Even as a American id be incredibly interested in it. The c7 fascinates me as growing up I was obsessed with the m16a1 and watched the m4 explode in popularity. Seeing all the little changes that I feel are improvements is so cool. I have yet to find a video breaking down the 100 something little different things between the two. I actually built my first ar in the spirit of a c8. Carry handle for now until I can source a elcan or clove plus irons. I'm trying to find the thin front sight post and tri-rail. Accuwedge in the mail. You guys up north in my opinion took the armalite model to a whole other level of kit for the standard rifleman. M4s are cool for gun fighters and all that like my buddies like. But the c7 is probably one of my favorite service rifles to date. I went with a c8 because of its indoor advantages. Next will be a c7a1 clone. TL:DR ; I love the c series of armalite designs that are the c7 and c8 and would love as much info as possible on my northern neighbors fun stick.
I pray your channel gets more followers, I’m so done with these big channels that are out of touch and get free stuff to showcase weapons. Love the technical info and honesty. Keep up the good fight.
I have declined their repeated attempts to get us to endorse the product. The light is a great light but we are not running an informercial on our channel and thats essentially what they want. -Heather Bartocci
I remember watching "Bravo Two Zero" back in the day and being like whoa, the Brits used the M4 too? But it wasn't, it was an A.R. built to their specs. Very cool.
The British army had many experiences with early AR-15 (and some M-16) rifles for jungle warfare, riot control troops and paramilitary. In general they find it to be a decent rifle (lightweight, shorter than the SLR/FAL and was less easily corroded), but some areas were lacking.
@@maxcady645 M16s and heckler Koch G3 were what the uksf community was using in Iraq because they felt the M4 of the day didn't have the reach or stopping power. In my unit, a normal infantry unit we managed to keep our SLR's because we didn't trust the SA80. Some lads even preferred the sterling over the SA80 and knowing what we know now we were absolutely correct. It felt better than patrolling Belfast with a weapon that felt like it was gonna fall apart after every shot and sometimes actually did
Your knowledge of black rifles is second to none!!!! I like to see you and the guys from forgotten weapons talk about some of your favorite rifles!!!!!
Great video! Just some clarification on a couple points: It's actually a 15.7" barrel, which is the same barrel that's on the C8a3. The other barrel, or CBQ (Diemaco's attempt at a Mk18) was an even 10". Lastly, Colt Defense actually purchased Diemaco in May of 2005.
British SBS used the SFW as well. There was a small company that would make clones a long while back, before Bravo did. I almost went the route of one of those clones.
Barrel sleeve is for the H&K produced grenade launcher (side gate loading). I don't know if its a better design than the m203. As to grenade launchers, I'd rather they be fitted on a 20" barrel, and prefferably with the special handguard.
Very cool, of my favorite rifles in my collection. The BCM C8 SFW does not have a Cold Hammer Forged barrel, but it still shoots great and has a nice heavy straight wall profile.
You don't move the back up sight to the rear. You zero it in front of the Elcan, then attach the Elcan and zero that. It's perfectly useable for CQB forward mounted.
C8 is currently used by 43 Commando. Although I believe it will be issued to all Royal Marine units in the near future. Meanwhile the army is stuck with the SA80 for the foreseeable future.
@@mrwippy3112 imagine it (or something similar) will replace the SA80 in a decade or so, NATO is being asked to replace 5.56 with something bigger by US so it might be a catalyst for change.
I have a Diemaco upper with the Cerro forge marking next to the Diemaco D mark. It has the small triangle above the ejection port which to me is more a XM 177 Colt mark. Lightweight 11.5 Colt marked barrel. Narrow front sight post and no bayonet lug a la XM 177 there too Its been an outstanding SBR for a long time.
The reason from what i was told was that those plastic magazines failed was that they couldnt work in cold climate. The springs burst out of the bottom of the magazines after 1 or 2 shots in -20 or -30 weather conditions . This is what i was told from a source that was on the trials.
Gotta say, this is by far the most informative gun channel on UA-cam. Others are good as well like Mac, Iraqvet1888, and some others. But I find you have a lot more knowledge on the background of the rifles, and technical details, plus the cred to stand behind it. Keep up the great work! Especially proud as a Canadian knowing that we can make some fine rifles. Wish we would fund our military with what they deserve, and what our allies deserve. Praying we get rid of our current Liberal government, and would actually like to see a new party take the reigns up here. Our conservatives are better, but not by a whole lot. Anyways, I’ll stay away from politics, and just say that was a great video.👍
Great video, very informative. I had a C8 as my personal weapon on my last tour of Afghanistan over a decade ago. It was a beautiful weapon, engineered to the highest quality. The weapon had the ACOG sight, rather than the ELCAN. Interestingly, in the British Army it is called the "De Marco" for some reason, not "Diemaco" as it should be. I also put many thousands of rounds through the SA80 A1 and A2. As it was the only individual weapon I knew up until that tour, apart from the Sterling submachine gun, I had no real problem with it. Although it wasn't designed, manufactured or finished to the high standards of the C8, it was accurate with the SUSAT and reliable, provided you maintained it carefully. More of a police weapon than a battle rifle.
You can still use the triad rail with the railed handguard...just flip it around. That's required to run an M203A1 with a C7A2. Also puts your light out further which is always better.
A lot of people say no one in the military uses a 16 inch barrel but I remember I seen some use of it but I thought it was pictures of contractors. I'm glad you made this video showing that 16" barrels are in actual use. Matter of fact I think the rifle is still being used today as I saw a recent video where marines were using the British rifle. Very cool. I wonder what sort of bayonet they can use on these since it comes with a lug and it looks like the sleeve would keep it on the proper diameter.
Thanks for the great video. Brownells sells C7 upper receivers with the A1 sight. But I had to wait a while on back order. Going to build a Colt Commando replica and a Delta Mogadishu replica. Don't know if they will keep carrying them. Nodak Spud makes these and other cool parts DSA sells the correct handguards. Cheers
The SA80 is a very accurate rifle having used one for years. Not without its faults as did the M16. There was an reluctance to admit it needed improvement..
Having fired both side by side, it's not any more accurate than the AR-15. What it IS is fraught with problems, impossible to shoot left-handed, unergonomic, and unreasonably heavy. When I participated in an international military shooting competition the Brits were extremely jealous of the C7A2, M16A4, and even the Australian F88. Also it's very rear-heavy, which causes the muzzle to jump around more than any 5.56mm fully automatic weapon I've fired, and I've fired a lot of them. "Accuracy" is the least important aspect of a service rifle. So long as it shoots roughly 4 MOA at 100m, which even modern AK's can do, it's just fine for a military. The SA80 can do better than that, and it is reliable, but those are the only positives of the platform. Those two things, coincidentally, are also the only things a military cannot compromise on with a service rifle. At my most charitable, I will say that the SA80 is at best adequate.
New fan of your channel.... Watch a lot of the other gun channels and can't see why your not bigger. You are full of into and really know your stuff. (Also can't seem to hear enough about ar15 and the different company's, builds, versions, ect). Thank you.
we use HH buffers now, and we put a stake mark between the two screws that hold the gas key to identify the ejector spring being changed for a heavier one
I'm former British forces and I was in Afghanistan 10 years ago and we had some 1 para and you would think they were SAS on some operations they would turn up with them DeMarco and when they thought the next op would get a little hairy they would turn up with G3. They can have any weapon they like. Poor me with my SA80.
People think the SA80 is the reason that the L119 (SFW) being adopted. It's not wholly the case, it's only a small contributing factor. The British army (and by extension the SAS) had many experiences with early AR-15 (and some M-16) rifles for jungle warfare, riot control troops and paramilitary, some sources say even earlier than the US military. They've already been using the AR and it's variants before the SA80 was introduced. In general they find the AR-15 to be a decent rifle (lightweight, shorter than the SLR/FAL and was less easily corroded), but some areas were lacking (barrels, magazines, plastics etc). The L119 was a fill-in for the role of a lightweight rifle that they didn't have at the time, it made sense to take something they already had experience with.
Interesting. Would love to know your sources as some of it is a little off to the true story but on the whole an interesting breakdown and good nerdy detail. It also taught me a few things.
You need a real CDN stock on that C8. Funny I have all kinds of access to Colt Canada Diemaco rifles and parts and still buy American ARs! I trained and carried a C7 and did really like the rifle
It wouldn't matter. When Diemaco got bought out, part of their agreement with Colt was Colt Canada/Diemaco items are NOT to be sold commerically in the U.S.
According to all sources online the SFW barrel length is actually 15.7" and the CQB version had a 10.0" barrel. I hate correcting the great Chris Bartocci but I couldn't help myself here.
Question, what is the length of the barrel between the Front Sight Base and the Simon Sleeve? I want to get my BCM upper cut down to the proper length and have the barrel pin and welded.
The L85 never had an issue with accuracy. That is one area where it always shone. (L86 had some issues on full auto) But yes, rather than employ H&K to improve SA80, the MOD should have piggy-backed on the SAS order and gone for this rifle across the board, IMO. The timeline seems to back up this possibility. Politics...
Not trolling...but isn't that rear sight basically unusable being that far forward on the receiver? Or am I being too much of a "nose on the charging handle" jarhead?
Are you sure the BCM barrels are CHF? Everything else I’ve read states otherwise, but BCM doesn’t say either way. Edit: BCM has since verified that it's non CHF, button broached. That being said, as much as I love BCM, their customer service reps have been known to get things way wrong.
@@humansvd3269 I could probably check (if I have the right pin gauge size). Mine didn’t seem too bad, but definitely a little overgassed. I’m running it with an H2 also though. I just stripped the barrel off of the upper and put it on a Diemaco upper that I was originally running a 14.5” barrel for the “clone” on. The H2 could have contributed to the perceived recoil. May try an H buffer.
If you go to the BCM website and look under 16” carbine length uppers they have the C8 SFW at the top as a complete upper and you can see all the info there
@@newpeupyoass They use CAR stocks and handguards. Genuine diemaco parts are unobtainable. The CAR buttstock they use is pebbled so your skin doesn't stick in cold. Closest you can get is just CAR stock set. Not an M4 stock set. They also sell detachable A1 handles at CNC Machining. Just type it in. You're not going to get a true C8. BCM also sells the triad rail. My AR is bcm c8
CZ has made little impact on how Colt is run. Colt did a number on Colt Canada after they acquired it. Were leaches. Sucked money out. Fired its executives who made Diemaco a successful company and thwarted their growth. Very sad actually. I hope at some point CZ will take it in hand and make needed changes.
when a gun weighs with all nessisary attachments around the same as the previous rifle, which weighed about the same as 2 m4 carbines, all that weight tends to make it able to be accurate with sustained fire.
@@baker90338 I wasn't refering to the weight. I have put thousands of rounds through older versions of the SA80 minus all the crap hanging off it today. The box section steel body of the weapon on the SA80 gave you an extremely rigid monolithic upper which was flat topped and mounted a X4 scope. There were not many weapons at the time that offered that. Yes it had many problems but they had by accident designed into the weapon one of the biggest features that is now considered to be desirable on most service weapons today.
all bullpups are inherently inaccurate, unless its a small batch of rifles with REALLY good custom triggers, which large scale production military rifles are simply not. A long barrel and a rigid frame will not help if you still have a shitty bullpup trigger.
that being said, I'm sure they were plenty accurate for general infantry use, but they will never be able to compare with a trigger or ergonomics of an AR-15 pattern rifle.
Lee Holmes no, blame the first president Bush. I believe it was his executive order banning imports of so called assault weapons. Might have been Clinton. Canada would love to export to us
It wouldn't matter. I've read up somewhere that when Diemaco got bought out, part of their agreement with Colt uSA was Colt Canada/Diemaco items are NOT to be sold commercially in the U.S.
That's not a very nice thing to say about someone who is giving you a lot of very valuable technical information. Moreover, he's not charging you a penny for it.
Canadian here. Please consider doing a standalone video on Diemaco, Colt Canada and the C7-C8 history video!!!!
it is a c8, its basically the same weapon
All the Canadian stuff is top quality. They should have been running Colt Connecticut.
Even as a American id be incredibly interested in it. The c7 fascinates me as growing up I was obsessed with the m16a1 and watched the m4 explode in popularity. Seeing all the little changes that I feel are improvements is so cool. I have yet to find a video breaking down the 100 something little different things between the two. I actually built my first ar in the spirit of a c8. Carry handle for now until I can source a elcan or clove plus irons. I'm trying to find the thin front sight post and tri-rail. Accuwedge in the mail. You guys up north in my opinion took the armalite model to a whole other level of kit for the standard rifleman. M4s are cool for gun fighters and all that like my buddies like. But the c7 is probably one of my favorite service rifles to date. I went with a c8 because of its indoor advantages. Next will be a c7a1 clone. TL:DR ; I love the c series of armalite designs that are the c7 and c8 and would love as much info as possible on my northern neighbors fun stick.
I saw a really good video yesterday on this channel..
I pray your channel gets more followers, I’m so done with these big channels that are out of touch and get free stuff to showcase weapons. Love the technical info and honesty. Keep up the good fight.
I have declined their repeated attempts to get us to endorse the product. The light is a great light but we are not running an informercial on our channel and thats essentially what they want. -Heather Bartocci
Thanks Josh! Share the videos and help spread the word on the new channel...hoping things turn around.
Couldn’t Agree More 😀
I remember watching "Bravo Two Zero" back in the day and being like whoa, the Brits used the M4 too? But it wasn't, it was an A.R. built to their specs. Very cool.
The British army had many experiences with early AR-15 (and some M-16) rifles for jungle warfare, riot control troops and paramilitary. In general they find it to be a decent rifle (lightweight, shorter than the SLR/FAL and was less easily corroded), but some areas were lacking.
The brits use the sa80, the SAS use the colt canada which is customised
Some marine units and all of UKSF use the C8
In the Gulf War the SAS were using M16s I think. Later on they went to the Colt Canada guns later (I think)
@@maxcady645 M16s and heckler Koch G3 were what the uksf community was using in Iraq because they felt the M4 of the day didn't have the reach or stopping power. In my unit, a normal infantry unit we managed to keep our SLR's because we didn't trust the SA80. Some lads even preferred the sterling over the SA80 and knowing what we know now we were absolutely correct. It felt better than patrolling Belfast with a weapon that felt like it was gonna fall apart after every shot and sometimes actually did
Your knowledge of black rifles is second to none!!!! I like to see you and the guys from forgotten weapons talk about some of your favorite rifles!!!!!
Great video! Just some clarification on a couple points: It's actually a 15.7" barrel, which is the same barrel that's on the C8a3. The other barrel, or CBQ (Diemaco's attempt at a Mk18) was an even 10". Lastly, Colt Defense actually purchased Diemaco in May of 2005.
Be careful correcting this guy. His knowledge on black rifles is much like Stevie Ray Vaughn's knowledge of blues guitar.
He worked at Colt as a historian and wrote many of their manuals. I think 🤔.
British SBS used the SFW as well. There was a small company that would make clones a long while back, before Bravo did. I almost went the route of one of those clones.
Barrel sleeve is for the H&K produced grenade launcher (side gate loading). I don't know if its a better design than the m203. As to grenade launchers, I'd rather they be fitted on a 20" barrel, and prefferably with the special handguard.
All UKSF use the C8 as do various other units across the military. It's a popular gun!
Only this dude would have a unicorn of an upper, my god I’m envious of that!
Check out the video on Canadian Rifles if you liked this one.
Very cool, of my favorite rifles in my collection. The BCM C8 SFW does not have a Cold Hammer Forged barrel, but it still shoots great and has a nice heavy straight wall profile.
You don't move the back up sight to the rear. You zero it in front of the Elcan, then attach the Elcan and zero that. It's perfectly useable for CQB forward mounted.
A variation is still used by the SAS also I believe by the Royal Marines.
C8 is currently used by 43 Commando. Although I believe it will be issued to all Royal Marine units in the near future. Meanwhile the army is stuck with the SA80 for the foreseeable future.
@@mrwippy3112 imagine it (or something similar) will replace the SA80 in a decade or so, NATO is being asked to replace 5.56 with something bigger by US so it might be a catalyst for change.
I have a Diemaco upper with the Cerro forge marking next to the Diemaco D mark.
It has the small triangle above the ejection port which to me is more a XM 177 Colt mark.
Lightweight 11.5 Colt marked barrel.
Narrow front sight post and no bayonet lug a la XM 177 there too
Its been an outstanding SBR for a long time.
The reason from what i was told was that those plastic magazines failed was that they couldnt work in cold climate. The springs burst out of the bottom of the magazines after 1 or 2 shots in -20 or -30 weather conditions . This is what i was told from a source that was on the trials.
Gotta say, this is by far the most informative gun channel on UA-cam. Others are good as well like Mac, Iraqvet1888, and some others.
But I find you have a lot more knowledge on the background of the rifles, and technical details, plus the cred to stand behind it. Keep up the great work! Especially proud as a Canadian knowing that we can make some fine rifles. Wish we would fund our military with what they deserve, and what our allies deserve. Praying we get rid of our current Liberal government, and would actually like to see a new party take the reigns up here. Our conservatives are better, but not by a whole lot.
Anyways, I’ll stay away from politics, and just say that was a great video.👍
How could you not say anything about gun Jesus!!!
Haha.
Great video, very informative. I had a C8 as my personal weapon on my last tour of Afghanistan over a decade ago. It was a beautiful weapon, engineered to the highest quality. The weapon had the ACOG sight, rather than the ELCAN. Interestingly, in the British Army it is called the "De Marco" for some reason, not "Diemaco" as it should be. I also put many thousands of rounds through the SA80 A1 and A2. As it was the only individual weapon I knew up until that tour, apart from the Sterling submachine gun, I had no real problem with it. Although it wasn't designed, manufactured or finished to the high standards of the C8, it was accurate with the SUSAT and reliable, provided you maintained it carefully. More of a police weapon than a battle rifle.
Your plate carrier is dope!
Love your videos!
3:57 The SAS has never used the SA80, they were using old M16s, M16A1s and Colt 733s. The Diemaco replaced those, not the SA80.
You can see some photos from the field where they are using it (or it is SFSG not SAS).
Don’t forget the hk g3 g33 and 53
Even in early 80's they used M16 in Falkland war. Evidence in some footages or photos.
They need a very light weapon because they don’t use slings, they carry their rifles in their hands/arms at all times.
I've worked with them in Iraq and that's just not true, they do use slings.
I really like BCM products they have great quality control.
From what I heard the British military adopted the L119a1 in the same year as the U.S. adopted the M4a1 in 1993.
That's one of the rifles I wss issued here in Canada. The C8.
You can still use the triad rail with the railed handguard...just flip it around. That's required to run an M203A1 with a C7A2. Also puts your light out further which is always better.
A lot of people say no one in the military uses a 16 inch barrel but I remember I seen some use of it but I thought it was pictures of contractors. I'm glad you made this video showing that 16" barrels are in actual use. Matter of fact I think the rifle is still being used today as I saw a recent video where marines were using the British rifle. Very cool. I wonder what sort of bayonet they can use on these since it comes with a lug and it looks like the sleeve would keep it on the proper diameter.
Awesome gun history content, love your channel.
Thanks for the great video.
Brownells sells C7 upper receivers with the A1 sight.
But I had to wait a while on back order.
Going to build a Colt Commando replica and a Delta Mogadishu replica.
Don't know if they will keep carrying them. Nodak Spud makes these and other cool parts
DSA sells the correct handguards.
Cheers
The SA80 is a very accurate rifle having used one for years. Not without its faults as did the M16. There was an reluctance to admit it needed improvement..
Having fired both side by side, it's not any more accurate than the AR-15. What it IS is fraught with problems, impossible to shoot left-handed, unergonomic, and unreasonably heavy. When I participated in an international military shooting competition the Brits were extremely jealous of the C7A2, M16A4, and even the Australian F88. Also it's very rear-heavy, which causes the muzzle to jump around more than any 5.56mm fully automatic weapon I've fired, and I've fired a lot of them.
"Accuracy" is the least important aspect of a service rifle. So long as it shoots roughly 4 MOA at 100m, which even modern AK's can do, it's just fine for a military. The SA80 can do better than that, and it is reliable, but those are the only positives of the platform. Those two things, coincidentally, are also the only things a military cannot compromise on with a service rifle. At my most charitable, I will say that the SA80 is at best adequate.
New fan of your channel.... Watch a lot of the other gun channels and can't see why your not bigger. You are full of into and really know your stuff. (Also can't seem to hear enough about ar15 and the different company's, builds, versions, ect). Thank you.
Your knowledge on Weaponry is unreal!
we use HH buffers now, and we put a stake mark between the two screws that hold the gas key to identify the ejector spring being changed for a heavier one
Good to know it's safe for work.
Awesome info better than forgotten weapons 👏 🤣
I'm former British forces and I was in Afghanistan 10 years ago and we had some 1 para and you would think they were SAS on some operations they would turn up with them DeMarco and when they thought the next op would get a little hairy they would turn up with G3. They can have any weapon they like. Poor me with my SA80.
Even H & K couldn't fix the SA-80 .
@@virgil_kane They did. The L85A2 is a completely redesigned weapon.
It's still garbage.
@@richardlahan7068 HK made it work but its......nothing special.
People think the SA80 is the reason that the L119 (SFW) being adopted. It's not wholly the case, it's only a small contributing factor.
The British army (and by extension the SAS) had many experiences with early AR-15 (and some M-16) rifles for jungle warfare, riot control troops and paramilitary, some sources say even earlier than the US military. They've already been using the AR and it's variants before the SA80 was introduced. In general they find the AR-15 to be a decent rifle (lightweight, shorter than the SLR/FAL and was less easily corroded), but some areas were lacking (barrels, magazines, plastics etc). The L119 was a fill-in for the role of a lightweight rifle that they didn't have at the time, it made sense to take something they already had experience with.
Interesting. Would love to know your sources as some of it is a little off to the true story but on the whole an interesting breakdown and good nerdy detail. It also taught me a few things.
I really wish someone made a cold hammer forged SFW barrel with a mid length gas system
Get a DD barrel and have someone machine a simon sleeve on it and reduce to 15.7
You need a real CDN stock on that C8. Funny I have all kinds of access to Colt Canada Diemaco rifles and parts and still buy American ARs! I trained and carried a C7 and did really like the rifle
The diemaco stocks are not allowed for export. We can get stock sets of similar quality, but diemaco ones are a no no.
yep A2 sight was great on KD range, but to fragile. shot my best ,249 with A1.
I like your body armor dude!
randy jerald it’s back brace, I broke my back.
Would love to see the genuine uppers in the US. Thanks ATF...
It wouldn't matter. When Diemaco got bought out, part of their agreement with Colt was Colt Canada/Diemaco items are NOT to be sold commerically in the U.S.
Knights armaments are now selling the uksf special order lower hand guards now they’ve changed to the a2 variant
According to all sources online the SFW barrel length is actually 15.7" and the CQB version had a 10.0" barrel.
I hate correcting the great Chris Bartocci but I couldn't help myself here.
I like his R2D2 costume
Costume? Try back brace. I broke my Bach, spent 4 weeks in the hospital. Nice.
@ I’m glad you didn’t lose your sense of humor while wearing it
Was not a fun situation. I came mm’s from being paralyzed or dead.
I prefer the A1 sights also.
The barrel on bcm c8 sfw is standard barrel not cold hammer forged sir.
He's using it as an example. He knows that.
Question, what is the length of the barrel between the Front Sight Base and the Simon Sleeve? I want to get my BCM upper cut down to the proper length and have the barrel pin and welded.
The barrel isn't CHF. Standard broach cut.
Carl Becklehimer wring sir, Diemaco Colt Canada barrels are CHF. I have watched the process several times.
@@SmallArmsSolutions I mean the BCM. I know the original one is.
@@carlbecklehimer1898 bcm does cold hammer forging as well.
@@dorianleclair7390 I know. I own two rifles with them in them. This model isn't unfortunately. I like HF barrels and prefer the shorter gas system.
Would love to find one of those bcm triad reproductions they made.
Brit SAS also uses H&K 416
Too bad others didn't learn to use the rear sight. Those a2's were so accurate if you knew how to dial em in!
Why was the other channel taken down?
Con la bandera de chili en el pecho de la camiseta
Shirt offending?
Is that Elcan 1-4 powered?
No
The L85 never had an issue with accuracy. That is one area where it always shone. (L86 had some issues on full auto) But yes, rather than employ H&K to improve SA80, the MOD should have piggy-backed on the SAS order and gone for this rifle across the board, IMO. The timeline seems to back up this possibility. Politics...
Not trolling...but isn't that rear sight basically unusable being that far forward on the receiver? Or am I being too much of a "nose on the charging handle" jarhead?
Valhalla When I Die I don’t believe the Canadian Army trains that way like we do.
Are you sure the BCM barrels are CHF? Everything else I’ve read states otherwise, but BCM doesn’t say either way. Edit: BCM has since verified that it's non CHF, button broached. That being said, as much as I love BCM, their customer service reps have been known to get things way wrong.
Their reps won't even share was gas port size the C8 upper is in. I'm swapping mine for a .635. It's a smidge overgassed.
@@humansvd3269 I could probably check (if I have the right pin gauge size). Mine didn’t seem too bad, but definitely a little overgassed. I’m running it with an H2 also though. I just stripped the barrel off of the upper and put it on a Diemaco upper that I was originally running a 14.5” barrel for the “clone” on. The H2 could have contributed to the perceived recoil. May try an H buffer.
@@smokiesleather sorry, I mean I'm going to swap the gas tube for an undersized one. Easier than changing the whole block.
@@humansvd3269 I may even do the same. The BRT ez tune gas tubes work great. Have one on an overgassed 10.3” barrel. Difference is night and day.
It’s a shame the British should have just ditched the sa80 and adopted something like this and made m16 and m4 variants under licence.
There is no longer a license for the M16 , M4 , everything is in the public domain, the best assault rifle is the Scar 16
Do you have a parts list anywhere for your BCM "mock" C8SFW?
If you go to the BCM website and look under 16” carbine length uppers they have the C8 SFW at the top as a complete upper and you can see all the info there
@@ThanksHero It doesn't say what kind of stock, lower, pistol grip, or rear sight, that would be most representative of a real C8SFW.
@@newpeupyoass They use CAR stocks and handguards. Genuine diemaco parts are unobtainable. The CAR buttstock they use is pebbled so your skin doesn't stick in cold. Closest you can get is just CAR stock set. Not an M4 stock set. They also sell detachable A1 handles at CNC Machining. Just type it in. You're not going to get a true C8. BCM also sells the triad rail. My AR is bcm c8
@@humansvd3269 BCM hasn't made the tri rail for some time. They are all but impossible to find.
@@AUSly09 Damn, looks like I'm keeping mine forever.
How much would the real upper go for?
Drew Baglin you could not get one in The United States. If one found its way here by miracle, probably your first born.
Les soldats du monde entier vous envie le SA80, dommage que vous ne le faite pas en 308 avec four a microonde.
Now that CZ has bought Colt I wonder how this will affect Colt Canada.
CZ has made little impact on how Colt is run. Colt did a number on Colt Canada after they acquired it. Were leaches. Sucked money out. Fired its executives who made Diemaco a successful company and thwarted their growth. Very sad actually. I hope at some point CZ will take it in hand and make needed changes.
@@SmallArmsSolutions Wow I didn't know that about Diemaco. Sad
I don’t know why but DIEMACO c8s seem to be the better m4s
So how were the groupings with the various loads/ types?
If I had more money I’d buy the SA-20 and make it into a C7A2 clone
For all it faults the one thing the SA80 wasn't was inaccurate.
when a gun weighs with all nessisary attachments around the same as the previous rifle, which weighed about the same as 2 m4 carbines, all that weight tends to make it able to be accurate with sustained fire.
@@baker90338 I wasn't refering to the weight. I have put thousands of rounds through older versions of the SA80 minus all the crap hanging off it today. The box section steel body of the weapon on the SA80 gave you an extremely rigid monolithic upper which was flat topped and mounted a X4 scope. There were not many weapons at the time that offered that. Yes it had many problems but they had by accident designed into the weapon one of the biggest features that is now considered to be desirable on most service weapons today.
You’re right on that, I’m saying that the gun also has the right amount of weight to allow quicker follow ups
all bullpups are inherently inaccurate, unless its a small batch of rifles with REALLY good custom triggers, which large scale production military rifles are simply not. A long barrel and a rigid frame will not help if you still have a shitty bullpup trigger.
that being said, I'm sure they were plenty accurate for general infantry use, but they will never be able to compare with a trigger or ergonomics of an AR-15 pattern rifle.
Please re release your "go to" rifle build vid
Matt Soares just go see in full30
I will add it to the list but yes, all our videos are available on full30.
Any weapon was better than the SA80 A1 however the SA80A2+3 are much better rifles.
Give it to the canucks they'll getter right eh!
More unobtanium upper receivers
What exactly is that plate looking thing you’re wearing? I’ve seen it in other videos but I have no idea what it is.
He fell off a ladder working on his house. It is a back brace.
Whats with the Stormtrooper uniform ?
dcb1138 broke my back then, it’s a back brace
Well, turns out they aren’t safe for work after all
Stay firsty my friends...
Danh8su I normally hate first comments but this is pretty funny
He posts that on every video
Blame Canada
Lee Holmes no, blame the first president Bush. I believe it was his executive order banning imports of so called assault weapons. Might have been Clinton. Canada would love to export to us
@@SmallArmsSolutions it's a joke from a southpark episode
gotcha!
It wouldn't matter. I've read up somewhere that when Diemaco got bought out, part of their agreement with Colt uSA was Colt Canada/Diemaco items are NOT to be sold commercially in the U.S.
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Take a drink every time he says "actually".
That's not a very nice thing to say about someone who is giving you a lot of very valuable technical information. Moreover, he's not charging you a penny for it.
Just a drinking game, Tom the Gallant White Knight.
@556bc Let's take a look at your videos, unless of course, you're afraid that we're going to say shitty things about them.
"Tom the Gallant White Knight". I like that. I'll have to use that.
Tom, actually, seems to have sand in his downstairs, actually.
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The SA80 has always been far more accurate than the sfw ,also it was only the A1 that was unreliable
Ma tu fai un video di mezzora e non spari nemmeno in full aluto
The hell's he wearing?
Back brace. Around the time this video was made he broke his back.
Oh ok lol
Ouch :-O
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