BMW M340d or M340i - Which one is Best? 2021 M340d Touring Review.
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BMW M340i or BMW M340d? I had the keys to this BMW M340d Touring for a week, I figured I would try and answer that question. Have a great Christmas everyone. ❤️
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Thanks once again for the support this year everyone, sending lots of love over this "festive" period ❤️
i live in Portsmouth which is also a tier 4 area like yourself in London. We cant travel meet anybody or have anybody come round so a very much quarantine Christmas and time
Would you consider drag race it against Mat and the m340i? Cheers and Marry Xmas :)
What do you think you’d buy? The BMW M340d Touring or the Audi S5 Diesel Avant? That would be a good video!
LEt's be honest. If you're looking for a 340d, you don't buy it for sport performance. Even though it can be extremely fun on a mountain road, the porpouse of this car is to commute like a boss in style, comfort and quality. Now, getting 52mpgs on a 340 is AMAZING. I own a 2014 318d manual and I've been able to get it to 62-63mpgs on a long drive...and that's a car with "only" 140bhp and a 2.0 liter engine. 6 years later you can get close to that efficiency in a much more powerful car. I love this!!
Merry Christmas to you too, Joe. Here's to 2021 being a better year for us all.
Thank you buddy ♥️
Just watching this video and I’ve stumbled across your comment…2021 for sure hasn’t been any better for us all. Still hope you’re alright man. Same obviously goes for you, Joe!
Shame Joe can't for whatever reason get a B3 Touring on the channel. Having driven the RS4 and the M340i, would really be interested in what he thinks of the B3 Touring.
According to BMW Website in Germany the difference betweenthe weight of those two cars is "only" about 75kg. 1880kg for the petrol an 1955 for the diesel.
Thanks for sharing such good reviews with us ;) and always interesting to see how the optional packages and the base version differ from market to market
That amazing B57 has been powering Police forces daily for year's.
Diesels are hated and despised by the greeneys and Boris's mob, but they make perfect sense for so many reasons. Cheers Joe. Here's to 2021 being a better year for everyone. Best wishes mate. x
Hi Joe, here are the correct weight figures straight from the BMW Deutschland website: 340i x-drive touring: 1880 kg, 340d x-drive touring: 1955 kg. So the difference is definitely not 200 kg but merely 75 kg! And a merry X-mas to you and family......
I guess that means the 48v mild hybrid kit has added about 100kg to the car.
That's very interesting........335d Touring is 1,735kg with 313bhp. I don't think there will be much difference in performance between this and the M340d? The M340d has the mild hybrid extra weight......I wonder if adaptive dampers add much weight? Not sure? I think a pan roof does?
@@PetrolheadTours From what I can gather the weight penalties on the F30 were more or less:
- Hybrid 60Kg
- AWD 75Kg
- Diesel (N57 vs B58) 85Kg
So those figures he quoted are probably comparing a RWD B58 without hybrid system to an AWD N57 with hybrid system.
I hopped into my first BMW touring back in 2013. Since then I have purchased two and the M340d is in the pipeline for March 2022. It is a glorious car with the traction and handling of a truly exemplary vehicle. The bit BMW have got right is that many former M3 drivers (myself!) 20Y ago today still want the practicalities, style, tasteful design and performance with our maturing age. It has everything alongside a stylish and great looking car.
I have a F31 330d and i can say that it does everything right. I had friends in my car and they didn't believe me when i said them it was a diesel engine. I love that car it's practical and fun to use: it's the perfect daily. Plain and simple.
I already know i'll take a G21 as my next car.
G21 330d?
I’ve recently bought a 2018 530d m sport touring after running a 2016 330d touring for 12 months ... I like the 5 series it’s a good car but I will be buying a new model 330d/340d touring once they’re 2 years old and dropped in price a fair bit .. the bmw tourings do everything I need a car to do .. they’re smooth quick enough and reasonably economical.. great vid btw 👍
Yes Joe great vid. The 340d has to be the one for me
It will smoke the majority of people whilst being a total wofter and munching miles
Yeah it's a hard choice, but the diesel is just sooo effortless everywhere, very relaxing to live with 👌
I'll take a petrol. Nothing as nasty and rough as a diesel engine, and let's face it with a modern transmission you're never in the wrong gear for more than a split second which makes performance in gear moot.
@@gottliebdee263 You can hardly describe a modern performance diesel engine as nasty and rough. They are super smooth and refined compared to what they were even 10 years ago.
@@gottliebdee263 eh, a 6cyl diesel will be less rough than a 4cyl petrol. A bmw diesel is a work of magic.
@@hello7533 yep my 6 cyl twin turbo diesel it’s a miracle. Insane torque and mpg. At simple stage one that it’s cheap and doesn’t bother the car you get brilliant results. Petrol it’s for pops and bangs 😅 Doubt many people track 340i
Just ordered an m340d saloon in mineral white. I haven't driven one, don't need to, I can tell from your review that I won't be disappointed. Can't wait for delivery this Friday!
Beautiful car. I love the 3 series touring variants.
Joe, my grandfather was chauffeur to Cary Grant, that and the love for BMW brought my appeal to the channel. It must be tough dealing with the hand that 2020 dealt you, sadly I don’t see business travel getting back to where it was. Thankfully we have been here for you in ever increasing numbers, supporting the channel. I am sure 2021 will see your channel grow and do much more to support you. Hopefully Brexit will not harm your ability to make content in Europe. Have a great Christmas and best wishes for the New Year.
Thank you Steve, very kind words mate! Awesome to hear about your grandpa, it's been a dying trade for a few years now, C19 put the nail in the coffin. Appreciate your support, looking forward to making more content next year! Cheers and have a great Christmas! 🎄
A much more objective review than we got it in Germany. Here it‘s all about 0-100 or top speed… thx a lot!
I love the dark blue/black rims spec. What a dream car !
WE ALL love the 340i because of the noise, engine smoothnes and stuff but for a REALISTIC and long term usage without hurting your wallet, 340d is the real deal, can't deny that !
Sorry to hear about your business. I found your channel a few weeks ago and your personality is made for this. I love watching your videos, very insightful. Keep doing what you are doing and you will leave 150k in the dust in no time.
Merry Christmas from Germany. I like your tests and tomorrow i will get my 340ix G21 in oxidgrey 😜
When you can shop a car in this segment, go for the petrol. Back in the days where petrol cars had a major fuel consumption over the diesel it will be a discussion. But nowadays that B58 will consume between 8.5 and 10 liters..
Go for the petrol and you will not regret, and you get the sound to.
I’ve you’re in for a x5 or something heavy I should take the diesel because the low torque and the fuel benefit will be al lot bigger in that type of car.
Merry Christmas Joe.
I have gone from 320d to 325i to 340i . The 340i petrol is smooth quiet frugal and huge fun with great sound . My garage told me to avoid diesel as I do a lot of town work . Two close friends with 30k on their diesels have both had to replace DPF after 3 years and it is Bank breaker . Petrol all the time for me . Mine was a pretty reg 340 touring shadow i from dealer 26 miles on the clock for £25 k a great deal 12 months ago.
Congrats for your huge success on UA-cam this year. Really enjoy your content and glad there is more coming in 2021!
Nice video Joe, I like the final verdict where you said the m340d is better up to 7/10th, and the m340i is better after that, but in my opinion it still is far from a 10/10th car. So my conclusion is that the m340d is better almost all the time, and that's what matters as there are no perfect solutions. Between the two I would take m340d, enjoy the strong relaxed performance and 600 mile range.
M340i for a fun utility car. M340d for long distance road trips for me.
It would be a 340i for me. A mix of town and motorway driving (pre COVID-19) and about 10k miles. Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year Joe, great video, as ever.
With the descent to soulless electric power well underway - 100% 340i for the sound - economy just won’t make much difference for the miles I cover so quite possibly my next car :)
The old saying... I cover less miles so I will get the petrol doesn't make sense. The diesel will be cheaper to run in every scenario.
Great review as always Joe. I’ve had my M340i Touring since June and love it. I agree with your view that it really is all the car you need. The D wasn’t an option at the time I placed my order, but after having several diesel SUV’s I was really keen to get a petrol car while you still can. I totally agree with your summary. I think the D makes more sense if you do a lot of miles but for me fuel cost isn’t a big issue. Hope you have a great Christmas and sorry to hear the chauffeur business is closing down, but hopefully this will free you up to do take your channel to the next level. All the best.
Best colour combo (with silver wheels) for the new M3 I think....
That’s the beauty about Diesel motors, they are much more economical with more torque and last much longer then the Petrol cars.
I like Mercs
Watching this again on smart tv because you make sense and so do the cars we choose . Biggest silent supporter since early. Hollywood will still want that voice over . Best of British! Someday a colab with those Ontario boys would be fab. U could teach them a thing or two
Haha thanks bro appreciate the very kind words! Happy new year!
I have just gone from a M140i to a M340i touring and it's an amazing car,. I wouldn't consider a diesel though
Interesting as I am keen on the M340i and think I will stick to that decision. Feel the residuals on petrol might be better then diesel too. As long as my dog is happy in the back!
Great review as expected on this channel! :)
I drive a poorman's M340d - a facelift F31 335d and I absolutely love it, good spec and a few choice mods make them a very capable car in any weather (agreeably not as engaging to drive as the petrol equivalent) but what a mix of practicality and driving pleasure while being fairly easy on the wallet and reliable.
At third of the price of M340d I'm not even jealous despite a few trade-offs (interior is quite a step up, more rear bias in M340d, overall better suspension, more power from factory, rear seats don't fold via a button).
Just throwing it out there as an option for people that don't want to part with £600 on bank's car every month. ;)
I also got the 335d F31, such a solid car. Super sweet in every driving situation, also on the Autobahn!
This is the point I'm trying to make in some other comments.....realistically the general concept of the M340d has been available to us for quite a few years with the 335d.
Great review Joe as always! 😍 Do a review on the new Alpina B3 next if you can!
Thanks buddy! Until things in the UK change with ALPINA, there wont be any on my channel, still my favourite brand though!
@@JoeAchilles1 Oh I see! Too bad! May I ask what happened with Alpina in the UK?
For starters they're both amazing cars. If I'd had to chose one of them, I'd go for the 40d. Let's be realistic, in day to day driving you mostly use the lower and mid rev range. Hence it's better to have an engine with a big amount of torque, and of course being a diesel it will be more economical. On the other hand what's not to love about the sound of a 6 cylinder petrol engine albeit having turbos.
Interesting to note your comments regarding tyres, I’m now on my second M340d saloon (I absolutely love this car btw), the first of which was on Bridgestones, which for the four months I had it from the end of July I felt were pretty unflappable, the new one is on P-Zeros which for the first 5-600 miles in admittedly horrible December conditions have been fairly horrendous, they tramline all over the place, have nowhere near the same levels of grip and the steering is fussy at best, tbf this has improved significantly with miles and I get the impression they’d be much better suited to the summer conditions.
To answer the weight questions BMW list the following in KG’s for kerb weight without driver;
340i. 1735 saloon & 1805 touring
340d. 1820 saloon & 1880 touring.
Great video & Merry Christmas 👍
I love the 340d so much that I’ve just changed my 2020 340d msport for the new 2024 340d msport. I believe the dealer told me this was the last of the diesels hence the upgrade.
It's a good argument to be honest. If you had asked the same question 20 years ago, between the naturally aspirated Straight 6 and the 3.0d i think the answer would have been a lot easier. These days I feel like petrol and diesel have grown closer in character over the years, both now have a turbocharged power delivery, both are automatics, the petrol's advantageous "song" whilst still nicer than the diesel has been muted over the years with GPF and turbo etc...they are more similar than they have ever been imo.
I don’t know what about you, but it feels a bit awkward buying an expensive diesel in 2021 when everything goes electric and some big manufacturers stop producing diesels at all(like Volvo). Imagine desperately trying to sell this car(340d) in like 4-5 years for 40-50% of car initial value. Would that be possible? If not - that hell a lot of depreciation to handle
One of my favorite UA-camr reviewing two of my favorite cars on the market right now
Great video Joe! M340d for me. Sorry to hear about your business probs in 2020 but I’m in no doubt you’ll be doing what you love doing in the coming years.....a top UK car reviewer snapped up by one of the TV channels 👍
Hoping to place an order with Berry in Jan for an M340i. Thanks for your amazing vids Joe! Always super useful 👍👍👍
Thanks Joe for consistently producing excellent content throughout such a challenging year. It’s clear to see why your channel goes from strength to strength. Look forward to a much better 2021 & have a great Christmas.
I was curious about the weight, so I actually looked it up on the internet. The latest official data from BMW are 1955 kg for M340d touring and 1880 kg for M340i touring (EU weight, so already with 75 kg of load). So not 200 kg of difference, but still quite a gap, and mainly - nearly 2 tons in a 3 series is simply a lot... And just for interest, apparently the M340i was 1845 kg before, so I guess the 48V system adds 35 kg. Merry Christmas to you and let's hope that there are better things waiting for us in 2021 :)
Cannot wait for these to hit under £25k. Whichever does 1st is the one il have 🤣😆
I’d guess you’ll only have to wait 1-1.5 years max. All the dealer pre regs they do to hit volume bonuses will continue to depress the used car market for stuff like this.
Won’t happen until the next gen comes out or really high mileage, I’m talking 50,000+ miles, or bare car with zero options I know UK market still does poverty version cars even for performance model
@@Tomoyo0827 Thats not entirely true. Most of these should become roughly 25k in about 4 years or less. Nearly new high spec ones are a touch under £40k already - and new ones have very heavy discounts being applied if buying outright
@@Tomoyo0827 you can already buy an M340i with 7k miles on it for £35-36k. Just look at the current 340i for time frame. Another year. Same with all cars.
@@RobE8475 Correct
Another fantastic and informative video Joe. Thank you. PS I prefer Diesel to Petrol any day!
I wish we got the touring variant in the U.S. - I've always loved these, as a do-all sporty hauler.
Either of these would be a dream for me. Would prefer the petrol but both are exactly what I would want for a family car
Hi Joe, I'm really sorry to hear about the chauffeur business going down. I can sort of feel the pain as I cabbied/chauffeured an E39 530d for 12 years. On your advice I bought the G30 530d xdrive which I have had now for over 2 years and everyday love it more and more. Done my own coding and maintenance and bought the highest spec available. I hope the channel is enough to keep you in the standard of life you are comfortable with. Best of luck for the new year , let's face it, it can't be worse.
Get it mapped, had mine done and it's running 350bhp 780nm :)
Another great video. Merry Christmas, Joe, and all the best for 2021. Having switched from a 435d (also in Tanzanite!) to an M4, I would agree the ‘big six’ diesel with X-drive and switchable auto is a superb all-weather machine. It’s a great powertrain. Fast, economical, smooth and very under-rated. The Touring just adds huge practicality.
m340i 1845kg
m340d 1955kg
540i 1925kg
540d 2000kg
All in estates. So I think you're right, the MHEV system is not a part of the weight in M340i yet. Still crazy that the 3-series is so heavy.
Your eating miles up in the M340d with ease.......can you imagine driving to the French Alps in winter in a fully specced M340d Touring! 😎🙏👌
Thanks for the video Joe and Happy Christmas. Seems like a great car, but prices seem to have risen faster than my pay! I picked up a year old 335d touring for £25k it seems like a big jump to what is effectively the successor to my car.
That's a great video, Joe and having had the fabulous E60 535D for 4 years, I can imagine what a fantastic machine the M340D must be. And, Merry Christmas and a happier, better 2021!
Why people buy SUVs when there’s epic estate cars out there I love estate cars would never have a bloody SUV great video happy Christmas from Australia 🇦🇺
STUPID QUESTION, no worries I’m here to help you. Ground clearance, higher sitting/driving position, side sills covered by doors, because they like the look of it etc.
Happy New Year Joe.....another great video. The fuel consumption figures are mind blowing for a heavy 6 cylinder estate👌🏼
Joe any chance couple drag races including 330e... probably boring but intresting if you could... 330i 320d
Brilliant video as always. Absolutely love the idea of this car and would have one in an instant. The 6pot Diesel engines bmw make are brilliant, reliable and pokey. The don’t sound half bad from the inside either. I have a 330d m57 on 181k and will still pull and pull whilst giving good mpg on a run.
I would also quite happily take a 340i for the sound alone and the tunability of the b58, just couldn’t warrant the fuel costs doing the job I’m doing, but would consider it otherwise.
Very much looking forwards to the videos you bring in the future 😊
In 2020, Joe's channel has been so good, and this video is the perfect example of that. It is brilliant.
Despite the "difficulties", there was a silver lining, and I am really glad I could get my dose of great BMW videos (and decent Audi's 😉).
The coming weeks will most likely be challenging for the South of England. Maybe it is an opportunity for some Live videos...
Haha thanks for the VERY kind words as usual mate! And yes, I have been thinking about a Live video or two 😉♥️👊
@@JoeAchilles1 Thank YOU. You do all the hard work and I/we, the viewers, only put down a few words once in a while.
About the Live, excellent, can't wait 👍
Don't know the meaning of challenging
Great review Joe. Sorry to hear about the business, all the best for 2021. So I reckon if you’re into sporty cars and it is going to be your only car, you’d have to go for the M340i. In general though, I don’t think estate cars need to be fast - they are for practicality, comfort and economy to me. That said, if you need 1 car to do everything, I can see the point. For 60k you could have a good sports car and a good practical car, so think that’s the route I’d usually take.
Brilliant review as always. Definitely need to do a collab and do a Top Gear style race this vs M340i long distance race including lap of the Ring and back👍🏻 Merry Christmas Joe, all the best
This is the test I've been waiting for! Thanks for ending the year with another great video!
I’m just about to replace my 2018 440i Coupe (been so brilliant with perfect build quality and reliability) with a M340i as I hate the ugly grille on the new 4-Series. I’ve gone for a Tanzanite Blue, black leather with sunroof, Cerium Grey alloys, Comfort Plus Pack, Technology Pack, Visibility Pack and blue brake callipers.
I would definitely choose this or the M550D as a daily!
@@backdoorbursta2866 currently daily driving a 530 mate and I love it.
200KG difference, wow. Not great news about the business but good news this is providing enough for you. I think I'd opt for the petrol but would take a great deal on the diesel.
Great Vid Joe - Ive got a 330D M-Sport X-Drive Tourer, absolutely love it..... from strong MPG to strong performance (when needed) + carrys the family, pets and bikes - What more could I want from a car! My PCP is ending in Oct 21, so keen to avoid the trend of moving to an SUV - I love the fast, nimble estates. Thinking I might go same again with an 18mth old 330D from BMW dealer, think the added weight/performance of the 340D a little excessive. Thoughts? Cheers Stanners
I love this car. It’s funny that all British car UA-camrs now seem to be using „Harry‘s road“
I've been using that road since 2017, it's 25 mins from where I live.
joe all the best going forward- looking forward to the next video
Thank you buddy 👊
Merry Christmas Joe from Portugal, and a fantastic 2021... keep on the good work on this channel!!!
Thanks for the review Joe, as usual quality content.
Happy Holidays my friend.
🍾🥳🤗💜
Thank you and same to you, appreciate the support! ♥️
Mr. Wolf, what is Happy Holidays ???, I hope you wanted to say Merry Christmas to Joe !!!. Greetings from Poland.
@@waldemarkacprzak3382 As you probably already know, there are allot of different beliefs on this plane, and I do consider that not everyone is celebrating the Christmas as you do, therefore I wish everyone happy holidays, including you, buddy 🥃
Great video Joe. I can't believe you sat on that dirty bumper at the start then sat on that ivory leather though haha! I was looking at these models, in the end I bought an F82 M4 Comp.
Great to finally see a M340D review on UA-cam. It’s a really difficult choice as there is so much negativity about Diesels at the moment. Really wonder what sort of depreciation you will see on a diesel say in 3yrs time. Imagine most will invest with PCP so that does take some of the risk away vs. Resale value. Have recently seen some 340i under 40k on the 2nd hand market so they are slowly coming down in value on the used market.
The health risks from diseasal were known from the outset, if you are not sure about this get in touch with Prof Stephen Holgate. No one should be buying diseasel
Great car but seriously the days of 30k + cars are for the masses are long gone. Personally I’d go for the 340i touring.
Definitely think the diesel suits the big fast estate, plenty of speed with amazing economy can’t go wrong (and plenty of tuning opportunities)
Sponsored by New Balance as well, Joe? They are great trainers!
Haha I wish! I did contact them earlier this year, but nobody got back to me.... 🤣🤷
@@JoeAchilles1 ... Keep "gently" prodding them Joe... you make their product look good on the screen so there's go to be a decent return for them on here. ATB
I have m340i and honestly nothing comes near it Absolutely a machine it is and i can imagine how naughty this m340d is as previously ive had 330d and that was very quick. Personally in my m340i im getting 70/80 miles on 20 litres local / motorway.
Happy Christmas Joe, keep up the hard work, it’s much appreciated.
Absolutely awesome channel Joe have throughly enjoyed your superb content this year so here's to 2021... Im looking to jump ship to BMW from my Golf R 7.5... stay safe and all the best for the future....
Happy Holiday Joe, thanks for bring a lot of joy in 2020, hope 2021 will be better for you
The 340D weight, wow, wow, wow.... 1950kg definitely 340i way to go. Nice video cheers Joe.
The challenge will actually be to convince my employer for a 320d or a 330e.
Happy Christmas Joe. Thanks for the videos keeping us all entertained during this challenging year. Sorry to hear about the business. Here’s to everyone having a happy, healthy and prosperous 2021.
Best diesel car ever made
Must be up there!
Interesting! wanna present your analogy?
Well I'm more than happy with my f30 335d so far
@@trevorshields7347 Who cares?
Nice test and both cars are absolutely brilliant! However when I have to choose I would take the M340d. It has much more torque in the important lower rpm range and it has a much better fuel efficiency. The sound? Well, the sound of the M340i is not very spectacular anymore. New noise regulations and the particle filter killed it and the Diesel doesn't sound very bad compared to that. By the way I drive at the moment a 125d Automatic as my winter car (260 HP) and a M140i (420 HP, without particle filter, hand shift, Remus exaust, HJS Downpipe and some other things ;)) as my summer car. I like really to drive also the diesel though the M140i goes and sounds like hell ;)
Merry Christmas to you and yours. Thank you for your output this year. Hoping for better things next year.
I enjoyed watching the Video. I enjoyed supporting your channel this year as I particularly like BMW
Sorry to hear about your chauffeur business Joe! Keep doing great videos and I'm sure you will create a larger following in 2021.
I'd love to see you review many other brands, Hyundai i30N for example. More brands, more videos, more followers!
Stay safe and have a good Christmas ⛄🌲
Joe love the honest reviews just bought the 330d x drive g20 msport great car.
Another great video, a proper mature and informative car review thanks very much, all the best for 21
I'm sorry for joe and his chauffeuring business shutting next month. Hope he will be able to restart and get back out when things get better with travel bans getting lifted. I know he lives in London tier 4 he can't leave the city to do his chauffeuring I live in Portsmouth another tier 4 area so I know what he's feeling with the restrictions.
Such great reviews as always! I love all the camera angles and the fact you clean them which in winter is a pain.
I wonder how the governments anti diesel and petrol policies will effect these cars in the future?
My sister sold her 240i yesterday because it was so unusable in the slightest winter weather, x drive from now on I guess.
Thank you for your hard work! All the best for 2021! 🍀🙏🏽🙂
oh I'm torn on this one I have a F31 320d Touring super-efficient but I'm in need of some noise and would like to keep the weight down. But its touring all the way so practical and looks way better than saloon.
Another great video, Joe. Hope your transition from 1 job and one job/hobby to one, eventually- hopefully well paid hobby pays off 👌🏻👌🏻 you deserve it
Merry Christmas Joe and family 👌👌👌,awesome review man
Merry christmas to you - looking forward to see more content from you in 2021 best regards, big fan from Denmark 🇩🇰
Well done Joe, great video as always and great to hear positively re 2021. Can’t wait to see more nest year.
Another top quality video joe, I was all set to buy one of these as my next car until I received some appalling customer service from bmw recently. Time to move onto another manufacturer.
Great review, Joe. Thanks for some great content this year... I now want a M340d in place of my 530D... ;-) have a great Christmas and wishing you every success into 2021
Remap your 530d for the time being :)
Serious A to B family car. If I wasnt a sucker for Audi this would be my daily.
I currently drive a Audi S5 Sportback petrol which replaced a stolen BMW 335d tourer. As a result I have shortlisted the M340i and M340d tourer for my next car. I had decided against an S4 Avant when only diesel became available. I only do pleasure motoring and lowish mileage. I think I'll be tossing a coin to make a decision!!!!!!!