This is probably the best video that I have seen on UA-cam on the XFive. In comparison I did a “kindergarten“ review on it and absolutely loved it. I was very accurate with this pistol. Thanks for another informative and very well done review Jay!
Great review! You have really touched on issues most other reviewers have missed. I was disappointed because slow fire, their is undesirable trigger creep which makes for tight groups difficult. And you are absolutely right it is not the most flattest shooting gun but it is soft shooting. The other thing I noticed, the barrel on both the original X5 and the Legion, the slide on the original is tighter tolorence and the barrel locks up much tighter. Sig told me they loosened the barrel lockup because they found it makes no difference in accuracy because theirs locks up in 5 points
I think everyone's experience with felt recoil is unique. A 300 plus pound man with huge hands and arms attaches much more weight to any handgun when he clamps down on the grip than say a 160 man like myself. I added a Legion grip to my 320 slide for USPSA. Huge difference in felt recoil, muzzle flip and reduced time to second shot and or fully recovered dot. Also, tighter rapid fire groups.
I just bought my X-5 legion a couple of days ago. Mine doesn’t have that hole or notch on the barrel you talked about. You said that the blow back might cloud up your optics. Sig might have seen your video and fixed the problem.
I just purchased an x5. Like it. My main gripe is the rear sight is too shallow, like you stated, and the notch needs to be wider for faster target sighting. At least for me.
Hi j.. haven't seen recent vid..hope all is well..last minute cancelled hkvp9 2020 took p320 X5 legion ..range and competiton...did I make a good move?
I have to ask. In order for that forend to rise it is going to have a tendency to kick the bottom of that mag well forward. That weight has got to be of some factor in that case. Great handgun. Got it on layaway.
It has updates compared to original, full length guide rod with 12# and 14# spring. Also a updated trigger. If you are running light 9mm loads, you can tune it by changing springs, my gun doesn’t move.
Hey man, haven’t seen anything from you in a while. I’m sure things are busy with everything else going on. Just wanted to say I hope you’re doing well and look forward to some more content in the future. Stay safe.
Im taking the magwell off and shooting it in production. And maybe optics but you cant use the magwell in optics or production. You could shoot it in limited minor
Thanks for the in-depth analysis J with both subjective and objective observations. Too bad about the PVD finish. Alot of the other Talking Heads in the gun review community talk about the PVD finish as if it were a positive thing. I'm one of those guys who cleans his gun right after every day at the range. I like my equipment to be in Tip-Top shape including my leather. I also not one that will throw his gun into his locker and instead I place it in just like it was life-saving equipment. Do you know of anyone using any other type of coating like sodium nitride for longevity of the firearm? Do you know what that would cost? Or if it would be worth it if I intend to keep the gun for 10 or 20 years? I still have my heavily customized Smith & Wesson model 15 from 1983 that I carried in Patrol. It used to be beautifully blued and because of my move to a far more humid environment, I made the mistake of getting it cerakoted to keep it from rusting since I don't carry it everyday any anymore. That's the same concern I have for my PVD finished Sig Sauer's. Thoughts?
Hey I saw your m&p 2.0 4.25 inch video and I'm considering getting that exact same model as my first gun. Do you still hold the same opinion of it as you did in that video from 2 years ago?
@@jhelmsing i just got my m&p 2.0 a few days ago. Havent shot it yet and i love it already but my main question is...Is it dry fire safe without snap caps?
Hey J Helmsing. Love your vids brother. I know your not a fan of subcompacts, but maybe you should give the p365 XL a try. It be great to see you review it. It’s such a easy carry for concealed carriers like myself or off duty options for law enforcement. Still shootable. Flat trigger as well.
Modularity was a cool catchword for the military when selecting a new firearm. Our armorers do not have any different size grip modules for different hand sizes, and if a guy replaces a grip module on their own, the unit loses its sh*t. The leadership has no understanding that it's a user-level change.
J Helmsing I’m running a 7000 series safariland for my full size P320 w/ streamlight TLR-1 HL, basically your setup sans the x frame. Wondering if it would fit with the x frame. What holster do you run?
I’ll probably do the xcarry legion when it come out! I did pick up a xcarry piece by piece and bought the pro cut slide for it. It’s my first gun I’ve built!
Appreciate yOUR honesty. People consideirng X5 guns should watch this first....even if this is just one opinion. Most civilians are "recretional shooters". The percentage of gun-people who do compte and aren't LE are the majority i think. Mostly range shooters. ..so the X5 guns probably wouldn't benefit them (us...). What i si your opinion on H*K guns? VP9/P30/USP Expert....etc....have you done a video a bout any of htem??? AHow would you comparfe them to the SIG p320, --226's...etc...
14lb spring is what i run in uspsa, with my m17..my little sister prefers the xfive..grr. but 14lbs is perfect my m17 has over 6k rds threw it the trigger is amazing i would not change it. My preupgraded p320c perfect outta the box. Xfive is ehh its light real light but mushy n super long reset. M17 reset my finger is trained to find it everytime i love it
700 rds and it's my favorite gun for target. I think my vp9 has a better trigger reset tho. But recoil is way better with the x5 legion than the vp9 period .Massachusetts btw
I have the Sig XFive Legion. I like Sig's Legion Series. This is my 3rd Legion handgun. This is a good gun for the money. For me the P226 Legion is better. The CZ Shadow 2 is my favorite range handgun.
I do like the P226 and it has a much better trigger than the X5. The Accushadow is amazing but the reason I wont' buy a Shadow is because the known issue iwht the frame cracking
Hey @jhelmsing why don’t you start showcasing some rifles? More specifically the AR15, America’s rifle. You’re a good dude and people like you so I think people would like it. Anyway thanks for the vids take care
I shot one and it felt good but it didnt make me run to my lgs and buy one, the CZ P07 on the other hand made me drive 20 minutes to get one! But the guy who had the x5 legion shot just as terrible as he did with his glock 17 🤷♂️
The modularity has nothing to do with replacing broken parts it has everything to do with people of different hand size and being able to accommodate them
I have this gun, love it, but If you need a sight for it, you need to rethink. The weight and nill recoil lets me know that this is a point and shoot. Dead nuts center on the range every time, but i guess you need to be comfortable handling this big girl. Get comfortable with it and you will not be dissapointed ever.
That loaded handgun witness hole allows all Massachusetts residents to own one! Otherwise we would be left out again. So I could care less that there is a small amount of gas escaping. It’s not an oversight.
Not quite accurate on all points made (LCI, FINISH, sights, and trigger).But a decent review. It is a striker fired gun and you get what you pay for. I think Sig continuously improving is a good thing.
Sooo, you DO actually use the P320 modularity. You have an X-Five grip module on your duty pistol, and unless your department ordered your 320 that way you ARE taking advantage of the modularity...
Perhaps, but I could very easily do without it. I use a X-Five grip on my duty gun mostly for the improved magwell. The entire concept is a sales gimmick.
@@jhelmsing I agree with you as it pertains to the military, however, I don't see it as a gimmick, for the civilian market. I have swapped grip modules several times on my X-carry, I have a full length 17 round and a compact 15 round module for it. The modularity allows you a lot of flexibility with one trigger pack to have multiple slide/barrel lengths and grip lengths for less money than buying full firearms.
I had to shoot mine in the rain. I picked it up on Friday. Shot some Saturday. Loved it. Had to shoot some more. It was raining, I went out and shot some more. Love this gun.
@@jhelmsing Nothing to do with sound sync, but a lapel mic or directional mic might be useful to help eliminate the echo, and would make the video nicer overall. Just a thought.
Thank you for pointing out that Sig makes little changes here and there over time and never tell anyone about it or even attempt to standardize their line ups Eventually what youll find years down the road is that everything is discontinued and the one part you need to make your gun work wont be available or you cant find the specific iteration of that part and it just wont be a pretty sight For example, certain P320 slides are capable of cowitnessing red dot sights, some are not, some are fit to fit certain models of red dots while others arent and some do not cowitness at all and require removal of the entire rear sight plate (which will be lost over time inevitably, good luck finding a replacement) This is not documented or shown clearly or easily anywhere and you have to figure it out for yourself based on pictures, research, and reviews such as this one and Sig is nowhere to be found explaining why this is or why they chose to go that route It is immensely frustrating and while I cannot 100% attribute malice or greed to this, there are times it certainly feels that way EDIT: As another note, the tungsten frame is also the only frame size now that is an intermediate size between full size and carry/compact when it comes to the dust cover length. Regular full size frames have full dust cover lengths. Why was this change made? Why make it ever so slightly shorter but not carry/compact dust cover length?? Baffling
The dust cover length on the tungsten grip module is designed to be “full-length” with the 4.7 inch barrel version of the P320. In short, it is an effort to increase “modularity” across the P320 lineup
For those that are worried about our brother J, hes doing well on IG = jhelmsing got some recent posts over there can see so everythings fine guys, keep safe yall!
Thoroughly enjoyed this review and your comments :)
This is probably the best video that I have seen on UA-cam on the XFive. In comparison I did a “kindergarten“ review on it and absolutely loved it. I was very accurate with this pistol. Thanks for another informative and very well done review Jay!
Great detailed review! Hope all is well with you and that you’re able to do new videos eventually. I love your approach and have learned a lot!
This is the best review video I have ever seen! In depth and fact by professional gunner.
I’m missing your channel. I wish you would return your reviews & cometary were 1st rate!
Without a doubt, this is the most highly detailed review of a pistol that I’ve ever seen. Thanks for the great job!
Thanks for your time doing this video. Very informational
Great review! You have really touched on issues most other reviewers have missed. I was disappointed because slow fire, their is undesirable trigger creep which makes for tight groups difficult. And you are absolutely right it is not the most flattest shooting gun but it is soft shooting. The other thing I noticed, the barrel on both the original X5 and the Legion, the slide on the original is tighter tolorence and the barrel locks up much tighter. Sig told me they loosened the barrel lockup because they found it makes no difference in accuracy because theirs locks up in 5 points
Great in depth informative videos brother.
I MISS YOUR CONTENT!!
Detailed and insightful. Subscribed
I Hope you are not demonetized because there was an ad before the video! Great stuff!!!
You're definitely a handgun nut. I appreciate the very good no bs insight and detailed review.
In the “newest” version of the x5 legion they got rid of the LCI hole in the barrel... guess they listened to their users.
And just wanted to again say excellent review!! The only thing you missed was the original X5 barrel lockup is much tighter than the X5 Legion
Miss you bro. Please come back
Something with the heavy handle, is when the slide moves forward, it acts as a level against the over dip...so it reduces the 'porpoising'
Anyone know if this guy still
make videos on another channel? Awesome reviews and videos - miss his content, was a great channel
Great video again! What is your preferred carry pistol or which one do you carry the most?
Hey what gun do you like more. The M&P 2.0 4.25inch or the Sig m17?
J Helmsing - What would you prefer as a duty firearm; CZ P10F, Glock 17FS Gen 5, Sig P320 X-Five Legion, or anything else?
Great points on this video, trigger module=marketing. Awesome channel.
I could have went my entire life and been happy not owning a Sig until now. These are SICK!!!
Cosmoline Fiend I am a Walther Q5 fan but this is tempting
Rev. Gunn yeah I own the Q5 polymer frame. I’ve been very happy with that. But these are really nice too!!!
I might just pick one up. There’s a few at my LGS.
Have you guys replaced upgraded your q5 triggers?
Your conclusions are spot on about this model and Sig in general. And Sig does in fact create there on problems. K
What do you think of using it for Steel Challenge matches?
I’d love to hear how your p07’s are holding up!!! Thinking of buying one for my first gun.
I think everyone's experience with felt recoil is unique. A 300 plus pound man with huge hands and arms attaches much more weight to any handgun when he clamps down on the grip than say a 160 man like myself. I added a Legion grip to my 320 slide for USPSA. Huge difference in felt recoil, muzzle flip and reduced time to second shot and or fully recovered dot. Also, tighter rapid fire groups.
I just bought my X-5 legion a couple of days ago. Mine doesn’t have that hole or notch on the barrel you talked about. You said that the blow back might cloud up your optics. Sig might have seen your video and fixed the problem.
The heavier gun dampening high frequency movements when running and gunning. The physics is pretty straight forward
I just purchased an x5. Like it. My main gripe is the rear sight is too shallow, like you stated, and the notch needs to be wider for faster target sighting. At least for me.
Confusing conclusion, good for competition or not good? I made the decision to go P220 .45 Legion: great trigger, heavy gun.
Hi j.. haven't seen recent vid..hope all is well..last minute cancelled hkvp9 2020 took p320 X5 legion ..range and competiton...did I make a good move?
Question for you. I know this is kinda advertised as a competition firearm but with its advantages would you use this as a tactical weapon?
I have to ask. In order for that forend to rise it is going to have a tendency to kick the bottom of that mag well forward. That weight has got to be of some factor in that case. Great handgun. Got it on layaway.
It has updates compared to original, full length guide rod with 12# and 14# spring. Also a updated trigger. If you are running light 9mm loads, you can tune it by changing springs, my gun doesn’t move.
Can you do a review on the shadow systems 918 gun
Anyone know where he went??
I thought the Holsters are not the same fit correct me if I'm wrong
Appreciate the candor
Well presented.
Sigs are the best overall! I want a 229. Just curious, what state do you reside?
as far as the PVD and the scratch on the dust cover, I have seen that happen on many 1911's so not an issue fo rme
Hey man, haven’t seen anything from you in a while. I’m sure things are busy with everything else going on. Just wanted to say I hope you’re doing well and look forward to some more content in the future. Stay safe.
Im taking the magwell off and shooting it in production. And maybe optics but you cant use the magwell in optics or production. You could shoot it in limited minor
Anyone know where this guy went?
Where can I get a 320 X5 for 550 to 650? Not being a smartass. Cheapest I’ve found so far is ab 720-750 but just really started looking recently.
I shoot glock 34 gen 5 in optics with a titanium guide rod which helps with the muzzle flip on a Glock 34 maybe a little
Thanks for the in-depth analysis J with both subjective and objective observations. Too bad about the PVD finish. Alot of the other Talking Heads in the gun review community talk about the PVD finish as if it were a positive thing. I'm one of those guys who cleans his gun right after every day at the range. I like my equipment to be in Tip-Top shape including my leather. I also not one that will throw his gun into his locker and instead I place it in just like it was life-saving equipment. Do you know of anyone using any other type of coating like sodium nitride for longevity of the firearm? Do you know what that would cost? Or if it would be worth it if I intend to keep the gun for 10 or 20 years? I still have my heavily customized Smith & Wesson model 15 from 1983 that I carried in Patrol. It used to be beautifully blued and because of my move to a far more humid environment, I made the mistake of getting it cerakoted to keep it from rusting since I don't carry it everyday any anymore. That's the same concern I have for my PVD finished Sig Sauer's. Thoughts?
Hey I saw your m&p 2.0 4.25 inch video and I'm considering getting that exact same model as my first gun. Do you still hold the same opinion of it as you did in that video from 2 years ago?
It's a really really good gun 👊🏼👍🏼
@@jhelmsing i just got my m&p 2.0 a few days ago. Havent shot it yet and i love it already but my main question is...Is it dry fire safe without snap caps?
@@CoasterCoat absolutely!
Hey J Helmsing. Love your vids brother. I know your not a fan of subcompacts, but maybe you should give the p365 XL a try. It be great to see you review it. It’s such a easy carry for concealed carriers like myself or off duty options for law enforcement. Still shootable. Flat trigger as well.
The P365 XL is indeed excellent
Once again, awesome video review, I hope you do another video on the Beretta PX4 Storm Compact carry.
Haven’t seen a video from you in awhile? Did you give your channel a break?
Did this channel get taken down😥
Modularity was a cool catchword for the military when selecting a new firearm. Our armorers do not have any different size grip modules for different hand sizes, and if a guy replaces a grip module on their own, the unit loses its sh*t. The leadership has no understanding that it's a user-level change.
Im shooting a cz shadow 2 for production and its really awesome. That shadow 2 is heavy
Ken McWilliams just picked my S2 up today.. you’re not kidding. It’s heavy
How is holster compatibility between standard P320 and the X-series grip modules?
Some work but some will not. Most companies have X-specific holsters available now.
J Helmsing I’m running a 7000 series safariland for my full size P320 w/ streamlight TLR-1 HL, basically your setup sans the x frame. Wondering if it would fit with the x frame. What holster do you run?
@@george3053 I run the same, and my P320 holster works fine with no issues.
J Helmsing cool thanks for the info, keep up the great vids!
Can you use the legion x5 as a ccw? Or would you? I am trying to decide between P320 RXP XCOMPACT, P320 RXP XFULL-SIZE, and P320 XFIVE LEGION for CCW.
It's on the heavier side for edc. And it's a full size gun so it's more likely to print.
Too damn big and heavy. I would consider the xcarry if clothing allows or the 365xl if your in a t shirt.
I’ll probably do the xcarry legion when it come out! I did pick up a xcarry piece by piece and bought the pro cut slide for it. It’s my first gun I’ve built!
I just realized we are in the same group on facebook I was in 1-39 and 1-76 FA!
Where did U go!?
Appreciate yOUR honesty. People consideirng X5 guns should watch this first....even if this is just one opinion. Most civilians are "recretional shooters". The percentage of gun-people who do compte and aren't LE are the majority i think. Mostly range shooters. ..so the X5 guns probably wouldn't benefit them (us...).
What i si your opinion on H*K guns? VP9/P30/USP Expert....etc....have you done a video a bout any of htem??? AHow would you comparfe them to the SIG p320, --226's...etc...
Hey J where'd you go?
Miss your vids man
I was looking At buying this…then I saw all of the legal battles from guns firing without manipulation of the trigger…thoughts? Are they dangerous?
“Without manipulation of the trigger “ is a burden of truth the claimants have to prove before any payouts are ordered. 🤷🏻♂️
14lb spring is what i run in uspsa, with my m17..my little sister prefers the xfive..grr. but 14lbs is perfect my m17 has over 6k rds threw it the trigger is amazing i would not change it. My preupgraded p320c perfect outta the box. Xfive is ehh its light real light but mushy n super long reset. M17 reset my finger is trained to find it everytime i love it
I prefer the round trigger myself 👊🏼👍🏼
700 rds and it's my favorite gun for target. I think my vp9 has a better trigger reset tho. But recoil is way better with the x5 legion than the vp9 period .Massachusetts btw
Why aren’t you making new videos?
Now, the question is if you could only have 1 gun to the rest of your days...what would it be? Love your content though, keep it up!
As much as 10 boxes😂😂👏👏 I see what you did there.
I have the Sig XFive Legion. I like Sig's Legion Series. This is my 3rd Legion handgun. This is a good gun for the money. For me the P226 Legion is better. The CZ Shadow 2 is my favorite range handgun.
That P226 Legion is 🔥🔥🔥
I do like the P226 and it has a much better trigger than the X5. The Accushadow is amazing but the reason I wont' buy a Shadow is because the known issue iwht the frame cracking
RIP officer Helmsing!
I am buying this gun.
Hey @jhelmsing why don’t you start showcasing some rifles? More specifically the AR15, America’s rifle. You’re a good dude and people like you so I think people would like it. Anyway thanks for the vids take care
What happened to your channel?
MSRP for 320-xfive original was 1005.00. Never seen it for less then 850 street price.
He gets a law enforcement discount.
Iron sights for life!
🔥👌💪💯
Nice to see my D.A.R.E Officer on UA-cam-😂
Great video!!!
This looks to be a good gun to use to Drax Sclountz
100% polyurethane. They can't detect these mamma jammas.
I shot one and it felt good but it didnt make me run to my lgs and buy one, the CZ P07 on the other hand made me drive 20 minutes to get one! But the guy who had the x5 legion shot just as terrible as he did with his glock 17 🤷♂️
PO7 reset it way too much
The modularity has nothing to do with replacing broken parts it has everything to do with people of different hand size and being able to accommodate them
Now in 2022, I think it is safe to say he was wrong about the modularity concept.
I have this gun, love it, but If you need a sight for it, you need to rethink. The weight and nill recoil lets me know that this is a point and shoot. Dead nuts center on the range every time, but i guess you need to be comfortable handling this big girl. Get comfortable with it and you will not be dissapointed ever.
That loaded handgun witness hole allows all Massachusetts residents to own one! Otherwise we would be left out again. So I could care less that there is a small amount of gas escaping. It’s not an oversight.
Weighs as much as 10 boxes? ???
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Not quite accurate on all points made (LCI, FINISH, sights, and trigger).But a decent review. It is a striker fired gun and you get what you pay for. I think Sig continuously improving is a good thing.
It sucks that it seems you've left YT. It also seems to be a trend lately with many that I follow, unfortunately.
Very nice gun ..👍💂💂💀💀💀
Sooo, you DO actually use the P320 modularity. You have an X-Five grip module on your duty pistol, and unless your department ordered your 320 that way you ARE taking advantage of the modularity...
Perhaps, but I could very easily do without it. I use a X-Five grip on my duty gun mostly for the improved magwell. The entire concept is a sales gimmick.
@@jhelmsing I agree with you as it pertains to the military, however, I don't see it as a gimmick, for the civilian market. I have swapped grip modules several times on my X-carry, I have a full length 17 round and a compact 15 round module for it. The modularity allows you a lot of flexibility with one trigger pack to have multiple slide/barrel lengths and grip lengths for less money than buying full firearms.
I'm not sure if basic physics agree with you. Otherwise, good video
On which end? Muzzle flip?
It’s storming outside? You mean to tell me you don’t train in the rain?
Heh.
I had to shoot mine in the rain. I picked it up on Friday. Shot some Saturday. Loved it. Had to shoot some more. It was raining, I went out and shot some more. Love this gun.
Sports action gun?
It’s a competition gun IDPA
Almost a 50 min arse whoopin, lol
After 15 1/2mins I got bored and im done here,so what did I learned here in 15mins...The BS Stories are getting better... 😎👍
What happened to your sound?
The timing is off in certain segments.
@@jhelmsing Nothing to do with sound sync, but a lapel mic or directional mic might be useful to help eliminate the echo, and would make the video nicer overall.
Just a thought.
Dude shutdown I guess.... he made great videos.
This gun is not a beginner gun.
Spend a few bucks on a better mic setup. Other than that, good job.
Check.
Thank you for pointing out that Sig makes little changes here and there over time and never tell anyone about it or even attempt to standardize their line ups
Eventually what youll find years down the road is that everything is discontinued and the one part you need to make your gun work wont be available or you cant find the specific iteration of that part and it just wont be a pretty sight
For example, certain P320 slides are capable of cowitnessing red dot sights, some are not, some are fit to fit certain models of red dots while others arent and some do not cowitness at all and require removal of the entire rear sight plate (which will be lost over time inevitably, good luck finding a replacement)
This is not documented or shown clearly or easily anywhere and you have to figure it out for yourself based on pictures, research, and reviews such as this one and Sig is nowhere to be found explaining why this is or why they chose to go that route
It is immensely frustrating and while I cannot 100% attribute malice or greed to this, there are times it certainly feels that way
EDIT: As another note, the tungsten frame is also the only frame size now that is an intermediate size between full size and carry/compact when it comes to the dust cover length. Regular full size frames have full dust cover lengths. Why was this change made? Why make it ever so slightly shorter but not carry/compact dust cover length?? Baffling
The dust cover length on the tungsten grip module is designed to be “full-length” with the 4.7 inch barrel version of the P320. In short, it is an effort to increase “modularity” across the P320 lineup
For those that are worried about our brother J, hes doing well on IG = jhelmsing got some recent posts over there can see so everythings fine guys, keep safe yall!