I love my motu 828es...the sound quality is excellent. I have a RME UFX also and the sound quality is the same. No real difference. Highly recommended.
I was looking to buy the RME Fireface 802 FS AE USB 2.0 but I honestly don't know if I want to pay $2300 for mixing and sending signal through a mix bus, 2 preamps and an SSL bus. do you think I'm not loosing anything by going with the new MOTU 828.? Thanks
I had Tascam, Steinberg, Focusrite, and UAD for a while before switching to the MOTU 828es, and I don't even miss the UAD, especially now that the plugins can run without their interface. No doubt this version will perform really well. It's rock solid and never crashes.
Bought this interface the day of the release. I then purchased a mint condition Midas analog 32 channel console for the price difference of a RME interface with the same feature. Never had an issue!
Had a Motu MKII back in the Day... Solid az..... Upgraded to an ensemble...... Love it! But , with Apple dropping FW Core Audio support with OSX12, ive been looking into a new I/O.. Was going to go RME, but I think youve just sold me on this.. Thanks.. Subbed.
Hey !Can you help me with a question since you know far more than me?I prioritize ANC and comfort and I have these options;(edifier WH950NB, sony wh750b, 1more sonoflow, anker soundcore q30 and space one)what option is better?you can sugest something else if you know
Hey, thanks for your trust in me! I can absolutely recommend the edifier wh950nb, they have a phenomenal battery runtime, better then average anc and offer anc also for the microphone while in a call. I tested this in my German review over here: ua-cam.com/video/9_G-kFO05jk/v-deo.htmlsi=tRUJ84n_M8J3jxgs You could check the sound comparison and the microphone test. The soundcore also offer good anc, but only for listening, not for the microphone. Although the mic offers good quality audio for your conversation partners. (I'm not officially allowed to talk about that yet, but soundcore "could" present a new pro-series headphone soon... Maybe waiting a few weeks for that could be worth it! 🤫) The Sonys are also good at sound and anc, but a colleague has one of them and complains about connectivity problems when anc is on, which is weird... In deed i often recommend the edifiers, be it the 950 or even the 820nb ( ua-cam.com/video/T65OU1hMz3U/v-deo.htmlsi=NoRfz7Lj1ZbLCfDM ) if you're more on a budget. In deed I use my 820's for hearing protection in my wood workshop and they work exceptionally good for that, besides they do also sound great😅 I don't know the 1more ones, but i have the comfobuds from them, which are good in ear buds, still i can't tell anything about the ones you listed. The wh950nb would be my choice for bang for buck.
@ some users said that the build quality is worse and there is less trust in the French company. I talked to a company that repairs audio equipment. They told me so, it is better to take Motu, since there are problems with Arturia. But this was said about more budget interfaces.
To my understanding the adat connectors are already included in the overall count of in and outs. And also the mic inserts are just inserts for the two microphone channels on the front and no input for microphones. Perhaps you can use the output of an external mic preamp to get it into the 828 through those return jacks. But that would interrupt the signal flow from the 828‘s own mic inputs. At least that‘s how my 828 (even if it‘s an older version) works. I have the older firewire versions from motu. And by versions I mean I also have an Ultralite mk3 which can be daisy chained with the 828 mk3 via Firewire in and output.
I think so too, you're right with the adat's! And the inserts can be used as mic ins (for dynamic mics at least) as long as nothing is plugged into the xlr on the front - also right 😊👍
Good info. MOTU doesn't get enough praise from the UA-cam world, probably because they're not blanketing 1000 channels with things on the day or release. I had an 896HD for 18 years and they only stopped supporting it in 2021 or 2022. It was firewire, but was great. Really $1200 isn't expensive for high quality equipment. I came up in the days of 24 track tape machines that were $30k then. 4 track cassette recorders were hundreds of dollars.
it's a pity that it has only 2 mic pre and no auto gain .....do you know what kind of circuitry does it have the two mic pres? I mean if discrete with transistors or op amps or chips as PGA2500 or THAT etc...?
Nice explanations (and funny)! This helped me understand separate monitor/headphone mixes. Does each new monitor mix require a pair or L/R outs? I have a Motu 624 and was considering the inexpensive (cheap) Behringer ADA8200 to gain extra inputs via ADAT. I believe the 624 has: x2 1/4" guitar ins, x2 XLR mic ins, and x2 (pair L/R or x4 mono) analog ins, x1 ADAT, x2 (pair L/R or x4 mono?) analog outs, and x1 (pair L/R) main out. I'm cornfused about the inputs on the Behringer ADA8200. They are XLR and say mic/in but also have line/in on each of the 8 inputs. Could you pair these for a stereo input, e.g. use 1 & 2 on the Behringer as an L/R pair for a keyboard, or other instrument that has L/R outs?
Is there a smaller version with less I/O but the same versatility and usable as a mixer ? Ultralite mk5 looks kinda similar but I am a little bit worried about the dependency on an app. Would be nice if it was controllable over the midi standard.
Brilliant video, love how you present, sub'd. The only "minor" complaint for my 828 is that the headphone amps aren't suited for my Sennhieser HD 650 (300 ohms).
@@micandcampro I went with Rupert Neve headphone amp using up a line out on the 828. One thing you didn’t mention, make sure any audio software (DP, Cubase, etc.) are set to use ASIO MOTU Gen 5 for Windows users.
At the moment i only have two tiny old Sony speakers connected via a arylic amp. My main speakers are the nubert nupro a600, a discontinued series of active monitors. I made a German review about them here: ua-cam.com/video/XPt4GI4Nv8A/v-deo.htmlsi=6hS0XiC6AkB6p-zx
What's it for? Good question. I see nothing in the 828, that isn't also in the older 828es. As a matter of fact, it lacks a few important features! The 828 comes with only USB2/USB3, on a USB3 connector. The 828 comes with BOTH USB2 on a USB A connector AND Thunderbolt. Will you ever need USB3 speed? Not unless you run audio channels in the hundreds. The 828es comes with a built in talkback microphone, which the 828 lacks all together! No need to waste a valuable Mic input, just for the talkback. In my opinion, the 828 is actually a downgrade from the 828es. Who is it for? Noone! Except maybe a couple of UA-cam reviewers, who gets something to rant about (without mentioning the downsides, lacking features, etc.).
I feel you! I never got around to test the 828es and it seems to be no longer available. Idk why was discontinued and if it also boasted Features like the iPad control function? Although you'll in deed never need USB-3 speed for audio i also think thunderbolt is in no way superior, so I personally don't mind USB-c as well as the lack of the second USB port... The (no longer existing) integrated mic is in deed a downgrade.
@@micandcampro Actually MOTU still lists the 828es on their site, with no indication that it's been disconinued. I still maintain that buying a 828es gives you a better interface, than the new 828 interface. You'll have to scroll down a bit on the products page. I'm sure that MOTO likes to hide the fact that the old interface is a better deal than new one. I've been using the 828es for many years, and if you want it you'll have to pry it from my cold dead hands. 😉Or maybe you could break in and steal it from the rack, when I'm bot around. Perhaps, I should weld it in place. Just to be on the safe side. What do you think?
@@micandcampro Its funny, I am literally the only one who made up this joke a long time ago. Every time I hear the word MOTU, I think of motu cycle lol. Anyways thanks for responding! I own many M Audio Focusrite and E-MU audio interfaces. Never had a MOTU sadly. Maybe the big one I have the garage could count? It's not an audio interface though.
I just used this USB-c cable, because it's red and looks neat on camera. For a live situation you'd be better off using NDI or similar long range solutions. And besides that, especially for a rack mounted - aka stationary - studio device, your cable doesn't have to meet the most durable standards. At least in my opinion...
In the 6 months (or so) of testing this device I only encountered one minor hiccup, that was while using an iPad and a Windows PC at the same time to alter settings in the driver. I changed eq settings on the PC and it didn't update the gui on the iPad. That's it, no further problems here... What were your problems?
I love my motu 828es...the sound quality is excellent. I have a RME UFX also and the sound quality is the same. No real difference. Highly recommended.
Same 828es & RME raydat owner here, no reason to move to new 828
I was looking to buy the RME Fireface 802 FS AE USB 2.0 but I honestly don't know if I want to pay $2300 for mixing and sending signal through a mix bus, 2 preamps and an SSL bus. do you think I'm not loosing anything by going with the new MOTU 828.? Thanks
I had Tascam, Steinberg, Focusrite, and UAD for a while before switching to the MOTU 828es, and I don't even miss the UAD, especially now that the plugins can run without their interface. No doubt this version will perform really well. It's rock solid and never crashes.
Exactly my opinion! 👍
Definitely would love to see a latency test. That is one of the critical things that I look for in reviews.
Bought this interface the day of the release. I then purchased a mint condition Midas analog 32 channel console for the price difference of a RME interface with the same feature. Never had an issue!
Nice 😎👍
Thanks for the video! As someone who wants to build a music studio, I'm very interested in this interface. :D
Had a Motu MKII back in the Day... Solid az..... Upgraded to an ensemble...... Love it! But , with Apple dropping FW Core Audio support with OSX12, ive been looking into a new I/O.. Was going to go RME, but I think youve just sold me on this.. Thanks..
Subbed.
Thanks a lot, great to have you on board! Hope you like the new one as much as the MKII! 🤓👍
Hey !Can you help me with a question since you know far more than me?I prioritize ANC and comfort and I have these options;(edifier WH950NB, sony wh750b, 1more sonoflow, anker soundcore q30 and space one)what option is better?you can sugest something else if you know
Hey, thanks for your trust in me! I can absolutely recommend the edifier wh950nb, they have a phenomenal battery runtime, better then average anc and offer anc also for the microphone while in a call. I tested this in my German review over here: ua-cam.com/video/9_G-kFO05jk/v-deo.htmlsi=tRUJ84n_M8J3jxgs
You could check the sound comparison and the microphone test. The soundcore also offer good anc, but only for listening, not for the microphone. Although the mic offers good quality audio for your conversation partners. (I'm not officially allowed to talk about that yet, but soundcore "could" present a new pro-series headphone soon... Maybe waiting a few weeks for that could be worth it! 🤫) The Sonys are also good at sound and anc, but a colleague has one of them and complains about connectivity problems when anc is on, which is weird... In deed i often recommend the edifiers, be it the 950 or even the 820nb ( ua-cam.com/video/T65OU1hMz3U/v-deo.htmlsi=NoRfz7Lj1ZbLCfDM ) if you're more on a budget. In deed I use my 820's for hearing protection in my wood workshop and they work exceptionally good for that, besides they do also sound great😅 I don't know the 1more ones, but i have the comfobuds from them, which are good in ear buds, still i can't tell anything about the ones you listed. The wh950nb would be my choice for bang for buck.
Thank you for the review.
Arturia AudioFuse 16Rig or Motu 828 (2024)?
I am also looking at these 2 interfaces and can't make up my mind!
@ some users said that the build quality is worse and there is less trust in the French company. I talked to a company that repairs audio equipment. They told me so, it is better to take Motu, since there are problems with Arturia. But this was said about more budget interfaces.
I had to put like for the Spit-DIF port.
Thanks, i hoped somebody would dig it! 😅👍
To my understanding the adat connectors are already included in the overall count of in and outs. And also the mic inserts are just inserts for the two microphone channels on the front and no input for microphones. Perhaps you can use the output of an external mic preamp to get it into the 828 through those return jacks. But that would interrupt the signal flow from the 828‘s own mic inputs. At least that‘s how my 828 (even if it‘s an older version) works. I have the older firewire versions from motu. And by versions I mean I also have an Ultralite mk3 which can be daisy chained with the 828 mk3 via Firewire in and output.
I think so too, you're right with the adat's! And the inserts can be used as mic ins (for dynamic mics at least) as long as nothing is plugged into the xlr on the front - also right 😊👍
So many praise UAD, and they're not bad, but I didn't care for it.
Motu really upped there prices since I last bought one of these (older generation) interfaces 🤔
Good info. MOTU doesn't get enough praise from the UA-cam world, probably because they're not blanketing 1000 channels with things on the day or release. I had an 896HD for 18 years and they only stopped supporting it in 2021 or 2022. It was firewire, but was great.
Really $1200 isn't expensive for high quality equipment. I came up in the days of 24 track tape machines that were $30k then. 4 track cassette recorders were hundreds of dollars.
Liked your review and presentation style, shame you didn't get into the Cuemix 5 mixer's capabilities but thanks anyway.
it's a pity that it has only 2 mic pre and no auto gain .....do you know what kind of circuitry does it have the two mic pres? I mean if discrete with transistors or op amps or chips as PGA2500 or THAT etc...?
Nice explanations (and funny)! This helped me understand separate monitor/headphone mixes. Does each new monitor mix require a pair or L/R outs? I have a Motu 624 and was considering the inexpensive (cheap) Behringer ADA8200 to gain extra inputs via ADAT. I believe the 624 has: x2 1/4" guitar ins, x2 XLR mic ins, and x2 (pair L/R or x4 mono) analog ins, x1 ADAT, x2 (pair L/R or x4 mono?) analog outs, and x1 (pair L/R) main out. I'm cornfused about the inputs on the Behringer ADA8200. They are XLR and say mic/in but also have line/in on each of the 8 inputs. Could you pair these for a stereo input, e.g. use 1 & 2 on the Behringer as an L/R pair for a keyboard, or other instrument that has L/R outs?
Is there a smaller version with less I/O but the same versatility and usable as a mixer ? Ultralite mk5 looks kinda similar but I am a little bit worried about the dependency on an app. Would be nice if it was controllable over the midi standard.
I'm not entirely sure, but I will ask my buddys at klemm and moto about that. I'll get back to you shortly!
I was going to say, MOTU are great when I had to email to ask tech questions.
10:20 I think the headphone section is where it is so that the I/O are on the side of the unit rather then in the middle of the unit
Agreed... Somewhat Cable management I guess... Still ... Should of put the headphones i/o before the Mic pres....Maybe?
I own this also, what was the name of the phono pre amp in the video ?
Brilliant video, love how you present, sub'd. The only "minor" complaint for my 828 is that the headphone amps aren't suited for my Sennhieser HD 650 (300 ohms).
Thanks a lot, welcome to the booth! 🤗 Interesting, thanks for sharing!
@@micandcampro I went with Rupert Neve headphone amp using up a line out on the 828. One thing you didn’t mention, make sure any audio software (DP, Cubase, etc.) are set to use ASIO MOTU Gen 5 for Windows users.
@robainscough right, didn't mention that... I guess sometimes I take a certain amount of knowledge for granted 😅 👍
When Motu Ultralite MK-5 (Cue mix & 74 db preamp input gain) & Motu 828ES had a baby 😂
🤘😅
what speakers do you use?
At the moment i only have two tiny old Sony speakers connected via a arylic amp. My main speakers are the nubert nupro a600, a discontinued series of active monitors. I made a German review about them here: ua-cam.com/video/XPt4GI4Nv8A/v-deo.htmlsi=6hS0XiC6AkB6p-zx
roundtrip latency please 🙏 48k - 32 , 64 , 128 buffer size
i am planning this interface but latency is issue for windows user .
Last I looked it was $999 in the US.
Wow, that's a really good deal! 🤓👍
@@micandcampro
Is that supposed to be sarcastic? Your subtitle says it's $1200, not the $1000 you have in the title.
What's it for? Good question. I see nothing in the 828, that isn't also in the older 828es. As a matter of fact, it lacks a few important features! The 828 comes with only USB2/USB3, on a USB3 connector. The 828 comes with BOTH USB2 on a USB A connector AND Thunderbolt. Will you ever need USB3 speed? Not unless you run audio channels in the hundreds.
The 828es comes with a built in talkback microphone, which the 828 lacks all together! No need to waste a valuable Mic input, just for the talkback.
In my opinion, the 828 is actually a downgrade from the 828es. Who is it for? Noone! Except maybe a couple of UA-cam reviewers, who gets something to rant about (without mentioning the downsides, lacking features, etc.).
I feel you! I never got around to test the 828es and it seems to be no longer available. Idk why was discontinued and if it also boasted Features like the iPad control function? Although you'll in deed never need USB-3 speed for audio i also think thunderbolt is in no way superior, so I personally don't mind USB-c as well as the lack of the second USB port... The (no longer existing) integrated mic is in deed a downgrade.
@@micandcampro Actually MOTU still lists the 828es on their site, with no indication that it's been disconinued. I still maintain that buying a 828es gives you a better interface, than the new 828 interface.
You'll have to scroll down a bit on the products page. I'm sure that MOTO likes to hide the fact that the old interface is a better deal than new one.
I've been using the 828es for many years, and if you want it you'll have to pry it from my cold dead hands. 😉Or maybe you could break in and steal it from the rack, when I'm bot around. Perhaps, I should weld it in place. Just to be on the safe side. What do you think?
install it onto your motu cycle
Man, I didn't see that one coming 😂😂😂 Good one!
@@micandcampro Its funny, I am literally the only one who made up this joke a long time ago. Every time I hear the word MOTU, I think of motu cycle lol. Anyways thanks for responding! I own many M Audio Focusrite and E-MU audio interfaces. Never had a MOTU sadly. Maybe the big one I have the garage could count? It's not an audio interface though.
Mast mast super hai
Too bad it doesn't offer MADI
Does anybody ever use this stuff in a live environment? Your skinny little wires are just like Thunderbolt and USB junk we get at the gas-station.
Thunderbolt cables at the gas station? Doubt.
I just used this USB-c cable, because it's red and looks neat on camera. For a live situation you'd be better off using NDI or similar long range solutions. And besides that, especially for a rack mounted - aka stationary - studio device, your cable doesn't have to meet the most durable standards. At least in my opinion...
Hindi me bataya motu
MOTU drivers are terrible. Buy RME.
Never had a single issue with my 3 x MOTU using TB2
In the 6 months (or so) of testing this device I only encountered one minor hiccup, that was while using an iPad and a Windows PC at the same time to alter settings in the driver. I changed eq settings on the PC and it didn't update the gui on the iPad. That's it, no further problems here... What were your problems?
I second this .. I can plug my rme into a microwave and it will work.. it's my favorite peice of gear in my studio
What are you talking about? Still running UltraLite MK3 from 2010!
And I have RME too. You can have both you know
I have several motu interfaces and they are rock solid. No problems at all. I have no experience at all with RME gear so I can’t comment on them.