I hired Jacob to help me choose a 5th wheel and it changed my mind on the brand I was planning to buy. I cannot say enough good things about how much the consultation is worth the fee! And yes, my brand-new Brinkley Z 3100 has correct plumbing, largely thanks to Jacob's educating consumers. Keep up the great work as your videos are amazing!
Jacob, your video’s are top notch quality gold. You are doing an incredible service to the entire RV industry by educating us and highlighting poor design in build quality. This is exactly what we the consumer needs to help hold the manufacturers accountable, keep these videos coming. I recorded and published a coupe recent video on my UA-cam channel on this very topic, my freshwater fill was so bad it not only leaked but it has a kink which lead to fill issues. After thar video is when I discovered you, which helped me correct my leaks and fittings.
@@undercoverrvtechyes, absolutely please do. Like I said in the video what is most disturbing is that leak is even with the onboard water pump which I tried to make obvious. I really feel bad for those who are not as technically inclined or nitpicky like I am. Thank you so much for your videos
@@undercoverrvtechdid you also see the previous video I did on my freshwater fill issue, with the vent hose? I had to re-plumb that also. That video was before I discovered you, but it’s what led me to your content, which led me to doing a deep dive inspection on all my fittings
Finally someone explaining the BS "code" RV manufacturers are exploiting to get wround this poor construction practice. Thank you so much for this and the other videos and parts list on how to fix these issues.
Thanks for the video. Most helpful. Learned a lot. I believe that all RV manufacturers have one thing in mind , make a lot of money. You are one of kind. I don't trust RV reapir shops. I have been burned too many times. In 30 years of own RV. I have Learn how repair my RV myself.
Thank you Jacob! We appreciate your up front and straightforward information! I have recently experienced a small drip / leak at one of my connections (flexible tubing, pex clamp, on a copper manifold). Per your video - a complete “no no”! This was on my 2018 Tiffin Open Road - just started leaking in 2024. We bought some stainless steel hose clamps…and fixed! I do watch it like a hawk…but it has been great / no issues. I have now gone through the entire RV and have checked the plumbing connections in an attempt to prevent any further leaks / issues. We truly appreciate your videos and information! Thank you!!!
ABSOLUTELY EXCELLENT ! ! ! Just found your channel and love your work! Smooth production quality, conversational voice and volume levels, zero flash ! To the point, zero fluff, but dry humor in appropriate places. ;-} So refreshing to see someone who cares as much about their video as the work that is the ultimate focus ! Thank you for a high quality experience!!! New subscriber !
Jacob, I love your videos. I am a master electrician and a life long rver that has owned 7 rvs. The rv industry does not care about nfpa 70 or nfpa 1192 because they don't have too. Nobody is inspecting there work other than themselves so they can getaway with whatever they want. Rv dealers and manufacturers are some of the crookedest people on the planet and really don't care about rvers or camper. It just an avenue to make money. Until there is some regulations, it will never change.
Thanks for watching! I hope as consumers become more educated, they will ask for better products. I know that RV manufacturers are already starting to squirm as people are asking questions they never asked before :-)
I went to the Hershey RV show today and looked at 20 or so units and almost ALL of them were using the crappy plumbing. The good ones I found were Renegade super C models. I chatted with the sales guy for Heartland and he got super defensive when I mentioned the shady plumbing and he even turned away from me when I said I watch Jacob’s YT channel.
Respect! Jacob, it is so refreshing to listen to someone that truly understands the definition of the word integrity (Hey RV manufacturers, try looking the word up).
Glad to see your calling these manufacturers our. I've been doing it for years on my channel about their roofs. If you're a GC, then you know these roofs are installed wrong....ON purpose, to sell product. I am a a former 3 state lic ese commercial GC and this is not the way a flat roof is installed. Although as a rule, codes are written with the intent to safeguard people, that does not apply I'm the RV industry. It's ALWAYS to their advantage..the entire RV code is cloaked for them to deceive people. IE: Res and comm codes dictate to protect wires from chafing and potential abrasion when in contact with sharp boxes etc. We constantly show on our vids these manufacturers will not put a BX cable bushing in the sharp ferrells they run the wires through.
I’m brand new to this RV’ing stuff. I needed to add a filtered drinking water dispenser under the kitchen sink. I researched how to tap into the flexible hose. No solutions. A knowledgeable helpful RV parts guy told me the issues you covered but didn’t mention your solution. I decided to use a Pex-A solution with expandable fittings since I had the expansion tool. A professional plumber once told me that he liked expansion fittings because they spend the rest of their life trying to tighten, compared to the pinch fittings which spend the rest of their life trying to loosen. For the tap-in T-fitting I got a barbed one appropriate for Pex-A. The sleeve needed to be pre-expanded to fit over the flexible tubing. I then expanded the tubing and sleeve normally. So far it seems to be working fine. I have a lot more confidence in that expansion fitting than the other pinch ones.
Great explanation. The circular finger pointing is what the RV Industry does on almost everything. Look at frame failure issues. It happens so much you almost think its their go to move to get the consumers money and run
I checked the plumbing on my 2021 Bullet and I was happy to see good plumbing. No flex to pex, unless it had the threaded fittings like you showed. It does have the cable driven slide out so there is that... Thanks for the videos!
Jacob can you do a video on manufacturers that install the plumbing correctly. We would like to buy a c class and I’ve done research but no one goes over the plumbing.
Thank you for these videos of plumbing/ and trailer reviews.. just caught a Pex to flex tubing with pinch clamps leaking. Just purchased my 2023 Winnebago micro Minnie 1720FB Veterans Day and have not had out yet , doing driveway checks before next weekend trip
Bring it on Jacob. Our NewMar Bay Star 2022 is correctly plumbed and I didn’t discover you until 2023. I like your solution, get the dealer to fix it since they’re going to have an excess inventory problem very soon with or without bad plumbing.
Excellent video. A cursory search will show the manufacturers of the fittings and the hose state that this is an incorrect application and cannot be assured not to fail. Been RV’ing for close to 40 years and the decline in overall quality is disturbing. I just did a sweep of our unit on my channel and discovered one place where this is done. I can get to it to correct it, but it will not be an easy job. Any info on how RVs get the RIVA seal? I’ve heard rumors that it’s analogous to the government investigating itself and declaring everything is OK. Thanks much !!
The Recreational Vehicle Industry Association exists to promote the industry. Manufacturers pay membership dues so they can put the seal on their RVs. RVIA supposedly has inspectors check in at manufacturing plants to ensure quality, but who know what that really means.
Here is my playlist on the plumbing issue and fixes - ua-cam.com/play/PLRhkJB7TNcSn2U5sDy5ic2iWr8kFxxd_N.html - this should answer a lot of your questions and be helpful
Sir, I love your videos and you're correct in principle, but I must correct you on one thing. NFPA is NOT a code, it's an industry organization. Now with that said, the IBC does refer to NFPA in some cases such as NFPA 13 for sprinklers. As an architect it becomes difficult to understand which standards apply, but rarely is NFPA the adopted code. Sometimes the insurance company prevails with more stringent requirements (GM Global). The takeaway, you're assessment of plumbing is spot on.
Good point, thanks for the clarification. The RVIA has voted to adopt the NFPA 1192 as the standard for RVs being built, so I guess they think it is a code. Based on what you are saying the IAPMO is also just an industry association, so the ASTM would be the only applicable code, and that certainly does not permit this bad plumbing connection. Yeesh, so it sounds like I was correct all along to say that this connection does not meet code because they are using industry association documents to justify the bad plumbing. Would that be correct to say?
I am in process of buying a 2025 Brinkley Z3610. There are no water connections in the slides so I should be all set as you said they fixed the water pump connection?
Well, I'm glad our new Alliance had 99% good plumbing (which I learned from watching your vids before I bought and then doing lots of crawling around with a flashlight at RV shows), but I missed this one behind the panel. Because of your email (I'm a subscriber), I used the link you provided to grab a replacement hose with proper fittings. I'm glad it's an inexpensive fix. You mention "tool-less" but I'm wondering if I need to install threaded male fittings. I don't suppose anyone could point to a demonstration / explanation / installation video? Alliance has been amazing to work with and after hearing stories of how other manufacturers and dealers serve their customers, I'd still 100% go with them again.
On the Delta I made a video about it actually has the threaded adapter to PEX installed, so it is just a matter of unscrewing and screwing in the updated pre-made flex hose assembly. It would not surprise me if on some they crimped the flex straight to the PEX rather than using threaded adapters. Feel free to email me photos of what you have so I can make a better reccomendation. I'm really sorry they snuck this in on everyone.
I have a 10 year old, garage kept teardrop trailer with some recently developed leaky plumbing. I’m about to pull out everything and re-plumb it this weekend. I hate plumbing, but “Momma said, if women don’t find you handsome, then make sure they find ya handy.” So, I guess, I’m replacing it all with PEX tubing, and brass fittings.
Hi, I am look for a RV and see your reels about embrace el32bh now i see your video about bad plumbing and this is the worst problem of a RV, I am right ?
After getting home from reviewing the trailer I was interested in after watching some of your videos. I was still confused as to what good plumbing should look like and I saw and watched this video. Thanks, so I think the plumbing looked correct. However, I think there was one place I saw this flexible tubing, I think it said something about flush … it was attached to the outside fitting, ran up to another fitting right under the sink counter and the other side of the fitting straight down, to a tank? I should have taken pictures to review.
Yes, that is the black tank flush line. I'm not concerned about those connections as they never have full water pressure because there is no valve to stop water flow. The water just flows through when you turn it on. That is one exception I teach in my shopping course as to when the bad plumbing connections is acceptable. I still prefer to see PEX tubing there but will give a passing grade.
We just purchased a Rockwood 2508 Minilite and it had this same issue with all the plumbing. Since this unit will be in our rental fleet we had to fix all the plumbing. :( it is expensive to learn.
Do the "standard" (if there is one) Nautilus panels come with Pex or Flex fittings where the tubing connects to the valve/switch? Also can you recommend some pex to flex adapters where we could fix some of the issues ourself? Great job Jacob, we appreciate the work you do for our community!
"Code" insinuates that an inspection occurs from a competent authority IAW standards. This does not happen. There are no independent authoritive inspections conducted in RVs. As a independent Professional Inspector in the building trade we use established municipal codes to guide our inspections.
My Grand Design IMAGINE IS LESS THAN 2 Years Old ! Love the floor plan and the Unit in General ! Plumbing is now leaking due to these Issues Jacob has exposed 😢. Brother in Laws Winnebago did the same even faster 😢😢 ! Would find it hard to Recommend to others Either Brand - AND THEY WERE THEORETICALLY A TOP END SUPPLIER ? Still using Luan instead of Azdel which makes water issues LETHAL ! Disappointed in New Hampshire 😔
Have you taken my RV shopping course yet? That will give you a list of what to look for. I recommend the free email course for people who are still in the window shopping stage and the paid version for people who are serious and ready to buy. You can check both out here - undercoverrvshopper.com/mini-course/
I just bought a used 2019 grand design. It keeps leaking at toilet and sink. They are using flex hose with those connectors. Ugh only had for a month and scared to leave water on already had pressure relief valves. Should I call and complain or am I screwed. Other than that love the camper
I would encourage you to call Grand Design and complain, but they are not going to help you. Part of the problem is that they don't hear complaints from RV owners after the 1-year warranty expires. I'd love it if you can send me photos or video of your leaks, I want to collect evidence to make a video about how many people are experiencing these leaks. Here is my playlist of ways to repair this bad plumbing, ua-cam.com/play/PLRhkJB7TNcSn2U5sDy5ic2iWr8kFxxd_N.html Best of luck, and I'm sorry that you are having to deal with this.
This is such a wealth of knowledge. I recently purchased your repair course. I was already aware of most of the information but did get some excellent information and I'm so glad to have it. Thanks for all your work
I’d still agree with you that a PEX clamp on flexible vinyl tubing doesn’t meet code. But I get what you are saying. Hopefully one of those code bodies will update their code to be more clear.
I just had an architect point out that NFPA and IAPMO are industry organizations and don't' make codes. It may actually be true that it does not meet code, I'm doing more investigating. ;-)
@@undercoverrvtech while you’re architect isn’t completely wrong, NFPA and IAPMO are industry organizations that sole purpose is to create industry standards that are then adopted as policy and/or code. For example, Florida Build Commission has adopted many ASTM, ASME, IPC and IAMPO standards as code.
@@justinprince9507 That is what I'm discovering. What is crazy is that IAPMO TS25 says this bad connection it tested at 2x rated pressure for 100,000 cycles. I really want to know who actually does this testing. I will probably end up writing IAPMO and requesting that they update this document. I don't think anyone in the industry is going to.
We just picked up our new 24 GD Solitude that we ordered back in January. I was fully aware of the plumbing issues and had already planned on changing out the fittings to go from pex to flex tube. Surprised when I found no flex hose, all brass fittings with pex all the way to the fixtures. Then from pex directly to stainless braided supply lines. Don’t know if we got a unicorn or are they changing their ways! Thanks for the videos, have learned a lot!
I got some decent photos but don’t know how to add to my post. I verified that it is all pex and stainless braided supply lines to fixtures. Also all brass fittings with pinch clamps. I had shower access panel off and it is also pex, no flex.
Fascinating! I think they may have decided to change their build rather than fight me on plumbing codes. I'm eager to go review GD again. If you want you can email photos to me, jacob@rigorRVrepair.com. Thanks!
So, I just looked at another 2024 Solitude listing and see flex and pinch clamps on the water filter. Unfortunately, this leads me to believe that GD has not implemented an across-the-board change in how they plumb their RVs, you just happen to get one that is better plumbed. I'd still love to see photos, and would encourage you to also check behind the toilet and behind the access panel for the washing machine hookup. I hope everything is still correct!
Sharkbite brand makes both push-to-connecct fitting and standard PEX insert fittings. PTC fittings work on PEX, copper and CPVC, but I don't think is rated for or would work on flex.
I wish more people would take notice on what you have uncovered here. So faulty of the manufactures to not address this properly. Seems if you want an RV one must go the to Canada. Keep hammering on this topic hopefully until there is change.
I only buy rvs that are at least 2 years old so any issues will have most likely appeared and been taken care off. But if buying new i recommend waiting till you're ready to buy and dealership is giddy on making a sale, then you mention the plumbing and if it's bad then you just say, fix it or i walk. If dealers start losing more money because of this and they don't tell manufacturers to shape up then they'll have to fix it or lose a sale. This is getting out of hand.
The ridiculousness of the vinyl tubing makes me angry. I had to pull it all out of my Grand Design due to endless leaks. Replaced all with PEX and also apent a couple dozen hours cleaning up the sloppy PEX work done at the factory.
Sorry to hear that. If you have not already, I would encourage you to call GD and complain even if you are past warranty. Companies don't have any data about problems past warranty. Hopefully you have everything re-plumbed and working correctly now. Thanks for watching!
"Meeting code" just means it's the worst it can be without getting into government or regulatory trouble; not a sign of quality. It's like saying someone is a good driver because they met the requirements to get a driver's license.
I hired Jacob to help me choose a 5th wheel and it changed my mind on the brand I was planning to buy. I cannot say enough good things about how much the consultation is worth the fee! And yes, my brand-new Brinkley Z 3100 has correct plumbing, largely thanks to Jacob's educating consumers. Keep up the great work as your videos are amazing!
Jacob, your video’s are top notch quality gold. You are doing an incredible service to the entire RV industry by educating us and highlighting poor design in build quality. This is exactly what we the consumer needs to help hold the manufacturers accountable, keep these videos coming. I recorded and published a coupe recent video on my UA-cam channel on this very topic, my freshwater fill was so bad it not only leaked but it has a kink which lead to fill issues. After thar video is when I discovered you, which helped me correct my leaks and fittings.
Glad to hear! Just watched that video, nice job showing your problem and fix. What year is your RV?
Also, I would love to give your video a shout out and show some of your footage of leaks, would that be okay with you?
@@undercoverrvtechit’s a 2020, last one was a 2009 and we didn’t have any of these problems it was built like a tank.
@@undercoverrvtechyes, absolutely please do. Like I said in the video what is most disturbing is that leak is even with the onboard water pump which I tried to make obvious. I really feel bad for those who are not as technically inclined or nitpicky like I am. Thank you so much for your videos
@@undercoverrvtechdid you also see the previous video I did on my freshwater fill issue, with the vent hose? I had to re-plumb that also. That video was before I discovered you, but it’s what led me to your content, which led me to doing a deep dive inspection on all my fittings
Someone should share this video with certain UA-camrs that are breaking their backs carrying water (no pun intended) for the RV manufacturers
But the pun was appreciated 😀
Finally someone explaining the BS "code" RV manufacturers are exploiting to get wround this poor construction practice. Thank you so much for this and the other videos and parts list on how to fix these issues.
Thanks for watching! Glad the video was helpful!
Thanks for the video. Most helpful. Learned a lot. I believe that all RV manufacturers have one thing in mind , make a lot of money. You are one of kind.
I don't trust RV reapir shops.
I have been burned too many times. In 30 years of own RV.
I have Learn how repair my RV myself.
Thank you Jacob! We appreciate your up front and straightforward information! I have recently experienced a small drip / leak at one of my connections (flexible tubing, pex clamp, on a copper manifold). Per your video - a complete “no no”! This was on my 2018 Tiffin Open Road - just started leaking in 2024. We bought some stainless steel hose clamps…and fixed! I do watch it like a hawk…but it has been great / no issues. I have now gone through the entire RV and have checked the plumbing connections in an attempt to prevent any further leaks / issues.
We truly appreciate your videos and information! Thank you!!!
ABSOLUTELY EXCELLENT ! ! ! Just found your channel and love your work! Smooth production quality, conversational voice and volume levels, zero flash ! To the point, zero fluff, but dry humor in appropriate places. ;-}
So refreshing to see someone who cares as much about their video as the work that is the ultimate focus ! Thank you for a high quality experience!!! New subscriber !
Jacob,
I love your videos. I am a master electrician and a life long rver that has owned 7 rvs. The rv industry does not care about nfpa 70 or nfpa 1192 because they don't have too. Nobody is inspecting there work other than themselves so they can getaway with whatever they want. Rv dealers and manufacturers are some of the crookedest people on the planet and really don't care about rvers or camper. It just an avenue to make money. Until there is some regulations, it will never change.
Thanks for watching! I hope as consumers become more educated, they will ask for better products. I know that RV manufacturers are already starting to squirm as people are asking questions they never asked before :-)
I went to the Hershey RV show today and looked at 20 or so units and almost ALL of them were using the crappy plumbing. The good ones I found were Renegade super C models.
I chatted with the sales guy for Heartland and he got super defensive when I mentioned the shady plumbing and he even turned away from me when I said I watch Jacob’s YT channel.
Thanks for watching and commenting! My goal with these videos is to put pressure on the RV industry to improve
Respect! Jacob, it is so refreshing to listen to someone that truly understands the definition of the word integrity (Hey RV manufacturers, try looking the word up).
I appreciate that!
Glad to see your calling these manufacturers our. I've been doing it for years on my channel about their roofs. If you're a GC, then you know these roofs are installed wrong....ON purpose, to sell product. I am a a former 3 state lic ese commercial GC and this is not the way a flat roof is installed. Although as a rule, codes are written with the intent to safeguard people, that does not apply I'm the RV industry. It's ALWAYS to their advantage..the entire RV code is cloaked for them to deceive people.
IE: Res and comm codes dictate to protect wires from chafing and potential abrasion when in contact with sharp boxes etc. We constantly show on our vids these manufacturers will not put a BX cable bushing in the sharp ferrells they run the wires through.
I’m brand new to this RV’ing stuff. I needed to add a filtered drinking water dispenser under the kitchen sink. I researched how to tap into the flexible hose. No solutions. A knowledgeable helpful RV parts guy told me the issues you covered but didn’t mention your solution.
I decided to use a Pex-A solution with expandable fittings since I had the expansion tool. A professional plumber once told me that he liked expansion fittings because they spend the rest of their life trying to tighten, compared to the pinch fittings which spend the rest of their life trying to loosen.
For the tap-in T-fitting I got a barbed one appropriate for Pex-A. The sleeve needed to be pre-expanded to fit over the flexible tubing. I then expanded the tubing and sleeve normally.
So far it seems to be working fine. I have a lot more confidence in that expansion fitting than the other pinch ones.
Great explanation. The circular finger pointing is what the RV Industry does on almost everything. Look at frame failure issues. It happens so much you almost think its their go to move to get the consumers money and run
Thank you for these awesome videos. I had no idea what to look for in plumbing. Now I'm going to go take your course before buying another rv
Glad to help!
I checked the plumbing on my 2021 Bullet and I was happy to see good plumbing. No flex to pex, unless it had the threaded fittings like you showed. It does have the cable driven slide out so there is that... Thanks for the videos!
Jacob can you do a video on manufacturers that install the plumbing correctly. We would like to buy a c class and I’ve done research but no one goes over the plumbing.
Thank you for these videos of plumbing/ and trailer reviews.. just caught a Pex to flex tubing with pinch clamps leaking. Just purchased my 2023 Winnebago micro Minnie 1720FB Veterans Day and have not had out yet , doing driveway checks before next weekend trip
Bring it on Jacob. Our NewMar Bay Star 2022 is correctly plumbed and I didn’t discover you until 2023. I like your solution, get the dealer to fix it since they’re going to have an excess inventory problem very soon with or without bad plumbing.
Excellent video. A cursory search will show the manufacturers of the fittings and the hose state that this is an incorrect application and cannot be assured not to fail. Been RV’ing for close to 40 years and the decline in overall quality is disturbing. I just did a sweep of our unit on my channel and discovered one place where this is done. I can get to it to correct it, but it will not be an easy job. Any info on how RVs get the RIVA seal? I’ve heard rumors that it’s analogous to the government investigating itself and declaring everything is OK. Thanks much !!
The Recreational Vehicle Industry Association exists to promote the industry. Manufacturers pay membership dues so they can put the seal on their RVs. RVIA supposedly has inspectors check in at manufacturing plants to ensure quality, but who know what that really means.
Is there a way to convert the bad plumbing into good plumbing for those that already have an RV with bad plumbing connections?
Here is my playlist on the plumbing issue and fixes - ua-cam.com/play/PLRhkJB7TNcSn2U5sDy5ic2iWr8kFxxd_N.html - this should answer a lot of your questions and be helpful
Sir, I love your videos and you're correct in principle, but I must correct you on one thing. NFPA is NOT a code, it's an industry organization. Now with that said, the IBC does refer to NFPA in some cases such as NFPA 13 for sprinklers. As an architect it becomes difficult to understand which standards apply, but rarely is NFPA the adopted code. Sometimes the insurance company prevails with more stringent requirements (GM Global).
The takeaway, you're assessment of plumbing is spot on.
Good point, thanks for the clarification. The RVIA has voted to adopt the NFPA 1192 as the standard for RVs being built, so I guess they think it is a code. Based on what you are saying the IAPMO is also just an industry association, so the ASTM would be the only applicable code, and that certainly does not permit this bad plumbing connection. Yeesh, so it sounds like I was correct all along to say that this connection does not meet code because they are using industry association documents to justify the bad plumbing. Would that be correct to say?
I love your information Jacob! I am a Certified Inspector and am learning from you. Thank you!
I'm so glad that my videos are helpful! Thanks for watching!
I am in process of buying a 2025 Brinkley Z3610. There are no water connections in the slides so I should be all set as you said they fixed the water pump connection?
Well, I'm glad our new Alliance had 99% good plumbing (which I learned from watching your vids before I bought and then doing lots of crawling around with a flashlight at RV shows), but I missed this one behind the panel. Because of your email (I'm a subscriber), I used the link you provided to grab a replacement hose with proper fittings. I'm glad it's an inexpensive fix. You mention "tool-less" but I'm wondering if I need to install threaded male fittings. I don't suppose anyone could point to a demonstration / explanation / installation video?
Alliance has been amazing to work with and after hearing stories of how other manufacturers and dealers serve their customers, I'd still 100% go with them again.
On the Delta I made a video about it actually has the threaded adapter to PEX installed, so it is just a matter of unscrewing and screwing in the updated pre-made flex hose assembly. It would not surprise me if on some they crimped the flex straight to the PEX rather than using threaded adapters. Feel free to email me photos of what you have so I can make a better reccomendation. I'm really sorry they snuck this in on everyone.
@@undercoverrvtech thanks very much - email sent :-)
How big is the job to replace all those connections?
Very good video. It might even cut down my work. Take a bow Jacob. Awesome job on one of the biggest issues with RV’S. 🛠️🇨🇦🛠️🇨🇦
Thanks 👍
I have a 10 year old, garage kept teardrop trailer with some recently developed leaky plumbing. I’m about to pull out everything and re-plumb it this weekend. I hate plumbing, but “Momma said, if women don’t find you handsome, then make sure they find ya handy.” So, I guess, I’m replacing it all with PEX tubing, and brass fittings.
Hi, I am look for a RV and see your reels about embrace el32bh now i see your video about bad plumbing and this is the worst problem of a RV, I am right ?
After getting home from reviewing the trailer I was interested in after watching some of your videos. I was still confused as to what good plumbing should look like and I saw and watched this video. Thanks, so I think the plumbing looked correct. However, I think there was one place I saw this flexible tubing, I think it said something about flush … it was attached to the outside fitting, ran up to another fitting right under the sink counter and the other side of the fitting straight down, to a tank? I should have taken pictures to review.
Yes, that is the black tank flush line. I'm not concerned about those connections as they never have full water pressure because there is no valve to stop water flow. The water just flows through when you turn it on. That is one exception I teach in my shopping course as to when the bad plumbing connections is acceptable. I still prefer to see PEX tubing there but will give a passing grade.
I want a list of the manufacturers still doing this…
Hey what can you tell me about trailer bounce.Some times it's so bad the truck starts to bounce.
Good job... And in detail...
Thanks 👍
Have you reviewed any E-PRO or GEO-PRO campers?
Can you do a review on an InTech Terra Willow RV. I would like to get your take on the quality of
We just purchased a Rockwood 2508 Minilite and it had this same issue with all the plumbing. Since this unit will be in our rental fleet we had to fix all the plumbing. :( it is expensive to learn.
As always, very helpful and informative. Thanks Jacob!!
What would you feel is the best overall v10 class C over the past 6 yrs?
Do the "standard" (if there is one) Nautilus panels come with Pex or Flex fittings where the tubing connects to the valve/switch? Also can you recommend some pex to flex adapters where we could fix some of the issues ourself? Great job Jacob, we appreciate the work you do for our community!
Check out his other plumbing videos. He shows how to fix it.
"Code" insinuates that an inspection occurs from a competent authority IAW standards. This does not happen. There are no independent authoritive inspections conducted in RVs. As a independent Professional Inspector in the building trade we use established municipal codes to guide our inspections.
Excellent video.
Thank you very much!
My Grand Design IMAGINE IS LESS THAN 2 Years Old ! Love the floor plan and the Unit in General ! Plumbing is now leaking due to these Issues Jacob has exposed 😢. Brother in Laws Winnebago did the same even faster 😢😢 ! Would find it hard to Recommend to others Either Brand - AND THEY WERE THEORETICALLY A TOP END SUPPLIER ? Still using Luan instead of Azdel which makes water issues LETHAL ! Disappointed in New Hampshire 😔
I am looking for an RV please send me a list of things I should look for. I’m considering a used RV
Have you taken my RV shopping course yet? That will give you a list of what to look for. I recommend the free email course for people who are still in the window shopping stage and the paid version for people who are serious and ready to buy. You can check both out here - undercoverrvshopper.com/mini-course/
I just bought a used 2019 grand design. It keeps leaking at toilet and sink. They are using flex hose with those connectors. Ugh only had for a month and scared to leave water on already had pressure relief valves. Should I call and complain or am I screwed. Other than that love the camper
I would encourage you to call Grand Design and complain, but they are not going to help you. Part of the problem is that they don't hear complaints from RV owners after the 1-year warranty expires. I'd love it if you can send me photos or video of your leaks, I want to collect evidence to make a video about how many people are experiencing these leaks. Here is my playlist of ways to repair this bad plumbing, ua-cam.com/play/PLRhkJB7TNcSn2U5sDy5ic2iWr8kFxxd_N.html
Best of luck, and I'm sorry that you are having to deal with this.
This is such a wealth of knowledge. I recently purchased your repair course. I was already aware of most of the information but did get some excellent information and I'm so glad to have it. Thanks for all your work
Welcome aboard, and thanks for watching!
I’d still agree with you that a PEX clamp on flexible vinyl tubing doesn’t meet code. But I get what you are saying. Hopefully one of those code bodies will update their code to be more clear.
I just had an architect point out that NFPA and IAPMO are industry organizations and don't' make codes. It may actually be true that it does not meet code, I'm doing more investigating. ;-)
@@undercoverrvtech while you’re architect isn’t completely wrong, NFPA and IAPMO are industry organizations that sole purpose is to create industry standards that are then adopted as policy and/or code. For example, Florida Build Commission has adopted many ASTM, ASME, IPC and IAMPO standards as code.
@@justinprince9507 That is what I'm discovering. What is crazy is that IAPMO TS25 says this bad connection it tested at 2x rated pressure for 100,000 cycles. I really want to know who actually does this testing. I will probably end up writing IAPMO and requesting that they update this document. I don't think anyone in the industry is going to.
We just picked up our new 24 GD Solitude that we ordered back in January. I was fully aware of the plumbing issues and had already planned on changing out the fittings to go from pex to flex tube. Surprised when I found no flex hose, all brass fittings with pex all the way to the fixtures. Then from pex directly to stainless braided supply lines. Don’t know if we got a unicorn or are they changing their ways! Thanks for the videos, have learned a lot!
Oh, I love to know more! Are there any bad connections at the water heater, water pump or behind the water panel in the basement?
I got some decent photos but don’t know how to add to my post. I verified that it is all pex and stainless braided supply lines to fixtures. Also all brass fittings with pinch clamps. I had shower access panel off and it is also pex, no flex.
@@undercoverrvtechthe water heater, nautilus system and water pump is all pex and stainless supply lines. Thanks!
Fascinating! I think they may have decided to change their build rather than fight me on plumbing codes. I'm eager to go review GD again. If you want you can email photos to me, jacob@rigorRVrepair.com. Thanks!
So, I just looked at another 2024 Solitude listing and see flex and pinch clamps on the water filter. Unfortunately, this leads me to believe that GD has not implemented an across-the-board change in how they plumb their RVs, you just happen to get one that is better plumbed. I'd still love to see photos, and would encourage you to also check behind the toilet and behind the access panel for the washing machine hookup. I hope everything is still correct!
Thank you
How do you feel about RV plumbing repairs with SharkBite fittings?
Sharkbite brand makes both push-to-connecct fitting and standard PEX insert fittings. PTC fittings work on PEX, copper and CPVC, but I don't think is rated for or would work on flex.
I wish more people would take notice on what you have uncovered here. So faulty of the manufactures to not address this properly. Seems if you want an RV one must go the to Canada. Keep hammering on this topic hopefully until there is change.
I only buy rvs that are at least 2 years old so any issues will have most likely appeared and been taken care off. But if buying new i recommend waiting till you're ready to buy and dealership is giddy on making a sale, then you mention the plumbing and if it's bad then you just say, fix it or i walk. If dealers start losing more money because of this and they don't tell manufacturers to shape up then they'll have to fix it or lose a sale. This is getting out of hand.
The ridiculousness of the vinyl tubing makes me angry. I had to pull it all out of my Grand Design due to endless leaks. Replaced all with PEX and also apent a couple dozen hours cleaning up the sloppy PEX work done at the factory.
Sorry to hear that. If you have not already, I would encourage you to call GD and complain even if you are past warranty. Companies don't have any data about problems past warranty. Hopefully you have everything re-plumbed and working correctly now. Thanks for watching!
The plumbing in my Lance is wrong. So even they do it incorrectly. The toilet is done exactly the way you showed in your example.
"Meeting code" just means it's the worst it can be without getting into government or regulatory trouble; not a sign of quality. It's like saying someone is a good driver because they met the requirements to get a driver's license.
Corruption in the RV industry.
Maybe we need to band together and make a change.
They will continue doing this unless there is a lawsuit.
Oh yes!!!! This vid needs to go viral! 🏆
Hey....what a coincidence, we speak the same french. 🍻
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