Dave, those EMDs will run until they literally fall apart. They can take more abuse than any engine I’ve ever seen or worked on. A couple things I see from your video: the amount of damage on the camshaft the rocker cam rollers and the valve stems and valve bridges looks like the valves were way out of adjustment. Too much clearance allows the parts to slap against each other rather than following the cam motion smoothly. The excess clearance is probably due to wear in the valve train and lack of periodic inspection and adjustment of the valve lash. I’ve worked on several locomotives that probably hadn’t had a top end service, valves and injector adjustment in 20 years. Some were wildly out of spec. The rocker bearing with the copper showing is completely shot. With that much wear, the rocker shaft may be out of round, but it sounds like everything was replaced anyway. That bearing wear plus the camshaft wear make me wonder about the condition of the lube oil and the oil delivery system. Locomotives run long hours at idle and low speeds. If the oil pressure pump is getting weak, the top of the engine like the camshaft and heads may be starving for oil causing a lot of wear. Also, since practically no one ever actually changes the lube oil on a locomotive, it can get pretty loaded up with soot and metal particles. If a sample of oil were sent out for testing, you might find out the oil is out of spec as well. Most old EMDs spit out so much oil that just continuous adding keeps the oil in reasonably good shape, but I’ve had to on occasion drain the lube oil, all 400 gallons of it and refill with fresh lube oil at $10/gallon. That was because the injector supply and return tubes under the valve cover leaked and we found 40 gallons of diesel in the lube oil. This was on a freshly rebuilt GP30 that had just come to us from NRE. Fortunately NRE picked up the $4000 cost of changing the oil. It’s pretty amazing that old engines that are older than me 70 yrs, with a little maintenance will probably run another 50 years or so. That’s railroadin!
Wow Bill what an awesome comment! Thank you so much for sharing your expertise with us. Lack of periodic valve adjustment I will certainly tell you is an accurate assumption on your part. Good point on the oil pressure, I know that our last locomotive contract mechanics never checked that, I will ask our new mechanics next time they come in. And also oil changes are very infrequent here. Really appreciate your watching and writing in my friend. Just love to hear your comments.
Bill you hit every comment I was going to make after seeing the wear on the rocker and the spalling on the cam follower... I was thinking a bad batch or wrong oil was introduced... But I am in total agreement if that one rocker is that worn, the rest can't be far behind. Seems like Cumblerland 's previous owners weren't just skimping on underground maintenance but above ground as well. Maybe the mouse motor should be worked over sooner rather than later, and get it back to spec as this engine may very well be on borrowed time.
@@kleetus92 I would guess more of a case of improper valve train adjustment. In the Detroit Diesels you had a tool to gauge the set points of the injectors and you used feeler gauges to set the valve bridges. In FMs, ALCos, Cats, and most other large engines it all was done with feeler gauges or dial indicators. The fact that the wear on the rocker roller was hit and miss with one perfect patch would not have been the case with bad oil. Bad oil tends to uniformly ruin the rollers. Even something as simple as the hold down bolts not being torqued to specs could have caused the rocker arm wear to be accelerated.
Those particular parts are called valve bridges. We change them every time the injectors get changed. Edit: Those are flat worn out, the rest most likely aren’t far behind. You should recommend to the mechanic in charge of your locomotives that all of them need to be changed. The worn pockets in the heads were most likely caused by the worn out valve bridges. When one comes apart like the one that the spring came off of, it’s time to get the whole set on the engine changed.
Thanks Ralfie, I figured you would know. Part of the engine jewelry as our contract mechanics refer to the assemblies as. Always is a pleasure to have you visit and write in my friend.
We used those same engines for stationary power (emergency backup diesel generators). I remember working through the manual and several place would say "for railroad use.... for stationary power use...". Very reliable engines, but didn't like 'cold starts'. So we had a funny 'pre-lube' system that kept the oil circulating. That way we could go from 'cold' to start up / full power in about 10-15 seconds. Quite the workhorses.
They also make a marine version of this engine, several things are different from the loco engines, but I don't know what all those are Mike. Many, many river tugboats had these old engines in them, at least around here they did. I think the cold starts are why EMD wanted them to stay running because of the lack of pre lube. I've always heard it's hard on a diesel engine to keep them at idle, but even harder on bearings and seals to start them back up with no pre lube. Awesome comment my friend and thanks so much for sharing and watching tonight.
@@ccrx6700 I know many diesels can have a “fast” idle to cut down on excess wear during the life of the engine. That way the oil pressure is higher. Many truck drivers do this after they start their trucks in the cold. It also helps to prevent cylinder wash down from the diesel fuel, which dilutes the oil and wears the cylinder bores down faster.
Thank you nuttyd2 for the nice comment. We really appreciate your taking the time to stop by and check out the video. May you have a most blessed day my friend.
Very interesting, down to earth working mechanics, Yes too much clearance caused the rollers to impact spall like that. Shows what these emd can take. Thank you Dave, really enjoy your tours and insight, watch your toes and fingers..lol.
Wow. I am sure that these companies fret about having engines out of service for any reason and so I believe that a fair amount of necessary preventive maintenance is not done on any schedule. If I had the opportunity, I could prepare an analysis comparing downtime for preventive maintenance with the downtime from emergent maintenance. I suspect it would show that the cost of emergent maintenance is a lot higher. It might be a bit of a shock to the operations folks :) The saving grace is that the engine is an EMD and as long as there is fuel and some oil, it will run for a very long time without complaint. Reminds me of those late 60s slant 6 engines that Plymouth built :) Thank you for the close up look into engine 22's top end and the information to go along with it!
Thanks for the really nice comment Brian. One big problem we had here was our last owners knew they were getting out and skimped way too much on loco maintenance, only doing what was absolutely needed to keep them running. We are now on a much better maintenance program, but the sins of the past are catching up with them. Appreciate your visiting with us and checking out today's repair job my friend.
I was about to ask about the lack of oil due to a pump problem or bad valve calibration but Mechanic Bill in the comments already answered all my questions. Great video and nice to see the parts we don’t get to see very often. 👍🏻
Bill is a good man and very knowledgeable. He is an asset to our videos. He;s like EF Hutton, when he speaks I listen. Thanks so much for you kind words and for taking in today's home movie my friend.
i love EMD engines , i'm an amateur mechanic that's worked on about every engine there is ,,never got the chance to play with a 16-645 ,, but i have a 16V-71 with 4 turbos that i completely rebuilt from a relic i saved from the scrap yard ,,i love the sound of a 2 stroke
Dave, I always get to see something amazing on your channel. You are like a behind the scenes guy of the railroad business, showing us all the inner workings that makes things tick. I sure appreciate it and have a Happy Thanksgiving. Cheers Rob
Thank you so much Rob for the very kind comment. Really glad you are having a good time with us. It's a lot of fun to make these. Appreciate your watching them. May you and family also have a most blessed Thanksgiving my friend.
Worked for EMD over here in the UK before I retired, my main job was overhauling Power Packs. Mainly 710's fitted to the Class 66 loco's, fantastic engines !
Hi Dave, Thank you for your time to film, very interesting. I have some mechanical knowledge about old petrol paraffin and diesel tractors but have never had a hands on with your size of engines your company use. I'd also like to thank your other viewers for their comments on cause of failure. Take care and thanks again. Rgds, Peter.
That's a valve bridge. In forty years of dealing with marine EMD's, I've never seen valve bridge wear like that. The fact that it didn't drop a valve is amazing!
Thank you BilgeDweller, it sure did have a lot of wear on it! We are all surprised it lasted as long as it did, but it's all fixed up now and that's the important thing. Very much appreciate your taking the time to pay us a visit and check out the cylinder head replacement video my friend.
Oh man great coverage of these worn parts, crazy they lost track of that other engine and it was full of rodents. Thats a lot of pitting on that roller. Thanks for showing us. Great seeing the ins and outs of the locos. Glad 22 is up and running again. Hope you and the Misses has a wonderful and Happy Thanksgiving.
Last company scrimped on loco and track maintenance because they knew they were selling and getting out. Too much stuff did not get done that should have and now the sins of the past are rearing their ugly heads. Much better maintenance program is going on now with locos and track. Thanks so much for visiting with us and watching my friend. Hope you also had a great Thanksgiving. I stuffed myself, but no surprise there.... LOL
That copper color inside the rocker is a worn out bearing surface. You'd find similar in a rod or main bearing in a normal sized engine. It's a plated surface over copper usually. And when you're down to the copper it's well worn and time for a change. I found the wear on the rocker assembly roller very interesting. Almost like when a wheel starts to egg shell. I wonder if it's just become so work hardened over time that it finally got brittle enough to start cracking apart. Shows you how many hours those engines have on them. A bunch!
That's the mark of a good mechanic Raymond, loving to fix something that is broke and get it running right again. Thank you so much my friend for visiting with me and taking in tonight's show.
We've changed a few engines here over the years Robert, they have always rented a big crane to do it. No one thought ahead when they built the big shop to put in an overhead crane.
Excellent video Dave, I've seen engine parts on display when going through the NS Roanoke locomotive shop. Engines in different stages of being rebuilt. Interesting stuff, thanks Dave.
Thank you Jeff, glad you enjoyed it. That would be awesome to go thru Roanoke shop, or Juniata shops. I've driven by Juniata shops and drooled just driving by. How lucky were you to actually go thru Roanoke. Always is a pleasure to hear from you my friend.
I see that roller on may modern day automotive with that type of wear and scaring dirty oil and or metal fatigue is usually the culprits thanks for sharing Dave
The oil in these locos hardly ever gets changed and not just here but on a bunch of other railroads David I change the oil in my truck and equipment at home religiously. Thank you very much for taking the time to check out the video and may you have a very good day my friend.
Happy Thanksgiving Dave to you and the crew at the mine and railroad. Hope you all have a wonderful day. Some expensive paper weights you got there. LOL Glad to see #22 running again.
I for sure wanted to take one of those heads home for the collection John, but they are pretty darn heavy, and very greasy. 22 back in revenue service, they are going to do some more part replacing sometime in the near future tho, just don't know when yet. Always is a pleasure to have you stop by and may you and your family have a happy Thanksgiving also my friend.
Thank you Jeff. So glad you had a good time with us. They call all that the locomotive jewelry. Expensive stuff. Very much appreciate your dropping by and taking in the show today my friend.
Certainly pays testament to the ruggedness of those EMD units Dave. Great little insight! As for the rodent filled spare, guess it was better to find out now then thinking it was standby ready to go!
You are absolutely right in that Richard. That's why those guys went over the week end before to check it out. They are new contract loco mechanics that have only been here a few times so had no clue what they were going to find in the stored engine. Very much appreciate your visiting with us today my friend.
Thank you so much EL for the very kind comment. So glad to hear you are enjoying the home movies. We certainly appreciate your checking them out my friend.
Yes it is Eddy. They coming back to do some more work on the engine, but don't know when or what else they have to do. Thanks my friend for tuning in and checking out today's repair job.
Very glad to hear her running once again! It's always great to see people that know what their doing repair things the right way! Happy Thanksgiving from Massassachusetts!
Happy Thanksgiving to you also James, hope your family had a good day. We certainly appreciate your dropping in on us and taking in the video today my friend.
Neat to see. Some of the wear is expected, however I did not expect the roller on the rocker to be all chewed up like that! My guess is the clearance was off and it was getting hammered, which made the metal brittle. Regardless, Happy Thanksgiving to you and the Mrs. !!
Glad you enjoyed Matt. Hope you also had a good Thanksgiving. I stuffed myself as usual, but no big surprise there.... LOL Lack of proper maintenance in the past contributed greatly to our loco woes. Last company knew they were selling out and only what absolutely had to get done was performed. We are now on a much better program, but the sins of the past are catching up.
Very cool stuff Dave and you’re right, it’s not often you get to see diesel locomotive engine components. Especially ones with that much wear. Hope you have a wonderful Thanksgiving buddy!
Was a very good Thanksgiving Paul, thank you and hope yours was as well. Glad you enjoyed the show today. We certainly appreciate your checking it out my friend.
Certainly welcome Timothy, my pleasure indeed. it's a lot of fun to make these, and lucky I can do them. Really glad you enjoyed tonight's home movie my friend.
Awesome Mike, safety first and don't forget your safety vest either.... :-) Really glad to hear you are having a good time with us. We certainly appreciate your watching my friend.
Certainly was an abnormal amount of wear Christopher. Glad they got it changed out. Thanks for your nice comment and may you and your family also have a Merry Thanksgiving my friend.
22 is back in revenue service hauling coal Russell. Good to see her back in action. They are planning to change some more engine parts in the near future, but I don't have a date for that yet. They also don't know yet what they are going to do with the engine that is stored at Emerald. Thank you so much my friend for checking out the home movie tonight and may you and family have a great day tomorrow.
These are old Derrick and asked to do a lot. Sadly our old owners skimped big time on loco maintenance. They knew they were selling out and some things like preventative maintenance on the locos just didn't get done. Sins of the past are catching up. Now they have some new contract loco mechanics that are very good and they have spent a good bit of money trying to do what is right for the locos, still more to go tho. Thanks for joining in with us and checking out the show my friend.
Your welcome Beverly, glad you enjoyed. All these trinkets I'm collecting may have to someday sell on Ebay to supplement by retirement.... :-) Maybe I should keep all the spikes and track bolts instead of putting them in the dumpster? After reading your comment on the 1309 whistle short video, I downloaded a train sound app, got a pretty cool steam whistle on it now set to my notification sound, thanks, I never realized they even had train ringtones.....
@@ccrx6700 glad you got the ringtone. I have it on my texts. You will have fun when you are in a store and it goes off. I saw on eBay people are selling track plates and spikes and other parts for good prices. Don’t toss in dumpster.
Yes sir Gary, with all that wear lucky something more bad didn't happen sooner. Thanks for stopping by and hope you and your family had a most blessed Thanksgiving also my friend.
They also have in the garage an over head vent all along the top of the center of roof but neglected to open it so the smoke would go up and out. But it did make for a good smoke show. Really appreciate your visiting with me today and checking out the show my friend.
I crewed a couple of USCG buoy tenders and we ran 645E 8 cylinder engines (dc propulsion). They sent me to get schooled up at MKW Power Systems in Rocky Mount NC and one of the items they stressed was the hydraulic lash adjusters that rest in the valve bridge, once the wear develops to more than about 1/4" circle they are ready to be replaced. Those low dollar parts wearing out will lead to big dollar repairs down the line. Yup. lol
Your welcome Valerie, was great to have you visit with me tonight. Hope you and your family also have a happy Thanksgiving. She cooked turkey today, so I felt it my obligation to our guests tomorrow to do some serious taste testing to make sure the food wouldn't poison them.... :-) She wasn't too happy I got into the mashed potatoes tho. She made a bowl of them that would feed 50 people and was complaining we may run out.... LOL
Valve bridge or Cummins calls them crossheads. I remember EMD welding the cylinder limers to the heads because they couldn't keep head gaskets from blowing.
It's nice seeing the locomotives getting thier well earned maitenance, also I have a suggestion maybe you could make some videos profiling all the locos on your line.
Thanks for the suggestion Arkay. Actually I had planned doing a video for each one of the locos including a cab ride in each, had that planned for 2 years ago and with so much other stuff that has gone on, just never got around to it. But I think many folks would like to have a detailed discussion of each loco and how they came to us, got tons of old pictures to go along with that video. I'll get it made someday but looking right now it may be 2 or 3 years from now. I've currently got over 50 videos made just waiting to be published and about 25 more that need to get edited, so lot's of RR stuff coming next year my friend.
Your welcome Tony. I will keep that in mind for a possible future video, but give me some time to do it. I've got tons of videos already made and waiting to be published. Thank you so much for taking the time to visit with us and may you have a very good day my friend.
Thank you Mike, hope you and your family had a great Thanksgiving also. We do appreciate your visiting with us and checking out the repair job my friend.
Looks like the image reversal is something to do with selfie mode on your camera/cellphone. Look at the image at 0:13 in this video - IRON is reading backwards.
Yes sir, it's on selfie and that's what causes the reversal. It's just so easy to do a selfie as opposed to in so many different locations I film at to try and find something to clamp the phone on. Thank you so much for stopping by and taking in the video today my good man.
Well Dave when i worked in the rail mill we had the same problem with break downs in the mill sometimes they could not find a part or they found something that was stored and not rebuilt. Have a nice Thanksgiving. Nice video.
Guess when you have big companies you'll have that kind of stuff happen Michael. Thanks so much for tuning in to the channel and checking out the repair job my friend.
had made a video couple years ago in my hi rail truck with the radio playing Taylor Swift, uploaded it and they busted me on that, so learned not to do that again! Thanks so much Preston for checking out tonight's home movie my friend. Always great to have you visit with me.
@@ccrx6700 Same happened to me years ago and last year I got a note saying I could either delete 10 seconds or they would put an add break on. That was just 10 seconds of music on a fairground ride they picked up on.
It's back in revenue service Wilbur, although there is now a problem with the air, keeps wanting to blow off pressure below pop off setting, that will be a future video, but probably you won't see it till next spring or summer. At least it's running and hauling coal again. Thank you so much my friend for checking out tonight's home movie. Have a great day tomorrow.
Very interesting Dave! I love to see the inner workings of trains - especially the engines! It was pretty cool seeing how long that camshaft was! Do coal trains take more of a beating than other trains? Some of those parts were pretty beat-up!
Glad you enjoyed the show. There are 4 camshafts on these engines, there are 4 banks to the engine, each bank (not sure if thats the proper term) has 1 cam shaft servicing 4 cylinders per cam. Locos have to work harder with increased tonnage. Unit coal trains around here are generally 110 to 120 cars, we only have 38 cars on our train. So you can imagine the harder pulls on those longer much heavier trains. Hope you and family have a most blessed day today my friend.
@@ccrx6700 Thanks Dave! I'd love to see a locomotive engine rebuilt. I've seen bits and pieces, but never the whole thing. I think it would be fascinating!
Thank you very much darnoldie, glad you had a good time. Hope you also had a great Thanksgiving, I stuffed myself, but no surprise there.... LOL Always a pleasure to have you visit with us my friend.
Always something going wrong around here jw. But, that's railroading. ... :-) Really appreciate your visiting with us and checking out the home movie today my friend.
22 is running a lot better now Tuco and is back in revenue service. Although mechanics are coming back at some point to do some more engine work, but not sure what. Really appreciate your dropping by and taking in the video today my friend.
Awesome video. I've said it here before and will say it again I would rather rum a emd than ge any day. Stuff like this I never got to see. I always took for granted when throttle was applied it would pull. 98% of the time that was rhe case 2% of the time we was up the track without power so to speak.
Dave great job under the circumstances. That engine took some sustained abuse no doubt , the obviously worked hard and long . You sounded like your coming down with something - take care of yourself man!
Thank you Declan. So nice of you to drop by and take in the video today my friend. Yes sir, I am coming down with something, it's called too much railroad itis..... LOL Actually the voice level when I made the video was too low, so I used my editing software to increase volume and that is the weird sound you hear in my voice.
Thanks for showing some more of the engine internals..they're a little bigger than truck diesels! Definitely looks like bad things were happening in there! You have a Happy Thanksgiving Dave! 👍👍
Your welcome Jim, yep a bit bigger, but they pull a bit more tonnage that a truck does too.... LOL Thanks for showing up this morning and enjoy your happy meal and family today my friend.
except for needing a crane it was not bad changing EMD 567 and 645 liner, piston, and head, we did test for fuel delution every 30 days (% fuel in the crankcase oil)
They used to test loco oil along with gear boxes on the belt drives as a regular thing Gary. Then when the company started scrimping several years ago that got cut out. A very poor decision to my way of thinking. Very much appreciate your joining in with us for the home movie today my friend.
I hope the mechanics checked the muffler bearing (lol). A muffler bearing failure could take out the whole engine. A key sign of the failure is when flames shoots out the exhaust (lol) By the way, on the rocker, the copper is the actual bearing material/ The silver is the babbitt under the bearing material. Besides the roller, the the bearing is worn out, Good to see the engine back in service.
Lack of lubrication to a muffler bearing will do it every time Rupert :-) Thanks for the info on the copper/silver. Really appreciate your dropping by and checking out the repairs my friend.
@@ccrx6700 i love your videos anf your dedication to your job. If we were all like that, America would be a mean machine. Instead we send it to China. Your company is lucky to have you! I hope they realize it.
Proper maintenance being the key words James. Our former owners knew they were selling and scrimped big time on adequate preventative maintenance. New owners have brought in some excellent contract mechanics and they have done a ton of work on all our locos, with still more to guy, but at least it's getting done. Appreciate your stopping by and taking in the video tonight my good man.
I'm learning things about trains I didn't know. I been working on Diesel truck's for 27 years now, but I would love to go inside a EMD 645E3, just once 🙂
Previously owned by a little old lady from Pasadena, who only drove it on Sunday..... That replacement engine was running great when they pulled it out.... Sold without warranty.... HA HA. I bet you have heard those lines before.
Actually when 22 came to us in 1997 it was without warranty. When it got here there was 50 gallons of water in the crankcase, also we had to take out the main generator and send it down south to EMD for rebuild. They did some engine work on it also at that time but don't remember what all was done. Yankeetown Dock sold it to us and basically said, Happy Motoring.... LOL Very much appreciate your dropping in on us tonight and taking in the show my friend.
Probably the first thing to disappear when this unit was delivered new was the service manual. One thing. that is in the manual is how to set up the hydraulic valve adjusters; adjust all the slack out the turn the screw one and a half turns. These units are like the tappets in your car and as far as I know EMD is the only manufacturer that uses them. One trick I use to check if they are still functioning is to let your finger ride up and down at idle speed { and before the oil gets hot}. A good tappet will just move up and down but a defective tappet or one that's not set up correctly will send a shock to the valve keeper. This engines maintenance has been neglected for a long time, it shows with the signs of contaminated oil everywhere probably due to not changing the oil filters. The oil filter tank has a by pass valve that is likely to be stuck open.
Appreciate your taking the time Kenneth to write in and share that info with us. Watch my video on Where Would you Spend the Money to find out why our equipment and track had fallen into a steady state of disrepair. Last company filed bankruptcy, there was no money. Thank you so much for taking the time to pay us a visit and check out the cylinder head replacement show. May you have a most blessed day my friend.
Pretty amazing at the size differences between automotive and locomotive. That cam lobe was CLASSIC. An automotive cam lobe is...oh, I dunno...INDEX FINGER-ish in size. By comparson, a Locomotive cam lobe is...oh, I dunno...FOREARM-ish in size... 💥Hehe!
And also Eric there are 4 cams on this engine. 1 for every 4 cylinders. Really appreciate your joining in with us to check out the repair job my friend.
@@ccrx6700 I was wondering about that. It makes sense to do it that way on an engine that big. Large ships' engines will often have cams which are segmented for each cylinder.
Getting the camshaft out is a pain. I don't know what I would call that insert in the rocker arm assembly. It acts like a bearing but it's pressed in like a bushing.
The effects of deferred maintenance! Did they redo all of the heads? They could probably use a lot of repair, replacement parts. Did they do a top end on all the cylinder banks? I caught that engine 'fogging for mosquitoes 🦟, after plowing the coal and resuming track speed. Lotta smoke!
Wiped bearing insert. Looks like oil quality but with the roller damage, it was overloaded. Hammered from excess lash. Rockers are tricky bearing as the speed, load and direction are oscillating. Unlike main bearings which have constant speed and varying load. Wrist pins have similar speed, direction and load variations as rocker arm pivots. I bet there is a bucket of gritty sludge in the crank sump on that engine.
Thanks Keith for the expert commentary. I bet there is a bunch of metal stuff somewhere in the oil system. We used to take oil samples where an outfit came in and tested for metal and diesel in the oil. But sadly a few years ago our old owners cut costs way down to bare minimum and did away with that testing as well as much needed loco preventive maintenance, stuff like checking lash and so on. So now those poor decisions are being paid for. Always a pleasure to have you stop by and write in my friend.
You are certainly welcome Charlie. Glad you enjoyed the video. We are very grateful for your taking the time to visit with us and check out the presentation my friend.
Glad you enjoyed Scott. Yes it does cost, but it costs more when a loco is just sitting there and not able to do anything. May you and your family have a most blessed Thanksgiving also my friend.
Wow wonder how long ago that was? Dr. Elmer Sperry was the one that developed the internal rail testing and the then called Sperry cars. We try to get our rail tested twice a year. Since we are so small it's often hard to get them to come, but they will try to stop by as one of the companies happens to be passing thru. Herzog won't come anymore because we are so small. Very much appreciate your stopping by and checking out the show tonight my friend.
Thank you Brian, really glad you enjoyed. Always a pleasure to have your visit and write in my friend. These old locos here don't have hour meters on them.
Does anyone know if Fairbanks Morse is still building locomotive equipment? My dad was on submarines and they had 9 cylinder opposed piston F-M engines. Super reliable and bulletproof!
I personally have no idea Mark, but very interesting about the sub engines. Thank you very much for taking the time to visit with us and check out the video my friend.
Dave, I can't help wondering if all the metal "machined" off the rollers and bridges has a safe escape, so it can be trapped in lube filters before doing further damage. When I see the copper alloy backing material in a bushing|plain-bearing, it's wiped likely with its pivot. That engine should have a much better life-expectancy now.
Your right Jacques. Sadly our last owners knew they were selling out and scrimped way too much on some things like track and loco maintenance. We used to have a guy come in take oil samples for locos and belt gear boxes but they then didn't want to spend the money on that. Sins of the past are catching up. However new owners are spending much needed money on track and loco maintenance now. Always a pleasure it is to have you visit and write in my friend.
Something like that Thomas, I was not able to talk with the loco mechanics very long, so didn't find out any real details. Appreciate your joining in with us and watching the repair job my friend.
Some of those parts appear to have gotten real hot. don't know diesel engines but do know gasoline ones and the kind of discoloration suggests excessive heat
Very well could have been, am wondering if when the contract mechanics did their initial inspection while it was running if they had a heat gun with them. I will ask next time the come on. Appreciate your stopping by and taking in the video today my friend.
I was a c&nw cedar lake shop electrician but would run the crane for the machinests sd45 645 cu per cyl 20 cyl 3600 hp if I remember right the head stud nuts were torqued at 2400 lb with a torque multiplier totally miss working for the rr everyday was different
Your right, they use a torque multiplier on those crab nuts Gary. I don't know the exact torque on them but it's a lot for sure. I hear you on missing railroading. It gets in your blood and you can't get it out. I'm afraid to retire. Appreciate your taking the time to check out the video and may you have a very nice day my friend.
Loved watching another great video. Things change minute by minute is right or even second by second 500 times before our shift would even start. Couldn't plan your day at times due to it changing so much by the time you got out of the office each day. Have a great rest of your evening Dave. You and your family have a Happy Thanksgiving also.(Steve)
Glad you had a good time with us tonight Steve. Drives me nuts too with plans changing all the time, I plan my day out on way to work and when I get there generally have to make adjustments. But, that's railroading! Always is a pleasure to have you visit with me my good friend.
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Dave, those EMDs will run until they literally fall apart. They can take more abuse than any engine I’ve ever seen or worked on.
A couple things I see from your video: the amount of damage on the camshaft the rocker cam rollers and the valve stems and valve bridges looks like the valves were way out of adjustment. Too much clearance allows the parts to slap against each other rather than following the cam motion smoothly. The excess clearance is probably due to wear in the valve train and lack of periodic inspection and adjustment of the valve lash. I’ve worked on several locomotives that probably hadn’t had a top end service, valves and injector adjustment in 20 years. Some were wildly out of spec.
The rocker bearing with the copper showing is completely shot. With that much wear, the rocker shaft may be out of round, but it sounds like everything was replaced anyway. That bearing wear plus the camshaft wear make me wonder about the condition of the lube oil and the oil delivery system. Locomotives run long hours at idle and low speeds. If the oil pressure pump is getting weak, the top of the engine like the camshaft and heads may be starving for oil causing a lot of wear. Also, since practically no one ever actually changes the lube oil on a locomotive, it can get pretty loaded up with soot and metal particles. If a sample of oil were sent out for testing, you might find out the oil is out of spec as well.
Most old EMDs spit out so much oil that just continuous adding keeps the oil in reasonably good shape, but I’ve had to on occasion drain the lube oil, all 400 gallons of it and refill with fresh lube oil at $10/gallon. That was because the injector supply and return tubes under the valve cover leaked and we found 40 gallons of diesel in the lube oil. This was on a freshly rebuilt GP30 that had just come to us from NRE. Fortunately NRE picked up the $4000 cost of changing the oil.
It’s pretty amazing that old engines that are older than me 70 yrs, with a little maintenance will probably run another 50 years or so.
That’s railroadin!
Wow Bill what an awesome comment! Thank you so much for
sharing your expertise with us. Lack of periodic valve adjustment
I will certainly tell you is an accurate assumption on your
part. Good point on the oil pressure, I know that our last
locomotive contract mechanics never checked that, I
will ask our new mechanics next time they come in. And also
oil changes are very infrequent here. Really appreciate your
watching and writing in my friend. Just love to hear your
comments.
Bill you hit every comment I was going to make after seeing the wear on the rocker and the spalling on the cam follower... I was thinking a bad batch or wrong oil was introduced... But I am in total agreement if that one rocker is that worn, the rest can't be far behind. Seems like Cumblerland 's previous owners weren't just skimping on underground maintenance but above ground as well.
Maybe the mouse motor should be worked over sooner rather than later, and get it back to spec as this engine may very well be on borrowed time.
@@kleetus92 I would guess more of a case of improper valve train adjustment. In the Detroit Diesels you had a tool to gauge the set points of the injectors and you used feeler gauges to set the valve bridges. In FMs, ALCos, Cats, and most other large engines it all was done with feeler gauges or dial indicators. The fact that the wear on the rocker roller was hit and miss with one perfect patch would not have been the case with bad oil. Bad oil tends to uniformly ruin the rollers. Even something as simple as the hold down bolts not being torqued to specs could have caused the rocker arm wear to be accelerated.
@@gravelydon7072 That is true, but I wonder what the other power packs look like in relation to this one?
@@kleetus92 So do I. Hopefully they were checked in the process.
Those particular parts are called valve bridges. We change them every time the injectors get changed.
Edit: Those are flat worn out, the rest most likely aren’t far behind. You should recommend to the mechanic in charge of your locomotives that all of them need to be changed.
The worn pockets in the heads were most likely caused by the worn out valve bridges. When one comes apart like the one that the spring came off of, it’s time to get the whole set on the engine changed.
Thanks Ralfie, I figured you would know. Part of the engine
jewelry as our contract mechanics refer to the assemblies as.
Always is a pleasure to have you visit and write in my friend.
We used those same engines for stationary power (emergency backup diesel generators). I remember working through the manual and several place would say "for railroad use.... for stationary power use...". Very reliable engines, but didn't like 'cold starts'. So we had a funny 'pre-lube' system that kept the oil circulating. That way we could go from 'cold' to start up / full power in about 10-15 seconds. Quite the workhorses.
They also make a marine version of this engine, several things
are different from the loco engines, but I don't know what all
those are Mike. Many, many river tugboats had these old
engines in them, at least around here they did. I think the cold
starts are why EMD wanted them to stay running because of
the lack of pre lube. I've always heard it's hard on a diesel engine
to keep them at idle, but even harder on bearings and seals
to start them back up with no pre lube. Awesome comment
my friend and thanks so much for sharing and watching tonight.
@@ccrx6700 I know many diesels can have a “fast” idle to cut down on excess wear during the life of the engine. That way the oil pressure is higher. Many truck drivers do this after they start their trucks in the cold. It also helps to prevent cylinder wash down from the diesel fuel, which dilutes the oil and wears the cylinder bores down faster.
Agreed. That is loose valve lash and could have been avoided. For you keep up the good work my man!
Thank you nuttyd2 for the nice comment. We really appreciate your taking the time to stop by and check out the video. May you have a most blessed day my friend.
Very interesting, down to earth working mechanics, Yes too much clearance caused the rollers to impact spall like that.
Shows what these emd can take. Thank you Dave, really enjoy your tours and insight, watch your toes and fingers..lol.
Thank you Pete, very glad to hear you enjoyed the show. We
certainly appreciate your visiting with us and watching my friend.
Thanks Dave for the video. It interesting to see some of the insides of a Locomotive even if they are worn. Thanks again. Have a good day my friend.
Certainly you are welcome John, my pleasure. Glad I can
do it. Very much appreciate your nice comment and for
checking it out today my friend.
Wow. I am sure that these companies fret about having engines out of service for any reason and so I believe that a fair amount of necessary preventive maintenance is not done on any schedule. If I had the opportunity, I could prepare an analysis comparing downtime for preventive maintenance with the downtime from emergent maintenance. I suspect it would show that the cost of emergent maintenance is a lot higher. It might be a bit of a shock to the operations folks :) The saving grace is that the engine is an EMD and as long as there is fuel and some oil, it will run for a very long time without complaint. Reminds me of those late 60s slant 6 engines that Plymouth built :) Thank you for the close up look into engine 22's top end and the information to go along with it!
Thanks for the really nice comment Brian. One big problem we
had here was our last owners knew they were getting out and
skimped way too much on loco maintenance, only doing what
was absolutely needed to keep them running. We are now
on a much better maintenance program, but the sins of the
past are catching up with them. Appreciate your visiting with
us and checking out today's repair job my friend.
Dave, I love the sound of any EMD locomotive at idle. Thank you for the video.
Your welcome raylz, glad you enjoyed the show. We certainly
appreciate your joining in with us my friend.
I was about to ask about the lack of oil due to a pump problem or bad valve calibration but Mechanic Bill in the comments already answered all my questions.
Great video and nice to see the parts we don’t get to see very often. 👍🏻
Bill is a good man and very knowledgeable. He is an asset
to our videos. He;s like EF Hutton, when he speaks I listen.
Thanks so much for you kind words and for taking in today's
home movie my friend.
i love EMD engines , i'm an amateur mechanic that's worked on about every engine there is ,,never got the chance to play with a 16-645 ,, but i have a 16V-71 with 4 turbos that i completely rebuilt from a relic i saved from the scrap yard ,,i love the sound of a 2 stroke
Awesome wildcoyote. Very much appreciate your tuning in and
taking in the video tonight my friend.
@@ccrx6700 thanks for sharing , i love big machinery ,if i'm not fixing something i am watching other people do it
Dave, I always get to see something amazing on your channel. You are like a behind the scenes guy of the railroad business, showing us all the inner workings that makes things tick. I sure appreciate it and have a Happy Thanksgiving. Cheers Rob
Thank you so much Rob for the very kind comment. Really glad
you are having a good time with us. It's a lot of fun to make
these. Appreciate your watching them. May you and family
also have a most blessed Thanksgiving my friend.
Worked for EMD over here in the UK before I retired, my main job was overhauling Power Packs.
Mainly 710's fitted to the Class 66 loco's, fantastic engines !
Awesome John, how cool a job was that. Really appreciate your
paying us a visit today and checking out the home movie my friend.
Nice, Dave! I'm always fascinated by seeing locomotive engines and their innards being worked on or shown. Thanks for sharing this one with us. 👍
Thanks Scotty, I figured you'd like this one. Always is a pleasure
to have you pay me a visit my friend.
@@ccrx6700 Indeed! Thanks again. ♥
Hi Dave,
Thank you for your time to film, very interesting. I have some mechanical knowledge about old petrol paraffin and diesel tractors but have never had a hands on with your size of engines your company use.
I'd also like to thank your other viewers for their comments on cause of failure.
Take care and thanks again.
Rgds, Peter.
Your welcome Peter, so glad you could stop by and check out
the repair job my friend. Always a pleasure to hear from you.
That's a valve bridge.
In forty years of dealing with marine EMD's, I've never seen valve bridge wear like that. The fact that it didn't drop a valve is amazing!
Thank you BilgeDweller, it sure did have a lot of wear on it! We
are all surprised it lasted as long as it did, but it's all fixed up now
and that's the important thing. Very much appreciate your taking
the time to pay us a visit and check out the cylinder head replacement
video my friend.
Oh man great coverage of these worn parts, crazy they lost track of that other engine and it was full of rodents. Thats a lot of pitting on that roller. Thanks for showing us. Great seeing the ins and outs of the locos. Glad 22 is up and running again. Hope you and the Misses has a wonderful and Happy Thanksgiving.
Last company scrimped on loco and
track maintenance because they knew they were selling and
getting out. Too much stuff did not get done that should have
and now the sins of the past are rearing their ugly heads. Much
better maintenance program is going on now with locos
and track. Thanks so much for visiting with us and watching
my friend. Hope you also had a great Thanksgiving. I stuffed
myself, but no surprise there.... LOL
That copper color inside the rocker is a worn out bearing surface. You'd find similar in a rod or main bearing in a normal sized engine. It's a plated surface over copper usually. And when you're down to the copper it's well worn and time for a change. I found the wear on the rocker assembly roller very interesting. Almost like when a wheel starts to egg shell. I wonder if it's just become so work hardened over time that it finally got brittle enough to start cracking apart. Shows you how many hours those engines have on them. A bunch!
Thank you very much Shane for the very informative comment.
Always is a pleasure to have you join in with us and write in
my friend.
I love the mechanical equipment, it is satisfying to fix something that is broken. Thank you for sharing Dave!
That's the mark of a good mechanic Raymond, loving to fix
something that is broke and get it running right again. Thank
you so much my friend for visiting with me and taking
in tonight's show.
Dave, you need overhead cranes, We pulled the long hood, unhooked the AR 10 and jacked back some, Pulled the engine and set another in.
We've changed a few engines here over the years Robert, they
have always rented a big crane to do it. No one thought ahead
when they built the big shop to put in an overhead crane.
Excellent video Dave, I've seen engine parts on display when going through the NS Roanoke locomotive shop. Engines in different stages of being rebuilt. Interesting stuff, thanks Dave.
Thank you Jeff, glad you enjoyed it. That would be awesome
to go thru Roanoke shop, or Juniata shops. I've driven by Juniata
shops and drooled just driving by. How lucky were you to actually
go thru Roanoke. Always is a pleasure to hear from you my friend.
Boy that is a lot of wear and tear. Great video as usual and have a great Thanksgiving my friend.
Thank you Lewis. Really appreciate your visit with us to check out
the engine repairs my friend. Always great to hear from you.
I see that roller on may modern day automotive with that type of wear and scaring dirty oil and or metal fatigue is usually the culprits thanks for sharing Dave
The oil in these locos hardly ever gets changed and not just
here but on a bunch of other railroads David I change the oil
in my truck and equipment at home religiously. Thank you very much for taking the time to check out the video and may you have a very good day my friend.
Another informational and educational video Dave!
Thank you so much Rick for the very kind words. Really
appreciate your tuning in and taking in the show tonight
my friend.
Happy Thanksgiving Dave to you and the crew at the mine and railroad. Hope you all have a wonderful day. Some expensive paper weights you got there. LOL Glad to see #22 running again.
I for sure wanted to take one of those heads home for the
collection John, but they are pretty darn heavy, and very greasy.
22 back in revenue service, they are going to do some more
part replacing sometime in the near future tho, just don't know
when yet. Always is a pleasure to have you stop by and may
you and your family have a happy Thanksgiving also my friend.
great video dave, loved seeing her internal parts that make her heart beat!
Thank you Jeff. So glad you had a good time with us. They
call all that the locomotive jewelry. Expensive stuff. Very much
appreciate your dropping by and taking in the show today my friend.
Broken Parts aren't good.Great WORK Captain.Very good Document.
Thank you Ed, so glad you could take the time to visit and
watch the repair job today my friend.
Certainly pays testament to the ruggedness of those EMD units Dave. Great little insight! As for the rodent filled spare, guess it was better to find out now then thinking it was standby ready to go!
You are absolutely right in that Richard. That's why those guys
went over the week end before to check it out. They are new
contract loco mechanics that have only been here a few
times so had no clue what they were going to find in the stored
engine. Very much appreciate your visiting with us today my friend.
This a great site, very informative, good cam work and the feed back is very educational....keep up the good work Dave!
Thank you so much EL for the very kind comment. So glad
to hear you are enjoying the home movies. We certainly appreciate
your checking them out my friend.
Good to see old 22 back up and at em ... Thx for posting and Happy Thanksgiving ...
Yes it is Eddy. They coming back to do some more work on the
engine, but don't know when or what else they have to do.
Thanks my friend for tuning in and checking out today's repair job.
My engineer sir.
Thankyou for introducing of different of the parts from in engine.
Your certainly welcome Thomas, very glad you enjoyed watching
the repair job today my friend.
I absolutely love the livery of this Railroad.
That's nice to hear. Glad you like it. Very much appreciate your
taking the time to write in and watch today my friend.
Very glad to hear her running once again! It's always great to see people that know what their doing repair things the right way! Happy Thanksgiving from Massassachusetts!
Happy Thanksgiving to you also James, hope your family had
a good day. We certainly appreciate your dropping in on us and
taking in the video today my friend.
Neat to see. Some of the wear is expected, however I did not expect the roller on the rocker to be all chewed up like that! My guess is the clearance was off and it was getting hammered, which made the metal brittle. Regardless, Happy Thanksgiving to you and the Mrs. !!
Glad you enjoyed Matt. Hope you also had a good Thanksgiving.
I stuffed myself as usual, but no big surprise there.... LOL Lack of
proper maintenance in the past contributed greatly to our
loco woes. Last company knew they were selling out and
only what absolutely had to get done was performed. We are
now on a much better program, but the sins of the past are
catching up.
Yes too much valve clearance Matt, sad that the companies let them go that far, sure tough engine, wow..lol.
That was a lot of damage. Very interesting Dave....really great stuff. Thanks! Happy Thanksgiving!
Glad you enjoyed the home movie today Fireball. Wishing you
and your family a most blessed Thanksgiving my friend.
Great video Dave, nice to see 22 up and running!!!
Thank you Ron. Glad you liked the show. We certainly
appreciate your joining in with us to check out the repair
job my friend.
Very cool stuff Dave and you’re right, it’s not often you get to see diesel locomotive engine components. Especially ones with that much wear. Hope you have a wonderful Thanksgiving buddy!
Was a very good Thanksgiving Paul, thank you and hope yours was
as well. Glad you enjoyed the show today. We certainly appreciate
your checking it out my friend.
Thanks for sharing this really interesting 👍!!
Certainly welcome Timothy, my pleasure indeed. it's a lot of
fun to make these, and lucky I can do them. Really glad you
enjoyed tonight's home movie my friend.
@@ccrx6700 thank you sir!!
Fantastic video Dave, great to see these parts. I learned a lot!
Thank you Dave very glad you enjoyed. We really appreciate your paying us a visit today and watching my friend.
Very nice Dave! I love seeing these EMDs, they are definitely one of my favorite prime movers!
Glad you enjoyed Eric. We do appreciate your tuning in and
checking out the repair job today my friend.
@@ccrx6700 Sure thing, always cool to see what is going on at the locomotive shops!
My name is Mike Lockhart I really enjoy watching your videos . Now everytime you have a video I will be wearing my railroad hardhat too.
Awesome Mike, safety first and don't forget your safety vest either....
:-) Really glad to hear you are having a good time with us. We
certainly appreciate your watching my friend.
As the announcer once said at the demolition derby: The flywheel ain't flyin', the crankshaft ain't crankin' and the pistons ain't pissin'
LOL.... Thanks for taking the time to tune in to the channel
and take in the video today my friend.
That was bad,but it could've been a lot worse. Great video Dave. You & your family have a blessed Thanksgiving
Certainly was an abnormal amount of wear Christopher. Glad they
got it changed out. Thanks for your nice comment and may
you and your family also have a Merry Thanksgiving my friend.
Wow those engine parts were really worn. Thanks for sharing and that engine does sound good.
22 is back in revenue service hauling coal Russell. Good to
see her back in action. They are planning to change some more
engine parts in the near future, but I don't have a date for that
yet. They also don't know yet what they are going to do with
the engine that is stored at Emerald. Thank you so much
my friend for checking out the home movie tonight and may
you and family have a great day tomorrow.
@@ccrx6700 The same to you Dave
It look like it's time for some nice rebuilt locomotives Happy Thanksgiving
These are old Derrick and asked to do a lot. Sadly our old owners
skimped big time on loco maintenance. They knew they were selling
out and some things like preventative maintenance on the
locos just didn't get done. Sins of the past are catching up. Now
they have some new contract loco mechanics that are very
good and they have spent a good bit of money trying to
do what is right for the locos, still more to go tho. Thanks for
joining in with us and checking out the show my friend.
Enjoy your videos a lot, Dave. 😁
Very glad to hear that Mark. We really appreciate your
watching them my friend.
Thanks for a another great video. Now you can make yourself some paper weights with those parts. Glad to see it running.
Your welcome Beverly, glad you enjoyed. All these trinkets I'm
collecting may have to someday sell on Ebay to supplement by
retirement.... :-) Maybe I should keep all the spikes and track bolts
instead of putting them in the dumpster? After reading your comment
on the 1309 whistle short video, I downloaded a train sound app,
got a pretty cool steam whistle on it now set to my notification
sound, thanks, I never realized they even had train ringtones.....
@@ccrx6700 glad you got the ringtone. I have it on my texts. You will have fun when you are in a store and it goes off. I saw on eBay people are selling track plates and spikes and other parts for good prices. Don’t toss in dumpster.
There's a lot of ware in that engine parts were so worn that things broke great video Dave thanks for the update and happy Thanksgiving to you and all
Yes sir Gary, with all that wear lucky something more bad didn't happen sooner. Thanks for stopping by and hope you and
your family had a most blessed Thanksgiving also my friend.
Dave, thanks so much for the informative video on 22's engine. I hope you are having a Happy Thanksgiving today. Take care.
Thanks Tom, glad you enjoyed. Stuffed myself, we had supper,
family has left for their homes. Hope you also had a very good
day my friend.
👍👍👍👍 Happy Thanksgiving yesterday I hope you and family had a wonderful day
At the very end, I noticed the great ventilation, where this engine was started.
They also have in the garage an over head vent all along the top
of the center of roof but neglected to open it so the smoke
would go up and out. But it did make for a good smoke show.
Really appreciate your visiting with me today and checking out
the show my friend.
Happy Thanksgiving!!! Great maintenance video 🚂 Thanks from Texas ❤️😁
Thank you K D, very glad you enjoyed the home movie. May
you and your family also have a most blessed Thanksgiving my
friend.
I crewed a couple of USCG buoy tenders and we ran 645E 8 cylinder engines (dc propulsion). They sent me to get schooled up at MKW Power Systems in Rocky Mount NC and one of the items they stressed was the hydraulic lash adjusters that rest in the valve bridge, once the wear develops to more than about 1/4" circle they are ready to be replaced. Those low dollar parts wearing out will lead to big dollar repairs down the line. Yup. lol
Thanks for sharing your story with us copokitapo and for taking the timeto check out the video my friend.
Thanks for sharing. Once again, have a safe and blessed Thanksgiving to you and your family!
Your welcome Valerie, was great to have you visit with me tonight.
Hope you and your family also have a happy Thanksgiving. She
cooked turkey today, so I felt it my obligation to our guests
tomorrow to do some serious taste testing to make sure the
food wouldn't poison them.... :-) She wasn't too happy I got
into the mashed potatoes tho. She made a bowl of them
that would feed 50 people and was complaining we may run out.... LOL
@@ccrx6700 😂🤣😁
Valve bridge or Cummins calls them crossheads. I remember EMD welding the cylinder limers to the heads because they couldn't keep head gaskets from blowing.
Thanks for writing in Pete and sharing with us. Really appreciate
your checking out the repair job today my friend.
It's nice seeing the locomotives getting thier well earned maitenance, also I have a suggestion maybe you could make some videos profiling all the locos on your line.
Thanks for the suggestion Arkay. Actually I had planned doing
a video for each one of the locos including a cab ride in each,
had that planned for 2 years ago and with so much other stuff
that has gone on, just never got around to it. But I think many
folks would like to have a detailed discussion of each loco and
how they came to us, got tons of old pictures to go along with
that video. I'll get it made someday but looking right now it
may be 2 or 3 years from now. I've currently got over 50 videos
made just waiting to be published and about 25 more that
need to get edited, so lot's of RR stuff coming next year my friend.
@@ccrx6700 Cab ride, bring it on!
Thanks for the awesome share , can you do a video on the cop switch hose routing for low crank case pressure ( asking for a friend ) ❤
Your welcome Tony. I will keep that in mind for a possible future
video, but give me some time to do it. I've got tons of videos already
made and waiting to be published. Thank you so much for taking the time to visit with us and may you have a very good day my friend.
Happy Thanksgiving Dave to you and your family and that rocker arm is beat up along with lifters
Thank you Mike, hope you and your family had a great Thanksgiving
also. We do appreciate your visiting with us and checking out
the repair job my friend.
Looks like the image reversal is something to do with selfie mode on your camera/cellphone. Look at the image at 0:13 in this video - IRON is reading backwards.
Yes sir, it's on selfie and that's what causes the reversal. It's
just so easy to do a selfie as opposed to in so many different
locations I film at to try and find something to clamp the phone
on. Thank you so much for stopping by and taking in the video
today my good man.
Interesting video. Lots of engine power to generate electricity. Fascinating. :)
Thank you mustraline, glad you enjoyed. We really appreciate your
tuning in and checking out the repair job my friend.
Well Dave when i worked in the rail mill we had the same problem with break downs in the mill sometimes they could not find a part or they found something that was stored and not rebuilt. Have a nice Thanksgiving. Nice video.
Guess when you have big companies you'll have that kind of stuff
happen Michael. Thanks so much for tuning in to the channel
and checking out the repair job my friend.
You are right about the radio playing causing a copyright infringement. I got two videos with one but they are old ones.
had made a video couple years ago in my hi rail truck with
the radio playing Taylor Swift, uploaded it and they busted me
on that, so learned not to do that again! Thanks so much
Preston for checking out tonight's home movie my friend.
Always great to have you visit with me.
@@ccrx6700 Same happened to me years ago and last year I got a note saying I could either delete 10 seconds or they would put an add break on. That was just 10 seconds of music on a fairground ride they picked up on.
Some rather worn parts Dave, good thing they changed them. 22 sounds like it`s ready to go! Have a Happy Thanksgiving!
It's back in revenue service Wilbur, although there is now a
problem with the air, keeps wanting to blow off pressure
below pop off setting, that will be a future video, but probably
you won't see it till next spring or summer. At least it's running
and hauling coal again. Thank you so much my friend for
checking out tonight's home movie. Have a great day tomorrow.
Very interesting Dave! I love to see the inner workings of trains - especially the engines! It was pretty cool seeing how long that camshaft was! Do coal trains take more of a beating than other trains? Some of those parts were pretty beat-up!
Glad you enjoyed the show. There are 4 camshafts on these
engines, there are 4 banks to the engine, each bank (not sure if thats
the proper term) has 1 cam shaft servicing 4 cylinders per
cam. Locos have to work harder with increased tonnage.
Unit coal trains around here are generally 110 to 120 cars,
we only have 38 cars on our train. So you can imagine the
harder pulls on those longer much heavier trains. Hope you
and family have a most blessed day today my friend.
@@ccrx6700 Thanks Dave! I'd love to see a locomotive engine rebuilt. I've seen bits and pieces, but never the whole thing. I think it would be fascinating!
Happy Thanksgiving Dave.
Thank you Eddie and may you and your family also have a
good day tomorrow. Really appreciate your joining in with
us tonight my friend.
Great video Dave. Looks like you already got some comments to explain what the problem is. Enjoy your turkey and all the trimmings tomorrow!!
Thank you very much darnoldie, glad you had a good time.
Hope you also had a great Thanksgiving, I stuffed myself, but
no surprise there.... LOL Always a pleasure to have you
visit with us my friend.
Destruction of the week, right there. Looks like it had rocks in the rockers.
Always something going wrong around here jw. But, that's railroading. ... :-) Really appreciate your visiting with us and
checking out the home movie today my friend.
So you say the mechanics were getting the Led out, literally! Hope that makes the engine run better. Happy Thanksgiving.
22 is running a lot better now Tuco and is back in revenue service.
Although mechanics are coming back at some point to do some
more engine work, but not sure what. Really appreciate your
dropping by and taking in the video today my friend.
Awesome video. I've said it here before and will say it again I would rather rum a emd than ge any day. Stuff like this I never got to see. I always took for granted when throttle was applied it would pull. 98% of the time that was rhe case 2% of the time we was up the track without power so to speak.
Thank you so much Jason. Glad you enjoyed. We certainly
appreciate your dropping by and taking in today's repair job
my good friend.
You rock Dave! Happy Thanksgiving!
Glad you had a good time Oregon Crow. Happy Thanksgiving to
you and your family also my friend. Always is a pleasure to
hear from you.
Excellent video, hope they solved the lubrication problem👍
Thank you aleu650, glad you liked the show. We certainly
appreciate your tuning in to watch the repair job today my friend.
Dave great job under the circumstances.
That engine took some sustained abuse no doubt , the obviously worked hard and long .
You sounded like your coming down with something - take care of yourself man!
Thank you Declan. So nice of you to drop by and take in the
video today my friend. Yes sir, I am coming down with something,
it's called too much railroad itis..... LOL Actually the voice level
when I made the video was too low, so I used my editing software
to increase volume and that is the weird sound you hear in my voice.
Thanks for showing some more of the engine internals..they're a little bigger than truck diesels! Definitely looks like bad things were happening in there! You have a Happy Thanksgiving Dave! 👍👍
Your welcome Jim, yep a bit bigger, but they pull a bit more
tonnage that a truck does too.... LOL Thanks for showing up
this morning and enjoy your happy meal and family today my friend.
except for needing a crane it was not bad changing EMD 567 and 645 liner, piston, and head, we did test for fuel delution every 30 days (% fuel in the crankcase oil)
They used to test loco oil along with gear boxes on the belt
drives as a regular thing Gary. Then when the company started
scrimping several years ago that got cut out. A very poor
decision to my way of thinking. Very much appreciate your
joining in with us for the home movie today my friend.
I hope the mechanics checked the muffler bearing (lol). A muffler bearing failure could take out the whole engine. A key sign of the failure is when flames shoots out the exhaust (lol) By the way, on the rocker, the copper is the actual bearing material/ The silver is the babbitt under the bearing material. Besides the roller, the the bearing is worn out, Good to see the engine back in service.
Lack of lubrication to a muffler bearing will do it every time Rupert :-)
Thanks for the info on the copper/silver. Really appreciate your
dropping by and checking out the repairs my friend.
@@ccrx6700 i love your videos anf your dedication to your job. If we were all like that, America would be a mean machine. Instead we send it to China. Your company is lucky to have you! I hope they realize it.
@@supercuda1950 ❤️👍😊
Happy Thanksgiving!
Thank you Russell3380. May you and family also have a most
blessed day my friend.
I've pulled parts like that, out of many truck diesel engines, that were not properly maintained.
Proper maintenance being the key words James. Our former owners
knew they were selling and scrimped big time on adequate
preventative maintenance. New owners have brought in some
excellent contract mechanics and they have done a ton of
work on all our locos, with still more to guy, but at least it's
getting done. Appreciate your stopping by and taking in
the video tonight my good man.
I'm learning things about trains I didn't know. I been working on Diesel truck's for 27 years now, but I would love to go inside a EMD 645E3, just once 🙂
@@jamesstrickland631 👍😊
Thanks. Very interesting.
Your welcome Stan. Glad you enjoyed the home movie. We
really appreciate your stopping by and checking out the repair
job my friend.
Previously owned by a little old lady from Pasadena, who only drove it on Sunday.....
That replacement engine was running great when they pulled it out....
Sold without warranty....
HA HA. I bet you have heard those lines before.
Actually when 22 came to us in 1997 it was without warranty.
When it got here there was 50 gallons of water in the crankcase,
also we had to take out the main generator and send it down
south to EMD for rebuild. They did some engine work on it also
at that time but don't remember what all was done. Yankeetown
Dock sold it to us and basically said, Happy Motoring.... LOL
Very much appreciate your dropping in on us tonight and
taking in the show my friend.
@@ccrx6700 A real license plate warranty. As long as we see the license plate leaving the sales lot, that is how long the warranty is.
Engine purred like a cat with all its new parts!
yep and smoked like a dragon. Being in an enclosed space made
the smoke appear more that it really was. Thanks for taking in
the video today.
Probably the first thing to disappear when this unit was delivered new was the service manual. One thing. that is in the manual is how to set up the hydraulic valve adjusters; adjust all the slack out the turn the screw one and a half turns. These units are like the tappets in your car and as far as I know EMD is the only manufacturer that uses them. One trick I use to check if they are still functioning is to let your finger ride up and down at idle speed { and before the oil gets hot}. A good tappet will just move up and down but a defective tappet or one that's not set up correctly will send a shock to the valve keeper.
This engines maintenance has been neglected for a long time, it shows with the signs of contaminated oil everywhere probably due to not changing the oil filters. The oil filter tank has a by pass valve that is likely to be stuck open.
Appreciate your taking the time Kenneth to write in and share that
info with us. Watch my video on Where Would you Spend the Money
to find out why our equipment and track had fallen into a steady
state of disrepair. Last company filed bankruptcy, there was no
money. Thank you so much for taking the time to pay us a visit and check out the cylinder head replacement show. May you have a most blessed day my friend.
@@ccrx6700 This engine is used up. Its patches have patches on them. If sold it would only bring scrap metal price.
Pretty amazing at the size differences between automotive and locomotive. That cam lobe was CLASSIC. An automotive cam lobe is...oh, I dunno...INDEX FINGER-ish in size. By comparson, a Locomotive cam lobe is...oh, I dunno...FOREARM-ish in size... 💥Hehe!
And also Eric there are 4 cams on this engine. 1 for every 4 cylinders.
Really appreciate your joining in with us to check out the
repair job my friend.
@@ccrx6700 I was wondering about that. It makes sense to do it that way on an engine that big. Large ships' engines will often have cams which are segmented for each cylinder.
@@douro20 😊👍
Getting the camshaft out is a pain. I don't know what I would call that insert in the rocker arm assembly. It acts like a bearing but it's pressed in like a bushing.
Thanks for dropping by Gary and checking out the repair job
today my friend.
The effects of deferred maintenance! Did they redo all of the heads? They could probably use a lot of repair, replacement parts. Did they do a top end on all the cylinder banks? I caught that engine 'fogging for mosquitoes 🦟, after plowing the coal and resuming track speed. Lotta smoke!
Thank you very much Thomas for taking the time to watch the video
and share with us your thoughts my friend.
The copper color in the bearing is confirmation that the bearing is worn out and needs replacing. Same with automotive engine bearings.
Thanks for the info Bryan. Very much appreciate your dropping in on
us and checking out the repair job my friend.
Wiped bearing insert. Looks like oil quality but with the roller damage, it was overloaded. Hammered from excess lash.
Rockers are tricky bearing as the speed, load and direction are oscillating. Unlike main bearings which have constant speed and varying load. Wrist pins have similar speed, direction and load variations as rocker arm pivots.
I bet there is a bucket of gritty sludge in the crank sump on that engine.
Thanks Keith for the expert commentary. I bet there is a bunch
of metal stuff somewhere in the oil system. We used to take
oil samples where an outfit came in and tested for metal and
diesel in the oil. But sadly a few years ago our old owners
cut costs way down to bare minimum and did away with that
testing as well as much needed loco preventive maintenance,
stuff like checking lash and so on. So now those poor decisions
are being paid for. Always a pleasure to have you stop by
and write in my friend.
Thanks
You are certainly welcome Charlie. Glad you enjoyed the video.
We are very grateful for your taking the time to visit with us and
check out the presentation my friend.
That was interesting. It must cost the railroad a lot of money to do a repair like that.
Happy Thanksgiving Dave !
Glad you enjoyed Scott. Yes it does cost, but it costs more
when a loco is just sitting there and not able to do anything.
May you and your family have a most blessed Thanksgiving also
my friend.
I can remember when Sperry rail detectors were the only game in town.
Wow wonder how long ago that was? Dr. Elmer Sperry
was the one that developed the internal rail testing and the
then called Sperry cars. We try to get our rail tested twice
a year. Since we are so small it's often hard to get them
to come, but they will try to stop by as one of the companies
happens to be passing thru. Herzog won't come anymore
because we are so small. Very much appreciate your
stopping by and checking out the show tonight my friend.
Very interesting video Dave. A lot of wear on those engine parts, how many hours on those parts?
Thank you Brian, really glad you enjoyed. Always a pleasure
to have your visit and write in my friend. These old locos
here don't have hour meters on them.
HAPPY Thanksgiving
And Merry Thanksgiving to you and your family also Bill. Thank you.
Enjoy your turkey and pumpkin pie.
Happy Thanksgiving Dave 🦃🦃😊.
Battery tool pictures are on your phone 📱. Stay safe.
Richard Bause.
Thank you Richard, got the photos, appreciate that. Hope you
also had a most blessed Thanksgiving my friend.
@@ccrx6700 😉👍🦃🍽
Does anyone know if Fairbanks Morse is still building locomotive equipment? My dad was on submarines and they had 9 cylinder opposed piston F-M engines. Super reliable and bulletproof!
I personally have no idea Mark, but very interesting about the
sub engines. Thank you very much for taking the time to visit with us and check out the video my friend.
Dave, I can't help wondering if all the metal "machined" off the rollers and bridges has a safe escape, so it can be trapped in lube filters before doing further damage. When I see the copper alloy backing material in a bushing|plain-bearing, it's wiped likely with its pivot. That engine should have a much better life-expectancy now.
Your right Jacques. Sadly our last owners knew they were selling
out and scrimped way too much on some things like track
and loco maintenance. We used to have a guy come in take
oil samples for locos and belt gear boxes but they then didn't
want to spend the money on that. Sins of the past are
catching up. However new owners are spending much needed
money on track and loco maintenance now. Always a pleasure
it is to have you visit and write in my friend.
That looked like the valve guides fell off centerline and some of the chips buggared the rod bearings. From here nothing looked out-of-round.
Something like that Thomas, I was not able to talk with the
loco mechanics very long, so didn't find out any real details.
Appreciate your joining in with us and watching the repair job
my friend.
The other part would have to be one of the intake valves or exhaust valves. This engine has at least 5 of them.
Appreciate your taking the time to tune in and watch the
repair job Darryl.
Some of those parts appear to have gotten real hot. don't know diesel engines but do know gasoline ones and the kind of discoloration suggests excessive heat
Very well could have been, am wondering if when the contract
mechanics did their initial inspection while it was running if
they had a heat gun with them. I will ask next time
the come on. Appreciate your stopping by and taking in the video
today my friend.
The buttons on the bridge assembly are like hydraulic lifters in an auto engine ,!
Thanks for the info on that Victor. Really appreciate your
stopping by and checking out the repairs my friend.
Preventive Maintenance schedule could of saved a lot of the damage.
Most likely you are right Bob. Certainly way to much wear.
Thanks so much my friend for dropping in on us and watching
the movie today.
I was a c&nw cedar lake shop electrician but would run the crane for the machinests sd45 645 cu per cyl 20 cyl 3600 hp if I remember right the head stud nuts were torqued at 2400 lb with a torque multiplier totally miss working for the rr everyday was different
Your right, they use a torque multiplier on those crab nuts Gary.
I don't know the exact torque on them but it's a lot for sure. I hear
you on missing railroading. It gets in your blood and you can't
get it out. I'm afraid to retire. Appreciate your taking the time to
check out the video and may you have a very nice day my friend.
Loved watching another great video. Things change minute by minute is right or even second by second 500 times before our shift would even start. Couldn't plan your day at times due to it changing so much by the time you got out of the office each day. Have a great rest of your evening Dave. You and your family have a Happy Thanksgiving also.(Steve)
Glad you had a good time with us tonight Steve. Drives me nuts
too with plans changing all the time, I plan my day out on way
to work and when I get there generally have to make adjustments.
But, that's railroading! Always is a pleasure to have you visit
with me my good friend.
@@ccrx6700 Relate very well on that subject. If your free tomorrow at 6:30PM CDT we have a special premier that will published on our channel Just a heads up.