The Retro Game with the Most Realistic Sword Fighting?
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- Опубліковано 24 січ 2015
- Most video game designers don't research practical martial arts techniques, and of course they don't have to. "It's just a video game", who cares... Well, some players do. It's nice to also see down-to-earth, realistic animations and reasonably sized weapons every now and then.
People often ask me which game has the most realistic combat, and the obvious candidates that come to mind are Mount & Blade, Chivalry, War of the Roses, and even Dark Souls to a degree.
In my opinion the most accurate representation of real-life sword fights (before the release of Kingdom Come: Deliverance) are to be found in a Ps1 game from 1997, Bushido Blade.
It has 8 different weapons:
- Katana
- Rapier (with an oddly short blade)
- Naginata
- Sledgehammer (not exactly a standard weapon)
- Nodachi
- "Long sword" (really more of a spadroon)
- Saber (basically a Chinese dao)
- "Broadsword" (strange hybrid of a greatsword and a claymore, quite inaccurate in both name, shape and weight)
The duels in Bushido Blade show the importance of correct distance and timing, just like in historical swordsmanship. Wildly flailing the weapon from side to side works well enough in many games (*cough* Skyrim *cough*) but here it doesn't get you very far.
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Man I wish they would make another Bushido Blade.
***** Yes, me too.
***** I love that game. My cousins and I sunk hundreds of hours in to that game together.
***** Bushido Blade 2...it's just a little less pixelated.
Skytalon I meant a modern remake.
Skytalon It never got a PAL release so I cannot play it :(
I am so glad this game is remembered for this. I loved this game and desperately wished other games would follow suit with the disabling of limbs, etc. The idea of health bars that slowly deplete while retaining full movement seemed quite silly after this game. But alas, not many games followed suit. I would love to see Dark Souls with such a mechanic.
The only game that really comes to mind is the deadliest warrior game apart from some silly mini games. You get limbs that can be disabled or outright cut off. Oh! Bio freaks also has detachable limbs but that's no where near realistic😂
As he said in the video, its actually not that realistic to have disable limbs in the middle of a fight. Adrenaline would keep you standing or swinging through the hit. And if you actually got hit hard enough somewhere that you couldn't use physically that limb, you're dead anyways, because that would lead to massive blood loss very quickly.
LOL THEY HAVE GUNS IN THIS GAME?
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2:24 AVGN talking about Time Killers. You got to chop off limbs and it would effect gameplay. Way over the top and sloppy though. It was an arcade fighting game after all.
For a game THAT old, the graphics are actually pretty solid.
Well I think the graphics are enhanced for being on an emulator
lol.. it literally says that when the video of it comes up
I like how he says that it wasn't all about graphics back then before enhancing the graphics.
Tax, Skallagrim may not have had anything to do with those enhancements. Could have been automatically applied by the emulator or the hacked game ROM.
Your butts pretty solid ^_^
please do a video on mount and blade
Mount & Blade: WB may have quite restricted animations and ways to move, but when compared to other games, it's the most realistic one I can possibly think:
- Crushthroughs on mauls
- Shield size actually matters when fighting archers or crossbowmen
- Couching lances
- Chambering
- Cut, thrust and blunt are good against specific armor types
How many games have all that?
I like these moments on multi where you find yourself in a 1 at a mil heroic moment of striking a man with an axe and then throwing the same axe on an other man and stuff like that.
*****
Why does that sound so much like cRPG, ''just slayin' some filthy peasants'? xD Altho it is the best multiplayer mod.
Kebabscout Not to mention you can feint attacks (very common and realistic technique); you have stances: Ochs if you wind up a thurst, Oberhut if you wind up an overhead; weapons have realistic range and speed.
Skallagrim is so wrong on this one.
It's restriction on the moves that makes M&B realistic, you cannot twirl around like in Chivalry, you cannot jump and do weird fancy moves, that is a plus in the realism department.
Son Lam Ho That's true. Of course you can make agility-based build and wear light armor, but that's an easy kill for a lancer.
Mount and Blade, Dark Souls, Chivalry...
Looks like I have a thing for realistic gameplay :D
Same
yes, me too :) i have all of these games Skall mentioned and more :) like Dead Space, Soulcalibur, Counter-Strike, Spyro, Elder Scrolls 4, Pokemon... i like my games realistic.. and unrealistic ^^
***** isnt oblivion quite realistic? Aside from magic of course
Chivalry is really far from realistic imo.
Aside from regenerative health, you can parry a zweihander or maul with a tiny dagger with no issues, you can make the character spin as fast as you want thus getting you an unparriable flurry of strikes, no issue with daggers penetrating a full plate armor ..
Aero248
Not at all
Alelip1000 Actually it's pretty logic if daggers are effective agains armor because of the gaps between the plates
The character with the trench coat looks EXACTLY like Gambit from X-Men
i was thinking that too, some of the female characters reminded me of Mortal Kombat as well
"but thats a topic for another video"
never talks about mount and blade ever again
there's a fucking gun in this game?
how is that fair?
i imagine there were many a friendships tested by this
superfreegoat He is not a playable character at first and has to be unlocked.
ah i see. so wait can any character equip the gun like the other weapons or can only he use it? and can you have gun duels with your friends?
superfreegoat
Only he has the pistol and he cannot use any other weapon.
can two people pick the same character in this game? my friend had this game but i only played it a couple of times. i thought it was pretty fun except for when he climbed up a ledge and wouldn't let me get up there hah
The gun bosses in both games were probably the hardest and most annoying. It didn't help that the first game forced you to fight honorably or fail to progress beyond the first few stages.
I think Overgrowth is kinda realistic when it comes to the combat. I'm not an expert by any stretch of the imagination, but the combat system seems pretty genuine.
Is that game on track for a full release? It's been ages since I gave it a look.
TomatoBreadOrgasm It's in alpha 208. I mean, I don't expect a full release any time soon. But the modding community and the combat always brings me back.
Shir'o Khorshid It's a labor of love, and it shows, but I really hope that love isn't till death do we part, if you know what I mean.
TomatoBreadOrgasm I know exactly. Like the last update was 3 weeks ago I think. If I'm not mistaken, they made the AI more intelligent and more natural. Like it would take them a little bit longer to realize an enemy is nearby. They would no longer home in on you instantly and that makes it easier to use stealth and take them by surprise. Small updates like these are very cool and all, but I need them to work on bigger updates like a story mode (they have been talking about that for a while now). But, it is one of my favorite PC games and I wish the devs (which is like 3 people I think) won't give up on this game.
Cernel Joson Correction: Badass giant rabbit man combat.
Where is the video about Mount & Blade?
Henry Ambrose I wanna find it too ;-;
Same here ;~;
MB warband please
Henry Ambrose Yeah seems we didn't get one.
Only when the Harvest Season arrives!
It was a good game. It should be remade.
My favorite weapon and stance is the Katana in low guard. this offers very little defense as the sword is held behind the player, but offers some great underhanded slashing / lunging combos.
Have you ever heard of a PC game called 'DIE BY THE SWORD'?
This game offers a very realistic combat system called VSIM. where the player has full control over the blade using the numeric keypad. (ie: pressing 6 then 4 will swing the sword from right to left.) (pressing 8 then 2 will swing the sword from top to bottom.)
It is very realistic, as you can decapitate or dismember your opponents. You can even pick up their dropped limbs and weapons and use them to bludgeon your opponents.
Look up "Blade Symphony", its a third person sword fighting game, in an asian setting. There's three stances, and many classes of weapons, but some of the combat is very unrealistic. (i.e. jumping high into the air to perform a spinning move on your opponent) Apart from those kinds of things though, I recommend you review it. Also, my opinion on the combat of "War of the Roses" is a strong one, as I've played hundreds of hours. The weapons are all fully in-game physically, which means they cannot phase through other weapons or armors. It's a game that requires real reflexes and footwork, and it would be awesome if you would review it.
My issue with games like War of the Roses or Mount and Blade is the first/third person character control - you're basically a camera with a sword on the front. There's little consideration of how character moves or is positioned, you just charge up an attack and release in range, then quickly strafe or backpedal away. Ironically that's one of the things I think is very well implemented mounted combat in those games.
i really dislike the swinging wind up, makes no sense and even with fast weapons, the characters move really slow.
Yeah, you should try Blade Symphony. I don't think the animations are very realistic, but the fundamentals seem to be quite right, and it's very fun.
***** Yes, I've seen it but I wouldn't call it "realistic" by any means.
Blade Symphony is pretty flawed in all of the areas Bushido Blade got spot on - a lot of the time Blade Symphony comes down to "death by a thousand cuts" because it's so difficult to land a lethal blow with the relatively slow and clunky animations heavy stance has (let alone a tier 2-3 attack), while some fast attacks are near impossible to react to meaning you always have to be on guard - because of the gamey nature of its combat you can't transition fluidly from attack to defense; while a heavier attack will break through a lighter one, only one weapon can feint out of an attack windup and that weapon for whatever reason cannot guard, so if they simply hit you first your attack will be canceled - and heavy attacks are SIGNIFICANTLY slower, so you have ample time to react and cancel them as they start up if you just play passively.
Bushido Blade had fast, non-flashy (for the most part), fluid animations, and most importantly combat was very lethal. Low lethality and preference for fast spam moves made Blade Symphony overly defensive and forced the devs to add in even more ridiculously gamey stuff like the charge up dash just to get people to play more actively rather than passively waiting for openings. I really wanted Blade Symphony to be the next Bushido Blade when I first saw it, but it's really not.
But beyond all of that, overall I simply can't get behind any sword fighting system where you "charge up" strong attacks - where is the logic that holding a sword above your head longer is going to make you swing harder? If anything your arms will get tired and your swing will be weak.
Huh, I wrote a bit more than I thought I would for a UA-cam comment.
5:29 It's over Anakin, I have the high ground.
Raydan116 you underestimate MY POWER
dalton hastings Don't try it.
oh mah gawd, if they remastered it. my reminiscence will be complete.
Ah Bushido Blade, I remember playing it in a lecture hall at Vaticon in UCD in 1998, standing on the front row of tables, game larger than life on the projector screen. I remember winning a string of fights by dropping in a low stance and attacking high to the head with the rapier right from the start... unless the other player made an immediate defensive action they we're out. So after that every fight began with people hoping backwards out of instant head shot range. Which made for more interesting fights.
Skallagrim says in the video that hits to your dominant hand don't have any result, but if I recall correctly it lowered the power of attacks, non-fatal hits to the head lowered accuracy and hits to the body lowered overall speed.
I might be wrong about that but I remember one fight in which both myself and the other player had selected the two fast but weak female characters, had given them sledgehammers and then had a fight that just wouldn't end.
Once we lost the use of our legs and left arm, and had taken a number of glancing blows to the body, arms and head we just couldn't get enough ummph into the attacks to kill the other player.
I'm a simple man I see bushido blade I click and like
Hadhud He did say he was simple.
you see a comment you like and you copy it
Thanks for bringing attention to this game and giving it so much credit! Bushido Blade is still one of my favorite games ever because of how well it captures the dynamic of real sword duels.
I am so glad you did a video on this game as it was always my go to for people who were capcom fighters (memorized combos etc.) it is a wonderful game.
YES I played Bushido blade and it was the first game I thought of when I saw your title
07:57 'tis but a scratch!
+FirstName LastName I was just about to do that...
+FirstName LastName Just a Flesh wound.
Experienced devs say: it's a feature
I'm glad you reviewed this game as you did. Most people I know haven't even heard of this game. I just recently got this game back. One of my old school favorites.
Much Love for your work! You don't sound old, you sound professional
Bushiido Blade from the PlayStation 1 days was my favorite
I don't remember his name but he was a school boy. And had an all blue uniform
silverchicken20 Ha, sounds like Tsutomu from Bust-A-Groove 2.
silverchicken20 Tatsumi! I loved this game, my favorite was Black Lotus. I need to play it again, now where is my ps1...
I loved Bushido Blade. It's the only fighting game I ever owned. As a competitive game I couldn't get any of my friends to play it, because it was too different from Street Fighter, but the variety of weapons and the combat were great.
is there a way that I can play you online, I have never played a game online before, I love this game. I used to play with a friend with our backs to the tv screen and no music just sound effect and we used to bob marley it and fight, we had some great fights whilst not seeing the screen attacks blocks changing of stances parrying ad then someone would die, we would turn around to see who died, and the reply looked like we were looking at the screen whilst we were fighting, there were even a few double KOs.
I all so love Sega SF" special champion edition 10 stars speed, 10 stars hardness, and no countdown clock.
How could I have forgotten about this game? It was excellent!
My friend and I used to bore my flat-mate to tears as he watched our characters standing off from each other, waiting for the other guy to take a bad step/make a wrong move! Whose nerve would crack first?
Belated thanks for reminding me of this. Now... off to find and install the emulator!
I am so down with this channel.
Triple subbed!
The fighting in Dark Souls is the main reason I got into it.
wel it doesnt really have anything els going for it.
BOB THE BOB Ummmmm
BOB THE BOB Are you serious or trolling?
BOB THE BOB lore
BOB THE BOB level design (one of the best ever)
8:10 bringing a gun to a sword fight still lives on it seems.
dude i can't believe you covered this game! i thought i was one of the few people who knew of it lol i played hundreds of hours on this game back in the day! soo happy to see a video on it!
I guess the game called 'die by the sword' deserves a mention. In advanced mode you actually control the sword arm, weapons do not pass through each other etc. Great game, very unique and devilish difficult. Oh and it hasn't aged very gracefully -.-
But none the less worth checking out.
Chivalry is too arcade-like and gimmicky to consider it IMO. I mean come on, turning around and looking at the sky then doing an overhead is one of the best moves due to the hilariously awful hitboxes and swing timers.
AmazingPaladin Yes, I do have to say that the more I played Chivalry the less realistic it seemed.
Yeah, I have *cough* over 200 hours on Deadliest Warrior, and it's definitely not a realistic fighting simulator, but what makes me enjoy it so much is that it is legitimately skill based. When I started playing I usually got KTDs of like 1-10, but now it's more like 2-1. I just like that you can really learn the mechanics of the game and test your skill against other people who have done the same.
Chivalry turned into a micro transaction fest :(
***** The game devs should be focusing on fixing shitty hit models instead of how pretty your warrior looks.
Alec Cole "fixing shitty hit models" Is absolutely subjective. Make them work.
Great video Skall, loved the ending :p
I'm hyped for a video on M&B from you now :o
Do you have Viking Conquest, the expansion for Warband? There are ship based battles and all that good stuff. Also, are you excited for Bannerlord? Looks like it's going to make improvements across the board.
Viking Conquest is not an expansion, it is just a spin off, like WFaS.
***** is that the case? Huh. My pc is busted atm so I haven't had a chance to get gold of it, so I assumed it was an addon.
***** Its a DLC
Omg...you are so right!!! I had that game and always thought how it came close to how cuts would be in real life! You had to know so many moves to not only attack but move out of the way or block. It even had rebound effect when blocking!!!
I like your idea on consulting for animation, Hema/EA might be a good match
Also the sparing injuries for bushido blade are nice concept to keep
The aspects for a platform would seam more in tune for mmorpg, adding skill grinding, and pvp not to mention the possibility of raid maps and battle tactics, with that in mind who needs a story line 👍🏽
Wrong. Dynasty Warriors for sure has the most realistic sword fighting.
C Vi pff, Sengoku Basara
No way, _Wind Waker_ has the most realistic sword combat (and combat in general.)
Animal Crossing has the most realistic sword combat.
bullshido!
please we all know the elder scrolls online has the most realistic sword fighting
I miss bushido blade. I do hope for a faithful modern remake or clone.
My favorite battle was when a friend was visiting. He took my legs out from under me and I rolled away, and in a moment of desperation I rolled toward him and swung my katana wildly. I tagged him right in the head and ended the fight. We laughed so hard when it happened...
I'm tired of playing games where it takes 5-10 hits to the head to kill a foe with a blade or gun... It's good when implemented well, but in most games enemies are only there to waste your time and the quickly overstay their welcome. If a fight takes forever and your strategy and skill cannot help, the game becomes a painful drag instead of fun. So I appreciate the addition of games where a skillful shot or strategic/tactical exploit will quickly end the fight. Realism in games is great when it serves this purpose, designed to make the game more interesting and fun (instead of more realistic only for the sake of realism).
I'll watch for Kingdom Come: Deliverance; could be a lot of fun. I've also been meaning to try Mount & Blade, War of the Roses, and related games. Thanks for the recommendations, Skallagrim!
Daniel Hale Yeah, I don't like bullet sponges in fps games either. It just makes the weapons feel like toys.
Exactly, that's a really good way to put it.
I remember watching you play (I think) War of the Roses or one of those similar games, and remarking on how *satisfying* it was to see you use a bow or crossbow. Shooting someone with a crossbow mattered; it was devastatingly powerful, as you would expect a face shot to be. Putting a sword or warhammer through their head was equally effective, and you clearly felt like you were wielding a real weapon; likewise, the enemy was a serious threat to you too, and you had to be wise.
Too many games have you tickle fight your foes for around 30 to 60 seconds with a toy sword before they have the decency to fall down. Then you fight yet more identical foes. This goes on and on... Doesn't feel like I'm actually effective or important. Games too often are just stuffed with padding, when they could do so much more with a decisive (and consequently more realistic) combat system.
Daniel Hale Yeah, I remember that one time in War of the Roses I was in a melee with another guy and he had full plate armour and a helmet with a slit for vision. I got really lucky and somehow put my sword through his visor and killed him instantly! It was so satisfying xD
An HD remake or straight-across port of the Bushido Blade games to the Sony PS Vita handheld would be welcome! Sony ported these PS1 favorites (along with others like Einhander) to their PSN store in Japan, but not to the stores in North America or Europe. Come on, share this! Playing PS1 games on the PSP handheld is fun, although the PSP's single awkward stick and only two shoulder buttons can make controlling these PS1 ports difficult. The PSP stick lacks the precision of the PS1 dual stick controller. Play the timed flying levels in Spyro the Dragon and you'll see. But games like Resident Evil 2, Silent Hill, Metal Slug X, etc. work well within the PSP's constraints.
I recently puttered about in Overgrowth with my brother for a bit and had fun with the freestyle fights. That's really all we could do though -- the basic combat system is fascinating, but everything else is apparently very under-developed. It would be neat if they spent a bit of time patching in a quick Bushido Blade style story mode where you take on a series of opponents through a simple narrative.
I love that when I read the title this was the game I thought about, and it indeed, was the one featured. Well played. :3
I really enjoy your take on bushido blade, I played all of this awesome in my hakama :)
Mount and Blade video? I want to see it that's one of my favorite games!
Hi @Skallagrim! I would love it if you can release a video about Mount and Blade. At the beginning I can see that you are playing the Viking Conquest DLC, which combat-wise is definitely an improvement over the vanilla Warband. By the time you released this video (Jan 2015) the Viking Conquest DLC still had a lot of bugs to be ironed out. But now after the release of Reforge edition and updates following that (current version is 2.025) the Viking Conquest DLC has been finalized in all regards and is definitely worth another go if you have only played the pre-Reforged versions.
Best of luck,
CG
I absolutely love this fighting game, so different from any titles that has come before/after this and never been seen since! I really wish out of all the games being remade for next gen gaming, that Bushido Blade can get the recognition it deserves with all the graphical/UI, SFX/speed of gameplay updates it desperately needs.
Just imagine if you could battle online, I think it would be both entertaining yet insane because of the high risk/high reward system of being strategic rather than button smashing. The music is just f-ing awesome and doesn't need to be changed at all. Also the jumping mechanic was so hard to do, but when I did it, it was a miracle to pull off! The 1st POV mode was unique, Slash mode was fun af
OH MAN i cant believe you picked bushido blade! i played the crap out of that game and its still bad ass today!! dudea your the best! i love seeing what character is good with what weapon soo awesome!
Agree Bushido blade was sexy as hell, specially when button smash warriors got killed in one hit over and over again lol.
I'll never forget cartwheel-dodging Katze's bullets as Red Shadow and then sprint-slashing him from a 30 degree angle (thus avoiding the dishonor of a blindside attack) in one fell swoop. Made me feel like an absolute badass.
I'm curious as to why you thought Bushido Blade 2 was a disappointment
Crusty GymSock i know right??? People loved it
Me too.
It's probably because they removed a lot. He seemed to really like going from stage to stage which you can't do in Bushido Blade 2. And you can't take out legs in 2 which he seemed to really like.
I disliked how they removed a lot of the aforementioned mechanics, but I was especially disappointed by the fact that they removed the parry mechanic. They also made it so that the triangle button didn't do anything. Like _c'mon,_ I could at least understand removing parrying if they replaced it with something new; that's a whole-ass button that they just left functionless! Oh, and there were also a few particularly annoying bosses, but otherwise the game was pretty damn enjoyable. They just made some weird and slightly irritating design choices, imo.
Hello, I recently found your channel and have enjoyed watching several of your videos! Great production value and commentary. However, what exactly WAS wrong with Bushido Blade 2? The sword combat with a little more flashy, but the melodramatic story and atmosphere made it fun!
I remember playing this game like crazy when I was a kid, wish they would bring this series back and add a few to the series. Would be great to see this game updated.
got about 1300 hours in M&B wb and I can honestly say while it doesn't LOOK that realistic, the combat is very real. Footwork and knowledge of distance are essential, countering and feinting are a large part of higher level play and blocking, chambering and glancing are supremely important. Oh yea and the damage is based on momentum which is very important.
I cant really explain the feeling I get in a fight when im playing M&B to someone who hasn't played. Theres really nothing but your skill versus the other persons, and its intense and liberating knowing that one mistake and .3 seconds is all it takes for you to lose. Also highly highly frustrating when you just start the game and don't know what youre doing, M&B punishes inexperience very hard, much like real life combat.
Don't even get me started on competitive team battles, that's a whole nother beast the really changes your strategy altogether.
Rolonar absolutely
My favorite game with realistic sword play was, Sword of the Samurai on PS2. With the right style and technique you could kill an opponent with one cut and if you weren't careful, you could also be cut down just as fast.
By far one of the best games I have ever played.
you mean way of the samurai?
Sidipi Gtalover No, two different games.
QuinnTheBirb that game was great too the later games are alright
Hey Skall, thanks for making this video.
I am trying to implement some sort of sword fight simulation and looked up for some realistic games.
My concept was to deliver and block hits from 4 directions (left, right, top, straight) instead of high, middle and low attacks.
What do you think is a better approach?
I'll update some videos of the prototype at my other channel: Dueller Dojo
Nice to see some love for Bushido Blade, a classic!
Hey Skall, in about a year I might start development on a sword fighting game, in a way, to do what Chivalry:MW missed; such as hit detection, no ridiculous matrix-like moves, and one last feature: weapons hitting one another. Would you agree that in sword fights, you wouldn't per say block (chivalry style), but rather strike out and parry the blade of your opponent? Just wondering what your thoughts on that would be!
Miles Beler Yes, I agree, and I should probably make a video about different ways to respond to an attack. And that sounds like a great game development project.
Alright, i'll check that out! Thanks for the response Skallagrim.
I would buy this game from you.
Noah Breedon Haha, well thanks for the encouragement!
you could also consider an option where instead of meeting their weapon and stopping the attack, you hit it in such a way that their swing misses and gives you a short opening to counter attack.
Have you played Nidhogg? It uses a similar thing but with a more minimalistic and platformer style.
Jacq Ares it looks so fun lol
A couple years old now, but definitely check it out. It's got quite the antics, I'd love to see your thoughts on it, Skall. It's pretty entertaining to watch anyone play it.
when are you going to make the mount & blade video. I love that game!
my friend from highschool had a copy of bushido blade. best sword fighting game I've ever played, and loads of fun. We use to play that game for hours.
If you've not heard of Sui Generis, look it up. It's all under wraps for now, but there are backers playing the beta. And it's amazing. Seriously, its physics-based nature makes the gameplay very emergent. It's not entirely realistic, but over and over I'm running into situations that happen exactly as they would in real life.
Imagine much more advanced Sumotori Dreams mixed with Die by the Sword. Yes. It's just great and soon there should be public early access, so everyone will be able to check it out.
The emphasis on distance and proper timing is actually similar to Bushido Blade as well. Damn, I wish SG was more widely known.
Thoughts on For Honor (the upcoming game by Ubisoft Montreal)?
EDIT:
Nevermind I just found your For Honor video - here it is for anyone else interested: ua-cam.com/video/eToVS3ST4WU/v-deo.html
Today is April 10, 2016, and I have a PS2 plugged into my television right now with a copy of Bushido Blade in it and Bushido Blade 2 in the case next to it. My favorite game of all time, and I too really wish someone would remake this or make a third edition.
Today is November 14, 2021, and it's still there.
There was not very well-known 1998 game "Die by the Sword", where you actually move a sword with your mouse. It's mechanic is still quite unique.
Hellish Quart is that game.
fucking love Bushido blade
lisp?
Grand Negus He'd have called it 'Bootheedo Blade" if he was talking with a lisp.
Grand Negus I'd help you out, I'm still trying to figure out why you replied to this with the lisp comment, tho. Nothing he said even inferred a lisp, or an overuse of sibilant consonants, or anything like that.
dictionary.reference.com/browse/sibilant
S is a consonant, not a vowel. A sibilant is a type of syllable that makes the 'S' sound.
Basically a fancy was of saying, "the S sound" ;)
I'm really confused where all this is going or why its happening? :/
Wow. I played this when it was new. One of my favourites. A game that truly deserve being brought up to date.
Omg I used to play this all the time I've literally had dreams of this game and could never remember the name of it thank you so much
Try Mount n Blade + Brytenwalda Mod. They added
Critical strikes which allows for 1 hit kills
Adrenaline - which can heal you during battle (or better say keep you going)
Bleeding - if you get wounded you will start to bleed out - which may cause you to get KOed / "die" without getting hit again
Stumbling
Stamina System - you can run out of steam...and thats really bad ^^
Weapon breaking - which can be quite annoying but realisticly doesnt happen too often but forces you to actually have 2 melee weapons instead of 2 quivers^^
Weather effects that may affect certain weapons like bows
And of course changed damage type of weapons like now axes do piercing damage and can damage people in mail perfectly while swords struggle more with armor
they also made the hitboxes better so an open helmet will count as armor if hit on the helmet but count as unarmored if hit in the face - making aiming more important
well put, great mechanics for a m&b mod, would u recommend it over the viking expansion?
Direito de estar anônimo cant say it yet as i havent played the new expansion yet - i have insalled it but so far prefered other games.
But the new expansion is from the same modders as Brytenwalda so i expect similarities. However the viking exp was made under pressure and brytenwaldda developed over many years so it may not be as huge..
That sounds great! Reinstalling the mod right now.
mount and blade yaaaaaaaaa !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
what you think of the dlc ?
Ahh, good old Bushido Blade. Now I think I'll have to pull them out (both 1 & 2) and give them a play again. I always liked the POV mode & the fact that you could do one shot kills. There was also a game called "Kengo" which is very cool, but it deals strictly with katana so I don't know how much Skallagrim would dig it.
Still one of my favorite games to this day. I need to dust it off and see if it still works.
But how do you end your opponent rightly?
forward, forward, high attack in middle guard the instant it says fight. win the fight in less then a second.
Jonathan Bohn. throw your pommel
That's not rightly. You can't get the true ending like that
Jonathan Bohn he's dead. It's right. Get off the b.s.
Jonathan Bohn up up down down left right left right b a start
Seems when kingdom come is released its going to take the title of "most realistic" quite easily.
Pasan Etternavn Depends all on the battle system
Upvote fore Bushido Blade! Still amazing today. Thanks for the assessment.
OH JEEZ. Thanks for reminding me about Kingdom Come, Skal. Now I won't be able to stop thinking about it for ages.
Dark Messiah of Might and Magic got the best sword fighting imho. It really does have a feeling of mass. Also Dishonored is good.
Chemezov Yuriy yes it is
LETS MAKE A NEW ONE CROWD FUNDED. IM IN!!
I also love the special moves. my fave is the yellow double sword guy, the white quick draw guy, & the ninja guy. XD
I LOVE Bushido Blade. I played it so much when I was younger. I wish we got more of them, or at least more games like them.
lol, I was born the same year this came out. I SHALL END MY FOES RIGHTLY!
A question about a thing that i saw in this video: it's possible in a real duel that both fighters hit the enemy at the same time and they both die? I know that if they are both dumb it's possible, i want to know if it's possible in a real situation with good fighters.
If i remember right it was possible to get a draw.
I think skall mentioned it once in one of his reviews, if your opponent is mid strike and you kill them but fail to guard, it is possible to be killed by the dying mans weapon. that or they both left there guards open wider than than the size of Russia
A good fighter would probably go into a parry as soon as they saw the enemy was attacking, so a double parry would be more likely than a double stab.
That said, duel victors have died the day after from wounds they'd recieved in the fight.
***** Yes, that is indeed possible, even in case of skilled fighters. There are reports of rapier duels for instance where one receives a thrust through the torso and then runs his opponents through with his own rapier.
Keep in mind, thrusts though the torso can be not-immediately-fatal or even all that incapacitating in the short term but kill you within a few minutes from internal bleeding and what not. You see it a lot with small caliber gunshot wounds as well.
Wouldn't be all that hard for somebody to "win" a sword fight and then drop dead from their wounds shortly after.
Thanks. Totally trying this game as soon as I can.
I remember having a lot of fun with this game growing up, though it was a bit broken in a few ways. Some weapons just did next to no dmg and seemed to hit but not kill more than others. One of the worst was the naginata spear like thing. It had this multi stab move that you could spam pretty effectively, it was a some what cheap attack. The thing is it would only wound people for the part and rarely kill. You could chain it one after another, all hitting their chest without a kill. Some times you'd knock them around the map time after time but they just wouldn't die. yet almost any graze from the Katana was a kill.
I think it's a problem with the angle or something and not the weapon. I once had a really long match where I hit the opponent multiple times without killing them. Then in the next match, I killed the same opponent with the same weapon in just one hit.
I loved the shit out of Bushido Blade. Played that for hours. It really needs a modern successor. The going through the stages was about getting the "good ending." The people that you where escaping from where your friends and comrades with in a under ground fighting organization. You had to escape and kill the leader for whatever reason. You have a chase all the way to the sewer and then injure the person so they can't follow, do that right then beat everyone else "honorably" and you will get the good ending.
Bushido Blade was my jam, yo! For years I have been waiting for another game like it.
Hellish quart
I feel you on the graphics. People always make fun of things that come before for how they are. But eventually it gets old enough to become "vintage" or "classic" for some reason, instead of it being good from then to now. My favorite and best pick Final Fantasy 7. I have replayed it many times through out the years. For me, best game ever, dont want a remastered version, perfect as is.
Honestly PS1-era 3D games look like crap. I even thought they looked like crap when they were first released. The polygons are too enormous to ignore, everything is incredibly blocky. 3D games didn't really come into their own, graphics wise, until the PS2 and Dreamcast.
They don't have the timeless quality that 6 bit or even some 8 bit sprites have. The few PS1 era games that actually used 2D spirtes like Darkstalkers looked amazing as well.
Jason Slade I love the blockiness of FF7, wouldnt change it at all. After you start to delve into the game you no longer notice it and the that is what use to make cutscenes so much better. You could sit back and watch and be in awe. Now there really are no more cutscenes and the bastards make me hit buttons during it lol. I agree with you on the ps2, So much smoother and better, (see Soul Reaver series for good comparison) But I really think some thing was Lost when graphics became so much more important. Game makers stopped caring about content. Look at Oblivion to Skyrim, The Final Fantasy series that made it a success to the horrible stuff they do now.
Midwest Mage "Look at Oblivion to Skyrim." Okay, I'm looking. Skyrim is better in nearly every way I can imagine. Its only failings over Oblivion are its weaker main story, and a disappointing lack of Captain Picard.
No way, content wise it falls off a cliff. Oblivion roam the map, find so many different quests. Check that farm house, BAM, magical ice sword after slaying goblins. Follow a river, straight to a group of people run out of their home and need your help. Skyrim has its merits, but the world just isnt filled or at least created to make exploring more satisfying.
and again that was a direct connection to game makers having more time to fill it, because they didnt have to spend as much time making it Look as amazing as possible.
I _LOVED_ this game. So glad to see it covered :D!
skalla, what do you think about combat mechanics in Dark Messiah? It looked pretty good to me
Why is Gambit in this? Strange.
Skall can you comment on Kingdom Come?
+GameSpoon
Other than that it's not released yet. They have announced pommel physics though, quite rightly.
+rchave The game is not realesed but they already have combat in the alpha, and it's pretty damn good.
@skallagrim do you know the game "blade symphony" while not perfect, it seems really good with a few different swords, diff. chars (all with their own styles) and light/medium/heavy attack-stances
I loved this game, I remember getting it cheap from a pawnshop and was impressed how much fun it was, there have actually been a few games with similair concepts, the way of the samurai games had swords with different styles and attacks which was neat, and there was another samurai game set sometime after the meiji era i think that had you pick and choose and basically build your own sword style by selecting different attacks and techniques
Never thought about "Mount & Blade" as a game with 'realistic' fighting. It allways seemed to me that there are many more realistic representations of fencing in videogames. But it turnes out that there is no any, since this 'Bushido' is old and other games that were mentioned are not as good as "M&B" in my opinion. It is wierd and disappointing discovery. :(
Well the main thing that makes M&B combat "realistic" is the way it plays out, making you think about your strikes, momentum, positioning, and forcing you to pay constant attention to what your opponent is doing and be ready to react in a split second.
The actual animations and sword play itself are as basic and clunky as they get, but the mechanics of it do well at imitating how a fight works.
UnknownSquid The animations are very fluent. A big part of the realistic effect is how weapons and hit areas and armor all determine the outcome of each blow. Swing positioning is important. For example, overhead is powerful, but limited in range and slower than a lefthand swing, which is limited in range but less so than the overhead, et cetera. Thrusts are ineffective in some weapons as they glance like they would in real life.
Creeper Astley
Well I didn't mean to say that the animations are poor in quality or anything. And I understand that. Hence why I was praising it for "making you think about your strikes, momentum, positioning," etc.
The actual motions or "moves" involved in the combat are as basic and rudimentary as it gets though. You get only four attack directions with any weapon, and only three with many. And the swings are always precisely the same animation every time, with the combatant always standing bolt upright and with very little use of body weight.
This doesn't mean they're bad. Not at all. They do their job of replicating the highly reactive and fluid nature of a fight perfectly. But you can't deny that it tends to look like a more mobile "rock em sock robots" battle.
It is an intentional and well designed limitation though. M&B was/is successful for replicating how a fight plays out and how it feels. By only providing very limited options, and not over complicating things with more varied animations or attack types, it allows the players to better perceive the fight. You can learn the animation cues for four attacks much easier than you can twelve, and thus actually react to them in realtime. So whilst it's slightly abstracted, visually, the combat flows very realistically.
Hey Skall. Try Deadliest Warrior for the Xbox 360. I "think" you could like it. You can wound an opponent, and there are very different styles.
Andrea Giongiani I did try it (on the PC) and I found it a lot worse than standard Chivalry. First impression at least.
***** uh no. We are talking about different games. The one i am talking about is a one on one fighting game like bushido blade. Look it up as deadliest warriors Xbox live. Srarch for a video on UA-cam at least. Tell me what you think then.
Andrea Giongiani Ah, that one. I thought you meant the Deadliest Warrior version of Chivalry.
***** I agree with Andrea, the Deadlist Warrior fighting game was based almost totally off Bushido Blade except it was updated pretty much exactly as you said you'd like to see happen with Bushido Blade. They mess up some things, and some of the mechanics are unrealistic, but as a whole it is a fun little experience. It's been a while since I've played it, but I believe that they replaced the high-mid-low stances with 3 different weapons that your warrior holds (like the viking gets an axe, his sword, and a throwing spear). There are some historical problems, but oddly enough it seems like the makers of the game actually did their research better than the actual show.
I don't think it's as well polished as Bushido Blade was, but it's fun and worth a look, IMO. The one thing that it improves upon is that it does a much better job as showing when a blow was just a glancing blow (in Bushido I sometimes felt like my hit should have bifurcated a person but they were fine) and even a glancing blow can be fatal after a while since they have a sort of blood-loss meter, so if you take out the guys legs they will die after a few seconds (but if they are good they can still kill you before they bleed out).
***** If he's talking about the Spike Games one, then don't bother man. That thing is a buggy luckfest. You don't actually have any real control over your attacks (you just make high/middle/low attacks and pray that your character obeys) and the fighting and gore are so over the top that it shoots past hilarious in to groan worthy.
I'm so glad you showed some of the second group of fighters. I was beginning to think I was crazy. I got to them once and the guy with the gun got a free kill cause I didn't know what was happening. I got my revenge and fought the other 5 after him, but I have never made it back to them since. How do you get to them? I've always wondered. Is it like a special secret you have to do? lol I actually for a while thought you just had to literally be a perfect fighter and follow the ways of bushido, cause that's what the game always said at the end of the story mode
If you're looking for a newer game with similar fighting mechanics (stances, proper cuts, articulate weapons, etc.), I've found Kengo to be a quite entertaining sword fighting games. Just as you said about Bushido Blade, Kengo also has alot of over exaggerated things for the sake of gameplay (like that rapid 20 stabs in five seconds lol) but it also can be punished with a very severe or fatal attack to the head or chest. Unlike Bushido Blade, you can also bleed to death depending on where you were cut and you can even use evasions or throw your opponent off balance and destroy them. There isn't a huge variety of weapons, but each character has their own discipline and school that you can challenge in the story mode. You can also teach your character the techniques of the school you defeated. The other I was going to say was Deadliest Warriors. Aside from the ridiculous headshot pin to the wall with a Javelin, you can also bleed to death, damage or cut off a limb, various weapons, and depending on how many times you were hit, the severity of the blow, and/or the weapon you were hit with, you will die. Each warrior also has a fatality style attack when your opponent is low on health and will trigger a cutscene in which you brutally kill your opponent upon successfully landing the strike. There's also a stamina bar and your attacks will come out slower and you defenses will be god awful if you run out. If you use the bar completely and try to attack, you lock up and lower your guard. I also love these types of games, so I'm always on the look out. I hope this sparked your interest as much as it did mine.
overgrowth has the best sword fighting
review The Deadliest Warrior video game
@Skallagrim I'd really like it if you could scrutinize some weapons and fighting styles from the Fire Emblem series, namely the Tellius series (Path of Radiance and Radiant Dawn). I love your videos and the insight you offer on fantasy fighting vs. realism!
Ah Bushido Blade, I haven't played that game since I was 7 or 8, I barely remember it, but man it was fun. I need to go find it on PC now, thanks Skallagrim for reminding me of it.
I see your bushido blade and raise you Ni-Oh which is coming out for PS4. Definitely give it a look, Skallagrim. To me, most realistic samurai combat I've seen moreso than Bushido Blade.
BAHAHAHAHAHA are you being serious!!?? That game has high flying fantasy fighting styles man, not even close to realism at all.
Why was bushido blade 2 a disappointment? genuinely curious because i hear the second game improved over it.
Bushido blade 2 by far is a good sequel
I hated 2, the precision was taken away, which killed the game for me.
1 if your block was not perfect then you became of balance, number 2 was not like that.
I love this game I still have it on my PS1 but the computer is rubbish.
Only worth playing against someone who knows how to play the game as well, Japan version, usa version is way to slow.
I wish I could play this online against other people.
Can you do a video on the new combat game this year "For Honor" based on its trailer and gameplay video? I know there wasn't any release for it yet, but I would like your thoughts on its combat style. Especially since they implemented halfswording.
I played this a lot, I also practiced martial arts a lot when this came out and for a good number of years after, it is actually quite good.