LONGLEGS and the plight of ELEVATED HORROR. Have defensive fans ruined cinematic discourse?!?
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- Опубліковано 18 жов 2024
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This was a great video, Rob. What you said about challenging filmmakers while maintaining respect for their knowledge and experience is something more people need to hear. Too often people are so focused on arguing or chiming in that they’re blind to how obvious and devoid of insight their response/argument is.
That segment on elevated horror is something I’ve certainly had my own annoyances with. Horror has always had more to say and offer than it’s commonly given credit for. Like the red headed stepchild of cinema.
If you ever want someone to discuss horror with, I’d be there with bells on!
Mr. Carnage Candy in the house. 😍😉
That would be great to get both of you discussing Horror in general. 😎
Let’s DO it!
@@THEBURNETTWORKI think YT deleted my response. lol What’s the best way for us to chat?
@@CodyLeachYTI think you should be able to reach out to Rob over X. That's probably the easiest way. Or the usual other social media platforms. 😉
@@dbdeetsI’m aware but everyone is more frequent to communicate on certain apps and all of them filter a lot of messages into the request folder.
Love hearing from you, Rob. ❤
I 💯 agree that nobody commits more horrible acts than humans. You're spot on with that. We are the monsters.
Funny thing: Bugs Bunny is called Long Legs in Brazil (Pernalonga). So are mosquitoes (Pernilongos).
What makes your channel stand out is I always learn something when I’m watching you ! I never miss an episode Rob ! Thank You
The invitation is very underrated rob thank you for shouting it out!
The Ritual (2017) was a great monster horror film.
Yup.
Agree.
I was also very impressed by the latest Hellraiser (2022) made by the same director.
Never been the biggest fan of that franchise to be honest but that movie was genuinely atmospheric and creepy I thought.
Took the concept of Hellraiser and did something very cool with it. With a proper budget and a killer soundtrack.
One of the most underrated horror movies of recent years.
Thank you for the video... I always find your videos highly enlightening and informative... We need more well versed and knowledgeable people like yourself doing videos like this one... Thanks again...
I really like this show, just nearly one hour and straight to the point, keep it up this way Rob.
Supernatural elements do not need explanation, they need confirmation in universe of the film so not to break the logic of the story, that would be my guess. What I'm trying to say (and quit poorly) is if you have supernatural elements in your story establish it before the climax. For example mentioned The VVitch did it with a kidnapped baby. Nobody knows what or how it happened but it did.
P.S.: I kinda wish they never shoed this scene in them trailers, but the title somewhat gives away what is going on so not a big deal I guess.
Thanks for keeping the horror banner flying Rob! Been watching you since the days of Heroes on Collider’s YT channel. Long live the memory of John Schnepp 🫡
This was beautiful and poignant Robert. Thank you so much for covering this. I agree with everything you said!
Rob, as always, terrific video. I couldn’t agree further about what you said in regards to Paul Schrader or any other professional in the system that speaks out on anything (I personally still can’t believe the vitriol that Scorsese got over his comments about Marvel movies). Haven’t seen Longlegs yet, but certainly plan to this coming weekend (originally I was thinking about Twisters, but have been a little lukewarm with that and after hearing yours and Film Threat’s review of Longlegs, it’s sold me on that). I absolutely love horror films my own self and also think they’re the most involving form of cinema out there. Certainly looking forward to most of what you brought up, though you didn’t mention Eggers’ re-make of Nosferatu (and hoping that might spur a Blu-Ray release of Shadow of the Vampire). And speaking of Facebook… how about accepting my Friend request out there 😊 (oh, I certainly get why you wouldn’t so it’s not a big deal, but what the hell, it’s worth a shot). Thanks as always, and looking forward to your next video.
*I quite enjoy the "opening statement" before we get to the main topic, sets the tone and reminds us to stay open minded*
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Paul Schrader tends to be very toxic with his comments. And by the way, both Tii West and Perkins have explored very different subgenres like psychological.thriller, creature feature, slasher, ghost story, found footage, etc. In a way, I feel that Schrader's idiosyncrasy is narrower and more limiting than the work of the directors he criticizes.
Robservations. You gotta give the short version of the show as well for more success.
I really liked the movie
Oh man aol. Especially the Hollywood tonight chatroom!
I’m looking forward to ‘The Conversation’ 4k transfer myself
To Mr. Schrader, who I vehemently respect, John Sayles who did a very mature drama called City of Industry, Sunshine State, Passion Fish I think; most likey someone Schrader considers a peer and has respect for, wrote Alligator! About an oversized killer alligator! A good writer or director can work in multiple genres and as long as they elevate the genre thats great!
1 - Schrader is wrong, there's not really any oversaturation of horror right now i mean whats out right now? A quiet place? He can go watch a inside out 2 or a Horizon or whatever
2 - Its usually horror fans who bristle at the evelated horror term because its dismissive of a lot of genre stuff we love but we should get over it, it's a useful term and obviously hereditary is striving for me dramatically than friday the 13th was which is not a diss on friday the 13th
*also what's with that article? The Babadook is a ripoff of rosemary's baby? What is he smoking?
Longlegs was terribly overhyped. This and cuckoo were my two most anticipated horror films of this year. The supernatural shit ruined Longlegs for me.
Here’s hoping Cuckoo doesn’t shit the bed later this year
After Longlegs any excitement I had for Cuckoo is gone. I’ll stream it when it comes out on a service I already subscribe to.
@@nickn271 sucks to hear that but I feel you, man.
I saw this movie yesterday. I got drawn in by all the hype and walked out of the movie thinking I got sucked in. I did this with Barbarian, Midnight with the devil and now this. I didn't think the movie was great it was weird and slow at times. Nicolas Cage did his usual screaming and that made me laugh.
Saw the double feature in Canarsie Brooklyn of The Fog & Halloween !!
I didn't like THE CARD COUNTER or DOG EAT DOG, but Schrader did BLUE COLLAR, HARDCORE, LIGHT OF DAY, MISHIMA and many other movies I love.
Man I was gonna watch this, but when the Drinker popped up in the first minute I was like NOPE
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Is rob still on the JCS I skipped a few weeks and haven’t seen him in the last few shows when I check in
A decade is a relativistic thing - it can refer to ANY 10 year span. For example, I could refer to the decade of 1975-1984. More importantly, the common vernacular way to refer to decades is to name them as follows: "the 80's," "the 90's," etc. 1980 is most certainly in the 80's, and not the "end of the decade of the 70's." To say that "the 70's" refers to the years 1971-1980 is just going to confuse 99.99% of people.
Nobody talks about "the 7th decade of the 20th century." If they did, you would be correct (as you are about 2001 being the first year of the 21st century).
Here, let me help you out. 32:09
Also 51:22
Elevated horror is not a real thing. It's a term horror tourists use to make themselves sound knowledgeable because they don't really know the history. Horror HAS BEEN elevated since it's inception. Period.
Yep, elevated horror is just real horror. The current Hollywood mass production, jumpscare shit is NOT real horror.
A litrle disappointed to hear about the supernatural sounding turn in Longlegs but will probably check it out anyway. It supposedly had a great debut and I think will bring Nic Cage career back to prominence. Since Mandy I think a few years back Cage was poised to be the coneback kid. But Maxxxine is a must for me because one word Mia. I loved X and she made Pearl even more watchable but Maxine's character was always the most interesting out of the whole series amd Im a big Grindhouse 70s/80s Exploitation genre guy.
Sadly, I usually don't like elevated horror. I think these type of movies are good at creating a disturbing feel, but that's pretty much it. I think these movies are just pretentious crap that get away with too much nonsense. Directors like Ari Aster and Robert Eggers are great at tension and suspense, but that's also where it ends, just like the entire subgenre. I wish I liked these movies , but it is what is. We can't like everything. But I'm happy for you guys who do enjoy, or even love, them.
Long Legs is a parody and the worst case scenario of 'elevated' horror. Hereditary, Midsommar, X, and Pearl, are all better and more authentic than this piece of garbage.
A lot of people don’t like elevated horror. They are usually divisive films. The Witch, It Follows, Hereditary, The Lighthouse, and The Babadook are my top 5 favorite horror films of the 2010s, but I can understand why someone wouldn’t like them. People are too caught up with what other people think.
Ari did great with hereditary. Is complete. His other movies def suffer from what you mentioned. Ti West is awful...gen z version of art house horror..and is awful.
Technically those four Carpenter films were different genres but they were all kissing cousins living in the same apartment complex.
Thought long legs was pretty poor on reflection.
Where can I send letters, Rob?
Not a huge horror fan, but saw Longlegs yesterday and despite slow pacing, thought it well above average.
Why is it above average?
@@ironbran12 Because it wasn't yet another slasher movie or one with priests and nuns. They've been done to death.
@jadapandy it doesn't have to be. But the female, intuitive detective ...."reveal" has been as well. It's not about three plot so much as the execution. The end act felt lazy and rushed. They kill off what could've been a better used villian for old lady and her satanic dolls......reading that plot line sounds so silly, it's execution was poor. Only good thing was the camera work and editing.
To me the fact that horror dominates low budget/independent cinema, is because of the simple fact that for example, if I make a movie about racial tensions that is a tense drama, selling this would not be easy and not very box office friendly, but if I make a zombie movie, using metaphors to bring up the same heavy subjects, than this is a much easier sell and the writer can hide the tense drama behind the horror, with the financiers being none the wiser. Hence why we get horror films from great cinéaste like George A. Romero, David Cronenberg and Ishiro Honda amongst many.
BTW cineast is pronounced cin-hey-ast, as it comes from the French word cinéaste and the e acute in French is pronounced hey.
Great to know!
I understand what Schrader is saying, but the examples that Schrader gives, Ti West and Oz Perkins seem to be mainly interested in making horror (or horror adjacent fims). I don't get the impression from them that they're stuck in any "horror ghetto" because they don't have any other options. It seems to be where their interests lie. He may have picked the wrong examples. He didn't consider those filmmakers' personal tastes imo.
You didn't mention "Antlers"
Haven't seen Longlegs yet but I plan to this weekend. I've been trying to steer clear of spoilers, but from what you're saying - and what I've gleaned from other non-spoiler reviews I've read and listened to - I'm tempering my expectations going in.
I'm getting the impression that this is like an extremely well shot, but badly written, episode of Chris Carter's Millennium TV series from the 90's - and as much as I liked that show, it wasn't particularly coherent most of the time either.
A Room with No View was my favourite episode of Millennium - outstanding television. And btw Longlegs got better me for as it went along. Only a few minor gripes but maybe I'm too easily pleased.
@@generaIsod I've since seen the film and my original impression was vindicated. A shitty Millennium episode is all this film is. Well shot certainly, but a first draft script.
I'm actually re-watching Millennium now, skipping the second season though. Not because I don't like it, but I'm primarily interested in going through just the episodes that Carter himself had a writing credit on; and that's just the S01 and S03 episodes. I still think the show never got better than that original Pilot episode.
Was one of your minor gripes with Longlegs that this supposed psychic couldn't figure out that her mother was in cahoots with this killer for over 20 years, and the guy was living in her basement the whole time?
@@gordoncutter9241 She was made to forget things in her youth and I think hadn't seen her mother for a good while. Plus not fully or reliably psychic. Didn't realise her bedroom was how she left it etc. The dialogue scenes were a bit weird and slow. Could've cut the runtime by 10 minutes if there wasn't so many long pauses. And the fact she wasn't more freaked out during the home invasion and just calmly sat and opened the envelope.
@@generaIsod I think how much you like this movie is directly proportional to how much you're willing to go with the "not fully or reliably psychic" part. It's very loose - as loose as the script demands it to be, scene to scene.
For myself, I need some hard rules. Some boundaries. I guess you can call it verisimilitude, as Rob is fond of saying.
It's interesting that in Millennium, Frank Black is not originally portrayed as a psychic. They kind of clouded this in the second season, but his original ability was meant to show what can happen when someone like Black - through his own combined experience and innate talent - can get himself into the head space of a suspect; basically his extreme empathy allows him to immerse himself into a state where he thinks and identifies as the killer. He can then "see" what the killer sees. But it was never meant to be supernatural, at least as Carter originally conceived it.
Something that I think is always important to remember about online discourse is that there's a good non-zero chance that the annaymous yahoo I'm arguing with online or who might be talking trash unprovoked could very well just be a stupid 13 year old kid. With that said, i think people have gotten way too comfortable freely spouting off and jumping to the least charitable interpretation possible of what someone says. Part of it probably has to do with the degredation of our social climate and polarization of our culture as our sense of common values, culture, and identity erodes. Part of it probably has to do with the way that social media is driven by engagement and virility which incentivizes saying the most out of pocket things possible (while also self censoring in other resoects to work around the censorship algorithms). Even still, another part of it is probably the psychological phenomenon that became more and more common as more people used the internet called "deindividuation," through which, as I understand it, people lose all sense of self awareness and indulividual autonomy and personal responsibility in crowds. Online, people have a tendency of losing self awareness of the impact of their own actions in their interactions with other people whom they can easily abstract as though they're talking to nothing more than a video game NPC. People act like they can say and do whatever they want anonymously with no impact on themselves or the other people they forget might actually be a real human being they're going after. Similarly, when people are anonymous and under the sway of deindividuation, they're likely much more prone to tribal thinking/herd mentality. Crowds in real life also cause deindividuation, and the reason why people are prone to act out of pocket in a large growd is for very similar reasons why they do online. Crowds can be easily swayed into unhinged tribalistic thinking where people can lose all sense of personal responsibility for their actions. This, perhaps, could be one reason why everyone is so quick to jump to the least charitable interpretation of what someone says possible. People get too married to their own desires, interests, and preferences, so even the slightest comment that sounds remotely critical of anything, even an abstract idea or thing that someone deeply identify with, is often interpreted as a personal attack against some facet of their identity, even if there was no personal criticism being made. So when you see people attacking others for seemingly innocuous comments or those made about abstract ideas, it's often someone (often wrongly and subconsciously) thinking that they're defending themselves and their tribe with which they identify. Other than UA-cam (which I'm not sure is the same thing), I don't go on social media much anymore, but for times when I do, I've long come to a personal policy not to say anything to anyone that I wouldn't say to them in person. If I wouldn't say simething out of pocket to sokeone's face, it probably isn't wise to say at all. If saying something could get me punched in the face in person, it's better to pause, use some common sense/decency, and either change my tone or shut up entirely.
I'm really tempted to see Longlegs, but it seems like a special kind of effed up that I might wait or try to see it with friends, lol. The last decade of horror is what got me into horror. I'm still a bit picky, but I love most of the classics of the genre now. It took me until college to dive in, which was right around the time "elevated horror" went into full swing. A lot of horror films over the last decade or so aren't just really good horror films, but great films in general. Get Out, It/It Chapter 2 (though 2 isn't as good as 1), Scream 4, The Witch, The Lighthouse (idk that qualifies as horror or suspense, but cosmic horror seems appropriate), Train to Busan (action horror, but still horror), It Follows, Us, The Babadook, Halloween (2018), A Quiet Place, The Invitation Gerald's Game, The Endless, Tucker & Dale vs. Evil, Cabin in the Woods, Under the Skin, Prometheus (stupid characters bug me, and it's kinda stupid, but I love the scifi), Midsommar, and Doctor Sleep are all very entertaining horror movies that I've enjoyed from the 2010s, and many of them are among my favorite movies of the respective years of their release. I really liked the article. It's well articulated, and I very much agree.
'Longlegs' isn't a horror movie, it's a crime thriller that combines Thomas Harris's two novels 'Silence of the Lambs and 'Red Dragon' into a single film.
No. There's no supernatural element in those movies. Longlegs is a a thriller with supernatural, demonic elements.
@@ktom5262 The only difference is that in Red Dragon the Tooth Fairy killed the families himself over a period of time based on the lunar cycle to transform in to the "Great Red Dragon". You can split hairs but they clearly "borrowed" heavily from Thomas Harris's novels.
@@drgoremd No. There's a fundamental difference. In Red Dragon it's all a product of a very twisted, sick mind of a murderous psychopath. He imagines himself to be Tooth Fairy who transforms into that Red Dragon thing. In Longlegs we are shown a world in which the Devil and probably his satanic sidekick Baal really exist, and have real psychic influence on the behavior and decisions of their victims. It's not about mental sickness of persons with psychological trauma and issues, it's about a real devil and real - not imaginary, satanic dimension of the reality.
Horror and Indie go hand in hand since horror is a genre that directors can go a bit more crazy with all the while having the freedom to do so without as much Producer fiddling.
I’m not a fan of the term elevated horror. Seems demeaning to all other types of horror films. Sometimes movies that yearn to be elevated can get stuck their own ass a little and forget to have a focused story.
Comedies work better with an audience
Rob I honestly think Nicholas Cage as long legs was Actually another victim of santains grasp on the town. In a way it was like we were supposed to be along tmfir the ride for a throw back 90e thriller that got hijacked by Satan him self (lending the reasoning behind use of spliced edits throughout): I think Nicholas Cage embodies exactly the reaction the audience is having. Yes he sounding giddy but he also showed signs of outer torment. I think long legs the character opened something and had falliied to close is and all who were connected to him in one way or another were also under some kind of demonic possession. I can honestly say this film had un speakable evil hiding secretly using the characters and pushing the narrative into absolute chaos. I only say si because I've recently seen a few films from neon and iz good Perkins that actually touch on this. Also late night with the devil notably played with this idea lf u read my ridiculous comment please provide comments thank u for taking time to watch this gem of a movie
rob more excited to see what is a woman 2
Longlegs spoilers below…
I knew Longlegs was going to have supernatural elements and it still disappointed me. The ending just sucked.
If you’re going to make elevated horror don’t fill it with characters that fit in a regular horror movie.
I don't think that it is a horror, and the ending of it doesn't really make sense considering the characters in involved
Uhg, did not like paranormal activity, and i dont like found footage in general. Thr only found footage frenachise ive enjoyed is Hell House LLC, man that made me poop my pants the first time ive seen it. Did not like the vvitch, although I did think it was an interesting European folk horror film love most A24 films, in all genres
The modern fans along with the Harry Knowles wannabe modern film joirnalists,modern film critics,novice genre filmmakers,self entitled producers such as kathleen Kennedy,super overhyped filmmakers such as Quentin Tarantino,Rob Zombie,Eli Roth,Mike Flanagan,and Ari Aster,super overrated film stiduos such as LIonsgate,Miramax,and A24,film sites such as Blogspot and Letterboxd,and editors such as Fangoria's Phil Nobile Jr. have pretty much helped ruins films,film culture,and film fandom as both nerd ego and geek ego have practically taken over and soured everything that is genre celluloid related as they have dumb downed the fans and treat them as though they're dumb-dumbs while drving away the intelligent fans of the past,as we'll see if LONGLEGS paves open the gates to much better quality genre films.
I'm not into horror. If I want to see something horrible, I visit a website about Taxes.
Hahahaha open your mouth
Same. But for some reason I do like religious horror like The Prophecy series lol.
So....
Ya but that would be real. This is a movie for entertainment. See the difference 🤯
As a first time viewer of this channel, might I offer a slight bit of criticism, I almost did not make it to the meat of your content because it takes almost 10 minutes for you to arrive at the point promised in the headline. There is so much unecessary preamble.
Rob is better on other people shows. His podcast be boring 😅.
I really don't see what people see in Get Out. It's a completely stupid and extremely racist movie (bl supr-ist, not wh- supr-ist) with idiotic characters and absurdly lame story.
For me, horror is not horror without the supernatural element. So I don't see slasher movies as horror, except Halloween, as Michael Myers is clearly supernatural to me, or if not, the movie has totally that weird element that I find essential to horror. So The VVitch and The Lighthouse for me are clearly horror movies. I think the difference between elevated and low-level?!? horror is not the artsy element, but the fact they're really scary and horrific, instead of comical, like The Conjuring or The Nun (Oh my god, it iz Da Nuhn!).
I think you'd have to class Tobe Hooper's Texas Chainsaw Massacre as horror and certainly one of the greatest films of the genre. But you're right, the definition is blurry. I've even seen Taxi Driver referred to as 'horror'. Yet to see Longlegs so can't comment.
Long legs….Don’t care about the performances or that it wasn’t that scary. This movie is a terrible film and a complete waste of time and money. The writing and dialogue and the the 3rd act was abysmal. This is amateur stuff. The bar is so low in horror movies is the only way k could see people really liking this movie.
Am i watching a biden press conference? Rob just babbling. Can someome do a wellness check pleae ?!!
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