To explain a bit as a designer. There are three different elements to the implementation of vertical trees. 1.) To make the game more digestible to new people - instead of overwhelming them with dozens of different guns, attachments ammunition types, it's much easier to approach it the same way real military does - need to know basis and step-by-step. By "greying out" the items they don't need to concern themselves with it improves the flow of the interaction and makes the (already STEEP learning curve smoother a bit). That is the reason why camo/olive variants of guns are on a different rank then the base guns - it's just cosmetics, no need to create some illusion of choice. 2.) Gameplay flow progression, especially in early game and with relation to supplies. It's entirely fine for community servers (which can be gated) to allow for Heli's and Armored transports and similar high cost items to be freely accessible - as the people there, presumably, are much more communicative and willing to cooperate and think of the "good of the team". On public servers, the progression means that player has to invest themselves (and their time) into the match to be allowed with the expensive cool toys - so they hopefully care more about the effect their actions have on the game. Otherwise we would see people join in, spam armed Helis until bases run out of supplies and then switch server. It is no accident that Delivering supplies is one of the best ways to rank up quickly. 3.) There is also connection to future feature which I can't disclose yet because it's not ready (Wait for Klamacz to spoil that)
Can you watch his one spawn video as well? Please create an option for servers where you can't spawn in an area you died. There is a lot of us who just want spawns at main but I doubt it will be liked by majority. There should be an option and I think it will be so easy to implement
Have you ever considered a system of “allowance”, where depending on rank, depends on how much allowance you receive per unit time. (Say 50 supply/minute for pvt) How much allowance a player has saved up determines how many supplies they can spawn, if Pvt spawns in with 100 allowance, and is at a base with 1000 supplies, he can use 100 of that bases supplies to spawn vehicles and gear, until his allowance ticks over and grants him access to more resources. This would incentivise players to choose their gear carefully (not bring 10 million mags) and not waste vehicles/helis, as it, in effect, comes out of their own pockets, while still allowing logistics gameplay to have an affect on the match.
@@conflictreporter377 tell that to squad 😅 After how many years I still get people in my squad saying “I’m new to the game what is a FOB” and people not knowing what the push to talk button is
Good idea in theory, but that last like 5 mins! 😂…I think Seize and Secure version of Conflict has a short setup phase at the start of the match I think what we need is a better “squad” management and command system that incentivises players to better cooperate
problem with the armory is that people need to keep recreating their kit from game to game, server to server. They need to have local save system for loadout, and yes before you tell me I know ArmA 3 had the exact system in place with the ArmA Arsenal connected to your user profile. They should implement it in reforger to save players time re kitting which should also speed up the learning process of the fact that each item within your kit has a cost for the team.
Why don't they add that exp is a resource to along with supplies so you spend exp to get supplies this would make people be more careful how they spent exp and make people want exp more, so start game with exp , and your rank can still go up , but less requirements to me sergeant
On top of a server adding or removing mods and it just throws all 5 loadouts and I gotta miss on flights with the buddies cause all of my kits got erased
Yeah, the amount of people held up in the armory could make the difference between a game that feels dead or a game that is action packed. It needs to be faster to make a kit.
@@MARPHHH Only problem is arma reforger is most likely getting whats on its roadmap and that would be it. But in arma 4 they have already shown a t72, so most likely new vehicles and cool ones especially are only coming into arma 4.
Problem is, there is lot of players who are just dumb, greedy, or both, burning through supplies, so you cant really rely on team being reasonable in spending them. I mean, the current system isnt great, but at least you have to work to be able to spend. It would be best to have more of a time limit to spawn new assets, including small arms.
I think they should add a second layer to getting supplies, make exp a resource that you spend with alongside resources this would encourage doing objectives team play
Adding a time limit wouldn't be great, as people would just sit around and wait for the timer to run out so they can get what they want, having to play to unlock better, more expensive equipment is a way better option imo, but ofcourse still isn't perfect.
@@tweedy5892 depends how you play, I run with a standard AK/M16 most games, only addition is a suppressor.. Most of the time i keep it ironsights.. 7-8 mags. Good to go. Expensive doesn't mean better. Just means expensive.
The problem with the armory though isn’t people spiting other players by digging up the armory. It’s for the team’s well being. I’ve noticed that when a match has more players calling on the armory for their custom kits it diminishes supplies. Time is one issue but really the resources limit attaching power because then the side which invests into vehicles and gets to points faster wins.
Ideally also supplies would change into shipments. Each shipment would be 100 supplies. So you could have an explosives shipment (RPG’s, grenades, TNT, etc), a vehicle parts shipment, weapons shipment (guns), building materials etc.
I see a caracal video, I open straight away. Great inputs as always I hope Bohemia takes notice of some of the thoughts behind your videos it’s great to insights like this that nobody else thinks about. 👍
“The team agrees to X” will not work on a drop-in drop-out public server. Just making things expensive will absolutely lead to you own team screwing itself, like building an Armoury on round start. If there is a constant supply of new players, you will never get a good experience.
Yeah - Caracal is talking about the game as some sort of utopia where there are no selfish people, and the average IQ of the players increase over time to some amazing new highs That just isn’t the case. There’s a relatively low level of play that will be achieved in pub matches with experienced players leaving the game while new players come in. The game will stagnate there and never improve strategically in pubs. You see this in squad. This utopian discussion ignores the fact that game design informs player choice. If you remove rank limits on valuable items, you devalue the logistics needed to rank up quickly. The current system strongly encourages people to run logi so they can rank up and unlock the fancy vehicles. Remove this, and you’ll see FAR too many people spawning expensive vehicles at horrible moments and costing the team 180 spawns at that base (1800 supply at 10 supply per spawn).
@@TheOtherOtherAccount I think the rank restriction works fine as is.. only takes 2-3 bases captured to reach BTR levels, maybe a resupply here and there to get you from corporal to sergeant.. build up the bases you take and you get your required ranks.. people are too entitled and want everything without effort.. Arma isn't meant to be easy.. I usually enjoy his videos but this one sucked ass.. The suggestion made it sound more gamey than it already is..
Frankly, the issue comes down to a lack of ownership. Players blow loads of supplies on useless junk & abandon vehicles because they feel no ownership or responsibility over their entire team's supplies. Currently, there is no reason to feel responsible for assets such as weapons, equipment, or vehicles. In real-life, you are issued what you are issued, and take ownership over such assets. Ergo, you make them work until they completely fall apart. If your squad's HMMMV blows a tire-tough luck, you're replacing it. If your gun jams, you're fixing it. If players had some reason to feel ownership over their equipment, I feel it would create a much more realistic environment and solve supply drain.
But how can you do ownership? Best way to to lock certain weapons either behind high ranks or have a special class system that limits it and if you lose it someone else will have it and not you. Until they lose it but then tking will be a problem because people like to steal in games when they don’t have the powerful stuff.
@@Jord2123 Limit the amount they can spawn might be an idea. If a newbie spawns in, grabs a high cost loadout, spawn a transport, and drive it solo directly into combat and proceed to die right away? Well that's too bad you can't spawn another vehicle or that expensive loadout for 5 minutes. It'll force newbies to use default kits for awhile as punishment for wasting resources quickly.
@@Jord2123 Make them value their lives.. Arma's not a run & gun game.. You're not supposed to just be like 'oh well lets redeploy somewhere else cos the enemy is flanking us' you're meant to drive across the map or get on comms and get someone to give you a ride. It's not hell let loose or squad.. People are why things are gamey, not the game itself.
I think of a order system would work well here(with the highest ranking player responsible for ordering all equipment elected by the players team) For example the elected commander will select what equipment is available in the carpool. and he is responsible for managing the supply. The process can have a que system similar to RTS games where the commander can order stuff in bulk when supply is available.(This way the commander has some real control over his team by controling its supply line) If no player is elected commander the system returns to work as Normal. If a commander is elected players can request equipment that will require an approvel by the commander The commander can for example request a squad to attack a spacific location and it gets provided with some high grade equipment to be able to do the job. This system would also encourage more communication between squad leaders and the commander and potentially more squad play. Granted this would only work this way with the supply in the main base any supply that is transfered from the main base is free for the players to use as they see fit(the commander only controls the main base supply system)
Not good at all. This system is in hell let loose and if you played it you know it's crap. You got a single dictator deciding who gets what and when or if ever.
I have mixed feelings on this. I want heli’s and armor to be restricted because they cost a lot of supplies. I don’t think someone who’s in capable of ever reaching lieutenant should be able to spawn a 1k+ supply heli. I don’t really think armor spam will be an issue because you can’t effectively one man a BTR , heli spam will totally be an issue. And heli’s can effectively be one maned but are way harder then driving, so lower/no rank requirements mean thousands of supply will be wasted by noobs who don’t know how to fly and/or people using them as disposable transport like we do with other Vic’s. The tutorial is where you’re supposed to practice flying, not in conflict. I totally agree with the supply type thing. As you load up at a supply cache you should have to choose the mix like in squad. I know this would encourage me to only bring construction until every point we have is fully built up.
Been loving your videos lately man, I hope Bohemia Interactive watches your videos, especially with how insightful you are about the game, and how it could be moving in a better direction to further make it standout amongst other games instead of becoming an even more hardcore version of Squad if that makes sense, anyways keep up the great work man
I agree. They could very well dump the rank system all together. Or maybe that's the plan as soon as the high command feature is in. Who knows. The way you describe matches with different supplies sound super appealing to me. Haters will say the accessibility gets too low. I noticed comments becoming invisible, not necessarily on your channel. It's UA-cam 100%. I don't know why some comments just don't appear and I don't get the point, as generally those comments are not even offensive.
Digging up armories on the frontline is a great way to keep those points. If (when) the enemy will capture them, they won't be able to spawn that much of offensive-specialized geared up players. And for the defence, you don't really need a lot of gear, just the stock one and good reflexes. So it's not to deny your teammates from *fun*, it's to deny your enemy from winning. This is also a critical thing to do in a certain points on the map that are often contested.
I totally disagree. It’s a fun incentive to get you to run supply, transport troops, capture bases and help your team, I think it’s totally fine it only takes like 45 min of running supply to get major. It also keeps you interested and not bored.
Just a thought - in a previous video you were commending Reforger for its high detail and interactibility in game systems. I think it extends to social systems in the game. I can’t think of another game in this genre where there is more to teamwork except “stay as a group, engage enemy together”. The supply problem is an interesting dynamic, and the examples of hypothetical scenarios you discuss in this video shows how unique Reforger’s multiplayer gameplay is. Reforger might be the half life of milsim
I understand people dont want folks hitting the armory in the first 30 mins to an hour, but I usually just like to change my apparael which costs little to nothing to change. The only thing that costs a little bit is the upgraded 3B3 body armor which is essential.
I know it is less team oriented but I love the warlords system, I have spent maybe 200 hours playing vanilla warlords and getting credits per minute going to the individual just works well. If you were teaming up or had a good lobby you could pool your credits to buy jets and tanks or you could play solo and get your own stuff. I always played solo as CAS but whenever I was playing and saw the same Blackbeard I would spam credits to him because he was an insane pilot. I know warlord system goes against what they are trying to make but it honestly works really well for solo lobbies with random noobs who want are greedy and stupid
This has probably been commented already but the BRDM is a rather lack luster when it comes to horsepower and struggles just as bad as you'd expect with a 140hp gasoline V8.
This is good in theory but it would more so just end up with your team all fighting to spawn in helis/ top end vehicles right away and your team never having supplies. Unless your on a server where all the players want to work together as a team
I can’t help to go on an autistic rant. But it’s very frustrating when you see players straight up brag about saving 250+ loadouts, and always relying upon either well experienced players or a bunch of players in one place to do the heavy lifting. I believe this enables herd mentality. I can think of at least three reasons why this is bad for new players and old alike: 1) if a majority of one team (let’s say 15-20 players) is concentrated in one area, just a handful of players on the opposing team (or even less) can easily keep them there.. While the rest of the opposing team can quickly capture command outposts with little to no resistance from the other team. 2) this promotes new players to build other bad habits such as: Running blindly into a non promissive environment (because of the false security of having numbers of players pushing up) 3) jumping into another groups vehicle and making expecting them to go “ into the action”. This one especially aggravates me, when a group I’m in is trying to sneak behind enemy lines to cause chaos and potentially slow their progress. But you have some random 300 load out player not following their group, decides to tag along and argue to your group leader about why we need to go straight “into the action”. And if someone replies with: “I have a life, I can’t take the time to learn a game because meh patience”. Then this game is not for you and you just wasted your time trying to screw in a 3in penny nail with a screwdriver. Go play call of duty or whatever legacy fps is on sale. Now about high load outs. I can understand grenadiers. As a player who always plays on the US team. I can, take a 16 with the M203, optics isn’t a factor half the time, ditch the standard lbv and pasgt vest for the grenade vest, Load her up with x12 40mm DP/HE and 3 of each flare, m9 with two spare mags, and one extra tourniquet and morphine injector. Then take the rest of the gear out of the standard lbv and save with no more than 150 to 190. If I carry anymore than that, I can’t sprint. (Because that’s a lot of gear, herb ba derb.) But if you’re trying to run around with the arsenal on your back, then why don’t you just stay out of the way and be a group’s mule? Do you really need all that stuff for yourself? Get mad at me all you want, but if I ask you what all you’re carrying and I knock out you out and grab your pack then throw it in a trunk. Just know I will sell it all to a nearby arsenal. It triggers the tisms my dude ngl.
Nah i’ve dug down many, most nearly all og players dig down and funnily the new players are catching on and i’ve seen them now dig down arsenals at front mobs (more so arland) because the amount of times supplies are run to build the base up and they are all gone before you even get back. Then it repeats until you dig it down. Other new players are starting to understand this a are now as you say ‘punishing’ their other fellow new players. There are a few stubborn players who i’ve seen with 200+ kits and as much as you tell then nicely they are burning supplies for everyone they don’t care and just carry on. Its literally became a server agreement to dig down unwanted arsenals. I seen people try build 3 at a base before not only wasting supps with kit but with copy cat arsenals. Sadly the influx in new players compared to og players atm is wild so a lot of these new players have been playing for weeks and not learnt anything because they are following the other ps5 player who also doesn’t know what they are doing. I’ve helped many but there are loads of players who tk you, swear, rude etc when you try help them with the game. So i don’t and others don’t have patience with these people
I really like the ideas presented in the video. The game is huge and can feel overwhelming for new players, but the beauty of modding is that we can try out new concepts and actually integrate them. One example would be to increase the cost of vehicles while making repairs and maintenance cheaper. This is allready the case but tbh it could be a litte bit more extreme to showcase the importants of vehicles on the battlefield. I hate the fact that one single guy spawns in a vehicle and wastes it in the next minute. To give ranks more significance, we could limit the resources you can spend on equipment and weapons. As you move up in rank, you’d be able to allocate more points toward better gear or spawn higher-value vehicles, NPCs, or even a helicopter. Something that is allready implemented but not that detailed. On top of that, supply runs could become a quick way for lower-ranked players to level up. Once you reach, say, rank 3, the progression gained from supply runs could decrease, while capturing bases and marking objectives on the map grants more points. This would encourage new recruits to handle the “busy work” and still feel like they’re making a real contribution. It also spares them from diving into high-stakes combat right away, especially if they’re unfamiliar with the server or the overall battle structure. Just some ideas. But tbh. I wouldnt change to much right now - I believe Bohemia is still working on this economie part, because they introduce the commander role. And im curious if its somekind of gamemaster view over the battlefield when you play as a commander. That could be very awesome with somekind of fog of war and what not :D
i like unlocking these things with time in the game.. but maybe it should be made faction wide, so the faction has to do "research" to unlock higher tier equipment
5:55 this used to be the case, we would spawn at the ports and move to the middle, they changed it because of low player counts. They really should change it back now with the influx of players.
I think progressively earning points throughout a match is a good idea, If I do well enough and earn enough points by being an effective teammate then you have enough points to spawn a BTR. Kinda like spawning in an attack jet during ground battles in War Thunder. IDK just an idea, it would have to be well balenced and easy enough.
One of the biggest things that should be done is making an rpg or at rocket take your primary weapon. As well as possibly reducing selective area of effect inside the vehicle.
once again another banger caracal horizontal progression all the way my creativity on how i use assests or get resources to aquire them should be limiting factor not how long i have been on a server (or how long the server lived before crash or mission end)
At the start, everything a company historically had is loaded into the harbor. Nothing else is brought in for the whole match. Nothing de-spawns either. FIA weapons can also be found. Local vehicles do not respawn. When ammo runs out, it's bayonet charge time. Have fun.
6:05 Here I would want to see them adding some cargo helicopters for longer-distance transport; that's would be pretty expensive (somewhere between transport and CAS) and also armored vehicles armor are so bad that is really easy to destroy them or just eliminate the crew
I’ve been saying for about a year that they should try out the ability to. only be allowed to spawn on coastal bases. I think this is the most realistic anyways.
Rank trees and economy based gates have been there ever since Warfare in ArmA 1 which "Conflict" is based on. It's a proven standard and game factor in ArmA. It's also a balancing factor and driver in progression. While you maybe new to ArmA, Warfare CTI and other strategic game modes worked well with the tech tree. Other game modes like Domination, Evolution, and others with rank structures were well proven. Trust, if used by the scenario designer correctly there's a good balance. This comes from a scenario designer that has built many balanced scenarios for ArmA and successful communities in the past.
Dont drive on roads, plan your route in advance to avoid obvious ambushes and areas where the enemy are likely to intercept you as you approach, take a circuitous route towards the target that the enemy will be unlikely to anticipate, dismount troops away from the target, if you are using a vehicle with a weapon park it atleast 300m away from the target and fire from that position, dont drive with lights on at night, if you absolutely must enter an area quickly gain as much speed as you can then put the vehicle in neutral and turn off the engine so you can approach relatively quietly for the last 200m or so. Any of these tactics will reduce the likelihood of losing a vehicle in combat.
You overestimate people, if rank requirements were removed and large vehicles were available from the start, hordes of console gamers would spawn BTRs and LAVs and just throw them at the enemy without infantry support. And they won't learn anything from it because if they got bored they could just hop on another server and repeat the process. People already do that with their loadouts, I often kill people and find they have an M60, M21 and 10 boxes of ammo in their backpack, and no one ever seems to learn because it keeps happening all the time
Trust me - if we take squad as an example, where we constantly have a brain drain of experienced players leaving while new ones join, you do NOT want to design things around some imaginary future where the Reforger players all (on average) learn the mechanics enough to stop wasting supplies on the front. New players building an armoury on the front line is a great way to sink the match - IMO the armoury building should be locked to Corporal or something. You also seem to lean on this ethereal “realism” where you want people free to do what they want how they want - but that just isn’t “realistic” at all. An individual choosing to bankrupt a FOB for their personal hedonic pleasures isn’t exactly how the military works. A ranking system that unlocks better and better equipment feels far more grounded. Need to have some authority in order to control budgets and requisition gear - the game is just emulating a sense of that. And, it helps balance out the game - keeping an emphasis on infantry + some combined arms.
Your take is only valid if you got into some perfect server where everyone has a mic and talks to each other and works together to decide what to do. In reality that’s fantasy which is why you need the verticle progression
If my experience with BI's sister title DayZ is anything to go off then I can assure you it's all love, both games deserve to be so much more than they are (even with their success)
The suggestion to make your supply worse if the enemy is doing well will just make every game snowball very quickly I think you have a lot of good suggestions, but I feel like it would be better to not go about it all just to have the most "realistic" experience Also I think your videos could really use a bit more structure, don't start them with the video title being an implicit first sentence and don't just cut off at the end
it makes 0 sense how the tech trees are done, this vehicles die by 1 rocket of rpg, why are they so expensive in rank? and does arma devs forget that we get so limited xp? We need more vehicles to this to work out
if teenagers waste supply, then this system is okay if it prevent them from doing it...... we need to be realistic here, there is not friendly envrionment that can make any troll that used to play COD and PUBG to come to conclusion that he will discipline himself in order to please veterans, you're living in a dream...... trolls are trolls, one or two can make hell for sixty other players, rules are necessary to make the game more enjoyable, more realistic.... period
Hello ladys and gals im on ps5 and im pretty sure every match on official my rank resets but i could be wrong ill be checking and ill comment back later
If the rank system is about filtering out unexperienced or non productive players, wouldn't a global system be better? If you are an experienced player who has not many kicks/bans etc., why should you start over every time a new round starts?
So its fair for everyone, gta is a great example. Would you like to start as a fresh gta player rn? Probs not because most players will be level 500+ and you’ll be spending most of the game avoiding vehicles and players with weapons you can’t deal with. Then it makes you feel weak as you’ll probably get abused looking at high level the wrong way and you wont want to play because you so far behind. Same goes for this game, why would people want to play if they are 2 years behind most other players (i.e. xbox and pc). In-match ranking system is fair as it also punishes OG players who cba doing much. I’ve seen players spend nearly the whole game waiting at the heli pad just to fly and thats it. They never venture out the base unless they are in a heli and half the time they are back there within minutes of leaving and when the timer starts they are still there but at least at the start they helped because they had to get their rank somehow.
Dont really love the idea of certain people being able to spawn an attack helicopter the second supplies are available at the start of a match while other people are unable to even use a rpg.
Absolutely nothing wrong with vertical trees dude. I like Reforger because early game is different from late game and in late game you have totally different gameplay. Every player who played a bit of RTS knows this already, you dont just shove everything right at the start. But blind fanboys will follow your opinion anyways. Sad, very sad.
Na they need to make loudouts only available for corporals, it will fix the whole supply problem at the start, USA always loses because of it. All the seasoned players go russia
If new players want to try new things.. do it offline like you are supposed to.. there is nothing positive from new players joining and ruining the game off the bat.. people deleting the arsenal IS THE LEARNING EXPERIENCE. You dont need a 500 supp kit 30 seconds into the game. Every. Single. Console server i joined recently has been a shit show.. there is no learning going on its iust a cod troll fest on large map
I love it because it stops people just grabbing whatever whenever. Plus rockets might be getting locked behind a rank. This gives you incentive to learn the game by earning xp which you can only earn certain ways. Capping earns the most so gives the incentive to go cap a base, then its supply runs (this makes people run supplies) and that’s matched with veteran xp (for staying alive and completing objectives you earn about the same as 1 supply run). Finally killing gives you xp but it’s not a lot and same goes for building. Also going back to rockets, now rpgs will be locked behind rank vehicles might actually survive a little longer making the expensive price for them seem a little less harsh. If you go in a game rn i bet you’ll fly a heli or drive near a russian base as 5 to 6 rpgs each with another 2-5 rockets in backpacks fire non stop at you. Its not very realistic for a milsim. There’s a reason nearly all other milsims limit the amount of AT allowed per squad.
@@Jord2123 Yes, but you need to farm everything every time - it gets very tedious if you want to do something more complex and interesting instead of farming ranks
Its been this way since Arma 1 the point of it is to slow the game down if we all had Arma from the start the miasion would be to easy and shit ,lol you try get the hole team to agree on what to spend suppys on mewhile everyone is getting guns and by the time u mess about trying to get evenyone to buy 1 thin lol good luck bro 😂😂 slund to me ypu are playing with the wrong people or server
To explain a bit as a designer.
There are three different elements to the implementation of vertical trees.
1.) To make the game more digestible to new people - instead of overwhelming them with dozens of different guns, attachments ammunition types, it's much easier to approach it the same way real military does - need to know basis and step-by-step. By "greying out" the items they don't need to concern themselves with it improves the flow of the interaction and makes the (already STEEP learning curve smoother a bit). That is the reason why camo/olive variants of guns are on a different rank then the base guns - it's just cosmetics, no need to create some illusion of choice.
2.) Gameplay flow progression, especially in early game and with relation to supplies. It's entirely fine for community servers (which can be gated) to allow for Heli's and Armored transports and similar high cost items to be freely accessible - as the people there, presumably, are much more communicative and willing to cooperate and think of the "good of the team".
On public servers, the progression means that player has to invest themselves (and their time) into the match to be allowed with the expensive cool toys - so they hopefully care more about the effect their actions have on the game. Otherwise we would see people join in, spam armed Helis until bases run out of supplies and then switch server.
It is no accident that Delivering supplies is one of the best ways to rank up quickly.
3.) There is also connection to future feature which I can't disclose yet because it's not ready (Wait for Klamacz to spoil that)
Can you watch his one spawn video as well? Please create an option for servers where you can't spawn in an area you died. There is a lot of us who just want spawns at main but I doubt it will be liked by majority. There should be an option and I think it will be so easy to implement
Have you ever considered a system of “allowance”, where depending on rank, depends on how much allowance you receive per unit time. (Say 50 supply/minute for pvt)
How much allowance a player has saved up determines how many supplies they can spawn, if Pvt spawns in with 100 allowance, and is at a base with 1000 supplies, he can use 100 of that bases supplies to spawn vehicles and gear, until his allowance ticks over and grants him access to more resources.
This would incentivise players to choose their gear carefully (not bring 10 million mags) and not waste vehicles/helis, as it, in effect, comes out of their own pockets, while still allowing logistics gameplay to have an affect on the match.
@@catfunt5583 I think after a while people will learn and there won't be as many begginers. So I would say don't put any restrictions at all
@@conflictreporter377 tell that to squad 😅
After how many years I still get people in my squad saying “I’m new to the game what is a FOB” and people not knowing what the push to talk button is
@@conflictreporter377 I've seen all Caracal's Arma videos to date I believe.
a pre game staging phase where squads can fill with players, plan be drawn out, and starter vehicles voted on would be an awesome addition
That's actually a really good idea because it would also be like a teething phase where the team can figure out who the trolls are and just boot them
Bro that's an awesome idea. The random chaos at the start is so annoying
Good idea in theory, but that last like 5 mins! 😂…I think Seize and Secure version of Conflict has a short setup phase at the start of the match
I think what we need is a better “squad” management and command system that incentivises players to better cooperate
Arma isn't squad, don't try to make it into Squad...
@Twizted86 yeeee lets keep it dysfunctional mess yeeeee
problem with the armory is that people need to keep recreating their kit from game to game, server to server. They need to have local save system for loadout, and yes before you tell me I know ArmA 3 had the exact system in place with the ArmA Arsenal connected to your user profile. They should implement it in reforger to save players time re kitting which should also speed up the learning process of the fact that each item within your kit has a cost for the team.
Why don't they add that exp is a resource to along with supplies so you spend exp to get supplies this would make people be more careful how they spent exp and make people want exp more, so start game with exp , and your rank can still go up , but less requirements to me sergeant
On top of a server adding or removing mods and it just throws all 5 loadouts and I gotta miss on flights with the buddies cause all of my kits got erased
Yeah, the amount of people held up in the armory could make the difference between a game that feels dead or a game that is action packed. It needs to be faster to make a kit.
Im sick of making a kit every game it sucks
Your whole comment is redundant.
Arma reforger isn't a game.
Is a springboard for modders for Arma 4
Nothing else.
I wish we would still get vehicles like : BMP-1, MTLB and an M113
these are exactly the vehicles that would benefit the game the most. M113 would also be very nice for logistic runs, being slightly armored.
Only in Arma 4 i guess, there is no logic system in Reforger for tracked vehicles
@@MARPHHH Only problem is arma reforger is most likely getting whats on its roadmap and that would be it. But in arma 4 they have already shown a t72, so most likely new vehicles and cool ones especially are only coming into arma 4.
@RustyBear there is a bmp 1 in the multiplayer image
@nolancoburn6391 that was the plan up until arma 4 was announced to come in 2027, so likely they will update arma reforger while working on arma 4
Problem is, there is lot of players who are just dumb, greedy, or both, burning through supplies, so you cant really rely on team being reasonable in spending them.
I mean, the current system isnt great, but at least you have to work to be able to spend.
It would be best to have more of a time limit to spawn new assets, including small arms.
I think they should add a second layer to getting supplies, make exp a resource that you spend with alongside resources this would encourage doing objectives team play
Adding a time limit wouldn't be great, as people would just sit around and wait for the timer to run out so they can get what they want, having to play to unlock better, more expensive equipment is a way better option imo, but ofcourse still isn't perfect.
@@tweedy5892 depends how you play, I run with a standard AK/M16 most games, only addition is a suppressor.. Most of the time i keep it ironsights.. 7-8 mags. Good to go. Expensive doesn't mean better. Just means expensive.
@@tweedy5892 or maybe a system like battlefront, where you have to earn points doing other stuff which you can spend on assets
@@Twizted86 Yeah, but not everybody plays like that.
The problem with the armory though isn’t people spiting other players by digging up the armory. It’s for the team’s well being. I’ve noticed that when a match has more players calling on the armory for their custom kits it diminishes supplies. Time is one issue but really the resources limit attaching power because then the side which invests into vehicles and gets to points faster wins.
The official servers player count is pitifully low for such large maps
I'm new but I was pleasantly surprised at how well low pop played
I don't know why my first thought was "tf are they doing to the foliage now"
Ideally also supplies would change into shipments. Each shipment would be 100 supplies. So you could have an explosives shipment (RPG’s, grenades, TNT, etc), a vehicle parts shipment, weapons shipment (guns), building materials etc.
I see a caracal video, I open straight away. Great inputs as always I hope Bohemia takes notice of some of the thoughts behind your videos it’s great to insights like this that nobody else thinks about. 👍
“The team agrees to X” will not work on a drop-in drop-out public server. Just making things expensive will absolutely lead to you own team screwing itself, like building an Armoury on round start. If there is a constant supply of new players, you will never get a good experience.
Yeah - Caracal is talking about the game as some sort of utopia where there are no selfish people, and the average IQ of the players increase over time to some amazing new highs
That just isn’t the case. There’s a relatively low level of play that will be achieved in pub matches with experienced players leaving the game while new players come in. The game will stagnate there and never improve strategically in pubs. You see this in squad.
This utopian discussion ignores the fact that game design informs player choice. If you remove rank limits on valuable items, you devalue the logistics needed to rank up quickly.
The current system strongly encourages people to run logi so they can rank up and unlock the fancy vehicles.
Remove this, and you’ll see FAR too many people spawning expensive vehicles at horrible moments and costing the team 180 spawns at that base (1800 supply at 10 supply per spawn).
@@TheOtherOtherAccount I think the rank restriction works fine as is.. only takes 2-3 bases captured to reach BTR levels, maybe a resupply here and there to get you from corporal to sergeant.. build up the bases you take and you get your required ranks.. people are too entitled and want everything without effort.. Arma isn't meant to be easy.. I usually enjoy his videos but this one sucked ass.. The suggestion made it sound more gamey than it already is..
Frankly, the issue comes down to a lack of ownership. Players blow loads of supplies on useless junk & abandon vehicles because they feel no ownership or responsibility over their entire team's supplies. Currently, there is no reason to feel responsible for assets such as weapons, equipment, or vehicles.
In real-life, you are issued what you are issued, and take ownership over such assets. Ergo, you make them work until they completely fall apart. If your squad's HMMMV blows a tire-tough luck, you're replacing it. If your gun jams, you're fixing it. If players had some reason to feel ownership over their equipment, I feel it would create a much more realistic environment and solve supply drain.
But how can you do ownership? Best way to to lock certain weapons either behind high ranks or have a special class system that limits it and if you lose it someone else will have it and not you. Until they lose it but then tking will be a problem because people like to steal in games when they don’t have the powerful stuff.
@@Jord2123 Limit the amount they can spawn might be an idea. If a newbie spawns in, grabs a high cost loadout, spawn a transport, and drive it solo directly into combat and proceed to die right away? Well that's too bad you can't spawn another vehicle or that expensive loadout for 5 minutes. It'll force newbies to use default kits for awhile as punishment for wasting resources quickly.
@@Jord2123 Make them value their lives.. Arma's not a run & gun game.. You're not supposed to just be like 'oh well lets redeploy somewhere else cos the enemy is flanking us' you're meant to drive across the map or get on comms and get someone to give you a ride. It's not hell let loose or squad.. People are why things are gamey, not the game itself.
I think of a order system would work well here(with the highest ranking player responsible for ordering all equipment elected by the players team)
For example the elected commander will select what equipment is available in the carpool. and he is responsible for managing the supply. The process can have a que system similar to RTS games where the commander can order stuff in bulk when supply is available.(This way the commander has some real control over his team by controling its supply line)
If no player is elected commander the system returns to work as Normal.
If a commander is elected players can request equipment that will require an approvel by the commander
The commander can for example request a squad to attack a spacific location and it gets provided with some high grade equipment to be able to do the job.
This system would also encourage more communication between squad leaders and the commander and potentially more squad play.
Granted this would only work this way with the supply in the main base any supply that is transfered from the main base is free for the players to use as they see fit(the commander only controls the main base supply system)
Sounds like the best system.
Not good at all. This system is in hell let loose and if you played it you know it's crap. You got a single dictator deciding who gets what and when or if ever.
I agree with this strongly! I am a capable tanker and pilot but i have to slog through the ranks to access anything good
I have mixed feelings on this.
I want heli’s and armor to be restricted because they cost a lot of supplies. I don’t think someone who’s in capable of ever reaching lieutenant should be able to spawn a 1k+ supply heli.
I don’t really think armor spam will be an issue because you can’t effectively one man a BTR , heli spam will totally be an issue. And heli’s can effectively be one maned but are way harder then driving, so lower/no rank requirements mean thousands of supply will be wasted by noobs who don’t know how to fly and/or people using them as disposable transport like we do with other Vic’s.
The tutorial is where you’re supposed to practice flying, not in conflict.
I totally agree with the supply type thing. As you load up at a supply cache you should have to choose the mix like in squad. I know this would encourage me to only bring construction until every point we have is fully built up.
Been loving your videos lately man, I hope Bohemia Interactive watches your videos, especially with how insightful you are about the game, and how it could be moving in a better direction to further make it standout amongst other games instead of becoming an even more hardcore version of Squad if that makes sense, anyways keep up the great work man
I agree. They could very well dump the rank system all together. Or maybe that's the plan as soon as the high command feature is in. Who knows.
The way you describe matches with different supplies sound super appealing to me. Haters will say the accessibility gets too low.
I noticed comments becoming invisible, not necessarily on your channel. It's UA-cam 100%. I don't know why some comments just don't appear and I don't get the point, as generally those comments are not even offensive.
Digging up armories on the frontline is a great way to keep those points. If (when) the enemy will capture them, they won't be able to spawn that much of offensive-specialized geared up players. And for the defence, you don't really need a lot of gear, just the stock one and good reflexes.
So it's not to deny your teammates from *fun*, it's to deny your enemy from winning.
This is also a critical thing to do in a certain points on the map that are often contested.
I totally disagree. It’s a fun incentive to get you to run supply, transport troops, capture bases and help your team, I think it’s totally fine it only takes like 45 min of running supply to get major. It also keeps you interested and not bored.
Just a thought - in a previous video you were commending Reforger for its high detail and interactibility in game systems. I think it extends to social systems in the game. I can’t think of another game in this genre where there is more to teamwork except “stay as a group, engage enemy together”. The supply problem is an interesting dynamic, and the examples of hypothetical scenarios you discuss in this video shows how unique Reforger’s multiplayer gameplay is. Reforger might be the half life of milsim
I understand people dont want folks hitting the armory in the first 30 mins to an hour, but I usually just like to change my apparael which costs little to nothing to change. The only thing that costs a little bit is the upgraded 3B3 body armor which is essential.
I know it is less team oriented but I love the warlords system, I have spent maybe 200 hours playing vanilla warlords and getting credits per minute going to the individual just works well. If you were teaming up or had a good lobby you could pool your credits to buy jets and tanks or you could play solo and get your own stuff. I always played solo as CAS but whenever I was playing and saw the same Blackbeard I would spam credits to him because he was an insane pilot. I know warlord system goes against what they are trying to make but it honestly works really well for solo lobbies with random noobs who want are greedy and stupid
The problem with horizontal trees is that everyone will be using all the resources to do what they want
The teamkilling at the start of every single game 😮💨😩
This has probably been commented already but the BRDM is a rather lack luster when it comes to horsepower and struggles just as bad as you'd expect with a 140hp gasoline V8.
This is good in theory but it would more so just end up with your team all fighting to spawn in helis/ top end vehicles right away and your team never having supplies.
Unless your on a server where all the players want to work together as a team
I can’t help to go on an autistic rant. But it’s very frustrating when you see players straight up brag about saving 250+ loadouts, and always relying upon either well experienced players or a bunch of players in one place to do the heavy lifting.
I believe this enables herd mentality. I can think of at least three reasons why this is bad for new players and old alike:
1) if a majority of one team (let’s say 15-20 players) is concentrated in one area, just a handful of players on the opposing team (or even less) can easily keep them there.. While the rest of the opposing team can quickly capture command outposts with little to no resistance from the other team.
2) this promotes new players to build other bad habits such as: Running blindly into a non promissive environment (because of the false security of having numbers of players pushing up)
3) jumping into another groups vehicle and making expecting them to go “ into the action”. This one especially aggravates me, when a group I’m in is trying to sneak behind enemy lines to cause chaos and potentially slow their progress. But you have some random 300 load out player not following their group, decides to tag along and argue to your group leader about why we need to go straight “into the action”.
And if someone replies with: “I have a life, I can’t take the time to learn a game because meh patience”. Then this game is not for you and you just wasted your time trying to screw in a 3in penny nail with a screwdriver. Go play call of duty or whatever legacy fps is on sale.
Now about high load outs. I can understand grenadiers. As a player who always plays on the US team. I can, take a 16 with the M203, optics isn’t a factor half the time, ditch the standard lbv and pasgt vest for the grenade vest, Load her up with x12 40mm DP/HE and 3 of each flare, m9 with two spare mags, and one extra tourniquet and morphine injector. Then take the rest of the gear out of the standard lbv and save with no more than 150 to 190. If I carry anymore than that, I can’t sprint. (Because that’s a lot of gear, herb ba derb.) But if you’re trying to run around with the arsenal on your back, then why don’t you just stay out of the way and be a group’s mule? Do you really need all that stuff for yourself? Get mad at me all you want, but if I ask you what all you’re carrying and I knock out you out and grab your pack then throw it in a trunk. Just know I will sell it all to a nearby arsenal. It triggers the tisms my dude ngl.
Nah i’ve dug down many, most nearly all og players dig down and funnily the new players are catching on and i’ve seen them now dig down arsenals at front mobs (more so arland) because the amount of times supplies are run to build the base up and they are all gone before you even get back. Then it repeats until you dig it down. Other new players are starting to understand this a are now as you say ‘punishing’ their other fellow new players. There are a few stubborn players who i’ve seen with 200+ kits and as much as you tell then nicely they are burning supplies for everyone they don’t care and just carry on. Its literally became a server agreement to dig down unwanted arsenals. I seen people try build 3 at a base before not only wasting supps with kit but with copy cat arsenals. Sadly the influx in new players compared to og players atm is wild so a lot of these new players have been playing for weeks and not learnt anything because they are following the other ps5 player who also doesn’t know what they are doing. I’ve helped many but there are loads of players who tk you, swear, rude etc when you try help them with the game. So i don’t and others don’t have patience with these people
I really like the ideas presented in the video. The game is huge and can feel overwhelming for new players, but the beauty of modding is that we can try out new concepts and actually integrate them. One example would be to increase the cost of vehicles while making repairs and maintenance cheaper. This is allready the case but tbh it could be a litte bit more extreme to showcase the importants of vehicles on the battlefield. I hate the fact that one single guy spawns in a vehicle and wastes it in the next minute.
To give ranks more significance, we could limit the resources you can spend on equipment and weapons. As you move up in rank, you’d be able to allocate more points toward better gear or spawn higher-value vehicles, NPCs, or even a helicopter. Something that is allready implemented but not that detailed.
On top of that, supply runs could become a quick way for lower-ranked players to level up. Once you reach, say, rank 3, the progression gained from supply runs could decrease, while capturing bases and marking objectives on the map grants more points. This would encourage new recruits to handle the “busy work” and still feel like they’re making a real contribution. It also spares them from diving into high-stakes combat right away, especially if they’re unfamiliar with the server or the overall battle structure.
Just some ideas. But tbh. I wouldnt change to much right now - I believe Bohemia is still working on this economie part, because they introduce the commander role. And im curious if its somekind of gamemaster view over the battlefield when you play as a commander. That could be very awesome with somekind of fog of war and what not :D
i like unlocking these things with time in the game.. but maybe it should be made faction wide, so the faction has to do "research" to unlock higher tier equipment
5:55 this used to be the case, we would spawn at the ports and move to the middle, they changed it because of low player counts. They really should change it back now with the influx of players.
I think progressively earning points throughout a match is a good idea, If I do well enough and earn enough points by being an effective teammate then you have enough points to spawn a BTR. Kinda like spawning in an attack jet during ground battles in War Thunder. IDK just an idea, it would have to be well balenced and easy enough.
Really would love tracked vics.
Major is the highest and you don't even unlock anything for hitting that rank
Do you plan on making mod reviews someday?
One of the biggest things that should be done is making an rpg or at rocket take your primary weapon. As well as possibly reducing selective area of effect inside the vehicle.
once again another banger caracal horizontal progression all the way my creativity on how i use assests or get resources to aquire them should be limiting factor not how long i have been on a server (or how long the server lived before crash or mission end)
We need Eden editor and leave it to mission makers to decide.
At the start, everything a company historically had is loaded into the harbor. Nothing else is brought in for the whole match. Nothing de-spawns either. FIA weapons can also be found. Local vehicles do not respawn. When ammo runs out, it's bayonet charge time. Have fun.
6:05 Here I would want to see them adding some cargo helicopters for longer-distance transport; that's would be pretty expensive (somewhere between transport and CAS) and also armored vehicles armor are so bad that is really easy to destroy them or just eliminate the crew
I’ve been saying for about a year that they should try out the ability to. only be allowed to spawn on coastal bases. I think this is the most realistic anyways.
Rank trees and economy based gates have been there ever since Warfare in ArmA 1 which "Conflict" is based on. It's a proven standard and game factor in ArmA. It's also a balancing factor and driver in progression. While you maybe new to ArmA, Warfare CTI and other strategic game modes worked well with the tech tree. Other game modes like Domination, Evolution, and others with rank structures were well proven. Trust, if used by the scenario designer correctly there's a good balance. This comes from a scenario designer that has built many balanced scenarios for ArmA and successful communities in the past.
Ranks aren't hard to attain. It's fine how it is.
Rpg is OP in the game. Too accurate and too reliable
Why i should do this? Vehicles are so weak everyone waring 5 ATs in backpack or 4 RPG where you can 1shot crew inside. Vehicles are useless
@@PlayerONeSVK No shit, light vehicles have light armor. They are designed to work with combined arms doctrine, not solo.
Dont drive on roads, plan your route in advance to avoid obvious ambushes and areas where the enemy are likely to intercept you as you approach, take a circuitous route towards the target that the enemy will be unlikely to anticipate, dismount troops away from the target, if you are using a vehicle with a weapon park it atleast 300m away from the target and fire from that position, dont drive with lights on at night, if you absolutely must enter an area quickly gain as much speed as you can then put the vehicle in neutral and turn off the engine so you can approach relatively quietly for the last 200m or so. Any of these tactics will reduce the likelihood of losing a vehicle in combat.
You overestimate people, if rank requirements were removed and large vehicles were available from the start, hordes of console gamers would spawn BTRs and LAVs and just throw them at the enemy without infantry support. And they won't learn anything from it because if they got bored they could just hop on another server and repeat the process. People already do that with their loadouts, I often kill people and find they have an M60, M21 and 10 boxes of ammo in their backpack, and no one ever seems to learn because it keeps happening all the time
its LT to get the bdrm CPT to get the lav
Remember when we bought games that had all the weapons and didn't need updates 😂
Trust me - if we take squad as an example, where we constantly have a brain drain of experienced players leaving while new ones join, you do NOT want to design things around some imaginary future where the Reforger players all (on average) learn the mechanics enough to stop wasting supplies on the front.
New players building an armoury on the front line is a great way to sink the match - IMO the armoury building should be locked to Corporal or something.
You also seem to lean on this ethereal “realism” where you want people free to do what they want how they want - but that just isn’t “realistic” at all.
An individual choosing to bankrupt a FOB for their personal hedonic pleasures isn’t exactly how the military works. A ranking system that unlocks better and better equipment feels far more grounded. Need to have some authority in order to control budgets and requisition gear - the game is just emulating a sense of that. And, it helps balance out the game - keeping an emphasis on infantry + some combined arms.
Getting xp isn’t hard though, you can solo cap 2 bases from the ai and just get what you want after 15 minutes
i though they would add the brdm to be like the Humvee and be corporal
Your take is only valid if you got into some perfect server where everyone has a mic and talks to each other and works together to decide what to do. In reality that’s fantasy which is why you need the verticle progression
I can't decide if the video creator loves or hates this game. New video often, but almsot always hating on it for things I wouldn't even notice lol
If my experience with BI's sister title DayZ is anything to go off then I can assure you it's all love, both games deserve to be so much more than they are (even with their success)
The suggestion to make your supply worse if the enemy is doing well will just make every game snowball very quickly
I think you have a lot of good suggestions, but I feel like it would be better to not go about it all just to have the most "realistic" experience
Also I think your videos could really use a bit more structure, don't start them with the video title being an implicit first sentence and don't just cut off at the end
it makes 0 sense how the tech trees are done, this vehicles die by 1 rocket of rpg, why are they so expensive in rank? and does arma devs forget that we get so limited xp?
We need more vehicles to this to work out
So instead u want people to be able to mass spam these vics
If you dont like it get in the editor ,simple 😂
if teenagers waste supply, then this system is okay if it prevent them from doing it...... we need to be realistic here, there is not friendly envrionment that can make any troll that used to play COD and PUBG to come to conclusion that he will discipline himself in order to please veterans, you're living in a dream...... trolls are trolls, one or two can make hell for sixty other players, rules are necessary to make the game more enjoyable, more realistic.... period
Hello ladys and gals im on ps5 and im pretty sure every match on official my rank resets but i could be wrong ill be checking and ill comment back later
Yes it resets each match
If the rank system is about filtering out unexperienced or non productive players, wouldn't a global system be better? If you are an experienced player who has not many kicks/bans etc., why should you start over every time a new round starts?
So its fair for everyone, gta is a great example. Would you like to start as a fresh gta player rn? Probs not because most players will be level 500+ and you’ll be spending most of the game avoiding vehicles and players with weapons you can’t deal with. Then it makes you feel weak as you’ll probably get abused looking at high level the wrong way and you wont want to play because you so far behind. Same goes for this game, why would people want to play if they are 2 years behind most other players (i.e. xbox and pc). In-match ranking system is fair as it also punishes OG players who cba doing much. I’ve seen players spend nearly the whole game waiting at the heli pad just to fly and thats it. They never venture out the base unless they are in a heli and half the time they are back there within minutes of leaving and when the timer starts they are still there but at least at the start they helped because they had to get their rank somehow.
Dont really love the idea of certain people being able to spawn an attack helicopter the second supplies are available at the start of a match while other people are unable to even use a rpg.
Absolutely nothing wrong with vertical trees dude. I like Reforger because early game is different from late game and in late game you have totally different gameplay. Every player who played a bit of RTS knows this already, you dont just shove everything right at the start. But blind fanboys will follow your opinion anyways. Sad, very sad.
Also absolutely nothing wrong with opinions
Na they need to make loudouts only available for corporals, it will fix the whole supply problem at the start, USA always loses because of it. All the seasoned players go russia
If new players want to try new things.. do it offline like you are supposed to.. there is nothing positive from new players joining and ruining the game off the bat.. people deleting the arsenal IS THE LEARNING EXPERIENCE. You dont need a 500 supp kit 30 seconds into the game.
Every. Single. Console server i joined recently has been a shit show.. there is no learning going on its iust a cod troll fest on large map
I dont like that eather tek trees are shit i just come out of war thunder before i ghoth arma its agonising at moments
I hate rank system
I love it because it stops people just grabbing whatever whenever. Plus rockets might be getting locked behind a rank. This gives you incentive to learn the game by earning xp which you can only earn certain ways. Capping earns the most so gives the incentive to go cap a base, then its supply runs (this makes people run supplies) and that’s matched with veteran xp (for staying alive and completing objectives you earn about the same as 1 supply run). Finally killing gives you xp but it’s not a lot and same goes for building. Also going back to rockets, now rpgs will be locked behind rank vehicles might actually survive a little longer making the expensive price for them seem a little less harsh. If you go in a game rn i bet you’ll fly a heli or drive near a russian base as 5 to 6 rpgs each with another 2-5 rockets in backpacks fire non stop at you. Its not very realistic for a milsim. There’s a reason nearly all other milsims limit the amount of AT allowed per squad.
@@Jord2123 Yes, but you need to farm everything every time - it gets very tedious if you want to do something more complex and interesting instead of farming ranks
Its been this way since Arma 1 the point of it is to slow the game down if we all had Arma from the start the miasion would be to easy and shit ,lol you try get the hole team to agree on what to spend suppys on mewhile everyone is getting guns and by the time u mess about trying to get evenyone to buy 1 thin lol good luck bro 😂😂 slund to me ypu are playing with the wrong people or server