FWIW, I just started uploading 1080p sources in 4k because I think YT treats it differently and it looks better, even if you are watching in 1080p. No intent to mislead. Just trying to give the viewer the best experience.
you forgot one thing - no dust on takeoff and landing. Even DJI makes enough dust to see it, but there are two massive propellers and about 100kg+ to takeoff
Before I watched your video I actually went for the clear blue sky background to do a screen capture and in the free Irfanview just did "edge detection" plus contrast increase, and a double column of modified pixels about 100 pixels wide, total, either side of the suspension cable is detectable.
At about 7:19 in your video there is a frame where it appears that cable is visible in front of the left (viewer's right) rotor fairing as a bright line against the dark metal. It could be a light flare, but seems to hold the same angle as in the other shots. Great analysis!
You are great at what you do!!! I can clearly see the column, and splice if that's what you call it. The waves are clearly not matching on that slice or column and are different to from left to right, clearly visible. I don't understand why someone or some company would even do this unless trying to scam the public or investors for money? Is that possible? To do this just for a video or views is IMO childish. Thanks for this evaluation as I was fooled at first, but this is the icing on the cake so to speak. Thanks for posting, Tom in NV
It becomes obvious all of the "flying" is a dynamic shot of someone swinging from a central point. The fans tilted opposite ways for a quick moment and there was no movement of the "pilot".
Just remember the the Mythbusters episode were they tried this. Ok, they used a combustion engine but i imagine a battery pack would bring in equal weight.
Benefit of the doubt: some footage could be from early in development before actual flight was achievable. Executives gotta go out and get funding so it very likely was a "hey Bob, I'm headin' over to Elon's for dinner, whip me something up to show what we're trying to build"
Hello all, I did wonder if it is a ‘power cord’ suspended from a jib or such like, as I would have expected a much larger battery pack, on average you need about 3-4 hp per pound of aircraft (all in weight for a helicopter ) not sure what a drone ratio is. So 140lb man = 40 hp before pack nearly 30kw’s that a lot of batteries. Just a thought
@@ParallaxEffect I don’t think it was. But UA-cam decided otherwise. I posted it around June 22 and I think copterpack thought it would make it go away. Then more vids like yours popped up and they went into spin control with that statement on their website. I’m glad that you got your through. Maybe I should repost mine on Vimeo. :).
Brilliant analysis! I might be wrong, but the motors and the props SEEM to not be enough to lift a persons weight. Not sure though, tech may have moved on a bit since ten years ago. Look at the Mythbusters JetPack episode, and more recently, the defunct Martin JetPack which took years of development and hundreds of horsepower and which ultimately failed to reach market in the end.
Send your money now before CopterPack disappears, PT Barnum approves of this vehicle. Good detective work debunking the video, I also believe the motors are too small to developed the thrust required to elevate the machine and pilot.
A safety wire would not be under tension but just short enough to catch the thing before it crashes into the ground. The wire edited away was very straight at all times which means he was hanging on it with his full weight Also the lack of visible propwash is a strong evidence that the video is a scam. At last: No one would ever choose a steep coastal cliff with incalculable turbulent winds for an experimental flight
Very deceptive. It used to be back in the day that deception and lying was much easier because of the relatively few people that would be lied to. It’s a different story now with potentially millions of people being deceived. Out of those millions there’s always people willing to investigate the potential deception.
Yep, 100% fake. I noticed the some of these things, also if you examine the helmet sometimes the decals are masked out where they hid highlights and they pop back in. If these guys are looking for start-up/VC funding, they gone about it the wrong way.
@@ParallaxEffect Yep, good call. They got an absolute ton of views, and publicity on social media and never once said it was tethered, seems very disingenuous to go to all that editing trouble. Any sites that reported about it as real are left with a lot of egg on their face..
He states on the website that the test was tethered. From website .. About CopterPack CopterPack is an electric backpack helicopter with a self-levelling autopilot. The lightweight airframe is constructed from carbon fiber honeycomb. The unique thing about CopterPack is that your body becomes part of the aircraft. CopterPack is currently in the early development stage. The recent tethered test of the prototype enabled evaluation of the flight dynamics and aircraft stabilisation.
@@madsam0320 Nice !, So its not yet a product ! I think he is just trying to get it as a kickstarter, and we all know what happens with most of those, very misleading !
Definitely fake, the motors are way too small and where are the batteries large enough for hundreds of horsepower. I did see a two prop rig like this on youtube that a woman built that powered a paraglider, it worked pretty well.
It is common for prototypes to be tethered at that stage of development. You don't want people to die. Many early prototypes, (e.g Gravity Industries) were tethered. Sure, it was bad PR move on their part to clean up the tether. But there is no magic to such a rig. It will eventually fly on it's own.
@@ParallaxEffect I think they POSSIBLY thought they would get away with it, otherwise WHY even edit? leave the wire aloe in the original video instead of editing it out. They were trying to get investors the wrong way IMO. If they had left the wire in, and stated it on their YT channel no one would be skeptical, too late now. Nice Job.
Love how everyone is calling it fake and that he’s not flying but did you ever stop to think that he really is flying it and they just edited out the safety wire just in case he had a problem he could be caught by it
Yes, I covered this in the video as a possibility. Your idea is much less likely than being fully supported, but it is possible, and not disprovable without further evidence either way.
On their site, it says "The recent tethered test of the prototype enabled evaluation of the flight dynamics and aircraft stabilization" I guess your friends did not bother to check the site...
You don't have to even look for a wire and can tell its fake. look when he lands in the dirt.. Your telling me those 2 propellers make enough lift to fly yet dont even stir up dust on the ground...hahah lolz it should be a dust storm....
"Tethered flight" does not mean SUSPENDED. It means the rotors were 100% lifting the person. He WAS flying. What it DOES mean is the power supply remains on the ground, and a power cord provides power. The purpose is to demonstrate the concept works; but the next step is to strenghthen the lift where it can lift man and power supply. This a little harder, because large batteries are heavy.
Incorrect. Tethered flight could mean a number of things. You are giving them a great deal of credit by choosing to interpret tethered as fully supported by the rotos but simply powered by a (very carefully airbrushed out line, which also seems to be always acting like a pendulum). My interpretation, another interpretation of 'tethered' is that it's fully suspended, unless they can demonstrate / prove otherwise.
@@ParallaxEffect You are choosing to interpret it this way because you are not in the field of drones. For people who are familiar with drones 'tethered' is obvious.
@@avivagreenwald1752 Surely, if you'd watched this video, you would have seen the obvious evidence of the 'photoshop' editing ABOVE the pilot, which is obviously because the copter 'tether' is suspending the craft/pilot from ABOVE.
So you think it’s possible to fully suspend and control the persons rotation (spin) with those rotors, but not JUST control their rotation (spin) while being tethered? interesting 🧐
@@ParallaxEffect without some tail to stabalize its more of a challenge, does not appear to be a physically impossible ask, the back side is not very clear. The rotors tilt which gives addition control over rotation
Ah, sorry. But then why didn't the not faked copterpack team in their not faked amazing tethered flight which was not faked, show us the tether so we can all come together and understand the meaning of not faked tethered flight which is not faked but just tethered.
@@avivagreenwald1752 show us a drone tethered directly from ABOVE whose tether is perfectly straight up from the center of gravity. Then, as icing on the cake, show that video publishers went great effort to edit out said upwards vertical tether. Then didn't mentioned it was tethered, but simply a 'first flight'. Then when someone finds the video was edited, concede it was 'tethered'. Seems incredibly like I do indeed understand the meaning of tethered flight, and am choosing to see what this is - a craft suspended in entirety by a supporting line from above. If you call that 'tethered drone flight', well, I hope I dont hire your drones, they'd be a little useless, being as the drone needs to be fully supported by a crane. I call it 'faking' flight.
@@avivagreenwald1752 Well, exactly, you just dug yourself into a bit of a hole with your argument, and proved mine. Wait, did you even watch the video? I get the feeling it might be news to you that the line copterpack edited out, does indeed stretch directly upwards from the center of gravity, UNLIKE a tethered done, and EXACTLY like something fully suspended from above. Do your research.
FWIW, I just started uploading 1080p sources in 4k because I think YT treats it differently and it looks better, even if you are watching in 1080p. No intent to mislead. Just trying to give the viewer the best experience.
interesting, and makes sense!
you forgot one thing - no dust on takeoff and landing. Even DJI makes enough dust to see it, but there are two massive propellers and about 100kg+ to takeoff
Captain Disillusion would be proud of you, great job!
Well done sir. I went looking for artefacts on the houses mistakenly thinking it would be easier to spot.
Before I watched your video I actually went for the clear blue sky background to do a screen capture and in the free Irfanview just did "edge detection" plus contrast increase, and a double column of modified pixels about 100 pixels wide, total, either side of the suspension cable is detectable.
At about 7:19 in your video there is a frame where it appears that cable is visible in front of the left (viewer's right) rotor fairing as a bright line against the dark metal. It could be a light flare, but seems to hold the same angle as in the other shots.
Great analysis!
You are great at what you do!!! I can clearly see the column, and splice if that's what you call it.
The waves are clearly not matching on that slice or column and are different to from left to right, clearly visible.
I don't understand why someone or some company would even do this unless trying to scam the public or investors for money? Is that possible?
To do this just for a video or views is IMO childish.
Thanks for this evaluation as I was fooled at first, but this is the icing on the cake so to speak. Thanks for posting,
Tom in NV
thanks for your kind words. also puzzled by their actions, we shall see!
It becomes obvious all of the "flying" is a dynamic shot of someone swinging from a central point. The fans tilted opposite ways for a quick moment and there was no movement of the "pilot".
Yeah those fan movements stood out to me too.
Just remember the the Mythbusters episode were they tried this. Ok, they used a combustion engine but i imagine a battery pack would bring in equal weight.
Wow...You nailed it. HARD ! but I gotta admit, both of you guys are GOOD
You nailed it Nick! Bob O.
What what? That's clearly air ripple from hardly wor--- hard working inverters, (and possible moon light reflected from weather balloons).
Benefit of the doubt: some footage could be from early in development before actual flight was achievable. Executives gotta go out and get funding so it very likely was a "hey Bob, I'm headin' over to Elon's for dinner, whip me something up to show what we're trying to build"
Hello all, I did wonder if it is a ‘power cord’ suspended from a jib or such like, as I would have expected a much larger battery pack, on average you need about 3-4 hp per pound of aircraft (all in weight for a helicopter ) not sure what a drone ratio is. So 140lb man = 40 hp before pack nearly 30kw’s that a lot of batteries. Just a thought
True , but why try to hide it then?
electric motors looks for no more than 1hp (750watts) each... so there is no dust no turbulence on grass or clothes
starts to explain at 3:44. thank me later
😂 sorry didn’t really edit the monologue :)
C'mon people! Let's upvote this comment!
before take off you can see some glitches or if you want to see it, a wire, in the shadow as well where you'd expect it :)
good stuff! hope this video gains traction :)
I love this. I did a video about this too but Copterpack filed a copyright strike on me and got my analysis video taken down. Great job.
How was it a valid claim?
@@ParallaxEffect I don’t think it was. But UA-cam decided otherwise. I posted it around June 22 and I think copterpack thought it would make it go away. Then more vids like yours popped up and they went into spin control with that statement on their website. I’m glad that you got your through. Maybe I should repost mine on Vimeo. :).
I’m curious though, what was the claim? and does youtube just automatically assume the claim is valid or is there some appeal / human interaction?
Brilliant analysis! I might be wrong, but the motors and the props SEEM to not be enough to lift a persons weight. Not sure though, tech may have moved on a bit since ten years ago. Look at the Mythbusters JetPack episode, and more recently, the defunct Martin JetPack which took years of development and hundreds of horsepower and which ultimately failed to reach market in the end.
Maybe rotating the blades against their gyroscopic forces would be more difficult.
This must not been received well even though this is pretty much definitive proof.
Send your money now before CopterPack disappears, PT Barnum approves of this vehicle.
Good detective work debunking the video, I also believe the motors are too small to developed the thrust required to elevate the machine and pilot.
Well done. Now post this video on there comments section over and over. So many many people are being fooled.
They themselves states in their website that it was a tethered test
They added that after my video, because of my video. Thanks for your comment !
@@ParallaxEffect They initially wanted to fool people then.
What if these were safety wires and he was actually flying?
A safety wire would not be under tension but just short enough to catch the thing before it crashes into the ground.
The wire edited away was very straight at all times which means he was hanging on it with his full weight
Also the lack of visible propwash is a strong evidence that the video is a scam.
At last: No one would ever choose a steep coastal cliff with incalculable turbulent winds for an experimental flight
Very deceptive. It used to be back in the day that deception and lying was much easier because of the relatively few people that would be lied to. It’s a different story now with potentially millions of people being deceived. Out of those millions there’s always people willing to investigate the potential deception.
100%.
I'd call that the perfect MVP :)
Love how first thing he does is down the bombastic sound carpet.
Nice work. The tether is quite clearly edited out.
Yep, 100% fake. I noticed the some of these things, also if you examine the helmet sometimes the decals are masked out where they hid highlights and they pop back in. If these guys are looking for start-up/VC funding, they gone about it the wrong way.
absolutely.
@@ParallaxEffect Yep, good call. They got an absolute ton of views, and publicity on social media and never once said it was tethered, seems very disingenuous to go to all that editing trouble. Any sites that reported about it as real are left with a lot of egg on their face..
Actually I know the pilot personally and he is the MASTER of VC funding so.... absolutely incorrect!
I really want this to be real…
good job!
He states on the website that the test was tethered.
From website ..
About CopterPack
CopterPack is an electric backpack helicopter with a self-levelling autopilot. The lightweight airframe is constructed from carbon fiber honeycomb.
The unique thing about CopterPack is that your body becomes part of the aircraft. CopterPack is currently in the early development stage. The recent tethered test of the prototype enabled evaluation of the flight dynamics and aircraft stabilisation.
they added that after my video. glad they’re coming clean. funny to go to such trouble to edit out the wire only to ‘admit’ it.
Check the archives, the statement was added after this video exposed the touch ups.
web.archive.org/web/*/copterpack.com.au/
@@madsam0320 Nice !, So its not yet a product ! I think he is just trying to get it as a kickstarter, and we all know what happens with most of those, very misleading !
@@madsam0320 this is great, thanks.
Can you do the latest Copterpack video that was filmed in November last year and see if that was faked please.
Nice detective work 👍👍👍
Definitely fake, the motors are way too small and where are the batteries large enough for hundreds of horsepower. I did see a two prop rig like this on youtube that a woman built that powered a paraglider, it worked pretty well.
The fans have only 50lbs of thrust each lol
Could be a safety tether but then why edit it out?
great job bro
Where can I buy one that is real and affordable
It is common for prototypes to be tethered at that stage of development. You don't want people to die. Many early prototypes, (e.g Gravity Industries) were tethered. Sure, it was bad PR move on their part to clean up the tether. But there is no magic to such a rig. It will eventually fly on it's own.
Why do people gotta fake it? I want the real thing. I’m gonna build this shit within the next couple years
Pity that on their website it states tethered flight test then isn't it!
Pity you didn’t read other comments or the description before you posted.
@@ParallaxEffect I think they POSSIBLY thought they would get away with it, otherwise WHY even edit? leave the wire aloe in the original video instead of editing it out. They were trying to get investors the wrong way IMO. If they had left the wire in, and stated it on their YT channel no one would be skeptical, too late now. Nice Job.
Here is me trying to order the copter pack on amazon
Love how everyone is calling it fake and that he’s not flying but did you ever stop to think that he really is flying it and they just edited out the safety wire just in case he had a problem he could be caught by it
Yes, I covered this in the video as a possibility. Your idea is much less likely than being fully supported, but it is possible, and not disprovable without further evidence either way.
Did you disable likes?
What's the point? What were they hoping to achieve?
We live in a simulation, nothing can be perfect 🤷🏻♂️
You caught them :) funny.
On their site, it says "The recent tethered test of the prototype enabled evaluation of the flight dynamics and aircraft stabilization" I guess your friends did not bother to check the site...
A real pro would have edited the whole sea :)
😂
2x 3KW motors max for 200 pounds lift off
...BAM!?... about mind set!?
You don't have to even look for a wire and can tell its fake. look when he lands in the dirt.. Your telling me those 2 propellers make enough lift to fly yet dont even stir up dust on the ground...hahah lolz it should be a dust storm....
oh common this thing can fly in principle even if for 2 minutes but it can . simple drone motors with rotors.
It was never about whether it could fly in principle. It was that it wasn’t, and they edited the video to make it look like it could.
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n1! thx!!
"Tethered flight" does not mean SUSPENDED. It means the rotors were 100% lifting the person. He WAS flying. What it DOES mean is the power supply remains on the ground, and a power cord provides power. The purpose is to demonstrate the concept works; but the next step is to strenghthen the lift where it can lift man and power supply. This a little harder, because large batteries are heavy.
Incorrect. Tethered flight could mean a number of things. You are giving them a great deal of credit by choosing to interpret tethered as fully supported by the rotos but simply powered by a (very carefully airbrushed out line, which also seems to be always acting like a pendulum). My interpretation, another interpretation of 'tethered' is that it's fully suspended, unless they can demonstrate / prove otherwise.
@@ParallaxEffect You are choosing to interpret it this way because you are not in the field of drones. For people who are familiar with drones 'tethered' is obvious.
@@avivagreenwald1752 tethered just means tied up.
@@avivagreenwald1752 Surely, if you'd watched this video, you would have seen the obvious evidence of the 'photoshop' editing ABOVE the pilot, which is obviously because the copter 'tether' is suspending the craft/pilot from ABOVE.
If you read the company's statement, they said it was a tethered flight.
Good job. Def fake
I see heat vapors from the fan pak so your conspiracy theory is wrong
Money
a machine like this is totally possible though. have you seen this video ua-cam.com/video/77uK19KxMuI/v-deo.html ? and it is seven years old.
Prob not fake, prob safety, the fact it aint spinning all crazy is wierd, any speculation as to why wire is photoshopped is irrelevant
So you think it’s possible to fully suspend and control the persons rotation (spin) with those rotors, but not JUST control their rotation (spin) while being tethered? interesting 🧐
@@ParallaxEffect without some tail to stabalize its more of a challenge, does not appear to be a physically impossible ask, the back side is not very clear. The rotors tilt which gives addition control over rotation
It's not faked. The author is unfamiliar with the meaning of a tethered flight.
Ah, sorry. But then why didn't the not faked copterpack team in their not faked amazing tethered flight which was not faked, show us the tether so we can all come together and understand the meaning of not faked tethered flight which is not faked but just tethered.
@@ParallaxEffectDo you know what a tethered flight is, when it comes to drones?
@@avivagreenwald1752 show us a drone tethered directly from ABOVE whose tether is perfectly straight up from the center of gravity. Then, as icing on the cake, show that video publishers went great effort to edit out said upwards vertical tether. Then didn't mentioned it was tethered, but simply a 'first flight'. Then when someone finds the video was edited, concede it was 'tethered'. Seems incredibly like I do indeed understand the meaning of tethered flight, and am choosing to see what this is - a craft suspended in entirety by a supporting line from above. If you call that 'tethered drone flight', well, I hope I dont hire your drones, they'd be a little useless, being as the drone needs to be fully supported by a crane. I call it 'faking' flight.
@@ParallaxEffect No, my dear. A tethered flight is tethered from BELOW to provide power. The tether is a power cord; it powers the rotors.
@@avivagreenwald1752 Well, exactly, you just dug yourself into a bit of a hole with your argument, and proved mine. Wait, did you even watch the video? I get the feeling it might be news to you that the line copterpack edited out, does indeed stretch directly upwards from the center of gravity, UNLIKE a tethered done, and EXACTLY like something fully suspended from above. Do your research.