Other less well known trucks out of the UK were ‘Thorneycroft’ ‘Albion’ and ‘Guy Motors’ ... as a Kid I loved the Guy Indian Chief Logo, with the words ‘Feathers in our cap’ 👍🏻😎
ERF left Foden to create his own company because Foden wanted to stick to producing steam lorries and ERF saw the future as Gardner Diesel powered lorries. No.63 is the chassis number of the first ERF made, only the first one is known as No.63.
The pictures and footage you have used for the A series ERF are all of the SP cabbed C series from the early 80s. The E series was also offered with Gardner engines. The EC uses the same windscreen as B, C and E series. ECX was the last ERF with the SP cab, the models afterwards were MAN cabbed.
Ushers brewery of Trowbridge had a pretty much all ERF fleet. Showerings of Shepton Mallet (Babycham) also ran ERFs, there was a brief glimpse of an ERF run by Coates cider of Nailsea which was a sister company to Showerings.
Jonathan Griffin ...Railfreight Distribution ( Freightliner, British Rail ) had a 50/50 of ERF and Foden . The ERF was and still is my favourite old girl ... and that's 25 years ago
Burtons Biscuits had a load of ERF's and Atki Borderers in 60's and early 70's. Only 1 A series in South Wales factory, with big power, 220 Cummins. Laughable now in the era of 850+ bhp Volvo trucks.
I would be very interested to see a video of why European trucks run a lot of V8 engines versus inline 6. Also thank you for your videos they are very enjoyable!
Maybe a V8 being shorter than an inline 6? no expertise on engines at all just figured 2 banks of 4 could be packaged shorter than a straight 6 and thus more suited to cabover design?
Just look at the weight limits set by the various governments of countries within Europe. They are all at a max tonnage of 44. US Fed gov limit on trucks is 40 tonnes. But go to Scandinavia and the weight are way higher. Volvo and Scania are the 2 big Swedish company names you will have heard of, but Volvo does not do V8s except in some of their cars and that is made by Yamaha. Scania is the one that does V8 for their big power and although they make good straight 6s as well, they are known for their V8s. The original plans were drawn up by British Leyland but they withdrew from developing it. Scania bought the plans, as did MACK trucks and both developed their engines from there. The truth is however that a straight 6 is the better engine for trucking. So reason 1: The demand for much more power by clientele within their own country (Sweden) and several others close by. Finland has something like an 80 tonne limit on commercial vehicles. What is important to remember is that for European standards, these guys travel long distances, so carrying more per trip makes economic sense. Reason 2: Scania's base at Malmo (should have the Swedish equivalent of an 'umlaut', but I don't have one handy. Being based right where the transport industry is of significant size, due for the most part to the Forestry industry, means the manufacturer can cater directly to their needs. It just so happens to benefit them as the bar set where they are now has made both Volvo and Scania popular trucks throughout Europe and Australia. Mercedes did do a V6 and V8 and V10. But without checking I would say they are tending towards straight 6s. Iveco is there but no V8. DAF don't do a V8 and MAN I don't think do a V8. So you can almost say that Scania is the main one. Other big one was MACK, but they never sold in Europe. What does put this into question then is, How valid is the argument that states; 'Why European trucks run a lot of V8 engines verus inline 6.' The truth is that there are not as many V8 trucks here as you might think. Scania is big up in Scandinavia and many other places. But without looking I would say they sell just as many if not more units with straight 6s in them. Oh and erm, someone has done something along the lines of. ua-cam.com/video/LVDIGe0y-to/v-deo.html
@@robkelly9397 They where thin on the ground, I actually drove an ex Bells Sabrina for a private contractor, would have to have a million miles on the clock as Bells kept them along time and much of their gear worked around the clock, we were the 3rd or 4th owners about 10 years after Bells flicked them. The 6LX still ran great but had a bad smoking habit till it warmed up, the 10 speed David Brown box was perfect. It was still running well when I moved on.
Just a note about the pronunciation of Sandbach and Middlewich. The "ch" on the end is pronounced as the ch" in chain - NOT as "Sandback" or "Middlewick". I was born and brought up just 20 miles away.
Thanks for the reply . On you tube i have followed the exports of used E R F trucks around the world . The Caribbean , Malta , Africa etc a lot got new lives all over the place .
Is it a lady or is digitized? (Sounds like "Is it live - or is it Maxell?"!) But yeah, these narrators? It's like, "I can't even tell anymore!!" Fascinating though, to hear 'Lorry' pronounced with an American accent!
ERF was the first to fit air brakes and tilt cabs wonder what they would be building now if they were still going a company failed by its management in later times
@@HarryStephenson think the b series cab was the first to meet the new safety rules for truck cabs which were introduced in the 70s and the b series cab was the first of its kind to have a metal frame with SMC panels bolted to it wonder how much more they could have developed the ecx the last true ERF truck if they could the EC range gave Scania etc a run for there money the c series was just unbreakable they just kept going they should never been alowed to close some thing went seriously wrong no body seem to have been held to a count for it
here in the Caribbean we still have a bunch of ERF trucks chugging along on the highways
Best pairing ever a 14 litre Cummins big cam and a Eaton twin splitter gear box
Other less well known trucks out of the UK were ‘Thorneycroft’ ‘Albion’ and ‘Guy Motors’ ... as a Kid I loved the Guy Indian Chief Logo, with the words ‘Feathers in our cap’ 👍🏻😎
AEC are worthy of a mention, also Seddon, Atkinson, Scammell, Rotinoff and Rutland.
Being part of the commonwealth we had all of these in New Zealand.
ERF was always seen as a premium truck in the UK, with a lot of Brand rivalry between them and Foden.
Passed my class 2 in an ERF curtain sider. It was old then but still a great truck to drive
Love the way you say 'lorry'.
ERF left Foden to create his own company because Foden wanted to stick to producing steam lorries and ERF saw the future as Gardner Diesel powered lorries. No.63 is the chassis number of the first ERF made, only the first one is known as No.63.
Correct! 👍
Thanks for highlighting a classic and very successful British lorry
The pictures and footage you have used for the A series ERF are all of the SP cabbed C series from the early 80s.
The E series was also offered with Gardner engines.
The EC uses the same windscreen as B, C and E series.
ECX was the last ERF with the SP cab, the models afterwards were MAN cabbed.
I was thinking the same thing as you. Well spotted!
I agree, the A series I worked on as an apprentice back in the 80s resembled the LV cab and wasn’t a tilt cab.
Also the e series went from E6 to E16. You had
E6, E8, E10, E12, E14 and E16
They never did a E9
Ushers brewery of Trowbridge had a pretty much all ERF fleet. Showerings of Shepton Mallet (Babycham) also ran ERFs, there was a brief glimpse of an ERF run by Coates cider of Nailsea which was a sister company to Showerings.
Jonathan Griffin ...Railfreight Distribution ( Freightliner, British Rail ) had a 50/50 of ERF and Foden . The ERF was and still is my favourite old girl ... and that's 25 years ago
Scottish and Newcastle breweries were the biggest user of ERF in the late 60s early 70s
Burtons Biscuits had a load of ERF's and Atki Borderers in 60's and early 70's. Only 1 A series in South Wales factory, with big power, 220 Cummins. Laughable now in the era of 850+ bhp Volvo trucks.
Any old drivers will tell you the same you need a left leg like an elephants
Thats Edwin Foden founder of foden trucks, ER was his son
I would be very interested to see a video of why European trucks run a lot of V8 engines versus inline 6. Also thank you for your videos they are very enjoyable!
Maybe a V8 being shorter than an inline 6? no expertise on engines at all just figured 2 banks of 4 could be packaged shorter than a straight 6 and thus more suited to cabover design?
Just a heads up. The 8 cylinder gardener was a straight 8
Just look at the weight limits set by the various governments of countries within Europe. They are all at a max tonnage of 44. US Fed gov limit on trucks is 40 tonnes. But go to Scandinavia and the weight are way higher. Volvo and Scania are the 2 big Swedish company names you will have heard of, but Volvo does not do V8s except in some of their cars and that is made by Yamaha. Scania is the one that does V8 for their big power and although they make good straight 6s as well, they are known for their V8s. The original plans were drawn up by British Leyland but they withdrew from developing it. Scania bought the plans, as did MACK trucks and both developed their engines from there. The truth is however that a straight 6 is the better engine for trucking. So reason 1: The demand for much more power by clientele within their own country (Sweden) and several others close by. Finland has something like an 80 tonne limit on commercial vehicles. What is important to remember is that for European standards, these guys travel long distances, so carrying more per trip makes economic sense. Reason 2: Scania's base at Malmo (should have the Swedish equivalent of an 'umlaut', but I don't have one handy. Being based right where the transport industry is of significant size, due for the most part to the Forestry industry, means the manufacturer can cater directly to their needs. It just so happens to benefit them as the bar set where they are now has made both Volvo and Scania popular trucks throughout Europe and Australia. Mercedes did do a V6 and V8 and V10. But without checking I would say they are tending towards straight 6s. Iveco is there but no V8. DAF don't do a V8 and MAN I don't think do a V8. So you can almost say that Scania is the main one. Other big one was MACK, but they never sold in Europe. What does put this into question then is, How valid is the argument that states; 'Why European trucks run a lot of V8 engines verus inline 6.' The truth is that there are not as many V8 trucks here as you might think. Scania is big up in Scandinavia and many other places. But without looking I would say they sell just as many if not more units with straight 6s in them. Oh and erm, someone has done something along the lines of.
ua-cam.com/video/LVDIGe0y-to/v-deo.html
It's amazing with a yankie american women speaking trow a documentary I love it cool makes you think she's british and loves ERF trucks
Lol was waiting for this 👍🏻
We even had a few ERFs down here in Australia...but very few...
Bell Bros ran quite a few Sabrinas in WA in its day.
@@ivanolsen8596 I recall seeing one prime mover (tractor) in Adelaide (an ERF) operated by East Coast Transport out of Sydney in the 60s
@@robkelly9397 They where thin on the ground, I actually drove an ex Bells
Sabrina for a private contractor, would have to have a million miles on
the clock as Bells kept them along time and much of their gear worked
around the clock, we were the 3rd or 4th owners about 10 years after
Bells flicked them. The 6LX still ran great but had a bad smoking habit
till it warmed up, the 10 speed David Brown box was perfect. It was
still running well when I moved on.
When are you going do the history of F . W.D. Trucks?
On the list, Wayne! :)
Just a note about the pronunciation of Sandbach and Middlewich. The "ch" on the end is pronounced as the ch" in chain - NOT as "Sandback" or "Middlewick". I was born and brought up just 20 miles away.
i got know about erf trucks by top gear truck challenge
Will you ever do a series on Fire Apparatus?
ERF had another company that separated from them that now makes popular kids plastic guns
In both instances the names used are pronounced san BATCH and middle WHICH not back and wick.
There are lots of E.R.F in my country
What Country ?
@@stevewilson6390 Trinidad and Tobago
Thanks for the reply . On you tube i have followed the exports of used E R F trucks around the world . The Caribbean , Malta , Africa etc a lot got new lives all over the place .
@@stevewilson6390 yup they are sold to third world contrives I was lucky enough
When are you going to do more 10 things you don’t know about?
We have a few scattered around our schedule, so stay tuned! :)
Looks like Jacks don’t understand British irony.
Thought European model would have gotten a mention
Aiyana Valley
Aufderhar Hollow
I think you've got some models mixed up
Terry Stream
Her voice ffs
Germaine Walk
Middle wick????? Wtf
👍🇧🇷
Why is this lady saying everything with an upper inflection? Sounds like everything she's say, she's asking or is unsure about it.
Is it a lady or is digitized? (Sounds like "Is it live - or is it Maxell?"!) But yeah, these narrators? It's like, "I can't even tell anymore!!" Fascinating though, to hear 'Lorry' pronounced with an American accent!
Comment Foden or ERF ???
Both you can’t pick a winner
@@nedburton2220 Fair enough
ERF was the first to fit air brakes and tilt cabs wonder what they would be building now if they were still going a company failed by its management in later times
@@andrewbird1977 Good Point
@@HarryStephenson think the b series cab was the first to meet the new safety rules for truck cabs which were introduced in the 70s and the b series cab was the first of its kind to have a metal frame with SMC panels bolted to it wonder how much more they could have developed the ecx the last true ERF truck if they could the EC range gave Scania etc a run for there money the c series was just unbreakable they just kept going they should never been alowed to close some thing went seriously wrong no body seem to have been held to a count for it
Erf ecx made man germany ??? Erf company uk??
ERF will always be known as a British built wagon . Erf ecx were not proper erf wagons ..
As an ex ERF employee I can tell you this video has some outrageous rubbish in its content.
pERFection
But when detailing the history of ERF trucks, a quintessentially British truck builder, why have a female American narrator?
what in the hell is a erf
ERF was a british truck manufacturer.
@@susansullivan9255 oh