THE FLAMES DIE OUT! The Story of the Phoenix Finance Takeover of Prost GP (2002)

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  • Опубліковано 5 вер 2024
  • Ah, Phoenix Finance, one of those entities that show up, make some noise, and then disappear. They tried to take over the Prost team after it folded at the end of 2001. But they wouldn't take no from the FIA for an answer. And no wonder, when you see who they were associated with: F1's real life Del Boy.
    But anyway, one of those mysterious stories so mysterious, most of it comes from the GP Rejects site, which is probably the best source for the full story, so thanks to them for putting it all together, as I learned a lot putting this together.
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КОМЕНТАРІ • 91

  • @TheShockninja
    @TheShockninja 2 роки тому +53

    From out in left field, Tarso Marques is actually going to run several NASCAR Cup races!

    • @williamford9564
      @williamford9564 2 роки тому +6

      I saw that today. It is with a race team that has run one race in the last five years. It has to be pay driver arrangement with Marques bringing Brazilian money to the team.

    • @mrterp04
      @mrterp04 2 роки тому

      @@williamford9564 it also has a crypto sponsor 🤔

    • @williamford9564
      @williamford9564 2 роки тому

      @@mrterp04 Who almost certainly was bought in by Marques.

    • @blackflagqwerty
      @blackflagqwerty 2 роки тому

      WTF?

    • @ImInLoveWithBulla
      @ImInLoveWithBulla 2 роки тому

      That’s all well and good, but where’s Narain Karthikeyan? 😤

  • @heliumtrophy
    @heliumtrophy 2 роки тому +46

    Walkinshaw and Briatore....if it wasn't for F1/motorsport, the amount of times they'd be done for fraud would be unparalleled. Briatore got a head start there too!

    • @vaclav_fejt
      @vaclav_fejt 2 роки тому +8

      When I looked up Briatore's wiki CV, I was amazed that people actually employed him after ~1990.

  • @ivaneurope
    @ivaneurope 2 роки тому +11

    Regarding Prost GP's final months, there an article in Unraced F1 where a potential deal with prince Khaled Al-Waleed was in place and it was almost a done deal. But then, something, something 9/11 happened and then the whole economy went into tailspin. Prost went on to blame the attacks on the World Trade Center for the deal falling apart, but in reality it was himself that was mostly to blame. Rumour has it that Altadis (owner of the Gitanes and Gauloises brands, acquired by Imperial Tobacco in 2008) and Renault were willing to come back as long as Prost wasn't involved, but Prost refused to budge. The negotiations (on top of the dealings with Diniz) dragged on and by November everthing fell apart.
    Speaking of Frentzen - he was sacked by Eddie Jordan after disagreements between the two over the team's direction. Later it was reavealed that EJ hired Takuma Sato for the 2002 season in order to keep the supply of Honda engines for 2002. But after the conclusion of the 2002 season Honda pulled out their support anyway, redirecting all resources to BAR (despite Jordan finishing 6th and BAR 8th in the constructors' standings) while also taking Sato with them.

  • @RyanHellyer
    @RyanHellyer 2 роки тому +17

    I remember around that time Tom had issues with the Holden Racing Team. He said to the press that he had not been in Australia recently as there were no problems with HRT, or financing or anything like that ... except I saw him in the airport in Australia lol. He was walking out of the business lounge with a suit on. I considered going and talking to him to ask him what was up with this teams, but decided against it in case he was sick of people talking to him.

  • @mrterp04
    @mrterp04 2 роки тому +8

    Speaking of the old Phoenix street course, I’d love to see you do a short storytime vid on how the US went without a GP for over a decade in the 90s, and how they got the deal together to run Indy (which you touched on earlier)

  • @IrishPartizan
    @IrishPartizan 2 роки тому +14

    Prost should have kept the Ligier name due to marketing and legacy purposes.

    • @mafiousbj
      @mafiousbj 2 роки тому +8

      He had so much pride he wouldn´t sell his own team when bankruptcy was imminent and lost tons of jobs in the process for his employees, do you really think he would have kept the Ligier name? (although I would have loved it)

  • @VonBlade
    @VonBlade Рік тому +4

    I always thought Walkinshaw came up with a scam where they'd use the old Prost cars (or papier mache ones), the Prost entry, some old, worthless ex-Arrows engines he had hanging around and for £2m plus £2m from Phoenix, turn up at race 1, bank the £12m constructors prize money, declare bankruptcy and everyone walks away 4m quid up.

  • @MatthewLewisAtlanta
    @MatthewLewisAtlanta 2 роки тому +7

    I'd give up a testicle just to see an actual picture of the Phoenix-Hart cars as they appeared in Sepang. (And yes I've seen the renderings of the Repsol livery and the AP05 in the wind tunnel) and at least a wad-o-pubes just to see a Team Logo or crew shirt!
    Also, I thought the cars were impounded by the Malaysian customs agency and not by the FIA.
    DART changed their name back to Phoenix just days after it was changed to DART too.
    And a DART is just a little Arrows too if you think about it! 😉

  • @nhailstone
    @nhailstone 2 роки тому +8

    Marques and Mazzacane, that would’ve had to have been in the running for worst lineup ever. It really didn’t seem at all likely that Prost would take part that year, though I didn’t expect arrows’ mid season demise.

  • @lostalone9320
    @lostalone9320 Рік тому +1

    Exposure set to "Gloom", lighting set to "blinding" 🤣 Love you buddy.

  • @ianwynne764
    @ianwynne764 2 роки тому +2

    Hello Aidan: I'm Australian living in Australia. I can remember when TWR was huge here. Thank you for making it clearer on what happened to them. Stay well and safe.

  • @skipsgolden79
    @skipsgolden79 2 роки тому +5

    I love to history of old f1 teams and well just the history of F1 overall and this was something that I actually didn’t know thought Prost had just gone didn’t realise what happened behind the scenes also what happened to you on Spotify?

  • @LightsOutLow
    @LightsOutLow 2 роки тому +1

    i remember that Burti Spa shunt. Honestly thought he was dead. The way Martin Brundle and Murray Walker kept imploring the Belgium director to *not* show replays of the crash until they knew more about Burti's condition.

  • @CHERN0BYLCH1LD
    @CHERN0BYLCH1LD 2 роки тому +3

    i was wounded by Prost disappearance of 2002 because they did have one of the best looking cars of the 1990’s-2001, The same race Burti crashed is the same race Frentzen qualified 4th but stalled at the start so i double nut punch for prost that day

  • @AntoniusTyas
    @AntoniusTyas 2 роки тому +19

    Ah yes, an (almost) remake of the Guy Ligier story. But more on Prost now. Which is a weird and effed up story in and of itself.
    Also, fun fact: Burti was supposed to be Eddie's team mate in Jaguar for 2001. That is until Gaston Mazzacane got shown the door after Imola by Prost and replaced by Burti, himself replaced by the world's greatest test driver in Jaguar.

    • @heliumtrophy
      @heliumtrophy 2 роки тому +9

      The moral of the story is it seems that it pays to be a friend of the Parti Socialiste back then as if Mitterand's got your back, everything's okay even if the car's a mess.

    • @ivaneurope
      @ivaneurope 2 роки тому +2

      @@heliumtrophy Being buddy-buddy with Mitterand came with benefits for Ligier - a socialist in his own right. Ligier was also buddy-buddy with the people at the Circuit de Nevers Magny-Cours - the reason why Magny-Cours was hosting the French GP from 1991 to 2008 (replacing Paul Ricard) was that Mitterand poured millions of French Francs not only to redevelop the track, but to also build Ligier's new factory nearby

  • @weslittlereptilefamily3418
    @weslittlereptilefamily3418 2 роки тому

    You are the best! As an American I love learning about all these bits of racing history that we don't hear much about in the States.

  • @kevinprior3549
    @kevinprior3549 2 роки тому +8

    Can you talk about when Minardi turned into Toro Rosso then AlphaTauri as they are now please?

    • @MPal24
      @MPal24 2 роки тому +2

      Not really much to tell, tbh:
      - Minardi couldn't afford to develop new engines for the 2006 2.4L V8 rules.
      - Paul Stoddart therefore wanted to sell the team to a company that could help the team progress, but without moving from Faenza. Red Bull came along and said they could do that.
      - In 2020, Red Bull decided to rename the team to Alpha Tauri as a marketing exercise for promoting their Alpha Tauri clothing line.

  • @MisatoKatsuragiHD
    @MisatoKatsuragiHD 2 роки тому +2

    Tarso Marques, the only driver who’s name wasn’t mentioned in the Formula One 2001 game by Studio Liverpool.

  • @jacekatalakis8316
    @jacekatalakis8316 2 роки тому +2

    Ah Tomas Enge the guy who handed Bourdais the 2002 F3000 title due to a...actually I don't know wtf was going on with all that. Point is. He failed a drug test. That much is fact.
    There's so much weird shit around it I feel like it'd make a good episode all on its own. The fact Enge was one of the Prost drivers in Grand Prix 4 says a lot, really.
    EDIT: Oh, and...Enge had a wild career after that, IIRC. Something something US sportscars, something something controversy.

  • @tba3395
    @tba3395 2 роки тому +1

    Story Suggestion: The Dubai F1 Team from the Mid 2000s

  • @martijnkosters9024
    @martijnkosters9024 2 роки тому

    Love stories from this time. New enough to have me following F1 on a regular basis, but old enough not to now everything about it since we didn’t use the internet on a daily basis back then.

  • @peekaboo1575
    @peekaboo1575 2 роки тому +2

    I thought the Phenix of Formula 1 that comes to people's mind was Lauda, not Grojean.

  • @surajbalajr.4016
    @surajbalajr.4016 4 місяці тому +1

    0:50 the most French thing to ever exist. Prost, Gauloises, Canal+, Peugeot, Alcatel, BiC, Total and Olivier Panis in a single car. 😂

  • @4192362
    @4192362 2 роки тому +2

    We need an Arrows Verstappen video Aiden 👍

  • @onnayoung7699
    @onnayoung7699 2 роки тому +2

    Hmmm team mate to boss seems like the thing to do in NASCAR these days.

    • @thekingmansplainer6813
      @thekingmansplainer6813 2 роки тому

      Well in NASCAR usually it's reversed. In trucks u might get someone like Kyle Busch as your boss and if your good enough you'll end up at teammates on the cup team! That's exactly what happened to both Erik Jones and Christopher Bell.

  • @racerj2.03
    @racerj2.03 2 роки тому +1

    I love the " It is I LeClair " reference. It fits the topic at hand. It's funny because everyone always knew that it was him. Great show I was surprised at It's reference it goes so far back. Just Saying

  • @reptongeek
    @reptongeek 2 роки тому

    Luciano Burti's accident really scared me back in the day. He has a picture on his Instagram of his wrecked helmet from that day

  • @areasquirrel
    @areasquirrel 2 роки тому

    More to this story than I thought. I was only 15 at the time and only had F1 Racing magazine and the ITVF1 website to go on, but the most I understood was that there was a consortium, it had 'bought' Prost and the FIA said 'hahaha, no.' I did not know about the rules about buying the entry at that point, and didn't understand how they could have turned up at Sepang, but still not have an entry according to the FIA. I also didn't know Walkinshaw was involved, he was in charge of Arrows, and that was the limit of my knowledge. Using the '98 tech is like what Super Aguri did in '06 with the Arrows chassis, except Super Aguri actually got onto the grid.
    I'm also amused at it being renamed DART, another thing I didn't know. RTE's commentators would not have taken that seriously, and neither would I. DART being the name of Dublin's electric train service, which has been in operation since 1984, and is a part of my childhood summer holidays. If it had been green instead of blue, the farce would have been complete. With the Hart engines, there would have been inevitable jokes about the car going about as fast as a DART. This phoenix's ashes were incinerated with its body, arf arf.

  • @Luke22SV
    @Luke22SV 2 роки тому +2

    So i was thinking about this the other day you read my mind 😁

  • @stephencruse6525
    @stephencruse6525 2 роки тому +1

    I loved the color of the prost cars

  • @pipimontana
    @pipimontana 2 роки тому +3

    Alain and pride in the same sentence 😵‍💫

    • @mafiousbj
      @mafiousbj 2 роки тому +1

      Imagine having so much pride that you wouldn´t sell your Bankrupt team and allow the jobs of all your employees go to waste :(

  • @caphowdy666
    @caphowdy666 11 місяців тому

    And the kinda humourous thing is, it was Walkinshaw (and Briatore) who sold the team to Prost in the first place.

  • @AnIdiotAboard_
    @AnIdiotAboard_ 2 роки тому

    Commenting before watching, I've been so waiting for this video. PLEASE let the sarcasm flow PLEASE, this was a farce of biblical proportions

  • @ivailok3376
    @ivailok3376 2 роки тому

    Both parties basically kept pulling uno reverse cards on each other until one of them couldn't take it anymore, Prost in this case. Pretty interesting story all in all.

  • @nuancedhumour
    @nuancedhumour 2 роки тому

    Aiden, can you possibly do a video on the 1994 Japanese GP? As an avid F1 fan of about 20 years, and a deep interest in history, I'm surprised that I never heard of a race decided by an aggregate race time (whatever that means). Would be a great topic!

    • @EddieVanAidan
      @EddieVanAidan 2 роки тому

      Bring Back V10s podcast has a great episode on it. Although every episode is great tbh

  • @agonzo626
    @agonzo626 2 роки тому

    I almost thought you were going to bring up the phoenix gp too with your list of phoenix’

  • @frazerguest2864
    @frazerguest2864 2 роки тому

    Would love to know more about Mark Skaife & HRT.

  • @tmcg1882
    @tmcg1882 2 роки тому

    Lovely to see Diefenbaker.

  • @imwithname843
    @imwithname843 2 роки тому +2

    Still lookin fukin good 😎

  • @fnafboy-fnafgirlssistercar685
    @fnafboy-fnafgirlssistercar685 2 роки тому

    Pictured inept ownership does exist in f1 (both prost and tom walkenshore)

  • @MattB1792
    @MattB1792 2 роки тому

    5:13 I like the dog.

  • @philipwalker1243
    @philipwalker1243 2 роки тому +1

    Love it

  • @mrwolsy3696
    @mrwolsy3696 2 роки тому

    Toms son turned a handy profit building HSV commodores (vauxhall r8, pontiac r8), still trading in Melbourne but the GM holden links are long dead now.

  • @LeMassiveNoob
    @LeMassiveNoob 2 роки тому

    Kinda weird to say that Burti was "fine", when he had a concussion and facial bruising. That crash was one of the reasons HANS was made mandatory.

    • @AidanMillward
      @AidanMillward  2 роки тому

      "fine" in that time meant "alive". Five years earlier he'd have been dead.

  • @connerluebbe2951
    @connerluebbe2951 2 роки тому

    You should do a video on the end of arrows team pretty good story

  • @minibus9
    @minibus9 2 роки тому

    great video as usual

  • @khaven1656
    @khaven1656 2 роки тому

    People watching not from the UK or being too young, not getting the 'Allo 'Allo! reference 😂😂

  • @insertgenericusernamehere2402
    @insertgenericusernamehere2402 2 роки тому

    Will you be doing a run down of testing and your thoughts of the season ahead afterward?

  • @stevenvarcoe4843
    @stevenvarcoe4843 Рік тому +1

    Thank god they were rejected by the FIA. A woefully under powered, out dated engines which wasn't even competitive in 1998/99 let alone 2002. Two very slow pay drivers and most likely a poor chassis and Areo. If they actually raced they would have been so far of the pace that they would have "matched" the performance of the Forti Course team in 1995

  • @ChrisHopkinsBass
    @ChrisHopkinsBass 2 роки тому +1

    Look up “dodgy” in a dictionary and there’s a photo of Tom Walkinshaw on the same page

  • @buddhaboy-
    @buddhaboy- 2 роки тому

    That’s obviously a Siberian husky crossed with a chihuahua🔥🏁✌️

  • @nimira43
    @nimira43 2 роки тому

    I like the wolf 🙂

  • @dingelberryhandpump7834
    @dingelberryhandpump7834 5 місяців тому

    Are you sure you and JAMES EARLY are not related
    You both look like brothers

  • @dunnwell7780
    @dunnwell7780 2 роки тому

    When he finishes the race, gets out of the car, and then lifts his helmet visor, does Charles LeClerc say "It is I, LeClerc"?

  • @3lohssvrm
    @3lohssvrm 2 роки тому

    Skaife and HRT had an agreement with Holden Motorsport for favourable costings, then TWR bought Holden Motorsport and jacked up the price. Skaife had $3.6m in debt with walkinshaw and only paid 3.2m to buy HRT from holden in the first place.

  • @AndyS-kv2jh
    @AndyS-kv2jh 2 роки тому +1

    I loved the livery on the Prost cars in ‘98 and ‘99. It’s too bad that the car was horrible performance wise.

  • @filipecoutinho5706
    @filipecoutinho5706 2 роки тому +1

    I can't believe Haas didn't sign Grosjean ...

    • @AidanMillward
      @AidanMillward  2 роки тому +1

      Because he’s tied to Indycar now…

  • @john1703
    @john1703 2 роки тому

    Ah, another example of the best way to lose a small fortune - start with a big one!

  • @MrTrick.
    @MrTrick. 2 роки тому

    I like your wolf-dog.

  • @cirian75
    @cirian75 2 роки тому

    Walkinshaw = epic shenanigans

  • @Nilns
    @Nilns 2 роки тому

    Nyyyom!

  • @brentritchie6199
    @brentritchie6199 2 роки тому

    I am pretty sure Prost had zero financial investment in the team baring his name.
    I am quite sure he was asked in an interview early in proceedings and basically said “do you think I am crazy”
    All the money was from investment with him providing the expertise.

  • @Mistertbones
    @Mistertbones 2 роки тому

    Alain Prost, a legendary race car driver, but man, what a lousy team.

  • @terminateshere
    @terminateshere 2 роки тому

    Lesson: F1 teams are for racing, not buying and selling.

  • @EddieVanAidan
    @EddieVanAidan 2 роки тому

    When I see pictures of the 2022 Williams I just think of the Prost cars

  • @klepetar
    @klepetar 2 роки тому

    Aidan..change your font..it looks terrible..

  • @LoganHunter82
    @LoganHunter82 2 роки тому

    First!

  • @sleebanger
    @sleebanger Рік тому

    good riddance to Walkinshaw.

  • @sorrynotsorry4016
    @sorrynotsorry4016 2 роки тому

    Second

  • @Sticktothemodels
    @Sticktothemodels 2 роки тому

    Third

  • @Gamebit257
    @Gamebit257 2 роки тому

    Last