Even though I've seen most all episodes at least twice, you always learn what you may have missed the first two times. Mike Holmes and crew are the very best in what they do. Thanks for reposting on our tube. No typo
"We expected to get a little bit of shine to it but we never expected this diamond." Izabela said it all! What could be more fun than watching the smile on her face. That made us all happy!
I started watching Holmes On Homes around circa 2005 on HGTV. His og crew back then. Show was 30 mins then went to the hour format later in the seasons. Brings back memories.
If your the General Contractor it is your job to make sure things are done correctly. I have had my General Contractor license for 5 years and anything that goes wrong should be caught by him. If he didnt catch it then he didnt do his job. If my subcontractor or employees fail to do their job and i let it slide without catching it that is 100% my fault @@joesmith-es1zy
Yeah. With proper planning all that could been avoided, but yanks love ripping plasterboards and wasting materials. Next time something electrical needs to be done, yeah lets rip the walls open again, instead of putting those into pipes where you can pull new wires
Our house had a double-whammy. The furnace was a new technology high-efficiency furnace with a machine-gun sounding explosive burner. The gas line vibrated like crazy and it was screwed to the floor above, shaking the whole house. A year later the high-tech furnace burned through its casing. The manufacturer sent us, for free, a newer but lower-tech furnace. Thanks, Amana.
The people and the crew was so sweet, I enjoyed every part of this episode. It brings me joy that Mike did this and made people's lives way better. Thank you.
I’d like to know how much this reno changed their electric bill, cause if it was supposedly $200 w/ the prior homeowner, w/ poor install, it might even drop below that. And how much did this reno cost the homeowners?
With it being a TV show, doubt they paid a penny. but in real world costs for a homeowner to hire this amount of work done, anywhere from 30 to 50 thousand. - New Geo unit, new geo field, new ducting, full framing, insulation, and drywall throughout a significant part of the house, electrician to redo all the shoddy electrical work, plumbing rework throughout, driveway brick laying, all new gutters, landscaping.
Here in piedmont area of North Carolina, a "renovation" such as this would run $140,000 USD. The homeowners are extremely blessed to have Mike and his crew do it right! (I was sick when they had to tear up the beautiful brick driveway. Ouch!)
@@toomanymarys7355If you watch the behind-the-scenes episode, for the Mike Holmes shows, they only pay 5-10% of the real-world cost of these Renos, because “by the time we show up, they’re completely tapped out.”
Wow can't believe how bad the GT was installed and they did go with a cheaper option to fix it. Unbelive amount of work they put into fixing this house.
I’m gonna guess that the GT was installed in the early days and hype of GT where little was understood between a good and bad install, and some were trying to get their feet wet in it, trying to decide if it was something they wanted to add to their services. Many failed, I’m sure, due to the high entry costs, the lack of knowledge and resources. Thankfully, tech like this does evolve and grow, but there is a learning curve. Unfortunately, these homeowners got hit with the beginning of it.
I'm sure there were cheaper ways to fix it which would have been good enough. But this is for TV. They want to show how to do it right. Plus the costs while high for a homeowner are reasonable as production cost for an episode of a popular TV show.
Most places require building permits and inspections as work is being done. Since there were clear code violations in plumbing and electrical, plus the ductwork was suspect, my conclusion is the original work was done by the previous homeowner with no permits and no inspections. The system probably never worked properly, and the HVAC guy said the heat pump had been damaged by mis-installation (a refrigerant overcharge damaged the compressor). Tons of work for Holmes and company, but in the end a working system.
There needs to be a law that does not let sellers or realtors walk-away from these major flaws installed by the seller. They should have to pay for these repairs. This is pure evil to sell a home in this condition.
You can't really get window units for heat pumps (they exist but are rare compared to "air conditioner with heater"), and you wouldn't want to leave any unit installed in the window in a Canadian winter as it would compromise the insulation too much.
I disagree on going up through the attic as being viewed so badly. There is a completely legit way to do attic based ducting with suspended lines and good quality well insulated flex ducts. I suspect because they had cold air return through the floor, and vastly undersized return (and probably too small outlets) makes it really a two for one. if you need to increase and move stuff and take out half the ceiling, you might as well take the entire thing and not do patchwork jobs on both the ceiling and vents.
CANADA ! ya got a good one with this guy/crew. a SOLID addition to the country and peoples. Do you take orders for those like him? we need a few thousand like him. preferably into our Government to start with. Then additional orders later on....like 50 or so more orders for each part of my country while we clean stuff up.😁
With all the homes I bought, I brought in a team on top of a inspector that included electricians, plumbers, roofers, HVAC, and foundation people to check out the house. They Checked out everything that the inspector would, not or could not do. It cost me a couple thousand dollars but they found found thousands of dollars of issues and saving me tens of thousands of dollars overtime
@@Mike-bk6uk I agree 100% Those guys are the real deal. These inspection companies are pushing out unqualified inspectors ill prepared or knowledgeable enough to do a thorough enough and proper inspection. I sold one home I had built and the inspector failed the grading under the deck by the hotttub. I took him to task and produced the grade inspection report from the City with a pass. I had in fact added material around the home as it settled after that certificate was issued. I used clay compacted it in place running away from the home and swaled to run to the street as is/was code at the time for that city. I then placed a fabric and crushed lime stone on top for aesthetics. Under the deck areas I had intentionally left access so I could monitor settlement. I did the same under the deck where needed except for the machine tamping in tight quarters. I used water to settle the clay as well as I could. It work perfectly. Water is imho the worst offender of damage to homes. Water infiltration is something you just do not want.
I have had three home inspections over the years, my oldest so has had two, my younger son one, my daughter one. That's seven. They were all useless and did nothing but money. Until home inspectors have to go to a trade school for at least two years and get a government issued ticket they will continue to be useless. Another thing is the fact that the loop supply and return lines were not buried deep enough indicates no permits were pulled. Should part of a house inspection not include copies of all the permits ever pulled and who did the inspections? If permits were pulled and the inspections never done and signed off then the government should have to ante up and pay for their negligence.
what if someone wanted to work for homles ive watched him since i was a kid and love what he does! i have some remodeling experience my uncle owns his own remodeling business and ive worked for him for the past year. i have power tool knowledge and safety aspects as well. hope to hear back, have a great day everyone!
Probably more work (and expense) to remove than it was worth, plus it's always a good idea to have a backup heating system, especially in a place where it gets really cold.
Interesting project but Im amazed you are using spray foam? Real issues with it and old house retrofits. Lots of problem with mold and sil rot in older houses and some insurers will no longer cover its used in attics here in the US and UK has major problems with mortage companied not willing to write mortgages.
Mike I have a question for you about the jobs you have done. Have any of the families that you have redone bad renovations and made it right for the homeowners have the homeowners had their property taxes raised so much more that they could not afford to live in the house anymore
That’s an absurd question because if you can only afford to live in a broken down, dangerous or poorly heated or cooled house then you’re living beyond your means. The property tax issue would only arise when the house is sold wouldn’t it? So if a mike Holmes house sells for a lot more because it’s a much better home then perhaps prop taxes would go up. I’m not sure what kind of mind would find problems with what Holmes does.
Property taxes are usually assessed on outward improvements. Things you can see on the outside. Add on a porch or shed, taxes go up. Put up an interior wall to make a third bedroom, taxes stay the same
Wouldn't it be great if any of these home repair shows shared the cost of what you just saw the homeowner having to pay. it keeps it real. Why watch all this and not know what it would cost if you need to have something like this done. I could imagine this job was nearing US$60,000.
Aside from the very poor installation ,Geo-thermal only works if the ground is good for it. Most systems don't work as they should. Basically the ground is not warm enough, but it is good for cooling without a compressor.
In the later seasons they started putting up the costs of the renovation. Ball park 150-200k for this, homeowners pay 50% of that, the network covered the other half. They got the money back through ad revenue so it wasn't a loss for the network. They will not do that now with the decline of network TV and skyrocketing inflation rates, this was 2010 what a difference 14 years makes.
@@BobDevV Maybe in 2010 they didn't think it was bad to use those leaf guard things. Maybe like shingles on a roof they have a BBD, and need to be replaced after a certain amount of time.
If you want to use geothermal for heating and you're interested in efficiency, you should be using water loops in the floor (heated floors). However, there's no sensible way to add that to an existing building. Geothermal works best when the heat extracted from the ground is as close to the temperature you actually need as possible. In case of water loops in the floors, you can use 23-30 °C water even during the coldest days so there's no need to heat the water any warmer with the heat pump.
Mike Holmes is named in a lawsuit over 'green' homes in Canada that were "Holmes Approved" homes. He never answered the complaints until there was a news report about it
Didnt he say he wasnt "involved"? Would be funny for a come back episode with him touring one of the houses pointing out all the mistakes that were made.
"Green" heating systems with heat pumps are complex and expensive, but at least the new geothermal system as built by Holmes' team should be able to pay for itself during its lifetime. In Germany homeowners are being obligated to replace fully functional conventional heating systems by heat pump systems which also require a perfectly insulated house. The new heating system and insulation can cost upwards of US$100.000, which will lead to many people losing their homes.
31 December 2044 is the cut-off point for the use of fossil fuels in heating systems (in Germany). Existing heating systems can be continued to be used and repaired. 100k USD is too high of an average cost.
@@infinitelo_op If your oil or gas heating cannot be repaired, you are forced to replace it with a "green" energy based system which for geothermal will cost you close to US$30.000. As a heat pump system requires a well insulated house and a low temperature heating system, you will likely need to do a full energetic renovation ("energetische Sanierung") of the home as well (especially any home built before the 1980s): insulation of roof, walls and basement, replace windows and install in-floor heating. All of this will cost way above US$100,000, even after you subtract the government subsidies of tens of thousands. Watch this UA-cam video for some estimates: "Reichen 150.000€ für eine Sanierung? Energieberater klärt auf!" I have many friends who are in this situation with older houses, and they sure hope, that their current heating system will last them a while longer, but it has to be replaced before it gets 30 years old (1994 or newer), which could be quite soon.
@@ikaruseijin01 did you buy into the "green" energy propaganda? How many years for your ROI including additional insulation required for the heat pump? If you're anti-oil, how is the resale value of your EV developing?
A louver on the closet door will solve the return issue. Insulation on the bottom of the roof solves the attic duct issue. Pretty common around here to have ducts in the attic but both the floor and roof are insulated.
As a Brit and ExTech.Electrician (now retired) I can see parallels with the "inspectors". Have to ask, why aren't they liable? What use are they? It seems as in UK they can say virtually nothing take the money and run. New Builds are notorious for using sub par labour and their OWN "inspectors" to pass a far below standards house. Its very obvious that in both countries that government laws are critically missing, as is enforcement. Mikes programmes just underline that.
Honestly, this should be labeled fraud. Not the work being done to fix the issues but i mean the house itself. All the issues with the house should have a disclosure somewhere. A lot of that wiring seems intentional.
I would also love to see maybe a season followup of chasing down these scam artists who prey on all segments of society with such shoddy and even dangerous work. Lawsuits, court appearances, fines, jail time, etc would make for a satisfying episode of final justice.
Sadly, Mike Holmes has spoken about how hard it is to hold these contractors accountable. Even when you go after them and drag them through the court system the victims still lose. You can win the case and be awarded damages and they will just declare bankruptcy and "liquidate" the business. Within six months they are back up and going again with a different name on the side of the van.
17:00 As a Finn, having the piping in the ground pretty close to surface is totally okay if you have good enough insulation above it. Here in Finland, we would typically use e.g. 80 mm FF-EPS layer above such piping. Of course, if buried deep enough, you wouldn't need extra insulation layer at all.
It wouldn't be enough to put insulation above it, you'd need insulation entirely around it. The ground itself will freeze around the tube so there's no directionality there. It also depends where you are in Finland. In parts of the south and west of Finland the frost depth is only 20cm or less. Holmes' shows are shot in mostly southern Ontario where the frost depth is roughly 120 cm, which is more similar to northern Finland. In this video, we see the tubes were buried ~45 cm deep in an area with a frost depth of 120 cm.
@@guspaz I live in Central Finland and here the frost depth is around 170 cm if I remember correctly. Having insulation above the pipe is enough if you extend the insulation to the sides widely enough. If you have 200 cm wide FF-EPS insulation panels (two layers with seams offset, probably 80 mm thick panels) for a single pipe, it should be enough for 45 cm deep installation because frost doesn't go very effectively sideways. However, 200 cm wide insulation may be more expensive than having insulation all around the pipe but flat insulation is faster to install.
I would love to see geothermal take off like wildfire across the country- not just province- excellent work - install it - Where It Can Be Worked On !!!! Awesome !!!! :)
After my brother had a roof on his home finished I went into Mike Holmes mood as if it was my home. I had to calm down. hahahahahahahaha I know this work had to have cost $1,000s. I am glad the work could be done. woo wee.
That wasn't the issue, they probably had the one way valve installed - but since the connection was in copper, the copper pipes carried the heat from the pipes back to the geothermal unit via conduction.
Did you see in the final showing of the water heater? There was two tanks. One the geothermal would preheat every time it ran. the original install it was installed directly to the electric water heater. It's is something I see all the time with bad geothermal installs.
I'd like to know why some inspectors no longer use infrared testing equipment? Why do they say they cause more grief for potential new owner. Interesting video, I never installed residential only serviced, and DIY home owners were the worst when it came to fixing their own equipment.
Wouldn't it be nice if they disclosed the vendors that screw nice people over on these programs? I would definitely love that to be part of making them whole.
Surprised removing all existing HVAC equipment and installing another geothermal heat pump was the best option from a return on investment standpoint. New duct work would not have been required with radiator heat or mini split heads. Cold climate air source heat pumps are a viable alternative to geothermal in many areas.
I expect that's what the homeowners wanted. The existing ductwork was junk, radiators would have required a boiler and plumbing, and mini splits aren't a great idea for a whole house.
It doesn't matter who's work I follow up on. (Different type of job, but same idea) Even if I revisit something I did, later on, i see ways to improve it. It's easy to be a monday morning quarterback, and a good thing if you arenct an #*s about it. Fine tuning is a good thing.
It is more efficient than straight electrical heating since they use the phase changes of a refrigerant to move heat energy around. You can efficiently suck heat out of even -15°C air. So you get more heat in your home per watt of energy you pay for. If everyone in Canada switched from baseboards to mini-splits the heating bills would drop by a full 2/3 at least... at least. If people went geothermal on top of that it would make it even cheaper.
Learned that I would never want this system in my home. What a pain in the tookus. "Green" energy seems to translate as you'll be spending a lot of green and it's not a simple or good solution at all.
Never buy a house with a geothermal heat pump. They are extremely expensive to install and maintain, and if your wellfield fails, you are completely screwed. In most areas in North America, the energy cost savings (if there is any at all because in cold areas you still need electric or gas backup heat) will never pay back the cost of the equipment.
Probably not going to work in Northern Ontario, made mostly on granite, where it gets bitterly cold being that close to the Arctic. Southern Ontario is mostly limestone so it's softer but also closer to five major great lakes with a high water table. I am guessing from the number on the thermostat for the geo thermal guys, they are near London/Winsor because of the 519 area code. Green technology is still very new so most people don't even know how it works or what the benefits are, and there is very little training on it.
Even though I've seen most all episodes at least twice, you always learn what you may have missed the first two times. Mike Holmes and crew are the very best in what they do. Thanks for reposting on our tube. No typo
"We expected to get a little bit of shine to it but we never expected this diamond." Izabela said it all! What could be more fun than watching the smile on her face. That made us all happy!
She is the most wonderful woman. This family is the most special and deserving.
Such a gracious lady... and truly thankful people. This is beautiful❤
Such a sweet couple. Love their reactions.
Love me some Holmes and the crew!
I never even knew of this show until a month ago, and binged many of them since.
Ditto.
I've been watching them on TV for years. Look for the other shows he has done. It is crazy watching his kids then vs. now.
Hi @@tsunamirojomajore1762, can you please name the other shows. I’d like to give them a watch to.
Same here
I started watching Holmes On Homes around circa 2005 on HGTV. His og crew back then. Show was 30 mins then went to the hour format later in the seasons. Brings back memories.
I always learn something new from Mike Holmes and his crew. Thank you
You need to watch the video about , Mike’s subdivision having all types of structural problems , they even demolished some of the houses .
@@cameronhamer9432 You do realize that when you build a subdivision most things are done by subcontractors, not by Mike himself?
If your the General Contractor it is your job to make sure things are done correctly. I have had my General Contractor license for 5 years and anything that goes wrong should be caught by him. If he didnt catch it then he didnt do his job. If my subcontractor or employees fail to do their job and i let it slide without catching it that is 100% my fault
@@joesmith-es1zy
Absolutely! Mike Holmes and his crew are fantastic. You're welcome!
Wohoo!!!!!…… We’ve been waiting patiently for another video thanks. Is there anyone better the Mike Holmes?
Honestly id rhink not..well nobody else has come forward anyhow.abd if so thn thanks also for doing it right
Bob Villa
Bob Villa? Not a chance. @@theone2be33
I love his shows and will continue to watch no matter what. Every construction student should watch.
So much work plus the extra work. UNREAL!!!!!!!
Yeah. With proper planning all that could been avoided, but yanks love ripping plasterboards and wasting materials. Next time something electrical needs to be done, yeah lets rip the walls open again, instead of putting those into pipes where you can pull new wires
Our house had a double-whammy. The furnace was a new technology high-efficiency furnace with a machine-gun sounding explosive burner. The gas line vibrated like crazy and it was screwed to the floor above, shaking the whole house.
A year later the high-tech furnace burned through its casing. The manufacturer sent us, for free, a newer but lower-tech furnace. Thanks, Amana.
The people and the crew was so sweet, I enjoyed every part of this episode. It brings me joy that Mike did this and made people's lives way better. Thank you.
Wow! That new installation turned night into day. Thanks. 😎
As always Mike and his crew go above and beyond.
Thanks. I love to see the way you guys work together. Especially happy to see Frank, I hope that he is doing well. Love you all❤
Waldek and Iza are super happy with the work! Awesome Polish people.
Polish explains it all
What a big job...love watching Mike Holmes and his crews.
I’d like to know how much this reno changed their electric bill, cause if it was supposedly $200 w/ the prior homeowner, w/ poor install, it might even drop below that.
And how much did this reno cost the homeowners?
With it being a TV show, doubt they paid a penny. but in real world costs for a homeowner to hire this amount of work done, anywhere from 30 to 50 thousand. - New Geo unit, new geo field, new ducting, full framing, insulation, and drywall throughout a significant part of the house, electrician to redo all the shoddy electrical work, plumbing rework throughout, driveway brick laying, all new gutters, landscaping.
Depends on utility cost but I am guessing this work has a roughly a 25+ year simple payback. Sadly all great things but makes poor financial sense
❤this episode...wish Holmes & team could come to this house!
It's really unsettling that the first home inspector didn't flag any of those bad issues.
Lesson learned: thorough inspections are the real MVPs!
Eyes don't lies. Everyone is genuinely happy.
Glad to see you guys back!
Here in piedmont area of North Carolina, a "renovation" such as this would run $140,000 USD. The homeowners are extremely blessed to have Mike and his crew do it right! (I was sick when they had to tear up the beautiful brick driveway. Ouch!)
The homeowners have to pay for most of it on these shows. They got taken for a ride. :( Most was totally unnecessary.
@@toomanymarys7355If you watch the behind-the-scenes episode, for the Mike Holmes shows, they only pay 5-10% of the real-world cost of these Renos, because “by the time we show up, they’re completely tapped out.”
Love the smiles and the end what a great show
Lovely people and, as ever, an all-pro HoH team.
This is nearly making me sick. I can SO put myself in their place and seeing the basement torn out because of what was done wrong just hurts.
You guys always do a great job! I love you work ethic and quality work!!
Some inspector from the city had to inspect that at some point. If it was the city hall people would know me by my first name.
Far too many municipal inspectors do a curbside inspection or just a stroll-through while chatting with their pal the builder.
Lot of work involved. Nice job
Finally a new episode I seen them all ty for sharing it
May God bless you also your team
Love Mikes work. I wish he could have also put a team of lawyers to go after the bad contractors
Terrace Woods. Have fun with that.
Turns out Mike is just a shill, they’re tearing down Holmes
Branded house. Give it a google
The homeowners were morons buying houses without inspection
@@thumper84 except in this case it wouldn't have mattered because their inspector passed the house.
The most important lesson I learned here was how to punch a hole through sheet metal using a hammer to side slam a screwdriver.
@23:48: Oh, that's some beautiful ductwork. That's truly professional.
Delightful family. 😍
Wow can't believe how bad the GT was installed and they did go with a cheaper option to fix it. Unbelive amount of work they put into fixing this house.
I’m gonna guess that the GT was installed in the early days and hype of GT where little was understood between a good and bad install, and some were trying to get their feet wet in it, trying to decide if it was something they wanted to add to their services.
Many failed, I’m sure, due to the high entry costs, the lack of knowledge and resources.
Thankfully, tech like this does evolve and grow, but there is a learning curve. Unfortunately, these homeowners got hit with the beginning of it.
I'm sure there were cheaper ways to fix it which would have been good enough. But this is for TV. They want to show how to do it right. Plus the costs while high for a homeowner are reasonable as production cost for an episode of a popular TV show.
My dad was a hvac guy he put the first geo thermal unit inside our house first ever in Indiana
Most places require building permits and inspections as work is being done. Since there were clear code violations in plumbing and electrical, plus the ductwork was suspect, my conclusion is the original work was done by the previous homeowner with no permits and no inspections. The system probably never worked properly, and the HVAC guy said the heat pump had been damaged by mis-installation (a refrigerant overcharge damaged the compressor). Tons of work for Holmes and company, but in the end a working system.
outstanding
There should be "Holmes Inspections" in the states as well
There needs to be a law that does not let sellers or realtors walk-away from these major flaws installed by the seller. They should have to pay for these repairs. This is pure evil to sell a home in this condition.
for the cost of materials that are torn out , the amount of work on the home , I really wonder if there is any money saved over window units
You can't really get window units for heat pumps (they exist but are rare compared to "air conditioner with heater"), and you wouldn't want to leave any unit installed in the window in a Canadian winter as it would compromise the insulation too much.
Amazing work. No idea how they can afford all the parts and labor. How much was the total bill, like $150k?
We really loved the $10 wood paneling so we had to have it
I disagree on going up through the attic as being viewed so badly. There is a completely legit way to do attic based ducting with suspended lines and good quality well insulated flex ducts.
I suspect because they had cold air return through the floor, and vastly undersized return (and probably too small outlets) makes it really a two for one. if you need to increase and move stuff and take out half the ceiling, you might as well take the entire thing and not do patchwork jobs on both the ceiling and vents.
CANADA ! ya got a good one with this guy/crew. a SOLID addition to the country and peoples. Do you take orders for those like him? we need a few thousand like him. preferably into our Government to start with. Then additional orders later on....like 50 or so more orders for each part of my country while we clean stuff up.😁
If it's done properly... Thankfully, the homeowners have Mr. Holmes on it now.
Every time it is the so called professional home inspectors that fail the buyers. There are some very good ones but they are few and far between.
With all the homes I bought, I brought in a team on top of a inspector that included electricians, plumbers, roofers, HVAC, and foundation people to check out the house. They Checked out everything that the inspector would,
not or could not do. It cost me a couple thousand dollars but they found found thousands of dollars of issues and saving me tens of thousands of dollars overtime
@@Mike-bk6uk I agree 100% Those guys are the real deal. These inspection companies are pushing out unqualified inspectors ill prepared or knowledgeable enough to do a thorough enough and proper inspection. I sold one home I had built and the inspector failed the grading under the deck by the hotttub. I took him to task and produced the grade inspection report from the City with a pass. I had in fact added material around the home as it settled after that certificate was issued. I used clay compacted it in place running away from the home and swaled to run to the street as is/was code at the time for that city. I then placed a fabric and crushed lime stone on top for aesthetics. Under the deck areas I had intentionally left access so I could monitor settlement. I did the same under the deck where needed except for the machine tamping in tight quarters. I used water to settle the clay as well as I could. It work perfectly. Water is imho the worst offender of damage to homes. Water infiltration is something you just do not want.
As a former contractor myself I watched everyone like a hawk. Everyone worked like a pro and no corners were cut...
I have had three home inspections over the years, my oldest so has had two, my younger son one, my daughter one. That's seven. They were all useless and did nothing but money. Until home inspectors have to go to a trade school for at least two years and get a government issued ticket they will continue to be useless.
Another thing is the fact that the loop supply and return lines were not buried deep enough indicates no permits were pulled. Should part of a house inspection not include copies of all the permits ever pulled and who did the inspections? If permits were pulled and the inspections never done and signed off then the government should have to ante up and pay for their negligence.
what if someone wanted to work for homles ive watched him since i was a kid and love what he does! i have some remodeling experience my uncle owns his own remodeling business and ive worked for him for the past year. i have power tool knowledge and safety aspects as well. hope to hear back, have a great day everyone!
How come the backup electric heat wasnt removed??
Awsome process and finished work!
Probably more work (and expense) to remove than it was worth, plus it's always a good idea to have a backup heating system, especially in a place where it gets really cold.
It's in the name, backup. You don't want to have to evacuate your home because the geothermal failed when it was 20 below outside.
Interesting project but Im amazed you are using spray foam? Real issues with it and old house retrofits. Lots of problem with mold and sil rot in older houses and some insurers will no longer cover its used in attics here in the US and UK has major problems with mortage companied not willing to write mortgages.
mold and sil rot are problems when it isn't done right. They did it right in this home.
Mike I have a question for you about the jobs you have done. Have any of the families that you have redone bad renovations and made it right for the homeowners have the homeowners had their property taxes raised so much more that they could not afford to live in the house anymore
And you think Mike knows that?
@leestebbins5051 I don't know what he knows that's why I ask Mike Holmes that question
That’s an absurd question because if you can only afford to live in a broken down, dangerous or poorly heated or cooled house then you’re living beyond your means. The property tax issue would only arise when the house is sold wouldn’t it? So if a mike Holmes house sells for a lot more because it’s a much better home then perhaps prop taxes would go up. I’m not sure what kind of mind would find problems with what Holmes does.
Property taxes are usually assessed on outward improvements. Things you can see on the outside. Add on a porch or shed, taxes go up. Put up an interior wall to make a third bedroom, taxes stay the same
@@Lmiller201, this is true if the homeowner does the work and there are no permits. If there are permits, it will increase taxes.
Wouldn't it be great if any of these home repair shows shared the cost of what you just saw the homeowner having to pay. it keeps it real. Why watch all this and not know what it would cost if you need to have something like this done. I could imagine this job was nearing US$60,000.
I would be shocked if it was less than $150,000 wouldn't be surprised if it was over 200
22:38, that looks professional...
Aside from the very poor installation ,Geo-thermal only works if the ground is good for it.
Most systems don't work as they should.
Basically the ground is not warm enough, but it is good for cooling without a compressor.
That wood paneling TRIGGERED MY P.T.S.D. BAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I wonder what the cost was ? $2k per hole ?? $10k for the unit, another $10 for the duct, $5k for the carpentry, $3k for the electrical
13:37 I hate those tiles more than drop ceilings.
What did all of this work cost? Compared to the price of the house? Nice to see, but not likely affordable.
In the later seasons they started putting up the costs of the renovation. Ball park 150-200k for this, homeowners pay 50% of that, the network covered the other half. They got the money back through ad revenue so it wasn't a loss for the network. They will not do that now with the decline of network TV and skyrocketing inflation rates, this was 2010 what a difference 14 years makes.
@@BobDevV Maybe in 2010 they didn't think it was bad to use those leaf guard things. Maybe like shingles on a roof they have a BBD, and need to be replaced after a certain amount of time.
If you want to use geothermal for heating and you're interested in efficiency, you should be using water loops in the floor (heated floors). However, there's no sensible way to add that to an existing building. Geothermal works best when the heat extracted from the ground is as close to the temperature you actually need as possible. In case of water loops in the floors, you can use 23-30 °C water even during the coldest days so there's no need to heat the water any warmer with the heat pump.
Mike Holmes is named in a lawsuit over 'green' homes in Canada that were "Holmes Approved" homes.
He never answered the complaints until there was a news report about it
Didnt he say he wasnt "involved"? Would be funny for a come back episode with him touring one of the houses pointing out all the mistakes that were made.
He's NOT A SCAM ARTIST THIS GUY KNOWS HIS SHIT JUST LIKE THE MILITARY HES A LEADER AND I WOULD BE PROUD TO SERVE UNDER HIS COMMAND
He's still a wealth of knowledge and I've learned so much watching his shows. My opinion has not changed. I will continue to watch.
the contractor he partnered with was a poor fit.
"Green" heating systems with heat pumps are complex and expensive, but at least the new geothermal system as built by Holmes' team should be able to pay for itself during its lifetime. In Germany homeowners are being obligated to replace fully functional conventional heating systems by heat pump systems which also require a perfectly insulated house. The new heating system and insulation can cost upwards of US$100.000, which will lead to many people losing their homes.
31 December 2044 is the cut-off point for the use of fossil fuels in heating systems (in Germany). Existing heating systems can be continued to be used and repaired. 100k USD is too high of an average cost.
me everytime i hear Green i think Scam
@@Revkor Bought into the pro-oil propaganda I see.
@@infinitelo_op If your oil or gas heating cannot be repaired, you are forced to replace it with a "green" energy based system which for geothermal will cost you close to US$30.000. As a heat pump system requires a well insulated house and a low temperature heating system, you will likely need to do a full energetic renovation ("energetische Sanierung") of the home as well (especially any home built before the 1980s): insulation of roof, walls and basement, replace windows and install in-floor heating.
All of this will cost way above US$100,000, even after you subtract the government subsidies of tens of thousands. Watch this UA-cam video for some estimates: "Reichen 150.000€ für eine Sanierung? Energieberater klärt auf!"
I have many friends who are in this situation with older houses, and they sure hope, that their current heating system will last them a while longer, but it has to be replaced before it gets 30 years old (1994 or newer), which could be quite soon.
@@ikaruseijin01 did you buy into the "green" energy propaganda? How many years for your ROI including additional insulation required for the heat pump?
If you're anti-oil, how is the resale value of your EV developing?
A louver on the closet door will solve the return issue. Insulation on the bottom of the roof solves the attic duct issue. Pretty common around here to have ducts in the attic but both the floor and roof are insulated.
I would make the entire basement the master bedroom after the work that was done there.
As a Brit and ExTech.Electrician (now retired) I can see parallels with the "inspectors". Have to ask, why aren't they liable? What use are they? It seems as in UK they can say virtually nothing take the money and run. New Builds are notorious for using sub par labour and their OWN "inspectors" to pass a far below standards house. Its very obvious that in both countries that government laws are critically missing, as is enforcement. Mikes programmes just underline that.
what were the utilities cost per month before and after? what was the cost of the renovations?? cant believe they dont say
Honestly, this should be labeled fraud. Not the work being done to fix the issues but i mean the house itself. All the issues with the house should have a disclosure somewhere. A lot of that wiring seems intentional.
I would also love to see maybe a season followup of chasing down these scam artists who prey on all segments of society with such shoddy and even dangerous work. Lawsuits, court appearances, fines, jail time, etc would make for a satisfying episode of final justice.
Sadly, Mike Holmes has spoken about how hard it is to hold these contractors accountable. Even when you go after them and drag them through the court system the victims still lose. You can win the case and be awarded damages and they will just declare bankruptcy and "liquidate" the business. Within six months they are back up and going again with a different name on the side of the van.
if you use mould resistant everything but the mud and tape is conventional..... is the seems a fail point for mould?
why not name the company that installed the equipment wrong?
Some spineless network lawyer would object.
I'm not sure they actually know who installed the original equipment, apparently there was no paperwork.
probably don't know. It is the inspector that failed to identify any of the issues that needs to be named.
17:00 As a Finn, having the piping in the ground pretty close to surface is totally okay if you have good enough insulation above it. Here in Finland, we would typically use e.g. 80 mm FF-EPS layer above such piping. Of course, if buried deep enough, you wouldn't need extra insulation layer at all.
It wouldn't be enough to put insulation above it, you'd need insulation entirely around it. The ground itself will freeze around the tube so there's no directionality there. It also depends where you are in Finland. In parts of the south and west of Finland the frost depth is only 20cm or less. Holmes' shows are shot in mostly southern Ontario where the frost depth is roughly 120 cm, which is more similar to northern Finland. In this video, we see the tubes were buried ~45 cm deep in an area with a frost depth of 120 cm.
@@guspaz I live in Central Finland and here the frost depth is around 170 cm if I remember correctly. Having insulation above the pipe is enough if you extend the insulation to the sides widely enough. If you have 200 cm wide FF-EPS insulation panels (two layers with seams offset, probably 80 mm thick panels) for a single pipe, it should be enough for 45 cm deep installation because frost doesn't go very effectively sideways.
However, 200 cm wide insulation may be more expensive than having insulation all around the pipe but flat insulation is faster to install.
7:31 "suspect plumbing"? No way! That is plain illegal plumbing. The stink and the possible methane gas in the house is illegal.
Who is billed for this work? Could they not just junk the geothermal system and put in mini splits and heat pumps?
You do know the Geothermal system is a heat pump? It is ground source heat pump. I believe you are referring to an air source heat pump.
I was like to bet on how long it takes for the ceiling to come down...LOL
What would be the approximate cost of a job like this?
@28:42: Oops. Sorry about your patio furniture.
I would love to see geothermal take off like wildfire across the country- not just province- excellent work - install it - Where It Can Be Worked On !!!! Awesome !!!! :)
oh darn she didn't hug mike
After my brother had a roof on his home finished I went into Mike Holmes mood as if it was my home. I had to calm down. hahahahahahahaha I know this work had to have cost $1,000s. I am glad the work could be done. woo wee.
Geothermals work well. The customer needs to learn to change the water filters once in a awhile if its a water source unit.
Hot Water heaters, like cold water chillers are a sign of professionalism.
Why do you need to heat water that is already hot? It is just a water heater, or just a chiller.
Wow so they actualy used the water heater to heat the house! Genius pluming... why isnt there a one way valve installed so this cannot happen?
That wasn't the issue, they probably had the one way valve installed - but since the connection was in copper, the copper pipes carried the heat from the pipes back to the geothermal unit via conduction.
@@MrAntarpreets You could be right good point
Did you see in the final showing of the water heater? There was two tanks. One the geothermal would preheat every time it ran. the original install it was installed directly to the electric water heater. It's is something I see all the time with bad geothermal installs.
I'd like to know why some inspectors no longer use infrared testing equipment? Why do they say they cause more grief for potential new owner. Interesting video, I never installed residential only serviced, and DIY home owners were the worst when it came to fixing their own equipment.
why would geothermal lines freeze? they are filled with a special anti-freeze fluid, not water.
That inspector must have done a drive by inspection
Wonder what the total cost was, has to be near or beyond 100k. Who footed the bill?
Wouldn't it be nice if they disclosed the vendors that screw nice people over on these programs? I would definitely love that to be part of making them whole.
We the people should know who exactly installed the existing geothermal system.
Surprised removing all existing HVAC equipment and installing another geothermal heat pump was the best option from a return on investment standpoint.
New duct work would not have been required with radiator heat or mini split heads. Cold climate air source heat pumps are a viable alternative to geothermal in many areas.
I expect that's what the homeowners wanted. The existing ductwork was junk, radiators would have required a boiler and plumbing, and mini splits aren't a great idea for a whole house.
It doesn't matter who's work I follow up on. (Different type of job, but same idea) Even if I revisit something I did, later on, i see ways to improve it. It's easy to be a monday morning quarterback, and a good thing if you arenct an #*s about it. Fine tuning is a good thing.
I'm not sure I could afford geothermal but I would go for a simple heat pump/mini-split system.
It is more efficient than straight electrical heating since they use the phase changes of a refrigerant to move heat energy around. You can efficiently suck heat out of even -15°C air. So you get more heat in your home per watt of energy you pay for. If everyone in Canada switched from baseboards to mini-splits the heating bills would drop by a full 2/3 at least... at least. If people went geothermal on top of that it would make it even cheaper.
Do ppl like this couple get insurance to pay or legal measures?
I doubt it... may have gotten a discount for being on TV tho...
Why did they use boob lights instead of LEDs? The LEDs would’ve been flush with the ceiling, giving them more headroom.
This was filmed in 2010, a couple years before those products were widespread
Thats the way how we do it.
Learned that I would never want this system in my home. What a pain in the tookus. "Green" energy seems to translate as you'll be spending a lot of green and it's not a simple or good solution at all.
WHY BOTHER GETTING A HOME INSPECTION BECAUSE EVERY PLACE MIKE GOSE TO FAILS
TEACH AND CERTIFIED HOME INSPECTION PEOPLE
Because a good inspection can really help. Just do some research, talk to other home buyers on who they used.
These shows cover only people who had _bad_ inspections. They don't show the people who got _good_ inspections.
The beauty of pros ay their best
Never buy a house with a geothermal heat pump. They are extremely expensive to install and maintain, and if your wellfield fails, you are completely screwed. In most areas in North America, the energy cost savings (if there is any at all because in cold areas you still need electric or gas backup heat) will never pay back the cost of the equipment.
Geo thermal is not the best in the laurentian shield (good luck getting through all that rock ) .
Probably not going to work in Northern Ontario, made mostly on granite, where it gets bitterly cold being that close to the Arctic. Southern Ontario is mostly limestone so it's softer but also closer to five major great lakes with a high water table. I am guessing from the number on the thermostat for the geo thermal guys, they are near London/Winsor because of the 519 area code. Green technology is still very new so most people don't even know how it works or what the benefits are, and there is very little training on it.