Durston X Dome and Fire Maple G2 pot
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- Опубліковано 5 лют 2025
- Tonight I brave a storm forecast up to 55mph however I chose a lower spot to stay out of the main gusts. This doesn't go to plan.
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Good report and good call to head down before something went wrong. Gusts at 47 mph and forecasted to worsen by another 10-15 mph are certainly getting into the 'sketchy' zone for our tent. I think the X-Dome does well for a 1 kg tent but certainly isn't as sturdy as a true 4-season tent.
Good point about the guyout lengths. I'll look into adding a few more cm to the length.
@durstongear thanks dan. Yes it certainly wasn't worth pushing it beyond but good to see what it can take. The longer guy line attachments would be good for sure but I'm still loving this tent 👍
Good feedback and response 💯
@durstongear was just about to email your info email address with the link to this video and @NoviceWildCamper observation on the longer guyout loops to wrap the poles. Should have known you'd be all over it. Good video and good choice to head back down.
Cheers buddy 👍
Morning Michael, Good video, thank you, btw I like your Jacket.
@thomasowens5824 thanks buddy. Which one, wet or warm? 👍
@@NoviceWildCamperBoth, but the green one (buffalo ?) You made the right decision to bail, but it was good to see it pushed, I have been wondering how well it would stand up to our weather. Anyway mate, Merry Christmas to you and the family. X
@thomasowens5824 cheers buddy. You too 👍
Right decision made to call it. You gain nothing from risking yourself, kit or even others trying to assist you. That little tent will punch above its weight but no point abusing it. New pot looks handy with a little pouring lip on it, not seen that before.
@2pegsshort cheers buddy. Yeah it's a good tent but not storm force to that extent. Get that pot, it's awesome. 👌
Fire Maple Petrel destroys jetboil
@@NoviceWildCamper I m ordering that pot ..never heard of heat exchanger pots but like the idea I can light it anywhere without messing with a wind shield plus it used less gas . I don t normally carry cooking gear as I go ultralight extreme on my longer walks..Durstan X Mid Dyneema pro 500 gr tent ..that can stand up to same winds as the X Dome I reckon..I use strong ally trekking poles not carbon ..I don't trust carbon poles
@@stuartchester6899 fire maple make some seriously good gear. Reckon they're ahead of most with their new designs 👍
Ive some budjet tents and a hilleberg and old Saunders which ive used in some horrible scottish weather and finnish winters, and would still choose to aire on the side of caution in most wild camping scenarios, after all i want to enjoy my xamping experiences and relish another day in the hills . Great vlog 👍
My old Robert Saunders Backpacker 1 with two ally poles at the door and one small one at the bottom has easily stood up in much bigger gales than these modern tents .I used it for years in the Highlands and europe .Plus I could put put it up in 2 minutes .
@stuartchester6899 mine is the spacepacker I think it's been in mothballs for a while, it had repairs done on it at LSR in lancashire. But yes modern tentage is pretty sh1t in comparison to older gear I own. Similarly with backpacks I've purchased weight saving expensive backpacks, that seem like a good idea, but in reality, my old Vango red peril 60+10 is a god send in comparison.
Cheers buddy 👍
@@NoviceWildCamper My Robert Saunders only blew down once in the 15 years I used it and that was the gale which sank Edward Heaths yaucht in the Solent along with many others .I was camped in sandy soil on the Dutch coast near Rotterdam coming back from a bike tour .Very soft sand too which every tent would come down , even Hillebergs
Good to see you on your way up and have a natter.
I call that a successful trip, testing the gear with an easy bailout if necessary.
@sethjohnson9483 hey cheers buddy. Yeah was good to chat. I chose great mis for that very reason, easy way out 🤣 it did well in all honesty but I didn't think it would hit that hard around the east side to be fair but what doesn't kill us makes us stronger 👍 atb
Bonne video et bonne décision 👌!!
@@williamdoleans4361 thanks 👍
Good decision making all around buddy.
@EzeAdventurer cheers buddy 👍
Thanks, that was very well-reasoned and informative. For me, the whole 3 season 4 season etc descriptor doesn't go far enough, and it would be nice if tent manufacturers could produce a diagram that showed a tent's capability/vulnerability to wind from all directions 0 to 360 degrees (which, if we're honest, is what most of us have to cope with when camping). As you said, you can pitch your tent in its ideal orientation, only to have the wind shift (as they do when weather systems move...). So for me (coastal from a sea kayak these days) a tent has to be 'good enough' in any and every direction. The X Dome looks a lovely tent for certain use cases but I'm not an ultra light hiker, so I'll stick with what I've got. That 750ml Fire Maple pot will sell well I'm sure! Cheers!
@paulbradbeer3660 cheers buddy. I think apart from something like a soulo or maybe the new vern1 then you'll be hard pushed to get a real hard core 4 season tent to protect from all round side winds. I do love it though and it will be my go to 3 season tent. 👍
I must admit dartmoor is a full on adventure in the winter. I wish I could of filmed the insane conditions I had when I was younger doing ten tors training lol
It can be an absolute nightmare. And other times idyllic
Ok so ive seen a few vids of the xdome and its not been great are we giving it a fair chance its not a 4 season tent and its getting put in some terrible weather so the chances of it performing are very low. To me its a good 3 season tent and yes you get some wind in those seasons at the end of the day its a ultralight tent
@craig3401 I'd class it as a 3 plus season. Can easily cope with winter and is actually designed to take heavy snow loads so if that isn't winter what is. But yes seriously high winds isn't the right situation for this tent but it's good to test and see what it can take. Just in case 👍
@@NoviceWildCamper considering most 4 season tent are more than double the weight this seems to be holding up well
It's a super light 3 season tent ..I have a 500 gram X mid pro dyneema version strictly to keep the weight down on my big long distances walks .I f I was just getting up a hill it would not matter what weight I d carry and 20 kg pack is fine . It's a specialist tent aimed at multi day walks and around 1 kg only .
@@MrNotanybodytreble the wright and double the price if you go for a Hilleberg Unno made out of heavy weight stretchy silnylon which will add another kilo on wet night as it absorbs a lot of water . The X Dome is Silpoly .lots better material
Its never been marketed as 4 season .Go pay your £900 for 3 kg silnyon Hilleberg which becomes 4.5 kgs when its wet and is terrible for condenstaion .We know its limits and its probably around 40 mph ish similar to the X mids and thats strong enough winds for anyone to be packing up and going home
Thanks for the video. Interesting to see how the tent functions. I’m getting one too, mostly for summer camping to be honest as I have a great 4 season tent for winter use. I’m still slightly worried about the carbon poles, I wonder if Dan will bring out a alu pole set at some point?
looked rough up there, I live in the SW too and know how bad it can get up there…. Thanks. 😁
The poles do seem to fair pretty well tbh but he's the sort of guy to give options if enough ask for it.
Funny I'm up in Dorset and I got caught out in the named storm during a hammock camp. Fed up with the forecast scientists hippies getting it wrong 😂 luckily I had the Yun Chuan 2 in the boot of the car. Great stuff as always 👍
Cheers buddy. I've never known a year for named storms. Seems to get worse every year 🙄
Im still using my old well used highlander cook system, still going strong after many years use. But your cook system looks nice 👍
I have one similar but I love this one 👌
Went up kinder last weekend , got to top of ringing Rodger and bailed way too windy . Best decision you’ve made. 🦉
Got to be done sometimes. 👍
You were brave to try camping in that weather. I haven’t had chance to go out in my x-dome yet however I’m now more confident that it can perform well I bad weather conditions so thanks for that. What length are your guy lines and what did you use as I need to add these to my set up. Have a great Christmas, I look forward to your next adventure.
@michaelharrison9445 cheers buddy. Youlll love it, it's a decent tent. guylines are 4m and dyneema. 👍
I'm just very curious what other ultralight tents would behave like in this weather. BA Copper Spur, MSR Hubba Hubba, the Nemo stuff... I had my BA Copper Spur out in storm Kathleen in April '24, somewhere around Loch Laggan. Spot was only moderately sheltered. The poles bent inwards significantly, but the tent survived in the end! Of course I have no idea what the wind speed was in that spot that night... MetOffice says about 50 mph max in that region, but I guess the slightly sheltered spot meant we experienced a bit less than that.
@jorisev there's been quite a few wind tests but without real life conditions it's hard to gauge. My life outdoors did one on a roof rack on his car but I don't see that as real life in any way but maybe on a 360 degree turning table in a wind tunnel which I believe nordisk do then its a tough one.
@@NoviceWildCamper I agree, I saw the roof rack test - looked fun but it is far from real conditions. Of course we never planned on camping in storm Kathleen, it was just bad luck with timing whilst doing the East Highland Way. If you actually expect conditions like this, you don't take an ultralight tent! Someone in the group had a Gossamer The Two, she was awake all night holding up the trekking poles 😂
@@jorisev 🤣 I know that feeling. 40mph in a lanshan 😬
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Thanks
Good point about the length of the guy line tabs , they could do with being about 10mm longer. I always tie my guylines with a figure of 8 knot on the tab and they never come off and cannot be shaken lose. I have been a massive fan of the petrel 600 pot with the Soto windmaster stove since i discovered it and before that i always swore by the MSR windmaster but thats gone now . I do notice that you can see a lot of the flame splaying out from the sides of the heat exchanger but looking at your 700 ml version that extra width looked like it has taken up that extra flame and used it to good effect if you boiled that water in 45 secs, Is it much heavier than the 600 pot ?
@Olan... just over 20g heavier so not much. Plus you can get it with a neoprene sleeve to keep it warm and yes i noticed the flames coming out the sides of the 600ml before too. I tend to turn it down a bit but on this it was fine even on full power 👍
@@NoviceWildCamper I will have to cut my toe nails in that case to negate the added weight 🤣I will have to get one because i can see it saving on some gas with that added efficiency. Thanks for the reply 👍
@Olan... 😂👍
Are the storms getting worse in the UK. I understand named storms are to make people aware of their severity. Your campsite area is so open to the elements. The wind speed was crazy…you wouldn’t have been able to sleep even if you retied the guy line. Hopefully you'll get to do a snow camp..take care, stay warm and Merry/Happy Christmas
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@suebrown3465 we're seeing more and more named storms every year now. This year we've had 12 i believe. Thanks and I hope you have a great one too 👍
fair point about the trekking pole with the tent. i think pyramid tents are so strong in wind because the 360 degree geometry coupled with almost all of the force being exerted down the pole, as opposed to the flexing of the side (like snapping it with your knee) like in the x-dome.
46 mph is 74 kph! not just gale force...strong gale force winds! 3 more levels and you hit hurricane!
strong gale force: Structural damage occurs, such as chimney covers, roofing tiles blown off, and television antennas damaged. Ground is littered with many small twigs and broken branches.
on a random note: i've looked into carbon staffs before and they are not like wooden staffs which arent prone to snapping from a side on force..
Yeah it did pretty well bearing in mind it's not really designed for those winds but I just didn't want to wreck my tent 👍
@@NoviceWildCamper i wonder if theres a market for a youtube channel to test every tent to utter destruction. hehe. the natural inclination is to run for the hills because it costs a lot of money and risk.
you could be the mr beast of the tent world
😂 sp long as someone else pays for the tents 🤣
@@NoviceWildCamper speak to red bull or something so you can wind tunnel all the tents on a rotating platform to simulate 360 degree winds. take a whole bunch of tents down to test and fully anchor them all out over a 3 hours video. could go through all the major tents and some other tents for the lolz.
that would be the formula one of tent channels.
maybe even start off taking really crappy tents and testing those first for the lolz.
i presume wind tunnel hire is well expensive.
@PHYSIZIST wouldn't even know where to begin or get the time 🤣
Oh, I miss Dartmoor! But not in those conditions 😉
It's rarely normal 🙄
It’s the new nortent.!!!
@@bernardscott1783 😂
@@bernardscott1783 bollocks!
No shame Michael on being safe, you get to fight another day. I think as an idea you should pitch several tents in bed weather to see how they behave.
At the same time? Hard enough getting one back down in that weather 😂
@NoviceWildCamper Yes, you and a few of the gang. Ideally others who enjoy the great outdoors too and can give an honest appraisal.
@leonardmcdermott7703 be a difficult mission trying to get together though, my local camping mates are useless. They always blow out last minute and haven't got the right tents to compare really.
@NoviceWildCamper There's your answer, invite a few subscribers and do a full gear review from old equipment to modern stuff. Either way Michael enjoy the holiday and thank you for providing a wonderful channel, regards Leonard.
@leonardmcdermott7703 thanks buddy. Might be worth a try. I've got a few mates scattered round the country with various tents that I might be able to get together as well at some point. Have a good Christmas 🎄👍
😂 I've never been so excited about a pouring spout.
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I don't think I'll ever understand why so many people think a lightweight tent needs to be set up in conditions like that.
I've been out in the middle of summer and had 40mph winds come out of nowhere on dartmoor. Things happen so it's good to know what it can handle.
Carbon treking poles are easier to snap than an ally pole .They are not reliable .This tent needs a full check with ally poles and all guide lines sorted and deep pegs but so far no ones managed it to see out the night , but even Hillebergs would get blown over in a named Storm .Storm Darragh hit the South West with stronger winds and 77 mph was recorded .I have two carbon framed bikes and carbon frames will break very easy in a fall to the ground
@@stuartchester6899 so it begs the question, why did you buy two carbon framed bikes?
I’ve been riding carbon mtb bikes for years. They are tough, had many offs and never damaged a frame from a fall. 😀
@@NoviceWildCamperused frames and a bargain with top class equipment screwed on to them .😮
@stuartchester6899 but if they break then why buy them?
@@NoviceWildCamper They are very easy to break in falls and crashes unlike alluminium or titanium .I personally am very unlikely to fall off and never have .I don t lock myself into the pedals which makes it far more likely to hit the floor harder . I m not involved in racing .They are about 1 kg lighter frames and weight is important , but in trekking pole tents they can really bend and snap a lot easier .In bad windy weather in a 3 season tent going out in a gale with carbon trecking poles as back up they are not suitablle .The main frames in carbon would be a lot stronger if they were threaded through sleeves rather than hanging at stress points which create much more bending
do you think the X-Dome is overrated?
@benedikthassel I think people have positioned it at a higher point that it was aimed at tbh and that's not a fault of the tent.
I keep seeing review after review of tents that are totally unsuitable for storm, or even semi storm conditions.
All brands of tents, including snobby, overrated Hillebergs flapping around like flags.
There seems to be more brands and gimmicks out there than ever before.
Your life could literally depend on your tent, so it needs to inspire confidence.
One of my tents is a 30 year old North Face Tadpole, and I would trust my life in it in any conditions, anywhere.
But if these tents weren't tested then we wouldn't know what ones to trust with your life
Just noticed, the current tadpole uses the same Easton carbon fibre poles
@@NoviceWildCamper Most tents you can tell instantly before you take it beyond the garden , despite any manufacturers claims.
No one mentioning the whatever the fk that decided to spawn in in the background @1:05 and did weird shit for the next min..?
That's a mast
@NoviceWildCamper copy, spoke to a chick I know familiar with the area and confirmed. Noted the red lights later in the vid reflecting such as well. Thanks dude. 👌 Shame the tent didn't hold up. I'd imagine a change to non lightweight poles would alleviate the issue but as it stands there's better suited options for sure. Good vid as usual m8 🤌
Here we go..now we are talking this is where it's at. I'm here I'm ready to watch. You what
😂 cheers buddy 👍
Carbon trekking poles lose their strength and become brittle in lower temperatures.
Would that be the same with the carbon poles on the tent? Saying that it didn't really get that cold on this camp. Maybe 5 degrees.
@@NoviceWildCamperinteresting that the tent has carbon poles. Not sure about the temperatures that affect them but to be safe I use aluminium poles this time of year. You never know what the temp is going to fall to.
@@NoviceWildCamper I asked Easton about the effects of cold on the tent poles. They said they use the same carbon poles for the USA military and rate it for use down to - 40 C. They indicated it didn't change much with temp but didn't give any specifics. It sounds like the strength is not the different, but the consequences of it breaking would be a lot more serious in those temps.
I read that the epoxy becomes less flexible in colder temps but again I suppose it depends on the weave type and structure of the carbon
@@durstongearJust to be safe I have always taken manufacturers claims with a pinch of salt.
If out on a multi day trek, predicting good weather for the entirety is really a crap shoot. Thus, that tent that you may think will be just fine for the planned fair weather, may not be capable of handling the elements when mother nature decides to do her thing. Therefore, being prepared is just that, being prepared. Not gonna sugar coat this, but this would not be a tent I would bet my well being on... Spending a few extra dollars/quid/euros, and carrying the added weight is all our personal choices, but this is my choice for sure. Buying a tent that does not fail, that is my objective. Buy once, cry once, and not have the burden of worry that mother nature may not be always so kind, but my only burden is carrying a few extra pounds, my best insurance policy.. Comfort. Safety. Reliability. Long term endurance. Peace of mind is priceless. No, I would not consider this tent as an investment. I see this as a failure waiting to happen...
I do think this is a good tent when compared to many out there on the market at the same price bracket but I see where you're coming from.
I understand buy once cry once but that isn't really the issue here. The issue is understanding your equipment, it's intended use, and the conditions in which you will be using it. This tent is designed to be light weight and used in sheltered conditions. Yes, it can take some abuse but if you intend to do true exposed, alpine, or 4th season camping this is not the tent for you. It's the same thought process as a sleeping bag. If you bring a 50° bag on trip where you expect the temps to be 15° and the actual temp ends up being 5° and you are cold, did the bag really fail? Or was it just the wrong gear for the conditions?
It's a T3 season tent FFS!
@jimtolan7967 its designed to take snow loads. Don't get snow in 3 seasons. Anyway, I made it completely clear that's its a 3 plus season tent in my first video. And I think you get wind outside of winter season? 4 season simply means that the fly goes to the ground to stop snow coming under. Not much else in it.
@NoviceWildCamper you purposely set off in winter conditions with a 3 season shelter so if it lets you down, who's fault is it? I would not have set off with any 3 season shelter in the conditions you did and expect it to be ok! This tent has already been shown to stand up to severe conditions if it's setup and guyed out properly ( see Andy Beavers). But it isn't meant to be used like that!
@NoviceWildCamper solid inner, thicker poles, heavier materials? There's a tad more to a 4 season tent than flysheet height me thinks!
If you watched the whole video I clearly said it was my fault and not the tent. Either way, Andy beavers had high winds and snow. It worked. 👍
Physically the only difference to a 3 or 4 season is the fly going to the ground. Chinese manufactures call 4 season if the inner is solid. That doesn't make it 4 season. I've used sp called 4 season tents that I wouldn't take out in high winds or snow and as I said, this is designed to take snow. Which you generally only get in the fourth season. Either way, it's a good tent and I've never said it was a 4 season but then again, I've camped all year round in 3 season tents so no reason why you couldn't in this.
Stick to the taiji 1 mate
You stick to it, if you ever get out camping 😂
@@NoviceWildCamper are you planning to do any follow up videos on the Taiji 1 or did you only have it for the initial impressions? I'm after a small freestanding (mostly) tent and the Taiji looks like it would fit the bill but I know the Taiji 2 wasn't great in the wind, wondering if the 1 being smaller would fair better.
I am but when I get the chance. Be interesting to see if the 1 is better than the 2 in winds but hard to judge that without putting them side by side.
Can a 230g gas canister, the green peak stove, and the gas can stabilizer all fit in the pot together at once for storage/transport?
Not really. The stove is a bit of a squeeze as well for the lid to close although it almost does so the bag holds it all together but for it to fully shut youd need a smaller stove.