11:56 "The last ability of Growing Rites of Itlimoc doesn’t trigger if you don’t control four or more creatures as your end step begins. If you don’t control four or more creatures as it resolves, it does nothing."
Growing Rites of Itlimoc won't trigger at all if you don't have 4+ creatures as you move to your End Step. Sandwurm Convergence will trigger, giving you Creature #4, but it'll be too late for Itlimoc to transform.
@@imapaincake2305 no, because if you don't have 4 creatures at the beginning of the end step, it won't trigger at all. It doesn't just trigger and then check if you have 4 creatures, the trigger just doesn't go on the stack if you don't have 4 creatures when the step starts
@@imapaincake2305 Unfortunately, no. It's an intervening "if" clause ("At the beginning of your end step, IF [condition], [do something]") which means that it checks the condition twice - once when it would be put on the stack, and once when it resolves. If the condition isn't true when it would be put on the stack, it isn't put on the stack. And if the condition isn't true when it resolves, it does nothing.
Judging from the subsequent plays, I think Mark was tempted not because he wanted the land, but because he wanted to shuffle and hopefully put an instant or sorcery on the top of his library, and getting a land out of the deck increases the chances of that happening. It was a gamble, which unfortunately didn't pay off.
I really like Sam's take on Windgrace, it seems like my build. Dredge, some Landfall, and graveyard shenanigans. I just need some more of those juicy utility lands.
You know, when Josh played Grenzo at GameKnights (actually, the first GK video I ever saw), it didn't pick my interest that much... but after seeing this version of Grenzo in action, I definitely want him as my Rakdos commander now (sorry, Mogis).
So good Tempt with Discovery. I prefere to do not run it in my Windgrace deck because I'm scared of Bojuka Bog or Scavenger Grounds exiling my graveyard. However there were many mistakes but it's normal in a complex multiplayer game.
Best line of the game: Muddstah saying "#cheatcounteroneSam" as a joke, and one minute later Sam actually cheating by accident, swinging with his creatures even though Glacial Chasm stops him from doing so. Also, #misplaycountoneMuddstah, for the Growing Rites of Itlimoc trigger: if you don't have enough creatures at the beginning of your end step, GRoI won't trigger at all, even if you add creatures during your end step to fulfill the quota; you have to add them before the end step.
0:23-0:25 Weird Cut 04:00 missed 1 dmg, i think. haven't really played that ally much. 11:58 Itlimoc Flip does not trigger , if you don't control 4 creatures at beginning of end step. (not sure how many tokens you had before cause lighting, talk seemed to indicate you had 3 creatures only) oh and i loved that Grenzo Deck!
A few misplays here. Forgot to give first spirit token, Ithilmoc couldn't have flipped, and he couldn't have attacked with Chasm. But overall good game!
You should go on the Command Zone podcast, Muddstah. Considering youre easily the best Commander Gameplay channel that had actual footage of people playing the game, youd be the best candidate for it.
Why are people surprised that everyone picked on the Windgrace player? That's what happens when so many people build him focusing on mass land destruction. NO ONE LIKES LOSING THEIR LANDS AND BEING UNABLE TO PLAY THE GAME. Also, going after Doubling Season is a natural thing: Planeswalkers entering the battlefield with twice as many counters is no joke, and that Vraska at the top of Sam's library tells us he could have other PWs. That Vraska in particular would enter one turn away from her ultimate, and so would Windgrace himself.
Good game, but watching Mark cast instants at sorcery speed was hard to watch at times. For example: the initial Lightning bolt and copy could have got him a 2 for 1 had he waited just one more turn for Vince to drop Grenzo.
Obliterate, Decree of Annhilaion, and all similar possible MLD effects. His card draw and recursion makes him very hard to keep up with once he gets going. At least, thats what I've seen so far when I faced him.
Personally, I hate it because every playgroup I've been to has one Windgrace player and Im kind of sick of seeing it and is almost always predictable of what they're doing. The usual ramp/sacLand/discardLand/landfall because theres no other way of playing him.
@@Ianoxen I have a Windgrace deck. It's about Greater Good/Urabrask/Living Death and Jarad as wincons, Landfall is like suppport. That is a much more graveyard oriented deck than most. There are other ways of playing him and I believe if you only focus on landfall you do it wrong.
@@Ianoxen I personally run a memey valakut list that attempts to get prismatic omen with valakut and any of mirage mirror, vesuva,or thespians stage. Also ob nixilis as a potential valakut #5. From there saccing lands via zuran orb or squandered resources followed by splendid reclamation or world shaper will close out most games. World shaper can be targeted by a valakut trigger to keep the shenanigans going.
axel leroy It doesn't work that way thankfully. The loyalty counters adding or removing from a planeswalker is a cost and doesn't actually put counters on the way doubling season cares about. If you cast a planeswalker with doubling season on the board however you get double.
He activated Grenzo at the end of Mark's turn. This is how the Virtus came out. He then started his own turn, which meant Virtus could attack on Vincent's turn.
Michał Korybut Wiśniowiecki Spellslinger decks are often all-or nothing decks. Either they go off in a flurry of spells or they do nothing at all while trying to sculpt their hands
From now on, every time you cut out in a video, i'm going to add Radiate to a deck I play.
This is a brilliant idea
11:56 "The last ability of Growing Rites of Itlimoc doesn’t trigger if you don’t control four or more creatures as your end step begins. If you don’t control four or more creatures as it resolves, it does nothing."
Growing Rites of Itlimoc won't trigger at all if you don't have 4+ creatures as you move to your End Step. Sandwurm Convergence will trigger, giving you Creature #4, but it'll be too late for Itlimoc to transform.
Can't you decide and re-arrange the order of the triggers or it is already written in the card? (i'm too lazy to check)
@@imapaincake2305 no, because if you don't have 4 creatures at the beginning of the end step, it won't trigger at all. It doesn't just trigger and then check if you have 4 creatures, the trigger just doesn't go on the stack if you don't have 4 creatures when the step starts
@@imapaincake2305 Unfortunately, no. It's an intervening "if" clause ("At the beginning of your end step, IF [condition], [do something]") which means that it checks the condition twice - once when it would be put on the stack, and once when it resolves. If the condition isn't true when it would be put on the stack, it isn't put on the stack. And if the condition isn't true when it resolves, it does nothing.
@@nitrodog96 just like Santa!
At 12:30 I thought Andrew said "...reveals White Boy off the top..."
Gotta love the lands player getting literally every piece of hate and letting Vin-Saw do whatever he wants.
Sam couldn't attach the turn he reanimated craterhoof due to keeping glacial chasm by paying 4 life. Cheat count +1
Could not Attack.
You can't attack with glacial chasm out. Whoops. Haha
Was about to say that
I saw that too.
I yelled that as it happened lol
Common mistake I also thought that
I came to the comments to say that too
That Grenzo deck is sweet!
As usual, this game has me hooked! Nice one Muddstah! 😁
Being tempted by discovery is always a mistake. Sam got urborg and coffers and mark got a basic? Yeah totally worth.
Judging from the subsequent plays, I think Mark was tempted not because he wanted the land, but because he wanted to shuffle and hopefully put an instant or sorcery on the top of his library, and getting a land out of the deck increases the chances of that happening. It was a gamble, which unfortunately didn't pay off.
When you want to see someone's take on Lord Windgrace. But you can't cause Muddstah hates you. 33 mins it soooo far away lol
It's true. I told Sam to delete his list to deprive you all of its hotness.
10:59 Sam shouldn't attack because of static ability of Glacial Chasm...
I really like Sam's take on Windgrace, it seems like my build. Dredge, some Landfall, and graveyard shenanigans. I just need some more of those juicy utility lands.
You know, when Josh played Grenzo at GameKnights (actually, the first GK video I ever saw), it didn't pick my interest that much... but after seeing this version of Grenzo in action, I definitely want him as my Rakdos commander now (sorry, Mogis).
I think itlimoc needs the creatures to be out for the trigger to be put on the stack and for it to resolve
This is true. 'Intervening if' clause.
Please don't do this premiere thing. I'll watch your videos every time until forever, but don't tempt me with a picture and say it's almost out. :(
Same lol
I concur
It's an hour wait!
Some sweet cards showed up in this game! Never even heard of Summary Dismissal!
3:56 Tuktuk Scrapper should have done one point of damage to the player Mark when it killed his scepter since Vince had one ally in play.
Hey muddy, I'm glad you're mixing up the music. The license free stuff i've heard for years on other UA-cam videos and the variety is a relief.
He also attacked with three creatures when there was a crawlspace. oh well. game on
I'm absolutely in love with Thantis. So much fun with -1/-1 counters
Always an entertaining watch. As somebody who loves combo victories, that was a pretty satisfying one to see.
Today’s music was so on point ❤️ more in future episodes please!
Came here specifically for inspiration for a grenzo deck. Wasn't disappointed.
i love all your comander games and i haven’t missed one
keep it up
I wanna see the Windgrace Decklist so badly xD please share it :p
So good Tempt with
Discovery. I prefere to do not run it in my Windgrace deck because I'm scared of Bojuka Bog or Scavenger Grounds exiling my graveyard. However there were many mistakes but it's normal in a complex multiplayer game.
Great game! Its pleasure to see grenzo in action!
Ah a fellow Thanits player, a man of true taste...
i love the 3 videos a week
Best line of the game: Muddstah saying "#cheatcounteroneSam" as a joke, and one minute later Sam actually cheating by accident, swinging with his creatures even though Glacial Chasm stops him from doing so.
Also, #misplaycountoneMuddstah, for the Growing Rites of Itlimoc trigger: if you don't have enough creatures at the beginning of your end step, GRoI won't trigger at all, even if you add creatures during your end step to fulfill the quota; you have to add them before the end step.
0:23-0:25 Weird Cut
04:00 missed 1 dmg, i think. haven't really played that ally much.
11:58 Itlimoc Flip does not trigger , if you don't control 4 creatures at beginning of end step. (not sure how many tokens you had before cause lighting, talk seemed to indicate you had 3 creatures only)
oh and i loved that Grenzo Deck!
that was very nice of him when he twincast'd the lightning bolt not to hit the dryad arbor
Spider, Goblin, Electro and T'Challa. :3
I see what you did there.
Is it Vince or Vince???
It's Vince as in Vince
A few misplays here. Forgot to give first spirit token, Ithilmoc couldn't have flipped, and he couldn't have attacked with Chasm. But overall good game!
The background music reminds me of "The Canyon" by Philip Glass.
You should go on the Command Zone podcast, Muddstah. Considering youre easily the best Commander Gameplay channel that had actual footage of people playing the game, youd be the best candidate for it.
Please dont... they are corporate commander. Nothing original only what wizards wants highlighted. I love his originality.
Poor Mark, it was really sad to see land after land on top of his library.
What's the backround music?
[[Desecrated Tomb]] does not grant a bat for each creature returned, only the first one per turn
It doesn't say anything about how many times it triggers on the card.
4:01. No big deal but mark should have taken one damage here since Vince controlled an Ally
Why are people surprised that everyone picked on the Windgrace player? That's what happens when so many people build him focusing on mass land destruction. NO ONE LIKES LOSING THEIR LANDS AND BEING UNABLE TO PLAY THE GAME.
Also, going after Doubling Season is a natural thing: Planeswalkers entering the battlefield with twice as many counters is no joke, and that Vraska at the top of Sam's library tells us he could have other PWs. That Vraska in particular would enter one turn away from her ultimate, and so would Windgrace himself.
Good game, but watching Mark cast instants at sorcery speed was hard to watch at times. For example: the initial Lightning bolt and copy could have got him a 2 for 1 had he waited just one more turn for Vince to drop Grenzo.
isnt Growing Rites of Itlimoc an intervening if trigger? meaning it wont trigger if you dont meet the requirements?
Someone else pointed that out. It seems I misplayed it!
Liked for Thantis ❤️
Damn, I got blindsided by the unexpected saturday video.
Each Saturday in December has an extra game as a holiday treat!
where is the deck list for Lord Windgrace
?
Grenzo looks so much fun
My Thantis deck was just designed to put as much chaos on the field as physically and humanly possible.
I didn't even design it to win.
Wait Sam attacked with the Craterhoof swing....didnt he have glacial chasm out? Shouldn't have dealt damage.
Shouldn't have attacked AT ALL.
Pretty sure Sam had glacial chasm on board when he cast craterhoof?
3:59 that Tuktuk Scrapper should have dealt 1 damage to Mark.
Love the loonies and toonies you guys flipped eh?!
Every time Mark passed I thought something crazy was going to hit the table :/
Turns out the one guy saying puzzle box was right!
what kind of name is Vainsoan?
Wow. Any way I can get that grenzo decklist?
Yup, it's in the video description.
MTG Muddstah thank you!
6:30 MARK NO!
Kind of curious as to why you kept that starting hand?
Didn't want to mulligan down even further.
MTG Muddstah fair.
Why does everyone keep hating on the Windgrace deck?
Obliterate, Decree of Annhilaion, and all similar possible MLD effects. His card draw and recursion makes him very hard to keep up with once he gets going. At least, thats what I've seen so far when I faced him.
Personally, I hate it because every playgroup I've been to has one Windgrace player and Im kind of sick of seeing it and is almost always predictable of what they're doing. The usual ramp/sacLand/discardLand/landfall because theres no other way of playing him.
@@Ianoxen I have a Windgrace deck. It's about Greater Good/Urabrask/Living Death and Jarad as wincons, Landfall is like suppport. That is a much more graveyard oriented deck than most. There are other ways of playing him and I believe if you only focus on landfall you do it wrong.
@@Ianoxen I personally run a memey valakut list that attempts to get prismatic omen with valakut and any of mirage mirror, vesuva,or thespians stage. Also ob nixilis as a potential valakut #5. From there saccing lands via zuran orb or squandered resources followed by splendid reclamation or world shaper will close out most games. World shaper can be targeted by a valakut trigger to keep the shenanigans going.
@@swolegolisopod7340 that sounds fun! I love zurvan orb in this deck. Has saved my life several games
How he played 2 lands on first turn? Gren Sun's zenith into dryad arbor and then bounce land. why ......
love your channel
Didnt tuk tuk when he first came out miss a damage?
Dryad arbor counts as a land, he couldn't have played dryad arbor and then golgari rotfarm on the same turn
I'm quite sure this isn't the same soundtrack as always?
Happy Holidays Mr Muddstah! Thank you for the extra videos which are always fun to watch!! : ]
Yeah Vince was given the game in the end from Mark with the wipe away smh
Did you forget Partner on virtus ?
on 5:20, sam did a +2 on windgrace, but there is a doubling season, he forgot to put 4 loyalty counters instead of 2 :)
axel leroy It doesn't work that way thankfully. The loyalty counters adding or removing from a planeswalker is a cost and doesn't actually put counters on the way doubling season cares about. If you cast a planeswalker with doubling season on the board however you get double.
@@idy3967 Really? Works only when they arrive in the battlefield and not after?
JUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUDGE!!! I WANNA REPLA A LOT OF LOST GAAAAAAAAAAAAMES!!!
i LOVE grenzo so i spent all my money to make a competetiv deck wish me luck guys
Sam's Windgrace list...we need it now!
Wait, you only had three creatures when you transformed Growing Rites
You can’t attack with Glacial Chasm out.
I named my tarantula Thantis
Yes I love thantis!
Victimize brings the creatures onto the board TAPPED! And good game btw :D
EDIT: Yea I looked wrong it just looked he attacked with the Behemoth sorry :)
I mean, he shouldn't be attacking anyway while controlling his Glacial Chasm
Oh, this reveals WIPE AWAY! Not White Boy. I misheard that.
Vince couldn't attack with Virtus the turn it came in due to it not having haste. Cheat count +1
He activated Grenzo at the end of Mark's turn. This is how the Virtus came out. He then started his own turn, which meant Virtus could attack on Vincent's turn.
Please do more thanthis
huh, didnt know goblins could be festive
YOU GUYS ARE CANUCKS?! MY DUDES!
I have a melek spellslinger deck
7:23 he knows what his card does, if its a personal deck. he chose to target cradle.. cheaters never win. Vince was the only loser imo
not to mention Land destruction is very frowned upon in the format, sometimes not even aloud
@@murlocmasher3368 not sure what to say other than mistakes happen, even if it is your own deck.
Imagine saying yes to a tempting offer for a basic, like bruh.
I can't understand the hatred towards Windgrace, considering the ridiculous boardstate Grenzo had, into an obvious combo :(
Blame everyone who focused on mass land destruction when building their Windgrace decks...
#Samcheatcount2 he can't attack with glacial chasm on the field
I wished i saw more action from the melek player.
Michał Korybut Wiśniowiecki Spellslinger decks are often all-or nothing decks. Either they go off in a flurry of spells or they do nothing at all while trying to sculpt their hands
@@federicocarlucci7973 Tell me about it. Bought Melek myself and spent 8 turns doing nothing more than digging, scrying and playing a Fog Bank -.-
Look up the land called howltooth hollow it’s horible
Everyone is red, they picked the wrong color, team black
This week *_I’M_*
cireneg nilbog esion
This week I’m
how much you pay for that Gaea's Cradle SAMMMM?!?
Canyon Slough is pronounced Canyon Slew
when you destroyed doubling season instead of the puzzle box... ugh
Why your opponents wouldn't let you mulligan for free? Your hand was horrible.
Big cheats on turn 10. Mark cannot attack because of his glacial chasm
Doubling season in Lord Wingrace? Why?
Value? I'd assume to help just crank out more tokens, loyalty counters, etc.
First