I hit tennis with a guy finishes his racket by his hip. His forehand ground strokes are so good, power and precision. Your video makes a lot of sense to me. I can’t wait to practice this technique.
Cool man. That’s interesting. Is he from a clay court region of the world? In my experience clay court players tend to do this technique more than hard court players.
@ChrisLewit I tried your follow thru today. The ball traveled quite high above the net in terms of trajectory . It was deep with spin but unlike a flat shot that penetrated with a faster pace. I play a lot of doubles. Do you suggest this spinny shot in a double game?
@phillai9930 good work. You need to get spin and pace. You need both. Do not sacrifice a lot of pace. Try to get both together. Spin for doubles allows more angles and low balls dipping at the feet.
Chris - great video. Seem as though the low finish allows you to take the ball on the rise, hit over the top of the ball with outward extension and still hit heavy topspin. This is versus hitting a falling ball, where you brush up the back of the ball, which requires a high over the shoulder finish Thoughts?
Thanks for these thoughts. My take is you can do variations of a lower finish on dropping balls too. In modern tennis, the high over the shoulder classic finish is becoming more rare. You do see very low whipping finished sometimes on low balls or high ball attack shots
This training is on another level. It is good that you acknowledge the quality of Jeff Saltazein’s coaching. In fairness he does say that a low finish maximises topspin; exception being the Nadal follow through.
I think Nadal clearly has massive ISR on his forehand. He just tends to finish it over his head more often than not. I don't think anything player has ever attacked the outside of the ball on a forehand with more ESR and ISR than Nadal, with his signature hooking forehand.
@ChrisLewit thanks Chris. I love how you blended your instruction on the forehand with Brian Gordon's. I love how you look to emphasize ISR on the forehand, and of course, the ESR that that loads the weapon. In maybe the simplest terms, if one can emphasize ESR and ISR with as you point out, a relaxed passive wrist, one is definitely on track to a modern forehand.
@ChrisLewit thanks for this video it’s just an amazing explanation of the role of ISR!! I have a question though why does it look like you’re jumping from the right leg to the left everytime you hit the ball ? Is it a way to stay stable while the arm goes forward ? Could you do the same thing in a square stance with grounded feet and weight transfer without jumping??
Thanks very much. Really appreciate this. It’s just a demo. Sometimes we teach jumping in closed stance. It’s okay. Sometimes I stay grounded. Depends on the situation. Hope that helps. Let me know any questions.
First off I really love your content.Just from my observation of watching some of the pros they finish in different possition all the time. When you look at Sinner, most of his shots finish looping over his shoulder. As long as the shoulder rotates (windscreen wiper) on contact, does it really matter what height the hand finishes. Like Nadal, his elbow is high and often goes over his head and back around, with the racket often loose in his hand. And does the ball height make a difference on where you finish. I personal use a lower forhand finish like yours on short low balls but a higher finish at the back, not sure why I do that. Thanks again
Great points! I will address more later. On the court now!! You are right, there are many different finishes and they can be situational. My goal is to start my players with the low finish and let the other variations appear. I will add more answers later.
Be aware of the danger with too much focus on wipering: powderpuff shots with very little penetration! Depth of shots is such a big thing in tennis, rarely seen in rec level. What’s the solution? To know that windshield wiper action is not just right to the left but also back to the front!! Edit: Above comment was before seeing the last few minutes. The coach mentioned the extension forward briefly. That’s the crucial thing for penetration. That was my point.
i dont understand the shirt , suffer the spanish way? great videos by the way, just popped up on my youtube feed and subscribed, very descriptive and answers alot of why we do this questions that we never ask when were learning
Thank you my friend. I wrote the bestselling book Secrets of Spanish Tennis and Secrets of Spanish Tennis 2.0 just came out. In the book, suffering is a key component of the Spanish ethos.
High follow throughs are still used commonly on tour. I believe in teaching low finishes to aid in the parabolic swing and elasticity. In terms of looping recovery shot I don’t think they need to be a high follow through, in my opinion. Most pros will likely reverse finish for those shots under duress. I have a new video coming out soon about the reverse forehand.
how fascinating youtube algorithm does suggesting your video! i’ve been finding fundamental answers for understanding the biomechanics of atp modern next gen forehand for months, and your video guides me to the core of the science behind. couldn’t thank you enough for mentioning Mr.Brian Gordon, I definitely hit the subscribe button and will spend time watching your videos. btw, i also just order your book on amz. many many thanks! all the best!
Chris, terrific as usual. Wondering about some coaches advocating a “racquet head above wrist” take back. When I watch the pros, Tommy Paul as one example, he doesn’t do this. His wrist looks very relaxed and almost “cupped”, the opposite of “racquet head above wrist”. I’m I misinterpreting? Seems to me the Tommy Paul wrist position would help foster the loose parabolic swing. Can you comment?
Yes pros like Tommy and Frances and many others do this NextGen style. Musetti comes to mind. Possibly Cam Norrie. I need to check the high speed video. You make a good point about how that can loosen things up. In general though most pros take the racquet back above the hand. It’s not bad advice
@@ChrisLewit I think Rick Macci has said that the racquet head above wrist position adds acceleration to the swing. Fascinating stuff! My own take back definitely has a high elbow, although I don’t think my wrist places the racquet head well above the wrist. I sure like your advice about the parabolic swing, straight arm and racquet below wrist finish. Gonna work on it! Also, just bought your book on Spanish tennis. Keep up the good work and great videos!
@ronswaine5562 thanks you so much. I respect Rick a lot and he works with Brian Gordon. Brian says the racquet head needs to be above the hand before the pull and flip so in that context you are right. But in the beginning of the takeback there are many ways including the high elbow style that you like. They are all good ways in my opinion so long as the racquet enters the extension part of the swing head above the hand. It’s a little complicated. Let me know if you have any further questions.
Another question is re semi-open stance. In my progression I had classic flat swing initially but soon I developed the window wiper by having my elbow through my eyes. I do it from neutral stance and make a step forward or half step. If I start from open stance my swings are shorter, shots are shallow and do not contain so heavy ball power. recently I added relaxed wrist, cleaning the table, while window wiping and my shots became more reliable inside the court. but do I really need the open stance ( I am right eye dominant) or should I proceed with neutral stance? What advantages / disadvantages it gives the tennis player? )
I have written extensively about eye dominance. The field tests for eye dominance are not reliable. See Dr Laby’s work. He has some very good videos on this. I have a chapter on eye dominance in my new book Winning Pretty, coming out soon. You need both closed and open stances on match play. You need to master both my friend. I can tell you more if you send me your forehand video. I give quick assessments for free in my WhatsApp 914-462-2912. For more detailed assessment I can be hired to consult. I’m curious about your swing now. Words are not good. Video better for me to assess
good one, shows some nuances! however not clear, about the high finish, like Nadal, particularly given he was Spanish school. And Federer being originally classic but then he combined modern and finishes into shoulder and he learned from Nadal to finish high, if I am not mistaken, when he needs defending topspin. how do these finishes influence the shot? what do they give?
A high follow through at the end provides not advantage as far as I can see. Nadal taps his biceps. That is a medium height finish. Lower than classical above the shoulder. Federer too often finishes lower. Let me know any follow up questions. Hope that helps. Do you mean reverse finish when you say high finish? Reverse finish we have another video coming about soon. It gives more topspin.
The most important thing is to lift as you make impact and extend. The actual end of the swing is less important than the crucial moment around the impact but as I said in the video, the final resting place of the racquet can influence psychologically what happen before in the swing pre-impact.
Interesting & informative. Curious whether you can suggest a drill that better ensures ISR precedes pronation. The exercises you suggest all allow pronation to lead ISR. (The third drill (@16:40) is even easier if pronation precedes ISR, but that's not what you're looking for.)
Thanks very much. Interesting observation. I’m not sure I understand your comment. Maybe you can rephrase it? There is a whipping drill I like where ESR in the lag phase would lead to ISR and pronation. But I’m not sure ISR and pronation need to be separately worked on or the order matters. If you do the wipering action you will get pronation and ISR together. They work as a team. I don’t see how pronation on the forehand needs to be a key focus point.
@@ChrisLewit Thanks for replying so thoroughly. It’s certainly possible that I misunderstood the video. My questions come from your and Brian Gordon’s focus on maximizing ISR to generate faster racquet speed. 1. ISR vs Pronation. From watching various tennis coaches on You Tube, there seems to be some confusion between ISR and pronation. To ensure a player is trying to maximize ISR, it may be useful for the player to try drills that focus on maximizing ISR so the player develops a good feel for what that is. Otherwise, the player may be trying to maximize pronation, which might or might not result in maximizing ISR. 2. Experimenting. It’s possible that training ISR speed will maximize ISR. It’s also possible that training with a focus on pronation will maximize ISR. Or focusing the speed of the player’s torso might maximize ISR. My view is that a trainee should try different ways to achieve maximizing ISR and that one useful thing to try might be drills that focus directly on maximizing ISR. 3. Translating Data Into Technique. Mark Kovacs has pointed out that serve speed correlates best with back hip speed. It’s possible that just thinking about back hip speed or getting a special verbal cue would increase hip speed. It’s also possible that training left oblique speed would maximize back hip speed. Instead, Kovacs suggests a drill that directly activates the back hip. So, he has used the data to create a drill that directly helps the player develop the action the data refers to. I’m curious about the drill in your reply above.
@snowy6753 thanks for this. I don’t necessarily agree about the distinction between pronation and ISR or training both separately. Please link to the videos of coaches who are saying that. I’m curious. You don’t need to even think about pronation on the forehand. I never have myself nor have I taught pronation on the forehand. Pronation comes from the forearm. ISR comes from the shoulder joint. Together they form long-axis rotation.
@snowy6753 I agree with Mark Kovacs about the back hip training with rear leg drive. I also agree with the suggestion that left oblique training can help increase the speed of the back hip and the shoulder over shoulder rotation on the serve. Hope that helps.
Thanks very much! Inverted for me means at the end of the swing the racquet is lower than the hand. Some pros do this and some do not but it’s a great way to check for tension in your arm. You want the absence of tension.
I think its more important to see where the young Athlets tend to swing pressing them in one Form is in my opinion wrong.Look at the greatest forehands ever they are all different the most important thing is to Hit the Ball at the 45 angle. Best example is Del Potro with one of the Biggest forehands ever he played in a very almost old fashion way with a eastern Grip classic loop not tapping the dog not leading with the tip of the raquet but he has a huge forehand right?
I mostly agree. This is not one form. I give the kids parameters and work with them and their swing. This is not the only way. I am just sharing it as a very good way and a novel way to develop the attributes that are important for the modern forehand. And I am a bit concerned when I see coaches forcing kids to follow through to the shoulder causing them to be very stiff.
The crazy thing is ive seen my son 7 years old do this naturally sometimes finishing low instead of high..when i do drills with him... but the group coach always tells him to finish over shoulder..
@ChrisLewit he doesn't have a coach coach yet.. we just do group and i train him.. and he does multi sports... We are going to find a coach when he's 8 and double up in the privates. Also, plan to visit your academy when he's 8. See you soon
Very important to let the racquet head at contact over take and roll the elbow and not the other way round or classic windshield wiper where the elbow rotates the racquet
Thanks very much for sharing. I’m not sure I follow the biomechanics here. The shoulder is rotating the humerus (upper arm). The elbow is not a rotating joint. It is a hinge joint. Do you mean the mass of the racquet is causing the internal shoulder rotation? Thanks for clarifying.
@ChrisLewit the point I'm trying to make is that the kinetic chain or coordination chain at the point of contact has now reached the racquet head, so now the chain has to go in reverse. The energy in the racquet head should cause the elbow to roll out so the arm and racquet can smoothly and efficiently rotate around the body. It's also important to understand that as the body rotates into the shot that it needs to slow down so that the arm and raquet can speed up so the energy transfers correctly and efficiently.
@ChrisLewit yes, the shoulder slows down so it can rotate in the socket and that sends the energy thru the arm and into the racquet. The shoulder continues thru as a result of the arm and racquet finishing off their rotation around the body. I think a lot of players understand how to get things started, but don't realize that the previous part in the chain needs to slow so the the next link can fire.
@ChrisLewit notice how the body and shoulder slow down so that the arm and racquet can speed up. Letting the arm and racquet win the race so to speak. ua-cam.com/users/shortsG7ZJNaszMrc?si=pkwQTsFvm6A9rmn2
Thanks for this. When you are just shadowing or hitting slowly there is smaller lag. When you accelerate fully there is more lag. I do see good lag on the swings when I accelerate on this video. Thank you
I love the vibe and the way this is being explained but the forehand technique here looks very odd to me. I don’t see the wrist breaking to allow wrist lag but instead the instructor racket and forearm seem to stay in the same plane together. Something looks very wrong and the swing action looks very unsmooth despite the instructor saying all the right things. What am I missing? Thx
Thanks very much! My forehand definitely has lag but maybe at slow speed less than typical. I don’t see a swing that is not smooth. It looks smooth to me. During shaping drills there will be minimal lag because there is no acceleration. Maybe that’s what you are seeing.
@ hey thanks so much for your reply. Everything you say makes sense and I’m sure the wrist is breaking and lagging but it can’t been seen. That said you also take the racket back flat and face down so not on edge say like Federer before he drops it. Again this makes sense is many ways and I used to do this myself but is this unconventional or part of the “next gen” forehand? Thx
@KenFlanagan thanks. NextGen typically means the strings would face the back wall towards the camera. The hand is inverted. I don’t have too much inversion, but I also have a conservative forehand grip like Alcaraz. More western grips tend to have more NextGen style like that. Hope that helps.
True!! VERY IMPORTANT that the 'words' match the 'demonstration'. Especially knowing that most students learn visually or kinaesthetically. Too much knowledge can sometimes be ineffective when coaching! 😀
I dont see any advantage of that follow through technique. Follow through should be natural depending on the situation on the court like the buggy whip you dont use buggy whip on every stroke right Nadal was a excemption.
@gunterjauch9051 thanks very much. The advantage is for the learning. To learn looseness and internal shoulder rotation. That’s the main point of the method. As you get more advanced there are many finishes situationally as you correctly mention
@@ChrisLewit Does not a beginner first have to learn to contact the ball, then an upward arc get it over the net, then different contact points to direct it to various parts of the court, then some extension to develop depth, then brushing up the back of the ball to develop spin. Then they start on the features you mention as part of the ATP forehand, the modern forehand, the next gen forehand and whatever extra adjectives we will add to show modern ATP next gen forehand is old hat and we are really up to date. And is the 'Spanish forehand' now passe? Having said that, a good video to start a Q&A at a coach's conference.
@jameshaslam9309 I’m not saying the progression you are saying is wrong. I’m just saying there could be a better way that cuts right to the chase and builds the parabolic swing shape early on. I do it all the time with kids and like to skip the progressions you mentioned. I do focus on extension within the parabolic swing shape though. I think if you can get a kid to do this early on you can potentially skip a lot of the steps you mentioned speeding up development time.
Guys. The first half of video talks about the technique and the second half features some practical drills. Hope you learn some good stuff!
I hit tennis with a guy finishes his racket by his hip. His forehand ground strokes are so good, power and precision. Your video makes a lot of sense to me. I can’t wait to practice this technique.
Thank you very much. Let me know any technique questions!
Very helpful! Nice to see videos out there from a real expert!
Really appreciate this. Thank you my friend
Great video. Very important with the internal shoulder rotation. I love your videos
Thank you my friend.
One of my teammates exacrly follows thru like this and he generates massive topspin. Great insight ! I can't wait to try
Cool man. That’s interesting. Is he from a clay court region of the world? In my experience clay court players tend to do this technique more than hard court players.
@ChrisLewit yes, he was trained in Spain in his early days
@phillai9930 Very interesting thanks for sharing
@ChrisLewit I tried your follow thru today. The ball traveled quite high above the net in terms of trajectory . It was deep with spin but unlike a flat shot that penetrated with a faster pace. I play a lot of doubles. Do you suggest this spinny shot in a double game?
@phillai9930 good work. You need to get spin and pace. You need both. Do not sacrifice a lot of pace. Try to get both together. Spin for doubles allows more angles and low balls dipping at the feet.
Chris - great video. Seem as though the low finish allows you to take the ball on the rise, hit over the top of the ball with outward extension and still hit heavy topspin. This is versus hitting a falling ball, where you brush up the back of the ball, which requires a high over the shoulder finish Thoughts?
Thanks for these thoughts. My take is you can do variations of a lower finish on dropping balls too. In modern tennis, the high over the shoulder classic finish is becoming more rare. You do see very low whipping finished sometimes on low balls or high ball attack shots
Great video, great coach and a first class facility up near Manchester Vermont!
Thank you very much. All are welcome to come train with me in Manchester Vermont. I am a real coach working in the trenches daily.
Excellent video, please keep them coming
Thank you my friend!
This training is on another level. It is good that you acknowledge the quality of Jeff Saltazein’s coaching. In fairness he does say that a low finish maximises topspin; exception being the Nadal follow through.
Thank you so much. I think Jeff has some of the best content on UA-cam and it’s unfortunate he is focusing on other projects.
I miss Jeff’s content
I think Nadal clearly has massive ISR on his forehand. He just tends to finish it over his head more often than not. I don't think anything player has ever attacked the outside of the ball on a forehand with more ESR and ISR than Nadal, with his signature hooking forehand.
@themrstroke good thoughts.
@ChrisLewit thanks Chris. I love how you blended your instruction on the forehand with Brian Gordon's. I love how you look to emphasize ISR on the forehand, and of course, the ESR that that loads the weapon. In maybe the simplest terms, if one can emphasize ESR and ISR with as you point out, a relaxed passive wrist, one is definitely on track to a modern forehand.
Thanks for this great informative video!
Thank you my friend. Let me know if you have any questions.
Best video I've seen on this 👏
Thank you very much my friend.
This is great. Super drills!
This is good stuff, do you have a beginner basics day 1 video I could watch? I know that’s not your client but that’s me!
Thank you my friend. I will work to make something for you in future!!
@ChrisLewit thanks for this video it’s just an amazing explanation of the role of ISR!! I have a question though why does it look like you’re jumping from the right leg to the left everytime you hit the ball ? Is it a way to stay stable while the arm goes forward ? Could you do the same thing in a square stance with grounded feet and weight transfer without jumping??
Thanks very much. Really appreciate this. It’s just a demo. Sometimes we teach jumping in closed stance. It’s okay. Sometimes I stay grounded. Depends on the situation. Hope that helps. Let me know any questions.
@@ChrisLewitThank you for your fast reply
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Love the video!!
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Awesome video 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
Thank you! Much appreciated!
First off I really love your content.Just from my observation of watching some of the pros they finish in different possition all the time. When you look at Sinner, most of his shots finish looping over his shoulder. As long as the shoulder rotates (windscreen wiper) on contact, does it really matter what height the hand finishes. Like Nadal, his elbow is high and often goes over his head and back around, with the racket often loose in his hand. And does the ball height make a difference on where you finish. I personal use a lower forhand finish like yours on short low balls but a higher finish at the back, not sure why I do that. Thanks again
Great points! I will address more later. On the court now!! You are right, there are many different finishes and they can be situational.
My goal is to start my players with the low finish and let the other variations appear. I will add more answers later.
Ball height definitely a factor too!
Thank you so much
Be aware of the danger with too much focus on wipering: powderpuff shots with very little penetration! Depth of shots is such a big thing in tennis, rarely seen in rec level.
What’s the solution? To know that windshield wiper action is not just right to the left but also back to the front!!
Edit: Above comment was before seeing the last few minutes. The coach mentioned the extension forward briefly. That’s the crucial thing for penetration. That was my point.
Yes my friend. You are 100 percent right. When we work on wipering I always combine with an emphasis on extension too.
i dont understand the shirt , suffer the spanish way? great videos by the way, just popped up on my youtube feed and subscribed, very descriptive and answers alot of why we do this questions that we never ask when were learning
Thank you my friend. I wrote the bestselling book Secrets of Spanish Tennis and Secrets of Spanish Tennis 2.0 just came out. In the book, suffering is a key component of the Spanish ethos.
Great stuff! Isn't a high follow through still used for a loopy recovery shot?
High follow throughs are still used commonly on tour. I believe in teaching low finishes to aid in the parabolic swing and elasticity.
In terms of looping recovery shot I don’t think they need to be a high follow through, in my opinion. Most pros will likely reverse finish for those shots under duress. I have a new video coming out soon about the reverse forehand.
Thank you very much for the comment
how fascinating youtube algorithm does suggesting your video! i’ve been finding fundamental answers for understanding the biomechanics of atp modern next gen forehand for months, and your video guides me to the core of the science behind. couldn’t thank you enough for mentioning Mr.Brian Gordon, I definitely hit the subscribe button and will spend time watching your videos. btw, i also just order your book on amz.
many many thanks! all the best!
Thank you very much. I enjoy studying the mysteries of tennis technique. Let me know any questions. Thanks
Chris
Chris, terrific as usual. Wondering about some coaches advocating a “racquet head above wrist” take back. When I watch the pros, Tommy Paul as one example, he doesn’t do this. His wrist looks very relaxed and almost “cupped”, the opposite of “racquet head above wrist”. I’m I misinterpreting? Seems to me the Tommy Paul wrist position would help foster the loose parabolic swing. Can you comment?
Yes pros like Tommy and Frances and many others do this NextGen style. Musetti comes to mind. Possibly Cam Norrie. I need to check the high speed video. You make a good point about how that can loosen things up.
In general though most pros take the racquet back above the hand. It’s not bad advice
@@ChrisLewit I think Rick Macci has said that the racquet head above wrist position adds acceleration to the swing. Fascinating stuff! My own take back definitely has a high elbow, although I don’t think my wrist places the racquet head well above the wrist. I sure like your advice about the parabolic swing, straight arm and racquet below wrist finish. Gonna work on it! Also, just bought your book on Spanish tennis. Keep up the good work and great videos!
@ronswaine5562 thanks you so much. I respect Rick a lot and he works with Brian Gordon. Brian says the racquet head needs to be above the hand before the pull and flip so in that context you are right. But in the beginning of the takeback there are many ways including the high elbow style that you like. They are all good ways in my opinion so long as the racquet enters the extension part of the swing head above the hand. It’s a little complicated. Let me know if you have any further questions.
Another question is re semi-open stance. In my progression I had classic flat swing initially but soon I developed the window wiper by having my elbow through my eyes. I do it from neutral stance and make a step forward or half step. If I start from open stance my swings are shorter, shots are shallow and do not contain so heavy ball power. recently I added relaxed wrist, cleaning the table, while window wiping and my shots became more reliable inside the court. but do I really need the open stance ( I am right eye dominant) or should I proceed with neutral stance? What advantages / disadvantages it gives the tennis player? )
I have written extensively about eye dominance. The field tests for eye dominance are not reliable. See Dr Laby’s work. He has some very good videos on this. I have a chapter on eye dominance in my new book Winning Pretty, coming out soon. You need both closed and open stances on match play. You need to master both my friend. I can tell you more if you send me your forehand video. I give quick assessments for free in my WhatsApp 914-462-2912. For more detailed assessment I can be hired to consult. I’m curious about your swing now. Words are not good. Video better for me to assess
good one, shows some nuances! however not clear, about the high finish, like Nadal, particularly given he was Spanish school. And Federer being originally classic but then he combined modern and finishes into shoulder and he learned from Nadal to finish high, if I am not mistaken, when he needs defending topspin. how do these finishes influence the shot? what do they give?
A high follow through at the end provides not advantage as far as I can see. Nadal taps his biceps. That is a medium height finish. Lower than classical above the shoulder. Federer too often finishes lower. Let me know any follow up questions. Hope that helps. Do you mean reverse finish when you say high finish?
Reverse finish we have another video coming about soon. It gives more topspin.
The most important thing is to lift as you make impact and extend. The actual end of the swing is less important than the crucial moment around the impact but as I said in the video, the final resting place of the racquet can influence psychologically what happen before in the swing pre-impact.
Interesting & informative. Curious whether you can suggest a drill that better ensures ISR precedes pronation. The exercises you suggest all allow pronation to lead ISR. (The third drill (@16:40) is even easier if pronation precedes ISR, but that's not what you're looking for.)
Thanks very much. Interesting observation. I’m not sure I understand your comment. Maybe you can rephrase it? There is a whipping drill I like where ESR in the lag phase would lead to ISR and pronation. But I’m not sure ISR and pronation need to be separately worked on or the order matters. If you do the wipering action you will get pronation and ISR together. They work as a team. I don’t see how pronation on the forehand needs to be a key focus point.
@@ChrisLewit Thanks for replying so thoroughly. It’s certainly possible that I misunderstood the video.
My questions come from your and Brian Gordon’s focus on maximizing ISR to generate faster racquet speed.
1. ISR vs Pronation. From watching various tennis coaches on You Tube, there seems to be some confusion between ISR and pronation. To ensure a player is trying to maximize ISR, it may be useful for the player to try drills that focus on maximizing ISR so the player develops a good feel for what that is. Otherwise, the player may be trying to maximize pronation, which might or might not result in maximizing ISR.
2. Experimenting. It’s possible that training ISR speed will maximize ISR. It’s also possible that training with a focus on pronation will maximize ISR. Or focusing the speed of the player’s torso might maximize ISR. My view is that a trainee should try different ways to achieve maximizing ISR and that one useful thing to try might be drills that focus directly on maximizing ISR.
3. Translating Data Into Technique. Mark Kovacs has pointed out that serve speed correlates best with back hip speed. It’s possible that just thinking about back hip speed or getting a special verbal cue would increase hip speed. It’s also possible that training left oblique speed would maximize back hip speed. Instead, Kovacs suggests a drill that directly activates the back hip. So, he has used the data to create a drill that directly helps the player develop the action the data refers to.
I’m curious about the drill in your reply above.
@snowy6753 thanks for this. I don’t necessarily agree about the distinction between pronation and ISR or training both separately. Please link to the videos of coaches who are saying that. I’m curious. You don’t need to even think about pronation on the forehand. I never have myself nor have I taught pronation on the forehand. Pronation comes from the forearm. ISR comes from the shoulder joint. Together they form long-axis rotation.
@snowy6753 I agree with Mark Kovacs about the back hip training with rear leg drive. I also agree with the suggestion that left oblique training can help increase the speed of the back hip and the shoulder over shoulder rotation on the serve. Hope that helps.
Great vid, Thankyou 🎉
Thanks so much, let me know if you have any questions!
Great video 👍
Can you just please elaborate on what you mean by “inverted” finish please?
Thanks very much! Inverted for me means at the end of the swing the racquet is lower than the hand. Some pros do this and some do not but it’s a great way to check for tension in your arm. You want the absence of tension.
Ok makes sense, thanks 🙏.
Just tried it on the court, playing with strong semi western and loved the spin and the ball flight 👍🤓
@ruggerosale ok super cool. Let me know any questions.
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I think its more important to see where the young Athlets tend to swing pressing them in one Form is in my opinion wrong.Look at the greatest forehands ever they are all different the most important thing is to Hit the Ball at the 45 angle.
Best example is Del Potro with one of the Biggest forehands ever he played in a very almost old fashion way with a eastern Grip classic loop not tapping the dog not leading with the tip of the raquet but he has a huge forehand right?
I mostly agree. This is not one form. I give the kids parameters and work with them and their swing. This is not the only way. I am just sharing it as a very good way and a novel way to develop the attributes that are important for the modern forehand. And I am a bit concerned when I see coaches forcing kids to follow through to the shoulder causing them to be very stiff.
The crazy thing is ive seen my son 7 years old do this naturally sometimes finishing low instead of high..when i do drills with him... but the group coach always tells him to finish over shoulder..
That is so true. I have commented in the past that this is very very common.
And that coaching goes on all the time and kills elasticity.
A lot of people will intuitively finish the way I am advocating and the typical coaching methods will force them to follow through above shoulder.
@ChrisLewit he doesn't have a coach coach yet.. we just do group and i train him.. and he does multi sports...
We are going to find a coach when he's 8 and double up in the privates. Also, plan to visit your academy when he's 8. See you soon
I wanted to be a strong 4.5 ladies player: need coach like you
That’s a great goal. Players come from all over the world to train with me here in Manchester Vermont at my high performance club
Very important to let the racquet head at contact over take and roll the elbow and not the other way round or classic windshield wiper where the elbow rotates the racquet
Thanks very much for sharing. I’m not sure I follow the biomechanics here. The shoulder is rotating the humerus (upper arm). The elbow is not a rotating joint. It is a hinge joint. Do you mean the mass of the racquet is causing the internal shoulder rotation? Thanks for clarifying.
Brian Gordon says there is active internal shoulder rotation on ATP type forehands. That causes the wiper action.
@ChrisLewit the point I'm trying to make is that the kinetic chain or coordination chain at the point of contact has now reached the racquet head, so now the chain has to go in reverse. The energy in the racquet head should cause the elbow to roll out so the arm and racquet can smoothly and efficiently rotate around the body. It's also important to understand that as the body rotates into the shot that it needs to slow down so that the arm and raquet can speed up so the energy transfers correctly and efficiently.
@ChrisLewit yes, the shoulder slows down so it can rotate in the socket and that sends the energy thru the arm and into the racquet. The shoulder continues thru as a result of the arm and racquet finishing off their rotation around the body. I think a lot of players understand how to get things started, but don't realize that the previous part in the chain needs to slow so the the next link can fire.
@ChrisLewit notice how the body and shoulder slow down so that the arm and racquet can speed up. Letting the arm and racquet win the race so to speak. ua-cam.com/users/shortsG7ZJNaszMrc?si=pkwQTsFvm6A9rmn2
In your video while you are swinging your wrist is not set back..can you elaborate why not???
Thanks for this. When you are just shadowing or hitting slowly there is smaller lag. When you accelerate fully there is more lag. I do see good lag on the swings when I accelerate on this video. Thank you
I love the vibe and the way this is being explained but the forehand technique here looks very odd to me. I don’t see the wrist breaking to allow wrist lag but instead the instructor racket and forearm seem to stay in the same plane together. Something looks very wrong and the swing action looks very unsmooth despite the instructor saying all the right things. What am I missing? Thx
Thanks very much! My forehand definitely has lag but maybe at slow speed less than typical. I don’t see a swing that is not smooth. It looks smooth to me. During shaping drills there will be minimal lag because there is no acceleration. Maybe that’s what you are seeing.
@ hey thanks so much for your reply. Everything you say makes sense and I’m sure the wrist is breaking and lagging but it can’t been seen. That said you also take the racket back flat and face down so not on edge say like Federer before he drops it. Again this makes sense is many ways and I used to do this myself but is this unconventional or part of the “next gen” forehand? Thx
@KenFlanagan thanks. NextGen typically means the strings would face the back wall towards the camera. The hand is inverted. I don’t have too much inversion, but I also have a conservative forehand grip like Alcaraz. More western grips tend to have more NextGen style like that. Hope that helps.
True!! VERY IMPORTANT that the 'words' match the 'demonstration'. Especially knowing that most students learn visually or kinaesthetically. Too much knowledge can sometimes be ineffective when coaching! 😀
@MrBounce77 agree with this.
Guy. Please let me know any questions.
Dis is wat tommy paul has
Yes thank you my friend for sharing.
I would never teach this to beginners
Thanks. It’s a different approach. I work with many beginners and the method works very well actually.
I dont see any advantage of that follow through technique.
Follow through should be natural depending on the situation on the court like the buggy whip you dont use buggy whip on every stroke right Nadal was a excemption.
@gunterjauch9051 thanks very much. The advantage is for the learning. To learn looseness and internal shoulder rotation. That’s the main point of the method. As you get more advanced there are many finishes situationally as you correctly mention
@@ChrisLewit Does not a beginner first have to learn to contact the ball, then an upward arc get it over the net, then different contact points to direct it to various parts of the court, then some extension to develop depth, then brushing up the back of the ball to develop spin. Then they start on the features you mention as part of the ATP forehand, the modern forehand, the next gen forehand and whatever extra adjectives we will add to show modern ATP next gen forehand is old hat and we are really up to date. And is the 'Spanish forehand' now passe? Having said that, a good video to start a Q&A at a coach's conference.
@jameshaslam9309 I’m not saying the progression you are saying is wrong. I’m just saying there could be a better way that cuts right to the chase and builds the parabolic swing shape early on. I do it all the time with kids and like to skip the progressions you mentioned. I do focus on extension within the parabolic swing shape though. I think if you can get a kid to do this early on you can potentially skip a lot of the steps you mentioned speeding up development time.
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Thank you my friend!
Nobody use that swing and finish in atp !!!
That’s not true my brother. I put Kyrgios video in there and there are many many more