Why Isn't It Worth It To Buy Aftermath? A Magic: The Gathering Product Review
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Prof, where are the meaningful reprints for ixalan cards that are staples of commander?, inmortal sun, zacama. Wotc has watered down reprint sets enough that a meaningful reprint is less meaningful than before
Intro: Why MAT was dead on arrival
Rest of the video: Why MAT deserves to be dead on arrival
@@Greg501- I think it actually doesn't deserve to be a dead set, but it is also kinda overpriced, in spite of having 5 cards, none are common, but full price is too much, 3-4 wouldnhave sufficed
i dunno i play arena and i bought 100 bucks worth of aftermath got 4 of every card but 5-6 and there are a lot of fun cards in this set also helped me collect a bunch of march of the machines because those cards are inside the same packs and also filled my vault 80% so i cashed it in and got another 27% towards the next fill up it also gave me 20 mythic wild cards 30 rare 35 uncommon and 40 common totally worth it on arena and i did get a few rare dupes which turned into gems that i used on more packs from march of the machines i would say at least for arena totally worth it
@@slaytronic Arena did it right
*Lists good reasons to not buy Afternath*
Prof: But wait, there's more!
You know what’s funny? For once, Arena gets more cards in a pack than IRL players.
And in those packs, you get more cards from MOM than Aftermath...
They could give you a million card pack on Arena and you'd still be getting 0 cards cause those cards aren't real. Once the game shuts down you've spent real money for nothing. Once magic shuts down you can still play it with real cards.
@@pascalsimioli6777 It's a game bro, just let people play what they want.
@@pascalsimioli6777 I've never spent real money on Arena, so that's that.
@Pascal Simioli why don't you play with some bitches 🤦🏾♂️
I hope that the Pinkertons are mentioned as a downside of every product from here to eternity.
i second that,this needs to become the headphone jack of card games
So shall it be...
John Marston would agree.
I nope not, and not becuase I want anyone to forgive or forget the incident, but because it has already become a worn-out lazy comment.
That and fake cards for $999
That Tolarian Contempt 😂
Imagine THIS being the set you call in the Pinkertons over
Well, if the product had been exciting then a leak doesn't really do much - in fact might create more hype.
However, when the product is garbage, that's when it's necessary to hold information close to the chest so that it's too late for purchasers to back out. The issue here was that the leaks lead to a great deal of cancellations and price drops. People saw the guy opening copies on copies of the same cards and were like, 'no thanks'. That's what WOTC tried to bottle up.
It makes complete sense. WotC KNEW it was a stinker and they guy showed how much of a stinker it was in time for everyone to cancel their preorders. It cost them a lot of money.
Imagine sending Pinkertons over some cardboard at all.
Anyone else want to talk about those 3 deifications in one pack??? Is the algorithm that puts cards in packs just getting lazy? What in the FRESH HECK
1 of every version to, I had a good laugh at that
i finished reading this comment and scrolled back up to the video, just as prof laid out all the deifications
Truly a pack blessed by god
lmao i was like "wow a 5 card, $20 booster and he pulled 2 copies of a middling rare..." then he pulled the third and I just started laughing
My suspicion for things like that is when there slots for different treatments the collation is close enough they line up a fair amount and you end with duplicates of the same card in a pack.
Great if it's something good depressing when it sucks.
The decline of WotC is like hearing worse and and worse news about an old friend struggling with an addiction.
I think you put it best
💯 been playing this game from nearly the beginning.
And to think WotC isn't even the worst. I'm _never_ gonna' forgive Games Workshop for that "let's treat all our most longtime players like racist three-year-olds and throw them under the bus for social media clout" stunt.
For some of us, it's worse; someone we're codependent with that's breaking down.
@@draketheduelist When did that happen? When they told the entire community that being racist is not ok?
Oh no, racists were offended!
7:40 The placement of the Tolarian Contempt dead center is poetic.
Man you know it's been a wild ride when Prof. starts out the video with "Okay listen I know this sucks for like 6 other reasons but I only have time to get into one of them here."
Don't worry, paper brawl isn't real, it can't harm you. Lol I died
It's right up there with "Rhinos are free. Games Workshop doesn't want you to know this." in terms of content creator one liners.
I miss paper Brawl :(
Besides that one episode of the Command Zone, who ever played paper Brawl?
@@narkfly:((((
@@amberhernandez my play group used the packs from this new set with all the commons from the previous set to draft a Brawl deck. We had a blast and it was a very even fight down to the last turn.
Normally I dislike beating a joke to death, but I hope until the end of time we will continue to see Pinkerton references every time wotc tries to market a new product
The thing is, it's not even a joke
What about it is a joke? It was an egregious act that should had never happened and WOTC deserves to be reminded about it at every turn.
@@kevinclark3872 Doesn't matter one bit, if we all keep buying their products.
Certainly at least any time a nothingburger of a product like THIS is flipped.
Perhaps if so many people didn't treat it like a joke and actually treated it like a serious incident then I'd take it more seriously.
After what Wizards of the Coast did in regards to the Pinkertons, I have no interest in purchasing any future products, ever.
You'll cave in at some point
Nah, it's pretty easy to stay away. Wizards is making it easier and easier to not care about this game.
There's been plenty of cards printed in its history to continue playing. I hate this company so much I hope they go broke!
@@bobdole8830 Command+P
@@bobdole8830 if one does not want to support WotC or/and simply keep up with the barrage of new products, there are 30 years of cards available that can make it for endless possibilities of game scenarios.
Remember when they first created mythic rarity and promised "oh, this isn't a way to create chase cards that are necessary for competitive constructed play, mythic is just where we showcase the most epic, most unique, but not necessarily the best cards? And it was actually true for a while? Lol.
The first time I remember that clearly not being true was Lotus Cobra. A very boring but incredibly useful mana dork.
Now rare is just uncommon :(
Me neither
@@Stinkoman87 Goyf reprints maybe?
I really love the spellbook idea. We could've gotten the new cards themed around a plan, maybe a new or reprinted plancha card, and maybe some other reprints from that plane with new treatments. That would've been a product I'd be interested in.
Yugioh has 5 card booster packs on occasion, but they're all foil and the same price as the standard pack. And full of reprints. Not $16 like the Aftermath collector booster pack. With cards that should have been in the main set of March of the Machine.
I like to play MtG more, but I like YGO's product way more. Wizards floods the market with so many products that it's inaccessible, so the best thing is to get singles. YGO has $12 precons compared with MtG's $50+ Commander decks.
I hear all the monies wrapped up in the first edition anyways.
What about Vanguard? Heard they're also doing okay?
@@Gzilla313 And frequently the Structure Decks are filled with reprints worth at least the structure deck's price, and cool new cards to brew with.
@@DroppedMyMarbles people were getting 3 copies of the Salamangreat structure deck and winning tournaments. No one is winning locals with a Magic Precon.
Wotc needs to be punished over the pinkerton incident. Whoever came up with that idea needs to be fired.
They have ex-pinkertons that hold high up positions at wotc so I'd guess those people
That would likely be either the WotC security head or the Hasbro Securities lead- both of whom worked for the Pinkertons or their parent company previously.
no they dont
So some random jackass should go and spoil a set that's nit even spoiled yet with no repercussions?
There will be no accountability. How many stupid decisions have come out of WOTC at this point, and nobody has been fired?!
Some people say "this meeting should have been an email," but this set should have been a Secret Lair with only the story important cards.
Ok that plane package idea sounds amazing. It would be such a tight and unique product. Obviously could have a planechase card in it. Such a better execution of the """story"""
I gotta say i lost all respect for Wizards of the Coast and Hasbro. Greed has led them to do all the things he listed. They stopped caring about players completely and only care about their bottom dollar. I still love the game of magic but i despise the corporation that created this greed
💯
Luckily printing cards is cheap and as long as you don't want to go to their official tournaments, proxies are fun in always testing new funny decks
@@Dornogol or going at the bottom and getting hq counterfeits and competing.
How did it take this long for you to lose respect for them? Remember the Magic 30th Anniversary 1000 dollar proxy packs?
@@bladezxc just keep holding out, thinking they' will do the right thing. Never happens.
A little piece of History here, I used to love just opening magic cards with my friends when I was younger, and we all pitch in for a dragon's maze box. We opened it together and it was one of the most boring lackluster terrible experience week cards in a small set, you've never experienced this, we literally stopped buying boxes of magic cards after that. it's been how many years??? Just recently started buying collector booster boxes. Then Aftermath came out and I'm feeling like this is another moment where I walk away again. The secondary market is just better, but soon eBay will ruin that for us as well and I will have to find a new platform.
We had a similar thing back in the olden days with Fallen Empires, The Dark and Homelands.
First mistake is buying collectors. My play group all stopped buying product when collector packs came out. Whats the point when nothing is special anymore. Hope you and your playgroup find some enjoyment. We found it by buying singles and staying away from bloated crap like this video speaks about.
@@SiymPai Collectors' is especially risky since the foil quality is still hit or miss after all these years of us complaining about it. Bought a pretty gift bundle recently, the collector booster inside was already warped before I even opened it. Since the rare was worthless anyway, I binned the whole pack.
@@RayneOfSalt Ayup, those sets were terrible. Lots of bad cards and ugly art.
wild that you pulled three diefication in that sample pack. Really highlights how much of a gamble these packs are to crack. Definitely looking at singles for this set
Prof, that is easily the best tie you have worn and that wide knot is fantastic.
Thanks so much for the video Prof! I wasn't planing on buying, but I was worried about artificial inflation on specific cards. You explaining what happened with dragon maze really put my mind at ease. I'm still new to magic, so I don't know much about product history so it's really great to have someone around that knows what they're talking about, thanks again!
I love what feels like a physical alchemy set
This product feels like the aftermath of an uncomfortable meeting whose agenda is to choose which cards need to be cut from the March of the Machines set because the printers were overloaded with Secret Lairs.
JOKES👌!
Huh. There's a card called 'Tolarian Contempt' seen in the first Collector Booster opened. Is WotC taking a dig at The Professor for speaking truth to power?
While that would be a rather immature way of handling it, it would also be kind of on point. The Professor has been admirably pro-consumer, but lately he seems to have taken that to cartoonishly flanderized levels. It's not about "speaking truth to power", it's about the constant completely unnuanced scandalmongering and hot air. Not to mention all those times he took his platform to encourage people to buy illegal proxies instead of the official product, which is completely hypocritical, unprofessional and unjustifiable no matter which way it's attempted to be spun.
the fact that they put Aftermath on Arena as a draft that just combines it with March of the Machines cards just makes it even more obvious that these cards were supposed to be part of March of the Machines originally. They play really well together
Hell, I would love an Ikoria "spellbook"
Imagine if it came with the true Zilortha!
I might have actually considered buying the “Plane X:Aftermath” type product if WoTC had thought of that instead.
2 Pinkertons sent to harass over 1 Stinkerton of a product.
It reminds me that sending Pinkertons resulted in 15% rise of Hasbro stock's price. Imagine, how much they will earn once they do something even more outrageous!
Hey prof! Received my academic box yesterday and I love it!!! Hope you have a great day!
You can always rely on The Professor for these hard hitting commentary!
This set makes Homelands and Saviors of Kamigawa look like perfectly designed sets.
Homelands was before my time playing but damn.
Important reminder for PayPal honey, it's free because you are the product not the customer. As long as you take precautions and are okay with your data being sold, it might be a nice deal. Just keep in mind that PayPal bought this service because website can't see that you bought something, just that you browsed it, so this is an extra step to aggregate spending habits.
Don't shame channels for plugging it either, just know what you're getting into.
Honey has actually never helped me. Whenever I go to buy something it fails to find coupons, a rather worthless program.
@@Chroniclerope it seems to find coupons for the most common of the common shopping sites occasionally. Maybe marketed at older women or something? lol
That "Signature Spellbook"xAftermath idea is sooo good holy sh. They totally should have done that
@10:10 you make a good point. Perhaps with the new 3 year rotation structure they will release epilogue boosters featuring the 50 most played cards in standard. I would love to see that.
I stand by the notion that this set was developed during lockdown and their drum-beat release schedule means they never bothered to finish it.
That'd be a fun question for Maro on tumblr. "Is it true Aftermath design was never finished and the cards just had to be released in a smaller, non-draftable set to meet the deadline?"
Thank you, Professor! I enjoyed your 'best cards for commander' video as well. No MOMA boosters for me, but I ordered Karn, Nissa, and Tyvar as singles. I have Commander decks that will appreciate them.
Love your tie this episode, Prof! Looks really good! 😊
Not sure if this makes the physical product worse or not but, if you buy an Aftermath booster on Arena, you get the exact same number of cards that you normally would in a booster for the exact same cost. It's a mix of Aftermath with regular MoM cards filling it out.
That's what they should have done IRL too. Do a few runs of just March of the Machine, then after a month replace it with MOM:Aftermath, a draft booster with all the cards from MOM plus all (or at least the relevant ones) of this.
They use MOM for the commons (and multiverse legends) and MAT for the rest. I also see a draft format advertised; I assume it's the same?
The "low number of cards" booster is a space I feel is something that can work. Most boosters these days (no matter the type) is mostly chaff with the main useful cards at the rare/mythic and every so often a common. Cutting out said commons for nondraftable packs can make sense, but I feel they would have to be priced a bit less than a normal pack. That seems too generous and not soul-sucking enough for WoTC standards.
I don't know...there's always tradeoffs. I just hope something new would be actually for the players instead of just being a new trick to separate money from -suckers- customers.
I agree. Since foils are bad quality not all the common/uncommon foils in a collector booster are kinda worthless anyway. I would be down with a cheaper product that only had the slots that are potentially good.
Absolutely love the pink and teal card case!!!! Thank you!
I loved the comedic timing of that list at the beginning.
That plane pack idea sounds awesome tbh, getting a nice 8 cards displaying the aftermath for kamigawa…
I'm really digging that tie, Professor.
1 min into the video and it's already amazing! More please, I stopped buying MTG product when they went crazy with the printer but if all your video are like this, noone can stop me watching them!
This video has been definitely useful to me. Thank you for your service to our community
Buying a regular March of the Machine collector booster taught me enough already. I payed 24 euros and got 4,50 worth of cards out of it. This will just be an extra insult to injury.
I love that Prof’s voice just increases in levels of “done” energy as the video goes on.
I love the fact that you are not angered, rash, salty or anything else. You are taking the issue, examining every aspect of it, and then and only then, drawing conclusions of that.
Have a nice day, like everyone else reading this comment
I picked up 8 copies of Filter out for less than 3 bucks, just because it's an amazing card. Imagine having to buy boxes until you got just one Playset..
I remember pulling a Voice of Resurgence when that set was new. I got a bunch of good cards from trading it to a friend since I didn't play the colors especially since I am a budget player. I think that is how I got my Mycosynth Lattice.
“Oh boy, I sure do love this card game! I think I’ll make content for the community on some cards they might like!”
WotC: and I took that personally.
I love how there's just straight up a card called "Tolarian Contempt" in this set, and that you got it, and that it about sums up this video in two words.
Love your tie in this episode!
3 copies of Deification in a collector booster pack of 6 cards is absolutely insane to me
Fantastic tie, professor!
I bought 1 single from Aftermath, the green one with nissa & chandra, just because I have a "Flowers in the Art" themed commander deck and it's a new card that fits the gimmick. I thought the idea of an epilogue set was great, until I saw how wotc executed it (almost no story, very little flavour text? how is that an epilogue?) and heard that they sent the pinkertons after someone (btw, how are they not ridiculed for having a name like the villains in a d-grade spaghetti western?).
They don't just have the *name* of the villains from a Western -- they are *literally* that same company.
The biggest problem with this set is that the 50 cards have multiple treatments, meaning that the price for an individual card is going to be extremely low once enough product is opened. The regular art Nissa might be selling for $14 now but with 4 different versions of the card, it means people are 4 times more likely to open at least one version of her within collector boosters and a few times more likely in just regular boosters. That's just going to tank the price of the card since the supply will be extreme versus demand. In a regular set with only 15 mythics out of 200+ cards, the odds are a lot lower to open a specific mythic or even an alt version of said mythic, meaning the price will stay high regardless. Yeah, this is a massive fail on so many fronts. The most expensive card will probably be only a couple bucks in a week or two.
Love the tie, Prof!
Love your tie prof!!!
Professor roasting new products and WotC in general is my favorite thing about Magic at this point.
PROF, LOVE THE TIE! WHAT IS IT, AND WHERE DID YOU GET IT?
I just got myself the Kamigawa cards for my collection, Plaarg for my Ignacio/Falthis book tribal deck and Calix for my Kethis Saga deck. Everything else was.... There, indeed.
I may try to collect one of every card in Etched Foil- that card frame has always been my favorite, and it would be cool to say I have a full set of cards- but the singles are where it's at.
My local Walmart had them in stock yesterday. A regular aftermath pack was $15. Collector boosters were $25. I know bulk prices are better, but that's a huge disparity in price. Wild.
Is that why there is a red “X” on the Collector Booster Box???
The card distribution, another 20-minute video? Looking forward to it!
There’s only five cards per pack? Wtf 😆
That tie is on f’ing point Prof
none of the cards are commons is the short answer. however, as the Prof points out when you have 6 versions of the same rare card is it really rare? Also the packs contain "1-4 uncommons" but that might as well read "80% of the packs in a box contain 4 uncommons and 1 myth/rare" which was the case for the ones I opened. Not a single pack had more than 2 mythics/rares. There were several duplicate rares to boot -- in the same box.
This is your most important video in a while. Good job prof.
I have no idea what the 3 letter code is for Aftermath, but I would find it hilarious if people just started calling it PNK (for Pinkerton) just to immortalize WOTC's blatant abuse of money and power.
For some reason, my brain reads that as "Portal Nine Kingdoms" instead of "PiNKerton". But I'm probably just weird.
If you want to know, it's MAT.
Love your tie!
ya i preordered a box from my lgs, but mostly cuz i know if i didn't, it would sit on the shelf =x he got like maybe 3 people that pre-ordered and 2 of them were for collector boxes (some of the guys aren't too bright, they just see shiny and go for it :D ). I'm also one of the very few that trade in my cards to the shop (majority do direct trades with each other), so just doin my part to make sure the shop has singles on the shelf, at least a handful.
But agreed, if you don't have some very specific reasons like myself, it is 100% not worth buying sealed, better off just getting the singles you want and calling it good.
Hey guys professor hasn’t mentioned it yet on UA-cam but his deck box will be available for purchase at your LGS starting next year
ooo I really like that tie, Professor!
The only highlight I see with Aftermath is that we get Training Grounds in standard/ pioneer. It's a cool backbone of older modern/ legacy jank combos. I wish we'd get more of that!
Got so many dupes from brothers war set boosters.
Then I opened a box of draft boosters, and the collection was opened up.
Set boosters increase the chance of rares mythics, yes, but as the Prof just stated, there's several different prints for each one!
The idea of tye spell book would have been awesome!
I feel really bad for local game stores who ordered this hyped product before having any real idea that they were getting shelf warmers to be sold at a, likely, deep discount in the future.
Oof that tolarian contempt. You gotta be care with those rejection counters prof!
10:58 this idea could lead to a fun jumpstart idea too!
Thank you for this professor
I knew about the obvious claims from Reddit but this video explains a whole lot better/deeper of why aftermath popularity is gonna be similar to dragon maze
Oh definitely a couple of singles I'm getting from this while bulk price especially filter out and the scavengers and tazri
Hi Professor! In your opinion who is target audience for this set? Is it new players who entered mtg world and are missing some staples from previous sets?
That alternate idea is such a cool one. If only.
I'm keeping an eye on the price of the new Karn in Aftermath, as it's the only card I currently have interest in.
The lowest price on Cardmarket, at the time of writing, is 12 euros, but I suspect the price will drop into the single digits, which is when I will probably buy a single.
You nearly get your Deification playset with that collector booster.
I can't wait to see what decks the Professor brews from the legends within Aftermath!
That is a sweet tie!
4:28 Somehow the word "Repeation" added more emphasis to the point than the word "Repetition"
I don't hate the idea of these micro-sets inherently, but it's a shame they aren't offering enough for game stores to even sell it for even the most meager of profit.
Say what you will but I bought a bundle of aftermath and found a great new addition to my Hans Erickson deck arni metal brow
In case your not familiar with Hans Erickson, when he attacks you reveal the top card of your library if that card is a creature you put it onto the battlefield tapped and attacking and the creature must fight Hans once it enters, if you did not put the card onto the battlefield you then put the card into your hand. Arni says that when a creature you control attacks or enters the battlefield attacking you may pay 1 and a red to put a creature from your hand with lesser mana value from your hand onto the battlefield tapped and attacking.
Just a lovely combo
4:40 Tolarian Contempt is a very appropriate name for Aftermath
Hey, I really like your tie!
Ty, 4 another great class professor
I love that you are already saying that it isn't worth on the thumbnail, but sad that we are all so discontent with Hasbro and mtg, despite loving the game. I stopped spending money with mtg, I'm here just to support the professor
I’m not sure whether or not the Professor has done one, but could anyone point me in the direction of a video explaining what the process of an LGS is when it comes to the % they take when selling another companies product, such as Wizards of the Coast. I’ve always been interested to know and I’d also like to know what price point they are able to buy the product for, before official release?
Isn't this the same as literally every store in the world? They buy bulk product for X and sell for X + N%.
I’m new to the channel and I’ve heard Prof say buy singles a couple times. Tried finding a video on that topic, but didn’t find one. Does anyone know if there is such a video Prof has made, or able to explain what he means?
You know what this reminds me of? The comic book boom and crash of the 90s where they released a bunch of tat with alternate or gimmick covers in an attempt to try and procure value. While Magic won't exactly crash, it's still a bunch of junk that people are getting tired of. Wow, 5 cards that cost too much! More of that please!