Christopher Hitchens and Rabbi Shmuley Boteach Debate on God
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Full version of the Christopher Hitchens and Rabbi Shmuley Boteach Debate on God at New York's 92nd Street Y. Recorded January 30, 2008 at 92nd Street Y.
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This Rabbi changed my life forever. Hearing his arguments convinced me to become an atheist
for me …… the rabbi convinced me to become a anti-theist
LoL
🤣
Welcome, you were always a friend either way.
lmao
Bruh, dude instantly resorts to slandering Hitchens instead of debating. That's the calling card of someone who just lost an argument.
Seriously. How do such people write books? And who reads such books I wonder.
Ask the Rabbi if he has ever had a wet fart in public. If he has then he can pray and thank god the intelligent designer for it
The rest of the presentation wasn't much better. False information, misrepresentation and obnoxious yelling..
He talks as if he knows what he is talking about but I can assure you that God exists and is merciful and looks at every one of us as precious, His finest creations............falun dafa
Hitch should have said "me thinks the lady doth protest too much" after the rabbi's hyperbolic diatribe around the 50 minute mark.
It's November, 2023 and I am here rewatching. Anyone else coming back to the greatest hits?
Im here.
Yep
me
And me! Almost feel sorry for the rabbi. Almost.
@@nathans1787 Normally, I would have, but he's been such an asshole recently in his "debates"
Notice how Hitchens attacked the idea of a deity, but the Rabbi simply attacked Hitchens, because he doesn’t really have anything else.
The only God present and depicted in this debate is Christopher Hitchens.
I literally just typed that
Why would anyone want you to quit believing in God, only one reason, evil.
@@jeffforsythe9514killing 30 million people by drowning is ‘evil’ - not thinking rationally.
@jeffforsythe9514 because religion is the source of most of the greatest atrocities human kind has ever known, all in the name of a clearly fictitious character we now understand is not real, as we learn further about our universe and where we came from. We no longer require the crutch of religion. And those that do, hinder society greatly. Hence the need for people like Hitchens and these debates.
Its interesting that Hitchens opened by speaking about religion, and his opponent opened by attacking him personally and ignoring the subject matter.
Absolutely. Glad I wasn't the only person catching this.
If you have no valid arguments the only thing left is a personal attack.
Both took personal jabs at each other. Not the type of debate where one side wins but a very civil and interesting debate.
Did you catch the part where the rabbi said Hitchens had to resort to personal attacks on others character?? I was speechless, he's unhinged.
🤣🤣🤣 Its always the case. They always attack him. Which they don't realise it's a point in Hitchens favour.
Rabbi Shmuley: loud, shrill, hysterical, nonsensical
Christopher Hitchens: calm, logical, coherent, reasoned, witty
This wasn’t a debate, it was a slaughter.
Christopher Hitchens has been in error about the most important truth: God/Jesus
Sort the comments to see/read my bigger message to know why.
All religious people speak louder.
Maybe they think with that they would sound reasonable? 🤔
@@filmeseverin All gods are fictional dude, grow up.
Anyone can sort the comments to see/read my simple and undeniable demonstration that atheists are in error, in my recent top message posted few minutes ago.
@@filmeseverin I'm so happy that this is absolutely no evidence to support the absurd belief that god exists.
There is no man, lived or alive, who I respect more than Christopher Hitchens... You remain forever immortal
Boy are you ever lost, wow.
To be fair George Galloway kicked his arse.
You had better hope that your feelings about him change, good luck.
the desire for immortality proves man was made for immortality. If you have ever been in love there are moments when you want that moment to last forever, Immortality, an eternal state of some joy we experience usually in terms of love, reveals that the Immortal one God, is love, is beauty, is truth and we are to live forever, Jesus rose from the dead to reveal to us we will be resurrected in the future as He promised. Hitchins did not believe in God, but he knows now. The sad thing about atheists is that they cannot accept the logical acceptance of pure science in those miracles that are wholly beyond the laws of nature and of which scientific proof abounds in Xrays, surgeon's witness, and suchlike. I do not speak of faith-healing that can happen with human expectation within limitation, no, I speak of miracles wholly miraculous: instanteneous growth of many inches in a shortened limb, a whole new kidney where it had beed extracted a week before: large holes in the bone in an instant wholly regrown, wheelchair person with broken back instantly made whole..So I cannot respect a person such as Hitchins and his like due to their illogicality in the face of scientific evidence.
Only person I respect more is Douglas Murray. I see him as Hitchens’ true successor
Listening to this rabbi I conjured up a great quote from Junior Soprano: “Some people are so far behind in the race they actually think they’re leading it”
😂 Oh my ribs 😂
I sorely miss Hitch for that reason; he’d take people to task IN THE MOMENT. So telling that in an hour plus debate, the rabbi had to hang his hat on MAYBE a misspoken word from Christopher. Amazing!
Brilliant.
it's also called decisions of grandeur.
Man thats a good quote and sums it up PERFECTLY
Everybody should live in peace.
The fact that the disrespectful Rabbi went angry priest mode tells us he was left with no arguments. We miss Hitchens and we need more smart people like him
He wasn't left with no arguments he showed up with an empty sack.
Did he lose a prior debate to Hitchens? 😂 He is holding some serious resentment.
What does a cornered rat do? He becomes aggressive and fight for his life! When losing an argument to a better debater, the Rabbi used the only weapon he has left, anger and indignation!!
Rabbi is a bully one finds in all dogmas
People look at the earth and look at a beautiful sunset, catch snowflakes on their tongues when they are young, fall in love, but then they see the pain in the world, mother dies of cancer, terrorists decapitate babies and they ask themselves, does God really have a plan and what could it possibly be. Many now have come to the conclusion that God does not exist but others maintain their faith. I chose to keep seeking the Divine and when I was 55 God came to me and rewarded me with His Divine Blessing.............................Falun Gong
"Hatred, yes, I plead guilty to that." "Go love your own enemies." Some of the best lines ever uttered.
Religious people think if they say we are angry or hate something, it will shut us up. We embrace it. I say, if you are not angry then you're either not paying attention or you don't understand the complexity.
@@dawn8542Isn’t not being angry also a form of resignation? Or acceptance? In fact, a lack of conviction could be an indication that it was there at some point, but was lost. Perhaps the final state of emotional maturity is the lack of all things which were once there. Sort of like heat death, eventually everything fizzles out.
When you hate someone, who feels that hatred, you or the hated person. It is you that feels the hatred so only a fool would hate, in my opinion.
If I am at home and I hate my neighbor, who feels the hatred, me or my neighbor? That is exactly what Christ was trying to point out, when you forgive your neighbor, you stop feeling hatred.
This would work with a christian, not a rabbi
I love that even after death Christopher Hitchens is still educating people as shown by the recent comments on this 15 year old video.
Talk is cheap, in Heaven there is very little talk, no need, the Truth speaks for itself.
@@jeffforsythe9514you're not wrong. There's not much talk in a place that doesn't exist.
Must be very quiet indeed.
The truth however, seems to have a rather large, boisterous Brittish accent.
@@soggybiscotti8425 All he does is point out the gluttony of mankind and I choose to point out the Glory of God, your choice. Google On Falun and get on a righteous path. The truth is gentle, fragile and kind.
@@soggybiscotti8425 Are you one of his disciples? A lot of people in your religion preach about truth, but y’all never show any evidence.
@@xtronkillmaster2517 it seems the irony of you saying that is lost upon you...
I endured 10 minutes of the rabbi's ranting before I realized he wasn't going to talk about the actual subject.
I had a similar experience on Spotify.
[Edit] "John", I think I understand. You're trolling me and impersonating me because you want me to leave. Correct?
@@ObediahPolkinghornIII-cz5io On Spotify I listened to the rabbi complain that women were now allowed into the synagogue. Let's talk about the traditions of Eve who was created from Adam’s "Baculum" bone! The Hebrew word that's translated as “rib” is tsela‘ -- Ziony Zevit.
@@christopherhitchens4833 You're sweet. :) I see you're still trolling though.
@@ObediahPolkinghornIII-cz5io Yeah, sorry about that, old chap. Sometimes I express myself in socially inappropriate ways.
@John Rabson Jr Only those who struggle with morality need a bible.
When a religious leader accuses someone else of having a book filled with "logical inconsistencies and factual inaccuracies".
The best defense an atheist has is the words "I don't know". Even Hitchens after all is said and done he admits he knows absolutely nothing.
Rickenbacker Von Braun
Atheists don’t have to defend their position, firstly because the burden of proof is not on them, they are not making the affirmative claim. Atheists saying “I don’t know” is factually accurate because one cannot possibly know for sure, however theists claim that they do know there’s a god, which they cannot conceivably know.
@@vaaninathan5162
Atheists actually say that Theists are wrong. So they obviously make a positive claim that they need to back up with evidence.
Rickenbacker Von Braun Simply stating that someone is wrong is not an affirmative claim, because they are not affirming anything, they are simply stating a disbelief in the claim, not putting forward alternatives that cannot be proved by tests and evidence
Oh, the irony!
It's always the one with no argument who shouts the loudest. Hitchens never raised his voice.
Perfect example of 'saying something quickly and loudly doesn't mean you're right'
as an ultra-conservative muslim myself from Lebanon, this rabbi turned me into an atheist. I now have read all Christopher hitchens' books, then discovered he died more than a decade ago. I was very very sad to learn that. I think the world would have been a better place if such a man walked among us still. Thank you hitch for making me realize so many things no one else could ever show me. You are my hero.
He always tried his best to destroy people's faith. Why would he do that? Do you think faith is a bad thing, I don't.
@@jeffforsythe9514the problem with religious faith is that it not only repeatedly breeds hatred but also tries to legislate this hatred
@@rileyverdict I asked about faith. There are righteous religions and evil religions. No amount of faith goes unrewarded. Faith is what the Bible is all about. Faith never hurts anyone, people do. Faith removes despair, it is a powerful thing. Belief and faith are two distinctly different things.
@@jeffforsythe9514faith makes people ignorant and straight up dumb more often than not. You can see the lack of an intrigue to learn and develop very clearly in this debate. So yes, its a bad thing. Ask the millions of dead people who died in the name of so and so god
@@SugrivaTheApeKing Faith takes the place of despair, a great thing. You are just like Hitchens, totally negative.
The rabbis opening statement was probably the worst “argument” or opening argument I have ever heard. The debate was over right there
It was just pathetic
Facts.
Don't worry, your 112 i.q. won't hold you back, embrace mediocrity and limited comprehension
Ask the Rabbi if he has ever had a wet fart in public. If he has then he can pray and thank god the intelligent designer for it
I agree.
Christopher Hitchens was religion's kryptonite. What an amazing beautiful human being. He is derely missed but never forgotten. Thank You
I miss him too.
@Batman Dave ok, weirdo.
@Batman Dave Who didn´t speak for himself?
@Batman Dave Mario is correct.
Someone who calls people he deems lower than him and kids idiots is anything but beautiful. He was a joke and I'm sure he often felt as such.
The Rabbi is hysterical
Rabbi attacks Hitchens personally.
Hitchens responds.
Rabbi complains that Hitchens attacked personally.
What a joke.
This rabbi will go down as one of the biggest fuckwits to debate hitchens
If I was him I would be completely and utterly embarrassed with myself.
High school level arguments
That's all the rabbi knows it's how he was raised
He cries out in pain as he strikes you
Still his playbook
He's a little fool😂
Hitchens argument: "Religion is a first, awkward attempt of mankind to explain reality".
Rabbi's argument: "Hitchens is depressing".
No, religion was Heaven's kindergarten for mankind's education, ending this lifetime. Poor Hitchens got lost and dragged you with him.
@@jeffforsythe9514 The lost ones are the idiots still grovelling to their fictional fantasy.
@@jeffforsythe9514well if its kindergarten and we're meant to learn from jesus, why didnt gods plan involve him sticking around?
@@TheMightyMidget Life is a mystery and we are all born innocent and curious. Because of the mystery, we develop our hearts, mind and soul. Nothing good is easy, now there is a new teaching, wonderful.......................Falun Dafa
@@jeffforsythe9514 that's absolute waffle. Answer my question
Rabbi: * speaks *
Hitchens: "I don't know why you are doing this to yourself".
The guy claims to have studied evolution and debated evolutionary biologists, yet makes such basic mistakes with what he says about it that he would likely fail any high school exam on the subject. And then asserting that scientists will make up whatever they need to in order to win an argument. multiple times.
😂😂
@@SarthorS exactly. He uses the analogy of monkeys on a typewriter to evolution. What an absurd analogy. The mechanism and consequences of evolution are nothing like this.
"Now I am not a scientist", yes you just showed us
@@SarthorS Those aren't mistakes those are well calculated misrepresentations
That “a hundred books!” At the end 😂 what an incredible and eloquent debater. Rest in peace
Do we know the results of this bet?
What can "Rest in peace" mean to an atheist?
@@glennsimonsen8421How petty are you? It’s a common colloquial expression. The sentiment behind it is respect. If there is an afterlife of course I wish him a peaceful one. Just because I don’t believe there is one doesn’t mean I *know* that there isn’t.
“You asked for white noise and you got it”. Lmao 🤣
I guarantee you Christopher must have felt embarrassed being there “debating” this salesman. This guy is an embarrassment to Jewish community!!
That’s why Christopher said a weak thanks at the end. He knew he wasn’t thanking anyone.
Ask the Rabbi if he has ever had a wet fart in public. If he has then he can pray and thank god the intelligent designer for it
Rabbi Schmuckey Beeyatch
@@drmontague6475 There are many ways you could have made that point. You chose wisely 🙌
Yeah. As if pimps are same as salesman. May be they are. Depends on how you look at it.
Christopher Hitchens will always be one of my favorite orators on the subject of religion. He, among others, helped me come out of the belief closet and accept the fact that I was an atheist. I'll always be immensely grateful to him for that. Rest in peace, Hitch. Also, fuck cancer.
Hitch isn’t an atheist. He would be ashamed to be the golden calf of religious atheism.
@@xtronkillmaster2517 What? He called himself an atheist, and he wouldn't be embarrassed.
Secondly, there *is* no golden calf.
@@Devdraco I think he called himself an "anti-theist."
@@terryallen9546 both
Fuck cancer
Can't believe Dawkins agreed to chat to this guy 4 times
When given the chance to demonstrate just how woefully disgraceful the church and all theistic religions are to a new audience, why not take every opportunity you can get?
Nobody leaves a debate regarding religion against Dawkins thinking better of the church, or any religion. And it only ends up leading others to the immense catalogue of videos and books by Hitchens, if only serving to put the final nail in the coffin.
I wish theistic religion and thise that follow these religions, while fully awarr of the knowledge of the harm they have done and the actions of their representatives a swift and agonising death along with those that follow it blindly as in modern times, there is simply no excuse for it.
I have a slight forgiveness for those of whom don't understand or ever see all of the horrific deeds the church does, such as the elderly without access to the information we all now possess like my sweet and dare I say.. saint of a grandmother. May she rest in peace. She was the kindest soul I have ever and will ever know, and was the true embodiment of kindness and unconditional love. What the church should represent, but without fail, fails epicly to do so.
Had she known what the church truly was instead of simply only seeing the dogma they portray, I habe no doubt she would habe disavowed the church.
She may still habe had her belief in God and thr goodness of God, but I know she would habe been disgusted by the institution itself and would never habe supported such a thing had she known.
I feel terrible for all those in similar situations, doing all they can to try to be a representative of true good in the world, all while unknowingly serving such a woefully disgraceful institution.
It would have crushed her to know the truth. And as such, I never had the heart to tell her. Not when she was I'm her 90's and already near death without having known. Telling her would have done nothing but harm an innocent soul. But we can now save future generations from such indignity and abuse by spreading the true word of the church and its hateful and disgraceful ideologies.
Those that do see the horrific acts of the church and are aware of its vile nature and still choose to support it though, I wish them a slow and agonising end.
There is no room in this world of ours for child sex offender apologists.
May the end of theistic religion come swiftly. And it is already on it's way with rapidly declining attendance. I wish them a slow, miserable and incomprehensibly painful end. Perhaps that will make up for at least a fraction of the damage done by the followers of religious ideologies and dogma.
Personally, I hope hell exists. Because it will ironically, primarily be filled with religious people of the world.
The heads of theistic religions at this point, those that know what happens within their system, deserve to be lined up and shot. Much like the millions of people they murdered in the name of God.
Any wonder the pope needs to drive in a bulletproof car. He needs it. And he knows it. I wish him an his constituents an unconscionably slow and painful end, like George Pell and the rest of his child molesting friends.
May they die and spend an eternity suffering.
It's a shame he'll doesn't exist, as it would be almost exclusively reserved for those that are a part of this and other disgraceful theistic, religious institution leaders and willing participants.
I thought the same thing. This guy is an idiot
Oh, there’s worse… you should watch his chat with Wendy Wright 😅
I am very fortunate to have realized whilst in church at the age of 8 that I suspected someone was trying to pull the wool over my eyes. I now look at the beauty of each day and the nature that surrounds me, the sky at dawn, the trees, the ocean and know that I already live in heaven.
What heaven? The earth will eventually turn to waste for a myriad of reasons. Why do you use a godly term to describe a temporal condition? If you're an atheist stand behind your belief for better or for worse regardless of the pressing mass of growing population and dwindling resources. Be thankful that religion is slowly dying out so that we will all be dependent on the kindness of our neighbor. As for me, I am counting on a bit better adhesive societal force than the evolved milk of human kindness of my own particular neighbors.
I use the word "heaven" to describe what I see, I don't know where you live or if you even notice the natural beauty of the earth, it's not a godly term, it's descriptive. @@jeffmilroy9345
@jeffmilroy9345 everything is space dust, the EArth will turn to dust and reform. It's infinite. Your comment is short sided.
Ahhh the Big Bang sky daddy eh? C'mon you can do better... There is no such thing as perpetual motion - or is there? Hey!!!@@pickettmandi
@@jeffmilroy9345 "we are the appatures in which the universe views itself"
That awkward moment when even the moderator is sick of you...
@@ObediahPolkinghornIII-cz5io @52:45 _"Hoyle said you would have to find trillions of destroyed organisms that don't exist. In fact, it was Darwin himself who said that the greatest objection to his theory-because let's remember, The Origins of Species, published in 1863, was not a tome about the origin of life, it was a theory to explain the fossil records but the problem was that there were missing transitional links. So what he said was-I'd like to give you the exact quote-Darwin said that the imperfection of the fossil record come entirely to the fact that we have not dug sufficiently."_ -- Boteach
_"To still be an evolutionist today you have to have faith. There is no evidence that transitional links barely exist."_
Turns out our fossils show 1st intrepid low density melaninated humans left Africa 200,000 years ago for an icy Israel -- The Times Of Israel. Borschel, Amanda. June, 2020, 3:52 pm!
www.timesofisrael.com/fossils-show-1st-intrepid-humans-left-africa-200000-years-ago-for-an-icy-israel/
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1:07:30 the links they are the crude oil Rabbi those intermediate links
This poor man is out of his depth, He’s not a scientist, he has no idea what he’s talking about. the rabbi, that is.
At one point he goes on a rant about children with down syndrome. 28:30
Honestly, I lost count of the amount of ad hominem and straw man fallacies he spouts.
@J w
What?
The funniest part is when he just starts multiplying numbers at random, then saying "Such a big number! Evolution is controlled by God!" Seriously a pathetic showing on the part of the Rabbi haha.
Actually, this is one of Hitchens's worse showings and his logical fallacies are laid bare. He usually is a square winner in my book, but this is an off one. Hitchens is also not a scientist btw... so that is not really a point
@J w Why pathetic? Are your disbeliefs pathetic?
Hitchens' intro here is brilliant. Unshakeable reason and logic ... our first stab at "why are we here" philosophy was in a supreme being while at a time we had no idea that we lived on a lonely little sphere highly influenced by other spheres and cosmic bodies. An amazing diagram of logic and purpose.
When mankind and earth were created, both were created semi-divine. Miracles were not as rare as today but they happened and were accepted. Now that this planet and its people have cast out all semblance of divinity, miracles no longer are observed or believed. God, Our Father is here right now to rectify the entire universe, including you but is you will not accept it you will be eliminated so get ready, its coming....The amazing practice Falun Dafa explains it all, clearly.
''Don't misquote me, you'll only succeed in looking even dumber than you already do''. Hitch was brutal when upset, but hilarious at the same time.
Hay, he was a bully.
hitchens is in hell riding the hard meat of the devil himself. extra long, full girth and with bulging veins. protip: repent
So you find brutality hilarious, not human kindness but kind of human, sad. Communist Chinese have had their faith destroyed and have the same morality as dogs in the street.
@@livinglife4835shmuley isn’t very intelligent.
savage.!!!!
"You mentioned character assassination ... be careful your character doesn't commit suicide in front of everyone in this room." That is a BURN.
lmao
I don't even think the rabbi realized how badly he got roasted there
He could toss ',em!
@@buzzkill808raven2 “I hope someone caught that”
Poor Hitchens has gone to "meet his Creator"...I understand through a 'channeling' experience he is now janitor in the Primate House in the celestial zoo.
Mumbles to himself a lot but does a good job of keeping the monkey cages clean.
The rabbi still around.
The Rabbi embarrassing....can someone please explain this man that shouting and always trying to speak louder is only the proof of someone who is very insecure.
Hitchens: intellectual superior.
Shouting is just their justification of an authority from God
English teachers around the world are silently weeping 😓.
@Erik Muniz one is certainly the superior debater. The other is replacing reason with volume
@Erik Muniz The FACT you have said you know that...
"...the human body is way too complex to come from stardust or an amoeba, there has to be an intelligent and perfect creator..."
...PROVES you are either GOD him/her self,or you're a complete fuckwit
Idiot yelling
The Rabbi flails like a drowning man. A masterful performance by the Hitch.
He was pathetic
I only just recently started to catch up on Hitchens debates, but the more i watch from him the more I am left wondering how they found people to debate him at all… for gods sake it’s like willingly throwing yourself in to a woodchipper.
Why? "This systematic review of the scientific evidence to date identifies MC as a potentially powerful tool to reduce the global burden of STIs on women."
When mankind and earth were created, both were created semi-divine. Miracles were not as rare as today but they happened and were accepted. Now that this planet and its people have cast out all semblance of divinity, miracles no longer are observed or believed. God, Our Father is here right now to rectify the entire universe, including you but is you will not accept it you will be eliminated so get ready, its coming....The amazing practice Falun Dafa explains it all, clearly.
Think again, Hitch admitted he lost to John Lennox.
“And since god never actually shows up to speak to us, it is left to human representatives to speak FOR HIM. What could possibly go wrong?” - Christopher Hitchens
Ask the Rabbi if he has ever had a wet fart in public. If he has then he can pray and thank god the intelligent designer for it
@@drmontague6475 Hahaha funny. Poop is a result of intelligent design. Hahahhaha. This is a good argument against inteligent design.
And the way of talking to him is indistinguishable from talking to an imaginary voice in your head.
What could possibly go wrong?
He talks as if he knows what he is talking about but I can assure you that God exists and is merciful and looks at every one of us as precious, His finest creations............falun dafa
@@christopherp.hitchens3902 I do not presume to speak for God, I know what He wants from me and I serve Him gladly. I have no need to prove anything to you, have a good day.
There's something about Hitchen's voice and manner that immediately puts me at ease. I listen to him and it all makes sense again. Thank you for keeping his voice alive in this videos, they are very much needed in this day and age.
Yes, alcoholic quitters have the same affect on me. That is exactly what an atheist is, a quitter. Nothing in this world that is worth while is easy, quitting seeking the Divine is easy. Stop being a quitter, please.
Jeff you would appear to be guilty of the Sun of pride mate.
So if you're right, your loving God is going to fry you for ever and ever.
Might want to think about that......
@@jeffforsythe9514 Hahaha what divine and what religion you are talking about?
Christianity?
Islam?
Judaism?
Buddhism?
Hinduism?
All these religions are contradictory and fight against each other
Christians chased Jews from Israel
Jews chased Palestinians
Muhammad chased Christians and Jews from Arabia
Hindus target muslims in India
Muslims target Hindus in Bangladesh and Pakistan
Religion is a virus
So face the reality
@@kartheeshk5519 There is a big difference between God and religion, I am a disciple of Our Lord. I received His blessing just like that man in the song Amazing Grace. At what age were you when you first made the mistake of becoming an atheist and why did you chose that sad path, if you don't mind me asking.
@@jeffforsythe9514 I am against religions and religious beliefs
I did not say that I am an atheist
I don't believe in religion
And all religions contradict themselves
As a child born into a conflicted Jewish family, Rabbi Botesch is just another example of the rabbinical personalities in my youth who generated persuasive arguments and stories that seemed filled with a self-righteousness that they felt were necessary and approved by god. I miss Christopher Hitchens and his brilliance.
Persuasive? If I was a 12 year old listening to this dickhead I would've ran to atheism immediately
I grew up catholic and knew it was BS in highschool
I was raised in a reformed Jewish family. I guess my experience was different, because I had a very progressive rabbi who encouraged me to question everything I read. The Torah wasn’t treated like fact, it was treated like metaphor, and the indirect translation of Hebrew meant that it could be interpreted in many ways. I am agnostic, but Judaism seemed much less about doing whatever god thought was right, and more about simply observing traditions that our ancestors had supposedly observed in times past.
He was a stubborn drunkard who used booze to keep his demons away instead of asking God for help, poor guy.
🤣🤣🤣
@@jeffforsythe9514u been on that lie for a long while through this C&R section
Rabbi says Hitchen’s book is full of lies and inconsistencies, but doesn’t bother to list any. Then, he proceeds to not make an argument for his case.
Waving your arms around and yelling doesn't make what you say any more true than adding racing stripes to a car adds horsepower.
Worked for me.
Worked for me.
@@ObediahPolkinghornIII-cz5io And while we're on the subject of blasphemies, HAN DID NOT SHOOT FIRST. www.vox.com/culture/2019/11/13/20963415/disney-plus-star-wars-han-shot-first-greedo-edit
@@circumcisedheretic394
Star wars is, and always will be a terrible series of films.
@@WhoThisMonkey *gasp* Blasphemy! /s
The eye is a perfect creation of a god
-person wearing glasses
🤣🤣🤣
I’m glad I wasn’t the only one who spotted that 😂
I literally paused the video and put my glasses on so I could do a proper double-take.
"mutation can't be random because 99% of mutations would KILL YOU" XD
Show me two identical people in the audience. Show me two identical spleens from anywhere on the planet. Our genome is a casting template made of rubber, because that's all it needs to be. Evolution is about survival and NOTHING ELSE. Anything that CAN replicate WILL replicate, if it's a bad idea it just spreads slower and gets drowned out.
@@SamualRobotham-IWasOnlyKidding how could anyone not see it? 😂
@@TrippyKenpachi eye impairment.
I love my brothers and sister who come back to these debates and say that todays world would be so much better if hitch was still here
Man, that ending about never pushing the Palestines out aged like milk.
I was thinking the same. Very funny that.
WHY DON'T GOD EVER SHOW UP FOR THESE DEBATES
@H D
Well yes, and he would stop 'his' Jews from being slaughtered?
Tricky for the non existent to show up. How about asking Jesus to try ! guess that will be a long wait
@@gowdsake7103
Well, we don't know God doesn't exist.
But no evidence has been demonstrated that God does exist, and a lack of evidence can be considered evidence that God doesn't exist.
A lack of evidence is evidence, but not proof that a claim may be dismissed
So, the case for God's existence is definitely weighed in the favour of his non existence.
But neither side has been proven.
To claim that God doesn't exist, is a claim that carries a burden of proof though.
It's a much stronger stance to claim you don't know, that way you can ask for evidence, without having to provide any yourself.
@@WhoThisMonkey I admit I was loose in my point to make a point. I agree with you that there is the minutest possibility a god could exist, tho certainly not the Abrahamic one and not one that has ever been proven
So in your mind Santa, leprechauns, and vampires are just some of many you think might be real because you can’t prove they don’t exist?
You cannot prove a negative.. Given the claims, the simple lack of evidence is plenty evidence that the god of the Bible doesn’t exist.
The Rabbi: *Claims christopher used character assassination*...immediately followed by him attacking christopher
It’s what they do best in their minds.
And did so in his first rebuttal
Hitchens makes a compelling argument against a religious outlook and religion as a whole.
The Rabbi makes a personal attack against Hitchens and promotes his own book.
It's no mystery who won this debate.
This is the debate - the final step - on my path to atheism. This is also the first Hitchens debate I ever listened to. I think I finally decided to listen to what the atheists had to say after a solid year of listening to apologetics - so I picked this one on a whim. Woo boy
Keep at it. The path is truly yours.
This was hardly a debate. It was damn near an ideological and intellectual homicide.
Any one of Hitchens's debates would have done the same. The man was a force of nature.
"Who is the one would uses character assassination?"
Umm... you do preacher man... you opened with it.
@PJ Scotland but Hitchins existed
SNORKYMEDIA I never believed in Hitch.
@@minion236 ...yay?
He is so not self aware that Rabbi . . . I could not believe he started with that statement
The Rabbi’s opening speech and rebuttal is mainly shouting and ad hominem. He doesn’t refute any central points Hitch makes.
The Rabbi was (figuratively) pounding table, and we know what that means....
Storm Hawk
And the hypocrisy of the Rabbi attacking Hitchens for selling a book while he’s plugging his on stage a minute later.
Hi Storm Hawk, The Rabbi is a awesome guy and his books are well researched and
written and he has helped many people from his show" shalom in the Home". He has lots of passion. The Hitch, the same he to well educated and well spoken. I'm with the Hitch however the Rabbi Boteach is a good read too. Love both these guys!
Maybe you saw a different debate? Try looking for "Full Version: Christopher Hitchens and Rabbi Shmuley Boteach Debate on God (low quality)" It has the Rabi making a lot of intelligent and well thought out arguments for his side. For instance, when he talks about circumcision being found beneficial by the medical community. I want to be agreeable, but then we would both be wrong.
@@sa-iw4dr Boteach is an "awesome guy" is he? I've watched many debates with Boteach and the very LAST thing that came across was his "awesomeness"! What HAS come across, however, is a screeching, whining demagogue with nothing original to add to the usual sleight of hand these people employ in an attempt to bamboozle the uninformed. He seeks to obfuscate, to switch the burden of proof, to employ any argumentative trick he can to confuse the issue and try and "win" the argument. Very much like a Jewish William Lane Craig. People like Craig and Boteach make their living lying to children. This is not something worthy of praise.
That most the Rabbis friends are atheist should hardly be a surprise. Hearing the Hitchens chuckle on hearing this was worth the price of admission.
Dr. Neil Gillman is the unsung hero of this debate. The way he repeatedly attempted at "moderating" the poor Rabbi was absolutely brilliant and hysterical at the same time.
I completely lost it when towards the very end, he so calmly and innocently took out a handkerchief and blew his nose, during Mr. Boteach's fiery speech on the Amalekites 😂😂😂
The way this rabbi shouts so readily and with such energy is giving me a very clear picture of how he is used to treating others. I daresay he has terrified his belief into many children.
They say that the worse the product you’re selling, the louder you have to speak
They're all fuckwits. He's just a very big one.
Rabbi didn't make a single pro-theism statement in his opening speech. He was merely bashing Hitchens as if an avalanche of ad hominems might undermine his argument.
He got Hitchslapped
Hitchens changed my life .thanks
I was surprised and taken aback by his immediate and unapologetic ad hominem attacks right at the start of his opening statement.
In the last 3 sentences, Hitchens states that he is looking forward to the wickedness of the belief, and Boteach starts attacking him with no substance, doing exactly what Hitchens predicted.
My GOD
@@bigshmooz610 Seems like you come from a religion of peace which spreads love and tolerance, huh? xD
@@Stefus87, just for the record, there is a time for peace and there is a time for war. (Ecclesiastes chapter 1)
There is tolerance that is reasonable and there is tolerance that is foolish. I do not tolerate the foolish type.
Hitchens was a murderer. To tolerate the murderer is the domain of the foolish.
How ironic that the 'righteous' God 'believer' is pro-genocide whereas the 'non-righteous' atheist is anti-genocide.
You'd never..... ever going to beat Christopher. I'm sorry
"After all the burden of proof is not with me." -Hitchens just killing it right from the get go.
Wish I had said that. Great.
@J. Dallison since no proof of god exists the entire argument for god's existence is on the Rabbi. I just laugh when anyone says otherwise.
@@blackbird5634 Hitchens is making a straw man argument. Implicit in his demand for "Proof" is the assumption that God is amenable to science. Science is the study of the physical, material world, which any Christian will tell you is not the proper characterisation of God. This type of sophistry is an exemplar of the poverty of Hitchens' arguments against the existence of God. Much as I adored Hitchens as he shredded every demagogue who deserved it in the 80s and 90s, his atheist arguments were callow and beyond fatuous.
@@tobetrayafriend if you ignore the 'science' of proof you enter the 'woo woo' (Richard Dawkins' words) areas, and then god becomes a feeling or an atom, or a collective unconscious. Humanity will not be held hostage to people who think and feel they 'know the mind of god' and use it to punish the rest of us who deny his/her existence. No, anyone making the claim has all the weight of proof on them.
@@blackbird5634 The problem I have with Hitchens rabid atheism is that it's self-defeating. He scorns the idea of God, citing lack of "proof" as an unanswerable repudiation of theism. But we shouldn't expect proof (which will necessarily be grounded in the material universe) of a being which, definitionally, is unconstrained by and transcends time, space and matter. This is why I said in my original comment that Hitchens had constructed a straw man. His argument is bankrupt, yet he presents it as a "Gotcha!"
A few other issues: firstly, he is guilty of intellectual arrogance in the framing of his argument (as a reminder, I'm a fan of Hitchens when he is tackling less ineffable subject matter). Science hasn't come close to answering the really profound questions, such as the birth of the universe, the extraordinary levels of fine tuning present at both the macro and micro scales, the location of the seat of consciousness and the role it plays in the universe. Until these questions have been satisfactorily answered by science (which they most certainly have not), surely it is the height of arrogance to categorically dismiss other points of view?
Secondly, Hitchens, like many atheists, tend to conflate "God" with "religion." This conflation allows him a fair old romp, because he can triumphantly grab all the low hanging fruit of legitimate criticism that one can aim at organised religious institutions, and claim victory against theism. But religion and its institutions are man made and hence fallible. Pointing out the evils of Islamic terrorism is not a valid rebuttal of God.
Thirdly, to take your argument that the lack of scientific proof means that one is reduced to the realm of woo - one man's woo is another man's faith.
Lastly, as someone who spent many years as an agnostic, before grappling with the subject of God and coming to a considered theistic position on the topic over many years, I do see strong evidence for God. For example, the existence of love - I don't have enough faith to believe that love is the product of atoms. That genuinely is a step too far.
Sober, eloquent reasoning versus screeching, hysterical caterwauling. Take your pick.
ScinLaeca358 so sober while not sober 😂😂
@Daniel Langridge
Hitchens on his drinking:
“... everyone keeps asking how I do it. How I do what? I’m never completely sure what the questioner means.
I hope they mean how do I manage to keep producing books, writing essays, making radio and television appearances at all hours, traveling all over the place with no sign of exhaustion, teaching classes, and giving lectures, while still retaining my own hair and teeth and a near-godlike physique which is the envy of many of my juniors.
Sometimes, though, I suppose they mean how do I do all this and still drink enough every day to kill or stun the average mule?”
@@barkYdarkATFB source pls
@Magnus Hustveit
An article he wrote for Vanity Fair called “Living Proof” in 2003
www.vanityfair.com/news/2003/03/hitchens-200303
The whole article is humorous.
And there’s no way you can read it without hearing the words in his voice.
@@barkYdarkATFB wicked mate 🥃
The rabbis dishonesty in this debate is insane. Hitchens was the only one able to so brutally dismantle these kind of debaters without any ugly tactics or dishonesty.
Hitchens debated the subject of God. Boteach debated the subject of Hitchens and his book.
When you go into a debate, and forget to debate and instead preach. Lol religious folk never cease to amuse
I do love how Hitch sits quietly and still during the last five minutes while Boteach makes a huge fool of himself and behaves like a petulant juvenile. Hitch gives Boteach the rope necessary to hang himself. Hitch was an utter legend
Why are hitching your wagon to a dead horse?
I think maybe you might raise your standards for who you call an utter legend, good grief.
@@jeffforsythe9514
There is little wrong in admiring intellect even in those with whom we disagree.
Afterall, Galileo turned out to be correct even though the godly of his time disagreed with him.
It's ok to read widely, you know. It is particular enlightening to consider the views of those with whom we profoundly disagree.
God bless
@@jeffforsythe9514 he's so good you're not his best fan... Raising his standing with me even further 👍🏻
@@jeffforsythe9514 you're a sad, miserable person if you can't even open your mind to others thoughts and beliefs. I hope you become more tolerable to reason.
1000% with Christopher!
The mere presence of Hitchens has caused this Rabbi's brain to stop working, much like the work of logic, silence speakers louder.
When somebody has to shout to make a point, don’t you think they know they’ve lost?
I mean it works in the military when you wanna do push ups LOL but when your yelling at someone to believe you know the truth of everything that’s just cringe
@@jessjustforfunpreaching vs training are completely different things. Preaching to make one a believer vs ordering to make one a soldier. Terrible point. Only those who can't do the push ups wouldn't understand
@@josh3854if you thought about it a bit deeper you’d hopefully see very obvious parallels. No idea what that push-up stuff was about, your conclusion was a non sequitur
You are presuming God doesn't shout...
@@thomasmassey322 how can a non-existent entity shout, there’s no such thing as a god! And the point still stands, if you have to shout your point is lost! It’s the old adage, when there’s a debate and one side brings up hitler then you know their argument is null and void.
Christopher Hitchens, amazing orator and a very intelligent, informed man.
Atheists offer no hope, just death. You die, bye, bye see you no more.
God/Jesus offers life, eternal life (to know him). No religion needed. Just faith, faith plus nothing.
John 3:15
That whosoever believeth in him should not perish but have eternal life.
John 17:3
And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
@@paulgemme6056 It's not what atheists offer, it's what nature gives us all. Theist, or no.
@@Tybren How gave us nature? All creation. Who was loving and caring enough to give us such beauty?
@@paulgemme6056 It all started from a singularity of energy that cooled into matter, formed planets, stars which created more elements, and eventually life. What might have caused the singularity, if the question makes sense to ask? Nobody knows. Not enough evidence to jump to any conclusions.
@@Tybren Faith is not a conclusion. Faith is the absolute belief that God/Jesus is not a liar.
Rabbi Shmuley gets up there, and in the face of Hitchens' plain eloquence, reaches immediately for ad hominems, straw man arguments (Oh no, Hitchens made a few dollars from his book!), emotional appeals ("Ugh, isn't that stuff about galaxies colliding depressing?") and puts on a clinic in misrepresenting Hitchens' words while running away from the substance of his arguments.
Wow. Rabbi is desperately outclassed. He would be outclassed by the mic stand. What a load of rubbish.
This rabbi is intellectually dishonest with himself and those he speaks with.
Everywhere he was so blatantly distorting facts to suit his needs.
He has no need of honesty he has faith !
@@gowdsake7103
Faith is indistinguishable from gullibility.
@@WhoThisMonkey That and an unwillingness to accept your own faults . But yes gullibility sums up faith
Lying for Jahweh.
The arguments that Christopher Hitchens laid out were powerful. The Rabbi was unable to handle them. Therefore, he forgot to defend his faith and lashed out at his opponent.
yes true but what else can he do... in order to defend his faith he has to argue validity from a centuries old book written in old times with so many errors when looked upon with todays knnowledge that wont work when in a debate with someone knowledgable to break all arguments apart.
whats left is either descibig your feelings on religion and the faith you have in it.or try to make your opponent look bad so people wont listen to him anymore.
he choose the latter
@@sadev101 This is proof positive the faithful are intellectually handicapped. The Rabbi simply isn't decent enough to admit Hitch's points are valid, and you're saying his only option is to attack Hitch's character?...... Hope you're not ok with that line of thought. This Moron Rabbi did more to stir anti-jewish thoughts in me if his approach is the best the faith has to offer. What a witless fecal pump......
@@sadev101 When all you've got is "a book says a thing", ad hominems are all you've really got.
Jews were sort of like atheists, they turned their backs on Jesus and atheists have turned their backs to our Lord, what a shame.
Powerful? Here is a guy trying to drag you down into Hell, your power of discernment is very weak, sorry.
The Rabbi is completely outclassed -
This rabbi only plays on people's emotions! He's basically preaching. This isn't a debate. I'm at a synagogue I think. Ha ha
Please make a donation on your way out. Schmoil.
Exactly what at least his opening felt like.
I had to check my foreskin to see if it was still attatched.
Thank you for sharing this debate.
I'm so happy I've stumbled on this debate. I was a Catholic, the a protestant but now I'm an Atheist and this debate has only made me a stronger atheist. What kind of powerful God who decides what we'll eat or about our private parts? Like really, is he that powerful if he's concerned about such issues?
What I remember from this debate is that there's a point later in the debate where Shumley has been so utterly dimsantled by Hitch, so reduced, so swept off the board, that he's sat while Hitch is talking and he's actually twitching and jerking about in his seat, driven to something close to insanity. Very pleasing.
You would have seen some real twitching and sweating if someone had taken away Hitchens bottle.
@@jeffforsythe9514
Isn't that rather an unkind thought. How do you Square that with the teachings of Christ?
Please don't seek to defend the noble with the ignoble. It's not nice.
So you enjoy watching Hitch make an old foolish man twitch. Gives us a good picture of you. Sad.
@@jeffforsythe9514 I loved it. :)
What I found most interesting was the contrast between how the two protagonists dealt with the issues and between each other. It seemed to me that the Rabbi was exceptionally aggressive, loud, and directly personal throughout the debate, often smearing Hitchens without being able to back up his assertions. The adapted quote, "Methinks he dost protest too much" comes to mind.
Hitchens is fabulous, with humor and intellect, wit, and class slays his debaters!
You took the words straight out of my mouth, Anthony.
So tragic that the Rabbi had to resort to personal attacks, thereby losing all credibility.
Hats off to Mr. Hitchens for his composure, wit, eloquence and integrity.
Ask the Rabbi if he has ever had a wet fart in public. If he has then he can pray and thank god the intelligent designer for it
Hitchens talks as if he knows what he is talking about but I can assure you that God exists and is merciful and looks at every one of us as precious, His finest creations............falun dafa
Rabbi Boteach's ad hominem barrage should have stopped by an impartial moderator and dismissed as non-germane to the debate topic.
1:12:54, and here comes the best Hitchslap that ever occurred. Good on you, Christopher, you didn't let him get away with it!
You know you are in trouble when Hitchens addresses you with “EXCUSE ME SIR, Excuse me”!
...or when he repeats his interlocutor's terrible point and says one of my favorite of his proclamations, "I refuse to be talked to in this tone!"
I said good day sir!
I'd like to take a second to express my appreciation for UA-cam for being a site where videos, such as this, can reach many who would never have a chance to view otherwise.
I love how the rabbi goes at debunking evolution (failing miserably doing so) and ends the ramble by saying "and I'm not a scientist". Absolutely ridiculous.
“Careful Rabbi, you run the risk of character suicide”. I almost fell off my chair.
Interesting that he brought up the great flu of 1919. Any 2020 folks viewing?
Reporting from the ass end of this ass year.
@@nathanielgrey4091 Haha for real man..
I return to this video about once a year to marvel at Hitchens and be dismayed by Boteach.
It's all about 2021 now
Yeah, still bingewatching all that Dawkins, Hitchens, Fry and Krauss Stuff to get better in english and debating theists. Afterwork ritual. All the effects of "getting enlightened" depress me sometimes. Someone familiar with that? * Edit: Imagine how far we could have gone as a once nearly extincted creature, if we would stop deluding our Children and let Science and Ethics be an alternative to show your Child what to do and what not. Feels like a wasted existence if you consider that WE (atheists / anti-theists) are the MINORITY. -.-
Those opening statements from Hitch are just absolutely the reason I love him, and why he will always be one of the most treasured moments in my journey from nonsensical, tyrannical faith, to reason, and logic.
Hear, here, my friend.
@@concettaworkman5895lllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll
You are confusing faith with being lied to by evil, power hungry men, faith is wonderful. But foolish me, trying to make sense to someone who loves a dead, alcoholic cynical negative being.
Just another rude profiteering iconoclast.
Corrupt religions and faith are two different things. Faith in the lord relieves despair, faith is its own reward.
An elderly woman I knew who died a few years ago was a Christian and a wonderful person who was always helping people. Her only child had died of meningitis aged 3. She believed absolutely that she would meet him again in the afterlife. How could I have told her that that was nonsense? As for the penis trimming, it horrifies me too. But you can understand why it has become a self-perpetuating tradition. We all like to think that our parents are intelligent and love us and only act in our best interests. It follows that we can't bear to think that they would deliberately harm us out of stupidity, or community pressure (supposedly from a community that also loves and cares for us) or worst of all out of malice. In fact it becomes an emotional necessity to believe they mutilated our genitalia for a loving and rational reason. And so we convince ourselves that genital mutilation is a good and necessary thing that we must continue with future generations. And so the madness and stupidity just goes on and on.
That rabbi is an embarrassment to the Jewish faith. Borderline unwatchable he makes no valid points and resorts to hysterically attacking Hitchens. Pathetic, he was so out of his league it was embarrassing.
He didn't need to say I'm not a scientist. He demonstrated that very beautifully.
When your argument is weak or nonexistent, go after your opponent's character.
Works for me...
@@samsamuelz2050 Eh?
@John Rabson Jr And while we're on the subject of blasphemies, HAN DID NOT SHOOT FIRST. www.vox.com/culture/2019/11/13/20963415/disney-plus-star-wars-han-shot-first-greedo-edit
@@johnrabsonjrii1357 In the past two months, you've masqueraded as John Rabson Jr, Uncircumcised Apostate, Christopher Hitchens, Christopher Marlowe, Big Shmooz, and now Janis Hart. Have you considered getting a job?
Sam Samuels Geez, Hitchens/Marlowe/Apostate/Janis/John, how many sock puppets does one troll need?
Christopher a legend! RIP
The rabbi didnt provide a single argument in his entire time speaking. All he did was personal attacks and pointing fingers at people who believe in god or are theists. He is arguably one of the most insufferable humans i have ever had the displeasure to listen to in my life. Thanks Hitchens for providing some rational in this.
I just found out that Mr. Hitchens passed away, I’m shocked and dismayed. My Son introduced him to me recently and he has left me in awe with his intellect. May his many lectures and videos open the minds of generations to come.
I agree that we have lost a great intellect! We need more of his knowledge, charm, humor and creative lectures. By contrast, listening to Rabbi Boteach, makes me twitch...his voice and yelling do not serve him well at all.
Hitchens was the best because of his eloquence. The Rabbi was out of his league
Mate have you been living under a rock for 10 years?
Atheists offer no hope, just death. You die, bye, bye see you no more.
God/Jesus offers life, eternal life (to know him). No religion needed. Just faith, faith plus nothing.
John 3:15
That whosoever believeth in him should not perish but have eternal life.
John 17:3
And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
I just met him too! Now i have to listen too everything i can find with him!!
that was my first ever clip i saw of hitchens. and it was love at first sight.
Oh awesome.. I'm here after watching a podcast of Seth Andrew's, his youtube channel is called "The Thinking Atheist" (not refering to himself) and he said this was his first video he saw of Hitchens and this started his journey to atheism.. he was a christian radio host.. and the podcast was about Hitchen's death. Awesome youtube channel though.
Siberius Wolf The thinking atheist. That’s an oxymoron.
@@motorcop505 Yes, because thinking about things and coming to your own conclusions is a bad idea.
However, believing the exact religion that you were raised with as a child is the more intellectually rigorous pursuit.
@PJ Scotland That cult would be Judaism.
Hitchens is/was my hero and I never tire of rewatching his arguments… I have never wished I could hear a man’s voice in the present more than his - the World should miss him almost as much as I do…
Shmuley's intellectual dishonesty in this debate is so bad that he deliberately misinterprets or misleads clearly explained theories to support his own view.
I've seen many debates with respectable rabbis, and the fact that this guy is an ordained one really just lowers the bar for all of them. Hitchens himself even says that the Jews are the most challenging opponents in a debate, as one of their tenets is scepticism, which is to question everything. He also says it's why so many Jews become atheists.
I'd be surprised if a large part of the Jewish community did not condemn Shmuley for his blatant lies and dishonesty.
Wow, I was genuinely trying to listen to Boteach because I think If you tune into a debate, it's important to listen to all of it, not just the bits that interest you, but half an hour into this I need to tap out. The lack of coherency combined with the tone has my brain dribbling out of my ears with a combination of boredom and annoyance that is almost impressive. There's only so much masochism I can take lol.
"His book made him money and atheism is a non profit organization" How much you reckon religions have made off of book sales?
Also there is a good pun here "Atheism is a non Prophet organization" 😂
and he just plug his book mearly minuts afterward ... pittyful!
I thought he meant 'prophet' and was trying to make a joke that doesn't really work unless you read it.
Rabbi and money. Isn't there a clue there?
"Also there is a good pun here "Atheism is a non Prophet organization" 😂 " I'm pretty sure that's what he meant. The joke simply didn't land.
The response was exactly what he deserved: crickets.
Who is here after Candace talked to Rabbi Barklay
The argument you can't have morals without God is absurd
Most unbelievers of the truth think that a human being can be good enough without God/Jesus wisdom (laws, commandments), but they do not want to quit ALL their bad addictions to be really good humans, as the Creator wants us to be, and they do not want to love (care about) the others as they love (care about) themselves, as the true Christians do. Their idea of good is way too low than what it should be, and that is why so many people are still far from Heaven (they do not recognize their bad deeds).
@@filmeseverin unfounded nonsense
@@Mikefantasia22 The question is: Why so many were/are opposing to the main advice from Jesus Christ: to strive always for goodness, wisdom, justice... perfection? *_"Be perfect therefore, as your Heavenly Father is perfect"_* Matthew 5, 48
Most probably, because just as it is easier to destroy something useful than to make/build something useful, in the same way it is easier to be evil=stupid than to be good=wise.
I've seen quite a few Hitchens debates but Rabbi Boteach appears to be one of his most unpleasant opponents. He completes the entire series of fallacies and breaches of good conduct that are so ubiquitous amongst apologists: Ad hominem, misrepresentation of facts, scientific theories and what other people said, quote mining, outright internal inconsistencies in his arguments, invented "facts" and much more. One could write down his speech verbatim and then debunk every single sentence he has uttered. Top this off with a voice (and volume) that makes one fear for his health and you've got the prototype of how not to conduct a debate.
Galloway and Hitchins is the greatest debate I have ever witnessed
The hypocrisy in everything the Rabbi says about the Talmud's graciousness is being shown by their treatment of Muslims during this war. Shows exactly the type of people that reside in Israel and proves Christopher right.