Long Range 60GHz airFiber 60 LR Setup and Testing
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- Опубліковано 25 сер 2024
- The Ubiquiti airFiber 60 LR is a long range 60GHz point to point (PTP) wireless bridge device. What does that mean exactly? It means it can shoot a network or Internet connection really far...really fast. Up to 1.8Gbps to be exact, and up to 12km (7.5 miles). In this video, we set up a pair of airFiber 60 LR's and see what kind of speeds we can get.
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Just set up a 53km PTP straight over Phoenix using AC5 gen 2. It won't win any speed tests, but it's working for what we need it.
Wow with just the AC5's...impressive!
Wow must have some good elevation to reach that distance
@@mrmotofy It goes from 1500ft on one end to 2700 ft on the other. Phoenix is a giant bowl so everything is below those two points.
The Station without the dish looks a bit like a Showerhead doesn't it?
Exactly
It showers you with RF LOL :)
That was my first thought
Very weird "LNB" design but yes.. lol
I just came here to post that comment and you beat me to it!
I love the timing on this. I just installed a set of the GBE-LRs for a 2km link. For the most part, they are identical, except the GBE-LR's lack the distance capabilities of the 60LR. The precision alignment mounts are awesome, as well as their surge protectors. I'm excited to see these getting a little love on the channel.
A volunteer at a non-profit and the plan is deploying this as a back up link to the underground fiber.
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Would like to see a video on the AF60's with a 5Ghz fail-over setup.
Same here! Though, I could almost make it myself as I have a pair of them. I have taken them out of the box, but I haven't co figured them yet. Bought them to get network/internet access to a building about a mile away from a farm's main office.
How does OSPF work?
@@El3andro You're going to want to do a basic networking course, but here is the wiki: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_Shortest_Path_First
It's essentially a interior gateway protocol used for dynamic routing within internal networks, dynamic as opposed to static routes.
Yes please !
super clear and comprehensive. Thank you very much for all the tests and details
I set up two airMAX GigaBeam Long-Range 60 GHz Radio today and ran a simulation on the Ubiquiti tool. I have to pray that my line of sight looking at trees from the ground is skewed and that the planning tool has it right. I did a 19m test in my yard, and it worked perfectly as expected/
2:01 sniper (and-in) me would completely agree w/ you, the great precision (among others skills) is needed to dial-in (honing) a target 😎 dish 😎
Hey Chris,
Just got a 10km link up and its amazing! real game changer. 62-63db signal and pushing 1.7Gbps in both directions. Just gonna have to wait and see how it does during the rain.
I usually have no issues with PtP links, but this took at least 3hrs for me to get both sides aligned by myself. Can't wait to get ahold of the Ptmp they just released in EA
Hi Gigaair, how does it behave during rain?
I am trying to do four 10km links and have gotten NOWHERE. What tools do you use to point them? Any help would be greatly appreciated!
@@netlink9267 AAT Alignment tool. works really good if you are aligning them yourself
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Country selection box is completely greyed out because it has GPS inbuilt and it's taking country name directly from dish's coordinates..
I would love to see a video on how to set up a Point to Point radio link, similar to this one (but this link could also incorporate a back-up link as well). I would also like to know how I could then go about incorporating OSPF routing into this setup. I would also be very interested in learning if I could use OSPF (or something similar) to also incorporate two Internet connections (for both load balancing and failover) into my home Network. :-)
A router running PF Sense would probably handle most of it for you.
I have experience handling this with mikrotik it works well
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Would be good if you could a video on the 5Ghz fail over setup with OSPF. That sounds quite interesting. Would be pretty easy to fail over jsut blocking the 60Ghz radios.
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Very good dish
Any chance you can review the AirMax Gigabeam LR?
There is no videos on that product. You’ve done the building PTP. Talk about the differences between the Airfiber version.
Thanks
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No, that thing is from your shower, or did you swipe your neighbors shower head? LOL! and that bowl looks exactly like our salad bowl, AH, NO, I got one of those, so I got my Point to point mixed up with my bathroom and kitchen.
A few comments: First off, you said it was full duplex. I suspect you'll find it's actually half duplex, but switches direction so fast it appears as full duplex, just like WiFi. This is sometimes referred to as "ping pong". As for no power adjustment, in many areas automatic power adjustment is mandatory, so that the minimum amount of power is used, so as to reduce interference potential. You also mentioned using OSPF to connect a 5 GHz fallback link. You might consider spanning tree or, better yet, shortest path bridging. While spanning tree allows for only one of the links to be used at a time, SPB allows both. This could provide a bit better bandwidth.
BTW, I have worked with short haul microwave a few times over the past 30 years.
Si muore piano piano con queste frequenze
It's very hard to know which wireless bridge to choose because there's so many options and no general overview videos that I could find. Would love to see that video made Chris.
Just as a general statement, the higher the frequency, the faster data can be transferred but that comes at the cost of connection reliability and range at a given power. The focus of antenna also has an effect on range as well an antenna focused with 120degrees of coverage is going to cover less distance than one focused at 45 degrees. Think of it like a flashlight vs a laser pointer. I'm no RF engineer but that is my basic understanding.
Wherever there is buffering, we'll be there
Any chance you can show us your OSPF configuration? More specifically, how you did it, as the edgerouters do not make that a simple process. UDM > EdgeRouter > AF60/NanoBeam, just not a simple setup. Worth a video for sure.
Thank you for this video
Love the fiber optics desk mat, Chris. Thanks for the content!
Doing actually a similar test with the 24 GHz PtP AirFibre. I hope to have less interference from WLAN in domestic ares compared to the 5 GHz version.
24ghz is terrible for distance
Yes of course you should try and break the range record if you have the means to do so. Something you never specifically mentioned, what would you say is the minimum distance that this is the best product for?
Extremely useful video
Excellent content. About the 5ghz redundancy --- what magnitude of weather will break or slow the 60ghz over, let's say four miles? Would a light rain effect that? What about a torrential downpour? I would like to avoid the costs of course for redundancy if the 60ghz will handle light rain. And it doesn't have to maintain super high speed, just reliable decent throughput during mild rains over four miles.
How does 60ghz do on penetration for trees? Does it have to be a perfect LOS or can it go through a few / lines of trees?
Hoping that this technology will be usable one day to save me from the awful existence that is Spectrum upload speed.
It’s perfectly useable and has been for awhile now
Please can you indicate what ubiquiti switch did you use for the 2nd airfiber that will receive internet connection?
What is the maximum distance for PTP?
I can't complain about Ubiquiti for ease and of use and pretty good performance. But one thing I don't like it's their hardware. It's powder coated steel and it rots on salty enviorements. Also their screws are regular screws. If they upgraded to aluminum and stainless hardware it would be 10 out of 10.
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Very nice. I am new to this and have a quick question. How many stations can you have connected to 1 AP? In other words, how many customers can you have connected to 1 AP?
That's cool that has the fail over but if you have to fix them or replace them the internet is still going to be down sense its the same unit.
Same as if your router breaks you will probably be without internet. Yes things break you likely lose internet
I know it says this is two years old but why on the site at least that I first saw from someone it says $1000 each because that’s just crazy
how do you do this alone. how do you do the alignment alone?
Hi Sir, Can we use it for short distance between two buildings.
Tenho um ptp com um par das AF60-LR e quando chove é um caos... elas perdem conexão por causa da intensidade da chuva
Do you need a permit to put one on your building or on a pole on the other end?
Hi sir this Af60-lr Device Frequency Support India?? ptp Distance 6 Km and other one 10 Km any Possibility this support Device?
Nice video
is there a minumim mounting height recomended?
That brain of the operation looks like a shower wand
How many distance this will work better
60Ghz... Better hope it never rains or gets foggy anywhere between that 12km...
A test across a back yard is pretty useless but interesting to see the equipment for that cost.
I am planning to install this in our university, main building and branch. The distance is about 5.5km. My question is what is the configuration on cisco switchport? We have multiple vlans in our local network.
Sir, i want to try 11km ptp using this device. I hope next month can do it. Now i'm using lhg xl ac ptp with ldf AC.
Chris, what is the best unifi outdoor? I live on the lake and i want to go out a little distance , I have fiber from my house to the dock and I want to mount the device there, what is the best?
I'm not familiar with how 60 GHz radios fade in/out. The link could degrade quite a bit without OSPF triggering to the backup link. If 60 GHz fails, and fails quickly, that would work better. But then you run the risk of losing/delaying packets when flipping back and forth frequently. Not something you would want to run a VPN over.
You would use a device that can do IP SLA to test the path across each link to trigger OSPF route updates based on a configured threshold
Hey, great job you are doing over there.
I have a question.
I am setting up a small WISP solution and I already use PBE-5ac-gen2 which am about to finish the installation. However, I want to be able to deliver large packets of data to the location where i am placing my BTS . Where I have 1 PBE-5ac and 3 LAP 120 for distribution. I like to know if I can use AF-60-LR for the main link from my Main core router to the BTS.
Can this device be used for a 15km PtP Solution? If Yes Good but if NO. Please share your recommendation of another UBNT device that can do 15km with 1GB Torughput. I need it for the link backhaul. Thank you
How do you add a 5Ghz backup link? How will the network know to fall back to the 5GHz link? I like the UBB link because 5GHz BU is built in but it’s not full duplex and I need as much bandwidth as possible. I’m in NE Ohio area & I’m concerned about weather interfering w/ 60GHz.
Is it really 802.3at POE for the power? I thought most of the Ubiquiti UISP/airmax stuff was passive POE.
Why was it only pulling kbps??
Great Video. If you set up a point to point to another location with a different ISP can they be set up as a failover in case one ISP goes out?
Yep
i like it
Chris, what is the difference between this and the almost if not identical Gigabeam 60 LR?
I can tell you that the Gigabeam has no functioning SNMP implementation.
Gigabeam LR doesn’t have much range
@crosstalk solutions: Is Unify IPv6 support just "that bad" that you do not mention it in videos as e.g. mgmt addresses. Or are clients "just" not requesting support/set-up contracts with v6 (instead of v4)?
my isp has just fitted one of these on my roof, and when ever it begins to rain my connection disconnects, anyone know how sensitive these are to rain?
Can you use this with a normal dream machine? Or do you need to use the ISP?
i cant even get a mile with these. Is there some kind of setting to give it more power ?
Chris, nice demonstration! A few months ago at a state park in Florida, we set up a 401 meter ptp link using a pair of Gigabeam AC60/5 Ghz APs. Cost was only $130 per AP. My link is mostly across water, but there are trees not far from the signal path. Binoculars and the alignment software made it easy to set up. Although I have an excellent link with a total capacity of 269 Mbps, I wish it was faster. Do you think I should have stepped up to a longer range model for greater speed?
Beware when using Ubiquiti pipe clamps. Although they appear stainless steel, I had two units rust-out and break in two months while within 1/2 mile of ocean. When the AP hangs from Ethernet cable, rain water slides down cable and into connector, shorting it out. Now I'm hoping Ubiquiti will cover it under warranty.
The Ethernet port shouldn’t be facing up for rain to drip down into it, and there’s no way for it to drip down into it if they’re installed properly with a drip loop.
@@phenry5083 Yes, we know that. You missed the fact that Ubiquiti sent very poor quality metal straps that rusted/broke in 60-90 days. Once strap breaks, the AP hangs from Ethernet cord. To repair, we used a much higher quality SS clamp and sunlight resistant nylon ties. Now if metal clamp fails, device might loose precise alignment, but not hang from cord susceptible to rain damage.
@@johnpoldo8817 that’s funny considering I have a few hundred ubiquiti devices all a mile or less from the ocean, all using the factory clamps, and haven’t had a single one rust...... after 3 years of use on most...
@@phenry5083 I think Ubiquiti changed vendors or there was a quality problem. Too bad there isn't an easy way to send a photo of these two rusted clamps. My business partner from Miami had identical comment on 3 years without a problem.
Hey, can this device be used for 15km PtP Solution? If Yes Good but if NO. Please share your recommendation of another UBNT device that can do 15km with 1gb Torughput. I need it for the link backhaul. Thank you
What is the maximum MTU for these devices? I need to be able to use Jumbo Frames.
it's possible 3 antenna setup.
1 AP and 2 Station?
how do you think it would do through some trees?
Do you have a WISP system in operation? I'm wanting to get someone to show me around a working system with customers and a backhaul. I'm considering putting in one in my area.
Also I would love to see what these units will do in heavy rain and snow
Thanks for answering.
Out of curiosity, has anyone experienced a 10mbps LAN connection on the master side?
I learnt a very long time ago, don't believe the distance claims. Comes with power levels usually not legal to run along with degraded throughputs just to get the range. 60Ghz is known as the Oxygen band for a reason.
Backup link on the same device? Not a good idea. If power injector, or a cable, or a unit fails you will be left with loss of connectivity.
How much yout speedtest when testing on 5km distance?
this is possible to philippines and how much?
How does it perform on rainy days?
Can the mtu increase
how mych rf power that puts out?
rains out at 4-5km still,pretty solid at 3km
Solid as can be in monsoon like rains at 7km
Hey Chris, thanks for the video. I've been using RocketDish M5 w/radomes for years now. They run a 5km link over water in a very rainy/windy area in the Pacific Northwest. I was seriously considering upgrading to these new 60GHz radios but you really threw me for a loop when you said they're very susceptible to rain and snow. The biggest reason for looking to upgrade is because the RocketDish M5's with radomes are freaking massive/heavy and I've had one come down in high winds (it survived). Is there a better upgrade path from our RD M5's?
What about AirFibre HD?
Do you need a Dream Machine to set up the devices?
No. You need the air max app.
at -74? does that even count?
Does this device support vlans? I cant find any information for that?
Yes it does.
Really cool p2p links
You talk about the link distance, surely you need to consider a path budget especially in poor weather conditions. You may get 12km on a clear day but what about during a wet winter ? As the 'receive levels fall towards the receivers limit up goes the error rates. Radios should alarm at 1 in10/6 drop out at 1 in 10/3. All symptons when the link hasn't been budgeted correctly for the weather conditions it's used in
We really need an improved low cost 10/100Gbps wired protocol to keep up with the wireless throughput available.
Any idea if this will go through about 1300ft of trees? If not, can you recommend anything that would?
If we add PC/other devices on both sides, how big is the ping between 2 PC/device? Sometimes radio ping is good but the device below is lacking.
Why do they need to know which is the access point side?
every time I’ve set up one of these links, one side is you noted as the access point and the other side is noted as a client, I suppose it’s working somewhat like a regular Wi-Fi connection in that respect. At some point maybe this stuff will be automated.
@@scotthannan8669 if you reversed the roles, would anything change?
@@futurecactus Only thing I have seen is how you set up each end, the actual decision as to which goes where it doesn’t seem to matter too much, but maybe I’m wrong
@@futurecactus Only thing I have seen is how you set up each end, the actual decision as to which goes where it doesn’t seem to matter too much, but maybe I’m wrong wrong
Does it require a license?
No. It’s a unlicensed band.
I am not sure what you are testing here? its like testing a tesla by driving it up and down your driveway.
It'd not work more than 2ot3km don't tell lie we have been using since 7years ubiquiti device
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Can I use my shower head ?
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Lets talk about 60 km or + ...
/DiSrEgArD/ -------> my question as I've tried several times to just run the STARLINK cable directly into AC5-GEN2's AirLink then into a router and it was all buffooned...it's not intended to work that way is the short answer. I still don't know why as it's not like the Starlink nor the Airlink would care seeing the Airlink is just an invisible wire to describe it lightly and in that invisible wire it then gets to a router where it does its WAN==DHCP happiness bla bla bla....
I have a "QUESTION". So I have Starlink Internet and I had to mount my dish to my Barn. Since it's there I ran the Ethernet Cable into my Barns Tack Room, can I run the Starlink Ethernet directly into my Station side of my first Ubiquiti AC5 Gen2 airlink on the barn and over to my house (2nd AC5 Remote side) then into my Router to distribute Internet etc?
Reason I am asking is I installed a TPLink Router in the barn and have Starlink plugged in that (DHCP enabled etc) then it goes through the Airlink where it comes in my house and into a 2nd TPLink router (set as Access Point) and distributes via LAN and Wireless throughout my house. I'd like to eliminate the barn router if possible if it's redundant and not needed!
how are thay at going truh 200-300ft of forest?
You'll be hard pressed to get any WiFi radio to work in those conditions. You'll want to use low frequency (
Far less expensive and far smaller than the Army solution from pre-2009 with much greater bandwidth. I am sure it would require less power and thus less getting up at night to refuel generators to power these devices in the field. We know the Army wouldn't buy these though as it would mean those over O-5 could not go to cush jobs selling crap to the military post retirement for huge salaries.
downside to deplotment is you will need to purxgase 20-60GHz license
u have aged man.