Yeah those drugs are particularly strong. Even if Japan mandates lower dosages, even the smallest amount can cause side effects. Her withdrawal is going to be rough.
@@jonglopez5400All dependent on the person. The highest Ive been on with one was 100mg. We wanted to see if there was an improvement if it was paired with something else. So like 20-30mg of another. It sent my heart rate to perma +100 throughout the day, lifting stuff sent me into being winded. Talked with someone else who was on the same, she was like 300mg daily
@@jonglopez5400 Effexor (Venlafaxine) based on the typical dosages. 110 is like an average dose. The dose of antidepressant doesn't indicate severity anyways. It's more about body weight, liver drug metabolism, and how your particular brain reacts to it.
Hope she can make it. I'm on antidepressants, about 12 years? Don't plan to stop. Without, that was even before trying them, I was physically in danger. My anxiety almost killed me. I know those pills are no miracle, but sometimes, its all you have.
You actually needed motivation and encouragement for your spirit to grow again, the pills are there to prevent you from going off the deep end, but it can also prevents you from growing stronger and becoming more passionate about life.
Me too, I have a genetically predisposed chemical imbalance. I need my medication to function. I went off of them a couple years ago, and had absolutely horrible results. Getting back on them was tough, I spent my days dry heaving and feeling horrible. But now I am back on my dose and feeling great, I can actually do things. Don’t feel ashamed of having to rely on meds, so many of us do.
@@C.K.Productions Yep! I'd be dead without! Each day is a battle but I'm doing alright. I'm not ashamed. I'm proud to do what I had to. Better then end up on alcool or drugs. Also did therapy to improve!
Same. I’ve been taking mine for about 10 years. My anxiety made it so difficult to sleep and function normally and taking them made me feel normal again
I was on Lexapro for about a year... It made my pp temporarily stop working. As I was tapering off of it I would get this sensation whenever I would move my eyes rapidly... I think they commonly call it "brain zaps". Wasn't painful, really hard to describe though. Turns out I didn't have depression, I have ADHD.
the scary thing that I do not see a lot of people talk about is that when you start anti-depressants there is a period where you becomes more spontaneous and start to move around, set plans in motion, sadly that is kind of a double egged sword since you becomes more active before the part of the brain that is in charge of your rational & logic parts gets "started" (more like higher/return-to-healthy-levels-of activity) so sadly some people on anti-depressants set in motions plans to off themselves… as such there is a real need for the person that takes the pills to have friends around them which is a problem if you do not have any friends because you have suffered from depression for years, so the "anti-off" pills are ironically a potential cause of you offing yourself, hopefully kson have a lot of friends around her sure quitting the pills gradually is the way to do it but it can still be rough
every medication that is long term has side effects when quitting, even stomach medication the body gets used to it, so retiring anything that the body gets used to has side effects
I just hope she knows what she's doing and will properly wean herself off them instead of just going cold turkey, immediately stopping a medication with no fadeout period never ends well
glad kson feels ready to go off her meds! i personally am a huge fan of antidepressants, and strongly disagree with a ton of people in these comments lmao. if you personally don't want to take them, fine, but mental illness has real physical causes like a chemically imbalanced brain and antidepressants help that. it SUCKS that you have to rely on the meds or you go into withdrawal, but it's entirely a 'what matters more' type of situation.
Facts. I will be on cymbalta for an indefinite amount of time. I have a genetically predisposed chemical imbalance. I cannot function without my meds (I take others, not going to list all of that though)
I used to be on antidepressants. Tried at least 6 different antidepressants for a spam of few years and I sadly stopped because none of them honestly helped my mood long term. Currently getting therapy now and that has helped me a lot. I even got recommended one just because I was suffering with IBS pain. Funny how having an A.C.E tube lowered the pain so much.
Terrifying, terrifying substances get off of. I was once hospitalized for delusions when last trying to stop my SNRIs. I'd love to try again but I'm truly afraid my mind won't come back from it.
It makes me feel better, in a dark and twisted sort of way to know that the people that I view as having the good life still have the same issues that we little people have to deal with down in the mud. Helps to make them more relatable, I wouldn't want to watch someone who had their dream job and whose life was perfect in every other aspect as well.
Yeah, I went 4 weeks without my antidepressants once and I was sick as hell. Stomach pain and nausea constantly, could barely eat food. And I’m still on them, lot longer than 3 years.
100% of Vtubers have mental issues, the question is whether they put effort resolving them or not. This is not meant to be an insult, but it is a fact. As a VTuber fan, I always feel proud when someone admitted their issue and are resolving it. Kson is worthy to be praised.
='( i always thought this job is super stressful, stream everyday, many even in hololive had history of admitted to hospital.... maybe the industry overall need to slow down a bit...
You really need to QC your subs. 110 to 75 to 37... wait, these dose numbers seem really familiar, and not all antidepressants have the same severity in withdrawal. Perhaps I'm familiar with the drug she was on?
Might be. The percentage is probably still pretty high. I still remember how TotalBiscuit talked about being in therapy due to social media related mental issue and he kinda let it slip that many creators are in therapy as well, but won't openly talk about (probably because it's part of their job to show you a positive image). Gunrun also said he knows many streamers develop mental health issues, which is why VShojo pays for therapy. So it seems like it's am issue that is very common with content creators, which is no wonder, given they are exposed to so much "social"-interaction that the brain cannot handle it.
@@TomuraDev Along with all the people who mistake the parasocial streamer-audience relationship with a direct personal relationship, i.e. "Remember me? I sent you that red superchat the other day! You kind of owe it to me, right?" and so on and so forth. Understandable yet unreasonable expectations from the donator, discomfort and a sense of being pressured to act friendly with an essential stranger for the streamer. Got to be hard to deal with that kind of thing all the time.
Still keep in mind, that if you ARE deep down in the bad spot ... those pills can help a lot, to get out of it, but the price is a "sort of addiction" .... so don't hesitate if you need them, but be aware you will have to deal with some "side effect's" when getting out of or even lower the dose - talk with your doc(s) and let them help you to get through - Ganbatte everyone!
Always talk to a therapist first if you feel in the need of mental help. Where I live only a psyquiatrist can prescribe you ADs, so many of the comments here feel quite surprising for myself.
Thing is she's not doing better physically as anti-depressants have serious side effects, they "fix" by numbing your emotions, but the fact that all meds are toxic means eventually the toxicity catches up sooner or later. Now she's weaning off of them and sadly her body is doing better but it has to flush out the chemicals and the brain and all the organs start functioning better but still not functioning properly. It'll take her awhile as she needs to clear this stuff up, then she can say she is truly doing better
Go watch a video essay on the topic. TL;DR, society. ('I blame society' moment). From school being the last place where interpersonal relationships are encouraged for everyone aka a lack of the 3rd place, somewhere not home and not work. To the fact that we have life so much easier that we have time to think and be depressed without dying.
Depending on what it is , quitting them all of sudden can lead to suicide attempts in some people , people blame the meds but it's the misuse of them, there's a lot of myths and misinformation about it too so lets just let professional handle that stuff
The thing about antidepressants, right? As I've heard it explained, from what we even understand of them, they "raise the floor" for your mood. So the saddest you can get will be not quite complete despair any more. But you'll still be sad. Suffering. Stressed out by all the things that stress you out. The real solution here is for people to care about one another, and take care of each other, as best we can. Support, comfort, genuine efforts to _understand_ someone and their very real struggles. But that doesn't make money for big pharma, eh?
Tell you don't understand depression, without saying you don't understand depression. If you did, you wouldn't be spreading such incredibly dangerous misinformation 😡
No,it doesnt work that way.Sure,it does helps to have support but mental illnesses is not about that.Some need meds and that's okay.Yeah it fking sucks that they can be expensive but that is the price of living in this world.We just gotta accept what we have and do the most of it
I wish doctors would do a better job explaining medication to people. They're not magic cure-alls, and they're not categorically bad either. They have different effects on different people and they should be used intelligently. Dont push meds on someone who reacts badly to them, and dont try to convince someone to stop if its working for them. Definitely don't try to convince someone to not try them if a doctor has recommended it. Anecdotes are not a good enough reason to limit your options, especially with how variable the response to medication is. Medication is a tool and you should talk with your doctor/psychiatrist and do a proper risk benefit analysis for your specific case.
I'm a pretty depressed person in real life myself, but I don't use anti-depressants. I prefer to naturally conquer or restrain my depressive thoughts. It's a lot more difficult but worthwhile if you manage your depression naturally over medication. It doesn't always work, and there are still days when depression reigns supreme, but I don't have suicidal thoughts or feel hopeless because I've done this. I can't say it works for everybody, but it works for me.
Anti-depressants are among the most overprescribed medications on the planet. They aren't happiness in a pill but they put a floor on how far people can go down. Everyone wants that floor as high as it can get. Regular well adjusted people want that floor as high as it can get. Any down slump is seen as something which can be medicated away. Something like 11% of the population is on anti-depressants but the difference in genders is stark. It's closer to 18% for women and 6% for men. There is no way 20% of any population group should be on anti-depressants. And the really startling thing. With women it would be higher but there's a minimum level of affluence needed to easily get a prescription for them. More or less every woman who can afford going to a therapist semi-regularly is on anti-depressants. It's not a 100% conversion but it's close. There's also a racial difference. White women are by far the most likely group to be on anti-depressants. Minorities are less so. Don't know the breakdown but that group is over 20%. Here's the part where I talk out my ***. If 20ish% of a population segment are on anti-depressants which limit how low they can go then that means 20% of the population are on drugs which limits their negative reinforcement for bad behavior. They don't feel it as much. We artificially limited a social feedback mechanic on a huge segment of people. So take of that what you will for how people act. Vtubers specifically being on anti-depressants doesn't surprise me though. No one is meant to deal with what they deal with by being famous on a platform which gives so many fans the sort of access they have. It'd mess with anyone.
@@mathewgagnier9432 Personally, I've found walking works best along with eating good meals, trying my absolute best not to eat junk food. I also take magnesium when feeling wired because of the relaxing effect, of course what works can be different for everyone, but I've found going outside and walking tends to help as it I put my attention on the world around me and not on my life or me. I do it till not only I physically feel energetic but until any exhaustion or introversion or whatever has subsided and I feel nice and relaxed
@@mathewgagnier9432 This has been my philosophy as well. Been in and out of depression and burnout since college, couple of decades now... but with time, I've recovered more and more. Found balance, healthy ways to live, and ways to be okay with who I am, my abilities and limitations. I had antidepressants pitched to me as a way to "cope with anxiety", and I felt like... no, that wasn't what I needed. A chemical crutch that binds itself to my brain, forces me to need it. No thanks.
Anti depressants are often not meant to be used forever. They are meant to be used for bad episodes and times when without them, you would be in danger of worse outcomes or quality of life. It's a thing of beauty to be able to live without them again.
I have an extreme distrust towards antidepressants. They're altering your mind and that rubs me the wrong way. Besudes,I know that they cause addiction and side effects can be really harmful. The best alternative is to develop stoic character. Or, if you absolutely need something to ingest, St. John's wort, the really great natural antidepressant.
@@yong9613 still, may be a better way than over-prescribed "wonderpills".
Місяць тому
If you consume something as benign as coffee, you're already doing a mind altering substance. Obviously cigarettes and alcohol too, and even other things people wouldn't suspect. Like sport. Literally. When you do sport, your body naturally secretes endorphin. Endorphin is a drug, VERY close to opiods. That's why you feel good after sport. You're literally high. It's not just prescription and illegal drugs that alter your mind. I'm not a huge fan of antidepressants. But one year ago it came to a point where my options were limited.
I've been in antidepressants before and they can fuck you up in the long run, I found a way to deal with it because depression isn't really something that ever really goes away but can be controlled and managed. Also she was taking a rather quiet low doze, I was taking 750 mg zoloft at the beginning and at highest I was doing triple that.
Damn, yeah i was on a low dose myself, it was more for anxiety than depression, i defo should have jumped off them sooner than i did - but they were necessary at the time for me to function to fix my life so i could get off them
Not sure I agree entirely about depression being permanent. Certainly, once you've learned enough about the world to understand how fucked things are in many places, often including our own home region, it can weigh on one's heart and mind, yes. But we can still choose not to obsess over that, to spend our time and attention on things that lift us up and feel good. I'm lucky enough that family can form part of that for me, and close friends another part. And just... be a person you can be happy with, to the best of your ability of course. Forgive yourself for not being able to do whatever you can't do. Improve where you can, and congratulate yourself for it. Do things you want to do, or that you used to enjoy. I see depression and burnout as similar things - each is a sort of "hole" that eats up happiness and energy, leaving you feeling hollow, numb, or at best neutral even though you were laughing heartily at something just a second ago. Well, that hole isn't bottomless; you just have to keep filling it in by enjoying life, even if the enjoyment is cut short by the hole taking its share each time you feel a little happy. Another thing, though - you have to stop any fuckheads who are digging the hole deeper. Abusive people, cut contact wherever possible. Don't go thinking a parasitic or predatory piece of crap will change if you just give them time or ask nicely enough. Focus instead on people who care about others, about you. And be one of those people; care about them in return, and enjoy how good it feels to show that and see them appreciate it. Similarly, if you're stuck in a living situation that just keeps deepening the hole, do what you can to leave that situation for a better one. This can be very difficult in practice, of course, but try. Take little steps. Tiny ones if need be. Ask people for help! Figure things out with someone you trust. You'll get there, and being on your way might just help a little in the meantime.
It's honestly really cool that she's so open about it. Glad to see that she feels like she's in a place where she no longer needs them.
Yea, especially when mental health is usually a taboo in some places like Japan.
@@piotr004 And in the US. Which means she's 2 for 2 on nationalities that complicate treatment.
It still makes me a little nervous.
Feeling like you don't need them, stopping, and things going poorly is pretty common
@@1stCallipostle Yeah. I guess time will tell how well it goes for her.
@@1stCallipostle Then you can just go back on them
Geez, I admire her going through all that and still keeping that energy
Hope she's doing under the supervision of a doctor. Going off your meds on your own has a history of ending badly.
Yeah those drugs are particularly strong. Even if Japan mandates lower dosages, even the smallest amount can cause side effects. Her withdrawal is going to be rough.
@@jonglopez5400All dependent on the person. The highest Ive been on with one was 100mg. We wanted to see if there was an improvement if it was paired with something else. So like 20-30mg of another. It sent my heart rate to perma +100 throughout the day, lifting stuff sent me into being winded. Talked with someone else who was on the same, she was like 300mg daily
You can'''t get them without prescription in Japan
@@jonglopez5400 Effexor (Venlafaxine) based on the typical dosages. 110 is like an average dose. The dose of antidepressant doesn't indicate severity anyways. It's more about body weight, liver drug metabolism, and how your particular brain reacts to it.
@@jonglopez5400 110mg doesn't say much about strength without knowing what drug it is, diferent drugs have different dosage/strength ratios
Hope she can make it. I'm on antidepressants, about 12 years? Don't plan to stop. Without, that was even before trying them, I was physically in danger. My anxiety almost killed me. I know those pills are no miracle, but sometimes, its all you have.
You actually needed motivation and encouragement for your spirit to grow again, the pills are there to prevent you from going off the deep end, but it can also prevents you from growing stronger and becoming more passionate about life.
Me too, I have a genetically predisposed chemical imbalance. I need my medication to function. I went off of them a couple years ago, and had absolutely horrible results. Getting back on them was tough, I spent my days dry heaving and feeling horrible. But now I am back on my dose and feeling great, I can actually do things. Don’t feel ashamed of having to rely on meds, so many of us do.
@@C.K.Productions Yep! I'd be dead without! Each day is a battle but I'm doing alright. I'm not ashamed. I'm proud to do what I had to. Better then end up on alcool or drugs. Also did therapy to improve!
Same. I’ve been taking mine for about 10 years. My anxiety made it so difficult to sleep and function normally and taking them made me feel normal again
I'm really happy for Kson to be able to start going off those, keep it up!
Are you depressed because you are vtuber or Are you vtuber because you are depressed?
I'm depressed because the planet is on fucking fire and there's bugger all we can do to stop it.
I was on Lexapro for about a year... It made my pp temporarily stop working. As I was tapering off of it I would get this sensation whenever I would move my eyes rapidly... I think they commonly call it "brain zaps". Wasn't painful, really hard to describe though.
Turns out I didn't have depression, I have ADHD.
the scary thing that I do not see a lot of people talk about is that when you start anti-depressants there is a period where you becomes more spontaneous and start to move around, set plans in motion, sadly that is kind of a double egged sword since you becomes more active before the part of the brain that is in charge of your rational & logic parts gets "started" (more like higher/return-to-healthy-levels-of activity) so sadly some people on anti-depressants set in motions plans to off themselves… as such there is a real need for the person that takes the pills to have friends around them which is a problem if you do not have any friends because you have suffered from depression for years, so the "anti-off" pills are ironically a potential cause of you offing yourself, hopefully kson have a lot of friends around her sure quitting the pills gradually is the way to do it but it can still be rough
Oh, I love Kson's new model!
Me too, it's really cute.
The eye masking could be better. Looks really bad
Ah yes, _withdrawal symptoms._ Those are always annoying.
It's like ripping a super glued band-aid off. It's REALLY gonna suck, but it's worth it.
every medication that is long term has side effects when quitting, even stomach medication
the body gets used to it, so retiring anything that the body gets used to has side effects
Whoa, your account is as old as youtube itself!
@@xXUnoriginalNameXx33Meygaera we got the SSR pull
Thanks for clipping this 🙏
I truly wish her all the best! Hopefully she can enjoy life soon without anti-depressants and without pesky side effects ❤
I do think that it would be pog if VShojo signed renowned Guilty Gear player Joe Biden
The way my brain melted reading this
Careful kson. Good luck!
Life is pon pon pain
I just hope she knows what she's doing and will properly wean herself off them instead of just going cold turkey, immediately stopping a medication with no fadeout period never ends well
glad kson feels ready to go off her meds! i personally am a huge fan of antidepressants, and strongly disagree with a ton of people in these comments lmao. if you personally don't want to take them, fine, but mental illness has real physical causes like a chemically imbalanced brain and antidepressants help that. it SUCKS that you have to rely on the meds or you go into withdrawal, but it's entirely a 'what matters more' type of situation.
Facts. I will be on cymbalta for an indefinite amount of time. I have a genetically predisposed chemical imbalance. I cannot function without my meds (I take others, not going to list all of that though)
Whatever could have happened a little over three years ago that depressed her
oh god was it that long ago now
I pray for your health, kson
cant believe joe biden is graduating TT
Turns out it's more like stealth termination like Yugo.
If it's like Queen Elizabeth, he'll be back soon under a new identity.
Are you sure it's a graduation or did his contract get terminated? Or maybe he is taking an indefinite hiatus?
I used to be on antidepressants. Tried at least 6 different antidepressants for a spam of few years and I sadly stopped because none of them honestly helped my mood long term. Currently getting therapy now and that has helped me a lot. I even got recommended one just because I was suffering with IBS pain. Funny how having an A.C.E tube lowered the pain so much.
Terrifying, terrifying substances get off of. I was once hospitalized for delusions when last trying to stop my SNRIs. I'd love to try again but I'm truly afraid my mind won't come back from it.
It makes me feel better, in a dark and twisted sort of way to know that the people that I view as having the good life still have the same issues that we little people have to deal with down in the mud. Helps to make them more relatable, I wouldn't want to watch someone who had their dream job and whose life was perfect in every other aspect as well.
She on that Prozac eh? Shoot. Withdrawals are pretty gnarly though. Good luck to the vtubers on it or weening off it.
It was physical health or mental health for me. I chose the first, this is very relatable.
Yeah, I went 4 weeks without my antidepressants once and I was sick as hell.
Stomach pain and nausea constantly, could barely eat food.
And I’m still on them, lot longer than 3 years.
Thank you for clipping
congrats kson!
God I hope she can get off of that. I hope she feels better. God bless.
There's a lot of different types, if you're experiencing sideeffects you can change to a different one
I was on depressants in my teen years. They really are brain rot an not in a good way
100% of Vtubers have mental issues, the question is whether they put effort resolving them or not.
This is not meant to be an insult, but it is a fact. As a VTuber fan, I always feel proud when someone admitted their issue and are resolving it. Kson is worthy to be praised.
I like this model
the kids aint allright
Good song
Do I need it, wake up, am I under control, can I beat it....
I love when B2 level people write EN subs because you constantly have to rewind to check wtf was actually said
='(
i always thought this job is super stressful, stream everyday, many even in hololive had history of admitted to hospital....
maybe the industry overall need to slow down a bit...
Given that Vtubers are stemmed from Japanese Idols as a concept, yeah.
@@Speed001 only for Japanese idol agencies trying to make it so. It’s just streaming with an avatar
@therollerlollerman not even talking about the seiso branding, but the work culture
I mean, isnt this just streamers in general taking anti-depressants, not just vtubers?
I am not familiar with her but wow her accent is so unique, like a mix of southern and japanese
You really need to QC your subs.
110 to 75 to 37... wait, these dose numbers seem really familiar, and not all antidepressants have the same severity in withdrawal. Perhaps I'm familiar with the drug she was on?
I sure hope that "80% of vtubers do anti-depressants" is a joke.
@@CrextComic "My source is that I made it the fuck up" -Kson, probably
Might be. The percentage is probably still pretty high.
I still remember how TotalBiscuit talked about being in therapy due to social media related mental issue and he kinda let it slip that many creators are in therapy as well, but won't openly talk about (probably because it's part of their job to show you a positive image). Gunrun also said he knows many streamers develop mental health issues, which is why VShojo pays for therapy.
So it seems like it's am issue that is very common with content creators, which is no wonder, given they are exposed to so much "social"-interaction that the brain cannot handle it.
@@TomuraDev Along with all the people who mistake the parasocial streamer-audience relationship with a direct personal relationship, i.e. "Remember me? I sent you that red superchat the other day! You kind of owe it to me, right?" and so on and so forth. Understandable yet unreasonable expectations from the donator, discomfort and a sense of being pressured to act friendly with an essential stranger for the streamer. Got to be hard to deal with that kind of thing all the time.
Still keep in mind, that if you ARE deep down in the bad spot ... those pills can help a lot, to get out of it, but the price is a "sort of addiction" .... so don't hesitate if you need them, but be aware you will have to deal with some "side effect's" when getting out of or even lower the dose - talk with your doc(s) and let them help you to get through - Ganbatte everyone!
Always talk to a therapist first if you feel in the need of mental help. Where I live only a psyquiatrist can prescribe you ADs, so many of the comments here feel quite surprising for myself.
Much respect to Kson for taking the hard path. It's not easy to quit any drug (medical or otherwise) and even harder to not fall back after.
Im glad she is doing better now that its time to go off the meds
Thing is she's not doing better physically as anti-depressants have serious side effects, they "fix" by numbing your emotions, but the fact that all meds are toxic means eventually the toxicity catches up sooner or later.
Now she's weaning off of them and sadly her body is doing better but it has to flush out the chemicals and the brain and all the organs start functioning better but still not functioning properly. It'll take her awhile as she needs to clear this stuff up, then she can say she is truly doing better
The best antidepressant is to live a life worth living. Unfortunately that's not something that can be sold.
Tell that to my chemical imbalance.
I heard some people take antidepressants for reasons unrelated to depression
Why are so many people on anti depressants?
Go watch a video essay on the topic.
TL;DR, society. ('I blame society' moment).
From school being the last place where interpersonal relationships are encouraged for everyone aka a lack of the 3rd place, somewhere not home and not work.
To the fact that we have life so much easier that we have time to think and be depressed without dying.
Depending on what it is , quitting them all of sudden can lead to suicide attempts in some people , people blame the meds but it's the misuse of them, there's a lot of myths and misinformation about it too so lets just let professional handle that stuff
Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't it prescribed for period pain sometimes?
@@laikhoabang perhaps, but I discard that it's the case for 3 years straight 😬
Or maybe you're confusing them with contraceptives.
She's saying it's a withdrawal side-effect whatever it is.
Just goes to show that you never know what's happening in someone else's life. The grass isn't always greener on the other side of the fence.
Quit it 🚫 but do it gradually.
Love u kson
"remember kids, don't do drugs" kek
Me trynna completely quit Addie to be able to feel human again.
Doctor: "So, you've been feeling a bit depressed lately? OK, I'm going to prescribe you a crippling drug addiction!"
The thing about antidepressants, right? As I've heard it explained, from what we even understand of them, they "raise the floor" for your mood. So the saddest you can get will be not quite complete despair any more. But you'll still be sad. Suffering. Stressed out by all the things that stress you out. The real solution here is for people to care about one another, and take care of each other, as best we can. Support, comfort, genuine efforts to _understand_ someone and their very real struggles. But that doesn't make money for big pharma, eh?
Tell you don't understand depression, without saying you don't understand depression. If you did, you wouldn't be spreading such incredibly dangerous misinformation 😡
antidepressants can be life-saving and life-changing. do not spread fear-mongering
No,it doesnt work that way.Sure,it does helps to have support but mental illnesses is not about that.Some need meds and that's okay.Yeah it fking sucks that they can be expensive but that is the price of living in this world.We just gotta accept what we have and do the most of it
I wish doctors would do a better job explaining medication to people. They're not magic cure-alls, and they're not categorically bad either. They have different effects on different people and they should be used intelligently. Dont push meds on someone who reacts badly to them, and dont try to convince someone to stop if its working for them. Definitely don't try to convince someone to not try them if a doctor has recommended it. Anecdotes are not a good enough reason to limit your options, especially with how variable the response to medication is.
Medication is a tool and you should talk with your doctor/psychiatrist and do a proper risk benefit analysis for your specific case.
Im of the opinion people shouldnt be on said things in the first place
I'm curious the % of viewers here that use anti-depressants?.... If its also 80% or higher, then we know that society is coming to an end.
I'm a pretty depressed person in real life myself, but I don't use anti-depressants. I prefer to naturally conquer or restrain my depressive thoughts. It's a lot more difficult but worthwhile if you manage your depression naturally over medication. It doesn't always work, and there are still days when depression reigns supreme, but I don't have suicidal thoughts or feel hopeless because I've done this. I can't say it works for everybody, but it works for me.
Anti-depressants are among the most overprescribed medications on the planet. They aren't happiness in a pill but they put a floor on how far people can go down. Everyone wants that floor as high as it can get. Regular well adjusted people want that floor as high as it can get. Any down slump is seen as something which can be medicated away.
Something like 11% of the population is on anti-depressants but the difference in genders is stark. It's closer to 18% for women and 6% for men. There is no way 20% of any population group should be on anti-depressants. And the really startling thing. With women it would be higher but there's a minimum level of affluence needed to easily get a prescription for them. More or less every woman who can afford going to a therapist semi-regularly is on anti-depressants. It's not a 100% conversion but it's close. There's also a racial difference. White women are by far the most likely group to be on anti-depressants. Minorities are less so. Don't know the breakdown but that group is over 20%.
Here's the part where I talk out my ***. If 20ish% of a population segment are on anti-depressants which limit how low they can go then that means 20% of the population are on drugs which limits their negative reinforcement for bad behavior. They don't feel it as much. We artificially limited a social feedback mechanic on a huge segment of people. So take of that what you will for how people act.
Vtubers specifically being on anti-depressants doesn't surprise me though. No one is meant to deal with what they deal with by being famous on a platform which gives so many fans the sort of access they have. It'd mess with anyone.
@@mathewgagnier9432 Personally, I've found walking works best along with eating good meals, trying my absolute best not to eat junk food. I also take magnesium when feeling wired because of the relaxing effect, of course what works can be different for everyone, but I've found going outside and walking tends to help as it I put my attention on the world around me and not on my life or me. I do it till not only I physically feel energetic but until any exhaustion or introversion or whatever has subsided and I feel nice and relaxed
@@mathewgagnier9432 This has been my philosophy as well. Been in and out of depression and burnout since college, couple of decades now... but with time, I've recovered more and more. Found balance, healthy ways to live, and ways to be okay with who I am, my abilities and limitations. I had antidepressants pitched to me as a way to "cope with anxiety", and I felt like... no, that wasn't what I needed. A chemical crutch that binds itself to my brain, forces me to need it. No thanks.
People have been saying society has been coming to an end for centuries, don't worry.
We might all be messed up, but we'll survive.
kêfir > drugs
Anti depressants are often not meant to be used forever. They are meant to be used for bad episodes and times when without them, you would be in danger of worse outcomes or quality of life. It's a thing of beauty to be able to live without them again.
I have an extreme distrust towards antidepressants. They're altering your mind and that rubs me the wrong way. Besudes,I know that they cause addiction and side effects can be really harmful. The best alternative is to develop stoic character. Or, if you absolutely need something to ingest, St. John's wort, the really great natural antidepressant.
It works for you but not for everyone else
@@yong9613 still, may be a better way than over-prescribed "wonderpills".
If you consume something as benign as coffee, you're already doing a mind altering substance. Obviously cigarettes and alcohol too, and even other things people wouldn't suspect. Like sport. Literally. When you do sport, your body naturally secretes endorphin. Endorphin is a drug, VERY close to opiods. That's why you feel good after sport. You're literally high. It's not just prescription and illegal drugs that alter your mind. I'm not a huge fan of antidepressants. But one year ago it came to a point where my options were limited.
🫂 Congratulations to Kson! My family is naturally resistant to ANTI-DEPRESSENTS so I am always happy if they help and people get off.
I've been in antidepressants before and they can fuck you up in the long run, I found a way to deal with it because depression isn't really something that ever really goes away but can be controlled and managed.
Also she was taking a rather quiet low doze, I was taking 750 mg zoloft at the beginning and at highest I was doing triple that.
Damn, yeah i was on a low dose myself, it was more for anxiety than depression, i defo should have jumped off them sooner than i did - but they were necessary at the time for me to function to fix my life so i could get off them
Not sure I agree entirely about depression being permanent. Certainly, once you've learned enough about the world to understand how fucked things are in many places, often including our own home region, it can weigh on one's heart and mind, yes. But we can still choose not to obsess over that, to spend our time and attention on things that lift us up and feel good. I'm lucky enough that family can form part of that for me, and close friends another part. And just... be a person you can be happy with, to the best of your ability of course. Forgive yourself for not being able to do whatever you can't do. Improve where you can, and congratulate yourself for it. Do things you want to do, or that you used to enjoy.
I see depression and burnout as similar things - each is a sort of "hole" that eats up happiness and energy, leaving you feeling hollow, numb, or at best neutral even though you were laughing heartily at something just a second ago. Well, that hole isn't bottomless; you just have to keep filling it in by enjoying life, even if the enjoyment is cut short by the hole taking its share each time you feel a little happy.
Another thing, though - you have to stop any fuckheads who are digging the hole deeper. Abusive people, cut contact wherever possible. Don't go thinking a parasitic or predatory piece of crap will change if you just give them time or ask nicely enough. Focus instead on people who care about others, about you. And be one of those people; care about them in return, and enjoy how good it feels to show that and see them appreciate it.
Similarly, if you're stuck in a living situation that just keeps deepening the hole, do what you can to leave that situation for a better one. This can be very difficult in practice, of course, but try. Take little steps. Tiny ones if need be. Ask people for help! Figure things out with someone you trust. You'll get there, and being on your way might just help a little in the meantime.
Different drugs have different dosages even in the same class of drugs, so you can't compare like that.