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I feel like people from non-colonized nations will never understand the pain and suffering that comes from colonisation. My parents' country and its people still face the repercussions of almost a century and a half of colonisation. I say this as an Algerian, not an Irishwoman. In France, we barely touched upon the subject in school. But I think that's why one of the only (or the only?) vehemently pro-Palestinian European nations is Ireland.
I agree. As a Turk (but not a proper one, apparently since I'm also Circassian), one can not criticise the Ottoman Empire and its brutal colonisation strategies in school or in public nowadays. "Everything was going perfect, no one ever got hurt, the ones who rebelled were only brainwashed by the western spies" is all one is going to hear or allowed to say. Even the ones who accept the brutal history of the empire go on the say "Well, there's nothing we can do now", as if their constant praising of those horrible crimes isn't itself disgusting. These evil doers expect you to be grateful for the evil they'd done. Edit: Oh, lovely! Here we go again. What's it with people pointing out the OP that they are not living in their home country?? Colonialism =/= migrating. What a stupid thing to say.
I dont think it can be comprehended without seeing it first-hand. If your entire life has been experienced within the context of fundamental human rights, you have no category for living with no rights whatsoever.
Other large British corporations also own a large majority WWII footage, much of it is in high detail and cannot be found anywhere else. Many thousands of hours of footage from multiple different countries you'd think would be public access, locked away. Want to research about a particular battle, place, weapon, vehicle? Footage likely exists for it but you can't touch it.
From Ireland, it’s always strange to see long form documentaries on UA-cam from, don’t take this the wrong way, foreigners. Thank you for this and thank you for your work. For those interested my great great grandfather was Thomas Ashe, one of the first hunger strikers. Thanks again
11:28 That man was James Connolly and he was not strapped to the chair because he was disabled. He was strapped to the chair because he was so badly injured from the fighting that he couldn’t stand. Doctors estimated he had about 1-2 more days to live.
I kinda thought by disabled he'd meant wounded from the fighting, tbh. A person can be a casualty from the fighting but still very much alive but otherwise too wounded and disabled to stand, like you say.
@@OldSlimJolo the distinction is important though - Connolly was a prisoner of war who was mortally wounded and bleeding to death. Shooting someone in that state even by the standards of the time was seen as abhorrent, and the fact he had to be strapped to a chair robbed him of any dignity in his death. Obviously shooting a disabled person is as vile but the distinction is important in explaining the revulsion felt in Ireland to the exectutions.
@@ulpetzmaznat1366 and i dont disagree, i was just pointing out to the original comment that it probably wasnt meant to imply someone with a mental disability like commenter suggested and 'disabled' by definition extends beyond that. It was absolutely a war crime regardless on the part of the english, in general its kind of fascinating how much of a pass they still get for their treatment / control occupying Ireland and their colonial mission there, people really seem unaware of just how poorly the irish were treated in general even with a passing awareness of the 1800s through to now.
As a child when first reading about Irish history, it was reading about the execution of Connolly that well and truly solidified my stance on the matter. Never felt so disgusted (sadly as I’ve gotten older that disgust has returned with what’s currently going on)
As an Irishman I really don't like how people interchange the words "British" and "English". King James I was Scottish, most of the colonizers especially in Northern Ireland were Scots. The British as a whole colonized us, not just the English.
Most Americans don’t see the difference. We ether see the United Kingdom as a whole, then scots and English,Welsh,Irish. But not the difference between Britain as a island and Ireland as a island. But there’s also just a bunch to understand and we are taught our own history. So it’s not talked about at all really
I see your point and this is likely due to ignorance on the filmmakers part but in a way it’s accurate . What some call “Britain” began as a English project of corrupt Protestants and really its a base of English who truly control the so called “British” Empire . Corrupt Scots also got involved but Scots were really just useful idiots of the regime. It’s one of the Brits great lies that to be “British” benefits Scots or Welsh people when in reality it’s an exploitation of them for the benefit of the elites who are truly in control .
Small nit: the man the English put in a chair before executing back in 1916 was James Connolly. Having been injured in the fighting, he was unable to stand and was, hence, put in a chair. So, he wasn't "disabled" in the sense of having been born with a disability, he was "disabled" because he'd been wounded. Which in no way changes the mockery of justice which lead to his death.
(Irish postgraduate student in history here) I Noticed you cite Tim Pat Coogan in the description and need to point out that he is not a historian and is viewed very poorly by all Irish historians academics worth their salt. His books are polemics with little to no references to actual academic works. For general accounts of Irish history I would instead recommend tye Cambridge History of Ireland (4 volumes), Ireland, a history by Bartlett, Modern Ireland by Foster, or the Oxford Handbook of Modern Irish history. If you specifically want to look at the Troubles and the IRA that existed at this time then look at A Broad Church (2 volumes), Northern Ireland 1921-2001: Political Forces and Social Classes by Paul Bew, Armed Struggle by Richard English, and The Secret Army by Bower Bell.
Would you recommend "Ireland, Colonialism, and the Unfinished Revolution" by Robbie McVeigh and Bill Rolston? it's my next reading and I've heared it's pretty good specially from a marxist perspective
@@PC42190 haven't gotten around to reading it myself but yes I've heard good things about it. You've hinted at this already yourself with your mention of Marxism, my advice would be to keep in mind their analysis comes from a post colonialist perspective and with that comes a particular type of lens through which they view past events. It doesn't mean the work is necessarily wrong, but in historical academia there's a skepticism when it comes to applying philosophical/ideological lenses prior to analysis as many believe that it leads to applying incorrect understanding and/or meaning to events. This documentary is a great example of this. He takes an extreme postcolonial interpretation of events and combines it with very poor historical literacy and understanding, and as a result ends up with a highly simplistic and skewed understanding of the IRA and Irish nationalism/republicanism. Read the book and look at similar works before you make your mind up. Books I've looked at on the subject and would recommend are Making Empire by Ohlmeyer, Ireland and Empire by Howe, and Westward Enterprise by Andrews, Canny, and Hair.
@@WindTurbineSyndrome thank you. It should, but it won't, because it highlights the lack of research conducted. To be honest I strongly feel this whole video is a Wikipedia job. 1 hour and 10 minutes documenting roughly 100 years of history and there are 5 listed sources; 1 is a non academic polemic, 2 others are by the same author. 1 sources is highly specific and about about murders during the Troubles, and 2 of the 5 are on 1916. How did he know so much about the war of independence, civil war, border campaign, civil rights movement, early troubles, '69 split etc? Put two and two together and in Horses case you get five. He also mentions Richard English' s book but never cites it, which is very odd if you've done the research.... Very frustrating working in the field of history and seeing content mills churn out half baked "documentaries" that misinform and make money from it.
Being Irish there are some serious problems with this video. The SDLP and John Humme has been completely written out of the story of the civil rights movement and been replaced with the original IRA which was practically defunct by the 60s. Also the insinuation that the Irish Defence Forces were commanded by British forces at 41:45 is completely unfounded which coincides with a broader problem of completely ignoring the Republic of Ireland as if the IRA was the only Irish involved in the whole island.
You're correct, as an Englishmen I've found navigating the Irish conflict fraught with biased sources. When you break down the affected parties, the militant Irish faction, the post independence democratic government, Irish republic civilians, the unionist northern Irish civilians, northern Irish catholics, the British government, British civilians I can understand why. Without considering the entirety of these parties it's hard to grasp the complexity of this conflict.
You have the fastest most deserved growth in UA-cam I’ve ever seen. Quality content and to see you go from 100k and eventually 1M is nothing but amazing. Standing ovation
But he nailed it from day one. Probably his past job as chef and understanding that how something looks is also a consideration for how much you will pay for certain meal..
Same. I was recommended one of his early videos by the algorithm when he was still under 100k, and I was mostly puzzled why. I'm glad I clicked on it, because I was immediately enthralled by his narration and visuals. Growth well deserved!
The erroneous interchanging of England/English and Britain/British creates an extremely poor historical narrative. These are different terms with different meanings and in the context of Irish history, its a very important distinction.
Despite some inaccuracies as pointed out by others i really appricate this video espically coming from a yank it is always great to see people of other backgrounds taking an jnterest in irish history
Even though the terms "Britain" and "England" were originally muddled in nationalist and imperialist English/British propaganda, it's historically inaccurate to refer to Britain as "England" when discussing anything after 1707. Referring to the Acts of Union as the "English Act of Union" is confusing at best, misleading at worst. Are you referring to the 'Act of Union with Scotland' that was passed through the English parliament, or the 'Act of Union with England' that was passed through the Scottish parliament? Discussing the Orange Order or UVF without acknowledgement of their primarily Scottish and Ulster Scot founders is also a big miss, especially amongst the repeated mislabelling of Britain in this period as "England". Scottish protestants were (and still are) among the most firebrand unionists in both Britain and Ireland. If the subject was the Anglo-Norman invasion or Cromwell's atrocities in Ireland, then England would be an accurate label. However, everything Britain has done in Ireland since 1707 (or even further back in 1609, when James VI & I began the Plantation of Ulster) warrants a framing that acknowledges the role Scotland played in British imperialism, and the emergence of a British unionist identity that was central to Britain's colonial rule in Ireland through the 18th, 19th, and 20th centuries. Britain's crimes in Ireland were perpetrated by leading offenders from both England and Scotland, and ignoring that does a disservice to any attempt to understand Irish history and anti-colonial nationalism.
"Discussing the Orange Order or UVF without acknowledgement of their primarily Scottish and Ulster Scot founders is also a big miss, especially amongst the repeated mislabelling of Britain in this period as "England". Scottish protestants were (and still are) among the most firebrand unionists in both Britain and Ireland." Sadly, the important historical distinctions there and between the protestant groups and english and scottish are not understood at all by the IRA fanboys.
@@isbee56 Ah, the 1800 Acts of Union. I didn't even consider that option as the term "English Act of Union" is even less applicable to acts passed through the British and Irish parliaments.
@@isbee56 It was obvious what he was trying to talk about, but he used incorrect language entirely. Those sorts of issues definitely call into question disputed claims throughout the video.
Thank you very much for addressing our long and dark history in such a matter of fact and human fashion. One of the best videos on the topic i have ever seen.
I've been enjoying this channel and listening to your stories while I work and hey guess what you just uploaded an hour long, highly polished and informed video on my country! Awesome stuff, greetings from the wet & windy South West Coast of Ireland 🇮🇪
Ok a few major and minor mistakes in here. Overall I get the vibe that this documentary was a rushed passion project as there are some massive oversights and inaccuracies throughout. I understand you're not Irish, but at the same time if you make a documentary you need be a lot more ontop of the history and events. I will say your editing is brilliant and with greater attention to the literature out there this could have been a very solid overview of the IRAs history. When speaking of Irish attempts to achieve self-government you seem to be confusing Sinn Féin with the Irish Parliamentary Party (IPP). The former never took seats in Westminster and was only a major political force after the 1916 Rising. The IPP stood in Westminster and sought home rule (devolved government) and actually were successful in achieving it....but WW1 broke out ans it never came to be. The Irish Volunteers did not declare ireland an independent state. The Irish Volunteers had a major split over the question of participation in WW1. The vast majority of the force followed the lead of John Redmond (IPP leader) and joined the British Army, believing it would assist with the home rule movement. They were never forced by the British government to do so as you incorrectly state. A small fraction of the Volunteers remained in Ireland and were under the leadership of Eoin MacNeill. An even smaller fraction of this group that remained in ireland participanted in the 1916 Rising after a false document stated MacNeill ordered it. MacNeill found out about this document and succeeded in stopping all but 1,000 Volunteers from participating in the rising. There was no such thing as the "Irish Volunteer Force Declaration of Independence", it was simply the Proclamation of the Republic, which was written and signed by the military council of the Irish Republican Brotherhood (IRB). To be honest its a massive oversight that you never mentioned the IRB when in reality they were the organisation that instigated the rising and brought together members of the various armed groups (Volunteers, Irish Citizen Army, etc) that took part in the fighting. You overstate the power and role of the Volunteers throughout the video when in reality they were pretty much just manpower to be used by the brains of the operation in the IRB. The Easter Rising in itself didnt galvanise a movement for independence amongst the Irish population. The rising was initially received by the citizens extremely poorly, with them being extremely angered by the destruction of the city and the deaths of civilians (mire civilians died that British army or irish rebel forces). It was only with the execution of the leaders that popular support for independence was sparked. Again on Sinn Féin and there role in republicanism. The 1916 Rising was mistakenly referred to as the "Sinn Féin Rising" by the papers, with members and their leader, Arthur Griffith, being imprisoned even though they had no role in the rising. The Dáil of 1919 (the breakaway Irish parliament) was actually highly functional and not just a symbolic act. A large aspect of the success during the war of independence was the act of ignoring British civil and political systems, with the Dáil courts being adopted by many citizens to settle legal problems. Small point so not a biggie, the volunteers were not initially the armed wing of sinn féin, rather, they had the same priorities and objectives. The actual outbreak of the war of independence was due to a number of volunteers acting against the ruilings of the Dáil to operate on a non violent basis, with them carrying out an ambush on Royal Irish Constabulary (RIC) police officers and killing them at Soloheadbeg. Only during the war did the Volunteers/IRA fall under closer control of the parliament. A bit strong saying the Dáil was destroyed after the treaty. The Dáil remained but a Governor General representing the King replaced the president role that was used during the War of independence. It is so so very wrong to insinuate that the wolfe tone societies and IRA started the civil rights movement. The civil rights movement operated as an umbrella with all kinds of nationalists, republicans, militants, pacifists, and Protestants seeking to end discrimination against Catholics. John Hume and Bernadette Devlin were key figures in this movement, much much more so than Gouldling and the IRA, and should be mentioned. As an Irish person I have to say that it is deeply wrong and offensive to claim the civil rights movement was in any way at fault for the Troubles. The civil rights movement did not "spin out of control", it was wholly peaceful and campaigned for equal rights. The sectarian Northern Ireland state and it's apparatus cracked down with violence upon protestors. You say "Royal Forces" and "Royal Police". This is a bit confusing considering the British monarchy and all that. The Royal Ulster Constabulary or RUC should be used instead. The IRA split of 1969 was not really a political vs militant strategy dispute, it was a split over in the influence of marxist leninist ideology and its connections to other socialist/communist insurgencies, as well as the policy of abstentionism from the Irish Dáil. The Provisional IRA were more broad church/conservative and wanted to continue to abstain, whilst the Official IRA wanted to partake in politics and put forward a socialist front. Whilst the Officials were more open to peaceful routes, both organisations were violent. The Provisional IRA were not hard leftists, they were loosely ideologically socialist. The Official IRA were hardleftists. You use the term Loyalist very loosely. Refering to the British Army and the RUC as loyalist is correct in the sense that they were pro Uk and pro Northern Ireland, but not in the true sense of the term. Loyalist is used to refer to more militant forms of unionist expression by civilians and paramilitary groups. The Provisional IRA didnt abandon political means after Bloody Sunday as they had been solely commited to violent means so there were no peaceful means to abandon!!!! They split with the Officials due to their overly political outlook that the Provisionals thought detracted from the armed struggle. Only in '81 did the "armalite and ballet box" policy of militant and political policy come to the forefront of Provisional strategy. Airey Neave was not the leader of the Conservative Party, he was shadow secretary of state for Northern Ireland. Margaret Thatcher, one of the most famous British Prime ministers of all time was the conservative leader at the time. I'm sorry but how can you not know this and try to make a comprehensive video about the IRA? In discussing the involvement of the USA you seem to conflate the IRA and Republicans with the Irish State. The British did not cut off of Ireland. Whilst in the early years of the Troubles they would not allow the Irish government to get involved in mediating or ending the conflict, since the early 70s the Irish and British governments met routinely to pave a way forward and end the violence. The Irish state was in no way acting alongside the IRA, it routinely was at odds against it. The European Union did not give london a "more integrated role" in Ireland. Whilst they remained irelands main trading partner, the joining of the EU actually brought about the begining of a movement away from the United Kingdom, with Ireland becoming less solely reliant on its neighbour for economic improvement. Sinn Féin did play a part in bringing about the Good Friday Agreement, but again you need to acknowledge the role of the Social Democratic Labour Party in the process. They were the most popular nationalist party at the time and dwarfed Sinn Féins political support. Not really an inaccuracy, but saying Sinn Féin have significant support is an understatement. They are the largest party in the Irish State and will likely be the major party in the next government. More significantly they are the largest party in the Northern Ireland Assemy (devolved parliament of Northern Ireland) and are the first nationalist/republican party to elect a First Minister and be the largest party in Northern Ireland.
Ok I'm after noticing the referral to the Parachute regiment/Paras as "the parachutes" and the mention of the mythical "British commanded Irish Army". Please do some actual research instead of pumping out poorly constructed narratives that you've come up with off the top of your head.
This was a fantastically made video that was patient with both side's arguments and stating fact rather than bias.Thank you from a very pleased Derry woman 🇮🇪
@@nowisthetime6093from the British Raj, to British America, from China to Africa, surely we have shown that governance without the agency people of the country imparts suffering onto the proletariat? Once again we do the same, with Brexit and now the borders lie in disarray. Perhaps we should not ignore the voices of the people whose lives are at stake.
Glad i got to watch through the original before the take down. I'll watch through, like, and comment on this one as well to get the algorithm going for it!
@@WarlordEnthusiast Like he said, generally a lot of BBC videos that were made about the situation from the time it was happening. It added a lot of context to the mentality of the people during the time the events happened.
Great video bro..as a journalism major, and being part Irish, I appreciate your attention to detail and your non biased approach to this subject. You deserve to be a huge youtuber!
35:35 “the republicans engaged exclusively in urban guerilla warfare”. That’s simply incorrect, most of the heaviest fighting in the war was in Armagh, which is not an urban county at all, the Brits called it Bandit Country and lost the majority of their soldiers there, these engagements were in fields and wooded areas as well as small towns, it got so bad that the Brits would only travel by helicopter to avoid being ambushed on the roads. The IRA would then attempt to shoot their helicopters down, successfully on several occasions. Before the peace agreements the IRA actually acquired SAMs. The most deadly engagement for the Brits in the conflict was in another rural area, not an urban centre, the Narrow Water ambush in County Down right on the border, where they were hit with IEDs and mortars, along with intense rifle and machine gun fire and had a helicopter damaged, they lost 18 killed and more than 20 wounded. I appreciate the effort you’ve gone into in this video but every few minutes I notice something you’ve gotten wrong or aren’t giving enough information on and it bugs me lol.
@@carefulnow6229 There were several helicopters that day, a Wessex was damaged by an explosion while escorting British wounded, the Provos were trying to destroy it but weren’t successful. British soldiers as well as other witnesses reported being fired on after the IED’s were detonated and returning fire, they hit two civilians across the border during this exchange. One could argue though that the Brits claimed they were returning fire to cover themselves like they usually did though. And sorry that was my mistake, it was in County Down you’re right.
I'm sorry but what exactly do you mean "mortars" the PIRA didn't use any mortars during that ambush at Warrenpoint.... where exactly are you getting your information from
This is can be a hard subject to broach growing up with the tail-end of the civilian bombing campaign from the IRA, however I often challenge myself to confront it and appreciate the take with due consideration to your moral position on the issue and sympathies. My personal opinion is simply this. Past transgressions and history aside, this cannot be changed, the future of Northern Ireland should be left in the hands of the Northern Irish people. For a unified Ireland or not. A couple of points, it's easily done though incorrect, the use of 'English' in place of 'British' to describe the British government. Also the Parachute Regiment are colloquially known as simply 'The Paras' particularly in this context. Cheers
'civilian bombing campaign' is not quite correct though is it? It's charged an propagandised language and is bad faith. Not excusing the bombing at all it is clear and obvious by their actions the bombing campaigns by the IRA were not targeting civilians but an attempt at targeting economic centres. If their aim was killing as many civilians as possible, phoning ahead warnings to evacuate would be a really stupid thing to do.
My greatest gripe is how little mentions names of such influential leaders like Padraic Pierce, James Connolly, Micheal Collins just to name a few who carry modern influence to this day.
Sorry you had to re-do the video a bunch of times. I know how that feels. Glad it still came out as good as this, though. Excellent use of music in this, too.
Absolutely love your videos. I think you’re one of the best essayists on UA-cam. And thank you for covering this topic, being a prodigal descendant of Ireland meant a lot of pain (though removed) for my family during the Troubles. Having been fortunate enough to visit Ireland recently and to see the country healing was a joy.
As an Irishman, and long time fan of this channel, I want to commend you on your refreshingly measured and balanced perspective on this troubled era of our nation's history.
I would have added in the Irish Citizen's Army in 1916, as James Connolly was the socialist leader that wrote most of the Irish Volunteer Constitution. This is important because most of the post WW2 movements would have socialist ideals ingrained into the concept of the volunteers, not just nationalism itself. And while the Irish Civil War is a topic that would deserve a video of its own, you cannot really just skip over Éamon de Valera's anti-treaty stance. And he is the the one that got Southern Ireland out of the commonwealth altogether, so that made the IRA within Ireland to be viewed as obsolete. I would also mention in the 1930s that there was a left wing and right wing split, with the Blue Shirts being largely nationalist, while the left wing would have supported socialist movements.
I would also would have brought up the so called Official Irish Republican Army that was more pro-Soviet and thus one the reasons it was less popular than the Provos.
The Blueshirts were largely fascist. A form of nationalism, and an Irish form at that, but not to be confused with general Irish nationalism, which has always been liberation focused. And certainly not to be confused with Irish Republicanism, which has always been "to the left", be it the United Irishmen, the Fenians and IRB, the IV & ICA, IRA, PIRA, N/CIRA, etc.
Thank you for the amazing videos you make. I’ve been following you for a while and Ive really enjoyed seeing your channel grow and get the recognition it deserves. Happy to finally “meet” you and put a face on those deep thoughts! Keep up the good work💛
I love how all of horses videos make me eager to read up on new subjects with measured skepticism leveled at the perspectives from which these stories have been documented. I found school always seemed to lack the bite and complexity expected of political, and idealogical struggles. Thank god we can research such subjects with comparative ease since the proliferation of the interne.
What do you think of the last message though? I want to hear your thoughts of how those on sidelands shouldn't criticize military groups because they are oppressed ?
thank you for the insightful commentary! I have been trying to do research about this topic lately and have found it difficult to access reliable and detailed resources, so please know how much I appreciate your work here :)
I am blown away with your progress. Your videos are with no doubt the most interesting. Your voice is so calming. You’re really gifted at story telling I feel I actually love your brain. Thank you
I have a few criticisms of the video, although overall I think it's a good one, and I'm sorry UA-cam gave it such hell. I love the presentation. Apologies for the text wall! Nobody's gonna get persuaded of anything by my UA-cam comment, but I'd like to encourage people to do more research into the fascinating history. I get you mainly want to talk about the Revolutionary Period, and condensing any 400-year history for context is always difficult. But wouldn't it at least be worth mentioning that the history's not 400 but 800 years since the first Anglo-Norman invasion? You could only talk about events from the 1600s on without implying England wasn't trying to conquer Ireland for centuries beforehand. To your credit, you cite mismanagement by the British as a cause of the Great Hunger. It might be more clear-cut than this, even simplified for the sake of a brief mention. Black '47 was a deliberate act of man-made famine by the UK government of Robert Peel. The Wikipedia article alone's description of the genocide debate is a battleground, but judging by the actions of the government, there was a deliberate effort to cause and exacerbate such hideous mass death that the population still hasn't recovered. (For example, when the Ottoman Sultan attempted to send humanitarian aid, the British blockaded Ireland with the Royal Navy, and the Turkish fleet resorted to smuggling. The British exported grain during the famine, just as they did in Bengal a century later.) Skipping to the Easter Rising, it can't be overstated how much its defeat killed much of Ireland's left wing. James Connolly and most of the other leaders of the failed revolution included communists and anarchists. (To crush the Easter Rising, the British actually sailed a damn gunboat into Dublin Harbour and fired shells at the city, the Muirchu.) Also worth noting is that the assertion that the IVF were not interested in any side of the war isn't quite true. The Declaration of the Irish Republic makes reference to the German Empire as a "gallant ally abroad." In the 1969 Civil Rights Riots, the police didn't just use water cannons and batons. They used two armoured cars equipped with heavy machine guns to fire into houses, murdering 9-year-old Patrick Rooney, as witnessed by journalist Max Hastings. I think you attributed this to the British Army? Don't get me wrong, they killed kids as well, but Rooney was shot by the DUP police. They also got unionist paramilitary thugs to do their dirty work with sticks and dustbin lids. You mentioned the Provos didn't deal drugs - true, and also they engaged in brutal vigilantism against drug dealers.
That is a wobbly history of the orange order right there. Plus about 9:20 "the British demanded" the Irish nationalists fight for them. Except there was no conscription in Ireland. They didn't dare.
Great video fotage, editing and narration. I have only one gripe, when you tell the sory of the Mountbatten assasination you refer to the 3 others killed in the blast as "people" and not his grandson and inlaws.
Well their deaths were not the only ones killed that year in 1979 the war in northern Ireland was hot and heavy then that's the context hundreds killed that year
we understand the pain of occupation. nothing compares to what is happening right now in gaza though. the standing ovations for netanyahu in the US congress made me sick to my stomach.
Just a quick correction, it was the Irish Parliamentary Party that pushed Home Rule, not Sinn Féin. At the time Sinn Féin was a minority party that was originally Dual Monarchist like that of Austria Hungary, it was not until after 1916 that Sinn Féin would become popular as they incorrectly got associated with the rebellion.
Another note is that the million immigrated isnt entirely accurate, Irish immigrants had to leave the country via "coffin ships" during the famine, as you can guess from their title survival wasnt guaranteed or even likely, although it is hard if not impossible to garner an accurate ratio of immigrants that survived vs died, it is safe to say the several hundreds of thousands of those "immigrated" were infact part of the death tally
As a student of history from Ireland I didn't expect much from this but am pleasantly surprised by the well informed story told here. It's a lot to cram into an hour but you did a good job
British including wales and Scotland not just England. Blame falls on the rich ruling class of Britain not in my opinion the working class who were treated as bad as the Irish. working class unite and fight together for freedom ✌️🇮🇪
@@RobertMcQuillan-my3du they weren't treated as bad as the Irish people in the north, we had internment without trial, curfews, military bases and a bigoted police force to put it lightly
I mostly listen to your videos when I go to the gym so I have something to think about instead of the 20 pound weight in my hand. I think your voice is so soothing. While your videos are not loud, technically, they give me something to think about, well, loudly, if that makes sense.
the videos you put out are incredible!! narration is great, information is succinct and easy to understand and the visuals are eyecatching! great work 🩷
Rewatched this and it’s such a great video. My grandad grew up during the troubles, fought against the British occupation and went on to be a peace keeper in Palestine - he’s not around anymore, but I can’t imagine he’d be happy to see the current state of the world.
The way you conflate "English" & "British" throughout this video erases the role of Scots in the colonisation of Ulster, which seems like a huge omission since the majority of protestant settlers in Northern Ireland originated in Scotland. Not to mention all the sectarian orange marches that continue to plague cities and towns in Scotland in the modern day. It lets scots colonists off the hook by laying the blame exclusively with England
@@TheNoSuchThingPodcast What an exceptionally irrelevant point, I'd bet nearly any modern white european person has Catholic ancestors. The Irish were once pagans, now they're christian, the irony
Actually they were Borderers came from both from southern Scotland and nothern England- there were also Welsh, Dutch, and Highlanders that fought and settled Ulster (the 6, not the 9) - ironic that you criticize him, but are also wrong. Borderers were and are some of the fiercest fighters the same that settled and exolored the southern Highlands and Appllacians through the West. The ones brought in by the governor of Pennsylvania to fight Indians on their weatern border it safe for their citizens. The same ones that led the 1798 Irish Rebellion. The same ones who hold many world strongman and powerlifting records in current day. There are FAR more Ulster-Scots Scots-Irish throughout the world than Catholic Irish today. Let them off the hook for what? Being skilled warfighters ? Even my IRA girl with the IRA family whose Aunt and Uncle's funerals were saluted with rifles fired in formation by old IRA men from the South, just in the past 3-4 years, and whose house was regularly rauded by the RUC and Army searching for hodden men and/or weapons during the Troubles- and whose cousin leads a Dissident faction in city 45 minutes north of her in Mid-Ulster to this day knows this- why dont you? This sounds like Plastic Paddy shtt.
The Scots would have not been under the British empire were it not for the union of the crowns though. So 'British' does account for 'Scottish' in this instance.
@@porridgeramen7220 you're totally right there. It just bothered me that this video wrote Scots out of Irish history, the existence of Ulster Scots isn't mentioned once, and I think that a presumably American (or just generally uninformed) audience would walk away with the impression that the English were the only ones who did anything wrong. And as much as I enjoyed listening to Margaret Thatcher being described as The English Prime Minister, it came off more as ignorance that the UK isn't just England yet than a commentary on Thatcher's complete lack of support in Scotland.
I must say, I applaud this video and by extension, it's creator. Viewing this from a purely factual standpoint, covering what you deemed considerably to be the pressingly important moments with-in the relative history and to do so with neither an implicit support nor opposition to said facts even when one may arguably justify it, but rather simply a summation of said facts. I can give nothing short of a well deserved "Bravo!", especially given the severe rarity of such methods of Historical telling's that many have to endure by current... standards, or lack there of. Well done. (Edited for Grammer)
incredible video. brilliant visuals and very informative. i feel like i completely understood everything you said despite the complex nature of the topic, thank you
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The bit about Catholics and Protestants being pitted against one another at the working class level (and elsewhere, but I’m focused on them specifically for this point) in order to divide and distract the Irish people from meaningful progress towards independence overall is so poignant when you look at American history and the histories of many, many nations. Heck, look what’s happening today! While the elite (which nowadays is more so corporations than governments imo, simply because corporations have bought their way firmly in to politics and every fabric of government period) continue hoarding wealth and creating policies to protect their interests at the expense of literally everyone/everything else, they’ve got working class people fighting over dumb shit. Literal nonsense, “culture wars” over topics that every individual deserves their opinion on and the right to live how THEY choose. Everything else is lip service aimed at enraging one side against the other, while at the exact same time the corporations shove price increases down our throats due to inflation they created. They gobble up single family homes across the country (and likely world), where Private Equity slowly continue operating as massive landlords instead of taking their vast wealth and finding ways to boost homeownership (which in turn boosts the economy overall). On and on it goes. You want to worry about pronouns instead of economic r*pe? Fine, that’s your right. But don’t bitch and moan when the cowards in politics and the scumbags in business steal from you, help you look for what they stole, and then sell you your own shit back at an unreasonable markup. Yep, worry about about the brown family moving in the neighborhood instead 🤷♂️.
I've known about Ireland's struggle for so long but was too busy caring for WW2 history to give some time to educate myself on it thanks for opening the door for me.
As a huge fan of your videos and someone from Ireland, its so exciting to see this and even better to realise you have really done the work and presented it as well as ever. Go raibh maith agat !
Quite a few weird things like saying the Orange Order were the colonial ruling class of Ireland. They were a tool of the ruling class for sure, but mainly based in the North and recruiting from among working-class Protestants. The colonial ruling class is more often called the 'Protestant Ascendancy'. Also the bit about the British 'shooting a disabled man tied to a chair'. This refers to James Connolly's execution, but you wouldn't know that from the doc and its just a bit misleading. Idk why you wouldn't name him, he's one of the most internationally famous Irish rebels. From the doc you would think they just killed some random disabled person, not the main military commander of the uprising who was wounded in the fighting. Additionally the Easter Rising wasn't planned by the Irish Volunteers, but by the secret Irish Republican Brotherhood, which is not even mentioned. And the implication that the IRA 'supported Hitler' isn't accurate either. Some did sure, but the movement was totally fragmented at this time. In reality, most supporters of fascism were on the pro-treaty side of the Civil War and in the Free State Govt, and most anti-treatyites were left-wing, some of them even communists. This, plus the whole civil war is mostly just skipped over. There's maybe a few other bits, and it gets better in the Troubles-era content. Still, as someone who has studied the subject, it doesn't seem like very thorough research has been done.@@turinmiso8206
Yeah like he hasn’t mentioned anything to do with the boundary commission, the Anglo-Irish trade war (1932-38), Eamon de Valera’s efforts which eventually formed the Republic of Ireland in 1949, the Fascist Blueshirt movement of the ‘30s and other things which were important in between the Irish War of Independence and the Troubles. Also for during the Troubles, he doesn’t really go into the Official IRA and the Offo-Provo split in the OIRA and PIRA which was actually very hostile. Yes I’d probably get more things wrong with these topics but I’d still attempt to go into detail with them. Like I might get some dates wrong (such as the Official IRA ceasefire being in 1972 which I think is accurate but may be entirely false) but I’d rather put the effort in and be corrected than not mention these things at all.
Yeah I appreciate more light being shone on our dark history but the way he skipped over the famine and that the British caused it kind of rubbed me the wrong way. The horrors of our colonisation being skipped was a bit strange considering how interesting it is.
Peculiar as an Irish person to watch a long form documentary by a foreigner on a conflict in Ireland, thankfully things have changed alot in Ireland now and violence is rare.
Very enjoyable and informative video. But you have to understand that feelings about the troubles run unimaginably deep in Britain and Ireland, and so while any stand against oppression is noble, you have to be weary of painting an overly romanticised view of the IRA. For example, 2 others killed alongside Mountbatten you mentioned were children. Either way, I’m a big fan of your channel after discovering it recently
This guy doesn’t know the difference between “England” / English” and “Britain” / British”. Keeps using them interchangeably. It’s quite jarring, and makes this doc lose credibility a bit. For most of the time periods talked about here, it was the British government that was ruling over Ireland. There hasn’t been an English parliament since 1707. The history of Ireland is brutal, and their fight for freedom is an important story that should be told more often. But please get the basics right when you’re telling it.
@@hb3393 it’s ok to be ignorant on a topic, but he shouldn’t be making documentaries about it if that’s the case. I’ve noticed things few times with Americans making “documentaries” about the U.K. or Ireland
I liked the documentary overall but I found your conclusions at the end a bit odd. We have every right to judge a movement if that movement is engaging in terrorist activities which led to the deaths of hundreds of innocent people. I doubt the families of the people who died in the bombings and shootings would agree that we shouldn’t judge the methods of their murderers just because it’s not our country. And it’s not through these terroristic methods, but through compromise and negotiation that the Good Friday Agreement and a lasting peace has even come about in Northern Ireland. A united Ireland will likely come about through the democratic process and not through armed conflict.
Where is ur compassion for the starved million people and all the deaths on their side or the political prosecution that led to the violence and prevented the democratic process to happen. Urs is a very shallow and one sided view of how history happens.
@@cumulonimbus432 I would say the same about you. I don’t think any kind of political struggle no matter how correct it’s moral stance is justified in shooting and blowing to pieces innocent people. Sorry.
@@liamcragin u conveniently ignore that the democratic process was not possible and people on their side were abused, starved and killed for hundreds of years with the intention to delete their culture.
No anticolinial liberation movement has succeeded without some sort of armed struggle... And that's not because subjugated people are inherently violent, that's because their oppressors wouldn't listen or would even meet their nonviolent protests with mass killings. So yes, while it's sad for every civilian that died in all of this, the blood is entirely on Britain's hands. It's the same story over and over again: Haiti, algeria, South Africa, Palestine and so many more.
@@linesofcoke you’re acting like there’s no such thing as tactics or strategy. I’m not a pacifist but it’s possible to fight a war without purposefully targeting civilians. Also I would look up Indian independence and eventually South African which moved from violence to non-violence. Also Northern Ireland is an exceptional case as the majority of the people there were Unionists so you weren’t just fighting an “imperialist” occupier you were also fighting a majority of people in the province who wanted to remain part of the United Kingdom, so it’s not the case of a unified nation of colonized people fighting against their colonizers, it’s a case of two political and religious groups fighting against each other. My guess is the province would already be turned back to the Irish Republic, probably back in 1923, if it weren’t for the Protestant Unionists wanting to stay part of the UK.
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Well done young man truthfully accurate you hit the nail on the head well done.
Why did it seem like you completely ignored the existence of the Republic of Ireland in this video?
There’s a deep irony in the BBC owning the footage of the IRA
Its about controlling the narrative by bbc. 😢
That’s what I’m saying
Hopefully, sooner rather than later a lot of new creative commons footage will be created for the future generations.
@@patrickbasedman9074 When did you say that. Did UA-cam remove your comment?
Why would masked guerrillas video themselves? Haha
I don't know if I've said it before, but your font & typeface game is second to none.
Typeface* 🤓
Font refers to size and style
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The power of the gothic fonts.
@@AcesAndNatesA pedantic distinction without a difference.
I feel like people from non-colonized nations will never understand the pain and suffering that comes from colonisation. My parents' country and its people still face the repercussions of almost a century and a half of colonisation. I say this as an Algerian, not an Irishwoman. In France, we barely touched upon the subject in school. But I think that's why one of the only (or the only?) vehemently pro-Palestinian European nations is Ireland.
The similarities between the formation of the ira and Hamas (or any group of ppl left with no option aside from violence) should really be pointed out
I agree. As a Turk (but not a proper one, apparently since I'm also Circassian), one can not criticise the Ottoman Empire and its brutal colonisation strategies in school or in public nowadays. "Everything was going perfect, no one ever got hurt, the ones who rebelled were only brainwashed by the western spies" is all one is going to hear or allowed to say. Even the ones who accept the brutal history of the empire go on the say "Well, there's nothing we can do now", as if their constant praising of those horrible crimes isn't itself disgusting. These evil doers expect you to be grateful for the evil they'd done.
Edit: Oh, lovely! Here we go again. What's it with people pointing out the OP that they are not living in their home country?? Colonialism =/= migrating. What a stupid thing to say.
Kraut has a great video on the French police that touches on their infringement of the Algerian people in France the last century. Well worth a watch
Why are you choosing to live among your colonizers rather than in Algeria?
I dont think it can be comprehended without seeing it first-hand. If your entire life has been experienced within the context of fundamental human rights, you have no category for living with no rights whatsoever.
"The *British* Broadcasting Corporation owns all footage of the IRA."
Irony at its finest.
Tyranny*
Man, this is simply mind blowing. Truth. So ridiculous this world
@JoeHeine so might even say car bombingly ridiculous lol
The british army nor the ira won the troubles the bbc did lol
Other large British corporations also own a large majority WWII footage, much of it is in high detail and cannot be found anywhere else. Many thousands of hours of footage from multiple different countries you'd think would be public access, locked away. Want to research about a particular battle, place, weapon, vehicle? Footage likely exists for it but you can't touch it.
From Ireland, it’s always strange to see long form documentaries on UA-cam from, don’t take this the wrong way, foreigners. Thank you for this and thank you for your work. For those interested my great great grandfather was Thomas Ashe, one of the first hunger strikers. Thanks again
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@@donharrington7433 the heart knows what the heart want a
I have a long republican line as I'm a boyne 💚🇮🇪💚
90% of irish descendants live outside of ireland so its a no brainer that someone would be interested in ireland
just wait untill you learn your own history lil bro. the americans saved our asses and apple the phone company is our paypig overlords .
11:28 That man was James Connolly and he was not strapped to the chair because he was disabled. He was strapped to the chair because he was so badly injured from the fighting that he couldn’t stand. Doctors estimated he had about 1-2 more days to live.
I kinda thought by disabled he'd meant wounded from the fighting, tbh. A person can be a casualty from the fighting but still very much alive but otherwise too wounded and disabled to stand, like you say.
@@OldSlimJolo the distinction is important though - Connolly was a prisoner of war who was mortally wounded and bleeding to death. Shooting someone in that state even by the standards of the time was seen as abhorrent, and the fact he had to be strapped to a chair robbed him of any dignity in his death. Obviously shooting a disabled person is as vile but the distinction is important in explaining the revulsion felt in Ireland to the exectutions.
@@ulpetzmaznat1366 and i dont disagree, i was just pointing out to the original comment that it probably wasnt meant to imply someone with a mental disability like commenter suggested and 'disabled' by definition extends beyond that. It was absolutely a war crime regardless on the part of the english, in general its kind of fascinating how much of a pass they still get for their treatment / control occupying Ireland and their colonial mission there, people really seem unaware of just how poorly the irish were treated in general even with a passing awareness of the 1800s through to now.
Thank you for distinguishing this
As a child when first reading about Irish history, it was reading about the execution of Connolly that well and truly solidified my stance on the matter. Never felt so disgusted (sadly as I’ve gotten older that disgust has returned with what’s currently going on)
As an Irishman I really don't like how people interchange the words "British" and "English". King James I was Scottish, most of the colonizers especially in Northern Ireland were Scots. The British as a whole colonized us, not just the English.
Most Americans don’t see the difference. We ether see the United Kingdom as a whole, then scots and English,Welsh,Irish. But not the difference between Britain as a island and Ireland as a island.
But there’s also just a bunch to understand and we are taught our own history. So it’s not talked about at all really
Facts
we aren’t taught very well😭 the USA is just the USA yk?? americans are americans
One of the main reasons I don’t call Britain the “UK”
I see your point and this is likely due to ignorance on the filmmakers part but in a way it’s accurate .
What some call “Britain” began as a English project of corrupt Protestants and really its a base of English who truly control the so called “British” Empire . Corrupt Scots also got involved but Scots were really just useful idiots of the regime.
It’s one of the Brits great lies that to be “British” benefits Scots or Welsh people when in reality it’s an exploitation of them for the benefit of the elites who are truly in control .
Small nit: the man the English put in a chair before executing back in 1916 was James Connolly. Having been injured in the fighting, he was unable to stand and was, hence, put in a chair. So, he wasn't "disabled" in the sense of having been born with a disability, he was "disabled" because he'd been wounded. Which in no way changes the mockery of justice which lead to his death.
I have very strong feelings about this, and was hesitant to watch: but you did a beautiful job. The last line is perfection.
ty very much! -Michael
@@HorsesOnYT I feel like you're worthy of adopting the name Micheál now
@@HorsesOnYTThank you I’m from the North of our land good nail on the head well done.
(Irish postgraduate student in history here) I Noticed you cite Tim Pat Coogan in the description and need to point out that he is not a historian and is viewed very poorly by all Irish historians academics worth their salt. His books are polemics with little to no references to actual academic works.
For general accounts of Irish history I would instead recommend tye Cambridge History of Ireland (4 volumes), Ireland, a history by Bartlett, Modern Ireland by Foster, or the Oxford Handbook of Modern Irish history.
If you specifically want to look at the Troubles and the IRA that existed at this time then look at A Broad Church (2 volumes), Northern Ireland 1921-2001: Political Forces and Social Classes by Paul Bew, Armed Struggle by Richard English, and The Secret Army by Bower Bell.
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Would you recommend "Ireland, Colonialism, and the Unfinished Revolution" by Robbie McVeigh and Bill Rolston? it's my next reading and I've heared it's pretty good specially from a marxist perspective
@@PC42190 haven't gotten around to reading it myself but yes I've heard good things about it. You've hinted at this already yourself with your mention of Marxism, my advice would be to keep in mind their analysis comes from a post colonialist perspective and with that comes a particular type of lens through which they view past events. It doesn't mean the work is necessarily wrong, but in historical academia there's a skepticism when it comes to applying philosophical/ideological lenses prior to analysis as many believe that it leads to applying incorrect understanding and/or meaning to events. This documentary is a great example of this. He takes an extreme postcolonial interpretation of events and combines it with very poor historical literacy and understanding, and as a result ends up with a highly simplistic and skewed understanding of the IRA and Irish nationalism/republicanism. Read the book and look at similar works before you make your mind up. Books I've looked at on the subject and would recommend are Making Empire by Ohlmeyer, Ireland and Empire by Howe, and Westward Enterprise by Andrews, Canny, and Hair.
@@WindTurbineSyndrome thank you. It should, but it won't, because it highlights the lack of research conducted. To be honest I strongly feel this whole video is a Wikipedia job. 1 hour and 10 minutes documenting roughly 100 years of history and there are 5 listed sources; 1 is a non academic polemic, 2 others are by the same author. 1 sources is highly specific and about about murders during the Troubles, and 2 of the 5 are on 1916. How did he know so much about the war of independence, civil war, border campaign, civil rights movement, early troubles, '69 split etc? Put two and two together and in Horses case you get five. He also mentions Richard English' s book but never cites it, which is very odd if you've done the research.... Very frustrating working in the field of history and seeing content mills churn out half baked "documentaries" that misinform and make money from it.
@@Joxer123 thanks for your answer!
Being Irish there are some serious problems with this video. The SDLP and John Humme has been completely written out of the story of the civil rights movement and been replaced with the original IRA which was practically defunct by the 60s. Also the insinuation that the Irish Defence Forces were commanded by British forces at 41:45 is completely unfounded which coincides with a broader problem of completely ignoring the Republic of Ireland as if the IRA was the only Irish involved in the whole island.
I'm old enough to remember the provos laughing at anyone who joined the civil rights movement as naive, liberals.
You're correct, as an Englishmen I've found navigating the Irish conflict fraught with biased sources. When you break down the affected parties, the militant Irish faction, the post independence democratic government, Irish republic civilians, the unionist northern Irish civilians, northern Irish catholics, the British government, British civilians I can understand why.
Without considering the entirety of these parties it's hard to grasp the complexity of this conflict.
@@ThyCoryluslame saying it's to complex bro
@@RattusNorvegicuz It is complex by definition, there are many moving parts in this story, whatever your sympathies.
What got me was the constant flickering between English and British
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That's crazy. I didn't realize he was that huge, now.
He definitely deserves it.
Thanks for pointing it out, I've been here since 100kish and horses rise has been meteoric
@@onenightstandoff4905 same here! It's heartening to see (on UA-cam or all places) such demand for straightforward, well-written/delivered essays
But he nailed it from day one. Probably his past job as chef and understanding that how something looks is also a consideration for how much you will pay for certain meal..
Same. I was recommended one of his early videos by the algorithm when he was still under 100k, and I was mostly puzzled why. I'm glad I clicked on it, because I was immediately enthralled by his narration and visuals. Growth well deserved!
The erroneous interchanging of England/English and Britain/British creates an extremely poor historical narrative.
These are different terms with different meanings and in the context of Irish history, its a very important distinction.
Despite some inaccuracies as pointed out by others i really appricate this video espically coming from a yank it is always great to see people of other backgrounds taking an jnterest in irish history
Even though the terms "Britain" and "England" were originally muddled in nationalist and imperialist English/British propaganda, it's historically inaccurate to refer to Britain as "England" when discussing anything after 1707. Referring to the Acts of Union as the "English Act of Union" is confusing at best, misleading at worst. Are you referring to the 'Act of Union with Scotland' that was passed through the English parliament, or the 'Act of Union with England' that was passed through the Scottish parliament?
Discussing the Orange Order or UVF without acknowledgement of their primarily Scottish and Ulster Scot founders is also a big miss, especially amongst the repeated mislabelling of Britain in this period as "England". Scottish protestants were (and still are) among the most firebrand unionists in both Britain and Ireland.
If the subject was the Anglo-Norman invasion or Cromwell's atrocities in Ireland, then England would be an accurate label. However, everything Britain has done in Ireland since 1707 (or even further back in 1609, when James VI & I began the Plantation of Ulster) warrants a framing that acknowledges the role Scotland played in British imperialism, and the emergence of a British unionist identity that was central to Britain's colonial rule in Ireland through the 18th, 19th, and 20th centuries. Britain's crimes in Ireland were perpetrated by leading offenders from both England and Scotland, and ignoring that does a disservice to any attempt to understand Irish history and anti-colonial nationalism.
"Discussing the Orange Order or UVF without acknowledgement of their primarily Scottish and Ulster Scot founders is also a big miss, especially amongst the repeated mislabelling of Britain in this period as "England". Scottish protestants were (and still are) among the most firebrand unionists in both Britain and Ireland."
Sadly, the important historical distinctions there and between the protestant groups and english and scottish are not understood at all by the IRA fanboys.
He couldn't have been more clearly talking about the 1801 act of union.
@@isbee56 Ah, the 1800 Acts of Union. I didn't even consider that option as the term "English Act of Union" is even less applicable to acts passed through the British and Irish parliaments.
@@isbee56 It was obvious what he was trying to talk about, but he used incorrect language entirely. Those sorts of issues definitely call into question disputed claims throughout the video.
@@professorquarter I agree, my wording made me sound a lot more empassioned than i am.
Thank you very much for addressing our long and dark history in such a matter of fact and human fashion. One of the best videos on the topic i have ever seen.
Balanced and eductaional, agreed it's "one of the best"
I've been enjoying this channel and listening to your stories while I work and hey guess what you just uploaded an hour long, highly polished and informed video on my country! Awesome stuff, greetings from the wet & windy South West Coast of Ireland 🇮🇪
Ok a few major and minor mistakes in here. Overall I get the vibe that this documentary was a rushed passion project as there are some massive oversights and inaccuracies throughout. I understand you're not Irish, but at the same time if you make a documentary you need be a lot more ontop of the history and events. I will say your editing is brilliant and with greater attention to the literature out there this could have been a very solid overview of the IRAs history.
When speaking of Irish attempts to achieve self-government you seem to be confusing Sinn Féin with the Irish Parliamentary Party (IPP). The former never took seats in Westminster and was only a major political force after the 1916 Rising. The IPP stood in Westminster and sought home rule (devolved government) and actually were successful in achieving it....but WW1 broke out ans it never came to be.
The Irish Volunteers did not declare ireland an independent state. The Irish Volunteers had a major split over the question of participation in WW1. The vast majority of the force followed the lead of John Redmond (IPP leader) and joined the British Army, believing it would assist with the home rule movement. They were never forced by the British government to do so as you incorrectly state. A small fraction of the Volunteers remained in Ireland and were under the leadership of Eoin MacNeill. An even smaller fraction of this group that remained in ireland participanted in the 1916 Rising after a false document stated MacNeill ordered it. MacNeill found out about this document and succeeded in stopping all but 1,000 Volunteers from participating in the rising.
There was no such thing as the "Irish Volunteer Force Declaration of Independence", it was simply the Proclamation of the Republic, which was written and signed by the military council of the Irish Republican Brotherhood (IRB). To be honest its a massive oversight that you never mentioned the IRB when in reality they were the organisation that instigated the rising and brought together members of the various armed groups (Volunteers, Irish Citizen Army, etc) that took part in the fighting. You overstate the power and role of the Volunteers throughout the video when in reality they were pretty much just manpower to be used by the brains of the operation in the IRB.
The Easter Rising in itself didnt galvanise a movement for independence amongst the Irish population. The rising was initially received by the citizens extremely poorly, with them being extremely angered by the destruction of the city and the deaths of civilians (mire civilians died that British army or irish rebel forces). It was only with the execution of the leaders that popular support for independence was sparked.
Again on Sinn Féin and there role in republicanism. The 1916 Rising was mistakenly referred to as the "Sinn Féin Rising" by the papers, with members and their leader, Arthur Griffith, being imprisoned even though they had no role in the rising. The Dáil of 1919 (the breakaway Irish parliament) was actually highly functional and not just a symbolic act. A large aspect of the success during the war of independence was the act of ignoring British civil and political systems, with the Dáil courts being adopted by many citizens to settle legal problems.
Small point so not a biggie, the volunteers were not initially the armed wing of sinn féin, rather, they had the same priorities and objectives. The actual outbreak of the war of independence was due to a number of volunteers acting against the ruilings of the Dáil to operate on a non violent basis, with them carrying out an ambush on Royal Irish Constabulary (RIC) police officers and killing them at Soloheadbeg. Only during the war did the Volunteers/IRA fall under closer control of the parliament.
A bit strong saying the Dáil was destroyed after the treaty. The Dáil remained but a Governor General representing the King replaced the president role that was used during the War of independence.
It is so so very wrong to insinuate that the wolfe tone societies and IRA started the civil rights movement. The civil rights movement operated as an umbrella with all kinds of nationalists, republicans, militants, pacifists, and Protestants seeking to end discrimination against Catholics. John Hume and Bernadette Devlin were key figures in this movement, much much more so than Gouldling and the IRA, and should be mentioned.
As an Irish person I have to say that it is deeply wrong and offensive to claim the civil rights movement was in any way at fault for the Troubles. The civil rights movement did not "spin out of control", it was wholly peaceful and campaigned for equal rights. The sectarian Northern Ireland state and it's apparatus cracked down with violence upon protestors.
You say "Royal Forces" and "Royal Police". This is a bit confusing considering the British monarchy and all that. The Royal Ulster Constabulary or RUC should be used instead.
The IRA split of 1969 was not really a political vs militant strategy dispute, it was a split over in the influence of marxist leninist ideology and its connections to other socialist/communist insurgencies, as well as the policy of abstentionism from the Irish Dáil. The Provisional IRA were more broad church/conservative and wanted to continue to abstain, whilst the Official IRA wanted to partake in politics and put forward a socialist front. Whilst the Officials were more open to peaceful routes, both organisations were violent.
The Provisional IRA were not hard leftists, they were loosely ideologically socialist. The Official IRA were hardleftists.
You use the term Loyalist very loosely. Refering to the British Army and the RUC as loyalist is correct in the sense that they were pro Uk and pro Northern Ireland, but not in the true sense of the term. Loyalist is used to refer to more militant forms of unionist expression by civilians and paramilitary groups.
The Provisional IRA didnt abandon political means after Bloody Sunday as they had been solely commited to violent means so there were no peaceful means to abandon!!!! They split with the Officials due to their overly political outlook that the Provisionals thought detracted from the armed struggle. Only in '81 did the "armalite and ballet box" policy of militant and political policy come to the forefront of Provisional strategy.
Airey Neave was not the leader of the Conservative Party, he was shadow secretary of state for Northern Ireland. Margaret Thatcher, one of the most famous British Prime ministers of all time was the conservative leader at the time. I'm sorry but how can you not know this and try to make a comprehensive video about the IRA?
In discussing the involvement of the USA you seem to conflate the IRA and Republicans with the Irish State. The British did not cut off of Ireland. Whilst in the early years of the Troubles they would not allow the Irish government to get involved in mediating or ending the conflict, since the early 70s the Irish and British governments met routinely to pave a way forward and end the violence. The Irish state was in no way acting alongside the IRA, it routinely was at odds against it.
The European Union did not give london a "more integrated role" in Ireland. Whilst they remained irelands main trading partner, the joining of the EU actually brought about the begining of a movement away from the United Kingdom, with Ireland becoming less solely reliant on its neighbour for economic improvement.
Sinn Féin did play a part in bringing about the Good Friday Agreement, but again you need to acknowledge the role of the Social Democratic Labour Party in the process. They were the most popular nationalist party at the time and dwarfed Sinn Féins political support.
Not really an inaccuracy, but saying Sinn Féin have significant support is an understatement. They are the largest party in the Irish State and will likely be the major party in the next government. More significantly they are the largest party in the Northern Ireland Assemy (devolved parliament of Northern Ireland) and are the first nationalist/republican party to elect a First Minister and be the largest party in Northern Ireland.
Ok I'm after noticing the referral to the Parachute regiment/Paras as "the parachutes" and the mention of the mythical "British commanded Irish Army".
Please do some actual research instead of pumping out poorly constructed narratives that you've come up with off the top of your head.
He's an American. The bastardisation of every other nation's history and culture is what they do. What did you expect?
Great stuff man fair play very informative
@@CaptainKaos420 cheers 👍
Thank you for this!
This was a fantastically made video that was patient with both side's arguments and stating fact rather than bias.Thank you from a very pleased Derry woman 🇮🇪
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what are you talking about ireland was NEVER EVER one island only a shower of bandets beating 7 sheads out of each other ever since we came here
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ONE ISLAND, TWO NATIONS. Peace...🕊
@@nowisthetime6093 sorry bit there NEVER was one UNIETED ireland and down the taouwants og years of irish history they ceternaly WASS NO PEACE
@@nowisthetime6093from the British Raj, to British America, from China to Africa, surely we have shown that governance without the agency people of the country imparts suffering onto the proletariat? Once again we do the same, with Brexit and now the borders lie in disarray. Perhaps we should not ignore the voices of the people whose lives are at stake.
Glad i got to watch through the original before the take down. I'll watch through, like, and comment on this one as well to get the algorithm going for it!
Well aren't you obedient.
@@CraigStCyrPlus support art you like
What was removed from the video?
@@WarlordEnthusiast Like he said, generally a lot of BBC videos that were made about the situation from the time it was happening. It added a lot of context to the mentality of the people during the time the events happened.
@@Otyrr Ah I should have guessed I'd be the BBC taking the piss
It's finally here!
Thanks Michael... Good to meet your face! It contains a fantastic brain, I must say 👍
*Hooray 4* 🐎🐎🐎🐎
One of the greatest youtubers. I really appreciate that you have posted your videos in audioform on spotify. Thank you
Great video bro..as a journalism major, and being part Irish, I appreciate your attention to detail and your non biased approach to this subject. You deserve to be a huge youtuber!
35:35 “the republicans engaged exclusively in urban guerilla warfare”.
That’s simply incorrect, most of the heaviest fighting in the war was in Armagh, which is not an urban county at all, the Brits called it Bandit Country and lost the majority of their soldiers there, these engagements were in fields and wooded areas as well as small towns, it got so bad that the Brits would only travel by helicopter to avoid being ambushed on the roads.
The IRA would then attempt to shoot their helicopters down, successfully on several occasions.
Before the peace agreements the IRA actually acquired SAMs.
The most deadly engagement for the Brits in the conflict was in another rural area, not an urban centre, the Narrow Water ambush in County Down right on the border, where they were hit with IEDs and mortars, along with intense rifle and machine gun fire and had a helicopter damaged, they lost 18 killed and more than 20 wounded.
I appreciate the effort you’ve gone into in this video but every few minutes I notice something you’ve gotten wrong or aren’t giving enough information on and it bugs me lol.
Narrow water isn’t in Louth it’s in Down. There was also no gun battle and no helicopter
@carefulnow6229 you beat me too it.
@@carefulnow6229 There were several helicopters that day, a Wessex was damaged by an explosion while escorting British wounded, the Provos were trying to destroy it but weren’t successful.
British soldiers as well as other witnesses reported being fired on after the IED’s were detonated and returning fire, they hit two civilians across the border during this exchange.
One could argue though that the Brits claimed they were returning fire to cover themselves like they usually did though.
And sorry that was my mistake, it was in County Down you’re right.
Narrow Water.
I'm sorry but what exactly do you mean "mortars" the PIRA didn't use any mortars during that ambush at Warrenpoint.... where exactly are you getting your information from
This is can be a hard subject to broach growing up with the tail-end of the civilian bombing campaign from the IRA, however I often challenge myself to confront it and appreciate the take with due consideration to your moral position on the issue and sympathies.
My personal opinion is simply this. Past transgressions and history aside, this cannot be changed, the future of Northern Ireland should be left in the hands of the Northern Irish people. For a unified Ireland or not.
A couple of points, it's easily done though incorrect, the use of 'English' in place of 'British' to describe the British government. Also the Parachute Regiment are colloquially known as simply 'The Paras' particularly in this context.
Cheers
Brits out
'civilian bombing campaign' is not quite correct though is it? It's charged an propagandised language and is bad faith. Not excusing the bombing at all it is clear and obvious by their actions the bombing campaigns by the IRA were not targeting civilians but an attempt at targeting economic centres. If their aim was killing as many civilians as possible, phoning ahead warnings to evacuate would be a really stupid thing to do.
@@YoungDefiant369black In...
@@Lala-kc2fw yes
@@YoungDefiant369 silly Billy.
My greatest gripe is how little mentions names of such influential leaders like Padraic Pierce, James Connolly, Micheal Collins just to name a few who carry modern influence to this day.
Padraig Pearse*
Good lord Michael that is so much extra work. Glad to get it back in any form though, keep on truckin.
Sorry you had to re-do the video a bunch of times. I know how that feels. Glad it still came out as good as this, though. Excellent use of music in this, too.
... and I'm not gonna condemn the IRA either...
Never
@@seanohare5488 Clover hat
So glad to see you managed to get this up on youtube, even if you probably had to omitt stuff in order to do so.
love your content! as an irish man I really appreciate this video!
Absolutely love your videos. I think you’re one of the best essayists on UA-cam. And thank you for covering this topic, being a prodigal descendant of Ireland meant a lot of pain (though removed) for my family during the Troubles. Having been fortunate enough to visit Ireland recently and to see the country healing was a joy.
Holy shit, I just realized you have nearly 800k. I subscribed a few months ago where you had "not even" 100k? Congrats on that man! Well deserved!
As an Irishman, and long time fan of this channel, I want to commend you on your refreshingly measured and balanced perspective on this troubled era of our nation's history.
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I would have added in the Irish Citizen's Army in 1916, as James Connolly was the socialist leader that wrote most of the Irish Volunteer Constitution. This is important because most of the post WW2 movements would have socialist ideals ingrained into the concept of the volunteers, not just nationalism itself. And while the Irish Civil War is a topic that would deserve a video of its own, you cannot really just skip over Éamon de Valera's anti-treaty stance. And he is the the one that got Southern Ireland out of the commonwealth altogether, so that made the IRA within Ireland to be viewed as obsolete. I would also mention in the 1930s that there was a left wing and right wing split, with the Blue Shirts being largely nationalist, while the left wing would have supported socialist movements.
I would also would have brought up the so called Official Irish Republican Army that was more pro-Soviet and thus one the reasons it was less popular than the Provos.
The Blueshirts were largely fascist. A form of nationalism, and an Irish form at that, but not to be confused with general Irish nationalism, which has always been liberation focused. And certainly not to be confused with Irish Republicanism, which has always been "to the left", be it the United Irishmen, the Fenians and IRB, the IV & ICA, IRA, PIRA, N/CIRA, etc.
So they were based @@vonbeedle554
The Bishops blessed the blue shirts who then then sailed to Spain under the Swastika flying German ships to fight for Franco.
Thank you for the amazing videos you make. I’ve been following you for a while and Ive really enjoyed seeing your channel grow and get the recognition it deserves. Happy to finally “meet” you and put a face on those deep thoughts! Keep up the good work💛
I can remember "Bobby Sands Slimmer of the Year 1981" t-shirts being worn in the Glasgow area.
I partied with Sands' nephew in Mayo back in 2002. Everybody confirmed his claim.
Bobby Sands is a true Irish Hero
@@janejones8672 He is a dead copraphiliac
I love how all of horses videos make me eager to read up on new subjects with measured skepticism leveled at the perspectives from which these stories have been documented. I found school always seemed to lack the bite and complexity expected of political, and idealogical struggles. Thank god we can research such subjects with comparative ease since the proliferation of the interne.
Fantastic video - I recently covered this topic too, but in far less depth. Hope this takes off
fantastic videos you got ❤
What do you think of the last message though? I want to hear your thoughts of how those on sidelands shouldn't criticize military groups because they are oppressed ?
thank you for the insightful commentary! I have been trying to do research about this topic lately and have found it difficult to access reliable and detailed resources, so please know how much I appreciate your work here :)
Thank you for your work, I love your content and always look forward to the next installment.
Heres a comment for comment reasons. Great work as always brother! Keep on keepin' on
Great to see how well this channel is doing. If I remember correctly the first video I saw was from a time where it wasn't even called horses.
I am blown away with your progress. Your videos are with no doubt the most interesting. Your voice is so calming.
You’re really gifted at story telling
I feel I actually love your brain.
Thank you
I have a few criticisms of the video, although overall I think it's a good one, and I'm sorry UA-cam gave it such hell. I love the presentation.
Apologies for the text wall!
Nobody's gonna get persuaded of anything by my UA-cam comment, but I'd like to encourage people to do more research into the fascinating history.
I get you mainly want to talk about the Revolutionary Period, and condensing any 400-year history for context is always difficult.
But wouldn't it at least be worth mentioning that the history's not 400 but 800 years since the first Anglo-Norman invasion?
You could only talk about events from the 1600s on without implying England wasn't trying to conquer Ireland for centuries beforehand.
To your credit, you cite mismanagement by the British as a cause of the Great Hunger. It might be more clear-cut than this, even simplified for the sake of a brief mention.
Black '47 was a deliberate act of man-made famine by the UK government of Robert Peel. The Wikipedia article alone's description of the genocide debate is a battleground, but judging by the actions of the government, there was a deliberate effort to cause and exacerbate such hideous mass death that the population still hasn't recovered.
(For example, when the Ottoman Sultan attempted to send humanitarian aid, the British blockaded Ireland with the Royal Navy, and the Turkish fleet resorted to smuggling.
The British exported grain during the famine, just as they did in Bengal a century later.)
Skipping to the Easter Rising, it can't be overstated how much its defeat killed much of Ireland's left wing. James Connolly and most of the other leaders of the failed revolution included communists and anarchists.
(To crush the Easter Rising, the British actually sailed a damn gunboat into Dublin Harbour and fired shells at the city, the Muirchu.)
Also worth noting is that the assertion that the IVF were not interested in any side of the war isn't quite true. The Declaration of the Irish Republic makes reference to the German Empire as a "gallant ally abroad."
In the 1969 Civil Rights Riots, the police didn't just use water cannons and batons.
They used two armoured cars equipped with heavy machine guns to fire into houses, murdering 9-year-old Patrick Rooney, as witnessed by journalist Max Hastings. I think you attributed this to the British Army? Don't get me wrong, they killed kids as well, but Rooney was shot by the DUP police.
They also got unionist paramilitary thugs to do their dirty work with sticks and dustbin lids.
You mentioned the Provos didn't deal drugs - true, and also they engaged in brutal vigilantism against drug dealers.
That is a wobbly history of the orange order right there. Plus about 9:20 "the British demanded" the Irish nationalists fight for them. Except there was no conscription in Ireland. They didn't dare.
Was this your first YT page? You seem to do this really well m8! Keep it up, best channel on the platform
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You are the first UA-camr I have genuinely considered being a patron for
im glad your channel is still called horses 🐎 enjoying this one a lot so far.
Great video fotage, editing and narration. I have only one gripe, when you tell the sory of the Mountbatten assasination you refer to the 3 others killed in the blast as "people" and not his grandson and inlaws.
Well their deaths were not the only ones killed that year in 1979 the war in northern Ireland was hot and heavy then that's the context hundreds killed that year
As a Palestinian from a Chilean diaspora my heart will always be with the Irish.
we understand the pain of occupation. nothing compares to what is happening right now in gaza though.
the standing ovations for netanyahu in the US congress made me sick to my stomach.
@@Boxhemia Chile too in Pinochet was a tyrant
oh dear lord finally you were able to upload this. thank you
Most underrated channel on all of UA-cam. Been here since the start, thank the Algorithm. Here's to a million, my dude!
I really enjoyed the video. I hope you keep making videos.
You’re my favourite creator on UA-cam, and as an Irishman, I’m glad your spreading our story
Just a quick correction, it was the Irish Parliamentary Party that pushed Home Rule, not Sinn Féin. At the time Sinn Féin was a minority party that was originally Dual Monarchist like that of Austria Hungary, it was not until after 1916 that Sinn Féin would become popular as they incorrectly got associated with the rebellion.
Another note is that the million immigrated isnt entirely accurate, Irish immigrants had to leave the country via "coffin ships" during the famine, as you can guess from their title survival wasnt guaranteed or even likely, although it is hard if not impossible to garner an accurate ratio of immigrants that survived vs died, it is safe to say the several hundreds of thousands of those "immigrated" were infact part of the death tally
Not only a new horses video but it's about Irish history? YEOOO
As a student of history from Ireland I didn't expect much from this but am pleasantly surprised by the well informed story told here. It's a lot to cram into an hour but you did a good job
British including wales and Scotland not just England. Blame falls on the rich ruling class of Britain not in my opinion the working class who were treated as bad as the Irish. working class unite and fight together for freedom ✌️🇮🇪
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@@RobertMcQuillan-my3du they weren't treated as bad as the Irish people in the north, we had internment without trial, curfews, military bases and a bigoted police force to put it lightly
@@jackietreehorn5561 true my dad's a Roman Catholic from South Armagh and I hate the British army for the treatment he received
@@RobertMcQuillan-my3du very true...where in SA is he from?
@@jackietreehorn5561 forkhill you know it?
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Thank you for doing this horses.
I have been looking for this exact thing on UA-cam for years.
Nice to put a face to the voice mate excited for your work to continue. If you got in trouble then you are doing something right my friend
just saw a pira video a couple of days ago and now this from one of my favorite channels.
Let's get that algorithm bumping!
You skipped over a few important details but still a very interesting video
Oh shit, are you feelin it?
I mostly listen to your videos when I go to the gym so I have something to think about instead of the 20 pound weight in my hand. I think your voice is so soothing. While your videos are not loud, technically, they give me something to think about, well, loudly, if that makes sense.
The music accompanying these videos creates the perfect ambience, after i watch them i fall asleep to them later on.
I never thought i'd hear the Horses guy mention Cov in a video but I appreciate it
U have no idea how amazing and insightful your videos are... Thank you for spreading the truth.
Greeting from Czechia also a former “colony” of either Austria, Germany or the Soviets. We or atleast I love Irish culture and history
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as A northern Irish person, I think this is a pretty good video!
the videos you put out are incredible!! narration is great, information is succinct and easy to understand and the visuals are eyecatching! great work 🩷
Rewatched this and it’s such a great video. My grandad grew up during the troubles, fought against the British occupation and went on to be a peace keeper in Palestine - he’s not around anymore, but I can’t imagine he’d be happy to see the current state of the world.
Someday Ireland and all other nations will be free from oppression from England inshallah
Some day soon brother
The way you conflate "English" & "British" throughout this video erases the role of Scots in the colonisation of Ulster, which seems like a huge omission since the majority of protestant settlers in Northern Ireland originated in Scotland. Not to mention all the sectarian orange marches that continue to plague cities and towns in Scotland in the modern day. It lets scots colonists off the hook by laying the blame exclusively with England
@@TheNoSuchThingPodcast What an exceptionally irrelevant point, I'd bet nearly any modern white european person has Catholic ancestors. The Irish were once pagans, now they're christian, the irony
@@TheNoSuchThingPodcast if you think that maybe you shouldn't be talking about the Irish history.
Actually they were Borderers came from both from southern Scotland and nothern England- there were also Welsh, Dutch, and Highlanders that fought and settled Ulster (the 6, not the 9) - ironic that you criticize him, but are also wrong.
Borderers were and are some of the fiercest fighters the same that settled and exolored the southern Highlands and Appllacians through the West.
The ones brought in by the governor of Pennsylvania to fight Indians on their weatern border it safe for their citizens.
The same ones that led the 1798 Irish Rebellion. The same ones who hold many world strongman and powerlifting records in current day.
There are FAR more Ulster-Scots Scots-Irish throughout the world than Catholic Irish today.
Let them off the hook for what? Being skilled warfighters ?
Even my IRA girl with the IRA family whose Aunt and Uncle's funerals were saluted with rifles fired in formation by old IRA men from the South, just in the past 3-4 years, and whose house was regularly rauded by the RUC and Army searching for hodden men and/or weapons during the Troubles- and whose cousin leads a Dissident faction in city 45 minutes north of her in Mid-Ulster to this day knows this- why dont you?
This sounds like Plastic Paddy shtt.
The Scots would have not been under the British empire were it not for the union of the crowns though. So 'British' does account for 'Scottish' in this instance.
@@porridgeramen7220 you're totally right there. It just bothered me that this video wrote Scots out of Irish history, the existence of Ulster Scots isn't mentioned once, and I think that a presumably American (or just generally uninformed) audience would walk away with the impression that the English were the only ones who did anything wrong.
And as much as I enjoyed listening to Margaret Thatcher being described as The English Prime Minister, it came off more as ignorance that the UK isn't just England yet than a commentary on Thatcher's complete lack of support in Scotland.
I personally believe that this is simply more evidence of the fact that we can blame everything on the British.
I must say, I applaud this video and by extension, it's creator.
Viewing this from a purely factual standpoint, covering what you deemed considerably to be the pressingly important moments with-in the relative history and to do so with neither an implicit support nor opposition to said facts even when one may arguably justify it, but rather simply a summation of said facts.
I can give nothing short of a well deserved "Bravo!", especially given the severe rarity of such methods of Historical telling's that many have to endure by current... standards, or lack there of.
Well done.
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incredible video. brilliant visuals and very informative. i feel like i completely understood everything you said despite the complex nature of the topic, thank you
*No one should demand from those who are oppressed that they should continue being oppressed to stay legitimate and valid*
I wish that I was able to support you financially but as it is not possible for me, I want to let you know that your work is very important and appreciated. You have a unique voice and your reflections on the topics you choose, contribute to stimulate conversations that we need to have in order to further a better understanding of the world and the people in it. You sir are truly making a difference and I hope that you will be able to continue creating your art for years to come. ❤
The bit about Catholics and Protestants being pitted against one another at the working class level (and elsewhere, but I’m focused on them specifically for this point) in order to divide and distract the Irish people from meaningful progress towards independence overall is so poignant when you look at American history and the histories of many, many nations. Heck, look what’s happening today! While the elite (which nowadays is more so corporations than governments imo, simply because corporations have bought their way firmly in to politics and every fabric of government period) continue hoarding wealth and creating policies to protect their interests at the expense of literally everyone/everything else, they’ve got working class people fighting over dumb shit. Literal nonsense, “culture wars” over topics that every individual deserves their opinion on and the right to live how THEY choose. Everything else is lip service aimed at enraging one side against the other, while at the exact same time the corporations shove price increases down our throats due to inflation they created. They gobble up single family homes across the country (and likely world), where Private Equity slowly continue operating as massive landlords instead of taking their vast wealth and finding ways to boost homeownership (which in turn boosts the economy overall). On and on it goes. You want to worry about pronouns instead of economic r*pe? Fine, that’s your right. But don’t bitch and moan when the cowards in politics and the scumbags in business steal from you, help you look for what they stole, and then sell you your own shit back at an unreasonable markup. Yep, worry about about the brown family moving in the neighborhood instead 🤷♂️.
I've known about Ireland's struggle for so long but was too busy caring for WW2 history to give some time to educate myself on it thanks for opening the door for me.
Thank you for your thoughtful covering of this very sensible topic. Your closing lines were very touching. 10/10 can only recommend!
As a huge fan of your videos and someone from Ireland, its so exciting to see this and even better to realise you have really done the work and presented it as well as ever. Go raibh maith agat !
There's a lot of inaccuracies in this video. Pretty sloppy research must have been done
Would you care to elaborate? Genuinely curious?
Quite a few weird things like saying the Orange Order were the colonial ruling class of Ireland. They were a tool of the ruling class for sure, but mainly based in the North and recruiting from among working-class Protestants. The colonial ruling class is more often called the 'Protestant Ascendancy'.
Also the bit about the British 'shooting a disabled man tied to a chair'. This refers to James Connolly's execution, but you wouldn't know that from the doc and its just a bit misleading. Idk why you wouldn't name him, he's one of the most internationally famous Irish rebels. From the doc you would think they just killed some random disabled person, not the main military commander of the uprising who was wounded in the fighting.
Additionally the Easter Rising wasn't planned by the Irish Volunteers, but by the secret Irish Republican Brotherhood, which is not even mentioned.
And the implication that the IRA 'supported Hitler' isn't accurate either. Some did sure, but the movement was totally fragmented at this time. In reality, most supporters of fascism were on the pro-treaty side of the Civil War and in the Free State Govt, and most anti-treatyites were left-wing, some of them even communists. This, plus the whole civil war is mostly just skipped over.
There's maybe a few other bits, and it gets better in the Troubles-era content. Still, as someone who has studied the subject, it doesn't seem like very thorough research has been done.@@turinmiso8206
Yeah like he hasn’t mentioned anything to do with the boundary commission, the Anglo-Irish trade war (1932-38), Eamon de Valera’s efforts which eventually formed the Republic of Ireland in 1949, the Fascist Blueshirt movement of the ‘30s and other things which were important in between the Irish War of Independence and the Troubles. Also for during the Troubles, he doesn’t really go into the Official IRA and the Offo-Provo split in the OIRA and PIRA which was actually very hostile. Yes I’d probably get more things wrong with these topics but I’d still attempt to go into detail with them. Like I might get some dates wrong (such as the Official IRA ceasefire being in 1972 which I think is accurate but may be entirely false) but I’d rather put the effort in and be corrected than not mention these things at all.
Yeah I appreciate more light being shone on our dark history but the way he skipped over the famine and that the British caused it kind of rubbed me the wrong way. The horrors of our colonisation being skipped was a bit strange considering how interesting it is.
@nehvjones4850 yes, I'm very curious as to why he left out that the famine was a man-made disaster by the british
I just read "Say Nothing" and this was a perfect backdrop to shade in the areas he didn't cover.
Excellent book
So lovely to get such a nuanced and well researched video about this delicate part of Irish history. Thank you, I'm sure it took ages to make.
Grew up in the Troubles. Was no picnic. Great job sire
Peculiar as an Irish person to watch a long form documentary by a foreigner on a conflict in Ireland, thankfully things have changed alot in Ireland now and violence is rare.
And a clueless bias one anall..
Very enjoyable and informative video. But you have to understand that feelings about the troubles run unimaginably deep in Britain and Ireland, and so while any stand against oppression is noble, you have to be weary of painting an overly romanticised view of the IRA. For example, 2 others killed alongside Mountbatten you mentioned were children.
Either way, I’m a big fan of your channel after discovering it recently
This guy doesn’t know the difference between “England” / English” and “Britain” / British”. Keeps using them interchangeably. It’s quite jarring, and makes this doc lose credibility a bit. For most of the time periods talked about here, it was the British government that was ruling over Ireland. There hasn’t been an English parliament since 1707.
The history of Ireland is brutal, and their fight for freedom is an important story that should be told more often. But please get the basics right when you’re telling it.
agreed, it really shifts the narrative of this whole video, but I assume it's just American ignorance
@@hb3393 it’s ok to be ignorant on a topic, but he shouldn’t be making documentaries about it if that’s the case. I’ve noticed things few times with Americans making “documentaries” about the U.K. or Ireland
I just read a new book called Ireland, Colonialism and the Unfinished Revolution published by Haymarket books that was worth checking out
You probably should've mentioned Ireland (the republic) fully seceeded from the UK rule in 1937.
EIRE FOREVER 💚🇮🇪💚
A well put together timeline of English Problem. Also a respectful summary. Well done.
I liked the documentary overall but I found your conclusions at the end a bit odd. We have every right to judge a movement if that movement is engaging in terrorist activities which led to the deaths of hundreds of innocent people. I doubt the families of the people who died in the bombings and shootings would agree that we shouldn’t judge the methods of their murderers just because it’s not our country. And it’s not through these terroristic methods, but through compromise and negotiation that the Good Friday Agreement and a lasting peace has even come about in Northern Ireland. A united Ireland will likely come about through the democratic process and not through armed conflict.
Where is ur compassion for the starved million people and all the deaths on their side or the political prosecution that led to the violence and prevented the democratic process to happen. Urs is a very shallow and one sided view of how history happens.
@@cumulonimbus432 I would say the same about you. I don’t think any kind of political struggle no matter how correct it’s moral stance is justified in shooting and blowing to pieces innocent people. Sorry.
@@liamcragin u conveniently ignore that the democratic process was not possible and people on their side were abused, starved and killed for hundreds of years with the intention to delete their culture.
No anticolinial liberation movement has succeeded without some sort of armed struggle...
And that's not because subjugated people are inherently violent, that's because their oppressors wouldn't listen or would even meet their nonviolent protests with mass killings.
So yes, while it's sad for every civilian that died in all of this, the blood is entirely on Britain's hands.
It's the same story over and over again: Haiti, algeria, South Africa, Palestine and so many more.
@@linesofcoke you’re acting like there’s no such thing as tactics or strategy. I’m not a pacifist but it’s possible to fight a war without purposefully targeting civilians. Also I would look up Indian independence and eventually South African which moved from violence to non-violence. Also Northern Ireland is an exceptional case as the majority of the people there were Unionists so you weren’t just fighting an “imperialist” occupier you were also fighting a majority of people in the province who wanted to remain part of the United Kingdom, so it’s not the case of a unified nation of colonized people fighting against their colonizers, it’s a case of two political and religious groups fighting against each other. My guess is the province would already be turned back to the Irish Republic, probably back in 1923, if it weren’t for the Protestant Unionists wanting to stay part of the UK.
Amazing video as always, I certainly appreciate the variety of subjects most if not all of which I find incredibly amusing and informing. Keep up the great work 🙌🏻