JRE: "The HORRORS Of War"
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Joe and Shane talk about the real horrors of wars between countries especially now with social media where footage is rapidly posted online of devastating things happening in countries at war.
Shane Gillis is an American stand-up comedian, radio personality, sketch comedy writer, and podcaster. He is co-host of Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast with fellow stand-up comedian Matt McCusker.
Clip Taken From JRE #1957 w/ Shane Gillis
Host: Joe Rogan
Guest: Shane Gillis
Producer: Jamie Vernon
#joerogan #jre #comedy #funny
Shane is so much more intelligent than most people would give him credit for.
He went to Westpoint to play football, thats one of the hardest schools to get into...even for athletics, you have to be very smart to get accepted.
And he humbly admits when he knows nothing
He doesn’t sound like it.
@@a.j.infowars7582 he is smarter than you peasant
dudes a history buff, listen to his podcast with matt.
“All the war-propaganda, all the screaming and lies and hatred, comes invariably from people who are not fighting.”
-George Orwell
Thank you Joe for calling out these war mongers and their nonstop wars. Let sanity and peace prevail.
Have you tried to spread this message in Russia?
@@anti-emo4721 no because they are either too dumb or a bunch of hypocrites that don't realize that promoting peace in a time where the aggressor is keen on war and not backing down is siding with the aggressor, these are the same people that would victim blame someone who fought back against their aggressor because in their child brains all violence is bad and unjustified.
Since you dickheads like to quote GO so much here have another one.
"Pacifism is objectively pro-Fascist. This is elementary common sense. If you hamper the war effort of one side you automatically help that of the other. Nor is there any real way of remaining outside such a war as the present one. In practice, ‘he that is not with me is against me’."
-George Orwell
Exactly. No way Joe Biden’s , Kamala Harris or any senator or Congressman’s kid will go fight in a war
like `sanity and peace prevail` will stop putin anymore then it did any cynical leader through history. you lot are living in lalaland
It's so hard to make people understand how horrifying seeing that stuff in real life is. People think its like watching Rambo or something.
It's so much worse when it's real.
Source: Four tours through Iraq.
Irak is nothing compared to Ukraine
@@newjones1754 i agree, 2 tours in Afghanistan here, infantry by trade, its wasn't fun, the taliban had an advantage of blending in and really believing in thier fight, but man its not the same as fighting a massive equipped, uniformed military head 2 head.
@@newjones1754 were you there? If you weren't, then how do you know?🤔
War will always be the same, the size, the scale, the people, but the boots on the ground feel the same underneath you. The kick feels the same and it doesn’t leave you.
Cops see it all the time.
Growing up watching war films from the 50s,60s,70s made war look simple sanitised watching the first 15 minutes of saving Private Ryan brought home the reality of war Joe was right let people see the reality of war help to put yourself what it would be like being in that situation
Yeah i bEEN saying for decades, back then like 1924.......u could trick young men to go off to fight, they didn't see sht like us on YT and TV....kinda good in a way....
Maybe we are meant to fight for thousands of years and then 1 day tech gets really good and starts a shift.... Right around Vietnam war even after ww2 ppl started to wake up a bit....
Launch all our nukes into space
You gotta problem with someone? Fight it out on a field....... Man to Man, no weapons....
Not tough or big enough? Don't start a fight....
Ahhhhh BUT there lies the problem. BETA males not strong enough to fight. Look at Oppenheimer and entsein they were frail weak men.....
So..... What do we do? Kill all the Betas.....
Your welcome. Good night folks. Take Care.
It’s all over reddit right now and reddit is filled with liberals, they don’t care.
I was born on air base in Germany during cold war post Falklands. Before my first birthday, WW3 almost kicked off with Russia, the IRA tried to murder me and my dad n his buddies, bombs left at petrol stations etc.. for years my dad checked for shoe boxes under his car! Then aged 6 it was the gulf war, then Africa and Serbia etc mid to late ,90s. Then 9/11 plus 20 year of illegal war now Russian conflict and IRA are back! I've never known life without war, conflict, death etc it's odd the same people tried kill me as a baby now are back too! I don't think I will ever see a whole decade of peace in my life. The fear of maybe soon becoming a war refugee myself as a British citizen because Russian escalation is scary. Sad times. We was supposed to have learnt from our mistakes in the past. 2 world wars 2 nuclear bombs and still we can't get our shit together and live in peace!
@@musicallyfedmonkeyl think it’s incredibly arrogant for any of us to assume because it’s the 21st century we can “get past” war and learn from our mistakes. With advancements in technology and science we ignore the fact we’re wrong ALOT.
The “science” today will be different tomorrow. We can’t even agree how many genders there are and think we can get over something as ancient as war as if it’s not been going on since the dawn of time? As if prior civilizations haven’t thought the same way…
The ironic truth is the further we advance the dumber and more arrogant we become.
@@jd-rm4ez It made people realise what war is like more than anything other than the real thing instead of seeing films where little kids wanted to be a hero not realising what it’s really like and is there any need to swear getting your point across
"I genuinely don't know anything" exactly what I've been feeling since this shit thanks Shane 🤙
The one moment that was disquieting to me was coming home from Japan during the Iraq and Afghanistan wars. I was on leave and had to fly into Dallas before going on to Springfield, Missouri. I entered the wrong terminal and saw hundreds of Army soldiers waiting to board a plane to Afghanistan. It was as if the room went silent walking through that part of the airport.
Jeez
@ Shmuel Greenberg - No.
@ Shmuel Greenberg - I was on the USS Fort McHenry. We were stationed in Sasebo Japan. We were forward deployed which meant if they needed us for anything we were to deploy. We’d pick up Marines in Okinawa and then drop them off in Indonesia or Mindinow, Philippines. We were trying to break up any terrorist activities in that area. War on Terror. This was 2003 to 2005.
@@sstaners1234 are you from Springfield? I live like an hour south of there in Cassville.
@Dakota Lowe - my parents lived in northern Arkansas just outside of Branson and I was going to see them.
Joe wasn't around during the liveleak era apparently
Maaan them videos was next level.... raw and unfiltered isn't the words either... saw a building get blown up overseas on that... sounds screams and all...
Watched a man get boiled alive in Afghanistan or Iraq horrible stuff but a great website for the truth of things
What’s the new liveleak?
@Raz Perignon their isn't one. Generation z is to much of a baby for them to have a website like liveleak. Thank the woke PC crowd for censoring your vision of the world. I've watched the videos, but it's on a website that isn't friendly to "normies".
@@RazPerignonreddit
No one wants to support war. We want to support the ability of a free people to defend themselves
You say that however were you this outraged with the bombing of the Donbas region? Probably not because it wasnt reported as much. Or the outrage when we prop up puppets in regions through violent coups?
@Varrus IronFist what bombing of the donbas? Are you talking about ukraine defending themselves against russian soldiers and Russian sepretist?
@@DomAtaGlance yes I'm sure the civilian casualties were just "colateral damage" seems an excuse only us westerners are allowed right?
@Varrus IronFist I mean, I wouldn't refer to them as that. I would refer to most of them as absolute fucking tragedies. Which is why I support ukraine. I don't care how badly a sepretist wants to be a part of Russia. I don't care how many years ago territory belonged to Russia. I don't care if you have to learn ukranian in school. The day you put on a mask, sling a rifle over your shoulder and conspire with a foreign government, to take over an area, using force, you are now officially a terrorist. The country you have attempted to takeover has every right In the world to use their military to unalive you. Kiev did the right thing. They declared the donbas region a war zone and ordered all civilians to evacuate the region untill the sepretist militias could be destroyed or arrested. Every civilians that lost their lives is a tragedy. One who's blood is on the hands of the sepretist.
@@varrusironfist4335 Im sure youre from the west Ivan
The Viet Nam war was the first war to be televised. Many WWII and Korean vets already knew the horrors of war, but now it came into American living rooms.
Isn’t it odd how that happened and it became the first war we didn’t support?
War does not determine who is right - Only who is left. - Bertrand Russell
I too played CoD
"Thats some wet azz puzzy"
-Albert Einstein
Lmao Wittgenstein proved many times that Bertrand was lowkey silly tho
Wow so profound did you come up with that yourself?
@@HewManatee wittgenstein proved many times that wittgenstein was lowkey silly tho
Fight back or be totally dominated?
exactly
Fatty doesnt now what to do u see ... Im amazed from this guy .
Go back and read history for yourself and don't rely on media.
@@37HD grow a backbone
And by this logic aggression ought to be met with with no response. It’s the funniest joke I’ve heard on jre in a long time.
The Honest horror to me is the death toll that happens for not even being involved in the situation
Spot on.
You mean the people of russia and ukraine? Not being sarcastic, im actually clarifying what you mean
@@buttsauce123i think he means us as in the US, we’re not really ‘involved’ beyond facilitating the deaths of Russian soldiers, and that can be taken however anyone wishes, doesn’t change that they’re dead by American made weaponry
@@buttsauce123 that's what I took it to mean, any civilians regardless of side.
Horrific shit. It all looks like it's a fuckin paintball match. They're killing each other strangely casually.
War has always been this way. You have no idea the brutality of a man, untill you give him a weapon and a free license to kill.
"We can't let people do that...but I'm not going to do anything" That's the vibe.
I think it's more of a 'what can you do, but talk about it?' Who can possibly know the answer? It's a strange, out of control world, and we're all made to feel individually insignificant and individually egotistical.
It's called turning the other cheek. If you keep sending resources to a war you keep feeding the horror machine. The solution is to end it asap, any results will be negative anyways
Them talking about war sound like my last two brain cells deciding on cleaning my room.
haha is that a Jordan Peterson reference? Peterson has brain-dead takes on the Russo-Ukranian war too.
“War is Hell.”
“Hell is hell and war is war and of the two, war is worse.”
black lives matter
That's so stupid. Hell is worse. The dead see the end of war but Hell exists in both life and death.
No... this life has a beginning and and end. HELL is eternal has no end.
0:54 Shane making that call back sends me into tears every time
What’s the link to what he’s referencing?
@@jackmealor8455video from earlier in the interview lol
There's one video of a guy defending a trench with another guy loading for him. THAT was a nutty video.
Where is this full episode? Keep seeing these clips but nothing on Spotify
Jamie's going to hell for not dropping this episode already
Tbh this war is like the very 1st time we get to see HD footage of real war it's crazy not 1 other era of humans have had that till now
Just like the Crimean war in the 1850s has the reputation for the first war to be widely photographed, it is very comparable
There were lots of camera men killed in Vietnam while filming footage for news stations back home. This (might) be the best recorded conflict only because it’s the most recent, but genuine war has been recorded for a long while.
That was Vietnam.
@@bobcatfish2796he specifically said HD btw.
For me, it stood out immediately. The first live stream i seen of city buildings being bombed posted by a random citizen onto social media.... blew my mind tbh
@@bobcatfish2796Yes there is grainy footage from old wars where you might not even be able to tell who’s getting hit or what’s happening. But now it’s literally 4k 60fps first person point of view GoPro hero 12 or DJI drone footage when a man get hits with artillery and has limbs blown off. I’ve even seen 4k GoPro footage of cqb trench warfare with modern weaponry where the person recording killed at least 5 people before getting wounded or killed themselves. No war footage like this has ever existed in previous generations.
Sixth sense kid got smart.
0:48 It was in a forest and they didn't disarm fast enough... or something like that. It was pretty casual, but shocking.
"I know our country, the last thing they want is Heroin money... you son of a bitch." I'm dying from that 🤣
ain’t war hell?
- getsome guy from full metal jacket
Easy to tell someone else to give up to aggressor and become subjugated. If it was the right supporting Ukraine, Joe would be Gung ho about it. This war is no different than other wars. It's not about supporting war...it's about supporting freedom that the Ukrainians chose.
homie forgot the topic was war and forgot to not laugh
Heard 1 story, saw scars, and the anxiety from my uncle. War is hell, there are no winners
And the worst part is that as time goes on the general population becomes less and less connected to what the military is doing bc of technology, and so they are more and more unaware of the horrors. Just people behind phones arguing on what they believe is correct politically
It's not that 'good' people want war, but there has to be an opposition to evil that is needed to keep evil from taking over and dominating. Look at activists attitude towards police, yea there are bad cops but you still need cops for an opposition to criminal behavior. Being good is a lot harder to be than being bad.
I agree, up until the “being good is harder than being bad” part. Being bad is hard as well, try it out and go steal a car, it seems easy but it’s scary (because it’s illegal) that’s why most people don’t do it.
@@mauricephillips4353 it's hard only if you get caught. 😁
history does add a cool layer to his comedy
I love JRE.
I like Shane mentioning Neville Chamberlain. What he said was 💯
Most people who flippantly dismiss Chamberlain as a loser who let Hitler gain power fail to notice that Churchill kept him around in his cabinet until his death, and maintained a close working friendship with him throughout. Chamberlain's was the dominant view in most of British politics for most of the pre-war years. Reading Churchill's memoir/history "The Gathering Storm" really shows Chamberlain in a sympathetic light, and if you aren't gonna take Churchill's word on it in this context whose can you?
@@jon4139 they were all self serving scumbags, the brits and the french.. they did to the rest of the world what hitler did in europe. and the amusing part is their perspective is backed by official history even now. hitler is the bad guy and we are the good guys
Chamberlain was a naive fool. By allowing Hitler to go for Chechoslovakia he handed him over the industrial capacity of a highly industrialised and advanced country. Without the Czech Weapons, especially tanks (the Pz. 35(t) and 38(t) the Blitzkrieg in Poland and France wouldn't have been possible.
Not to mention that thousands of Chechs died during the occupation. Chamberlains only success was the strenghtening of the 3rd Reichs capabilitys and to encourage Hitler to go for it. Ultimately the apeasement lead to WW2 with especially Czechoslovakia beeing the last industrial stronghold at the end of WW2.
rogan clearly never heard of chamberlain which is pretty crazy
rogan talkin bout the left wants to extend military funding for ukrain…. but the right wants to extend it for israel. so i don’t understand this point???
Israel is more a thing supported by both parties. Mostly because the whole anti-Semitism vs. support for Palestine thing is really making the left eat itself.
And despite how we don't need to be throwing money at anyone to fund any wars, Israel at least has the excuse of having a history of heavy alliance with us. We never have (or in the big guy's case, shouldn't have had) anything to do with Ukraine, suddenly they ate our billions.
They're both objectionable expenditures, for different but equally regrettable reasons.
@@OckhamAsylumAid to Israel because of “historic alliances” but then saying we should sit by and watch Russia gobble up europe like we have no alliances with europe
The right wants nothing to do with either Ukraine or Israel funding. Let them fight their own war. Biden pulled all our troops out of Afghanistan, only to put us into 2 separate proxy wars. The right wants to protect our southern border. The Biden administration offers up these bills to protect the border, but only like 5-10% of the money actually goes to the border, the majority is going to Ukraine and Israel.
It’s not a point it’s just observing what’s going on.
Ukraine doesn't exist...just like there's no such thing as Palestine.... Israel was Israel before the Muslim religion was created or the Quran was written...it actually appears multiple times in that book... Ukraine has never been part of what most people consider to be western Europe...it's always been a slavik Russian territory
Every person thats dies in war has years and years of happy memories and lives full of love of and happiness, along with many more memories and people to meet in the future, along with lots of family members and it all ends the instant they die hundreds of miles from home and most will be forgotten over time. And many who do survive have terrible nightmares and ptsd yet we never learn and have the same mistake of war time and time again.
All said, Everyone who fought needs to regenized and remembered no matter what side they fought for.
The power of love really needs to overcome the love of power.
$$$ more $$$$ more $$$$$$ , our defense industry is salivating over this Ukraine war, the profits they're making, and we don't even have to actually go and fight ourselves, we can just reap the profits. Our gov is giving billions to these defence contractors to send OLD outdated weapon systems to Ukraine, weapon systems they considered garbage, they are now being paid to give them to Ukraine. They love it
Gay
@@johnford9070 it's a Jimi Hendrix quote so. If that's how you feel tho. It's all good.
@@johnford9070 funny response 😂 but it’s a great quote.
But there will always be those who love power more than the power of love. In this case, it's Putin and his regime. It's all fine and well to make generic overtures to peace love & understanding, but a sovereign nation has a right to itself. And it has the right to defend itself as well. There will always be war and conflict. It's wrong to think the solution is we should all just eradicate our own ability to defend ourselves.
Funker530 has tons of footage from the war. Be warned though, there is some crazy footage from the war on there that might not be for everyone.
How can the post that stuff on Facebook but when I share a meme about the c0vid💉my account gets banned
@@gundam116 because war is real and your vaccine conspiracies aren't
links please
Shane "I'm.not gonna do anything"
Fucking hilarious and real
Only the dead have seen the end of war
Just an FYI and staying honest.
Neville Chamberlain whether you sympathize or not did indeed call a shot that was cowardly, regardless of his true intentions and righteous merit in his own heart and soul. There's not a doubt in my mind that no doubt he was thinking of what to do to stay out of the horrors of war, but the problem is when dealing with a bully, on a school yard or an international playing field, one has to stand-up to the bully, call the bullies bluff without exception, especially on a damn global level, period.
I cannot fathom how there are so many people who think this is all Ukraine's fault simply because they won't allow Russia to take over their country. As a result, one thing I DO fathom is why a lot of historical wars occurred and why they let things get to that point. There are people who I know are good, deep down, but are woefully naive and think ending a war over their very sovereignty "at any cost" is the best approach in the long-run-- not only for themselves, but for the rest of the free world.
@@twally87
I believe it, my first comment was mainly the standing-up to a bully aspect. Now, I don't pretend to know the ends and outs of the Ukraine vs Russia war or anything. As an American, who's probably a bit more on the "hawkish" side the older I get anyways:) Understand why Ukraine is standing up and not just giving things away, but I also get Russias point of view on the whole thing. I saw a good video here on YT a while back explaining everything, which goes back to NATO and Russia/Allies promised not to tread too far West as long as the USA/Allies did'nt tread too far East, and like it or not, the USA did tread closer than initially promised. I mean, maybe the US and its military international thinkers thought we needed too, but I at least know how one of our Presidents would react if Russia struck a deal with Mexico and/or Cuba again or something. I honestly don't know the answer, just now trying to comprehend all sides view of it though. Crazy world:)
@@geico1975 the argument that the USA & NATO 'promised not to encroach further East' shows how little many of us know about what NATO even *is*. NATO is a d e f e n s i v e p a c t. The only reason anyone would be afraid of a sovereign country joining NATO is if they planned on invading that country, taking their land and resources. Which Putin has obviously planned this whole time and, for anyone who possesses a set of eyes, has acted upon. This is a standard play out of the Putin (USSR restorationist) playbook: he planned on invading Ukraine and taking their land from them. And now he is doing it. He planned on invading Georgia and taking Georgia from the Georgians (now he has). He planned on invading Moldova and taking Moldova from the Moldovans (now he has). He planned on invading Armenia and Azerbijan and taking those countries from the Armenians and Azerbijanis (now he has). People bring up this absurd idea that the US would invade Mexico if it joined a defensive pact with China. It wouldn't. The US acknowledges Mexico is a sovereign country with a right to associate with whomever it wants. If the US didn't respect Mexico's sovereignty it would have invaded long ago to stop up the border issues we're having with them. The reality is Mexico doesn't want to associate with countries like China or Russia because it too believes in sovereignty of nations so its morals align with the US. It's not because the US coerces them. It's because they know who a better partner and ally is in reality. Why do you think Russia and China have no real allies?
Keith Woods: "russian" oligarchs.
Igor Kolomoisky.
Great russian famine, Holodomor, Famine in Khazakhstan, Lazar Kaganovich, Genrikh Yagoda, Aron Solts, Filipp Goloshchyokin, Yakov Yurovsky, Lazar Kogan, Matvei Berman, Naftaly Frenkel, Salomon Morel, Helena Brus.
Balfour Declaration 1917
November Revolution 1918
Germany loses WW1 1918
Spartacist uprising 1919
You must understand. The leading Bolsheviks who took over Russia were not Russians. They hated Russians. They hated Christians. Driven by ethnic hatred they tortured and slaughtered millions of Russians without a shred of human remorse. The October Revolution was not what you call in America the "Russian Revolution." It was an invasion and conquest over the Russian people. More of my countrymen suffered horrific crimes at their bloodstained hands than any people or nation ever suffered in the entirety of human history. It cannot be understated. Bolshevism was the greatest human slaughter of all time. The fact that most of the world is ignorant of this reality is proof that the global media itself is in the hands of the perpetrators."
Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn
@@geico1975 I hear you, but personally I don’t believe the Russian POV about “needing” to invade and take over Ukraine because of “Western expansion” eastward. For one thing, to legitimize that POV means to equate the spread of Western democracy with the spread of despotic totalitarianism. As if there were no difference between, for example, a country like France being your neighbor and a country like China being your neighbor in the 21st century-there clearly is. The neighbors of France have very little to worry about in terms of aggression while the neighbors of China-Taiwan, for example-have quite a lot to worry about. So I simply don’t concede this idea that Western democracy spreading eastward is somehow equivalent to Russian despotism spreading westward. The history of warfare is full of such examples where a brutal, unjustified aggressor uses false equivalencies to try to justify their actions.
Where do you find these videos tho…?
I watched the one with shooting in the gutter!
Headshot with a shotgun!!
It scarred me for weeks lol still think about how brutal it was!!
That video with the Russian guy killing the two Ukrainians in the foxhole is nuts. The Russian tries taking their weapons and capturing them but one of them doesn’t wannna give up his gun and the other guy starts standing up so the Russian just kills them both… blast them both right in the face
Movies, shows and video games dramatizing war plays a huge part in it. They make it look pretty
Where does he find all these videos at?
War isn’t going anywhere. Knowing that, let’s just strive to be the best at it, use that power to strive to resolve things diplomatically, and only engage in it when the situation necessitates.
A few years back Call of Duty released their "World War 2" game. Graphics and realism were amazing and I'd waited months to play it. However, I am also in my thirties and grew up with lots of WWII vets...back then they were still in their 70's, today there's not as many left around. Hearing some of their combat stories and seeing how it affected them was an amazing thing to be present for. So, after legit 45 minutes playing the game I shut it off, just put the disc away and never got it out again. It made me just feel disgusted with myself playing that for entertainment with some of those guys still around. Movies realism is one thing because it drives home the reality of what happened...but the video game seemed plain disrespectful..
relax dude
World at War portrayed war exactly how it is. Brutal, immoral, and terrifying,
@@HumpingEwok yeah. yeah that was it. I was just bad at the game. thanks for that intelligible response
by that logic survival games like the forest or ark are immoral because people actually went through scenarios where they had to survive in the middle of nowhere but castaway and the revenant are okay because they’re movies. Gtfo of here they’re both heavily dramatized and they’re both consumed as entertainment.
Appreciate your respect for the troops. That being said, your comment is a little silly. It's not that serious.
Did Joe just say after the 80's it was a LONG time until war? He forget about Desert Storm or Irag/Aphganistan
joe got smart in the end 😂
I wish Shane would do a history podcast. dan carlin jr!
You think Chamberlain gave up Czechoslovakia because he wanted to maintain peace in Europe.
I think Chamberlain gave up Czechoslovakia because he knew war in Europe was inevitable but needed to buy time for the UK to rearm it's military.
We are not the same.
War is horrible, only a fool would deny that. However, Ukraine doesn't have the luxury of viewing war in that light right now since Putin has decided to rob them of it. For Ukrainians, war is now a necessity. To quote Churchill, "You cannot reason with a tiger when your head is in its mouth.".
Chamberlain wasn’t in the club . Churchill traded the empire for a 20 sac of percs
@@reichbunny713 I'm more inclined to believe it was the Labor Party that got voted in after Churchill who actually wanted to throw the empire in the bin.
yeah I don't get Joe's rhetoric on "we should stop this war" - meaning: "let the russians do their thing fast and get over it". Ukraine should get as much weapons as possible - that is how you stop the war, by defeating or deterring the bully.
@@Paciffic unfortunately so few people are actually getting this, even those who I would consider as smart and open minded people. War is a horrible thing, and it should be stopped. And it should be done by stopping the aggressor side, the side that started the war.
@@sashatkachuk6796 So destroy the CIA then?
4:28 even shane saw this conversation was going sideways quickly
“WW2 had good guys and bad guys, but Russia and Ukraine doesn’t”
@@Phantomwaxx admitted he didn't know, but kept talking anyway.
haha he realized he was in the middle of spouting a brain-dead shit-take about this war. I think Rogan should have pushed back a little more... but maybe that's actually his opinion, too. It's surprising how many people think all of this is Ukraine's fault because they won't simply let Russia take over their country.
I know this is just an anecdote, but I knew an army special forces Vietnam vet and he said he was a guard at a poppy field for part of his time there…
Hey Joe, if you ever have someone look over comments, there used to be a news channel that delivered front line news to kids. It was Channel 1. And you wouldn't believe it, but Anderson Cooper got his start there. They were on the front lines in the Bosnian conflict. Check it out. We need this kind of reporting again.
It’s a crime this platform removed most of the Syria videos they erased history
The west traditionally never wants to get involved in European wars tho, ww1, ww2, they never got on til either the last minute or until they were directly attacked
Sorry to sound fucked up but what site is joe getting the crazy Russian war clips from?
They should make red badge of courage a movie.
When the power of love overcomes the love of power then the world will know peace. Jimi Hendrix
So, never? Humans have never been good at fighting what comes naturally to them.
Many wars are not fought over power, and violence is part of human behavior. War will never end, as resources/territory will always be limited. Cultures will continue to develop separately from each other, which will lead to ideological, moral, and ethical differences. Violence is essential to nature. War is a part of that, whether its a war between 3 people or 3 million, it wont stop. Even if our basic necessities are met, we would kill over ideology and religion.. Power isnt really a factor in my opinion. even if one group overpowered every other and every single human was united under a one world government or authority, can you imagine the despair that would cause. We simply have to accept that violence will occur, we can only diminish the impacts. At the end of the day, even the calmest most kind hearted human will kill someone for food when they have not eaten in days or weeks.
The alternative is not doing anything and letting these crazy leaders take whatever they want. Imagine that!!
Bring Jeff Durban on your show Joe!!
A REAL conversation
I saw the tank video of Ukrainians were by their tank and another tank coming down the road and thinking it was one of their own and nope the tank coming down the road fired into the crowd of Ukrainian soilders and whoosh just evaporated them. 🤯
Link?
@@gundam116 I remember it was a short I think can't remember the name of the uploader I think if you try searching for it you can find it. It's pretty messed up to witness soldiers there one minute and gone the next from a tank round. It was when the invasion just kicked off and their tanks are very similar and that's when they couldn't really distinguish each other on the battlefield and they started wearing arm bands because of friendly fire and stuff.
@@gundam116 Ukrainian tank friendly fire I think it is. I didn't know it was friendly fire or not there's some debate on if it was or not. Tragedy anyway you look at it tho brutal. War is hell
@@ninjanunch2769 Don't help that psychopath trying to live vicariously through suffering and blood. He's doing this shit in all the comments.
Watching more does not make me want the war to just stop. It makes me want to be a part of winning it for my team.
But you also want to win it as soon as possible, and your strategies should be geared to that end.
@@jon4139Yeah but doesn’t that kind of go without saying? If Ukraine had a button they could press right now to end the war and achieve victory, does anyone seriously doubt they would press it? Or that the US would, if they had such a button?
The one where the drone drops a grenade and it sets a guy on fire. His wounded mate just sits there staring at him and the drone. It was horrible
People shit on Joes comedy all the time (including me) but that joke about the war not being about heroin was actually pretty good.
Difference between supporting war and supporting a nation which is being invaded.
pro war doesn't equal pro Ukraine
pro Ukraine equals Ukrainian survival
So by this logic when an aggressor infringes sovereignty it is the duty of the entity being infringed upon to placate the infringer. It is an asinine train of thought. But then again, this is comedy, and stupid is funny.
Being the aggressor in a war is a demonic action, defending yourself from an aggressor is your duty.
Who decides which is the aggressor and defender, the one with more power to manipulate and obscure for their own agenda, it's ignorant and foolish to think that just a few of the pieces make the whole puzzle and the powers that be are so good at telling us what to want to be shown that we'll never get to see anything
War isn't like the movies and everyday I shake and sweat for no reason. If I was smart I would of stayed home
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LMAOO
I love how Joe never mentions the sledgehammer was a Russian soldier killing a Russian deserter. Gotta leave that ambiguity to make sure people don't know it wasn't Ukraine.
lets take the assumption he doesnt know or care to figure out which side it was. Regardless its terrible. Why does it matter who?
@@flarpsgaming lets say i steal your identity and your property. Stealing is wrong. Then i as the thief say who cares who did what.
Where can I watch it
@@gundam116 Netflix
@@flarpsgaming Later, Russians sent that sledgehammer to the EU Parliament soaked in blood! But yeah, yeah, yeah, who cares who did what! You are insane!
The fact Shane doesn’t realize who the good and bad in the Ukraine war situation is scary to me. Is it not CRYSTAL CLEAR???
I couldn't believe what I was hearing when I listened to this episode for the first time.
Its not crystal clear. I live close to it. Russia is bad but Ukraine is not a saint either. Look the past 15-10 years what lead to it
@@Lajszpapa if you can’t clearly see that Russian is in the wrong then idk what to call it besides a case of failed parenting. Blame your parents you were educated correctly.
Well are you gonna explain or just do that thing where you express outrage and pretend to be smarter than everyone?
wtf is joe watching, a sledgehammer? I’ve seen a pickaxe and that is enough internet for me.
In the 80's they delivered leaflets titled 'Protect & Survive' which told us how to improvise fall out shelters and how to 'bag & tag' your dead relatives and leave them out for collection.
Interesting. Where was this?
@@derrickmcadoo3804
in Greater London.
You can see copies of the leaflets online if you're interested, they still exist.
What's crazy is all the videos of drones dropping bombs into entrenched soldiers who have no idea while they sleep.
Yea dude those vids are brutal saw one where it injured a Russian and he finished himself off.
Man y'all two two need to get together and build a huge podcast platform. Joe in my opinion has surpassed Larry king and Howard Stern with his interview skills. I mean the guy has taken raw journalism to a level of perfection far beyond it's time. But Joe and Theo show would be the greatest show on earth
seeing it would not change anything
you have to feel it
read the book "on killing" by dave grossman.
facts. if anything spend your money on experiences to have and memories to make instead of things in highschool. for me personally i blew all my money on weed and substances but had a ton of fun. do what makes you happy
Well yeah of course no one literally wants war, but a country is being invaded. What choice do they have? Do we literally just let Russia annex land and just be like "ok cool bro." It's horrible and obviously easy for me to say, but what's the alternative?
historically that’s exactly what happens. whenever a country invades another country with the same ethnic people no one does anything about it
What do you mean by "do we just let Russia annex ukraine"? You want the United States to step in and go to war over ukraine? That sounds just as dumb as the start of WW1. ukraine is like Franz Ferdinand.
It's essentially as clear cut as it could possibly get. Ukraine is a democracy. It's people have freedom of speech. They are an American ally. Russia is a brutal autocracy run by a murderous dictator. Russia has been invading and annexing territory from the countries around it. The country they decided to invade now is ukraine. Said American ally. I don't understand how people could possibly think it's ambiguous as to which Side we should supprort
Because "right wing alternative media" is infiltrated by the Russians! Look what all these people hang out with, they all have strange connections with Russia.
Spoken like a true lib bot
it's only clear cut if you talk out of your ass. They aren't an American ally, do you know what the term "ally" means? Military alliance, as in, "when I am invaded, you help directly with your own military". Allies are NATO. Russia isn't such a brutal place, meet people from there, they won't have any illusions about their country but they aren't some oppressed North Korean peasantry. Most of them live normal lives like you and I, especially in the main population centers in the west. None of this changes the aggression of Russia in this case, they clearly invaded (as they did back in 2014, were you calling for war back then I wonder?).
@@billkar6479 So how do you justify Russias position tough guy?
@@billkar6479 typed like a true Russian bot
Saran wrapped a cinder block to the side of a Russian soldiers head and they hit it with a sledge hammer. Some real gnarly footage coming out showing what war really is. Hell.
Spies like Us. Great movie for the time.
Joe says WW2 was a clear cut war and some how Russia which constantly takes over countries like Hitler and invaded Ukraine and bombed the shit out of it just like hitler did to Poland and many other countries and Ukraine is defending itself from Russia… and some how still these two don’t understand what kind or war it is and what’s the sense in making sure Russia is defeated? Like I don’t believe these two are that ignorant to say that. Giving that they are both very intelligent people.
Yeah war sucks but if some one is coming to just take what you have worked so hard for and the family/friends what is the alternative? Roll over and just take it? Though for us how does it effect us?
Churchill was in charge of the disaster in Gallipoli.
That story of the Ukraine soldiers in the ditch, the Russian soldier that killed them was in ukrainian uniform. They thought he was friendly until he pulled the trigger
He hit those zelensky goons up viciously with that AK 😮
Pretty sure that’s a war crime
There’s no rules when it comes to war… that’s just comfort talk from the corrupt politicians and rich not wanting to do the dirty work themselves. Why get blood on your hands when you can brainwash the people to fight your war? That ruski judging from his actions was in a high stress situation and the soldier on the left made a quick sudden move which in turn led to him opening up. I’m not saying what he did was right but both parties are in the shit and that means tearing your soul apart doing unspeakable things just to live another day. I doubt that Russian soldier “feels good” about his actions and he’s probably replaying that in his head when the bombs aren’t dropping and the bullets aren’t snapping and whizzing. That is if he’s not dead yet… My point is… war is hell and it’s easy to develop a hate for some Russian man who we will never know about. It’s the media trying to form an opinion for you… it’s the Russian gov that is to hate not the ordinary people caught up in this mess.
Everything about the Russian incursion into Ukraine is criminal.
@@wolfring7081 yes 100% it is.
Damn, I've never heard Joe be so unintelligent. By supporting Ukraine, you're not supporting war, you're kind of doing the opposite. Smh...
Exactly what a fool
You haven't heard much of Rogan then. This is pretty standard stuff for him, really. He says A LOT of stupid shit.
He's gone full right wing lmao
You’ve such one dimensional thinking
When We Would Get Into Contact...Pysops Would Play Music On Loud Speakers
Why isn’t this episode on Spotify?
I had issues with finding it on my feed as well. Try typing it in your search bar with Shane’s name or the episode number which is #1957 cheers
I listened to it this morning at 6 am (in Ireland, on Spotify (obvs) no problems at all) but you're not the first person I've seen saying this.. It's actually a really good episode.
@@damotheman4196 i had troubles here in Nova Scotia with it but worked in the end. It was a good, Shane has become one of my favourite guests super funny guy and really cool to hear him talk history
It's weird he recalled Chamberlain, but failed to recall that it was specifically his aggressor appeasement policy that caused the war to escalate. "Who cares" Czechoslovakia became the war forge of Germany and quick surrender gave huge power to aggressors everywhere, not just in Germany, and ultimately led to Pearl Harbor attack.
Exactly. The idiocy to call Chamberlain a hero is just stunning...
@@jorgsobota2228he didn’t call him a hero. He said and I quote “that’s why I kind of sympathize with chamberlain a bit” not even close to hailing him as a hero🤣🤣🤣
what nonsense are you talking about, blaming chamberlain for pearl harbout hahaha
@@ronocccI’m so glad someone else called this out. Such a stretch he pulled a muscle.
I think I see some bias in your world views there Mr.Lysak.
This might be the dumbest conversation on this topic by a major outlet. I understand being skeptical about American support of Ukraine, but the amount of dumb shit and references made in this clip is bonkers. Mentioning and sympathizing with Chamberlain is crazy. What do you mean he didn’t know about concentration camps? What do you think people who heard Hitler’s speeches about Germans being the “superior race” and reading what Hitler wrote about the Jews, thought Germany was doing when they captured areas with a lot of Jews? Maybe chamberlain didn’t think the concentration camps were as brutal as they turned out to be, but for sure he knew civilians were suffering physically under the Nazis occupation. Also, what do you mean you don’t know who is the good guy in Russia vs the Ukraine? It’s not clear that the party who invaded the other and is shooting rockets at apartment buildings, schools and hospitals is the wrong one? I get not wanting to get militarily involved in the situation and even not spending as much as we have, but to go the complete opposite way is stupid beyond belief.
I've seen their take in a lot of conversations and sometimes I wonder if conservatives are self-conscious about the dubious perception that historically they are "war hawks", and are always trying to compensate by being so aggressively anti-war that their answer to any country invading another is the victim should either lay down their weapons and let the invader whatever they please, or be victim-blamed for "perpetuating the conflict".
4:35 a true American regard
“War was always here. Before man was, war waited for him. The ultimate trade awaiting its ultimate practitioner.”
Just to make few moments clear:
1. Guy executed with sledgehammer was a russian traitor from "Wagner". Wagners caught him and made example of him.
2. Russian warrior who shot two ukrainian soldiers in a ditch was yelling at them to give up. They hang on to their weapons and did not give up. Maybe because of shock or something but in the middle of the battle when bullets are flying over your head you just can't risk it. Russian did everything he could to keep those two ukrainian warriors alive.
100%. Very good observations.
For additional context, aside from the horrible method of execution and the huge ethical problems that come with extrajudicial executions by a private corporation, Wagner’s sledgehammer execution was a Russian prisoner who signed up to serve in exchange for a pardon of his sentence. He surrendered to Ukraine and Wagner considered that to be treason. Still terrible, but they weren’t executing Ukrainians like this in the video.
Second, the video of the Russian soldier coming up on the foxhole with 2 Ukrainian soldiers in it, IIRC the Russians had flanked their position so they didn’t expect an enemy coming from behind them. From what I understand, the Ukrainians in the foxhole were native Russian-speakers (as many Ukrainians are), and thought the Russian coming from behind them was a soldier on their own side. In the confusion, they didn’t drop their weapons and were shot as a result. Russia has done some terrible shit in this war, but I wouldn’t have considered that an execution. More like something that happens regularly in the fog of war.
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@@darklord220why would a bot acknowledge wagner committing such acts
This dude really just said its not clear cut who the bad guy is 🤣
Zelenskyy provoked Russia into this war.
They've been in conflict for over a decade. It's not like Putin just woke up one morning and decided to roll into Ukraine.
This has been building up for a long time. Russia was attempting to make a peace deal with Ukraine and Zelenskyy threatened to join NATO and arm Ukraine against Russia.
US and Western powers encouraged Zelenskyy to provoke Russia into full-scale war. The US and Western powers don't want Russia competing with them in the oil and gas market.
That's why they didn't waste any time destroying Russia's Nord Stream pipeline. Zelenskyy isn't an innocent victim. Ukraine was the most corrupt country in Europe, not a democracy, not a member of NATO, and Zelenskyy is guilty of many human rights violations. All of a sudden we're supposed to pretend that Zelenskyy is a good guy? The same guy that made his political opposition disappear, the same guy that imprisoned journalists that wrote bad stories about it, the same guy that banned Christian worship in Ukraine?
Because it’s not clear who the bad guy is? To America it’s both of them because Ukraine is stealing our money and pocketing AND sending it back to politicians pockets back in the US… that’s the only reason we have sent so much and continue to send more… but for rest of the world Russia is bad guy. Lots of Ukrainian officials resigned from office when asked where all the US funding went that was given… zelensky wife is loving it up going on multi million dollar shopping sprees as well!
It’s the funniest joke I’ve heard on jre in a long time.
GREAT comment, Joe about the "Cold War" in the 80's and the Incredible weight taken off of our shoulders after.
A big reason why the 90's were So enjoyable.
The drones that drop grenades... nasty nasty..
Bad takes about the war here. The fact that it's an expansionist war forced by a neo-colonialist Russia is not a 'liberal shit-take'. That's simply what it is. Just because liberal media lies about stuff a lot doesn't mean they're lying about why this war is happening. I didn't get my opinion from the media. It comes from historical context, the coming economic problems in the world, and understanding how Putin and his regime have always operated. Anybody who honestly believes The US or NATO 'forced Russia's hand' hasn't been paying attention or thinking about this very carefully-- or they are victims of Putin's far-reaching propaganda machine.
Yeah okay buddy
Ermm, pretty sure america dangling Nato over Ukraine (which is an anti russia coalition) on Russias borders, was the keystone. Then america backs up, gives Ukraine weapons so they lose but slowly to weaken russian military forces. America loves to set the fire and step back to fan the flames