As a tank player, I sometimes have better k/d than enemy tank and my teammates still say tank diff after losing. Its usually the teammates with the most deaths which are most vocal too. Many people playing this game are biased to always blame teammates for failures and not look at the stats.
@@mng8680 stats really dont tell the whole story, ive found they mean even less this season than last seasons. Lots of wins where the stats say we should have lost but we won.
@@itsOZone But stats do tell a part of it in an objective manner, more reliable than how any individual player feels how the game went based on what they personally witnessed. Much more often than not, the team which won had better k/d and damage based on my experience with hundreds of games. Besides k/d, objective contest time is the next biggest factor. If a team manage to contest objective a long time despite being temporarily outnumbered cause of worse k/d, then it might buy them enough time to take objective the next time they win the fight.
Even stranger is looking at the scoreboard, blue has positive KDA where Red only had 2 KDAs positive and the rest negative. This is further proof how the scoreboard doesn't tell the whole story, and people have to stop calling it out. IMO it should have a "reset" for the overall scoreboard every round. It should be pertinent information for that round only, because taking previous rounds into account matter not for the current round. You should be able to view that information, but it should be on another "page" or after the final round of the game. Tabbing should show the current round and its current info. Then we should fix what it shows, but I don't know if they'll ever do that.
Wanna know what’s funny, the uphill battle barely does anything, just 5 more extra points, if it’s an uphill battle and your giving me an average of 20 then fuck me I guess 🙃
Most of my games this season have been super close, I’ve been keeping track of it, idk. I think you just tend to remember the games that you got rolled or you rolled more than close games.
Yeah that sucks In my experience ranked feels very annoying. I have gone on win streaks before then lost one match and dropped by over a whole rank. I don't know if it's just me but it feels terrible to go on a win streak just to lose one match and lose all of that progress in one match
It’s literally just tank and mostly only tank. If someone is having bad games as dps which I couldn’t understand why in THEIR season. Just a skill issue tbh lol
Won a game in overtime last night. We got absolutely steamrolled on defense, stumbled our way to the end on offense, got decently far with our one minute timer and then held off the other team for 5 minutes on their attempt and somehow won. Got nothing for it. Every game is 20 percent for me.
the game is only fun in arcade tbh. ive had a 50/50 game maybe twice ever, you either get rolled or you roll them. and its not fun being either team bc no one likes to be held up in spawn all game and no one likes being able to plow through the team and instantly win. thats what vs ai is for lol
im the same but as support............ cant get off of bronze/silver as tank/dps cuz the game keeps pairing me with a bunch of idiots that dont know how to focus target properly
The expected thing shouldn’t even exist it’s so dumb 😞😞 unless the enemy teams ranks are significantly lower than yours then it shouldn’t count towards your percentage
Literally this shit happens. I go on rollercoasters too and I swear OW is the only game that will kick you in the Wrecking Balls one day, while giving you a win streak higher than a Pharah rocket jump the next. Despite that, OW has those moments. Those small, golden, incredible moments that feel just incredible. Sometimes it's two Rein Chads showing mutual respect, other times it could be entire teams lining up in a conga line and all hopping off the map. Then rarely you become an literal god and wipe away all who stand before you. That's Overwatch magic and damn if it doesn't round out the sharpness of the bad days.
Blizzard has that effect. People want desperately to have those moments of community loving it with all their heart. But the company doesn't have the passion to allow it to happen more often
This is my experience of late. Last night I played sigma because the enemy was running double sniper, I got 26k damage in 14 minutes absolutely controlling the front line and by the end I faced all sigma counters while my DPS kept chain feeding. This morning I got an email that I am banned for a month presumably because I was getting reported for "throwing". There is literally 0 reason to play tank anymore, you get 0 help or gratitude and all the blame.
Blizzard would buff the shit out of tanks by tomorrow if they on mass stopped playing. You can't start games without one. Blizzard has no incentive to buff them if tank players allow such a miserable experience
there should be like a forced role in qp so ppl have to play an unfamiliar role once in a while. i main dps/support and i played tank a few times and it was the worst game experience ever. if u werent getting discorded and melted the minute you peek, ur getting slept any time you join the fight
It sucks you cannot carry on tank anymore. I lost a game the other day as Zarya went 38-1 with 17k damage their tank went 18-11 with about 12k damage. But our tracer went 13-19 compared to their teams tracer who went 27-6. It's like playing out of your mind on tank gives your team the most opportunity to make game winning plays but if they don't there's nothing you can do to overcome that gap on your own.
hahahaa overwatch 2 season 9 tank players are all literally licking walls at this point (me included) do not engage. survive at all costs lmao love your stuf Flats keep it up cheers
According to the 300 games KMK tracked for you, two stack is your highest win rate, trio and solo the worst. Win rate by some streamers: KarQ: 51.68%, Eskay: 55.10%, Emongg: 55.26%, Jay3: 56%, Wanted: 56%, Aspen: 56%
The amount of times I play tank and have my entire teams stats combined with 1/4 the deaths as the enemy apologizes on behalf of blizzard and my team. It is actually crazy how little impact you have on winning as tank if you play incredible, but will always lose if you play bad. I just stopped playing for multiple seasons, back to Reddit Lucio I go. How am I hardstuck plat on my main, then make an alt and get to masters with an 80% winrate on 5 heroes literally trolling the enemy 0 effort, I got teammates who weren’t mouthbreathing mongoloids, it actually showed me that you can’t carry enough to rank up some seasons, or that there is a shadowban system in place, because I’m very toxic in my main, but not my alt, because i get actual human beings on my team, when I say I’d go 58-2 as my teammates go 7-17, 4-13 1-9 regularly, I felt shadowbanned, my friends tell me the account is cursed, I’m not the only one who’s noticed. Having GM players add me to ask “let’s duo GM what’s ur main?” Just for me to cry myself to sleep knowing I’m barely diamond on tank.. I can’t explain the feeling.. it’s enough to break a man Fuck tank.
"we're sending him to the scrap heap. he's dead. turning back. winnable. zen here. on me. killable. he's a freebie. fuck his ass. I'm on the Moira now." lmao
Actually its most of the Time not that Bad... Its Pretty good in most times... But you have your Lost Streaks... With the Card system you did also have sometimes 3-12 until you got your Update... And now... A Bunch of People gets Deranked, and Matched together again... We have to wait until all People are there where they have to be... In Gold you find so many Diamond and Masters Players atm.
2:30 I still remember ML7 and Kragie having a similar conversation after a long loss streak at the start of the season, just replace Flats with ML7 and a despairing KarQ with a despairing Kragie XD
Tank counterswap honestly barely makes a diference, as long as youre able to perform your role (Like flats did playing DVa VS zarya). But every single role has and impact (Usually a negative one if a player isnt being able to perform his role)
Straight off the bat I like how he doesn’t use just stats to say “hur dur, I was better bad teammates” the dude straight out takes accountability. Wish there was more of that in OW2
NGL, Flat's mentality towards the middle of the video is probably the best attitude you can have while doing anything competitive. Don't think of yourself as the loser, envision yourself as the winner, even if you have to fake it for your teammates, then manifest that feeling into reality.
I feel like tank diff doesn't matter the same way in OW2 as it did in OW1. In OW1 the team with better tank synergy usually won. In OW2 the better tank sets their team up for the most opportunity to play well enough to win but you can longer solo carry on tank the same way. A patch or so ago it was usually which team has the better support synergy that would dictate who won the match. Now with how important the DPS passive is it's 100% the DPS that dictate the wins of the match. It's why comps with low healing can function so well and it sucks too knowing that you can play out of your mind on tank and all that does is give your team the best chance to follow through but if you have a tracer that's like 4-11 you're not winning that match even if you go 38-1 on tank and that feels bad.
It’s so crazy that they have the volatile thing where you go really far down if you lose right after you rank up but there isn’t something for going really far up if you win right after you rank down. It just feels like the game generally doesn’t want you to rank up. Like it always feels like you’re punished more than rewarded.
I feel your pain. I had a 5 hr long loss streak. 2 hours in comp, 3 in quickplay. At the end of it I wasn't even tilted anymore. I just wanted to see how long it was going to go.
It takes so long to kill with winston they should make is right click ammo free so he doesnt waste ammo before leaping on someone. He needs all the ammo he can get just to kill a squish squish.
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KarQ: 'losing his mind'
Flats: We can't end on loss
5:14 Enemy zarya going 14-15 vs Flats' 38-7 and saying "tank diff", I want that confidence
As a tank player, I sometimes have better k/d than enemy tank and my teammates still say tank diff after losing. Its usually the teammates with the most deaths which are most vocal too. Many people playing this game are biased to always blame teammates for failures and not look at the stats.
@@mng8680 stats really dont tell the whole story, ive found they mean even less this season than last seasons. Lots of wins where the stats say we should have lost but we won.
@@itsOZone
But stats do tell a part of it in an objective manner, more reliable than how any individual player feels how the game went based on what they personally witnessed. Much more often than not, the team which won had better k/d and damage based on my experience with hundreds of games. Besides k/d, objective contest time is the next biggest factor. If a team manage to contest objective a long time despite being temporarily outnumbered cause of worse k/d, then it might buy them enough time to take objective the next time they win the fight.
Its a joke.
Even stranger is looking at the scoreboard, blue has positive KDA where Red only had 2 KDAs positive and the rest negative. This is further proof how the scoreboard doesn't tell the whole story, and people have to stop calling it out.
IMO it should have a "reset" for the overall scoreboard every round. It should be pertinent information for that round only, because taking previous rounds into account matter not for the current round. You should be able to view that information, but it should be on another "page" or after the final round of the game. Tabbing should show the current round and its current info. Then we should fix what it shows, but I don't know if they'll ever do that.
the way they started fucking losing their mind was kinda funny
Comp is wild, you either roll, or get rolled endlessly and that nasty loss streak debuff is terrible.
Wanna know what’s funny, the uphill battle barely does anything, just 5 more extra points, if it’s an uphill battle and your giving me an average of 20 then fuck me I guess 🙃
I really don’t understand why they kick you while your down
Well... fair. You're either on one side of the coin(roll) or the other(rolled)
@@okwardmexican3800well it means they have a team that is just slightly better, it’s not like they’re team is an entire rank above you
Most of my games this season have been super close, I’ve been keeping track of it, idk. I think you just tend to remember the games that you got rolled or you rolled more than close games.
Watching you guys struggle too makes me feel so much better
happens to everyone.
this season is really rough lol
@@FishyTheKid i've stayed the same rank around d5-3
@@DontBeBad I would argue its easier to climb back to diamond
At the start of the season I easily climbed out of silver to gold. Now I’m hard stuck gold 😭😭 the win to lose ratio SUCKSS
Drill Sargent flats is a new thing for me and I love it.
11:37 was motivationall i gotta say.
Next video is “this is how I fell into diamond after 8 years”
Flats : we can't end on a loss
Also Flats after a win : we play until we lose
Yeah that sucks In my experience ranked feels very annoying. I have gone on win streaks before then lost one match and dropped by over a whole rank. I don't know if it's just me but it feels terrible to go on a win streak just to lose one match and lose all of that progress in one match
I lost a rank and a half with three negative modifiers once. I took a break
Bro i Got 72% loss after a win streak💀💀💀
My friend lost 50%
Lost around 130% from one match the other day. It’s wild
It’s literally just tank and mostly only tank. If someone is having bad games as dps which I couldn’t understand why in THEIR season. Just a skill issue tbh lol
Won a game in overtime last night. We got absolutely steamrolled on defense, stumbled our way to the end on offense, got decently far with our one minute timer and then held off the other team for 5 minutes on their attempt and somehow won. Got nothing for it. Every game is 20 percent for me.
SAMEE. Every game i win, i get no more than 20, usually like 19 or less. Then when i lose, suddenly its -24 or something.
fighting tooth and nail just to see that dumbass 20%. even uphill battles only give 2-3 more percent. insane.
I've won 27/34 games on tank this season and the most I've gone up is 30 (I'm on a 10 win streak right now and just went up 29)
Noooo if you complain they'll take it away again 😂
This is how it always was.
the game is only fun in arcade tbh. ive had a 50/50 game maybe twice ever, you either get rolled or you roll them. and its not fun being either team bc no one likes to be held up in spawn all game and no one likes being able to plow through the team and instantly win. thats what vs ai is for lol
2:33 I guess we found out why the reimu Fumo had depression, because she had to play tank in season 9
meanwhile im fighting for my life with my teeth and nails to stay in gold 5, tank solo queue this season is MISERABLE
Hard facts. Solo tanking is ROUGH and very dependent on the DPS you get grouped with
same for the past week
doesnt matter the rank, solo queue as tank is horrible
solo queue as any role is horrible - you get a team of average solos, not in voice, against good, coordinated 3+ stacks. WTB true solo-only queue.
im the same but as support............ cant get off of bronze/silver as tank/dps cuz the game keeps pairing me with a bunch of idiots that dont know how to focus target properly
Nothing like playing ranked and getting expected on every win and reversal on every loss
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The expected thing shouldn’t even exist it’s so dumb 😞😞 unless the enemy teams ranks are significantly lower than yours then it shouldn’t count towards your percentage
Great mechanic honestly
I dont think ive ever seen flats so passionate about the game
14:28 That is one of the best timed dragons I have ever seen. Good job
Flats’ leadership at Circuit Royale was inspirational
I would be annoyed af if that was in my ear
@@7eddit dont worry your a low rank no one talks in silver so its not gonna be an issue for you
I'm glad to see I'm not the only one who's suffering from endless losses, makes me glad to know a top 500 is also suffering from this
Flats all locked in and cursing up like a Chad.
And Im here for it
Flats out here turning into a middle-aged little league coach dad in VC :D
Literally this shit happens. I go on rollercoasters too and I swear OW is the only game that will kick you in the Wrecking Balls one day, while giving you a win streak higher than a Pharah rocket jump the next.
Despite that, OW has those moments. Those small, golden, incredible moments that feel just incredible. Sometimes it's two Rein Chads showing mutual respect, other times it could be entire teams lining up in a conga line and all hopping off the map. Then rarely you become an literal god and wipe away all who stand before you.
That's Overwatch magic and damn if it doesn't round out the sharpness of the bad days.
Blizzard has that effect. People want desperately to have those moments of community loving it with all their heart. But the company doesn't have the passion to allow it to happen more often
lol yeah I recently played a comp where we all ended up watching a doom 1v1 on point
This is probably one of your best videos. What a treat
This is my experience of late. Last night I played sigma because the enemy was running double sniper, I got 26k damage in 14 minutes absolutely controlling the front line and by the end I faced all sigma counters while my DPS kept chain feeding. This morning I got an email that I am banned for a month presumably because I was getting reported for "throwing".
There is literally 0 reason to play tank anymore, you get 0 help or gratitude and all the blame.
Blizzard would buff the shit out of tanks by tomorrow if they on mass stopped playing. You can't start games without one. Blizzard has no incentive to buff them if tank players allow such a miserable experience
there should be like a forced role in qp so ppl have to play an unfamiliar role once in a while. i main dps/support and i played tank a few times and it was the worst game experience ever. if u werent getting discorded and melted the minute you peek, ur getting slept any time you join the fight
Bro used a slur
It sucks you cannot carry on tank anymore. I lost a game the other day as Zarya went 38-1 with 17k damage their tank went 18-11 with about 12k damage. But our tracer went 13-19 compared to their teams tracer who went 27-6.
It's like playing out of your mind on tank gives your team the most opportunity to make game winning plays but if they don't there's nothing you can do to overcome that gap on your own.
Dude the speeches Flats gave gave me hope for my tank games 😂 made my day 😂
hahahaa overwatch 2 season 9 tank players are all literally licking walls at this point (me included) do not engage. survive at all costs lmao
love your stuf Flats keep it up
cheers
FemboyTyrone was the enemy genji in the first redemption game, but then was the friendly genji in the second redemption game
According to the 300 games KMK tracked for you, two stack is your highest win rate, trio and solo the worst.
Win rate by some streamers: KarQ: 51.68%, Eskay: 55.10%, Emongg: 55.26%, Jay3: 56%, Wanted: 56%, Aspen: 56%
Bro those streams with you and KarQ on a losing streak and then trying to climb back up were some of the best streams I've watched ngl
11:58 HAHHAHAHA KARQ'S "YEESS YEEESSS" is so fucking perfect
that circuit royale game was INSANEEEE
I honestly love this video. From showing your vulnerability to showing us that even the best are struggling with the changes. Also I love KarQ collabs
Dude the pure pain in KarQ’s voice talking about dropping to diamond is fucking sending me it’s so genuine
Holy shit flats locked in making calls is amazing to see
Poor guy was like "i got nervous, i didn't except you guys"
The amount of times I play tank and have my entire teams stats combined with 1/4 the deaths as the enemy apologizes on behalf of blizzard and my team.
It is actually crazy how little impact you have on winning as tank if you play incredible, but will always lose if you play bad.
I just stopped playing for multiple seasons, back to Reddit Lucio I go.
How am I hardstuck plat on my main, then make an alt and get to masters with an 80% winrate on 5 heroes literally trolling the enemy 0 effort, I got teammates who weren’t mouthbreathing mongoloids, it actually showed me that you can’t carry enough to rank up some seasons, or that there is a shadowban system in place, because I’m very toxic in my main, but not my alt, because i get actual human beings on my team, when I say I’d go 58-2 as my teammates go 7-17, 4-13 1-9 regularly, I felt shadowbanned, my friends tell me the account is cursed, I’m not the only one who’s noticed. Having GM players add me to ask “let’s duo GM what’s ur main?” Just for me to cry myself to sleep knowing I’m barely diamond on tank.. I can’t explain the feeling.. it’s enough to break a man
Fuck tank.
"we're sending him to the scrap heap. he's dead. turning back. winnable. zen here. on me. killable. he's a freebie. fuck his ass. I'm on the Moira now." lmao
Bro made Rein look meta on Circuit Royal. Impressive lol
Glad i havent touched comp since season 4, this meta makes me wanna comit war crimes
Actually its most of the Time not that Bad...
Its Pretty good in most times... But you have your Lost Streaks...
With the Card system you did also have sometimes 3-12 until you got your Update...
And now... A Bunch of People gets Deranked, and Matched together again... We have to wait until all People are there where they have to be...
In Gold you find so many Diamond and Masters Players atm.
@@Hogonetrickdamn its almost like i can figure out the annoying heroes are strong(tracer sombra zen) and not want to play cause i play tanks
I haven’t played overwatch comp since overwatch 1 season 4 i think
@@Hogonetrickyour the problem
@@Hogonetrick great comeback💀
"He's such a sweet boy!" had me laughing out loud.
Awesome edit! Saw the come back live and instantly knew this was going to make a great video.
that’s the craziest flats rein gameplay I have seen in A WHIIIILEEEEE.
In this video they got rolled so bad that Karq was losing it then in comes Giga Chad Flats here keeping Karq sane by truly gaming lock in.
2:30 I still remember ML7 and Kragie having a similar conversation after a long loss streak at the start of the season, just replace Flats with ML7 and a despairing KarQ with a despairing Kragie XD
2:55, oh hello Bowie😅
I was on diamond 1 last season I’m in diamond 5 now and all my games have former GM players it’s rough in this rank
Look at the T500 leaderboard it starts at low to mid masters every role every region
@@theepicqronictraxxgary7982Yeah, its rough for people who somehow placed Masters. As they're going up against even better players now
@@theepicqronictraxxgary7982
They need to fix the distribution. Low masters should not harbor Top 500s lol. How many people are in champion? 3?
11:31 , flashbacks to some "different" overwatch content i view on a another website..........
im never seen flats and karq SO focused before, this is insane
This is caused by the constant tank counterswap and lack of tank carry potential
Tank counterswap honestly barely makes a diference, as long as youre able to perform your role (Like flats did playing DVa VS zarya). But every single role has and impact (Usually a negative one if a player isnt being able to perform his role)
@@lnsz-fps-8794 no
Straight off the bat I like how he doesn’t use just stats to say “hur dur, I was better bad teammates” the dude straight out takes accountability. Wish there was more of that in OW2
Honestly i like these videos where flats locks the f in 🤣
Near the end you can hear Flats losing his voice. It somehow makes me feel bad for him? Like, I can hear it in his voice how this is affecting him.
I needed this energy today Flats. Thank you xD
lmao this has to be one of your best videos lmao Flats was MOTIVATED at the end.
NGL, Flat's mentality towards the middle of the video is probably the best attitude you can have while doing anything competitive. Don't think of yourself as the loser, envision yourself as the winner, even if you have to fake it for your teammates, then manifest that feeling into reality.
Actually one of the funniest videos I've seen you upload lol
I love how the insanity turned to hype 😂 Had me cracking up
High level players were sayin that high ranks didn't feel exclusive? Blizzard said hold my entire keg of beer
I watched that circuit royale game live and it was exactly as intense and crazy at it was edited here. Wild match.
11:02 that "fuck you" was PERSONAL lmao
bro this is the best flats video yet, i was dying laughing
1:17 the timing of that widow shot, I’m dead 😂😂
Im so glad that its not just me. You either roll or get rolled there is no in between. This season of OW actually makes me want to stop playing.
Just remember, karq was 1 game away from being able to queue with gold players
One of the best flats videos that I have ever seen. The hyping and commentary reminds me of the flats/emongg duo copium back in OW1. Way to send it.
This the most relatable video you’ve put out yet lmao
I love this level of enthusiasm
I feel like tank diff doesn't matter the same way in OW2 as it did in OW1. In OW1 the team with better tank synergy usually won. In OW2 the better tank sets their team up for the most opportunity to play well enough to win but you can longer solo carry on tank the same way.
A patch or so ago it was usually which team has the better support synergy that would dictate who won the match. Now with how important the DPS passive is it's 100% the DPS that dictate the wins of the match. It's why comps with low healing can function so well and it sucks too knowing that you can play out of your mind on tank and all that does is give your team the best chance to follow through but if you have a tracer that's like 4-11 you're not winning that match even if you go 38-1 on tank and that feels bad.
It’s so crazy that they have the volatile thing where you go really far down if you lose right after you rank up but there isn’t something for going really far up if you win right after you rank down. It just feels like the game generally doesn’t want you to rank up. Like it always feels like you’re punished more than rewarded.
That was super entertaining Flats! Especially the pep talk! 😂
Flats flooding coms
It's been a while since i've seen @Flats get serious and lock in. Good form!
Pov: Streamer doesnt get streamer lobbies and gets what normal players get whenever they play.
I feel your pain. I had a 5 hr long loss streak. 2 hours in comp, 3 in quickplay. At the end of it I wasn't even tilted anymore. I just wanted to see how long it was going to go.
The hammer down followed by the “fuck you” at the Cass ult . I felt that
The best flats vid I HAVE ever seen
The shot calling was so fun to watch.
Not gonna lie that rein game on circuit was hype as fuck😂 and hilarious
That kings row 3rd round was some peak Reinhardt gaming
11:31 when everything reminds you of him 😭
Flats finally experiencing what everyone below gm has complained about since ow2
Thanks flats and karq, I feel much better now about dropping to Diamond from masters 2 (this season). Ended gm 5 last season.
I fell back to plat for the first time since release of ow2 and it hurt to see. Comp games are rough this season.
I tuned into the circuit royale game live and lemme tell you that was the most entertaining game I’ve watched since the World Cup
This video is a prime example of why flats is one of the biggest Overwatch creators
Lmaoooo these are some of the most hilarious moments you can experience whilst gaming
Flats starts to compare themselves to basketball teams and I instantly didn't know what was going on lmao
glad to see that, im not the only who has fallen quite far down the ranks
Absolutely hilarious chat. Loved it
Love the determination at the half of the video. Let's go!!!
KarQ will soon make a vid about Metas and Tier Lists as ex t500, current diamond player 😂
Basketball references, unironically engages me into the content even more
It takes so long to kill with winston they should make is right click ammo free so he doesnt waste ammo before leaping on someone. He needs all the ammo he can get just to kill a squish squish.
Pro-tip, reload before you jump in. Charge during jump and fire as you're coming in. They die in 2 seconds.
I've never heard so many pipe cleaning and basketball references...
those knives at the end were CRAZY sheeeeeesh
Flats wasn't even blinking in the last matches😭😂
dude the comms on circuit royale was incredible.
“We can’t end on a loss”
“We play until we lose”
-Flats
Nathan can always pull defeat from the jaws of victory. Never forget that.
This is the kind of energy I want to see while playing.
that dude said why are you down here😂😂😂
That was the greatest Flats vid ive ever seen