I mean, I feel like there is a pretty simple method of balance Stop playing video games (or watching TV or movies or doing anything else), live like a hermit and you know...paint more minis. ;) -- Great show guys.
I will attest to the fact that having a buddy who does the hobby well teach you in person does make the the process much more fun and builds the excitement of the hobby. Being able to ask questions as you're learning is much more beneficial than many videos. Videos are helpful for ideas and moving forward once you're decent yourself, but as a beginner, personal instruction is much better. For instance, you guys offer great info on paints, schemes, etc. but those who get to set with you and work through a project would have such a better learning experience.
I've only played a few games of Underworlds, and not at all since Covid, but GW does have a system for rotating out cards from the earlier "seasons." ("Seasons" are defined by the release of the new versions of the boxed set, such as Direchasm or Beastgrave.) I *think* the rule is you can only use cards from the current season and immediately previous season, in organized play, at least. In order to keep the earlier warbands viable, you probably can use the warband-specific cards for them, no matter how old they are.
Got an umm actually for you, guys! Animals like deer (and birds too) don't have reverse knees. What looks like their knee is actually their heel. The hoof isn't their foot, that's just their toe.
I use a Nix camera to color match house paint for repair. About the size of a twenty sided die. It just has its own white balance and flash, holds flat blocking out all other light to the surface, and references its image to hex code color library of popular paint manufacturers. In principle it could work for minis if it was a little smaller.
About the WoW comments, you're definitely right. Painting every mini of an army over the course of a few years will form a deeper connection (partially due to them being physical of course). Yet seeing an achievement or a mount you've earned years later also brings back certain memories. Memories of people you knew back then, the hours spent face planting into a certain boss with friends, I think they too form a special memory in a way.(Not that you denied that they didn't).
Cool to hear your Underworlds experience. Don't listen to Jon, it's a great game. Deck building with the boxes you have with friends is arguably the best way to play. Pick a couple cards you definitely want and try to build to support those concepts, and just swap a card or two in and out through repeat plays and you'll have a cool experience.
Something I found that helped with balance was selecting days to work, and days to chillax. I paint Mon, Wed, Fri and Sat nights, but the other nights I chill with the wife and if she goes to bed early, I paint for myself, or play Blood Bowl 2 on the PC. lol. but, balance is extremely important. *side note, you guys are goofballs, and I love it!
I suck at "more than 2-ish" hobbies. Also, Videogames ARE a hobby. So what I do is turn hobbies on and off. One month may be videogames. The next will be assembling models. Painting. Etc.
I’m sure I’m not the first to say this since it’s so old but I JUST found the podcast. All I wanted to say is I love you guys so much and you brought me into a mini painting adjacent (painting and modding dollar stir toys cuz I’m broke) hobby. But I also wanted to point out that a loooong time ago Blizzard was selling 3D figures of PCs from WoW through WoW Armory. Idk if they do it anymore tho. lol.
I really enjoyed the break down and conversing about Underworld. It would be awesome if you guys did something like this where you play a few games of a game then break it down more often.
When I explain to my friends about video games vs painting minis, I always say "I can't show you my save file" . You can spend 100 of hours and you having nothing to show.
I think the panic moment you describe at 30.00 is something that more affects intermediate or just-out-of-beginner painters (at least for me) because you know just enough about colour theory to be overwhelmed by how much you (think you) could screw things up.
Hobby balance: You guys are doing hobbying as a business. For most of us, hobbies are for fun. So for most of us, do the thing that is fun right then with your hobby time. If that means that you don't do one of your hobbies for a day, or a week, or a month, or a year, why would that matter? When it seems like it would be fun again, do it again. You have no obligation to "balance" your various hobbies like you might "balance" your time between your wife and your mistress ... hypothetically. Once you start spending time on something out of obligation, it's a job, not a hobby. (And yes, a marriage is a job. 8-) ) For consistent paint-color sampling, try something like Color Muse. It has its own light and excludes all other lights when sampling, so the colors are consistent, it connects to your phone (Bluetooth), and it's tiny and easy to use. You do have to consider the substrate, but there's nothing preventing your taking multiple samples on different substrates.
My preferred hobby is playing board games. I got into painting simply to bring color to my grey-ass miniatures. My wife prefers relaxing on the couch, watching television. So, painting has become a compromise where I can paint in the living room, passively watching (more so listening) TV with my wife.
Good stuff. That 80% stat is quite interesting. Also, all of the points you bring up about Underworlds are totally valid. A lot of Pros and Cons to that game.
Catching up on all your pods... Underworlds is still good fun.. The setup to make 2 balanced warbands face off is the biggest challenge.. Not playing competitively, its a real fun game when the 2 bands are evenly matched.
Jus wanna say i fkn love you dudes im subbed to miniac and ninjon and im binging these podcasts, and just in the few weeks ive been goin ham om my painting ive seen hella improvement so thanks dudes 🤘🤘🤘 love the content and yall crack me up
Tom Scott has a good video on digitising colours: the pinkest pink. Due to screens using three colours to simulate real colours there’s always a difference between that and naturally occurring pigmenting. Secondly the MMO Star Trek online has the option to 3D print your custom ships. Really expensive but people went nutso for it
Really enjoyed the gaming side of this episode.. I have never played a games workshop game so it was good to get your personal take on a new game you’ve played
I have about 5 -6 hobbies or skills , playing guitar , drawing , rc cars , painting , minature painting, working on cars . I do all this mostly during the day , I just do them for a few hrs at a time during the day , i have a child so i play with him and read to him a few hrs , then work lol it's just about time management.
Btw, if you thin down your contrast paints you can use them as glazes over large flat surfaces very effectively. I use 2 coats using s large clean wet brushes and the tiniest dot of contrast out of the pot on the tip of the brush. GLHF
I am knee-deep in Gloomhaven content. I created some custom classes (Frostborn + Rootwhisperer) and if you are interested, I can hook you guys up! Don't tease us anymore, paint a GH mini already! or make a conversion/alternative!
Pretty sure Blizzard had a statuette service years ago....probably around wrath of the lich king, to create your character as a statue with its name on etc
I tend to schedule days for my hobbies. I only get about 3 days a month or so for miniature painting. On those three days it’s a solid 8 hours to do it and then life happens on the other days.
I've learned over the past 12~13 years that sometimes you just gotta take a break and do something else. Burnout happens even if you try to take a break. For me my biggest issue is getting the tools and materials I need to paint, lol.
The time sync seems to be off a bit. Not a big problem because I normally just listen but i'm trying to figure out if it is on my side or is it the video itself. Love what you guys are doing. This is really not a complaint. I will watch every episode :)
I've finished Cyberpunk 2077 after 65 hours. I've neglected other hobbies during that time, but not for the entire time. Last 20 hours I've started scheduling my time. 2 hours of hobby and 2 hours of gaming. It's hard to stick to limited play time, especially once you start mission that is highly engaging.
About the GW hobbyist/gamer stat.... Maybe they got it from the macrosurvey they did where they explicitly asked whether you had any interest in playing/building/painting and if you had done so in the past/recently?
Coming from a marketing research background their metric for player vs hobbyist likely comes from the ITC scene. Most companies like this base there numbers off of large sale events like that.
Took time to do the digging to the archived article they discuss at the end. The quote reads "[Games Workshop's mission statement] does not mention games. In conversation, I’m told that the word “Game” in Games Workshop encourages the misconception that games are its business, but that only about 20% of Games Workshop’s customers are gamers. The rest are modellers and collectors. Maybe half of them think about playing now and then. The other half have no intention. People actually walk into the stores because they’re curious about modelling fantastic armies." The whole article is a fluffy opinion piece regarding if their stock is worth buying (shortly after the AoS release, while X-Wing was still the hotness and looking to flip the minis world upside down) and avoids saying much with specific numbers or how the data was gathered, unfortunately.
Just had a flashback to my childhood. We couldn’t have a pet growing up so me and my sisters caught a red back spider and fed it flies! We got in trouble when we tried bringing it to school to show our friends cause it was venomous...
Cyberpunk 2077 helped me realize I have time to paint. During this pandemic I've been working from home and every day has just become a groundhog day of not getting anything done. I've played Cyberpunk 2077 for 128 hours since it's release on Dec 8 (3 weeks ago), apparently I can find time to actually do something apart from just staring into the void... 2021 I will focus on getting at least an hour of hobby time every day, but these last days of 2020 I'll focus on some more Cyberpunk 2077 ;)
Sometimes it works that way for me too. It feels weird because painting should be effortless like video games feel. It takes a little more energy to get into painting so maybe that's why it's harder to start it up
@@Miniac its strange though. If I paint for 8hrs straight when I'm done I feel pleased, tired but at peace. When I game for 8hrs straight I feel dirty as shit.
I think with most social games like Warhammer or D&D, Pathfinder, most people aren't players they want to play but can't find or don't put in the effort to play and so they get their fix from painting/collecting minis, reading/collecting books, building terrain, and watching videos on different aspects of said hobbies. It's easier to do the solo parts than the social aspect of these hobbies/games. And now with the crap way this last year has been, the social part is getting smaller and smaller.
Great show as always. That article you guys talked about at the end of the episode is interesting. 🤔 while I agree, I feel like I'm outside of the norm. I have played more games of AoS in the last 7 months than I ever played of other games like Magic the Gathering etc. Again awesome show guys.
Blizzard actually had a service where you could get your WoW character 3d printed. It was in the early days, and it was powder/sinter printing so it looked kinda grainy and dusty or whatever, and very expensive. I was very close to getting my mage in full T5 gear printed... but I figured it would be around and I could do it more towards when I was quitting the game, as a memento. Instead it disappeared.
as a Aussie i have a good laugh at the end Bit! and i can confirm i have to get rig of atleast 5 or so huntsmen spiders the size of my face out of my shower throughout the year
I got that gaming vs miniatures problem too. In case of CP 2077 the problem kind of solved itself. I had a slipping accident while dog walking and ruptured a tendon in my foot and injured my hand. Using a mouse is ok but no paint handle holding since the beginning of december.
I think I have the solution to your paint matching issues for your million dollar app. I used to do screen printing and we used what is called the Pantone matching system, or PMS for short. There is a digital version of this as well as a paper version. I think it would be pretty easy to match physical paint from any mini paint manufacturer with the physical Pantone book which would correspond with the digital version assigned to that color. Of course there would be slight variations depending on the settings of the users device , but I believe it would all work out very well. You're welcome. Let me know when you need an address send out my royalty checks.😘 great show by the way.
Hey guys love your stuff as always, just got a couple of notes. One, I love the gaming talk recently. Please talk about games more! That being said with the amount of poop talk I've listened to you guys talk about I can probably just enjoy you two talking about anything. I think you guys came at the gw discussion a bit wrong. GW said that 80% of their customers were hobbyists but this didn't exclude them from playing the games also. The GW statement just means that 80% of their customers value the assembling, converting and painting process and to remove that would be reducing the value of their products to those customers. Also I'm not sure we really need to yell "gayyyyyy" after a homoerotic joke anymore. I don't think there's anything wrong with the jokes themselves but yelling gay is a bit demeaning. Love your stuff!
I always put building and painting on the back burner, when I have something to play. It’s a problem. Right now it’s FFXIV and Cyberpunk 2077. I do build minis when I’m waiting for queues, in FFXIV, but it’s not enough to get anywhere substantial. The only time I get a huge amount of work done is when I burn out on games. The last year has been a resurgence for gaming, so miniatures have faded into the background. I guess gaming is more of my hobby, at the moment and everything else is secondary.
I've come for the Preamble Poop Ramble and must witness out of sync audio. But I don't care because you're my fav podcast and I got a glass of wine. Or two.
Maybe I can answer on how GW can calculate the percentage of players and painters. I don't remember the exact month, but in 2019 they did a survey on their website asking how much you spend per month on GW products, how much you play on average each month and how many hours you spend painting each week.
GW marketing department for sure has a good grasp of it's customerbase. Just ask 1000 customers how much they play and analyze what they buy and you have a ratio of miniatures to rules sales for gamers and non gamers (and everything in between). Sure, they don't know if you're surreptitiously playing in yours basement, but if you've not bought a codex in the last 2 years (like for example 80% of their customers) for all intents and purposes you are a hobbyist and not a gamer.
I bet with the hobbyist vs players number its based off flgs numbers so a flgs recordeds this many customer but only this member of regular attendees for games nights, which is obviously going to scew the numbers heavily
Any digital game I have is out of the way. Its easier for me to sit down and paint than to sit down and game. I used to have a gaming computer and a superate computer for work. It takes impulse out of the equation, when I wake up and drink a coffee I do so at my painting desk. It also helps to walk away from cyberpunk when it crashes every 20 min so ya there's that too.
WarIII was made before blizzard was destroyed from within, and I agree with the sentiment that it is the best RTS ever. I've tested it with ex-soviet scientits. (The scientists, didnt take me seriously, so i had to go for scientits.)
I decide what hobby to do based on when my free time comes up. I dobt like playing games during the day so if I get free time in the day I paint. If I get free time at night I play games. Easy.
We should do our own surveys about what % of people who buy GW are gamers across several channels audiences. Then we can compare raw numbers of GW gamers in the community to see if people are actually avoiding buying GW
hobbyist and gamer aren't mutually exclusive I think the article was saying that 80% of their clientele do paint and build models not that they don't play the game
It was because of this podcast I finally took the plunge on gloomhaven and bout jaws of the lion now I just need to kidnap some of my friends and force them to play it with me
S1 I loved underworlds, bought & paintedall 8 warbands. S2 I had 1/2 warbands, S3&4 haven't touched it. Rate of change was just too rapid for me and when S1 cards got excluded I realised it wasn't the game for me.
Title: 48 hrs iof Glorious Hobby Goodness
Vid length: 1:25
When will the lies end?!
I mean, I feel like there is a pretty simple method of balance Stop playing video games (or watching TV or movies or doing anything else), live like a hermit and you know...paint more minis. ;) -- Great show guys.
This is the way
@@Miniac This is the way.
Also, don't watch shows that makes you say This is the Way. 🤣
It is said that the more familiar you are with a face, the more you like it and now I am not sure how to feel about staring at Scott for so long.
Stare deep into my eyes and I'll stare into your beard
🤣
We need a Zumikito X Miniac Collab video pls
Then a Ninjon collab.
Then a TUP episode.
aw yeah.
@@gomezzara_creative yes please make it a two-parter. Part one: hobby related and part two: teach Scott how to grow facial hair.
I will attest to the fact that having a buddy who does the hobby well teach you in person does make the the process much more fun and builds the excitement of the hobby. Being able to ask questions as you're learning is much more beneficial than many videos. Videos are helpful for ideas and moving forward once you're decent yourself, but as a beginner, personal instruction is much better. For instance, you guys offer great info on paints, schemes, etc. but those who get to set with you and work through a project would have such a better learning experience.
I've only played a few games of Underworlds, and not at all since Covid, but GW does have a system for rotating out cards from the earlier "seasons." ("Seasons" are defined by the release of the new versions of the boxed set, such as Direchasm or Beastgrave.) I *think* the rule is you can only use cards from the current season and immediately previous season, in organized play, at least. In order to keep the earlier warbands viable, you probably can use the warband-specific cards for them, no matter how old they are.
Got an umm actually for you, guys! Animals like deer (and birds too) don't have reverse knees. What looks like their knee is actually their heel. The hoof isn't their foot, that's just their toe.
I use a Nix camera to color match house paint for repair. About the size of a twenty sided die. It just has its own white balance and flash, holds flat blocking out all other light to the surface, and references its image to hex code color library of popular paint manufacturers. In principle it could work for minis if it was a little smaller.
My only take away from this video was that Scott can still fit in tee shirts he's had since he was 10. 😁
About the WoW comments, you're definitely right. Painting every mini of an army over the course of a few years will form a deeper connection (partially due to them being physical of course). Yet seeing an achievement or a mount you've earned years later also brings back certain memories. Memories of people you knew back then, the hours spent face planting into a certain boss with friends, I think they too form a special memory in a way.(Not that you denied that they didn't).
Figureprints is/was licensed to print your WoW character... dunno if they are still around but it is literally what you were talking about weirdly.
I'm pretty sure I hear Louis Armstrong singing 'What a Wonderful World' in my head everytime I see a thumbnail for Trapped Under Plastic.❤️
Cool to hear your Underworlds experience. Don't listen to Jon, it's a great game. Deck building with the boxes you have with friends is arguably the best way to play. Pick a couple cards you definitely want and try to build to support those concepts, and just swap a card or two in and out through repeat plays and you'll have a cool experience.
Something I found that helped with balance was selecting days to work, and days to chillax. I paint Mon, Wed, Fri and Sat nights, but the other nights I chill with the wife and if she goes to bed early, I paint for myself, or play Blood Bowl 2 on the PC. lol. but, balance is extremely important.
*side note, you guys are goofballs, and I love it!
Is Jon camera shy this week ? I'm only on the Pre-Ramble but its like a voice from the wilderness
Sounds like Scott tripped over the cord and messed up the video feed
I suck at "more than 2-ish" hobbies. Also, Videogames ARE a hobby. So what I do is turn hobbies on and off. One month may be videogames. The next will be assembling models. Painting. Etc.
video games are a pasttime. not a hobby. usually a hobby you have an end result. least in my mind. its the eternal debate.
Jon's idea of the app is the basic color wheel where you pick your primary color and then it shows you what other colors work with it.
Starting my week off right 💕
@ninjon and @miniac FYI all the underworlds boxes all have their own AOS Warscrolls :)
I’m sure I’m not the first to say this since it’s so old but I JUST found the podcast. All I wanted to say is I love you guys so much and you brought me into a mini painting adjacent (painting and modding dollar stir toys cuz I’m broke) hobby. But I also wanted to point out that a loooong time ago Blizzard was selling 3D figures of PCs from WoW through WoW Armory. Idk if they do it anymore tho. lol.
I really enjoyed the break down and conversing about Underworld. It would be awesome if you guys did something like this where you play a few games of a game then break it down more often.
When I explain to my friends about video games vs painting minis, I always say "I can't show you my save file" . You can spend 100 of hours and you having nothing to show.
I think the panic moment you describe at 30.00 is something that more affects intermediate or just-out-of-beginner painters (at least for me) because you know just enough about colour theory to be overwhelmed by how much you (think you) could screw things up.
Hobby balance: You guys are doing hobbying as a business. For most of us, hobbies are for fun. So for most of us, do the thing that is fun right then with your hobby time. If that means that you don't do one of your hobbies for a day, or a week, or a month, or a year, why would that matter? When it seems like it would be fun again, do it again. You have no obligation to "balance" your various hobbies like you might "balance" your time between your wife and your mistress ... hypothetically. Once you start spending time on something out of obligation, it's a job, not a hobby. (And yes, a marriage is a job. 8-) )
For consistent paint-color sampling, try something like Color Muse. It has its own light and excludes all other lights when sampling, so the colors are consistent, it connects to your phone (Bluetooth), and it's tiny and easy to use. You do have to consider the substrate, but there's nothing preventing your taking multiple samples on different substrates.
This is a beautiful statement! Thank you!
This makes every other Monday worth the wait!! And since I found this pod cast a month ago I've jammed through all of em lol
My preferred hobby is playing board games. I got into painting simply to bring color to my grey-ass miniatures. My wife prefers relaxing on the couch, watching television. So, painting has become a compromise where I can paint in the living room, passively watching (more so listening) TV with my wife.
Good stuff. That 80% stat is quite interesting.
Also, all of the points you bring up about Underworlds are totally valid. A lot of Pros and Cons to that game.
i've never painted a miniature or plan to, but damn is this podcast entretaining. You guys are great!
Catching up on all your pods... Underworlds is still good fun.. The setup to make 2 balanced warbands face off is the biggest challenge.. Not playing competitively, its a real fun game when the 2 bands are evenly matched.
Jus wanna say i fkn love you dudes im subbed to miniac and ninjon and im binging these podcasts, and just in the few weeks ive been goin ham om my painting ive seen hella improvement so thanks dudes 🤘🤘🤘 love the content and yall crack me up
♥️♥️
Tom Scott has a good video on digitising colours: the pinkest pink. Due to screens using three colours to simulate real colours there’s always a difference between that and naturally occurring pigmenting.
Secondly the MMO Star Trek online has the option to 3D print your custom ships. Really expensive but people went nutso for it
I know that Jon says it was Roman that inspired him, but secretly, I think it was really Rybonator & Goobs.
Really enjoyed the gaming side of this episode.. I have never played a games workshop game so it was good to get your personal take on a new game you’ve played
I have about 5 -6 hobbies or skills , playing guitar , drawing , rc cars , painting , minature painting, working on cars . I do all this mostly during the day , I just do them for a few hrs at a time during the day , i have a child so i play with him and read to him a few hrs , then work lol it's just about time management.
Btw, if you thin down your contrast paints you can use them as glazes over large flat surfaces very effectively. I use 2 coats using s large clean wet brushes and the tiniest dot of contrast out of the pot on the tip of the brush. GLHF
I am knee-deep in Gloomhaven content. I created some custom classes (Frostborn + Rootwhisperer) and if you are interested, I can hook you guys up! Don't tease us anymore, paint a GH mini already! or make a conversion/alternative!
Pretty sure Blizzard had a statuette service years ago....probably around wrath of the lich king, to create your character as a statue with its name on etc
what a treat! feeling sorry for myself at work and i get a notification about this
I tend to schedule days for my hobbies. I only get about 3 days a month or so for miniature painting. On those three days it’s a solid 8 hours to do it and then life happens on the other days.
I've learned over the past 12~13 years that sometimes you just gotta take a break and do something else. Burnout happens even if you try to take a break. For me my biggest issue is getting the tools and materials I need to paint, lol.
The time sync seems to be off a bit. Not a big problem because I normally just listen but i'm trying to figure out if it is on my side or is it the video itself. Love what you guys are doing. This is really not a complaint. I will watch every episode :)
I've finished Cyberpunk 2077 after 65 hours. I've neglected other hobbies during that time, but not for the entire time. Last 20 hours I've started scheduling my time. 2 hours of hobby and 2 hours of gaming. It's hard to stick to limited play time, especially once you start mission that is highly engaging.
Love listing to John and Steve talk shop.
> video gaming isn’t a hobby
Them’s fightin’ words! Video gaming is absolutely a hobby.
Thanks for another great podcast fellas!
Im having an awesome time at work enjoying you two talkin
About the GW hobbyist/gamer stat.... Maybe they got it from the macrosurvey they did where they explicitly asked whether you had any interest in playing/building/painting and if you had done so in the past/recently?
Coming from a marketing research background their metric for player vs hobbyist likely comes from the ITC scene. Most companies like this base there numbers off of large sale events like that.
Took time to do the digging to the archived article they discuss at the end. The quote reads "[Games Workshop's mission statement] does not mention games. In conversation, I’m told that the word “Game” in Games Workshop encourages the misconception that games are its business, but that only about 20% of Games Workshop’s customers are gamers. The rest are modellers and collectors. Maybe half of them think about playing now and then. The other half have no intention. People actually walk into the stores because they’re curious about modelling fantastic armies."
The whole article is a fluffy opinion piece regarding if their stock is worth buying (shortly after the AoS release, while X-Wing was still the hotness and looking to flip the minis world upside down) and avoids saying much with specific numbers or how the data was gathered, unfortunately.
GW is like Coca-cola or Amazon. It may not be a good thing, but they sure as hell know how to give us what we want.
"Balance" is a wierd way to put it. I just do whatever takes my fancy in my free time.
Amen!
Just had a flashback to my childhood. We couldn’t have a pet growing up so me and my sisters caught a red back spider and fed it flies! We got in trouble when we tried bringing it to school to show our friends cause it was venomous...
Cyberpunk 2077 helped me realize I have time to paint. During this pandemic I've been working from home and every day has just become a groundhog day of not getting anything done.
I've played Cyberpunk 2077 for 128 hours since it's release on Dec 8 (3 weeks ago), apparently I can find time to actually do something apart from just staring into the void...
2021 I will focus on getting at least an hour of hobby time every day, but these last days of 2020 I'll focus on some more Cyberpunk 2077 ;)
Sometimes it works that way for me too. It feels weird because painting should be effortless like video games feel. It takes a little more energy to get into painting so maybe that's why it's harder to start it up
@@Miniac its strange though. If I paint for 8hrs straight when I'm done I feel pleased, tired but at peace. When I game for 8hrs straight I feel dirty as shit.
I think with most social games like Warhammer or D&D, Pathfinder, most people aren't players they want to play but can't find or don't put in the effort to play and so they get their fix from painting/collecting minis, reading/collecting books, building terrain, and watching videos on different aspects of said hobbies. It's easier to do the solo parts than the social aspect of these hobbies/games. And now with the crap way this last year has been, the social part is getting smaller and smaller.
Great show as always. That article you guys talked about at the end of the episode is interesting. 🤔 while I agree, I feel like I'm outside of the norm. I have played more games of AoS in the last 7 months than I ever played of other games like Magic the Gathering etc. Again awesome show guys.
Blizzard actually had a service where you could get your WoW character 3d printed. It was in the early days, and it was powder/sinter printing so it looked kinda grainy and dusty or whatever, and very expensive. I was very close to getting my mage in full T5 gear printed... but I figured it would be around and I could do it more towards when I was quitting the game, as a memento. Instead it disappeared.
Not sure if you guys know but Blizzard actually used to do a color 3D print character service and they discontinued it. Didn't end up being popular.
Great video! Love all the information!
It is not the greatest podcast in the world, it is just a tribute
as a Aussie i have a good laugh at the end Bit! and i can confirm i have to get rig of atleast 5 or so huntsmen spiders the size of my face out of my shower throughout the year
Nice Pa-Chow shirt, Jon.
As long as those spiders aren't lethal and carrying away small pets, Keep em! They eat bugs!
Is it just me or is the audio slightly desynced from the video?
I got that gaming vs miniatures problem too. In case of CP 2077 the problem kind of solved itself. I had a slipping accident while dog walking and ruptured a tendon in my foot and injured my hand. Using a mouse is ok but no paint handle holding since the beginning of december.
Great video guys! 👍🦞
I have programming experience and if you wanna make an app like that, it's totally possible.
I think I have the solution to your paint matching issues for your million dollar app. I used to do screen printing and we used what is called the Pantone matching system, or PMS for short. There is a digital version of this as well as a paper version. I think it would be pretty easy to match physical paint from any mini paint manufacturer with the physical Pantone book which would correspond with the digital version assigned to that color. Of course there would be slight variations depending on the settings of the users device , but I believe it would all work out very well. You're welcome. Let me know when you need an address send out my royalty checks.😘 great show by the way.
Hey guys love your stuff as always, just got a couple of notes.
One, I love the gaming talk recently. Please talk about games more! That being said with the amount of poop talk I've listened to you guys talk about I can probably just enjoy you two talking about anything.
I think you guys came at the gw discussion a bit wrong. GW said that 80% of their customers were hobbyists but this didn't exclude them from playing the games also. The GW statement just means that 80% of their customers value the assembling, converting and painting process and to remove that would be reducing the value of their products to those customers.
Also I'm not sure we really need to yell "gayyyyyy" after a homoerotic joke anymore. I don't think there's anything wrong with the jokes themselves but yelling gay is a bit demeaning.
Love your stuff!
can we please go back to poop for the preamble.... please god???
"GW is a company that sells models, not a company that makes games" - Tom and Ben
Scott painted Flamingos! 🤣
Amazing intro, funny as F&&k! love this podcast! 😂😂👌
I always put building and painting on the back burner, when I have something to play. It’s a problem. Right now it’s FFXIV and Cyberpunk 2077. I do build minis when I’m waiting for queues, in FFXIV, but it’s not enough to get anywhere substantial. The only time I get a huge amount of work done is when I burn out on games. The last year has been a resurgence for gaming, so miniatures have faded into the background.
I guess gaming is more of my hobby, at the moment and everything else is secondary.
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GW would only have the statistic of who plays in official tournaments/events, I would guess. But it's weird to not have noted that as part of the %.
I've come for the Preamble Poop Ramble and must witness out of sync audio. But I don't care because you're my fav podcast and I got a glass of wine. Or two.
I love GLOOMHEAVEN!
Maybe I can answer on how GW can calculate the percentage of players and painters.
I don't remember the exact month, but in 2019 they did a survey on their website asking how much you spend per month on GW products, how much you play on average each month and how many hours you spend painting each week.
Step One: Buy a deck in a box.
Step Two: Put your deck in that box...
As for the 80% hobby 20% game may have been miss quoted. May be the figures for this year. With the 20% being tournament player due to covid.
I wish I could be as totally lame as you two while simultaneously being the coolest two dudes in the game.
Scott has the softest cheeks, he should model for andrex
Gaffer tape, Merry Christmas.
Re. Hobbyists vs Players metric: Maybe how many models sold vs how many books/codecs sold?
GW marketing department for sure has a good grasp of it's customerbase.
Just ask 1000 customers how much they play and analyze what they buy and you have a ratio of miniatures to rules sales for gamers and non gamers (and everything in between).
Sure, they don't know if you're surreptitiously playing in yours basement, but if you've not bought a codex in the last 2 years (like for example 80% of their customers) for all intents and purposes you are a hobbyist and not a gamer.
I bet with the hobbyist vs players number its based off flgs numbers
so a flgs recordeds this many customer but only this member of regular attendees for games nights, which is obviously going to scew the numbers heavily
Guys, PLEASE make this color scheme app!!!!
Blizzard sells wow character statues. Or at least they used to. I have my dude immortalized in a 3d printed model on my shelf.
Any digital game I have is out of the way. Its easier for me to sit down and paint than to sit down and game. I used to have a gaming computer and a superate computer for work. It takes impulse out of the equation, when I wake up and drink a coffee I do so at my painting desk. It also helps to walk away from cyberpunk when it crashes every 20 min so ya there's that too.
WarIII was made before blizzard was destroyed from within, and I agree with the sentiment that it is the best RTS ever. I've tested it with ex-soviet scientits. (The scientists, didnt take me seriously, so i had to go for scientits.)
The terrible camera work for the first half hour, plus de-synched audio, are really just crushing this episode. Gotta love the tendie talk, tho.
What do you mean by terrible camera work? It's a stationary, single camera. It's never not terrible in my opinion.
@@Miniac It was just focused on you entirely for the first half hour, that's all.
@@beefy256 oh, didn't know! I think I know why that error happened so I'll get it sorted in the future
Did a camera die acter the first shot?
I decide what hobby to do based on when my free time comes up. I dobt like playing games during the day so if I get free time in the day I paint. If I get free time at night I play games. Easy.
I’ve been too busy with minis to play 2077 much
We should do our own surveys about what % of people who buy GW are gamers across several channels audiences. Then we can compare raw numbers of GW gamers in the community to see if people are actually avoiding buying GW
Side note.. You can get a 3d print of your wow character...
hobbyist and gamer aren't mutually exclusive I think the article was saying that 80% of their clientele do paint and build models not that they don't play the game
It was because of this podcast I finally took the plunge on gloomhaven and bout jaws of the lion now I just need to kidnap some of my friends and force them to play it with me
S1 I loved underworlds, bought & paintedall 8 warbands. S2 I had 1/2 warbands, S3&4 haven't touched it. Rate of change was just too rapid for me and when S1 cards got excluded I realised it wasn't the game for me.
Depends if your hobbies are monetized or not. Would you feel the same if your time playing Cyberpunk also got you money and clout?
you need to google wood elf wardancers to understand where the hairstyles of kurnothi come from
That's a fair point, I forgot about the ancient ones