1:50 For whatever reason, I now cannot hear the phrase "parish council clerk" without a voice responding instantly in my head: "You have no authority here Jackie Weaver, you have no authortity at all!"
Mr H, you have an absolute talent for taking a topic of no conceivable interest to me, and then turning that into something captivating. Amazing! I'm late to the show, so all the 'Boys' comments worth making have already been made (thanks chaps). Good stuff, Simon T
I was thinking this,I have only a passing memory of an old co-worker that originally came from back in the Bous, amusingly he spoke with an incredibly clear tongue, yet in his spare time was the singer for an extreme metal band, translated as guttural sludge vocals. If memory serves me correctly he was on a C4 program which had different style vocalists , but this was in the 90s, so I cannot remember what he or the show was called...
I've noticed a few youtubers seem to glom onto a bad pun, and work the entire video toward that end. In the US, "They Done Boys" would be a rap group...
Back in 1973 I used be a guard/motorman on the Central line. I remember simply releasing the brakes at Theydon Bois, just to be nosey, and letting the train freewheel all the way to Woodford. It's pretty much all downhill. Quiet amazing the speeds you reach!
Great shot of the village sign at 1:12. This was (I am told) painted by my wife's grandfather Jack Ridoutt, in 1950. His main occupation was painting images for advertisments for newspapers, posters and magazines...
Ah Theydon Bois. A small village that is on the Central Line in Essex just on the outskirts of London and south of Epping. I’ve been to Theydon Bois. Such a lovely place to visit whilst escaping the business of London. Amazing how the station is still maintained perfectly.
Transport corridors should planned and funded by the community via government. If too little or too much development occurs, it is government who can change land zoning, or build more transport to bring services and land use into balance. Funding of infrastructure from property and general economic taxes, and operations largely from fares aligns benefits with costs.
I was brought up there..in the early sixties they had steam trains at night delivering coal to the coal yard which stood where the modern houses in your vid are now..used to go to school on train from the station..many a run over that footbridge to catch a train
Oh what school did you go to because I used to come from Epping right up to Buckhurst Hill .My mate John Rippon used to get on at Theydon Bois to go to Buckhurst Hill as well
@@timspooner7609 Bancrofts my second choice after I passed the 11+. Yeah John’s mum was a nurse she actually knows my Nan when she was ill . Unfortunately from what I read in the BHCHS website he was actually the first one to die some years ago out of our year Our first year at Buckhurst Hill grammar was 1963
In Frank Muir's book, he mentioned that after leaving a theatre still in make-up and trying to find a particular region, stopped to ask an officer of the law, 'I'm looking for Theydon Bois', to which the officer replied, 'There's none of them around here, sir'!
Just to be boring, that's how the French word "bois" would have been pronounced when the Normans colonised England. The French pronunciation changed over the next few centuries, but once the word got into darkest Essex, it opted out. Cf. Chapel-en-le-Frith, though Frith is an English word: Franglais started early. /pedant
How is Chapel-en-le-Frith actually pronounced? I assume Chapel is pronounced the English way (rhyming with apple) and Frith is pronounced as it's spelt. But what about the middle two words? If I had to guess I'd assume it's "On Luh", with the 'n' vocalised, unlike the French pronunciation, but I wouldn't be surprised if someone tells me it's pronounced "Enli".
@@johnm2012 Seems to be pronounced "on luh" (but with "on" like the ordinary English word, not nasalized like French) or "enli", depending on who you ask.
A strong case for the prettiest surroundings of any tube station. My parents brought me here on a day trip when I was 8 and we walked through Epping Forest to catch the bus from Wake Arms to Loughton. My dad and I then went to Ongar! Theydon Bois hasn't grown as much as the other localities; many trains used to terminate at Debden or Loughton so that Theydon Bois and Epping had a relatively poor service, but this has changed over the years.
In the Colonies where the Tube doesn't go (but would be a great series "Jago does America) there is Boise, Idaho (pronounced boys-ee) and Boise City Oklahoma ( pronounced boys city) the Oklahoma town being remarkable for being bombed by the USAAF in WWII
I love the contrast between the traditional great Eastern architecture, and relatively modern rapid transit and signage! Like a lot of the stations in the central line's eastern stretches!
The anglicised pronunciations of Theydon Bois and Hainault were something I think I half-anticipated before coming to 'know' them. However, the trickier one for me, as a northerner was actually Loughton. I still see it and get torn between Lufton, Lau-ton (like the 'bough' of a tree) and Lawton. Just me?
Reminds me of Beaulieu in the south (where the motor museum is!). In French it's 'beau lieu' - meaning 'beautiful place' - but in Derek Trotter English it's pronounced Bew-Lee.
Entertaining as usual, Jago! And of course there is Chesham Bois, between Chesham and Amersham, though it's not a station, right out at the end of the Met.
I shall henceforth pronounce your name as "Zha-DEAU a-ZAAR". It's not often that I laugh out loud at a video, but the joke about what bridge was most famous was just too funny.
I always smile when I hear of this station. The first time I got really drunk at a party [I was in my teens], I fell asleep and overshot my station (Stratford). I woke up to see a station I had NEVER heard of before, and I literally thought I was dreaming. Very weird experience. I also remember that the train I got back to Stratford was the last one of the night.
When I was a guard on the Central Line, I would meet the motorman in the middle of the last few trains into Epping, closing the individual doors. If I could see someone drunk sleeping, I would shout all change and leave the doors on that car open. When I went back to the car where I had left him (In my experience it was always a "him") he would be standing on the platform swaying, looking blearily at the sign that said "Epping" and thinking "where the f*** is that?" Usually they intended to get off at Leytonstone or wherever.
Trekkers note there is a very nice walk from the back of St. Mary's Church in Coppice Row through Epping Forest up to Epping town and station, where you can get the train back. Bon voyage.
I can confirm what Michael Wright said, I studied Medieval French at university. Indeed /oi/ shifted gradually from medieval [oi] to [oé] by 1700 to [wa] as it is now. Colloquial Quebec French has kept some of those old pronunciations, like [moé] for “moi”, which almost sounds closer to English boy. 1:20 Bois as [boy] and pronouncing the LT in Hainault is one thing, but Beauvoir and Beauchamp as “Beaver and Beecham” is rather eccentric to this francophone… But then the inhabitants of Warwick, Quebec, pronounce both W’s… And it’s bee- 🐝 for the suburb of Beaconsfield. 😉⚜️
In one of the episodes of the BBC tv comedy series, 'The Fast Show', and in one of the 'Jazz Club' sketches, a jazz musician was introduced as "Theydon Bois on guitar", by the host... Nice 👌!!! Check it out on UA-cam.
The next Toy, Train and Model Collectors Fair at Theydon Bois Villiage Hall is due on the evening of Thursday 10th ( 3rd I cannot remember) December 2021. All being well I will be there selling books on the London Underground and Bus Systems
Having grown up in Theydon Bois and used the Central Line to get to school from 1978-1985 my main memory is the noise of the doors, the RPAS, and the smell of 1962TS brake dust. As the penultimate station I later learnt that drivers of 62TS (with mollycoddling EP brakes) were expected to use the Westinghouse on approaching Theydon Bois EB platform. Many made a good fist of it; some did not! Lots of brake dust, lots of brake cylinder safety valve noise, and a few overruns. 🙂 Happy days.
You can tell it's a sleepy place by the fact that both the M11 and M25 pass fairly nearby, but there's no junction with either. But then there are no street lights either, as all the locals go to bed once it gets dark 😀
I had always assumed that the "Bois", as in French for wood was due to the village's proximity to Epping Forest. I remember when the line went to Ongar and once used that station to visit a friend in Ealing when I lived in Chelmsford and the line into Liverpool St was out of action I wondered if the line was meant to continue to Chelmsford
@@hughtierneytierney3585 From what I recall about two and a half but at least I had a seat throughout. There was a lot of engineering work on the GEML at the time and I'd had a bad experience a few weeks earlier. Having only passed my test a few months ago I didn't fancy driving. It wasn't the most practical solution as the Ongar service only ran a peak times so it was fine travelling out on the Friday morning but had to get a taxi from Epping on my Sunday return. This section was closed a few months later so was worth doing
@@creamwobbly Yes, there were four mentioned, but this one didn’t appear in that specific list. My point was that he could’ve done an “…and some fo(u)rth bridge in Scotland somewhere” joke if that list had had four items of its own, but it only had three.
Fun fact: The Forth (Rail) Bridge is the first Forth bridge, while the fourth Forth bridge is the Clackmannanshire Bridge (2008), which is the third Forth road bridge after the 1964 Forth Road Bridge (which was the second) and the 1936 Kincardine Bridge (the second Forth bridge but the first Forth road bridge and partially replaced by the Clckmananshire). Meanwhile the fifth Forth bridge and the fourth Forth road bridge is the 2017 Queensferry Crossing partially replacing the second Forth road bridge, the Forth Road Bridge. Simple, right?
A little over 30 years ago I got a train to Chingford and walked through Epping Forest without much of a map. Eventually I came out to find the extremely incongruous sight of a London Underground roundel in rural Essex. Never been back.
I remember radio and tv presenters from the 70s and the 80s regularly including the phrase " found in a shallow grave in Epping Forest " in their stories . It was part of the social history of the period
I sometimes drove from East Herts to Theydon Bois to commute to Canary wharf. I would have loved to live in Theydon Bois. But no chance of affording a property there 😕 😢
I would absolutely love to see one of these videos about Stratford station. Just how did it end up as the current mishmash. And why on earth does the central line pop out of the ground just for that stop.
The area around Stratford station , I’m afraid , was a total mess by the 60s . Pretty much consisted of a load of rundown properties having said that it was a great community . My dad worked for a firm there from the late 1940s until he retired and funny enough I ended up working for exactly the same firm from the mid 70s . As a matter of interest where I actually worked was right under the end of the cycling velodrome from the Olympics . I always remember my dad coming home from work in the 1950s with a fresh crab for my mum bought from a little fish mongers down Angel Lane , I wonder how many other people remember that shop ?
@@steveosborne2297 I do remember (probably misremember) there was a pub on Angel Lane that, in the late sixties, had local bands on. One band was "Baby Brown". The lead guitarist was a dead ringer for Jimi Hendrix, only he had a Watkins Rapier 33 not a Strat, of course, he didn't play like Jimi.... Happy days.
@@Peasmouldia It also allows cross platform interchange with the Great Eastern Main Line. Once, when a guard on emergency motorman refresher day, The mentor had to tell me to to drop the Deadman's Handle to stop a full train because the weight had gone over the hump. That was bracing.
Never been that far east on the Central Line...definitely a suggestion of Norman French, plus earlier times before final consonants started to disappear. Around here there is a town called Boise, "boy-see" to the residents. I went there in 2017 to see the eclipse. Other PNW shibboleths include Puyallup and Sequim, "pew-all-up" and "squim" unless you want to annoy the locals.
Yes, locals pronounce it "Thei-den Boys" so the lads were called "The Theydon Bois Boys". It is a beautiful area, only spoilt by permanent road works, speed cameras on every corner and parking restrictions which destroy the Essex village atmosphere which existed up until the 1980s. I drove through there (slowly), a month ago.
Everywhere seems to have permanent roadworks, these days, unfortunately. Not sure how parking restrictions would destroy the village atmosphere, unless the atmosphere you're looking for is endless queues of traffic caused by roads being restricted to a single lane by cars parked down both sides.
How do speed cameras spoil an area? Presumably they are there to reduce the road kill and wouldn't be needed if people drove sensibly. It's cars and their owners that spoil the village atmosphere, not parking restrictions.
@@johnm2012 I'll try to explain. Yes I drive sensibly and wouldn't want to speed anyway, whilst driving through a little village. However, when the speed limit goes from 30 mph down to 20 mph with speed cameras all over the place, you simply cannot relax. If you drive around Scotland, the Highlands or Campbeltown for instance where (money cow for the councils) speed cameras have not yet arrived, a wave of relaxation washes over you. You haven't a care in the world. You can drive and admire the scenery and atmosphere. You can stop almost anywhere you want and get out to admire the view. Drink some tea or eat a picnic with no time restrictions or parking limits. I wouldn't want to speed anyway but the fact that you have speed cameras, means that you cannot relax because you are forever looking at your speedometer to make sure that you are not breaking the 20 mph. At that speed, I think forcing you to keep to 20 mph means that you are looking at your display too often and NOT at the road where your eyes are supposed to be, let alone to enjoy the scenery. I am 100% in favour of speed cameras on highways and I'd go even further. I think that these cameras should not only look for speeding but for dangerous driving like someone weaving in and our of traffic or tailgating. But speed cameras in small villages? No! Like restricted parking fines, they are only there to accumulate revenue for the local council. More importantly, they lower the quality of life for everyone who has to live there or whoever drives through there. That's my experience and my opinion.
Hainault pronounced Hey Now? Never even occured to me, but now I can't get that Crowded House song out of my head, but if the station ever closes Jago, (Hey Now) Don't Dream It's Over should be the title of the video perhaps, to continue your theme of pop song related titles?
The question is do Theydon Bois go around the outside or do they leave that to Buffalo Gals? Oh, and down in Cornwall there is a place called Doublebois - also with a similar irredeemably English pronunciation, presumably because the English couldn't pronounce Dewgoes
The woodwind instrument called the oboe was originally called hautbois (high wood) and there is still a pipe organ stop called hautbois, which uses reeds to sound vaguely reminiscent of the oboe.
Thanks for another enjoyable and informative video Jago. Having lived in Essex for most of my life years I never knew that about the pronunciation of Bois... but then again my French isn't so good, sacred blue.
Another station I have known since childhood, growing up in nearby Loughton. There is perhaps another explanation for the second part of the station's name: "bois", pronounced the French way, is the French word for wood and there are a lot woods in this area, all part of Epping Forest which is reached just outside the village heading towards the Wake Arms, at the bottom of Piercing Hill. So it could be that the name means "Theydon in the Woods". Kind regards, David, Crouch End, N8.
I am continually bamboozled by how you make me interested in such trivia that has very, very little influence in my life here in Scotland. I suspect sorcery or some such...
There were proposals to put street lighting in the village but the villagers opposed it How long ago it was I don't know - I did a video about it this week - the lack of Street lighting
I spent way too many nights coming home when staying with my grandmother falling down potholes because of the lack of bloody street lighting in that village.
I was wondering would you be doing a "Tale From The Tube" video about the Glasgow Subway? I only ask as this micro transit systems' running tunnels are circular in nature and ergo a 'tube'
Except the Bois family were in the area in the 12th century and, in those days, the French still pronounced the final consonants on words. So, in this case, it's actually that the French pronunciation has changed.
The original sign said They Don't Like Boris, but some letters fell off and were lost, then it fell down. They did their best restoring it.
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1:50 For whatever reason, I now cannot hear the phrase "parish council clerk" without a voice responding instantly in my head: "You have no authority here Jackie Weaver, you have no authortity at all!"
Read the working timetable! Read it and understand it!
"Of course, the footbridge at Theydon Bois is what they're most famous for". Of course!
Well, the bridge is still standing and probably no worker was killed during construction.
@@JohnADoe-pg1qk and it’s still safe to cross in high winds
"YES - forget that whole Tay bridge disaster bit...."
It's actually named after that the foreman said when they finished. "They done boys!"
Mr H, you have an absolute talent for taking a topic of no conceivable interest to me, and then turning that into something captivating. Amazing! I'm late to the show, so all the 'Boys' comments worth making have already been made (thanks chaps). Good stuff, Simon T
Hello fellow name! Have a great day!
Say it!
A five-minute setup for a Thin Lizzy pun? Full marks, Mr. Hazzard. Well done, indeed!
Did he actually say it, he said he might.
I was thinking this,I have only a passing memory of an old co-worker that originally came from back in the Bous, amusingly he spoke with an incredibly clear tongue, yet in his spare time was the singer for an extreme metal band, translated as guttural sludge vocals. If memory serves me correctly he was on a C4 program which had different style vocalists , but this was in the 90s, so I cannot remember what he or the show was called...
I've noticed a few youtubers seem to glom onto a bad pun, and work the entire video toward that end.
In the US, "They Done Boys" would be a rap group...
Theydon Bois, Theydon Bois,
Lace up boots and corduroys
oh, hang on....
Of course, if the Two Ronnies were to be believed, Greenford was hanging around with the Theydon Bois and they were not just big lads, but Wapping!
That'll turnham green.
And it's goodnight from him....
“Silly Arsenal!”
These UndergrounD puns are Morden I can stand.
@@Rosie6857 But missing the Two Ronnies reference would have been more than my Rickmansworth!
For anyone nervous about walking over a footbridge built by the same bloke who built the Tay Bridge, relax, Arrol built the second one.
Wasn't Arrol Albert Steptoe's son? :P
@@cargy930 Oh 'Arrol!
But they still close the footbridge in high winds just in case.
. . . but some parts were reused from the original.
@@cargy930
"You dirty old man",I believe !!
Back in 1973 I used be a guard/motorman on the Central line. I remember simply releasing the brakes at Theydon Bois, just to be nosey, and letting the train freewheel all the way to Woodford.
It's pretty much all downhill. Quiet amazing the speeds you reach!
All the station signs are definitely English. After all, I don't think the local council would allow French Letters adorning the station.
Heyoooo
As an American I am surprised that I get that comment.
The worst chewing gum I’ve ever tasted.
@@dangerousandy But oh boy, what bubbles!
I don't know what you mean...
My dad's boss had friends whose surname was Bois and they pronounced it Boyce, like the car dealer in Only Fools and Horses.
Bit of a poison Challis…
Great shot of the village sign at 1:12. This was (I am told) painted by my wife's grandfather Jack Ridoutt, in 1950. His main occupation was painting images for advertisments for newspapers, posters and magazines...
The Bois are back in town, the Bois are back in Town! Nice bit of history of Theydon Bois Station.
A village without street lights - take a flashlight if you ever visit . . .
Ah Theydon Bois. A small village that is on the Central Line in Essex just on the outskirts of London and south of Epping. I’ve been to Theydon Bois. Such a lovely place to visit whilst escaping the business of London. Amazing how the station is still maintained perfectly.
my grandparents lived and my nan worked in theydon bois, the queen victoria pub had the joy of having my nan as a cook in the mid-late 80's
And your nan was an amazing cook 👌
@@elainebines6803 she was, reeney (Irene) was a fabulous cook! did you genuinely know her or just being nice?
Oh bless the Vic, I love it. My grandparents lived in Theydon too (nan still does).
God I haven’t been in the Vic since the late 70s , what a wonderful place
Transport corridors should planned and funded by the community via government. If too little or too much development occurs, it is government who can change land zoning, or build more transport to bring services and land use into balance. Funding of infrastructure from property and general economic taxes, and operations largely from fares aligns benefits with costs.
I love Theydon Bois station. I meet my best friend there from time to time. There is a lovely pub, there as well. Very near the station.
Lists four bridges that William Arrol's civil engineering company had built.
The fourth one being the Forth one.
Natch.
The Central Line north of Leytonstone is a day out in itself
I was brought up there..in the early sixties they had steam trains at night delivering coal to the coal yard which stood where the modern houses in your vid are now..used to go to school on train from the station..many a run over that footbridge to catch a train
Oh what school did you go to because I used to come from Epping right up to Buckhurst Hill .My mate John Rippon used to get on at Theydon Bois to go to Buckhurst Hill as well
@@steveosborne2297 Hi, I went to Bancroft 's ,the name John Rippon is familiar to me..I think a bit older
@@timspooner7609 Bancrofts my second choice after I passed the 11+.
Yeah John’s mum was a nurse she actually knows my Nan when she was ill . Unfortunately from what I read in the BHCHS website he was actually the first one to die some years ago out of our year
Our first year at Buckhurst Hill grammar was 1963
In Frank Muir's book, he mentioned that after leaving a theatre still in make-up and trying to find a particular region, stopped to ask an officer of the law, 'I'm looking for Theydon Bois', to which the officer replied, 'There's none of them around here, sir'!
It’s a beautiful village. I often take the dog to Theydon Bois for long walks in Epping Forest.
Dry humour, even when it’s raining! Thank you Mr Hazzard!
The sound in Norman and Old French sounded like how it does in Bois, we in England kept the old pronunciation, the French changed it.
There's a village nearby named Ferneux Pelham. Local pronunciation murders that too.
There's a Chesham Bois on the edge of Amersham (without a station, unfortunately) I wonder if the same family owned the manor house there.
Just to be boring, that's how the French word "bois" would have been pronounced when the Normans colonised England. The French pronunciation changed over the next few centuries, but once the word got into darkest Essex, it opted out. Cf. Chapel-en-le-Frith, though Frith is an English word: Franglais started early. /pedant
Probably the English pronunciaion has drifted, too, for example between boys and boice.
As I often say, if history had turned out differently we'd all be speaking French now. Sacre Bleu!
Isn't Frith what you get on the top of a cup 'o chino?
How is Chapel-en-le-Frith actually pronounced? I assume Chapel is pronounced the English way (rhyming with apple) and Frith is pronounced as it's spelt. But what about the middle two words? If I had to guess I'd assume it's "On Luh", with the 'n' vocalised, unlike the French pronunciation, but I wouldn't be surprised if someone tells me it's pronounced "Enli".
@@johnm2012 Seems to be pronounced "on luh" (but with "on" like the ordinary English word, not nasalized like French) or "enli", depending on who you ask.
A strong case for the prettiest surroundings of any tube station. My parents brought me here on a day trip when I was 8 and we walked through Epping Forest to catch the bus from Wake Arms to Loughton. My dad and I then went to Ongar! Theydon Bois hasn't grown as much as the other localities; many trains used to terminate at Debden or Loughton so that Theydon Bois and Epping had a relatively poor service, but this has changed over the years.
My old man was a ticket clerk at Ongar in the 60s. We lived in Fyfield. That bit of track was our route into London and the Museums.
In the Colonies where the Tube doesn't go (but would be a great series "Jago does America) there is Boise, Idaho (pronounced boys-ee) and Boise City Oklahoma ( pronounced boys city) the Oklahoma town being remarkable for being bombed by the USAAF in WWII
I love the contrast between the traditional great Eastern architecture, and relatively modern rapid transit and signage! Like a lot of the stations in the central line's eastern stretches!
The anglicised pronunciations of Theydon Bois and Hainault were something I think I half-anticipated before coming to 'know' them. However, the trickier one for me, as a northerner was actually Loughton. I still see it and get torn between Lufton, Lau-ton (like the 'bough' of a tree) and Lawton. Just me?
Reminds me of Beaulieu in the south (where the motor museum is!). In French it's 'beau lieu' - meaning 'beautiful place' - but in Derek Trotter English it's pronounced Bew-Lee.
yes, Beauchamp pronounced Beecham.
The line from Epping to Ongar still uses steam trains of course
Here in Leicestershire we have the Vale of Belvoir - which is pronounced as beaver
Only after they opened the girls only school.
It has always annoyed me that it's Belvoir Castle and not Belvoir Chateaux! Which sits on the Leicestershire/Lincolnshire border (from memory).
Entertaining as usual, Jago! And of course there is Chesham Bois, between Chesham and Amersham, though it's not a station, right out at the end of the Met.
Shh...its our hidden gem. Hardly anybody knows about it so always a parking space for me 😊
Excellent! Thanks for answering all my student questions when looking at the Underground map from 1979 to 1983 (3rd year in Egypt and West Germany).
My cousin Elizabeth welcomes your oblique reference to her current slimming regime!
I shall henceforth pronounce your name as "Zha-DEAU a-ZAAR".
It's not often that I laugh out loud at a video, but the joke about what bridge was most famous was just too funny.
Love the fields round Theydon Bois nice village
I always smile when I hear of this station. The first time I got really drunk at a party [I was in my teens], I fell asleep and overshot my station (Stratford). I woke up to see a station I had NEVER heard of before, and I literally thought I was dreaming. Very weird experience. I also remember that the train I got back to Stratford was the last one of the night.
When I was a guard on the Central Line, I would meet the motorman in the middle of the last few trains into Epping, closing the individual doors. If I could see someone drunk sleeping, I would shout all change and leave the doors on that car open. When I went back to the car where I had left him (In my experience it was always a "him") he would be standing on the platform swaying, looking blearily at the sign that said "Epping" and thinking "where the f*** is that?" Usually they intended to get off at Leytonstone or wherever.
Trekkers note there is a very nice walk from the back of St. Mary's Church in Coppice Row through Epping Forest up to Epping town and station, where you can get the train back. Bon voyage.
I can confirm what Michael Wright said, I studied Medieval French at university.
Indeed /oi/ shifted gradually from medieval [oi] to [oé] by 1700 to [wa] as it is now.
Colloquial Quebec French has kept some of those old pronunciations, like [moé] for “moi”, which almost sounds closer to English boy.
1:20 Bois as [boy] and pronouncing the LT in Hainault is one thing, but Beauvoir and Beauchamp as “Beaver and Beecham” is rather eccentric to this francophone… But then the inhabitants of Warwick, Quebec, pronounce both W’s… And it’s bee- 🐝 for the suburb of Beaconsfield. 😉⚜️
yes it is 'Bee'. just to be contrary i give people the English pronounciation of my surname.
Thanks!
In one of the episodes of the BBC tv comedy series, 'The Fast Show', and in one of the 'Jazz Club' sketches, a jazz musician was introduced as "Theydon Bois on guitar", by the host... Nice 👌!!!
Check it out on UA-cam.
Also a Two Ronnies sketch on a train
Was Clam on bass?
@@AtheistOrphan Spot on!
Performing before or after Jackson Geoffrey Jackson?
The next Toy, Train and Model Collectors Fair at Theydon Bois Villiage Hall is due on the evening of Thursday 10th ( 3rd I cannot remember) December 2021. All being well I will be there selling books on the London Underground and Bus Systems
"Theydon Bois all a bit Queensway if you ask me." Two Ronnies?
Having grown up in Theydon Bois and used the Central Line to get to school from 1978-1985 my main memory is the noise of the doors, the RPAS, and the smell of 1962TS brake dust. As the penultimate station I later learnt that drivers of 62TS (with mollycoddling EP brakes) were expected to use the Westinghouse on approaching Theydon Bois EB platform. Many made a good fist of it; some did not! Lots of brake dust, lots of brake cylinder safety valve noise, and a few overruns. 🙂 Happy days.
I hope that when you do do the promised one on the Epping - Ongar section, it'll be entitled Don't Look Back in Ongar
A picture of a dog and the words "do do" in your comment........
Is that some kind of eufamism that I don't understand ?
"Theydon Bois, Theydon Bois --- lace up boots and corduroys!"
You can tell it's a sleepy place by the fact that both the M11 and M25 pass fairly nearby, but there's no junction with either. But then there are no street lights either, as all the locals go to bed once it gets dark 😀
Only after the pub shuts !!
Well done, Jago! 🎵Let's hear it for the Bois...! 🎶
So if Madonna moved to Theydon Bois, would that make her a Bois Toy? Asking for a friend.
Lets give the Bois a hand!
The Beatles needed a number on their first album that could feature Ringo as lead vocalist. So, THEY DONE "BOYS".
Anyone going around quacking Theydon Bwah used to be spotted instantly as an incomer and promptly stuck in the village pond ducking stool.
Bit harsh that, hope they got a fair trial.
Must admit I left the area in the mid 80s but is the pond still there on the far side of the green . Could be quite useful !
@@steveosborne2297 Last time I was there was late 90's Steve. Probably a Pret by now :-)
I might say "The Bois are back in town", but good taste inhibits me.
I had always assumed that the "Bois", as in French for wood was due to the village's proximity to Epping Forest. I remember when the line went to Ongar and once used that station to visit a friend in Ealing when I lived in Chelmsford and the line into Liverpool St was out of action I wondered if the line was meant to continue to Chelmsford
Not sure about Chelmsford but there was a plan to have the line extended from Ongar to Haverhill via Dunmow
That must have been a good few hour travelling to get all the way over to Ealing.
@@hughtierneytierney3585 From what I recall about two and a half but at least I had a seat throughout. There was a lot of engineering work on the GEML at the time and I'd had a bad experience a few weeks earlier. Having only passed my test a few months ago I didn't fancy driving. It wasn't the most practical solution as the Ongar service only ran a peak times so it was fine travelling out on the Friday morning but had to get a taxi from Epping on my Sunday return. This section was closed a few months later so was worth doing
The Theydon Bois area has become very affluent, over the years.
Indeed! My mum was born there, just before WW2. My grandparents had migrated there from Poplar, and it was considered posh way back then.
That whole area of Essex is rather Tory
Of course the footbridge is what they're most famous for
Brilliant camera work on this one
I love this part of the Centre Line.❤️
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Dear Lord, that pun at the end 😱. Theydon't make them like that any more
Theydon first occurs as Thecdene in 1062.
So, before those Viking migrants landed from Normandy, where they hardly had time to learn French.
2:11 It’s a shame there wasn’t one more bridge on that list, or you could have had the Forth Bridge be the Fourth Bridge! 🤣
@@creamwobbly Yes, there were four mentioned, but this one didn’t appear in that specific list. My point was that he could’ve done an “…and some fo(u)rth bridge in Scotland somewhere” joke if that list had had four items of its own, but it only had three.
Fun fact: The Forth (Rail) Bridge is the first Forth bridge, while the fourth Forth bridge is the Clackmannanshire Bridge (2008), which is the third Forth road bridge after the 1964 Forth Road Bridge (which was the second) and the 1936 Kincardine Bridge (the second Forth bridge but the first Forth road bridge and partially replaced by the Clckmananshire). Meanwhile the fifth Forth bridge and the fourth Forth road bridge is the 2017 Queensferry Crossing partially replacing the second Forth road bridge, the Forth Road Bridge.
Simple, right?
@@Del_S Yes. Have you ever visited Embankment station?
Get your coat....
Reminds me of the Scottish football result: ‘Forfar four, Fife five’
James Nance on Hammond organ, Theydon Bois on guitar, Sid Bellamy on drums, and Clam on bass.
A little over 30 years ago I got a train to Chingford and walked through Epping Forest without much of a map. Eventually I came out to find the extremely incongruous sight of a London Underground roundel in rural Essex. Never been back.
I've always felt that unease with electric trains around the New Forest/Weymouth area and trams in Epping Forest, as once was!
I remember radio and tv presenters from the 70s and the 80s regularly including the phrase " found in a shallow grave in Epping Forest " in their stories .
It was part of the social history of the period
I thought it was going to be "Thanks again to my generous donors on Ko-fi and Patreon, you are the Theydon to my Bois"...
more brilliance to lighten up a dull and drab day
I spent five minutes hotly waiting in anticipation of that pun at the end and it was well worth it.
I sometimes drove from East Herts to Theydon Bois to commute to Canary wharf. I would have loved to live in Theydon Bois. But no chance of affording a property there 😕 😢
I like that sturdy, traditional bus shelter to be seen opposite the shopping parade at 1.39.
Forgot a shot of the fabulous cake shop .always use this shop when we drive there to go to London from stondon massey.
ooo, I'd like and Epping to Onger video though the visuals might be difficult.
I’ve always wondered about the pronunciation. Many thanks, mate.
Ahem! Normans weren't French, they were Scandinavian in origin. Norman - Norse Man.
I learn as much from the comments as I do from the video!
I would absolutely love to see one of these videos about Stratford station. Just how did it end up as the current mishmash. And why on earth does the central line pop out of the ground just for that stop.
The , Woolwich line pre-dated the Central, and ran under Stratford at 90%-ish. Know as Stratford low level. So they had to go over it.
The percent and degrees symbols are way too close together on my phone.....
The area around Stratford station , I’m afraid , was a total mess by the 60s . Pretty much consisted of a load of rundown properties having said that it was a great community . My dad worked for a firm there from the late 1940s until he retired and funny enough I ended up working for exactly the same firm from the mid 70s . As a matter of interest where I actually worked was right under the end of the cycling velodrome from the Olympics .
I always remember my dad coming home from work in the 1950s with a fresh crab for my mum bought from a little fish mongers down Angel Lane , I wonder how many other people remember that shop ?
@@steveosborne2297 I do remember (probably misremember) there was a pub on Angel Lane that, in the late sixties, had local bands on. One band was "Baby Brown". The lead guitarist was a dead ringer for Jimi Hendrix, only he had a Watkins Rapier 33 not a Strat, of course, he didn't play like Jimi....
Happy days.
@@Peasmouldia It also allows cross platform interchange with the Great Eastern Main Line. Once, when a guard on emergency motorman refresher day, The mentor had to tell me to to drop the Deadman's Handle to stop a full train because the weight had gone over the hump. That was bracing.
Never been that far east on the Central Line...definitely a suggestion of Norman French, plus earlier times before final consonants started to disappear. Around here there is a town called Boise, "boy-see" to the residents. I went there in 2017 to see the eclipse. Other PNW shibboleths include Puyallup and Sequim, "pew-all-up" and "squim" unless you want to annoy the locals.
Idaho, I do hope.
@@thomasburke2683 Indeed. 😀 When I cleared Customs the Customs Dude said “Idaho? I thought everybody was going to Oregon for that!”
Yes, locals pronounce it "Thei-den Boys" so the lads were called "The Theydon Bois Boys". It is a beautiful area, only spoilt by permanent road works, speed cameras on every corner and parking restrictions which destroy the Essex village atmosphere which existed up until the 1980s. I drove through there (slowly), a month ago.
Everywhere seems to have permanent roadworks, these days, unfortunately. Not sure how parking restrictions would destroy the village atmosphere, unless the atmosphere you're looking for is endless queues of traffic caused by roads being restricted to a single lane by cars parked down both sides.
How do speed cameras spoil an area? Presumably they are there to reduce the road kill and wouldn't be needed if people drove sensibly. It's cars and their owners that spoil the village atmosphere, not parking restrictions.
@@johnm2012 I'll try to explain. Yes I drive sensibly and wouldn't want to speed anyway, whilst driving through a little village.
However, when the speed limit goes from 30 mph down to 20 mph with speed cameras all over the place, you simply cannot relax.
If you drive around Scotland, the Highlands or Campbeltown for instance where (money cow for the councils) speed cameras have not yet arrived, a wave of relaxation washes over you. You haven't a care in the world. You can drive and admire the scenery and atmosphere. You can stop almost anywhere you want and get out to admire the view. Drink some tea or eat a picnic with no time restrictions or parking limits.
I wouldn't want to speed anyway but the fact that you have speed cameras, means that you cannot relax because you are forever looking at your speedometer to make sure that you are not breaking the 20 mph. At that speed, I think forcing you to keep to 20 mph means that you are looking at your display too often and NOT at the road where your eyes are supposed to be, let alone to enjoy the scenery.
I am 100% in favour of speed cameras on highways and I'd go even further. I think that these cameras should not only look for speeding but for dangerous driving like someone weaving in and our of traffic or tailgating.
But speed cameras in small villages? No! Like restricted parking fines, they are only there to accumulate revenue for the local council.
More importantly, they lower the quality of life for everyone who has to live there or whoever drives through there.
That's my experience and my opinion.
Hainault pronounced Hey Now? Never even occured to me, but now I can't get that Crowded House song out of my head, but if the station ever closes Jago, (Hey Now) Don't Dream It's Over should be the title of the video perhaps, to continue your theme of pop song related titles?
It would be pronounced ehh no, as in Renault. I guess it’s as fanciful in terms of pronunciation as Worcester.
Hainault! Haimault!..
The dream is over....
To.get to Epping...
You should have
Changed at....
Leyyyytonnnnstohne
The question is do Theydon Bois go around the outside or do they leave that to Buffalo Gals?
Oh, and down in Cornwall there is a place called Doublebois - also with a similar irredeemably English pronunciation, presumably because the English couldn't pronounce Dewgoes
The woodwind instrument called the oboe was originally called hautbois (high wood) and there is still a pipe organ stop called hautbois, which uses reeds to sound vaguely reminiscent of the oboe.
Bois is the Norman word for 'wood'.
A french word too means a Forest.
Thanks for another enjoyable and informative video Jago. Having lived in Essex for most of my life years I never knew that about the pronunciation of Bois... but then again my French isn't so good, sacred blue.
Another station I have known since childhood, growing up in nearby Loughton. There is perhaps another explanation for the second part of the station's name: "bois", pronounced the French way, is the French word for wood and there are a lot woods in this area, all part of Epping Forest which is reached just outside the village heading towards the Wake Arms, at the bottom of Piercing Hill. So it could be that the name means "Theydon in the Woods". Kind regards, David, Crouch End, N8.
I am continually bamboozled by how you make me interested in such trivia that has very, very little influence in my life here in Scotland. I suspect sorcery or some such...
The lack of street lighting in the village has always been a mind-boggling mystery to me.
There were proposals to put street lighting in the village but the villagers opposed it
How long ago it was I don't know - I did a video about it this week - the lack of Street lighting
Most old villages don't have street lighting. I think primarily because it would spoil the character.
I spent way too many nights coming home when staying with my grandmother falling down potholes because of the lack of bloody street lighting in that village.
To be honest more dark skies would be a god send...
The night sky is beautiful... 👍
@@BassandoForte errrrmmmm! It's raining here. :/
Are we sure this place wasn't named after The Ydon Bois?
A superb trilogy of trains, tubes and traffic. Trim, taut & triffic.
Thanks for clearing that up, the unknown pronunciations on the tube map were a source of unease.
Good one Jago - back on track!
As they say in Brooklyn USA "Dem boyz is beautiful!" As you can tell I loved the ending.
Chesham Bois was the town next to mine.
I was wondering would you be doing a "Tale From The Tube" video about the Glasgow Subway? I only ask as this micro transit systems' running tunnels are circular in nature and ergo a 'tube'
Titled a "Tale Far From The Tube"
@@nigelt1218 The Glasgow subway is what you call a REAL circle line!
@@HuggyBob62 It is now since the Circle line no longer is.
The Clockwork Orange 😉
@@HuggyBob62 but Glaswegians think of it as two circles, inner and outer
Tres bien, Monsieur Jago. There is a long history of French words and names being Anglicised. Vive le Grande Bretagne!
Except the Bois family were in the area in the 12th century and, in those days, the French still pronounced the final consonants on words. So, in this case, it's actually that the French pronunciation has changed.
'Bois, Bois, Bois' by 80's Italian pop starlet Sabrina, would also have been acceptable ;)
Very fond mammaries of watching her performing that song on TOTP, back in the days before the invention of the sports bra.
You just couldn’t contain yourself could you…….just like Sabrina’s bikini couldn’t contain her!
I can well imagine Benny Hill helping Sabrina on to a bus
So, did the Underground Trains bring all Theydon Bois to the Station?
# ‘Theydon Bois, Theydon Bois. Laced-up boots and corduroys’
So very clever and witty. I always chuckle
I just thought it referred to the Riders of Rohan, more specifically the buddies of the king.