Guess no one remembers the Claws of shirvallah talent that made Feral half cat/half human during WoD. It was fun and I wished they brought the appearance back maybe the talent as well. If you think about it, that was the prelude to what we have starting in legion: Guardian Druid's werebear form. however, Claws of Shirvallah was a half cheetah looking skin and it looked really nice
Having to think and strategically using the abilities and maybe waiting to get the best put of everything? Sounds perfect to me. The Energy+Combo point system feels pointless to me if you just spam everything once you have the energy for it and have enough regen to easily go twice to 5CP in your pandemic window for the long bleed/poison.
Meanwhile ret pallys use final veredict at 20 yard range, besides judgment and blade of just being basicaly range, dks got grip dots that can be put by range, dhs have near infinite mobility, Warriors charge 2 times, leap, intervine, monks got Rolls, chi torped, tiger lust, but you know what druids were op lets nerf them.
Been a feral main since before Burning Crusade. Stop hyping me like this, historically when we get good we get un-good'ed pretty quickly so shhhh don't tell Blizzard how you feel right now.
Zuco, from your UI, you aren't tracking your bleeds using a weak aura. Are you watching nameplates to see them fall off or are you just going through the rotation and trusting they are applied?
I'm checking the nameplates, yeah. I did get one Weakaura from a guy on stream, to track my Wildstalker vines, which lit up on my screen when I was targeting an enemy who had one. That was quite helpful in knowing who to hit with Ferocious Bite. Otherwise, yeah I'm just checking the nameplates.
@@ZucoWoW thanks. could you post that weak aura to wago or send the export? I checked and didn’t see anything similar posted yet. The vines hero talent is awesome. I love the visual for it in game but not sure if it’s feasible to see the animation in m+ without a weak aura
@@alsius9162 it's really not that bad. It's 3 bleeds, and you press them in sequence anyways in order to proc Bloodtalons. Rake is the only dot that requires 2-3 presses depending on pack size. So an opener might look like this: Rake (from stealth) Thrash Brutal Slash Primal Wrath (AOE rip) Rake Rake Brutal Slash Thrash Ferocious Bite. That's how the sequence tends to go. Inside Berserk windows it changes a bit, but that's generally how it goes.
No it's still snapshotting with maintaining bleeds. It's complete garbage. Feral is a trash spec as usual n9thing to see here. Back to being a boomy punching bag!
I really like druid and cat form but i just cant do damage on it. I understand snapshot to am extend but isnt that just only apply dots with tigers and thats it?
@@Crayzyy In between refreshing Rips, yes. Get your dots rolling first, then Ferocious Bite your Vines, then refresh dots when they are falling off, including Rip via Primal Wrath.
@@Marko-the-Beast-Master it would have to have been a lot for it to be considered. Even on its best fight style it was one of the worst, not to mention all the inherent problems it still has
@@Marko-the-Beast-Master Having been a druid player for most of WoW, I am in favor of feral this go around, since i like bear, and boomy has just felt stale and boring until you are pushing high keys lol
In ST you still use rip cause it lasts way longer than pw and that way you can spend more combopoints into bites. In aoe you cast pw only to apply and reapply rip and also bite in between :)
Feral is fun but the hero talents is not fun. Blood vines are just passive. Zero interactions. You dont even pop them on purpose. Your general rotation just does it for you., It actually is just passive.
@@tatemessmer4936 ???? Did you read the talents? When you Ferocious Bite then, they explode and deal big damage. The explosions alone are 6-8% of your overall damage. They also interact with Adaptive Swarm and Circle of Life and Death, so yes, there are interactions.
@@ZucoWoW Yes it happens naturally, its not some complex mechanic. Your normal rotation does this passively.... as you naturally cast FB in your rotation..... ALL of those "interactions" are passive buffs to dots.... What??? Like faster ticking dots is not an interaction. You dont change your rotation or do anything at all. It just does damage faster.... for a talent point.
IDK... feral has been a laughing stock for so long, it's really hard to believe they're viable. Don’t get me wrong, i loved playing feral, but no one wants you in a party as feral. They few times feral managed to briefly emerge from mediocrity, people QQ'ed about it and sent it right back into crap.
Now as a feral main since legion let me tell the bad side of a feral pve, nobody wants feral in keys or raid pugs, or get in a guild that you don't have friends, boomie will always be better, and competitve as wow is today.....
I know you try to be positive on your reviews but come on... Feral is terrible. The Hero talent is one of the worst. You cant even see it. Like you said, the energy regen is terrible. Why play a class taken back into the Vanilla days of slow energy regen? One dungeon you might have thought it was cool/fun, but weeks of playing the tab target game and hunting for your Vine target is going to wear off very fast.
@@rick5787 I've been playing it for weeks and it's very fun. It's not the worst Hero talent by 100 miles... All of the Rogue trees and 2 of the Hunter trees are terrible compared to this. This has synergy with our talent tree via Adaptive Swarm and it introduces a mini game of Biting the Vines... It's a great Hero tree. I'm not being blindly positive, Feral is really fun and is performing well.
Calling feral defensive's good is a nice joke. Compared to the actual good classes feral and druid as a whole is at the bottom defensively and that doesn't really change in TWW. Having the lowest hp pool of pretty much all classes is what hurts them the most. The defensive's just don't make up for it.
@@thehandle711 It doesn't have any less HP then most of the other specs. No idea where you're getting that from. Sure it has less then the plate classes, which all have Stamina in their class trees, but beyond that it's got the same hp as everyone else. It also has good defensives. 1 min Barksin, 3 min Survival Instincts, low HP emergency heal, Bear Form tankiness and healing, and free, buffed Regrowths every 8 seconds is better than Shaman, Hunter, Boomkin, Shadow Priest and Warrior (besides the max HP on Warrior).
You're insanely wrong btw, Feral has always been good defensively. Having a 1 min CD in Barkskin + SI and on demand healing you can weave in has legit always been good and it's the primary reason they were brought to the RWF in Amirdrassil
Thats simply not true lmao, shaman still has way worse defensives and before the buff hunters was worse too. They have over average defensives for sure
Every week is MAIN WEEK!!!!!
So happy to hear someone talk about how awesome Convoke the Spirits is. I take that on every druid spec if possible.
I'm a feral main! Need more feral druid content across the board!
been playing this spec for about 9yrs now as a main. Always love to see new kitties joining in :)
Guess no one remembers the Claws of shirvallah talent that made Feral half cat/half human during WoD. It was fun and I wished they brought the appearance back maybe the talent as well. If you think about it, that was the prelude to what we have starting in legion: Guardian Druid's werebear form. however, Claws of Shirvallah was a half cheetah looking skin and it looked really nice
or just let worgen be feral in worgen form.
Same, i loved that form. It was one of the reasons i played feral at that time:) Post it on the EU forums, the more that asks for it the merrier^^
I hated that talented, it was so ugly lmao. But I do remember rs
@@TheArmouryOfficial such a cool idea bro
It would be so easy to tie it to the barbershop like they did all the forms they put into dragonflight.
Oooo, I don't need much pushing to go kitty, I really love the playstyle. Feels like SV Hunter, without all the dying.
Again thanks for the consistent uploads
Claw druid could be very good for Delves, soloing elites and some types of pvp.
Having to think and strategically using the abilities and maybe waiting to get the best put of everything?
Sounds perfect to me. The Energy+Combo point system feels pointless to me if you just spam everything once you have the energy for it and have enough regen to easily go twice to 5CP in your pandemic window for the long bleed/poison.
This is the one I’ve been waiting for!!
What race is best for hord feral
I'm so sad they got rid of the extra attack range :(
Meanwhile ret pallys use final veredict at 20 yard range, besides judgment and blade of just being basicaly range, dks got grip dots that can be put by range, dhs have near infinite mobility, Warriors charge 2 times, leap, intervine, monks got Rolls, chi torped, tiger lust, but you know what druids were op lets nerf them.
If they reverted the energy change, I'd consider going back. As it stands, dps wise im on the fence between feral, ele sham or shadow priest
I’m in the exact same boat. 3 weeks later Did you ever end up deciding?
will the FB from Rampant Ferocity that hits other targets effected by Rip, also burst the vines?
@@rekt4759 No... You gotta target the vine with the bite for it to explode
Been a feral main since before Burning Crusade. Stop hyping me like this, historically when we get good we get un-good'ed pretty quickly so shhhh don't tell Blizzard how you feel right now.
Great video
That sounds really cool :)
I HAVE to try feral man, so far Fury warr is what ill main, but i gotta test more specs
Well, you certainly are more positive than the actual feral community from what i've seen lol.
Yea feral still sad even with all the very few changes they made. Coming from a druid main about to move on.
Zuco, from your UI, you aren't tracking your bleeds using a weak aura. Are you watching nameplates to see them fall off or are you just going through the rotation and trusting they are applied?
I'm checking the nameplates, yeah. I did get one Weakaura from a guy on stream, to track my Wildstalker vines, which lit up on my screen when I was targeting an enemy who had one. That was quite helpful in knowing who to hit with Ferocious Bite.
Otherwise, yeah I'm just checking the nameplates.
@@ZucoWoW thanks. could you post that weak aura to wago or send the export? I checked and didn’t see anything similar posted yet.
The vines hero talent is awesome. I love the visual for it in game but not sure if it’s feasible to see the animation in m+ without a weak aura
@@ZucoWoW Do you mind sending us the weakaura as well? I'd love to have it!
I'd love to give this a proper try but maintaining all the bleeds and stuff on aoe seems so so so so difficult that it'd take months to get used to
@@alsius9162 it's really not that bad. It's 3 bleeds, and you press them in sequence anyways in order to proc Bloodtalons.
Rake is the only dot that requires 2-3 presses depending on pack size.
So an opener might look like this:
Rake (from stealth)
Thrash
Brutal Slash
Primal Wrath (AOE rip)
Rake
Rake Brutal Slash
Thrash
Ferocious Bite.
That's how the sequence tends to go. Inside Berserk windows it changes a bit, but that's generally how it goes.
No it's still snapshotting with maintaining bleeds. It's complete garbage. Feral is a trash spec as usual n9thing to see here. Back to being a boomy punching bag!
6:43 if we dont press primal wrath then how do we spread rip ?
i think you do hit it but only to apply rip and then dont hit it again until you have to reapply again
We will no longer spam it, for better or worse. We'll Primal wrath then weave in 1-2 bites depending on gear/crit rng.
@@Nasseralthukair Yeah your first finisher on a pack is Primal Wrath, then the next couple will be Ferocious Bite, then refresh Rips with PW again
Sweet. Didn't know feral was playing well. Will have to give it a shot on the beta
I really like druid and cat form but i just cant do damage on it. I understand snapshot to am extend but isnt that just only apply dots with tigers and thats it?
with tigers fury and from stealth to get the strongest rake
The big question is do you think they are gonna be able to do higher content 😊
Probably, dot specs excell at higher content since things dont die instantly
How do we spread aoe if the spreading rip is dead?
@@Crayzyy it's not. Primal Wrath is still there.
@@ZucoWoW so bursting the spores with bite is now the main aoe rotation?
@@Crayzyy In between refreshing Rips, yes. Get your dots rolling first, then Ferocious Bite your Vines, then refresh dots when they are falling off, including Rip via Primal Wrath.
Just don't get cat ear headphones Zuco.. I know we all wanna be cats :P
@@danbrokke6169 Good idea... buying them now
Thanks for the video. Sadly you are the only one seeing some positive Stuff in Feral. Every other Tierlists just deletes them like every addon :(
Feral vs Boomy? Is feral doing more dmg?
feral is either bottom of the top dps or top of the mid dps right now, and boomy is one of the worst currently so feral is doing much better
@@mausypwns98boomie was buffed
@@Marko-the-Beast-Master it would have to have been a lot for it to be considered. Even on its best fight style it was one of the worst, not to mention all the inherent problems it still has
@@mausypwns98 I vote for feral :)
@@Marko-the-Beast-Master Having been a druid player for most of WoW, I am in favor of feral this go around, since i like bear, and boomy has just felt stale and boring until you are pushing high keys lol
So is primal wrath just aoe rip if so do you just remove rip from your bars ?
In ST you still use rip cause it lasts way longer than pw and that way you can spend more combopoints into bites. In aoe you cast pw only to apply and reapply rip and also bite in between :)
Feral is fun but the hero talents is not fun. Blood vines are just passive. Zero interactions. You dont even pop them on purpose. Your general rotation just does it for you., It actually is just passive.
@@tatemessmer4936 ???? Did you read the talents? When you Ferocious Bite then, they explode and deal big damage. The explosions alone are 6-8% of your overall damage.
They also interact with Adaptive Swarm and Circle of Life and Death, so yes, there are interactions.
@@ZucoWoW Yes it happens naturally, its not some complex mechanic. Your normal rotation does this passively.... as you naturally cast FB in your rotation..... ALL of those "interactions" are passive buffs to dots.... What??? Like faster ticking dots is not an interaction. You dont change your rotation or do anything at all. It just does damage faster.... for a talent point.
Most classes have passive hero talents my guy, at least ferals is somewhat interactive with biting targets with bursting growth
The vine healing is pitiful btw
I HATE SWARM !!!
IDK... feral has been a laughing stock for so long, it's really hard to believe they're viable. Don’t get me wrong, i loved playing feral, but no one wants you in a party as feral. They few times feral managed to briefly emerge from mediocrity, people QQ'ed about it and sent it right back into crap.
Now as a feral main since legion let me tell the bad side of a feral pve, nobody wants feral in keys or raid pugs, or get in a guild that you don't have friends, boomie will always be better, and competitve as wow is today.....
hunter is better, we move faster, trap and feign death, win
I know you try to be positive on your reviews but come on... Feral is terrible. The Hero talent is one of the worst. You cant even see it. Like you said, the energy regen is terrible. Why play a class taken back into the Vanilla days of slow energy regen? One dungeon you might have thought it was cool/fun, but weeks of playing the tab target game and hunting for your Vine target is going to wear off very fast.
@@rick5787 I've been playing it for weeks and it's very fun. It's not the worst Hero talent by 100 miles... All of the Rogue trees and 2 of the Hunter trees are terrible compared to this. This has synergy with our talent tree via Adaptive Swarm and it introduces a mini game of Biting the Vines... It's a great Hero tree.
I'm not being blindly positive, Feral is really fun and is performing well.
Feral is very underwhelming in TWW
Calling feral defensive's good is a nice joke. Compared to the actual good classes feral and druid as a whole is at the bottom defensively and that doesn't really change in TWW. Having the lowest hp pool of pretty much all classes is what hurts them the most. The defensive's just don't make up for it.
@@thehandle711 It doesn't have any less HP then most of the other specs. No idea where you're getting that from. Sure it has less then the plate classes, which all have Stamina in their class trees, but beyond that it's got the same hp as everyone else. It also has good defensives. 1 min Barksin, 3 min Survival Instincts, low HP emergency heal, Bear Form tankiness and healing, and free, buffed Regrowths every 8 seconds is better than Shaman, Hunter, Boomkin, Shadow Priest and Warrior (besides the max HP on Warrior).
You're insanely wrong btw, Feral has always been good defensively. Having a 1 min CD in Barkskin + SI and on demand healing you can weave in has legit always been good and it's the primary reason they were brought to the RWF in Amirdrassil
Thats simply not true lmao, shaman still has way worse defensives and before the buff hunters was worse too. They have over average defensives for sure
wildstalker it is boring especialy resto