Jonny Wilkinson's drop-goal - the ref's view
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- Опубліковано 12 вер 2024
- Andre Watson looks back to his second Rugby World Cup final as referee and gives his thoughts on the memorable drop-goal from Jonny Wilkinson as England beat Australia.
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Loved the last point - he knew that as a referee he was obliged to give a penalty for offside, but as a rugby fan he wanted the result to come from the players. Totally sympathise with that, and thankfully for him he got his wish!
he was a good ref its the final let the win be a highlight
jack cloud With hindsight he was great ref but at the time as an Englishman, my god i was not a happy bunny with him. What a game though you couldnt have scripted it
bnzss agree but he should have stuck his arm out for advantage, pressure off. Miss and penalty eats up clock, no restart.
contrast this to Craig Joubert
"this game I believe is played in heaven"
That's a quote used by a lot of people in a lot of sports.
@Firsthgyhgyhuy Lastujhujhuj Yes it is but ok! 👍
I hope so. It’ll give me a good reason to keep myself fit.
What an honest account of refereeing under the pressure of the world watching you.
The best rugby game ever had
When an Australian commentator says the referee’s doing an outstanding job you can read quite a lot into his performance.
Why didn't he signal advantage to England.. ?? Still got to like his take on things!!
Fantastic point of view. Totally well said Mr Watson!
Had André Watson's refereeing been fair and unbiased that day, England would've won by 10-15 points.
Havn't seen this vid before. As others have said - love his last point about not looking forward to giving the penalty
Never even thought about it being on Jonny's wrong foot before, makes it even more amazing!!
I wasnt born when this happened . But over locldown i studied old games of rugby union ,cricket amd football . And ive watched the 2003 final twice . From a journalist point of view old games are fascinating . And from a sports persons view i believe that a referees vision is a key part to the game . So when im training with team.mates i always try and tell them poinys .on where the ref stands in situations.
Martin johnson's HUGE!
Last minute of normal time, he had “no hesitation” awarding a penalty to Australia.
Last minute of extra time he saw an obvious penalty to England but didn’t award it because he “wanted the players to decide it”. Uh-huh.
Confirmed what we suspected back then.
He was never going to give that pen for offside.
Good interview
Watson played 16 for Gold …. he hated England !!
Never in the history of Rugby has a team that has been so dominant in the scrum, given away so many penalties! It just does not make any sense.
The greatest union game ever,Elton flatly had the biggest balls ever seen on a rugby field
Indeed he did. I'm English and watched the game live in England. So very impressed by the Aussies that day. England were the best team in the world at that time and Australia never gave up, not that anyone expected them to, but what a fight they put up! The best rugby match I've ever watched.
I thought he was an awesome ref. It'll be interesting to see Joubert's view on 2011 considering the flak he got after the game.
That 2011 game was the most disgraceful game of rugby I have ever seen. Joubert was clearly biased and it was very sad to see from a rugby fun.
That was a sad day in Rugby
That was indeed a sad day for rugby. A disgrace. NZ only won because of the ref
I want to see joubert after australia v scotland 2015
World Cup final 2011 NZ 8 -- 7 France. Try by Woodcock through middle of lineout. Scandalous rehearsed cheat by Graeme Henry and NZ (they had done it in a previous match).Richie McCaw held back French prop preventing him from tackling Woodcock. Kieran Reid cut off Imanol Harinordoquy. Happened right in front of Nigel Owens the asst. ref. Instead of him pointing it out to ref, who was on the other side of lineout, Nigel ran with joy to behind the posts. Can you believe it, the Queen knighted Graeme Henry after one of the most disgusting cheats in the history of world sport !
The Queen stripped prince Andrew. Should she do the same to Henry ?
Watson in my view did his best to negate a dominant English scrum.
Didn’t mind giving the penalty that allowed Australia to equalise so what he says about the final dg is just rubbish. He was happy to make himself the star of the show, by giving the most biased performance in a world cup final.
Reminds me so much of John Clease (actually Basil Faulty).
If England had known there was an advantage, JW could have deliberately missed the drop attempt and eat the clock up with the penalty so there would have been no restart. Game over.
As it was, there was a restart. If Oz had won the restart and scored, I doubt Andre would be giving this interview. Still, all's well that ends well - small margins.
On a separate note, I was at a rugby dinner in Hong Kong where Jason Leonard was asked about the scrum penalties. He admitted that Watson got it right.
I am English and was at the game. General consensus there was that AW did a pretty good job. England should have won more comfortably in normal time - Ben Kaye missed a certain try and JW 3 missed drops (unusual for him).
After this match i sat down and wrote my feelings about how this moment made me feel as an Englishman...i then wrote a lyrical piece of poetry about those feelings, hoping to turn that moment of pride about my country into something worthy and beautiful. Sadly i lost that piece of writing. In between 2003 and 2013(for ten years), i searched high and low(pardon the pun) for that poetic piece of writing. In that time i made many connections in the Music Industry and told many writers i may one day stumble across this piece of writing......then a miracle happened...I FOUND IT....a Soprano sang it after a musician wrote music for it....and we released it.
This is my gentle little gift to all the folk all over the world who love their country England...and for anyone else who may enjoy it....it may never have been written if Jonny Wilkinson hadn't put that ball through those sticks!!
Nice one Jonny..and the England Team...maybe it might become England's National Anthem one fine day.
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ENJOY.....it is a simple recording...with a beautiful voice and can also be found on Spotify...SWEET LADY ENGLAND by Hannah Drury. An English rose for and English anthem for English heroes.
An icon of the game
Best rugby moment good to see the refs view
Andre was a great referee - didn’t agree with his officiating of scrums on the day but he was consistent throughout the game.
It was good to hear the refs point of view, albeit we as English supporters could never rationalise how he had penalised the scrummages throughout the match.
Everyone knows how front rows disguise their foul play as a feature of the match, and that is a sad consequence of their game. No one likes watching repetitive scrummaging and resulting penalties.
The answer has to be discovered within changing the rules to some extent, albeit we don’t want Rugby League type rubbish, but there has to be a sensible answer.
Could there possibly be tap/short free kicks for some offences instead of scrums?
Seemed to have an odd approach to collapsing scrums...
I've gotta call it...andre watson was the reason the final was so close... just ref the game not the occasion...he very nearly screwed England over
This game is played in heaven...true words
So good listening and watching from the refs point of view.
Great video
one of the best refereed finals of any rugby tournament - didn't acknowledge it at the time, but looking back on it (obvs with the 2003 laws in mind) he performed brilliantly
What a man!
An interesting perspective you rarely get to hear
Top ref he was.
Was a brilliant game🎉🎉🎉🎉
I thought we were gonna see a GoPro view of the goal!
A go pro in 2003?
@@sibrier6229 go pros are just small cameras.......
Ref was enjoying himself so much he let Australia back in it for extra time 😅
I know it’s irrelevant now because England won, but his refereeing in this game was the most biased and disgraceful refereeing I’ve ever seen.
He did everything he could to help Australia to win.
The only refereeing performance I’ve ever seen that’s anywhere near as biased was the England v Wales 6 nations game recently where the French ref gifted the Welsh the game.
And I’m not saying this as a bitter England fan, I’m welsh.
I detest bias in sport
Andre Watson. Legend. From Scotland.
Imagine having to call that offsides. That would bet the scariest thing ever.
What was the lead up to England having possession at the end with Wilkinson's field goal? I only heard this game on the radio and it sounded like Matt Rogers executed a little chip kick near his own line that allowed England possession. Is this correct and if so why didn't he boot it way downfield out of drop goal range?
They still had to try and win the game. They were never going to do it by booting it because all night they booted it and it got booted straight back to them right near the English forwards and they got pasted every time.
It was a deep kick-off that Lewis Moody was able to put a lot of pressure on Roger's clearance kick that keep it in the Australia half going out around the 10 metre line. From a long line-out Mike Catt just about got over the gain line then Dawson made 20-30 metres on a break to set up the position. It was solid execution from England from the kick-off onwards and I wouldn't put it on Roger's clearance.
Didn't have a great game in my opinion .Some mysterious penalties against England. Saying that if Ben kay hadn't dropped that pass England would have won easily .
Respect Andre
Great vid
I must have watched this game at least 10 times. He did nothing but try to penalise England of the park. Australia never tried to pack down properly in the scrums . Leonard himself said they had to let the Aussies win there own scrums to make sure they engaged properly. We won the world cup against 16 men not 15.
Well someone else commenting on here (an Englishman) says they saw Jason Leonard give a talk afterwards in which he was happy to admit the ref got it right.
Well said... didn't Watson make some kind of comment to Johnson... "These fans haven't come here to see you scrum them to death in a world cup final" that's what Watson said to Johnson during a argument in one of the scrums
@@leeturton9254 that comment that Watson made was a real give away.
@@peterstaples1 all that seems a long way a way now 😆...i honestly don't think i can watch England in this world cup... it's gonna to painful
@@leeturton9254 I thought that earlier about the opener against Argentina...
Thank you Andre you are a grand man
He would never have given a penalty.
The way he changed how he dealt with the scrums in the second half was a disgrace.
Wobbly wobbly
Should have signalled the penalty .......poor refereeing 😡
Back then it wasn't uncommon for a ref to play advantage for a penalty without actually announcing it. I'm not saying it's logical but it was fairly normal at the time.
Jonny Bloody Wilkinson!! UHHH!!
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He’s bent like all South African refs (Joubert). He was selected for that reason. Why did he ref two finals while the others didn’t ref one. He was pinging England for everything and the Aussies for nothing. He didn’t signal a penalty advantage for the Wilkinson drop goal .
Bent ref..
Wrong one that's the Welsh ref.........
didn't greig laidlaw hit him in the head against Italy at murrayfield with the ball
that said very hard job n thanx to all refs cos games f..d without em
WATSON... you can't get much more of an English name!! Except Smith of course 😁🏴🏉
He can spin it how he likes, but he had a shocker that night. England were totally dominant in the scrum, yet in the 2nd half, he kept penalising them. It became personal, which reflects very badly on his part.
UBER CHEESE and your point is…?
+sub333... There is a video of Jason Leonard talking about Andre Watson in that final . Basically he changed his mind ,and the rules , half way through the game. He actually said to Jonno " There are millions of people watching they do not want to see you smashing the Aussies in the forwards all game" As Jason said "The Red Mist came down " on most of the English pack. Especially Vickery that is why Jason had to come on as sub and virtually just hold the Aussie prop up. Rubbish Ref
@@jeremymerrifield7244 I was at a dinner in Hong Kong where JL was on eof the guests. Somebody asked him about the penalty count in the scrum and he said, "technically they were penalties".
No close your eyes and imagine England beating the ABs next week....
They did
The best refs always seem to come from SA.
like the best kickers
I don't disagree with that.
No Jonny Wilkinson is
I think a certain Welsh Ref. proves that theory is inconsistent?
@@davt2718 While I agree that Consistantly S.A Produces more great kickers than any other nation, Wilkinson and Carter are quite easily the best two goal kickers of all time. Carter also somehow comes close to matching the absurd range of some of the S.A kickers as well which is no mean feat.
4:05
Thank goodness it wasn’t Paddy O’Brien..👍👍
Why not!!... O'Brien was the better ref!!...far better
He is really bigging himself up here. I wanted it to be won by a bit of brilliance by the players. Bollocks. He just played advantage to see if the non offending team could make anything happen. Not rocket science. Refs do that automatically many times every game when one team commits an offence and the other retains possession
Robespierre, it wouldn't work, the games are too different. you couldn't do a scrum because the helmets would be too big.
You were a disgrace that night Watson. We still won though :)
Good ref
Fantastic Ref 👊🏼
not sure it was his job to wonder about best team' seems already youve lost nuetralility, when ya job is to be nuetral'
He was rubbish in the final.
Shame he didn't referee the game equitably - not his best performance as an International referee
Angry Australian?
No - English. Referees should be careful not to guess what is happening in the front row, to take a fixed view on a front row and referee each scrum on it's merits.
I didn't know you were on the field that day. It's nice to have someone commenting on this thread who had a better view than the ref who was standing 3 feet from the scrum.
He was awful. Gave Australia any and every opportunity to get back into the game. Doubt he would have given that offside penalty at the end.
Not for the first time this odious little man tried his best to ref England out of the game, was going to give a penalty if he missed, yeah right Watson
Not for the first time this horrible little man tried his best to ref England off the park
Rubbish performance that night by Watson. He changed the rules half way through to stop England being some dominant. He admitted it to the English guys.
And he did not half do some thinking during Dawson passing to Wilkinson. The man is full of shite
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