NO DOUBT'S TRAGIC RISE TO FAME, DEATH OF JOHN SPENCE & TRAGIC KINGDOM
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- Опубліковано 13 кві 2024
- With No Doubt playing Coachella 2024 I thought I'd take a look at No Doubt's Tragic Rise to Fame & The story behind Tragic Kingdom
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No Doubt's early journey was marked by struggle, starting with personal tragedies, interband dynamics, and an initial record that failed commercially. Their story begins with siblings Gwen and Eric Stefani, raised in a music-loving family in Anaheim. They were influenced by ska music, leading them to form No Doubt with John Spence, who tragically took his own life in 1987. The band, shaken but determined, continued with Gwen taking on lead vocals.
Their self-financed debut album in 1992 garnered little attention despite their energetic performances. Eric's departure due to creative differences and depression further strained the band. However, they persevered, incorporating diverse influences into their music and refining their sound.
In 1995, their second album, "Tragic Kingdom," emerged after a tumultuous recording process. Hits like "Just a Girl" and "Don't Speak" propelled them to stardom, though the attention centered mainly on Gwen, causing tensions within the band. Despite internal challenges, the album's success defied industry expectations, eventually reaching diamond certification.
Their meteoric rise came with challenges as fame overshadowed band unity. Nevertheless, they embraced their success humbly, acknowledging the unpredictable nature of the music industry. By 1996, they were outselling major acts, but remained grounded, with some members planning to return to college.
Their story is one of resilience, evolving from personal tragedies and industry setbacks to becoming one of the era's biggest bands. Through perseverance and musical experimentation, No Doubt carved their path, leaving a lasting impact on the music scene of the '90s.
Fantastic expository! As if I didn't already adore this band as is, I now have an even more newfound respect. The sharpest blades are battered the most I suppose. Well done all around.
Thank you! When I do a full hand history I’ll probably expand on some of those early days some more
@@rnrtruestories you guys are awesome!!
My ska band opened for no doubt in 1998. Tony and I hung out and exchanged emails for a few years. He’s a really cool fellow bassist!
His cousin Brad would come to our church student area and hang out. Very funny guy
No Doubt went to my community college. One time they showed the music teacher their music and he said “it’s good but it has no commercial viability..”
They would later return years later with a platinum record in hand..
Don't you love it when you have a passion and you finally get a break to expose your talents and the other notables & influencers come against you and mock your craft and you come out smelling like roses ?? And then they all STFU & go silent 😊
Yes do a full blown history on No Doubt!
yes give us all the gory details please 😄😁😁😁
Yeah 👍
Hey there. I was the bass guy in Tom's old band, Rising. Yes, we rehearsed next to N.D. [Slayer rehearsed in there once or twice as well] in the shadow of Angel Stadium in Anaheim, and that flyer was up on the bulletin board for a few weeks while Tom was still in our band [which was not 'fronted' by his sister, Gina, but by her husband, Mark Machovina, if by anyone - we all took turns in the spotlight], so despite all the interviews and what he told the rest of us at the time, it's obvious he'd decided to join them before he left us. Spence loved our band; there were little windows on the rehearsal rooms and he would watch us jam all the time, hollering and doing back-flips. That dude was so cool, and it was so sad what happened with him. Anyway, the guitar guy I got in there after Tom was great, but created tensions which ultimately killed Rising, which is too bad, because we were really good. I'm still in touch with everyone else from Rising, but Tom stopped returning calls and emails from me decades ago. No clue why, but whatever.
There were several interviews with Tom that the writer wrote his sister fronted the band
@@rnrtruestories Yeah, that's why I let you know what the real deal was.
Gina's also ridiculously talented. So's their brother John. There's a heavy preponderance of very good musicians in the family.
@@abracadaverous Indeed! Salamander was awesome. Super sweet folks too.
@@electricwizard3000are you still making music?
I saw No Doubt along with Bush and Goo Goo Dolls in 96. It was a fantastic concert!
Used to watch the video for Don't speak on MTV as a kid and think how attractive Gwen was but also a really good song.
I think all of us thought Gwen was really hot
Yeah Gwen was smoking hot no doubt lol 🥁
I'm a guy and back in '95 I was at a red light and got caught singing I'M JUST A GIRL IN THE WORLD THAT'S ALL THAT I'LL EVER BEEEE by the car next to me 😂
"Tragic Kingdom" is one of the best albums of the 90s.
It's so good that radio stations still play the TK's singles today.
Thank you, Gwen Stefani and No Doubt, for making great songs for years. :)
Back in 95, my high school set up a grad night for us at Disneyland. My friends and I all went and as we were walking around trying to decide what ride to go on next, we came across a live performance of these guys playing this weird music. We went over to check it out and saw this bleach blonde woman singing, jumping around on stage and climbing the scaffolding. We listened to about 2 songs and walked away saying that they sucked. Fast forward a few months later and all of of the sudden this song came on KROQ... It sounded super familiar. Turns out it was the band that we heard at Disneyland! I was totally blown away. I ended up buying their CD and absolutely fell in love with them. To this day I can't tell you why I didn't like them at first and why I switched on a dime to liking them overnight, but I can tell you that I'm still kicking myself for walking away from a No Doubt concert at Disneyland. Years later, they opened for U2 and guess what... I missed their show because my brother was late and I had his ticket... I only got to see their last song. I guess me seeing them live just isn't meant to be. 😔
You must live in a really wealthy area.
@@jeffreyval9665 I doubt it, that's typical southern CA living back then,when things were good.
@@jeffreyval9665Kind of a strange reply my dude. They’re remembering their own life gone by and you’re, out of the blue, dredging up resentments.
@williamechols2731 Must've been an expensive senior outing. Just saying it had to be a wealthy school district. Wth is so resentful about that??
@@jeffreyval9665 Just struck me as odd you read that story and your reply was based on what you imagined her family’s wealth was.
You’re right. I have no idea what you felt when you wrote your comment. It was just odd the first thing you thought about was how much money her folks had. Odd to me anyways. We all take in life in our own way.
Have a good one.
Yes. The whole story, please. And thank you for this one.
You’re welcome. The consensus seems like to do the full thing
I was lucky enough to see them in concert several times ( always awesome) I even got to see them in very small standing room only venue front row .
Saw them at Cattle Club Sacramento, Ca 1994
They're an awesome band I've been listening to them since middle school
Gwen is 54 years old?? where did the time go?
Seriously. So glad i haven't aged in all this time. That must be hard for her
I just them last night at Coachella and they were so good!!!! Gwen knows how to rock the stage. Since I was a kid I wanted to see them live and I did and it lived up to the hype. Don’t speak was one my favorite song ever and to see it live 😭
I didn’t realize they were touring again. Anyone know how long it’s been since they last played live?
@@Spooky_515 I think they just reunited for Coachella.
Thank you for sharing Joel
Glen Stafani = DUDE
Did you get a second mortgage to go to that atrocity in the desert
Great video for what was a great band. I loved their 90's/early 00's stuff. Now should do a video of the predicted sell out of Gwen stafani.
Ugh. I hate when beautiful people get all that plastic surgery done. She was one of the hottest out there 😢
Yes of course I would love a deeper dive on No Doubt.
Yrs, yes, yes, a full blown feature on No Doubt would be great ❤
Wow....Gwen Stefani was so beautiful back in the day when Tragic Kingdom came out.
Gwen being hot im sure that helped
It is show business....
"Trapped in a Box" is actually my favorite No Doubt song and video.
born in 1986 and not many albums can make me as happy as Tragic Kingdom..they really knocked that one out. All killer no filler. Best CD Cover of the era too.. was just so COOL.
I've loved this band since I was a preteen, it was amazing seeing them perform at Coachella yesterday.
she always gave me a rise lol love the underneath it all video
I totally saw them at coachella yesterday too and tomorrow im gonna go see them at coachella!
It's fairly simple No Doubt became huge because Gwen is a Star and has the 'It' factor. Just like in Hard Rock Sebastian Bach was a Superstar that sold that band Skid Row.
Last night's show at Coachella was such a badass reunion
Coachella: Where great bands and musicians from the 80's and 90's go to embarrass themselves and the garbage "musicians" of the 2000's-today get their mediocrity validated by a bunch of rich kids that have no idea what real talent looks like.
@@jeffreyval9665ouch lol
@@jeffreyval9665how did they embarrass themselves? lol. It was a great show. I swear people will complain about anything.
@Mr-tu4cj Music has been complete garbage for almost 20 years, and these kinds of bands and musicians that are still performing in their 50's is ridiculous and especially at such a corporate and commercial artificial feeling thing like Coachella. A bunch of rich kids and celebrities thinking they're edgy.
Truly love your content! Love seeing this on a Sunday morning. One of my most favorite songs from No Doubt. I have two tribute tattoos to the band.
Wow, thank you!
Yes I would like to see a longer video on the complete history of No Doubt, I feel like there's probably a lot to talk about.
Wonderful insight and Great timing with the Coachella Reunion, looking forward to Part 2!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Full history would be awesome!
Thank you! Loved this band in the 90s-2000s, still love them today. Please do a full blown history!
Will do! Glad you enjoyed the video
Hard or fluff whatever you call them, this us how real music and rock music should always be: from the garage to $5 bar shows to infighting to member changes to venues to getting signed to being stars
All it does is grow your music and makes you better.
All this audition shows and no name rappers going viral is why music from the 2000s BLOWS
Music has been stuck at its lowest point in history for almost 2 decades, and it just keeps getting worse. The golden age for music was the 60's-90's.
Crazy how there’s no musicians in the music industry. Just a bunch of models dancing and lip syncing and of course no talent “rappers” that come and go
Yeah! Do the continued story!
Yeah, that was really cool.. can't wait for part 2!
Kanal was punching above his weight when he hooked up with Gwen.
I remember seeing just a girl late late night on either insomniac theater or alternative nation and I loved the song the moment I heard it. I went to school and tried to describe it to my friends guys and girls how the song was awesome and the singer was gorgeous but everyone was just like ok and. Then the song blew up a few months later and they were all obsessed with No Doubt. I felt like chunk eating the ice cream and was like see I was trying to tell y'all I was telling the truth the whole time 😂
Great video my man. Roughly the same age as you and it’s just so cool to kind of go back and learn this stuff about the music from our younger years, kind of like a time trip. Keep up the good work, homey🤘🏼
Thanks
Sometimes I think I know everything about a band because the same stories always get repeated, but I'll click on your vid anyway because you always surprise me. Once again, you do not disappoint. Gwen is one of my all time favorite front(wo)men. Excellent research. Well done. 👏👏👏
Thank you
I have no doubt that this was a good video
Thanks 😊
Thank you for the information! 👍🏻✌🏼😊
You’re welcome
@@rnrtruestories 👍🏻😊
@@rnrtruestories 👍🏻😊
More no doubt! ❤
I would love to hear a full history of No Doubt.
Will do!
I rememeber hearing just a girl for the first time, I was 14 and she became an icon overnight. Gwen totally defined the mid to late 90s, we all wanted to be her.
I was just listening to Trapped in a Box last weekend 😂
I gave my greatest hits album to my 12 year younger sister. She used to listen to it every day
Yeah, do that No Doubt history video
Great video.
Glad you enjoyed it
Oh yea man, this band was huge when I was in 7th and 8th grade. I used to listen to Magic Kingdom a lot, same with Goldfinger, lol.
You should do a video about the whole story of No Doubt! Here in Argentina the band came to be known way after their 90s success. Mainly, with their version of the song “It’s my life”. Besides that song, people remember Gwen Stefani and not the band. Particularly due to songs like “Rich Girl”, “Cool” and “Hollaback girl”. That’s why I was a little bit surprised when I saw this video, as I had no idea about how popular was this band during the 90s.
Thanks
I'd love another No Doubt video. 👽👍🏻
Got it!
Where did the picture at 3:41 come from?! I think I had that car in high school too!
Whats up with thumbnail gwen picture?! She look so great on coachella last week , must be bad photo angle
Great vid
Great job covering No Doubts rise to fame. Might as well finish their story
Sounds like a lot of people want it so I’ll have to write the rest of it
@@rnrtruestorieslooking forward to it even though most fans don’t like the way the band came to an end. Thus ND fans hate Gwen’s solo stuff but I was happy for her.
Great video as always
Appreciate that
I saw them open up for 311 right before they got huge. It was at the now defunct Starwood on a side stage they had. I would have never thought they'd get that big that fast but when you got Gwen I guess it's inevitable.
Do a part 2 bro!
Will do
Totally. What happened next?
I'd like to see the full history
Full blown no doubt
No doubt was one of metal musician Fallon bowman’s influence
Do a full video of No Doubt please
Will do
@@rnrtruestories love your content bro keep em coming!
Gwen was such a a cute kid when she was at the Box Office at the Marqee club
Good video. May I be bold enough to suggest a big beard sir?
You’re not the first person to tell me
This haha
I don't know if it'd be possible to do a history on Mushroomhead, so many members come and gone, and in fact, currently only one original member is left
I did a story on them and slipknot a while back
RIP Gwen Stefani 1969-2001.
Nice :-)
What
Please do Firehouse 😁
Already done but honestly I could do a more detailed video ua-cam.com/video/8Dg6IoPV3cI/v-deo.htmlsi=xGRs_AJf0kAyHSuP
Gwen Stefani really hit the wall.
Who’s watching on a Sunday morning?
Your Mum.
But I just came up in a breeze….
What happened to the band summer camp? It’s just a Drawer away!!!
All that surgery and she changed her entire energy. Women stop urselves!!
She used to look good before all the plastic
I like there sound , and have seasoned to be good musician's , to bad her and Blake Shelton are Devoicing , but she does have 3 kids from different Dad's ,, Just Saying 🌴 Great job on video 👍
Thanks
All her kids are with Gavjn
I thought Tony was born in the UK ? Please confirm.
you're right
"It's not a Steel Panther song." LOL!
Love me some steel Panther
I saw them open for Fishbone way back when John Spence was the singer. They were a lot of fun. Though I was more on the punk side of ska, I always liked them. I can't stand Gwen's solo stuff, though.
That shit is bananas B-A-N-A-N-A-S!!! Have fun having that one stuck in your head😂😂😂🤮🤮🤮
Am I the only one that loves tragic Kingdom but hates return to saturn?
Yeah I didn’t like their albums after tragic kingdom
Return of Saturn is good in my opinion, and Rock Steady is one of my favorite of their albums.
That's a whole lotta BPA...
Saw them with Bush in Detroit and it didn’t go well, the crowd just wasn’t interested and Gwen was pissed off talking shit about the crowd and city¥
And fall
You often make mention of quotes from Spokane newspapers. You must be from Spokane?
Nope from Canada
I'm also in Spokane. Thanks for the great videos!
@@Hemibuck95you’re welcome. I live pretty close to Washington though.
Eric left before tragic kingdom was being made.
No he left in late 1994 they were well into making the record according to his la times interview
gwen stefanie is doing great. she's with blake shelton dude you got blindfold on you didn't mention him really.
It was her Catholic background that made her passive?
It was her catholic background she blamed for her bad traits in an interview she gave
Stay up G. McNair 👑👊🏿
I liked No Doubt but once Gwen went solo she sucked
She ain't no hollaback girl.
@@RobbyRaccoon 😂🤣👍🏻✌🏼😊
@trance 🙄 do you have a record out? Are you famous? What do you do to make a living? Everyone is entitled to their opinion I get it. My mom always told me if you do not have anything. Nice to say. Say nothing. ✌🏼😊
@@yvettevitacaponigro artist should expect criticism. Just because you don't like it doesn't make your opinion any different than the next. Take a number
@@yvettevitacaponigro P. S. Actually I do have recording and writing credits how about you??
This is more of a money grab the whole Coachella thing I watched some videos put on UA-cam and the drummer kept looking down tony kanal would look down and off to the side of over to the drummer you got the vibe playing this for the money not where back
Unlikely Rise? Jimmy Iovine met Gwen & said “Keep working on your songs & your fashion - im going to make u famous in four years.” She had the backing of the most powerful music exec at the time. 😂
Well kroq told them it would take an act of God for them to get played and their label kept rejecting their songs for tragic kingdom…so I wouldn’t say it was easy and Gwen repeatedly in interviews and their other members expected their third record to fail
Tony Ferguson?? UFC lol
It’s sad that’s musician makes a way better living being a talent show celebrity judge than a recording/touring artist.
Agreed
Worst decision of her life was getting face surgery.
Yeah it looks really weird now
It’s the lip fillers. Her face looks ok otherwise. The overfilled lips with the tight facelift isn’t a good look.
As a 42 year old woman, I agree! It’s hard guys, there is lots of pressure not to age! Thankfully, my man is delighted with a natural face ❤
When I was a kid I wanted so badly to look like Gwen 😆
When I was teenager I hated Gavin because I wanted to be with Gwen lol
A good little pop band that was inspired by the British ska scene. Other than that, nothing more to say. Oh, I didn't like their cover of a Talk Talk song which was vastly superior to begin with.
I loved No Doubt. I absolutely despise Stefani’s post No Doubt pop trash music. That Bananas song makes me want to put an axe through the stereo 🤮
I know I hate that song too
I was glad to see Gwen get all the success in the world. Tragic Kingdom was a great album but all down hill after that so she made a tough choice, one that paid off for her.
@@Spooky_515 don’t get me wrong, I’m grateful for that too. In fact, I don’t harbor any ill will towards her for the career choices she’s made. She became a very successful solo artist and i absolutely acknowledge and applaud her for that. I’m simply not a fan of the musical style she veered into is all. I really loved her as the vocalist for No Doubt, they were fantastic and very unique
Jesus Christ that doesn’t even look like the same person.
They started in the ska-punk thing but imo they were never very good in that genre, and it's no wonder they had huge success moving away from that style in "Tragic Kingdom". I love ska-punk but their stuff wasn't that appealing to me unless they mixed it with other influences... which is their most well known trait.
Too bad about the botched botox.
18:25 No one does cultural appropiation like her anymore smh
"YO!! You guys all about Ska? You guys listen to Ska and Sh!t? THAT SH!T SUCKS! [likeifitsta] TERRIBLE!!! Like PHAWK!!!?" - Bam Margera