?
5 years too late but absolutely nothing
You can actually give her the Biomaster staff as well, and the Negotiator is better than the Biomaster and the Spitfire Rod V2. is better than both.
Even better than the Spitfire V2?
I have doubts to buy arises by the bad experience of lord of fallen, in waves the enemies son a challenge? And also the duration, how short is it?
I'm pretty sure if I remember right, I got the staff by attacking his arm even though it had no armor. I didn't get the armor blueprint, but I got the staff still and it was easier to kill the officer. Also, if I give the lady an upgraded version of the staff, will I have to re-upgrade the staff if I get another one?
Yes, you'll have to re-upgrade the new one. But at one point when she asks for armor, equip the upgraded armor parts and craft lvl 1 parts for her. This way, you're sure you won't give her the upgraded parts.
I went down there, amd I didnt find the two guards .....
There are still two near the Iron Maus Armor cult.
Any specific weapon that I should use to fight them? Every time I get some hits in then they get super armor or something while I'm in the middle of an attack and one shot me.
Ugh, the guards downstairs dont spawn for me and I didnt know about the Irene thing when I killed the 1st set of security guards.. and Ignis seems like its not an option to give to her considering it wont show up as an option when trying to give her a staff
So I killed the guards by accident and they did not drop the staff. Is there another way to get it? Also the two security guards below Irena did not spawn for me.
Idk if youre still looking but the ones by irena were moved over by the vending machine cult when creo wprld came out in this area there are only 4 but you can fight more later on in the game
It's range and moveset is supercool! Elemental dmg is not so good as enemy armor easily eats it. Stagger is not so high either, heavier armors just don't feel it. Overall damage is super cool though. :3
Volatile Spectre is the best early game weapon!
DarkSoulsStuff strengths?
Adine the Wyvern none
YES
Such an amazing weapon still
I defeated both by operations but now they no longer spawn any more. In this video it shows another pair located down the steps but for me no one is down their.
There are more later on behind the mause vending machine
Ok I killed the first 2 and freaked out, then remembered that there was 2 more thank you for this man
Killed both guards near the medbay, neither gave the option of cutting off the arm. anyway to reset them at all?
Just restart the game. If you're struggling with the enemies then its totally worth it. Also if you have an implant where you can gain more power from attacking then you don't need to attack an armored arm. Just the one holding the weapon. If they look like they're going to die and you don't have enough power then do as WGG said and run to Ops and reset the area that way.
@@superblargio1882 restart the game fully or just close the app
@@fluidgaming7399 these guys stay dead you'd need to restart the game entirely, it's honestly not worth that much effort
@@Furionic696 they respawned for me
@@thecomplainer6365 Could be they reset after certain things have been done, again though the negotiator's staff is barely worth the fight to get it, PAX is king
I got this weapon somewhere further down where that Women is searching through the trash, there are 2 security people too, and promptly gave it away to that women because i thought i had the blueprint or something
Turns out i had the blueprint of the arm and i killed the others for the other blueprints, so now no weapon sadly, anyone know if there are more security guys in the 2nd area aside from those 4, or are they in the 3rd area?
I just hit the third area, I will let you know if I find any
Thanks, im just about to hit the second boss, hopefully getting the special Weapon somehow
These enemies will become commonplace later in the game (mid to end game) and there are more neutral security guards after this level.
Thanks! I hope the 'OP' Weapon isnt useless by then haha
James Black Nah it is pretty good with if you upgrade it like the rest of the weapons
I actually dont like it alot it has low impact and doesn't deal as much as other staffs and has shorter range than other staffs, in this zone I found the big ass hammer thing worked really well because it stun locks so hard and with the lynx it swings pretty fast but I mostly use single rig and heavy weapons for heavy sturnlocking and damage, twin rigs are crazy weak, one handed is ok, staffs are great (not this one though, after the second boss you can find a much better staff with better elemental damage, base damage, impact and it sets dudes on fire and its longer) single rig is great with good poise damage and damage and heavy just wrecks shit.
i just did it but it didn't let me cut of their arms they just died
This is way out of date by now. It seems like they debuffed this weapon hardcore, because it's absolutely worthless now.
Why are those not respawning, I killed them all and did cut off the arm 4 times but apparently it wasn't damaged enough so I didn't get anything :(
It would be nice if you were tell us where you are for us that still early in the game.I think I'm close to that area but a name would help.
Actually you can, I was trying to cut of the armored right arm of the 2nd one (1st one was already dead) and accidentally killed him losing my chance on that save
anyone know why those two sec guards at bottom of stairs DIDNT show up for me?
How you got 9 heals?
Did they move the second location of the security guards in a patch at some point? (perhaps for easier access to the DLC train). When I played the game for the first time a few days ago I killed the ones near the barriers and gave the staff to Irina (never journeying below). Then later when I went down to kill the other two there were none on the train platform like in the video. I found them later guarding the gate by the IronMaus vending machine.
Perhaps Irinia is keeping the guards from climbing the stairs and when you complete the first part of her quest and she moves on, the guards change their location?
Yeah they aren't at the bottom of the stairs anymore on mine as well
The way I fight them is I do the back off strat but I target a part without armour then when they are low I switch to the part I want and execute
You can give her some other staff you find, I can't recall, somewhere before or after the boss. It's like a medi-something.
It can be easier than that way :D i just pulled them both out, ran away and at the moment they turnt back i ran behind them and backstab em . Just do that a couple of times and they wont harm u :)
I wasn't comfortable fighting security guards, ie good enough yet, until I progressed to the next area with the grwenhouses. I used the fire staff from the 2nd boss to get the staff, however if you meet the Scientist lady and progress the story the girl is no longer in the stairway. I found her again, but there was just dialog about how she found her own staff. I think I acrewed up her quest chain.
Yeah, if you leave the 2nd area after killing the boss without talking to her and giving her the staff you'll miss the quest chain.
Also, if you have the Creoworld DLC there's a way to give an MG negotiator to Irina, keep an MG negotiator for yourself, and still get the full MG Gorgon set bonus before killing the 2nd boss.
Cut off the right arm to get the weapon and give it to Irina, then cut off the right arm again to get the weapon for yourself (making sure one of the times you do this the right arm is armored). Now for the other 2 enemy spawns cut off the leg and the body. You now have every Gorgon piece but the head. Enter the DLC via the graffiti train below Irina and dismember the head of the first mascot you see. The mascot heads are universally compatible and will pair up with any armor set allowing you to keep the set bonus. Craft the mascot head to add to the rest of the gorgon set and you now have the faster stamina regen set bonus.
What do you do if you screw it up
I'm so confused, After I killed em both they didn't respawn again
Can someone help me or give info?
Go back to the med bay they should respawn or just close the application and load it back up (:
I think if you get the head of them, you are able to enter that locked door, security personnel only, in the powerplant.
Nope, you either need the full set (im missing 1 piece and the weapon) or you get clearance later in the game, or even NG+
+James Black any idea what the set bonus is? I have two pieces so far
Lynx is increased attack speed, Liquidator set is Additional Bonus to Elemental Resistance, RHINO is increased impact while under the effect of implants that boost your weapon damage, Scarab increases the effect of all Vital Boost implants
MG Gorgon increases Stamina Regeneration, this guy demonstrates the set: watch?v=g9BA0jngrpY still missing the legs myself sadly
That security door need to upgrade you Exo-rig for open it. it's in the map that has black cerberus boss. it's near the med bay of that area. That exo rig give you 16 slot for implant at level 105 core power.
And my favorite armor is MG gorgon. Feel so good with high rate stamina recovery. Get from the enemy in this video.At first you find just 4 of them in the same map in this video but later they become normal enemy and can be respawn.
I hope you're correct about that, i'm about to quit this game - so frustrating.
Tried the staff it sucks compared to my one or two hit kills with the first boss weapon drop staff always gets broken through and I get slaughtered using the first boss drop weapon I kill them all 2 or 3 hits and they stagger enough to not hit me once just aim at head of duel dagger dude huge hammer guy or other guy slide into them keep light attacking or 2 or 3 then hold square on ps4
i think they gutted all op items cuz [NO FUN ALLOWED]
I failed to get the MG negotiator. Is there another way to get it?
Only later game or restart the game
The two guards below don't exist anymore.
What? They removed the ability to get this staff?
So I get the weapon then the armour thx u just earned a sub
I did the same...😊 but i took the arm schem only on one..but i would love to get the head schem
Not sure what version of the game this video is from but this weapon is terrible now. No poise damage whatsoever in a game where poise damage is extremely important. For bosses that are immune to poise damage maybe its ok but for everything else stay away
Wth is poise damage?
I almost got the weapon but the guard did a backflip and fell off the map
Lmao
LMAO
If I already killed them, without cutting their arm off. Do they ever respawn?
Blake Johnson if I already killed them without cutting their arm. Do they every spawn back? Is there another way to get it?
Christopher Hernandez yeah the video explains
You can just keep the staff if you kill the guard, because you can just give the girl the biomaster you find laster on
I just finished out the Greenhouse, and I'm still using the vibroblade at Rank II, with proficiency 15.
With an implant that gives me a +30 energy gain on top of the sword's +30, X-Cables bringing down cost by 10%, and the v3 medical implant that allows unlimited heals with an energy cost I'm a wrecking ball.
I never feel an energy crunch if I want to target a body part, because 4 hits will fill my bar enough for the chop. At the same time if I get too aggressive and eat a hit or two, a full bar of energy equals about a half a bar of health.
I still slot one v3 heal injector as an "oh shit" button, but it lets me play the game like Bloodborne where aggression is key and the solution to damage is to lay down the hurt.
That being said, fucking bloodhounds. FUCKING bloodhounds.
Just when I got good at dealing with the welding robots last sector, these backflipping motherfuckers show up.
I just got this game a few days ago really good so far, I just killed these guys ang got the staff. Torn between this one and the fire staff
Thanks
How do you get them to respawn
They don’t. He literally says that.
I've killed them but they didnt drop anything and now they wont spawn even after restart the game. Help?
there aren't security guards by the tracks for me
Those 2 security guards near female npc, do they respawn?
No
Wow i got it and i dont know how did lost that weapon :( went I logged in again it wasnt there
The arm the weapon is in doesnt need to have armor inorder to get the weapon the enemy is wielding
More hits equal more damage. More damage equals better chance of a cut. It's a safe way of sorts
Honestly the 2nd best weapon of the game
The only better weapon is the one you get from the gurl you give armor and staffs whichbhas a bit more raw damage and same elemenral damage
108 at max upgrade, onky thing with higher max damage i found so far numbers wise is the arm weapon of tge like astronaut of the first zone of the game after you beat the big green robot
DUDDDEEEE. I GOT THE STAFF BEFORE WATCHING THIS AND GAVE IT TO THE STAIR LADY
they respawn by the train where you get your first drone at.
mayne patched with latest patch? did cut arm with all the 4 but no drop. Still great game :)
you have to be sure to cut their right arm carrying the weapon, not just any arm, but i have not tried since most recent patch
I did this earlier thinking i could get the weapons, but i didnt get them at all so thought they didnt drop anything... Now that i see that someone else got something im kinda sad :/
Andreas Johansen yeah they don't drop for me even if I chop their arms off.. Must be some variable that causes it to drop
I didn’t get anything
Guards never spawn at the subway for me
ua-cam.com/video/w1tNg2vxd_s/v-deo.html these guards were removed due to the arrival of the Creo world DLC, does anyone know if they appear in this place in the early game or only there on the 2nd or 3rd visit after the firebug?
I had no idea those guards were so difficult! I beat them both in my first try, and I just thought they were normal enemies. haha
Fanta666 they're only op if they hit you.
Now that I know their reputation though, I'm struggling to defeat the second pair. Sometimes ignorance really is bliss.
I dono why ppl keep saying thus the best weapon staffs suck oax is by far the best early game weapon so far till biolab i didnt have a single problem using it and only died due to falling through holes pax is op
I gave it to Irina Beckett, how cooked am I?
I cut off their arms but only got scrap
Wolfpack3305 I think u cut the wrong one
Aww fck. I killed all 4 but didn't attacked the arm.
i attacked all 4 in the arms and didnt get the staff... any way of getting em now?
the mechanics on this game are intense lol. Slow ass moving robot; thats what i thought until he lunged and proceeded to overhead smash me
I prefer to use engelhart
It been nerf badly not fast and deal low damage
Accidentally killed both of them.. They didn't Respawn 😌
Does not work one bit, they always shredder me with this fk stunshot or whirlwindattack
They come in a pair of too. I got the chainsaw and well... you have to cheese them. Let the bot shoot them. let them come to the stairs. Let them attack. Attack them twice on the right arm. Then run away and repeat.You get the weapon this way.
I got it after around 1hour and a little pause in between.
Miny Neo by just using the drone?
No by constantly dying
The negotiator
I only found 6 só far :(
the guy lied they do respawn in same spot and they down by the tracks and it's 2 more by the train u come to this level it's a robot to with them
Man I gave this weapon to that woman that was asking for a staff
sweett
Hi
Dont drop for me
same here
Did you attack their right arm and do a finishing move or just attack their arm until they died?
nevermind, i got it on the 3rd security guard. its just like you said. just attack the arm and only the arm. i went with weak points then attack the arm on half hp to make things quick coz im still using the damn pipe.
took the 4th guard's shirt after that XD
sorry bad English :(
It took me like 10 tries then I finally got it and come to find out, it was absolute garbage.
I did this same exact thing lol
This doesn't help one fucking bit
Doesn’t work , fake guide
you just need the blue bar up if you don't you can't cut off his arm
Ya I found a better trick of getting it (I have the free dlc control rod) I used the heavy attack after one slams his staff down then do a combo of 2 then dodge back