Southwest under investigation after Hawaii flight quickly drops to within 400 feet of ocean
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- Опубліковано 14 чер 2024
- The FAA is investigating a Southwest aircraft bound for Lihue suddenly dove 4,000 feet in a minute just 400 feet above the ocean.
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Something is way off here. Modern commercial jets DO NOT descend to 400' AGL "To try and get under the weather".
Even for instrument landings there are published minimum visibility rules as well as minimum altitude rules for the approach and landing. Known as "Minimums" that are published for every airport on the approach plates that this aircraft would be capable of landing at.
It makes perfect sense that the aircraft circled in a holding pattern hoping for a change in conditions, dropping down to 400' AGL IS NOT an approved procedure for ANY airline.
I am not sure who that "former pilot" was trying to gaslight, but the ONLY time a commercial jet would be justified being at 400' AGL is during the last 60 seconds or so before touchdown of an actual landing approach.
It’s called descending to minimums on an instrument approach.
CAT I: The basic form of ILS, requiring a decision height of at least 200 feet and a runway visual range of 550 meters or more.
CAT II and CAT III: These offer lower minimums for visibility and decision height, with CAT III allowing for almost zero visibility landings in some cases.
Hawaii is freaking out because climate change is making the nearby skies unflyable. So what's the usual go-to? Blame the pilots like usual. They're like the "accident prone" truck drivers of the sky. I call bullshit.
Well then, if this is correct, it is verifiable. Where do we go to see that verification? We know what the aircraft was and the airport is was flying into - what are the actual listed minimums that you mentioned and where can we see them for ourselves?
Hey Dummy most ILS do descend to 200 FT AGL and when any part of the runway is in insight (approach light, PAPI lights) are in sight we can descend another 100 FT.
So the reporter says it was a less experienced officer inadvertently pushing the column down and dropping the speed... then you have this pilot come on and say they were just going down to 400 feet to find the runway and then they did a go around... those things are incongruent with each other, right? Am I missing something?
DEI
@@rickg.5171 AI troll
The first officer has to take one for the team, because SW only operate Boeing jets and if they mention anything about the airplane. The stocks for both companies will go on a deep dive since people will be scared to get on the jet and op to fly with other companies.
Two different sources and the reporter not verifying which source was correct.
Are they implying Boeing? What u do u
I do not believe that scenario.
Me either. That airport has an ILS (instrument landing system) and 737's are capable of this.
@@donc9751 An ILS approach has a Decision Height, and if the runway is not visible when the aircraft reaches that height, the landing must be rejected. Standard Decision Height for a CAT 1 ILS is 200ft above the ground, which is just low enough for ignorant news people to spin a fantasy fiction yarn about an aircraft "coming within feet of slamming into the ocean", when in fact nothing happened at all. Weather was poor so they went back.
Remember the old days flying between the islands in prop planes? It was an "E" ticket ride!
People... 737 / 757 / 767 pilot here. It appears that this flight flew an instrument approach with a 400 foot minimum altitude, and upon reaching that minimum, didn't have the required visibility conditions, and flew a missed approach. No big deal. Maybe the crew was a bit rough in handling the plane, but this is no "diving at the ocean."
Did you even read what Southwest said in the memo reported in this video? “A less experienced first officer inadvertently pushed the control column forward… then cut the speed causing cockpit alarms to go off before the captain ordered an aggressive climb.” The FO completely screwed up.
@@lostwoods5687 well, that's how you get experience. Not when it's all nice n sunny.
No big deal?
There’s a damn pattern of “issues” with the revamped 737 Max planes.
@@AncestorEmpireGamingexactly
@@marymorenomariposa yep, but that’s one way to look at it.
The other way to see it is that the media sees blood in the water with the 737 Maxes, so if that plane farts in the wind, there will be a headline about it.
Why so long to report this incident? This happened in April and it’s mid June? And they’re always having a legitimate reason why these coincidences happen…1st class officer? Just thankful no one got hurt🙏🏽💟✈️💨🛫🛩️
Blame the new guy
Yeah...Mayor Pete and his husband
Blame? He pushed the nose down and pulled back power, almost stalling plane and killing all onboard! First Officer should never have been in control.
@@BigEightiesNewWave exactly it was his fault
sounds like it was his fault. people always want to blame the plane but its always the airline 99 percent of the time.
Boeing gets the blame in this video, but its BS. These airlines don't do proper maintenance because it saves money to cut corners, they don't keep pilots up on new technology or new FAA procedures. They hire very inexperienced pilots and crew because it's cheaper. If you only knew the corners airlines cut to make a profit you'd never fly again.
He should be FIRED!
Kauai is known to have windy conditions for making it difficult for planes.
More so Maui 🤙🏼 infact, I think you mean Maui.
Landed in a Turbo-Prop at 9PM in Rain storm No Fun.
This story did a nice job convoluting several different completely unrelated airline incidents and summing it up that they were all Boeing aircraft. Nonsense. If the airlines can't fly all the way down to "minimums", which is the lowest FAA approved altitude they can descend to in order to visually spot the runway for landing before "going around" to try again, then airline passengers should be prepared to only fly on clear and cloud free days. That would reduce flights by about 75%.
They couldn't see through the clouds?
How do planes land at night, smart guy?
What is that GPS for?
Did other planes land that day?
I, for one, call BS!
You don't land at night if the weather is bad enough to not see the runway,you go to a different airport where you can.There are minimum heights for being able to see a runway in bad weather conditions.GPS doesn't land airplanes.
They use lights to land at night, smart gal. Some other systems (not GPS) allow landing in poor visibility, but that's not available for all planes/airports. Without one of those systems, even though they can get to the airport without seeing it, they still need to see the runway in order to safely land on it.
They have lights on the runway for night time. lol. Also the windy conditions made visuals pivotal in a situation like this.
It's hard to get a straight story from reporters that know nothing about flying. You'll simply have to wait for the FAA report, assuming one comes out.
Have you ever flown into Lihue? It's absolutely terrifying on good days.
The airport is at the top of 100 foot sheer cliffs, the approaches are both over the ocean, and the runways are shorter than FAA standards.
Airplanes have to come in low and slow, and if there are any adverse weather conditions, you basically just close your eyes and pray.
The passengers who complained probably weren't locals, and they were expecting to land at a modern airport.
When sensationalism is used to merely get clicks and views. Damned true journalism.
Weak reporting although she's pretty. Doesn't even tell us it's allegedly the troubled 737 Max again. If the FO did go down to 400 for visuals then why not just say that? If it's heavily clouded that would make sense.
Weak reporting, maybe. Not bring another popular blame game topic is good reporting. Stimulating idiots is never good journalism. Not a Boeing issue. Want me to repeat that fact for you? Does seem you don't like facts to interfere with your thoughts.
Yeah, pretty from the neck up. Everything else below makes her look like she hulk. To each his own
@@LiquidPepsiCan Id hit that with the intensity of a thousand blazing suns
The Mcnamee guy is completely wrong in saying he thought they descended on purpose, just before he spoke the memo confirms it was an accidental descent due to a “less experienced” first officer.
So Southwest explained the issue as a first officer making a mistake and cutting all power, but the doofus guest Mcnamee said they went low to look under the clouds? 😂😂😂
Why would the news program even air his ridiculous comments?
Worse yet, the way the reporter emphasized “Boeing plane” when the operator is being called on, seems like more media finger pointing and not the facts.
The severe turbulence one on Hawaiian from Phoenix to Honolulu was an Airbus A330-200. They got that part wrong with all the incidents they mentioned were all Boeing. One of them was an Airbus
"All involving Boeing airplanes"... this reporter needs another job... There was no mention of mechanical issues with any of these incidents. Really @Hawaii News Now? Get a grip. Stop scaring your base or start taking boats to the outer islands...
Would have had the ferry system but Kauai and Maui residents didn’t want it and most of them protesting against the ferry was transplants! I had family on both islands all for the ferry!
@@howzit9397we really do need it now😢.
@@oger_ROG Lahina could have used it
I could fairly bet money that any random flight in the United States is on a Boeing plane.
Yesss! Bring back the inter island shuttle. The super ferry was great.
Fear Mongering is prevalent nowadays. True journalism is a thing of the past.
...........says a person in the comment section of a UA-cam video.
How is this report fearmongering?
The news is known for that. That's why it's best to fact check everything the news tells you. Some of these incidents are concerning & something to be aware of, but a lot of things are not. They just like to keep ppl afraid. It can be a pain to weed out all the bs sometimes.
this was more accurate reporting than the nationwide outlets. On the flight radar map, you can clearly see the plane was descending towards the airport. So while it's accurate the plane went as low as 400 ft, it was during landing and not during say the "cruise" portion of the flight.
Maybe Kauai should build an airport at another location to mitigate weather conditions or stick to cruise ships to travel between islands.
no east side all mountains.
Wer da be brudda?
Sorry for all the people on flight.
Geez...AZ Senator Kristen Sinema met with airline CEOs to reduce the training requirements for pilots. She's reckless and her ego drives her decision making, not knowledge or expertise.
Yes, sometimes airplanes suddenly lose altitude. A science article I read about said that the reported numbers (such as 4000 feet) are almost always belied by their equipment, which will record maybe 60 feet.
The United Captain is absolutely right. The Pilots were simply flying the approach and did not break out and so went around.
It's the Max that has issues. Other Boeings are very safe. In this case it was an inexperienced pilot who caused the dive. I've been through a few aborted landings; usually no big deal aside from if the flight is diverted to another city (in one case I had to take a 7 hour bus ride back). Actually I flew HNL-LIH last month and had no issue, but it was on Hawaiian; not Southworst.
Sad part is that the pilots were likely fighting against autopilot, good news is that they were smart enough to evade tragedy. Big dubs to the cockpit.
So let me get this straight, the plane actually slammed the ocean??? Or they were close to?
Was that pilot there because D.E.I. ???
YIP
No your mother was
DEI should not come before skill...ever..ever...ever
@@Bobalicious Are you stating a pronoun ...all inclusive.. I do not care.
I bet
My TuTu (Grandmother) was born on the Island of Kauai, very special place
Y’all are blowing this up too much. You need to chill. They were trying to land, of course they’re going to get low to the ground/water
Was it a MAX? I have never flown a commercial aircraft or any aircraft for that matter and not even I would reduce power and push the control column forward not even inadvertently.
Every airplane landing at Lihue Airport drops within 400 feet of the ocean.
The approaches from Ahukini and Ninini are both over the ocean, and the airport is only at a 153 foot elevation. Plus, the runways have needed upgrading and lengthening for years.
The title pushes that all of Southwest airlines is being investigated instead of just the crew of an isolated flight. Who writes your headlines? How steep was the dive? Show a graph. Very dramatic with very little facts backing anything.
Maybe a passenger requested a closer look at swimming dolphins?
So it seems like a windshear on approach. Then a go around was commenced
A nose dive 4000 feet? That sounds terrifying
it isnt
Is this the max?
Vow..that sounds like fun
April?
I pay extra to not fly on Boeing
Don’t fly a Boeing Max 8.
Had nothing to do with the plane DA. Would have had the same issue with any plane.
That 'expert' was gaslighting.... the problem seems to have been the rapid decent from 4,000 feet down to only 400 feet within one minute, not the acceleration and climb out. Wow, what a slick talker.
Four hundred feet, a football field is three hundred feet, electrical poles are six hundred feet apart. I didn't hear the minimal decision height, but come on dude, that's flying below the Empire State Building.
I was on a flight from Honolulu to Kauai, and we almost crashed. It was on Hawaiian airlines and it wasa Boeing 737 plane. Engines were on fire, and upon landing, three of the tires blew up. I think it was an issue with the plane. My parents were waiting for me at the airport and was hysterical because they were briefed and told the plane may crash upon landing.
Hawaiian never had 737s. Maybe you're thinking Aloha?
What matters is equity and inclusion.
Dumb ass
LOL about the characterization of “falling in the ocean”. This is an egregious misrepresentation that I would expect from a Karen.
I wonder who was that Karen. Way over blown.
If it`s Boeing , I`m not flying.
"Going" rhymes.
What happened to Maui
That would had been one exciting ride.
737 Max? That plane doesn't have the best history. Anyway, very happy no fatalities were reported.
Jolanie Martinez is absolutely stunning. She should just hold the microphone and smile and I can imagine the news 🤣
737 max 8 to be exact.
Wonder if the programming of the MCAS that grounded the entire fleet worldwide wasn’t fixed on this plane. Seems weird that a licensed co-pilot would mistakenly keep pushing the throttle forwards (down) and drop the plan 16,000 without either pilot being able to immediately correct it.
@@DeathyAS Thank you for the correction. This doesn't help the anxiety I get every time I board a plane.
Luckily they did not encounter a similar accident like Air France Flight 447. May they rest in peace.
Report of such incident from the passengers can’t be so accurate to determined the actual situation/mishap.
There’s not much an issue with Boeing plane though its merely the weather & human factor caused.
This goes to show that more Boeing planes are in operation.
DAMN!!! Maybe Hawaii was safer in December 1941!😮😮😮
Affirmative action at its best. Just saying
So why are they broadcasting this now instead of April?
Boeing thought the whistleblower was taken care of 🤣
“It was just a PRANK BRO!!!
I’ve heard of several similar incidents, over the years, having an interest in aviation.
But the most concerning was a similar incident with, I believe, United, departing out of Hawaii for a flight back to the mainland.
In the most recent case, it was caused by a DEI hire who mis-set a setting, resulting in the flight almost hitting the ocean, prior to the pilots taking control.
So this time it was user error.
Plane falls thousands of feet without warning. Expert says it’s no big deal?… does he also work for Boeing?
"The first officer 'inadvertantly' pushed forward on the control column and then cut the speed"? Oh, bit he inadvertantly did that so he could see the runway? So does that mean it was inadvertent or not? Outrageous bs story!
Since when does Southwest fly to Hawaii?I have never heard of Southwest ever making trans pacific flights
Sounds like we should actually be praising the pilots rather than complaining.
I would say there's never been a flight that hasn't come within 400 feet of land. or water! She did mention DEI though, So...
Well the passengers need to thank the pilot for not crashing into the ocean be grateful, so it has to do with turbulence and and fall weather that has nothing to do with the airline,
first officer is the culprit here?
I'm sure the door panel blowout was a factor in this...wow! What kind of reporting is this!
The people must have thought they were going to die.
I’ll never fly life expectancy goes to 0
Is it just me or suddenly all of the planes don’t work and we see a video like this every day when flying was used to be the safest way of travel
#DEI FTW
What type of plane.
Doesn't matter. Was not a plane issue.
What type of plane? We're you on it? We're you flying it? If you trust the government you can't be trusted.
False reporting. It was a go around. The aircraft didn’t descend quickly.
We have conflicting stories here. Competent journalism requires getting off your behind and resolving the conflict in the accounts, not just playing the Boeing card to get cheers from the rubes.
"Mishaps?" That's what you call it?
What's going on Oahu
Boeing trying real hard to cover their asses rn
Engineers, your huge charter planes are way too safe compared to makeshift boats !
Terrain alert really !
Close Airbus and Boeing !
Flew many times in planes, jets and helicopters ,no more these days with the state of this industry.😢
news reporter sounded samoan when she first started talking..
I always said I wouldn't fly a 737 across the ocean.
Wth, they have an ILS system at the airport according to info online so why could the 737 crew not do an Instrument Landing approach to land safely? I know the planes are capable of this. Something dosent jive with this story...
ILS is into runway 35. Looks like they were doing the RNAV 17 since their approach was south
An ILS dosent mean you will always get to land
DEI hires, am i right?!
The 737MAX is a nightmare for Boeing! Couple this with inadequately trained pilots with limited experience!
That’s why they had the ONLY 2 fatal accidents involving the Max.. both in 3rd world countries with poorly trained crews. The same tech isdues existed on all the max at that time but US and other western carriers crews were able to competently address the issues without loosing an aircraft etc…. yes there may have been an issue that neede correcting..
How did The Passengers Not Film the P L.A.N.E Circling 7 times 😅
Too many cycles for the old aircraft they use there. Just crashes waiting to happen.
Chill out, I’m boutta go to Hawaii next month. wtf is going on with these airline news? 😭
reporter is fine
bs news. just took southwest flight between oahu and honolulu, very smooth... that pilot must be a DEI guy.
DEI just means that we're tired of your racism, sexism, and bigotry.
@@BobaliciousYou're a liberal racist. You put skin color over qualifications. Stop self-projecting what a racist you are
You took a flight between Oahu and Honolulu?!? Glad it was smooth…
Your mother
Now they will blame the 737 max
are the pilot and co pilot DEI hires
"Breaking News", 2 months ago...
I wont fly until we have a competent secretary of transportation. Weve just seen too many plane, train, and ship "mishaps". The connecting dots lead back to incompetent leadership as well as an industry willing to put money ahead of safety.
I knew we couldn’t trust New Mexico!
I know why these events are happening. I’ll give a hint. DEI.
Yeah you know us blacks cant do anything right, youre perfect whiteness. Gtfoh w that bs. Weirdo #TuskegeeAirmen
Yep, you're a racist.
Sounds about WHITE (Supremacist) see I don't speak in undercover punk code like you....I call it what it is
April 11? Why didn't you report on that on april12? Hmm
my thoughts exactly. This isn't news. This is history.
@@heraclitus6100 Because Buttigieg had to wake up from his nap and ride his bike to the FAA to get paid overtime.
I think they did. This is a follow up.
This sounds like a bunch of crap……”quickly drops to 400’” I call bullshit.
How’s DEI working out for ya?
I call BS. Something is very fishy.
So when It's Hawaiian Airlines it doesn't make the news
The guy at the end lying and trying to cover-up.
Good lord, people are such wimps these days…
The explanation is total bs. Your flying a modern aircraft. Your flying via waypoints right down to the runway. If you don’t see the runway at minimums you AUTOMATICALLY do a go around. You do not just “drop down” to 400 ft for a look see. There’s way more to this story.