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- Опубліковано 26 вер 2024
- I want to start with an appology! I used the wrong mic! ARGH. I did a re-take with the correct one, but it wasn't as spontaneous or fun.
So please accept slightly lower audio quality. You may have to turn your speakers up.
Mea culpa, mea maxima culpa.
Thank you Anthony. Here's to the next 7,000 subscribers. 🥂
I'd love to hear about Victorian carriages. Goods wagons and permanent way vehicles too. 90% of information seems to concentrate on locomotives.
I don't think that even the Bank of England knew who built Rocket. Remember the £5.00 note with Rocket and George Stephenson? 😂
A funny coincidence today after listening to you talk about the many electrification schemes, I was just browsing some old Backtracks at my model club and came across a lengthy article about the same thing and it references a 1909 book by a Philip Dawson
Almost choked laughing very early on with the 'Green Wet and Rusty'! I do like the GWR, but I'm not too fussed on many of the later, larger engines. Anything Dean, or prior, though.... Some very interesting questions here, and well-answered! I always enjoy hearing you speak on railways, although I could very well listen to you discuss anything and stay invested!
I loved your light up at the end, such a passionate creator is just what the hobby needs! Congratulations on your achievements!
Thankyou!
Congrats again on 7k - thanks for answering my questions - who knew railways banned facial hair! Would love to have seen the looks on people's faces seeing you 'step out' of a painting :P
It was, for the want of an expression, a picture.
Enjoyed learning more about Henry Booth, I think he deserves a full episode to himself. Also perhaps you could do one about Joseph Locke's contractual arrangements which developed to be the standard management for large civil engineering schemes in contrast to the sometimes chaotic arrangements of Brunel and Stephenson.
He does, and Locke certainly does.
@@AnthonyDawsonHistory only if Hudson gets one too ..... 👹
Loved it - you were responsible for me buying a OO Lion !..even though it's not "authentic" the preservation history is amazing.
Thank you for answering my question Anthony, it was a very interesting little story.
Congrats again!
Congrats on 7K!!
I've gotta say, after watching your video on Lion, I got interested in other locos like it.
The Liverpool and Manchester Railway's, Stephenson's Rocket is a very interesting locomotive, very cute. :]
Very cute indeed! Small and yellow like a bumblebee
Thank you Anthony, particularly enjoyed the discussion on Henry Booth
Damn, should have mentioned those were from Beyer and peacock, also, what is “Nasmyth, Gaskell/Wilson and Co.”? I need to know, anyway Those two made the first 2 batches of locomotives (I believe 0-6-4T, and 2-6-4T,) to the railway from 1882-87so yeah {and the Caracas thing is that both are with a hard K like sound}
I feel an idiot - I shouldve recognised Caracas. Argh! my bad.
Nasmyth, Gaskell & Co were a locomotive builder and general engineers to the west of Manchester located in patricroft. Set up by GHolbrook Gaskell family of Warrington (if you've ever heard of the novelist Mrs Elizabeth Gaskell her husband, the Rev William Gaskell was their cousin) and James Nasmyth, the inventor of the Steam Hammer in 1836. Became Nasmyth Wilson & Co in the 1860s and thereafter most of their locos were for export - especially in the late 19th century thanks to the Manchester Ship Canal.
Quite surprised that the early Railways did banned facial hair. Did enjoy the Q&A
There's probably a video in this: but most early railway managers were Army officers. The army was clean shaven other than the squad of Pioneers.
I’ve been listening to your our stories for three years now when I have my stress so angry I just come click on your channel and just listen
Should I branch out into Audio books and story telling?
ill always enjoy your content since you started making rail stories also congratulations on reaching 7k subscribers!
Clearing up some information on the single Baldwin built Vauclain compound Puffing Billy NA class of the Victorian Railways in Australia.
Only the first two were built by Baldwin to their standard class designs. NA 1 as simple expansion and NA 2 as a Vauclain four cylinder compound. So just one Baldwin Vauclain NA.
The remaining 15 locomotives were built a the VR Newport Workshops from 1900 to 1916. These used a slightly improved version of the Baldwin design. NA 4 was a Newport built compound using some of the spares provided by Baldwin.
The Baldwins and the VR compound were the first to be scrapped. With the compounds going in 1929 and 1933. Partly due to the delivery of two Beyer Garratt locomotives doing the heavier tasks on the four 30 inch gauge lines, but the Baldwin and compound types presented more problems.
A big proportion of the Newport built locomotives are still performing and can be seen in daily service from Belgrave to Gembrook, just to the East of Melbourne.
The other Vauclain compounds on the VR were 15 broad gauge V class 2-8-0 locomotives of 1900 Baldwin design .
Again the VR approach of just the class leader imported with the others produced locally. I assume with some sort of licence fee. Never saw or heard of any agreement.
These larger 63 inch gauge engines did far more work, but testing soon showed net higher costs. So by 1912 they started being converted to simple expansion.
I know only the first two were Baldwins and the remainder builder a Newport. But thanks!
@@AnthonyDawsonHistory and only one of the two Baldwin's were compounds.
@@johnd8892 yep yep. One of my life time ambitions is to go to Aus and travel on the Puffing Billy. Ive got as many books about it as I can find and hoover you their UA-cam Channel.
@@AnthonyDawsonHistory It would be a good idea to also visit another of the old narrow gauge railways in Victoria. The Walhalla Goldfields Railway operates in a deep gorge so narrow that for a kilometre, it is supported on bridges above Stringers Creek. It's as spectacular as any narrow gauge Welsh railway I've seen, although services are mostly diesel and steam is only operated occasionally.
@@Dave_Sisson We'll have to arrange a crowd-funder to send Rail Story to Aus!
Congratulations on the 7k. I wonder if the 8f you mention was 48151? Mr Smith was and still is a coal merchant as well as running WCRC.
At 14:19 with closed captions on, there is a surprising translation trying to cope with Anthony's accent.
Would never expect that in the context of railway history.
I see what you mean.🤭
Have you seen the Command Paper on the grouping (it's available on the Railway Archive if you haven't)? This would have had the NER and the H&B being a separate group to the GNR, GCR and GER and all of the railways in Scotland being a third group. This would have meant that the NER's plans for electrification going ahead once the economy had settled down.
On a separate note, the quality of the audio is not up to your normal standards with lists of static hiss when you talk.
I read as much as I could find about the grouping for a feature for Steam Railway. All the white papers, etc etc.
As I said in the description, I used the wrong mic. I cleaned it up beautifully in Audacity but once uploaded to youtube full of hiss.
Sorry I didn't say this on the last video, but a very heart congratulations on 7000 subscribers. I remember my friend showed me your channel and I've loved it since. It's given me a new appreciation for the pre-1870's era of Railroading. Cheers from the home of Baldwin Locomotive Works and heres to more subscribers and content! Also, thank you for the answer. I completely forgot Coke fuel produced less exhaust than Coal. I remember seeing the A class in London last year, its a deceptively massive thing. Also, yeah, thats a very Victorian quack idea for the cure lol
The A class is gorgeous and yes deceptively massive. Taking asthmatics into the Tube to breathe in the sulphurous air would certainly have reduced the number of cases.....terminally.
Congratulations on 7k and thanks for the answer!
Hello! Love your content! Also... 1st! [Thomas Reference]
About electrification. First of all, thank you to giving me an explanation about why there was no electrification of the railway lines from London toward Scotland. But I am not this sure that electrification cold have been done if grouping had not occurred. My doubt comes from the services run on the London-Edinburgh and London-Glasgow routes and what is said on an NRM publication about Gresley fast engines, where is said that engines like the A3 and A4 where needed to provide a service like Fliegende Hamburger with the comfort required by British passengers. Watching the electric engines running in France, Switzerland and mostly Italy, I think it could have been hard to provide the required speed. Maybe engines like italian E428 (meant to be an heavy express engine, 4-4-0+0-4-4, somewhat successful) and E326 (meant to be a fast limited expreess engine, 4-6-4, somewhat a disaster) coud have fared better on British heavier permanent way, provided they passed in the tunnels, and could have provided the required power and maybe the speed, since E326 were meant to reach 150 km/h (93.2 mph), but you should have needed double heading with them. For sure the ETR 200 EMU could have provided the speed and comfort, some have been built as a first class only train, some with both first and second class, all with restaurant service, but it was no larger that the Fliegende Hamburger. Electric trains providing the speed and comfort of the Flying Scotsman came late after WW2, AFAIK.
Sir Vincent Raven's 2-Co-2 1500V DC locomotives designed for the York-Newcastle route were 1800 horse power and designed to take a 450 ton passenger train at a top speed of 90mph. If there were heavier loads, they could be double-headed. Admittedly they were designed for the 'racing ground' between York and Newcastle but we don't know what the GNR would have designed for its section, but more than likely a version of Ravens EE1 design. Raven was a man well ahead of his time in terms of electriciation and I have no doubt in my mind that he would have produced an electric locomotive capable of the power and speed for the route.
@@AnthonyDawsonHistory Raven EE1 has the very same architecture of E326 (3 powered axles, firs of the architecture [2], 6 motors, two per axle). E326 was somewhat a disaster because of the long rigid wheelbase and thus was too aggressive for the Italian rails (36 kg/m), I think lighter that any mainline rail used in UK, so EE1 could have succeeded (it was also a bit lighter). But EE1 was still designed as a "steam locomotive with electric motors". Gresley and Stainer work was the result of a long evolution, the electric engines were much much younger.
@@GianUbertoLauri But if you also look at what Raven was doing, his shunting locomotives on bogeys (ES1 bo-bos) were following current American practice. His other electric units . His other designs the ten EF1 and EB1 (as the LNER called them) built for Shildon-Newport were chunkier and bit more old fashioned looking but also very capable machines capable of moving 1,000 tons. He clearly knew what he was doing and following modern trends. I think the EE1 would have been fine York-Newcastle as its relatively flat especially to Darlington, but in hillier country may have struggled: sadly, it was never put to the test as the LNER got in the way. One of those "what ifs".
@@AnthonyDawsonHistory EF1 and EB1 are not well known, and indeed the fact that they had no real test and no evolution leaves us with speculations and nothing more. But watching what happened on my side of the channel, especially in Switzerland and Italy, who went for electric engines very soon having limited or non existent coal supplies, but also Germany, we got an engine with the performance of the A4 only around the sixties of the last century. And Mr. Raven did what many other very smart designers did, and it was not immediate to understand that a bogie based engine was as stable as a traditional rigid frame engine. There was even an Hungarian engineer, who worked a lot in Italy too, it is possible he could not have conceived the bogies solution mainly because he distrusted gears, so all his engines had rods to transfer motion. Nevertheless he was a genius, I think he was the chap that created a device able to syncronize several different AC generators, thus enabling today power grids. He pioneer in fields that are common in today engineering (i.e. automatic controls) and conceived the idea of feeding a locomotive with the most available form of AC, 50Hz high voltage - should be 60Hz in USA and Japan - and then adapting it to feed three phase motors.
@@GianUbertoLauri I was just having a chat about this with a friend of mine, Ron Whalley, who was a design engineer with Davies & Metcalfe - he designed the brakes for the HST/Intercity 125 - and the Swiss system and the Crocodiles! Those locos are fantastic creations, and their technology is incredible for the time. So very, very clever.
Do we know what happened to Rocket's firebox? If you look at it today the rear plate of the firebox is there, but besides that there seems to be an empty gap between that and the back of the boiler - was the rest lost during the period where it was left disassembled or did something else happen (or am I just missing something)?
Most of the copper and brass was removed for scrap. There's no tubes in the boiler either, and only one very forlorn nameplate.
Not even close, it's Danish, but points for trying. That aside though, interesting, so there really was much more to wooden/iron wheels than I thought. Very interesting stuff!
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAhHH. Now I know that, I'll try again next time :-)
@@AnthonyDawsonHistory I better start thinking of more questions for the next milestone then!
You don’t happen to know were I can find drawings of Beyer & Peacock locomotives from 1860-1880?
The Beyer Peacock archive is held by the Science Museum, available here: www.scienceandindustrymuseum.org.uk/objects-and-stories/beyer-peacock
@@AnthonyDawsonHistory thanks I hope I can find what I’m looking for.
"Oh look it's a green 10 wheeler, wow!" had me laughing out loud! XD TBH I agree about the Big Four and onwards being boring :))
I have been a subscriber to your channel for about 2 years, and have always enjoyed your content. But please stick to railway content and leave out your political opinions.
Well done Anthony! Do you think you will ever do a video on Isaac Watt Boulton?
Audio problems
Your comment on the LNER pacifics (or at least A3 and 4) not happening in the event does make one wonder what would have pulled the trains north of the wires. Presumably initially Raven A2s to start with but I wonder if anything better would've come along or if the wires would've gone north before then. Certainly the poor "skittle alleys" might've been taxed trying to pull the trains the EE1 could manage.
The Ravens wouldve been challenged north of the Toon. But the North British would presumably have put a steamer on. A bit llike at Sheffield Victoria - changing over traction. Deeply inefficient.
Congratulations Anthony , still think the decimal point on your subs numbers should be shifted one spot to the right ! If i could subscribe 50 times i would ! The amount of research you do must be astounding! Thanks for the always amazing, always educational and always entertaining videos!
Thanks Ian. This one was done hands free with no script - how do I know this stuff? anyone?????? - but yeah they take a lot of research and fact checking. About a week for each one. I hope its worth it.
Congratulations on reaching 7K!
My 5 own favourite engines in no particular order - The Midland Railway 1738 class 4-4-0's (elegance personified - the LSWR Adams X2's are a close 2nd here), The Mersey Railway Class 1 0-6-4t's (there is one 'The Major' at Thirlmere in Australia - an incredible survivor however it's sadly in a very dilapidated state), essentially anything designed by J.C. Craven for the LBSCR but if I have to choose it would be his Singles, followed by his quirky 2-4-0 tanks, GCR Robinson C4 Atlantics, and it's a toss-up between Ramsbottom's DX Goods for the LNWR and Kirtley's range of outside crank 0-6-0's for the Midland.
Honorable mentions - Love any diminutive Manning Wardle tank, Manson's 4-6-0's for the GSWR, Dolgoch for the Tallylyn Railway, And the class 35 4-6-0's for the NSWGR with their deepl and unique valancing.
As to the NSWGR AD60 class locomotives, there is an impressive and awe-inspiring video of two Garretts double-heading up the Fassifern Bank outside of Newcastle. The locomotives were nearing the end of their lives and looked every part of it, but it must've been an impressive sight.
The NSWGR AD60 from broadcast quality film taken by a TV News editor with sound is also memorable :
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Searching for the preserved 6029 will reward anyone interested.
Running with the NA class that Anthony had as a favourite was the Victorian Railways 2ft 6in gauge Garratt G42 as preserved :
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And a promo vid for a DVD of these G class in the last years of normal service :
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The other in the class G41 was scrapped.
@@johnd8892 Yes that's a fantastic video. This is the video of the double-heading AD60's that I was thinking of:
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Fancy collaborating about the Mersey Railway 0-6-4Ts? Theres one in the UK and one with you. Massive beast but not quite on the enthusiast radar as they should be.
It's certainly incredible that such there are two extant examples still with us of such a small and obscure class of engines from the mid 1880's
As to Manson's 4-6-0's (381 class), I think they appeal to me because of their relative obscurity; because the GSWR is so poorly represented in preservation, and because if you're imagining what a quintessential British and specifically Edwardian-era 4-6-0 looks likeit owuld look very much like a Manson 381 class. They're handsome in an inoffensive and somewhat nondescript way. Also if you're playing fantasy 'which class would you like to see as a new build' then I'd put possible include of these in my top 10.
I forgot to mention, I do like the LNWR George the Fifth class engines. Unsure what's happening with the new-build there but sadly I suspect it's stalled because it's difficult to muster sufficient interest in pre-grouping and specifically anything non-GWR.