I really respect Iclal - unlike some youtube polyglots she doesn't shy away from the fact that language learning is hard work and commitment (she said she cried and felt sick during the process of learning Russian) and many of her videos are genuinely useful guides on how to set up study plans rather than 'surprising locals' in a few words. She is a true scholar!
As a person who has been learning Russian for years and living in a Russian-speaking country, I can say that İclal is a great example for Russian language learners. She doesn't complain about how difficult Russian is. I admire her approach to language learning. And I can say I should study more for having better Russian.
Even for someone who has spent years learning the language, in a Russian-speaking country....still the mastery of it is daunting! I figured it's because, even though it falls under the same Indo-European lang. family, they are literally a world apart from the Germanic English et al,and the Romance languages. Keeping a clear mind while studying it and persistence are what's necessary.
I don’t know Russian, I only know a few words and phrases that I picked up without even trying to learn them, but the Russian alphabet is very hard to read, even though I know almost all the letters of the Cyrillic alphabet, I cannot process them instantly, and it’s just so hard to get used to it, so I have to think about each letter for a few seconds - I never learn languages with other alphabets, except for Norse and Gothic which used to be written in Runes and the Gothic alphabet, but now they are written with normal Latin letters, plus the Runes and the Gothic alphabet are easier to read, especially the Gothic alphabet, because most Gothic letters look like the uppercase Latin letters, and I am learning a lot of Icelandic / Norse / Dutch / Norwegian / Gothic etc and all other Germanic languages and the 6 modern Celtic languages and Slovene and Galician / Latin / Gallo etc and Hungarian and many other languages!
I highly recommend learning the prettiest languages ever Icelandic / Norse / Dutch / English / Norwegian / Gothic / Faroese / Danish 2gether, as they are way too pretty not to know, and also Welsh / Breton / Cornish etc, which are also elvish and magical and cool like the Germanic languages, and any other languages from my list of languages I want to learn and improve!
By the way, my current levels are... - upper intermediate level in Old Norse / Icelandic / German - writer level in English + native speaker level in Spanish - upper advanced level in Dutch + advanced level in Norwegian - intermediate level in Swedish / Portuguese / French / Italian / Welsh - beginner level in Breton / Hungarian / Gothic / Latin / Faroese / Galician / Danish / Slovene - total beginner in Cornish / Manx / Irish / Scottish Gaelic / Aranese / Elfdalian / Gallo / Limburgish / Occitan / Luxembourgish / Catalan / Urkers / Hunsrik / East Norse / Ruhrpöttisch / Alemannic / Ripuarian / Swiss German / Pälzische Deutsch / Austrian German / Waddisch / Palatine German / Westföälsk Sassisk / Austro-Bavarian / PlatDeitsch / Greenlandic Norse / Friulian / Pretarolo / Sardinian / Neapolitan / Sicilian / Venetian / Esperanto / Walloon / Ladin / Guernsey / Norn / Burgundian / Sognamål / West Frisian / North Frisian / East Frisian / Yiddish / Afrikaans / Finnish / Latvian / Estonian etc (and the other languages based on Dutch / German / Norwegian / Italian / French that are referred to as ‘dialects’ but are usually a different language with different spelling etc) (I highly recommend learning Dutch / Icelandic + Norse + Faroese / Norwegian as they are so magical, as pretty / refined / poetic as English - all other Germanic and the other pretty languages on my list are also gorgeous, so they are all a great option!)
Iclal is really impressive. If she had said she was a native Russian speaker, I would have believed it. She's highly skilled in other languages as well, especially given the fact she's been studying them for a relatively short lenght of time.
If she said she was a native Russian speaker nobody would believe except for you:) she has strong accent and makes mistakes untypical for native. She speaks well for a learner, but no need to exaggerate.
@@isis371 "she doesn’t have a heavy accent" Omg, of course she is. Even Yama has a strong enough accent to quickly realize he's a foreigner. To be honest, even Joseph Jugashvili had a strong accent - but he was fery fluent in Russian. What we call a weak accent is seen in people who have not grown up in a native Russian-speaking environment all their lives. It is impossible for non-native speakers to catch it.
I’m so glad you covered iclal. I’ve followed her for a while now. And I am someone who has been self studying Russian for almost 4 years now and I can’t speak even a little bit as well as she does. She is so impressive and I dream to be as polished as she is one day! 🙌🏾 спасибо большое за видео. Очень интересно!
I'm learning Russian as well. Recently, someone who speaks 3 languages told me that the best way to approach learning a foreign language is to approach it like an infant. Try to keep a clear mind, and the primal understanding comes with it.
Fun fact. Iclal is against this way of learning. She says: you are not an infant, you are a grown up person. So learn like a grown up person! Unfortunately I can't tell you, in which video she said that, but she did.
I think İclal didn't approach it like an infant. Because she said that she spent her time studying Russian grammar quite a lot especially in the beginning of Russian learning process
Truly for basic conversations we use just the same words all over again.. for example I am a Croatian speaker and can't speak Russian so fluently like her but I do understand some really rare, almost never used Russian words because of the same Slavic origin.
As a native Russian speaker I can say that her level of Russian is fantastic. She makes little mistakes in terms of grammar here and there but really - not so many, and it's definitely some C1 level. Her pronunciation is excellent. Yep, I can clearly hear that she is not a native speaker. However, her accent is not strong at all. Super!
Level C is primarily about vocabulary; it is doubtful to gain it in a year. Her grammatical errors are more likely for B1. She does not pronounce complex structures at all.
@@crat82 I have heard thousands of people in my life who have learned Russian, and she is one of the best. As a native speaker, I am not interested in whether she can understand every word of Dostoevsky or talk about nuclear physics. She speaks very quickly, confidently and makes a minimum of SIGNIFICANT mistakes. Her pronunciation is simply superb. I don't know if she would have been able to pass a formal C1 test, but knowing Russian at this level and being able to use it so is an excellent achievement.
@@donrumata_ Pass C1 test? Really? 😏I doubt if she will be able to pass A2 formal test. ua-cam.com/video/iXCecflnzkY/v-deo.html You do understand that describing yourself and your activities in a few sentences is level A1-A2? I'm not sure what do you mean by SIGNIFICANT mistakes but a good B1-B2 assumes having no grammar issues at all. Natives can have B1-B2 as well. Just because you speak fluently and have good pronunciation doesn't necessarily mean you have a C level.
I was very surprised that you didn’t mention that she said поздравляю вам instead of поздравляю вас. Given her great level of Russian, this is a very simple mistake. To me this stood out because it shows that she self studied and didnt learn with a teacher.
haha it's because you're a native speaker and you didn't have russian professors who drilled the поздрявляю вас / желаю вам difference into you😭@@lifeofyama
На первом видео она только начала изучать русский, на всех последующих видео она говорит лучше. И не смотря на такую ошибку всё остальное она сказала хорошо
@@regsha да конечно, я совершенно согласно с тобой, но я просто была удивлена что он ничего не сказал об этой ошибкой поскольку существуют не много и цель видео -- анализ
Она не похожа на носителя языка и акцент у нее очень заметный, но говорит она очень хорошо, ошибается мало и четкое произношение. Для одного года изучения - это прекрасный прогресс.
Я не уверена, она изучала русский язык всего лишь один год. Это невероятный прогресс, но такое возможно только если она полностью сосредоточилась на этом и не занималась ничем другим. Я из славянской страны и даже я не достигла такого уровня за год, несмотря на то что язык мне был ближе
Daha enteresan olan ise iclal rusça dışında 7 farklı dili daha bu şekilde konuşabiliyor. Ben türküm. Rusça çalıştım ama bu kadar öğrenemedim. Bu kız süper zeka ya da özel bir yöntemi olmalı. Sizi ana dilinizi öğrendiğiniz gibi bir yerde yetiştirselerdi, o dili ancak bu şekilde hatasız konuşabilirdiniz.
Bu video niye karşıma çıktı bilmiyorum çünkü rusça ile de ilgilenmiyordum ya de iclal ile de . Ama video sahibini bu kadar heycanlı görmek videonun sonuna kadar gelmeme neden oldu. (I dont know why this video appeared in front of me . Neither ı know anything about İclal nor ı am interested in Russian. But u were talking so excitedly ı watched it until the end
Сомневаюсь, что можно было добиться такого высокого уровня владения языком всего-лишь за год, особенно если это касается русского языка, ведь этот язык оченьсложный..честно, я удивлена, даже если вдруг она немножко нас обманула насчет времени, сколько учила этот язык, это не отменяет тот факт, что она большая умничка, добиться такого результата это очень похвально. Проскальзывало несколько ошибок с ее уст, но не смотря на это, она достойна С1-С2. Если она правда добилась такого результата за год, то думаю через год ей можно будет поставить твердую С2 без сомнений и будет сложно отличить ее от носителя. Спасибо за видео, желаю удачи в продвижении своего канала и своих роликов!
When you already speak a few other languages it becomes easier to learn another (pattern recognization etc). She is also 16, so she probably has a lot more free time to study languages in comparison to an adult. Let’s say you study 4 hours a day, which is extremely doable at that age, you will reach 1460 hours in a year. According to the Foreign Service Institute, it should take around 1100 hours to reach fluency in Russian (for a native English speaker). Since she has learned English at a high level at a young age, and since she knows a few other language, she probably even needs fewer hours. Also, these estimated hours do not take into account different study methods. Someone whose main focus is speaking from day 1 + comprehensible input will reach a different level than someone who’s been studying the language from a textbook as a main source etc.
@@jameezybreezy9030 You are right, pattern recognition IS a major factor. Many words in all the Indo-European languages share similarities. я не работаю sounds similar to Spanish 'Yo no trabajo', for example.
@@Thyruh как это не зависит? Есть градация, за сколько часов изучения ты достигнешь нужного уровня. И хоть ты убейся, если у тебя 1 урок в неделю, через месяц С1 не будет. А вот в день по 3-4 часа - через год-два вполне возможно. Если есть мотивация, конечно.
Hi Yama I’ve been binge watching all of your videos recently and I realized that you keep making this common mistake that even English speakers make, and that is saying and writing pronounciation instead of pronunciation. But I haven’t caught any other reoccurring mistakes, I would think you’re a native English speaker to be honest. Which probably isn’t that great of a compliment if you’ve been living in Canada for years, but just throwing it out there.
Yeah I watch him too and I would love to see his rating on his Russian. I think he's good but I don't speak Russian so I can't tell how good he is to a native speaker.
I have never studied Russian, but I understand almost as good as I understand English as my second language. It easy for me since my native language is a Slavic. But I have problem with Russian I just can not switch my brain to speak Russian. Similar problem I have with Italian. Actual my first "latin" language was Spanish and when ever I want to say somthing in Italian I use a lot of Spanish words.
Do a blast from the past and rate the late, great Moses Mckormick aka Laoshu and his command of Russian. I know he specialized in asian languages but he would speak Russian from time to time and I wonder what you think of his level in that language.
Она говорит очень хорошо. Акцент сильнее всего заметен при произношении интернациональных слов, в них же она чаще всего делает грамматические ошибки. То есть проблема в привычке, а не недостатке знаний. Но она свободно излагает свои мысли и это всего за год изучения языка??? Я в шоке.
Yeah, I don't think she has reached enough vocabulary for C1 in 1 year, and her grammar mistakes though they are rare but more likely are for B1. But she is good, I would say her level might be as good as the peoples of Russia whose native language is not Russian, for example the Caucasian peoples, the accent is also similar
Ты очень скромен по отношению к себе. Знание русского языка у тебя намного выше, как у моего сына, который родился в России и живет в Америке, но каждый день внутри семьи говорит на русском.
Когда я смотрю как иностранцы говорят по-русски, то понимаю что не надо зацикливаться на том, все ли ты правильно произнес на иностранном языке. Просто восщихает как люди учат чужие языки и могут на них донести свою мысль.
Well, I'm not a native russian but I've been surrounded by russians my whole life. I would say her level is solid b2 near C1but she has an accent. I def knew that she's not russian by hearing her speech, but I never seen turks speaking this good russian
@@Jess-737 I didn't say anything about it. Accent has nothing to do with fluency and yeahI Cefr doesn't assess ur accent but if u lived in Russia or any USSR country, u'd know how non-russians getting bullied by not having a good accent.
Actually now I realized that I'm at the same level as her I can make a pretty good conversation in my head but the problem is when it comes to speak to people I get shy and I don't have any Russian friends to practice with , second thing is when people talk very fast I feel my self very stupid because I know all the words but still don't understand 😢that's why I don't make more progress
Yillar önce türkiyede tatil bölgesinde bir hotelde iki türk garsonun rusca tartısmalarina şahit oldum bu cok ilgimi cekti onlari kenara cektim ve sordum neden rusca tartışıyorsunuz abla sen anlama diye söylediler ,dedim ana dili gibi konusursunuz ruscayı nasıl ögrendiniz abla müsterilerden ögrendik ve 4-5 ayda ögrendik dediklerinde onlara hayran kalmıstim😊
Я не согласен с тем, что вы сказали: "у неё как-будто даже нету акцента даже". У неё есть акцент и именно её акцент выдаёт, что она не носитель русского языка. You yourself have slight English accent when you speak Russian.
He also said in another video something like in Serbian Матерњи језик instead of Родной язык for mother tounge. I forgot exactly. My wife who is a native Ukrainian said that you can hear mistakes and accent with the lady and with the guy, he has some slight foreign characteristics. He speaks like he only speaks with his parents and grew up somewhere else.
@@counterfeit9187 quite the contrary) Although you're right about me not being a native. "He don't" is a grammar mistake and anyone who has ever read an english textbook knows it. But natives tend to make this mistake deliberately or not, because many of them, unlike foreigners, don't read english textbooks. And by extension i can say that you are not native too, because natives wouldn't pay mind to such a minor mistake. As for where would I place his accent it's hard to say really. My guess is Finland or somewhere around North Europe.
Как вы оцениваете уровень языка у одного человека только смотря один разговор в одном теме. Она говорит только что она как начинала изучать языки и так далее . 🤔. Я не верю!
She speaks quite basic Russian, but she speaks it with much confidence, like someone who can elaborate well with just some few verbs and nouns (so her skill is that, rather than knowing well the language). And let's be honest, she doesn't use complex grammar at all, but very very basic (A2, beginning of B1, like grammar cases and verbal forms are not on display in her speech at all), though the apparent fluent way of speaking makes it sound higher, not being higher at all, so your evaluation surprises me. You can tell as well that she has memorised the sentences (which are very archetypal and useful for these archetypal conversations which are all the same), and that she has practised those few sentences a lot to make them sound casual. Her actual level of Russian would be only valuable out of such archetypal and prefabricated "conversations" that appear in youtube (I've hear her saying always the same sentences in different videos, and with exactly the same deliberate casual "ticks" in the same parts of the sentences, so I doubt she actually speaks Russian). I mean, I don't speak well Japanese, for instance, but I memorised very well a good bunch of these archetypal sentences in Japanese, and many Japanese people think I am totally fluent in Japanese because I can stay for quite some minutes saying such sentences in such conversations. And that is why I could totally catch that in her. But, there is something much more important to unmask all these frauds that you see in the internet: Biologically, physically, that pronunciation can only be achieved by humans after three years of practise, no matter if you are hyper talented or not, because it is not a question of talent, but of physiology. The mouths and throats of humans cannot get adapted that well to those sounds before three years of practice. So, she has been practising Russian for three years (minimum), and her level of Russian is actually the very normal for that time (I mean her actual knowledge, not these memorised sentences). What would be actually interesting is to make a video investigating the psychological patterns of all these people that need to convince so badly to other people that they are hyper talented, with all these tricks, and so on. There are better ways to gain self esteem that cheating on people. Of course she, and others, have talent and are intelligent, but not so so much as they want to pretend... (btw, your need to evaluate the level of other people as a not-so-hidden way of bragging or re-affirming your own level of Russian is quite a subject of psychological evaluation too).
Interestingly when we started to talk about her childhood when she thought that everybody should speak Turkish and she began watching movies in different languages she instantly started to make a lot of mistakes. It seems like she did not rehearse this part of the conversation and suddenly she showed her real level of knowledge. It is still very impressive but it is not C1 for sure.
These types of videos I consider harmful because they place unrealistic expectation on learners. I do not believe for one second this is C1 Russian. That cannot be evaluated from such a small portion of talking. It strikes me as this is a trick. Yes its well done I am sure but this is closer to acting than speaking a language.
Проблема таких видео в том, что они записываются на максимально примитивном уровне владения языком. Создаётся видимость того, что человек знает язык, но на самом деле он использует максимально простые и примитивные конструкции предложений и такую же лексику. Чуть сложнее - и уже заметен ворох ошибок. Так что нет, русский она не знает, а всего лишь может говорить на какие-то бытовые темы. Что, впрочем, уже неплохо, учитывая, что она много языков учит. Но и перехваливать её не стоит.
I would love to hear you rate David Gemello, an Italian from Turino who doesn't claim to speak a dozen or more languages like many but is thorough, thoughtful, understated and the languages he speaks, he speaks well. His Podcast Italiano is excellent. He studied Russian formally in university so should be different from those who are self-taught even though Russian may not be the language he uses most frequently these days. You can see him speaking Russian here ua-cam.com/video/a09edQ9ijo4/v-deo.html and other places easily accessible as well
Davide got the C2 in Russian and even said "I got help from the examiners, I'm not that great I could have a C1 though" An Italian who speaks English or any non-romance language is a national hero and he speaks both more than well.
Я думаю здесь хороший B2, помимо акцента все еще существую грамматические ошибки, ну и сами предложения довольно примитивные, так же чувствуется что почти в каждом предложении используется строгий порядок слов, что не особо естественно
Кстати, хороший поинт насчет порядка слов… Я (как носитель) внимания особо не обратила, потому что не очень долго слушала ее. Но это реально факт - порядок слов в натуральной русской речи постоянно варьируется. Иногда сложно даже сказать, от чего это зависит. Когда порядок все время один и тот же - это звучит ненатурально. Словно робот немного :)
Mmm.. With all due respect. I think the real test will be doing a "live" and maybe attempting to translate some poetry ;) "Я помню чудное мгновенье..."
Акцент у неё есть, и довольно сильный. Но в общем да, уровень очень высокий. Я б скзал, B2. Чтобы сказать C1, надо было бы послушать её на другие темы кроме изучения языка.
Ну "довольно сильный" понятие относительное, я думаю всё познаётся в сравнении, как по мне чем ближе к тому, как это обычно звучит,тем комфортнее,а она как раз всё произносит достаточно близко и порой не особо отличимо от носителя.
Я бы сказал даже B1 по тому что услышано в видел. Фразы очень простые, ошибки в них довольно элементарные. Если реально оценивать уровень то конечно нужно более сложный материал. Но до С она конечно в любом случае не дотянет, за год набрать словарный запас на С нереально. Разве что у тебя уже B2 и круглосуточно читать Пушкина с Толстым ) Но не с ноля точно.
Здравствуйте! Посмотрите канал chahailus, девушка американка, сама выучила русский язык, причем очень хорошо, говорит с минимальным акцентом, летала в некоторые страны СНГ А еще канал испанки Нурии, где она выкладывает свои домашние задания по русскому языку, правда она училась в России, есть бразилец который отлично говорит по русски, в этом году посещал Россию Сейчас почему то возрастает интерес у изучению русского языка))
У Iclal очень хороший русский, особенно если она достигла этого уровня за один год. Но чтобы вычислить, что она не native потребуется 10-30 секунд разговора. Есть канал Джо и Ева, так там канадец Джо так научился русскому, что минут 5-10 нужно, чтобы заподозрить, что он не native.
Ну, не знаю, можно ли их сранивать. Дэнни живет 11 лет в России, снимается в русском кино. Естественно, будучи окруженным языком, говорит как носитель практически. У Насти муж украинец. Увидела, что Иджаль говорит на 7 языках и 2 еще учит, естественно, на всех языках прямо свободно-свободно говорить ей сложно
I admire this girl, she's extremely talented and dedicated, but his comments on her russian don't reflect the reality. Although her progress in language is very impressive, but it's not impeccable at all, she does mistakes often enough. And she is not near the native level of pronunciation and grammar. But her understanding and fluency are just great.
Жесть, оценивает уровень по куску из интервью и акценту Нужна объективная оценка, нестандартная ситуация, а не скрипт, который она рассказывает по 10 раз
Хорошее замечание, но тем не менее она вероятнее всего довольно-таки хорошо знает русский. Скорее всего у неё малый словарный запас, но она хорошо знает структуру.
Russian is just much harder than anyone could imagine I have been(and still) struggling learning this language for years So she had done a great job 👏🏻
I'm not a Russian speaker at all but I can tell she is absolutely amazing. People would line up if she had a course and/or lessons in learning languages. She is otherworldly at learning languages. Props to her. I hope she comes up with something to share how she learns like that.
во-первых, Лука шпарит покруче, она его не переплюнула. во-вторых, даже у тебя акцент ближе к нативному, хотя ты явно русским владеешь не как основным*
I really respect Iclal - unlike some youtube polyglots she doesn't shy away from the fact that language learning is hard work and commitment (she said she cried and felt sick during the process of learning Russian) and many of her videos are genuinely useful guides on how to set up study plans rather than 'surprising locals' in a few words. She is a true scholar!
As a person who has been learning Russian for years and living in a Russian-speaking country, I can say that İclal is a great example for Russian language learners. She doesn't complain about how difficult Russian is. I admire her approach to language learning. And I can say I should study more for having better Russian.
I totally agree. I was mesmerised by her pronunciation
Even for someone who has spent years learning the language, in a Russian-speaking country....still the mastery of it is daunting! I figured it's because, even though it falls under the same Indo-European lang. family, they are literally a world apart from the Germanic English et al,and the Romance languages.
Keeping a clear mind while studying it and persistence are what's necessary.
I don’t know Russian, I only know a few words and phrases that I picked up without even trying to learn them, but the Russian alphabet is very hard to read, even though I know almost all the letters of the Cyrillic alphabet, I cannot process them instantly, and it’s just so hard to get used to it, so I have to think about each letter for a few seconds - I never learn languages with other alphabets, except for Norse and Gothic which used to be written in Runes and the Gothic alphabet, but now they are written with normal Latin letters, plus the Runes and the Gothic alphabet are easier to read, especially the Gothic alphabet, because most Gothic letters look like the uppercase Latin letters, and I am learning a lot of Icelandic / Norse / Dutch / Norwegian / Gothic etc and all other Germanic languages and the 6 modern Celtic languages and Slovene and Galician / Latin / Gallo etc and Hungarian and many other languages!
I highly recommend learning the prettiest languages ever Icelandic / Norse / Dutch / English / Norwegian / Gothic / Faroese / Danish 2gether, as they are way too pretty not to know, and also Welsh / Breton / Cornish etc, which are also elvish and magical and cool like the Germanic languages, and any other languages from my list of languages I want to learn and improve!
By the way, my current levels are...
- upper intermediate level in Old Norse / Icelandic / German
- writer level in English + native speaker level in Spanish
- upper advanced level in Dutch + advanced level in Norwegian
- intermediate level in Swedish / Portuguese / French / Italian / Welsh
- beginner level in Breton / Hungarian / Gothic / Latin / Faroese / Galician / Danish / Slovene
- total beginner in Cornish / Manx / Irish / Scottish Gaelic / Aranese / Elfdalian / Gallo / Limburgish / Occitan / Luxembourgish / Catalan / Urkers / Hunsrik / East Norse / Ruhrpöttisch / Alemannic / Ripuarian / Swiss German / Pälzische Deutsch / Austrian German / Waddisch / Palatine German / Westföälsk Sassisk / Austro-Bavarian / PlatDeitsch / Greenlandic Norse / Friulian / Pretarolo / Sardinian / Neapolitan / Sicilian / Venetian / Esperanto / Walloon / Ladin / Guernsey / Norn / Burgundian / Sognamål / West Frisian / North Frisian / East Frisian / Yiddish / Afrikaans / Finnish / Latvian / Estonian etc (and the other languages based on Dutch / German / Norwegian / Italian / French that are referred to as ‘dialects’ but are usually a different language with different spelling etc)
(I highly recommend learning Dutch / Icelandic + Norse + Faroese / Norwegian as they are so magical, as pretty / refined / poetic as English - all other Germanic and the other pretty languages on my list are also gorgeous, so they are all a great option!)
İclal'in Rusça konuştuğu videoları bir araya getirmişsin teşekkürler. İclalciğim seni de tebrik ederim, başarılarının devamını dilerim.
I’m a Russian and I know this girl. I must say she’s a real genius. She speaks really good Russian, I was shocked when I’d heard it for the first time
J̌ķ3oei381wp20🤣😘😃😂🤩
Iclal is really impressive. If she had said she was a native Russian speaker, I would have believed it. She's highly skilled in other languages as well, especially given the fact she's been studying them for a relatively short lenght of time.
If she said she was a native Russian speaker nobody would believe except for you:) she has strong accent and makes mistakes untypical for native. She speaks well for a learner, but no need to exaggerate.
she doesn’t have a heavy accent but indeed she does have an accent and no one would believe she’s native
@@МаусГастон I think it is just a joke.
@@isis371 "she doesn’t have a heavy accent"
Omg, of course she is. Even Yama has a strong enough accent to quickly realize he's a foreigner. To be honest, even Joseph Jugashvili had a strong accent - but he was fery fluent in Russian.
What we call a weak accent is seen in people who have not grown up in a native Russian-speaking environment all their lives. It is impossible for non-native speakers to catch it.
Это шутка? У нее сильный акцент
I’m so glad you covered iclal. I’ve followed her for a while now. And I am someone who has been self studying Russian for almost 4 years now and I can’t speak even a little bit as well as she does. She is so impressive and I dream to be as polished as she is one day! 🙌🏾 спасибо большое за видео. Очень интересно!
In fact Iclal is a legend.
but she just looks like a typical sümmeye aildfjisdf
Ülkemizin biricik gururusun İclal ❤
Z kuşağından bir cacık olmaz diyenler utansın...
The fact that she was moved to tears shows how dedicated she is to achieve her language goals. *Ad astra per aspera!*
I'm learning Russian as well. Recently, someone who speaks 3 languages told me that the best way to approach learning a foreign language is to approach it like an infant. Try to keep a clear mind, and the primal understanding comes with it.
This is the best advice I have ever heard really.. thank you!
@@borisrijeka3957 your welcome!!!
Абсолютно верно вам сказали. Именно так я и изучал русский язык.
Fun fact. Iclal is against this way of learning. She says: you are not an infant, you are a grown up person. So learn like a grown up person!
Unfortunately I can't tell you, in which video she said that, but she did.
I think İclal didn't approach it like an infant. Because she said that she spent her time studying Russian grammar quite a lot especially in the beginning of Russian learning process
She is awesome but the problem is the topic, maybe if we talk about directions and public transportation in Russian, thats when the level shows up
she got C1 certificate in Russian so I mean she has already showed up her level :)
Truly for basic conversations we use just the same words all over again.. for example I am a Croatian speaker and can't speak Russian so fluently like her but I do understand some really rare, almost never used Russian words because of the same Slavic origin.
Your quality keeps improving, great video
She will be so glad when sees this critic. Nice video bro, keep up the good work!
She posted you on instagram!
just saw, thanks for letting me know haha
The best video yet!
As a native Russian speaker I can say that her level of Russian is fantastic. She makes little mistakes in terms of grammar here and there but really - not so many, and it's definitely some C1 level. Her pronunciation is excellent. Yep, I can clearly hear that she is not a native speaker. However, her accent is not strong at all. Super!
Level C is primarily about vocabulary; it is doubtful to gain it in a year. Her grammatical errors are more likely for B1. She does not pronounce complex structures at all.
@@crat82 I have heard thousands of people in my life who have learned Russian, and she is one of the best. As a native speaker, I am not interested in whether she can understand every word of Dostoevsky or talk about nuclear physics. She speaks very quickly, confidently and makes a minimum of SIGNIFICANT mistakes. Her pronunciation is simply superb. I don't know if she would have been able to pass a formal C1 test, but knowing Russian at this level and being able to use it so is an excellent achievement.
@@donrumata_ Pass C1 test? Really? 😏I doubt if she will be able to pass A2 formal test. ua-cam.com/video/iXCecflnzkY/v-deo.html You do understand that describing yourself and your activities in a few sentences is level A1-A2? I'm not sure what do you mean by SIGNIFICANT mistakes but a good B1-B2 assumes having no grammar issues at all. Natives can have B1-B2 as well. Just because you speak fluently and have good pronunciation doesn't necessarily mean you have a C level.
Ой ну прямо, вы прикалываетесь?
@@crat82 she passed the C1 Russian exam last month along with 4 more C1/C2 exams in other languages - stop hating :)
This girl is Google translater
😂
I dont speak russian at all but i love binging your videos.
I was very surprised that you didn’t mention that she said поздравляю вам instead of поздравляю вас. Given her great level of Russian, this is a very simple mistake. To me this stood out because it shows that she self studied and didnt learn with a teacher.
Спасибо for pointing that out, sometimes I just miss things 🙃
haha it's because you're a native speaker and you didn't have russian professors who drilled the поздрявляю вас / желаю вам difference into you😭@@lifeofyama
На первом видео она только начала изучать русский, на всех последующих видео она говорит лучше. И не смотря на такую ошибку всё остальное она сказала хорошо
@@regsha да конечно, я совершенно согласно с тобой, но я просто была удивлена что он ничего не сказал об этой ошибкой поскольку существуют не много и цель видео -- анализ
Ana dilimi konuşurken bile bu hatayı yapabilirim
Она не похожа на носителя языка и акцент у нее очень заметный, но говорит она очень хорошо, ошибается мало и четкое произношение.
Для одного года изучения - это прекрасный прогресс.
Нереальный.
Anadili değil, İclal türk ve türkçe konuşuyor
так она такая одна на миллион, никто не учит язык за один год.
Я не уверена, она изучала русский язык всего лишь один год. Это невероятный прогресс, но такое возможно только если она полностью сосредоточилась на этом и не занималась ничем другим. Я из славянской страны и даже я не достигла такого уровня за год, несмотря на то что язык мне был ближе
@@cro_lok2363 Она одновременно немецкий учила. У неё все признаки гениальности.
as a turkish person and also a russian learner i love iclal!!!! she motivates me sm
Уау о_о После такого мне становится стыдно за себя, это будет один из самых умных людей на планете, если она продолжит изучать языки.
Изучение языков не делает тебя автоматически умнее...
Не будет хоть все языки выучит
Daha enteresan olan ise iclal rusça dışında 7 farklı dili daha bu şekilde konuşabiliyor. Ben türküm. Rusça çalıştım ama bu kadar öğrenemedim. Bu kız süper zeka ya da özel bir yöntemi olmalı. Sizi ana dilinizi öğrendiğiniz gibi bir yerde yetiştirselerdi, o dili ancak bu şekilde hatasız konuşabilirdiniz.
Bu video niye karşıma çıktı bilmiyorum çünkü rusça ile de ilgilenmiyordum ya de iclal ile de . Ama video sahibini bu kadar heycanlı görmek videonun sonuna kadar gelmeme neden oldu. (I dont know why this video appeared in front of me . Neither ı know anything about İclal nor ı am interested in Russian. But u were talking so excitedly ı watched it until the end
она звучит естественно. акцент не мешает ничему
впечатляющий и вдохновляющий пример
она не всегда ставит где надо ударение а так всё рк
Сомневаюсь, что можно было добиться такого высокого уровня владения языком всего-лишь за год, особенно если это касается русского языка, ведь этот язык оченьсложный..честно, я удивлена, даже если вдруг она немножко нас обманула насчет времени, сколько учила этот язык, это не отменяет тот факт, что она большая умничка, добиться такого результата это очень похвально. Проскальзывало несколько ошибок с ее уст, но не смотря на это, она достойна С1-С2. Если она правда добилась такого результата за год, то думаю через год ей можно будет поставить твердую С2 без сомнений и будет сложно отличить ее от носителя. Спасибо за видео, желаю удачи в продвижении своего канала и своих роликов!
When you already speak a few other languages it becomes easier to learn another (pattern recognization etc). She is also 16, so she probably has a lot more free time to study languages in comparison to an adult. Let’s say you study 4 hours a day, which is extremely doable at that age, you will reach 1460 hours in a year. According to the Foreign Service Institute, it should take around 1100 hours to reach fluency in Russian (for a native English speaker). Since she has learned English at a high level at a young age, and since she knows a few other language, she probably even needs fewer hours. Also, these estimated hours do not take into account different study methods. Someone whose main focus is speaking from day 1 + comprehensible input will reach a different level than someone who’s been studying the language from a textbook as a main source etc.
Правда уровень языка не зависит от времени изучения, так что ставить С2 за то что она выучила за год, то это бред
@@Thyruh так она за 1 год выучила С1 логично что через год до С2 скорее всего дойдёт
@@jameezybreezy9030 You are right, pattern recognition IS a major factor. Many words in all the Indo-European languages share similarities. я не работаю sounds similar to Spanish 'Yo no trabajo', for example.
@@Thyruh как это не зависит? Есть градация, за сколько часов изучения ты достигнешь нужного уровня. И хоть ты убейся, если у тебя 1 урок в неделю, через месяц С1 не будет. А вот в день по 3-4 часа - через год-два вполне возможно. Если есть мотивация, конечно.
Bro, you have a very high level of Russian, I didn’t think that foreigners could have such a level of Russian!
He is native, so he proclaims
Bro your another level very more than C2 ..
Отлично
Hi Yama I’ve been binge watching all of your videos recently and I realized that you keep making this common mistake that even English speakers make, and that is saying and writing pronounciation instead of pronunciation. But I haven’t caught any other reoccurring mistakes, I would think you’re a native English speaker to be honest. Which probably isn’t that great of a compliment if you’ve been living in Canada for years, but just throwing it out there.
I been studying russian for 7 months she speaks better then me 😒
Only 7 months???? I know some people who have been learning russian for 10 years at school but still can't speak like Iclal
This is not a free dialog it is a prepared one
She is amazing ❤
we're proud of you İclal 🇹🇷
Вы оба красавчики.
It'd be interesting to rate this Brazilian UA-camr called Thiago, that decided to learn Russian, from the channel "Vem a mim língua Russa".
Yeah I watch him too and I would love to see his rating on his Russian. I think he's good but I don't speak Russian so I can't tell how good he is to a native speaker.
Турки часто говорят по русски без акцента, если хотят, потому что звуки совпадают по большей части, фонетический ряд.
Wow! This is really impressive! I love the Russian language. I think it sounds extremely beautiful. 😊❤
I have never studied Russian, but I understand almost as good as I understand English as my second language. It easy for me since my native language is a Slavic. But I have problem with Russian I just can not switch my brain to speak Russian. Similar problem I have with Italian. Actual my first "latin" language was Spanish and when ever I want to say somthing in Italian I use a lot of Spanish words.
Do a blast from the past and rate the late, great Moses Mckormick aka Laoshu and his command of Russian. I know he specialized in asian languages but he would speak Russian from time to time and I wonder what you think of his level in that language.
@@ムャlechat Indeed.
Она говорит очень хорошо. Акцент сильнее всего заметен при произношении интернациональных слов, в них же она чаще всего делает грамматические ошибки. То есть проблема в привычке, а не недостатке знаний. Но она свободно излагает свои мысли и это всего за год изучения языка??? Я в шоке.
in the kaufmann video i thought she was russian.....
Я думал, что она - татарка... 😅😅
Immersive translate can work for learning foreign languages. It is just as great and offers learning services. The services are definitely free.
Greetings from TURKEY 😉
You should rate "Bald and Bankrupt".
Лысый говорит как троглодит, но он прикольный
I am barely C1 in my native language (Spanish), hahahahahaha.
Yeah, I don't think she has reached enough vocabulary for C1 in 1 year, and her grammar mistakes though they are rare but more likely are for B1. But she is good, I would say her level might be as good as the peoples of Russia whose native language is not Russian, for example the Caucasian peoples, the accent is also similar
Ты очень скромен по отношению к себе. Знание русского языка у тебя намного выше, как у моего сына, который родился в России и живет в Америке, но каждый день внутри семьи говорит на русском.
Когда я смотрю как иностранцы говорят по-русски, то понимаю что не надо зацикливаться на том, все ли ты правильно произнес на иностранном языке. Просто восщихает как люди учат чужие языки и могут на них донести свою мысль.
0:10 İclal can mean harsh glory by violence
kudos to violation lass
I think Iclal is the best in the world of this area
All eyes on Rafah
У тебя кстати есть тоже небольшой акцент в некоторых словах. Удивительно, часть слов говоришь чисто по русски, часть акцент присутствует.
Well, I'm not a native russian but I've been surrounded by russians my whole life. I would say her level is solid b2 near C1but she has an accent. I def knew that she's not russian by hearing her speech, but I never seen turks speaking this good russian
yes nevertheless it s a big success to speak this fluency in such a difficult language like russian.
@@banana53358 yess but still she has an accent
@@cleverkeily776 yes she has an accent but it s quite normal russian isn't her native language
@@banana53358 yes but it doesn't matter
@@Jess-737 I didn't say anything about it. Accent has nothing to do with fluency and yeahI Cefr doesn't assess ur accent but if u lived in Russia or any USSR country, u'd know how non-russians getting bullied by not having a good accent.
Actually now I realized that I'm at the same level as her I can make a pretty good conversation in my head but the problem is when it comes to speak to people I get shy and I don't have any Russian friends to practice with , second thing is when people talk very fast I feel my self very stupid because I know all the words but still don't understand 😢that's why I don't make more progress
Do a video rating Thiago on youtube and his Russian. He is brazilian.
Look for the polyglot "Luca Lampariello", he speaks something like 14 languages, including Russian
удивил, когда заговорил на русском😂 крутое видео!
I am proud of him❤❤
Of him or of her?
Yillar önce türkiyede tatil bölgesinde bir hotelde iki türk garsonun rusca tartısmalarina şahit oldum bu cok ilgimi cekti onlari kenara cektim ve sordum neden rusca tartışıyorsunuz abla sen anlama diye söylediler ,dedim ana dili gibi konusursunuz ruscayı nasıl ögrendiniz abla müsterilerden ögrendik ve 4-5 ayda ögrendik dediklerinde onlara hayran kalmıstim😊
İnanılmaz bir zeka 4-5 ayda sadece dinleyerek
Я не согласен с тем, что вы сказали: "у неё как-будто даже нету акцента даже". У неё есть акцент и именно её акцент выдаёт, что она не носитель русского языка. You yourself have slight English accent when you speak Russian.
you sure it's "english" accent? He don't sound like american or british.
not slight, i'd say he has a very thick non-russian speaker accent
@@Maltera-fj5ko so where would you place his accent? "he don't" makes you not native either :)
He also said in another video something like in Serbian Матерњи језик instead of Родной язык for mother tounge. I forgot exactly. My wife who is a native Ukrainian said that you can hear mistakes and accent with the lady and with the guy, he has some slight foreign characteristics. He speaks like he only speaks with his parents and grew up somewhere else.
@@counterfeit9187 quite the contrary) Although you're right about me not being a native. "He don't" is a grammar mistake and anyone who has ever read an english textbook knows it. But natives tend to make this mistake deliberately or not, because many of them, unlike foreigners, don't read english textbooks. And by extension i can say that you are not native too, because natives wouldn't pay mind to such a minor mistake. As for where would I place his accent it's hard to say really. My guess is Finland or somewhere around North Europe.
İclal is the best
these are prepared Dialoges
Tebrikler İclal
Как вы оцениваете уровень языка
у одного человека только смотря один разговор в одном теме. Она говорит только что она как начинала изучать языки и так далее . 🤔. Я не верю!
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W video
She speaks quite basic Russian, but she speaks it with much confidence, like someone who can elaborate well with just some few verbs and nouns (so her skill is that, rather than knowing well the language). And let's be honest, she doesn't use complex grammar at all, but very very basic (A2, beginning of B1, like grammar cases and verbal forms are not on display in her speech at all), though the apparent fluent way of speaking makes it sound higher, not being higher at all, so your evaluation surprises me. You can tell as well that she has memorised the sentences (which are very archetypal and useful for these archetypal conversations which are all the same), and that she has practised those few sentences a lot to make them sound casual. Her actual level of Russian would be only valuable out of such archetypal and prefabricated "conversations" that appear in youtube (I've hear her saying always the same sentences in different videos, and with exactly the same deliberate casual "ticks" in the same parts of the sentences, so I doubt she actually speaks Russian). I mean, I don't speak well Japanese, for instance, but I memorised very well a good bunch of these archetypal sentences in Japanese, and many Japanese people think I am totally fluent in Japanese because I can stay for quite some minutes saying such sentences in such conversations. And that is why I could totally catch that in her. But, there is something much more important to unmask all these frauds that you see in the internet: Biologically, physically, that pronunciation can only be achieved by humans after three years of practise, no matter if you are hyper talented or not, because it is not a question of talent, but of physiology. The mouths and throats of humans cannot get adapted that well to those sounds before three years of practice. So, she has been practising Russian for three years (minimum), and her level of Russian is actually the very normal for that time (I mean her actual knowledge, not these memorised sentences). What would be actually interesting is to make a video investigating the psychological patterns of all these people that need to convince so badly to other people that they are hyper talented, with all these tricks, and so on. There are better ways to gain self esteem that cheating on people. Of course she, and others, have talent and are intelligent, but not so so much as they want to pretend... (btw, your need to evaluate the level of other people as a not-so-hidden way of bragging or re-affirming your own level of Russian is quite a subject of psychological evaluation too).
You are right !
I totally agree
You have to take a speaking exam to know her actual russian knowledge
Interestingly when we started to talk about her childhood when she thought that everybody should speak Turkish and she began watching movies in different languages she instantly started to make a lot of mistakes. It seems like she did not rehearse this part of the conversation and suddenly she showed her real level of knowledge. It is still very impressive but it is not C1 for sure.
These types of videos I consider harmful because they place unrealistic expectation on learners. I do not believe for one second this is C1 Russian. That cannot be evaluated from such a small portion of talking. It strikes me as this is a trick. Yes its well done I am sure but this is closer to acting than speaking a language.
Проблема таких видео в том, что они записываются на максимально примитивном уровне владения языком. Создаётся видимость того, что человек знает язык, но на самом деле он использует максимально простые и примитивные конструкции предложений и такую же лексику. Чуть сложнее - и уже заметен ворох ошибок. Так что нет, русский она не знает, а всего лишь может говорить на какие-то бытовые темы. Что, впрочем, уже неплохо, учитывая, что она много языков учит. Но и перехваливать её не стоит.
Нельзя за год так освоить русский. Гениальная девочка.
I would love to hear you rate David Gemello, an Italian from Turino who doesn't claim to speak a dozen or more languages like many but is thorough, thoughtful, understated and the languages he speaks, he speaks well. His Podcast Italiano is excellent. He studied Russian formally in university so should be different from those who are self-taught even though Russian may not be the language he uses most frequently these days. You can see him speaking Russian here ua-cam.com/video/a09edQ9ijo4/v-deo.html and other places easily accessible as well
Davide got the C2 in Russian and even said "I got help from the examiners, I'm not that great I could have a C1 though"
An Italian who speaks English or any non-romance language is a national hero and he speaks both more than well.
Я думаю здесь хороший B2, помимо акцента все еще существую грамматические ошибки, ну и сами предложения довольно примитивные, так же чувствуется что почти в каждом предложении используется строгий порядок слов, что не особо естественно
Текст примитивный, ошибки элементарные. Скорее B1, если не А2. Беглость и произношение показатели так себе для оценки уровня
Кстати, хороший поинт насчет порядка слов… Я (как носитель) внимания особо не обратила, потому что не очень долго слушала ее. Но это реально факт - порядок слов в натуральной русской речи постоянно варьируется. Иногда сложно даже сказать, от чего это зависит. Когда порядок все время один и тот же - это звучит ненатурально. Словно робот немного :)
Mmm.. With all due respect. I think the real test will be doing a "live" and maybe attempting to translate some poetry ;)
"Я помню чудное мгновенье..."
shes very cool 🤩
Акцент у неё есть, и довольно сильный. Но в общем да, уровень очень высокий. Я б скзал, B2. Чтобы сказать C1, надо было бы послушать её на другие темы кроме изучения языка.
Ну "довольно сильный" понятие относительное, я думаю всё познаётся в сравнении, как по мне чем ближе к тому, как это обычно звучит,тем комфортнее,а она как раз всё произносит достаточно близко и порой не особо отличимо от носителя.
Я бы сказал даже B1 по тому что услышано в видел. Фразы очень простые, ошибки в них довольно элементарные. Если реально оценивать уровень то конечно нужно более сложный материал. Но до С она конечно в любом случае не дотянет, за год набрать словарный запас на С нереально. Разве что у тебя уже B2 и круглосуточно читать Пушкина с Толстым ) Но не с ноля точно.
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Здравствуйте! Посмотрите канал chahailus, девушка американка, сама выучила русский язык, причем очень хорошо, говорит с минимальным акцентом, летала в некоторые страны СНГ
А еще канал испанки Нурии, где она выкладывает свои домашние задания по русскому языку, правда она училась в России, есть бразилец который отлично говорит по русски, в этом году посещал Россию
Сейчас почему то возрастает интерес у изучению русского языка))
Не понимаю, с чего ты оцениваешь чей то русский, когда ты сам с акцентом говоришь.
Who is the man in the 3rd video ?
У Iclal очень хороший русский, особенно если она достигла этого уровня за один год. Но чтобы вычислить, что она не native потребуется 10-30 секунд разговора. Есть канал Джо и Ева, так там канадец Джо так научился русскому, что минут 5-10 нужно, чтобы заподозрить, что он не native.
You need to consider that she is a polyglod.She speaks 7 other languages. Not just russian. What about John the canaduan?
Is Russian the hardest Slavic language to learn?
İclal seni seviyoruz !
We love you Iclal !
selam dur :)
What languages do you speak mate?
не знал что некоторые иностранных пытаются изучать русский язык
Нормально говорит, удачи ей
Ну не сказал бы, что её русский прям ВАУ.
Настя из Польши разговаривает лучше, америкашка Дэнни тоже. Вообще много людей.
Ну сравнили, америкашка Дэни сколько лет живет в России. Одно дело когда ты каждый день с носителями говоришь, другое когда нет.
Как же заебало, когда люди начинают сравнивать одних с другими. У всех свой путь. Свои трудности. Своя мотивация
Ну, не знаю, можно ли их сранивать. Дэнни живет 11 лет в России, снимается в русском кино. Естественно, будучи окруженным языком, говорит как носитель практически. У Насти муж украинец. Увидела, что Иджаль говорит на 7 языках и 2 еще учит, естественно, на всех языках прямо свободно-свободно говорить ей сложно
I admire this girl, she's extremely talented and dedicated, but his comments on her russian don't reflect the reality.
Although her progress in language is very impressive, but it's not impeccable at all, she does mistakes often enough. And she is not near the native level of pronunciation and grammar. But her understanding and fluency are just great.
Wow! So many Russian learners!
Жесть, оценивает уровень по куску из интервью и акценту
Нужна объективная оценка, нестандартная ситуация, а не скрипт, который она рассказывает по 10 раз
Хорошее замечание, но тем не менее она вероятнее всего довольно-таки хорошо знает русский. Скорее всего у неё малый словарный запас, но она хорошо знает структуру.
It is a vile accusation! TREASON!
Crazy how she looks at least 30 though 🤔
I'm from Russian and ты правда крутой блогер!
у них всех на этом видео есть значительный заметный акцент. у тебя, бро тоже есть заметный акцент. но это нормалтно
Russian is just much harder than anyone could imagine
I have been(and still) struggling learning this language for years
So she had done a great job 👏🏻
Where is İclallll
She's the Mozart or the Pavaroti sing. Too bad she doesn't want to work in International Relations or Journalism!
I'm not a Russian speaker at all but I can tell she is absolutely amazing. People would line up if she had a course and/or lessons in learning languages. She is otherworldly at learning languages. Props to her. I hope she comes up with something to share how she learns like that.
"Я русскоязычная обезьяана"
Ору
мне одному кажется что движение губ и произносимые слова немного не соответствуют
iclaLEGEND.
во-первых, Лука шпарит покруче, она его не переплюнула. во-вторых, даже у тебя акцент ближе к нативному, хотя ты явно русским владеешь не как основным*
Language simp and Polyglot hahahahaha