"Watcher" DESTROYED their whole career in ONE VIDEO.
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- Опубліковано 2 чер 2024
- This video is about "Watcher" a channel who recently announced they're leaving UA-cam! Enjoy :)
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They did this to try to avoid making hard decisions, the truth is they need to cut down the number of employees to only the essential staff and they need to focus on local non travel related videos.
No first class flights every month and no gold flake encrusted gourmet food.
They want their fans to save them from their irresponsible spending. out of touch and incompetent it seems.
I understand that they came from a good place,they wanted to help their friends out and give them jobs but if the boat is sinking because there are too many people on it you're going to have to toss a couple people overboard or everyone goes down.
and the ceo doesn’t need his tesla and food worth more than what’s in my bank account at the moment lol
@@hyacinthreverieand the fact that he had talked about wanting to buy a second tesla not too long ago
They thought buzzfeed was taking money just to take money, but now they realize they are the ones who have to deal with costs of employees and everything else that goes into a media company
My fave former buzzfeed employee story is Quinta. She left, pursued her dreams and worked hard and has an Emmy to show for it. An icon
Seriously, Quinta is a national treasure.
and safiya, her videos are so entertaining
Quinta ate them all up
What do they do? I like their name, like quinoa.
@@TimeFrost She created Abbott Elementary which skyrocketed and renewed a lot of actors' careers, including her own. They're renewed until season 4 I believe.
You’d think with 25 employees they could put out more than a video a week at most.
For real. I mean, there's people out here who are doing it all themselves and put out multiple videos a DAY.
Or just learn to do shit themselves between the three of them or get in contact with a tv network. From what ive seen, Theyre so spoiled and smug beyond belief in their "last video on youtube"
Ive never watched their content but as a counter to this coming from someone with a film degree, not everyone is doing all of the roles and shooting takes a longggggg time depending on the day you can be there 12 or more hours. Let’s say you film for 3 days for 12 hours, but before that you were organizing things (getting permits to film, actors, research, script etc) which we can knock out a day or two for. That’s already most of the week gone and you still have to edit. It’s really easy to get annoyed at how long things take (trust me I’ve been there wondering why I have to wait x years for the next season, etc) but just thought I’d offer some perspective from the other side
@@luciabaran8346 you're only semi-right. Cuz remember, they have 25 people on their staff. Let's say they only use 6-7 people on a shoot. Where's the rest of their workers at? They can easily manage to do 1 video a week if they plan and map things out correctly. Especially when a bunch of their videos are EATING videos. Those are so easy to do. They are way over staffed and under utilized.
@@luciabaran8346 Yeah, you should probably watch some of their videos before you say silly things like this!
One of their shows just the two guys playing videogames, and they credited 11 people in those vids.
I know for a fact you don't need a crew of 11 to make a video of two guys playing a videogame, because dozens of 18 year old Twitch streamers do basically the same thing by themselves with an iPhone cam and a ring light!
It's absurd to think they can't cut SOME costs!
They aren't making films or TV series or even reality TV, they're making UA-cam vidoes!
These guys seem to want to be serious filmmakers and I understand that, but they aren't there yet! They have some highly produced shows, but are also still making UA-cam type content like videogame playing and another show where they sit in one of the guys backyard and get drunk while reading ghost stories that fans submit on social media
You're seriously going to try to tell me they need 25 employees to release 4 videos like that a month?
Watcher needs to go back to their "black screen with blue and yellow text" roots. Til this day, I watch those Buzzfeed Unsolved videos.
Me too, I miss those days. It was so entertaining to watch
I don't know why, but I find Buzzfeed Unsolved much more entertaining than Ghost Files. I haven't seen Mystery Files yet, but I've heard it wasn't really based on true crime anymore, which is really what I liked about Buzzfeed Unsolved. I don't know how or why, but some of the magic is gone... And it makes me really sad that it has because I LOVED Buzzfeed Unsolved and watched every new episode the day it came out.
@@kayzmavc4596I found this last season of ghost files almost unwatchable. It was technically fine but just so dull and not remotely tense or engaging. There’s just some “magic” that doesn’t seem to be there for it. Maybe they need to try another kind of video and then come back to that in the future with fresh eyes.
@@kayzmavc4596 Yah ghost files and mystery files feel much more scripted than their buzzfeed counter part
Same. I always go back to the Buzzfeed videos before their new stuff.
I don't think I'm alone in this being a wake up call that actually... I don't enjoy Watcher as much as I enjoyed Unsolved. It's all overproduced and to the actual detriment of their content. Blue and yellow text on a black screen and two guys at a desk was so much more entertaining than every expensive set and overly long show they do now. It's a shame, but this is definitely my jumping off point, after many years of supporting them.
If they really want to keep growing, I think they need to drastically cut their staff, cut their studios, move out of LA, and embrace the much lower budget look that centred talent over money.
100% agree, and you worded this beautifully.
THIS! I loved Buzzfeed Unsolved, but I can't get into Watcher because it's so overdone. They need to go back to what made them popular to begin with.
I feel like puppet history was a great starting point as it was more heavily produced, but was still centered on talent.
I think that they need to cut some staff and hire and ACTUAL CFO with business credentials
I have the BUN marathons in my list to re-watch on YT. I miss it
I completely agree! I feel like Ryan and Shane have just become hosts of the shows and everything behind the scenes is done by TEAMS of employees. Now that is total speculation on my part but it’s how it feels to me- like Ryan and Shane have become disconnected to the actual content. Just an opinion. 😬
“It’s been fun. Thanks guys” *shrugs*
What a gut punch. That felt like a bad break up.
The fact that the try guys have never even suggested they want to leave UA-cam but these people have done this? Insane. If you want to be a “television show” sell your stuff to a network
Wonder if they've tried and been rejected.
@@asarishepard8171 That's pretty much possible, but the way they were so out of touch and their website is so unpolished (no app, no subtitles, no comment section, and no new content yet even) makes me feel like they've never gotten actual feedback from anyone who has worked on TV stuff before.
Edit to add: They say they don't want to lower their production costs and quality, but they also don't want to lay off any staff. It feels like none of them are used to making hard decisions. With a big business like that, they SHOULD hire HR or be able to let go of the friends from buzzfeed that they hired.
Why do they even want to go TV? TV is for boomers. They're the only reason TV still exists.
Yeah, if they mentioned they are working with Peacock or another small but popular network, I would be ecstatic! Its a shame they are doing this but hopefully they do get people following the Watcher network 🙏
@@asarishepard8171honestly probably, ghost and mystery shows are totally saturated right now, they’re popular because of the parasocial relationship with us and I don’t think they realized that?
This would all have gone off far better if we hadnt heard about the 55K weddings, teslas and the glorious lifestyle they live 🙄 dont tell me its about them not wanting to fire people, that not what they’re trying to save.
Just the wedding venue was $55k. And she had three wedding dresses.
3:55 this irked me so bad lmao. it’s one the for random boomers to discredit youtube, but for actual youtubers to imply that “tv” is more prestigious than youtube (while offering a web subscription lmaooo) is pathetic.
the sheer amount of HIGH QUALITY content on here is incredible.
Seriously. Some TV channels and streaming services even have UA-cam channels with their shows on them.
To be fair (and speaking as a "Boomer") UA-cam is a lot like the television we Boomers grew up with. It's free for the viewer, supported by ads and there are a lot of choices. That's why I enjoy it. You can support what you like even if you don't have money to spend. Lots of people my age got tired of the cable services back in the day because you had to pay for something we used to get for free (Sound familiar?). It's hard on people without extra cash to burn. It was then and it still is. My family couldn't afford cable, so I get it.
I liked these guys in the Buzzfeed days, when it was about their personalities and not the production.
The drive for better production is what THEY want, not what viewers want.
The viewers don't want to watch Steven burn more money than they will see in a month on one meal.
To think his shows will "do better" on a paid service when nobody wanted to see them when they were free is delusional thinking.
I have the money to spend, but I won't because I think this is a lousy way to treat the people who put them in the position they are in today. I won't reward bad behavior and it will take a long time to rebuild my trust, if it ever can be done at all.
As a long time fan of Watcher and Buzzfeed Unsolved, this whole situation came entirely out of the blue. Never in my life have the Ghoul Bois ever done anything like this. I personally think they just have no idea how to run a business and overbudgeting by traveling/doing these expensive food videos no one really asked for? (That's purely Steven byw, who is the CEO)
They apologized & that’s good. I give them credit for that. What pisses me off is that even with all their revenue streams (live shows, merchandise, sponsorships + patreon) they are doubling down on their cry of poverty. They doubling down on squeezing their audience for more money 💰 Just greedy & manipulative to double down on the attitude that it was either a streaming service or die. They need to realize that everybody can be replaced.
Tbh they set the tone they couldve acted more excited and really tried to sell this and majority of their fan base would probably go with it because the parasocial relationship. But they were recording it setting the tone, like an apology vibe almost like they know people wouldn’t be happy
it reminded me so much of when the try guys spoke out after the ned situation. like the couch , come on
I kind of feel bad for them. This feels like something that came out of a very exciting brainstorm, but no one stopped to do some market research along the way. If they did, they would've known that most people have so many subscriptions for so many platforms, there's no way their little new platform with the same three dudes in every video was going to pop off in 2024. I admire their will to dream and the fact that they admitted their bad judgement and turned it around for the audience, but GOD, these 25 people... NO ONE DID MARKET RESEARCH?
I think they just went with the people that surround them, who are either well off like them - owning a Tesla and telling us about buying another one, flying first class, getting expensive weddings and handbags - or "yes" people, so as long as they are being paid or have some benefits for sticking around, they will cheer them for anything they decide. They just didn't think about the many subscriptions and other living costs regular people like us already have, or how the $6 dollars will impact subscribers in other countries... or they just didn't care, they are "TV quality" producers and they want to be relevant only for well off viewers, if you are poor, stay with the poor content of YT - I'm not sure which is worse and which they actually believe, but you are right, they didn't do a proper, objective market research.
With 25 people running around, why isn't one a finance person or a marketing person?
Poor business sense all around.
They want to be "tv caliber" whilst only providing Watcher TV on desktop 😂, no apps or anything
But do you really need an app just to watch their videos? I don't
@@karolinawww6834the app is UA-cam
They wanna be their own Netflix but probably end up being Seeso or Quibi
Essentially they thought they were Disney+ bundle when they were Peacock. 😅
They were Qubi
@@SntaCrzgirl08daaaamn 😂
Let’s not insult peacock like that
"it would be great if we could find a way to rely less on advertising" so rely less on the big companies with a lot of money and more on people that are mostly living paycheck to paycheck... Makes sense to me 🤦♀️
And this is why I'm a pirate. Youll never catch me paying for any streaming service if i can rip it out of their money hungry hands
19 people were credited in the video…. I feel like they should maybe address that before leaving UA-cam and starting a streaming platform.
Also… CREATING STREAMING SERVICES COSTS MONEY TOO!!!!!!!!!!!!! Like that’s another thing they’ve spent money on!!!!!
In this economic crisis I’ve chosen to not stream anymore (cancelled membership), changed to free Spotify (ads are on UA-cam too), and yet influencer streaming platforms will not trump getting those services back instead for dang near the same price and ONE TYPE OF CONTENT!!. Lollll
The price of groceries is a must , paying for gas to get back and forth is a must , paying rent , insurance , utilities , car payment A MUST ! You tube premium optional but a way to "step away " from our over commercialized lives . All the stressors and bites from our wallets is not a must . To watch as Shane and Ryan take trips to England and Scotland to hear them talk about all the places theyve traveled to while we worry about having enough gas to make it back and forth for the week ~ spare me on the whole we arent making enough money on UA-cam!!!!
The sheer amount of people and companies wanting monthly subscriptions is getting out of hand. I can't afford a billion different subscriptions every month. Almost every site I go to wants to shill a subscription service now.
They are just so money greedy and bad at business. So many employees they dont need, focus on "quality" even though the viewers dont care, Stevens stupid first class tips and overpriced food. People stayed for the personalities not the fancy camera it was shot on.
Honestly, I think they're so used to Buzzfeed Unsolved viewership and numbers that the Watcher views don't seem consistent enough, so they went for a bigger moneymaker. It left a sour taste in my mouth, because I really liked these guys but to be so completely tone deaf was really odd.
Honestly, my problem with watcher has always been that the mix of Ryan and Shane with Steven never made any sense to me. If we compare the three to the try guys even, they don't have that chemistry or a history of working together. And now that they do work together, their chemistry isn't fun which is made even more evident by Ryan and shane's natural chemistry. I feel like ryan and shane really brought on Steven because they thought he's more grounded and can make better business decisions, but watcher inherently lacks the chemistry we adored about them. It's so weird because i used to watch Buzzfeed Unsolved religiously with my friend, we'd literally be late to classes to watch the episodes the moment they aired and now i barely ever watch any watcher content even though i adore Shane and Ryan.
Watcher feels like they wanted to be movie directors and were expecting movie director budgets but forgot they're just youtubers.
I was a fan and I’m brazilian… five dollars here is more or less the equivalent of 35 in my currency. lmao no not affordable
Tipo isso, tem um canal que eu assino que é 34 reais mas é mtttttt conteúdo e eles são uns príncipes
I honestly don’t understand how they didn’t think about that beforehand. Like, for a channel with an addmitted team of over 25 people, HOW did no one bring this up?
They’re aspiring to be « as good as tv » when tv is actually dying…
The couch of shame 🛋👀
honestly like someone else said this whole thing just made me realize that im not really a fan of their current stuff. i only really stuck around for the mystery and ghost stuff but i kinda petered off even that and mostly kept watching to support them. but after this i kinda ended up questioning why im even watching something i barely pay attention to/like. so i feel bad for them and also good on them for listening to their audience, but honestly the whole situation just kinda lost me completely so i don't think i'll be resubbing, much less paying for their content.
i think there were so many better ways to go about trying to fix their apparent financial problems and this really really wasn't it, and i think even though i've seen a generally positive reaction to the rollback and apology a good chunk also kinda have had the same wakeup call of 'wait, why am i watching them again?' because this- at least personally- has jarred me out of the rut of staying with something just because it's a lingering attachment to something you don't really enjoy anymore.
Yes right. I resubbed after their apology because I felt like should accept the apology I asked for but at the same time I absolutely agree with you.
this is true. i absolutely loved the work they did in buzzfeed but struggling to get into their newer things here, even though the premise is pretty similar. it's not that they've gotten worse, i actually can see that they put their heart and soul into producing their videos, but something about the new stuff just isn't hitting like the old one.
i don’t know anything about what it takes to make a tv show but couldn’t they have pitched themselves to places like netflix or get picked up by another streaming service, it seems like they have a HUGE ego and i think the first sign of that was towards the end of buzzfeed unsolved
Okay but the comments on their first video were so fucking funny lmao
Have to word this carefully to not cross any contractual lines. Worked for a media company that has worked with Watcher before and in terms of business practices this is fully unsurprising.
I need a body language analysis on the original vid so bad
LOL JK GUESS WHAT'S IN MY RECOMMENDED
Observe did both videos. I'm guessing one popped up in your recommend. Praise the algorithm.
You know that’s bullshit right?
Body language is ableist pseudoscience that relies on the concept that there’s a baseline “normal” of human behavior. There isn’t. Especially not in a capitalist society that requires us to essentially prey on each other to survive.
If cops swear by it, you probably shouldn’t trust it.
You need to be able to read people on your own. Dont outsource it to a third party who does not care about you.
Ok but I feel like they could do both? Like… Just make the expensive content payed, and start producing some simpler videos for UA-cam, cuz it could also work as advertisement for their streaming service
They already have a patreon…. So idk why they didnt just up that??
@@Lgm1163 well they can be trying to expand the business, but in this way, it was certainly not a smart choice
right? Like have 20 min-ish cut videos on UA-cam and the long-form 1 hour specials on their streaming service.
That has to be the dumbest decision ever, how did no one stop them and wake them up.
Going to be an awkward and stale return to youtube in a few months time
Idk, they’ve gotten about 2k videos on them almost all complimenting their content and then retracted their nonsense.. seems almost like ragebait advertising
I wonder if they just filmed both videos in the same day and had it planned out the whole time to be just the content a month earlier
it's giving fine bros react world, honestly
Exactly what I keep thinking of
Big UA-camrs: choose to go on fun, interesting, once in a lifetime trips to film content.
Also them: "we really need help guys, we do this all for you :/"
Lmao.
& Like you mentioned.. why doesnt mr beast need a paywall? Its not lack of money. Its lack of the amount of money they want. Absolute greed. It destroys communitites.
Maybe Mythical can buy them like they did Smosh and they can get a steady salary and solid management for budget and staff and such.
Some people started saying they was gonna pirate 🦜 their new content. 😂
Omg 😂
They just went about it wrong. Plenty of youtubers have their own paid service and do "highlights" for free on youtube. Its nothing new at all. These guys just decided to go all or nothing like idiots
I just feel the need to clarify, they do have about 13000 members on patreon, but if you look under the about tab, they actually only have 5,800 PAID members on patreon and their lowest tier is actually $5 USD, so using your reasoning they are actually making about $30,000 USD per month, not $90,000
This is nearly my yearly salary as a teacher. No “only” about it.
@@pins-and-needles9308that money goes directly into your pocket. They still need to pay bills, employees, office supplies and every little thing that you don't even think about that keeps the company going day to day. Then they need to pay for what they need to make that video. Then they need to pay themselves between the three of them. Not defending them, they made a stupid choice but running a company is expensive and sometimes you have to make hard decisions like cutting back on things.
@@pins-and-needles9308 Presumably they're splitting it between themselves and their employees. (I don't think the entire team makes 30k a month each) but it's essentially a (small?) business, which takes some of the distaste about those monthly numbers away, at least for me. However, this was clearly a cash grab. I'm glad they realized what a mistake it was, and I might check out their channel.
@@Katie-or2xn based on your logic if her salary goes "directly" into her pocket, then so is their revenue. If you say they have bills, she has bills. If you say they have rent, she has rent. If you say they have expenses, she has expenses. 🤨
@@luizairinam2136 they have to pay bills for their personal life but before that the company bills get paid. Im just trying to say that that money doesn't go to them they get a salary as well its just that they pay themselves. Its going to be a large salary but thats because its what they decided to pay themselves even though they should take a pay cut if they are struggling. They cant take all that money for themselves if they did they wouldn't have a company to generate more income. She is on the other end. She is one of the bills the company has to pay.
Its like when they say a celebrity is worth 1 million dollars. They dont have 1 million dollars sitting in a valt. If they are smart a big chunk of that money will be tied up in the stock market, real estate and other things that will make them more money which is how they stay rich.
The reason streaming was so popular originally was people felt like they had 600 channels and watched like 5 of them. Advertising was absolutely unavoidable. Oh, and anything like Max, AMC or Showtime would still cost an extra $3-5 a month each on top of the increasing base prices. Streaming services allowed the viewers to tailor what they paid with what they were actually watching. But now the companies are all doing cash grabs and it's as bad as cable packages- I'm pretty sure I'm going to start sailing the high seas again soon.
The comments were brutal a lot of people were bringing up that one of the guys eats gold encrusted ice cream
Their fanbase really said all i wanted was you
Your point about being called out, apologising, and people ridiculing you for the apology they wanted in the first place is so spot on😂. Damn!
Fave youtuber crossover but not in the way I wanted it to be.. yikes
seems like they've either bitten off more than they can chew by having too many staff members and unrealistic ambitions about the type of content they want to make right now, or they aren't good at managing their funds responsibly, or want to shift into being a type of content or "show" that no one asked for or wants.........OR they got too greedy, and want to grow and get paid more for just for the sake of it (maybe a combination of those). in any case, they HAVE to know that we are in subscription hell right now, and people aren't going to add on another subscription to something as nonessential as their channel. like come on. personally, I'm leaning more towards thinking that they simply wanted to have more money and keep their team big and their content as high-production as possible. arrogant move tbh, but thank god they at least are paying attention to their viewers' reaction
it was definitely a steven decision, he became the sole ceo a few months ago and hes the one who wants to travel around the world eating expensive food for content and all tht shit
edit: because yawl love not reading all that i said and then jumping to conclusions and i'm not responding anymore😭
1. i dont like or dislike any of them- which includes steven, i am very aware that i don't know them which is why i dont like or dislike any of them- its not like they commited some heinous crime or smth
2. i dont believe any of them are innocent i believe there's varying degrees of guilt, what i was trying to say is that i believe steven is the most guilty of the three for reasons i have already stated, not that shane and ryan are at all innocent
3. steven is not "new" i've literally watched all three of them since they were still at buzzfeed, again i just dont like or dislike any of them- what i like is their dynamic, that's it
Sure makes it easier to blame the guy you don’t like over the two you do
@@daesgatling1345 yea and hes also literally the ceo, the one who has the most control over things like this unlike the other two
@@extraterrestrial.cherriesif you think he just charged ahead with the other two trailing meekly behind, I got a bridge to sell you
@@extraterrestrial.cherries He's only the sole CEO because Ryan & Shane didn't want to do it anymore, people like to think they "Didn't have a choice!" But that's just infantilizing them. They're the only company talent, they have leeway! And if people don't want to give them any blame in agreeing on the decision then blame them for giving up their power to Steven.
i never said the other two were completely innocent i said steven is the primary one that made the decision and he has the most to gain from it, i also did like steven before this and i dont dislike him still
That side eye u give in the thumb nail wraps up my exact emotions on this
I pay two UA-cam memberships per month, £18 for Oz Media(there is a cheaper option) and £4.50 for Tiny Blue Anthropologist. Given how expensive living is you have to really like people and their content to want a membership. The idea that they think more than maybe a few percent of their audience will pay this subscription fee is out of touch at best and manipulative or exploitative at worst. I pay for Premium because I hate ads but also because the volume on ads is often different, usually much louder from the video’s volume and I don’t like being suddenly deafened especially if I’m working and can’t always change it straight away. I know channels watched get money from Premium but I’m not sure how much.🤔🤔
It’s giving ‘we want a tv show but we’ve not been picked up’
Maybe their aim was to convert their Patreon users into this new service to remove the Patreon middle-man taking a cut, though it would still be odd if it's for the money since they'd be losing the youtube & sponsor money along side needing to pay for their own streaming platform/server maintance (if it's their own and not just a pre-existing streaming service).
I love Watcher, but $6 for a streaming service with just those 3's production is WAY too much. $3 maybe i could justify it but they over valued themselves way too much.
They should have launched the service for less $$$ but put a few exclusives on it and let people choose. Also the fact they didnt initially roll their patreons who were already paying them extra to the service is insane to me.
the sad piano in the background... its like they learnt nothing from the arogance of the fine brothers.
I stg it’s part of the weird Buzzfeed pipeline 💀
Someone said "you can take the boys out of Buzzfeed, but you can't take Buzzfeed out of the boys" lmao
Don’t slander Safiya
@@woahitsyouagain8574 I don’t even consider her buzzfeed anymore. 🤣
@@daddy4967 HAHA TRUE
@@woahitsyouagain8574TIL “Safiya” translates to “morning”
Cool
Thank u for giving us the short version! 💓
I’d rather watch multiple ads through every video. Like/comment/subscribe to support my fave content creators. I just wouldn’t personally pay for a membership situation like they’re doing.
I can’t believe they tried to go this direction without even exploring patreon or services like that
The thing that irks me is that they think theor content is worthy of $59 a year. Sorry but they need to humble themselves
Sad to see my ex co workers being dragged. Not defending this misstep at all. They were always nice people to work with but maybe they’re getting lost in a sauce a bit like all successful influencers.
A crossover I never expected tbh
HAAAA I can’t believe you’re talking about Watcher I honestly watch like 5 channels consistently this is such a crazy crossover
I’m burnt out too. I’ve stopped all my services except Amazon and we plan to not renew when it comes time. We’ve unplugged a lot more and we’re moving toward completely unplugging
At 2:04 you can see how they feel about it, Steven is smiling nodding along, very pleased about it and then there’s Shane… he moves and changes position on how he is sat as if he is uncomfortable from hearing it and then sighs and looks away and just looks displeased over all. Then at 2:30 Steven is still smiling and Shane just can’t look at the camera and looks to the floor. Shane knew their subscribers would not be on board with this. And this is why I’m convinced this was all Steven’s idea
You’re not a body language expert
@@daesgatling1345 you don’t have to be a body language expert to see when someone is clearly uncomfortable
@@daesgatling1345body language is ableist pseudoscience. You do not need to and should not under any circumstances, outsource your human ability to ready behavior and interpret it, to a grifter who can sell you the idea you’re not good enough to comprehend body language.
Haven’t watched Angelika in awhile, so not used to the background, but I’m obsessed with your ds game collection!!
I pay the same for Disney Plus. I think I would prefer that over Watcher
I used to like Watcher and casually watch them. Not necessarily following every video closely, but every so often I'd click on a video in my recommended. This whole thing just put a bad taste in my mouth. I actually think their apology was pretty solid, but they've completely shattered their original "good guys against the world" type of image. I appreciate the steps theyre taking, and I wouldn't blame people for going back and welcoming them with open arms, but I'm definitely not going to resubscribe.
I never even heard about that channel, and I only found out about this story because all my favorite commentary UA-camrs were clowning these dudes all week, lol...anyway. Delusional. They're making way too much money but that's probably why they can't read a room.
The best thing is this could have been COMPLETELY avoided if they did a little bit of market research...matter of fact all they had to do is post a poll on their community tab
Hey everyone! If you want more details about what Angelika did not go over I will discuss it :)
First off, I want to say I have been watching Shane and Ryan for 5 years. When Unsolved was just a baby. So, let’s get started lol
Ryan Bergara started and started Unsolved: True Crime and Unsolved: Supernatural. Shane Madej joined him about 2-3 episodes in as Ryan originally had a different cohost.
Unsolved became a huge success and lasted for 7 seasons until they decided to leave Buzzfeed in 2020 to start Watcher Entertainment with Steven Lim. Steven was also apart of Buzzfeed but he worked on a show called “Worth It” and a few others. Worth it was a show about going to a bunch of expensive restaurants and seeing if the prices were “worth it.”
Unsolved episodes have surpassed millions of views since its debut and continue to be watched by fans (me lol)
When Steven, Shane and Ryan started Watcher a big reason fans followed was for their version of Unsolved Supernatural and Unsolved True Crime which are Mystery Files and Ghost Files. Ghosts filed debuted about a year and half ago and was followed up with Mystery Files. Production had defiantly gone up as seen in the graphics, “ghost tools” and sets. Shane, Ryan and Steven have created other shows ofc like Puppet History, Too Many Spirits, Top 5 Beatdown and a few podcasts. They have grown a lot since the last 4 years as Steven mentioned they currently have 25 employees. It is important to note that a lot of these employees were friends or even family members of the guys which eluded to them saying they didn’t want to lay people off.
This video came out after mystery files season 2 wrapped up and was of course a huge shock to fans (I spent that entire watching the social blade and other channels commentary’s lol)
In the US the monthly subscription is $6 and $60 per year. For viewers outside of the country as Angelika showed, the payments rise significantly. The video last I know off has 250k dislikes compared to the 30ish K likes. Of course they have gotten a lot of backlash and attention from the decision but not bringing in new people that they would’ve hoped for.
During the 3 day silence they lost about 10k on Instagram and it’s now 18k lost since then. Shane Madej’s wife did speak out against the backlash by backing up the statements made and the pricing. Calling it “affordable” and that she understood people “not wanting to pay for something that was once free” but that it’s important to pay fair wages. She of course got a lot of backlash because it has been publicly noted that they’re wedding in Chicago cost 55k at the least, making her statement very out of touch as she also bought an expensive bag for their honeymoon. In the original video Steven announced he would be starting a show called “Travel Season” which is a similar concept to “Worth it” which got so much hate because people took notice of the current economic crisis and how people can’t even afford to buy food sometimes since many Americans are living pay check to pay check. Once again making it an out of touch experience for Steven.
A lot of people blame Steven for the situation because he is the CEO and that he’s has shown in prior videos he enjoys living a luxurious LA lifestyle. Driving a Tesla, expensive trips, bragging about eating goop salads on the podcast as well as owning a $300 coffee maker. I don’t particularly believe he was the only one to make this decision because they are all grown adults.
The aftermath:
As shown in the video, they’ve lost thousand as of subscribers and followers across all platforms. They of course make the apology video and state that all patrons members will have a free membership to the new streaming service.
BUT
They failed to mention that it wasn’t a fully free subscription, it gave current Patreon members T H R E E MONTHS free not a fully free add on service.
They lied multiple times throughout both videos and showed the audience a very greedy side of themselves. Especially with saying Patreon members get to have “free” access when it was only for a couple months.
Prediction:
The decision has tarnished their reputation and relationship with the audience. And showed other potential audience members that they don’t really care and just want money. I don’t know if Angelika is aware but Watcher does live shows for Ghost files where they fly around the country doing QAs and showing the newest episode of Ghost Files. Which is of course extra income. This possible new audience has now seen a dark side that they won’t be interested in and they will lose out on potential money. The current Watcher fans or ex fans feel betrayal. This betrayal will ultimately lead to other channels with similar content taking in these ex fans, giving them an opportunity to be the “New Shane and Ryan”
I pay for UA-cam premium, so I'm especially not going to pay for an extra streaming service for UA-cam videos. I think they saw platforms like dropout and thought that they could do it too
i watched charlie (moistcritikal) talk about this as someone who runs a agency for youtubers and also has a lot of employees and he mentioned how they in no way are “struggling” for money with their current revenue
That guy went out of his way to explain the numbers, and it was really eye opening!!
I love it when I come home, sit down with food, and watch an *amazing* video ❤❤❤
I feel like i can understand why they want a more "stable " form of income as in they don't rely of sponsors . But i feel like keeping a part of content free would've been the way to go even if its a minority of the content they produce.
Did they not learn from rooster teeth tf 😂
i was a bad girl
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You did some bad things?
@@asarishepard8171 i swear i did it all for fun 🙏🏽
Except they didn’t do it because they didn’t understand their audience. They got greedy and they got caught. They were pulling all their content off UA-cam and putting it behind a paywall. Even the old stuff! If they are so concerned about the quality of the content they need to scale back, stop worrying about fancy sets, pointless shows to pad their content, hiring more people, and alienating the only reason they have the popularity they do.
they have responded RECENTLY
Girl….please let us know what eyeshadow you are using. Also, I LOVE YOUR VIDEOS❤
They employed a lot more people than they could pay, and they tried making their fans pay the cost.
whats really funny is the fact that we have streaming places like dropout that are a subscription but the MAJOR difference is the amount that they put out vs what watcher is putting out (and for virtually the same amount)
I mean- this was the dumbest move ever.
I wonder if they changed the tier costs before i had a chance to check them. They were $5, $10, $25, & $100 when i checked the day before last.
Something interesting i learned, though, while they may have nearly 14k patreon members now, fewer than 6k of those are paying subscribers. Everyone else is on the free tier.
So their current paying base is really low. Idk how they thought theyd suddenly convince more people to start paying ehen they have a pretty good indicator of whos willing to pay already
They disappointed the fuck out of me with this.
I make a pretty decent wage. I cannot afford an extra $5.99 a month.
They are so greedy Fr
the couch video is a career ruiner smh
Screen junkies tried making their own service too and it shut down after a while because I guess it wasn’t worth it
Been waiting for your take on this 😊
Never heard of these guys before…interested to see how it pans out for them.
I love that they are offering full refunds to fans who have already subscribed! they seem like they actually care about their fans and i think they really thought people would like this (since people complain about ads and sponsors all the time)
Thank you for the point about how absurd the "oh they only apologized because they got pushback!" argument is.
Like...yeah, that's how apologies work!
No one would ever apologize if they never did anything wrong in the first place!
I mean if you don't feel you can forgive the initial mistake, just say that but this kind of circular reasoning of "this person is totally wrong and if they don't apologize they're trash!!! oh wait? they just apologized!? pfft! only because people told them they were wrong!!!" just doesn't make any sense.
Do you believe that people can grow and learn and be remoseful for their mistakes or not?
And if not, why even bother asking for an apology?
I wonder how much money they sunk into the watcher app. They could have paid themselves more with that.
I have no clue who these guys are but I love Angelika’s videos so I’ll still watch, I’m curious 😂
What I don't get is, isn't there a streaming service like that? Nebula or something? I now the jetlag game videos are uploaded to a paid streaming service first and it has several creators. Why didn't they just ask there?
I didn't know they had a Patreon, how did they know understand that the Patreon was already the extent of people that would be willing to pay for them. The Patreon is a pre-built place to be free of sponsors and get wild/uncut. Maybe they thought this would get loads of press and it was a deliberate move
The only reason I don’t wanna watch is cos they still seem out of touch for saying everyone can afford it
My thoughts on this are if they wanted to make high-quality TV style things why wouldn’t they have approached Netflix or approached one of those streaming services? Why would they not have partnered with an already well-known streaming service? it would’ve been easy for them to do like little teasers on UA-cam but have a streaming service deal through Netflix or Amazon or somewhere like that… I know since their initial video they have backpedaled, but I’m still questioning why they didn’t go to the streaming services that already exist or if they were rejected by them?
They could just lower the quality? A lot of ytubers i watch stream from their bedroom and they have good content. Good camera and mic are the most important.